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Speaker 2: Does the name Jack Carlson mean anything to you, Well,
Speaker 2: let me try to jog your memory with a photo
Speaker 2: of Jack.
Speaker 1: This was only taken this year.
Speaker 2: Now, if Jack doesn't automatically come to mind, perhaps you've
Speaker 2: seen a representation of his most prominent moment when he
Speaker 2: was arrested in Queensland decades ago.
Speaker 1: You may have send the.
Speaker 2: T shirts about Democracy manifest Well, it all comes to
Speaker 2: this moment of television news footage from way back when
Speaker 2: when Australia was a lot more fun and Queensland was
Speaker 2: frankly a lot more fun too. Now, Jack was a
Speaker 2: man who has had some alleged petty crimes that he
Speaker 2: had committed in his life. Well, the story is that
Speaker 2: the man behind the footage you've just seen Jack passed away.
Speaker 2: In the past couple of days, the internet has gone
Speaker 2: wild because it's an opportunity to relive this moment of
Speaker 2: which I'm talking about. Now, if all of this is
Speaker 2: a bit of a garbled mystery to you, then let
Speaker 2: me educate you about why the passing of Jack Carlson
Speaker 2: is something that is popping up on many of your
Speaker 2: social media feeds. He was eating a Chinese meal when
Speaker 2: police went into the Chinese restaurant in Brisbane in the
Speaker 2: Fortitude Valley. He was then put in the back of
Speaker 2: a car. What happens between the restaurant and being put
Speaker 2: in the back of the car is a bloke who
Speaker 2: was laying it on with a trail quite theatrical and
Speaker 2: hamming it up from the cameras, and the footage, once
Speaker 2: resurfaced about fifteen years ago, became an Internet sensation.
Speaker 1: Behold Australia as it used to be.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.
Speaker 1: Have a look at the headlock. See that chap over
Speaker 1: the head. This is the bok who got me on
Speaker 1: the penis before.
Speaker 2: See why people like this and they watched it over
Speaker 2: and over and over millions of times, both.
Speaker 1: Here and around the world.
Speaker 2: Now the next bit is what he became equally famous for,
Speaker 2: which was not just conversation about democracy manifest like I'm
Speaker 2: sort of over the top any community theater performer. But
Speaker 2: it was the next bit about the Chinese meal that
Speaker 2: also sticks with people to this day.
Speaker 3: Well, what the reason? What is the charge eating a meal?
Speaker 3: A succulent Chinese meal. Oh that's nice. Headlocks up, Yes,
Speaker 3: I see that.
Speaker 1: You know your judo.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I know there are more serious things, and
Speaker 2: there was that this was nothing to do with the
Speaker 2: serious crime. In fact, the belief was that he was
Speaker 2: actually falsely arrested. But he's made an awful lot of
Speaker 2: attention out of all of this. Again, now he hasn't
Speaker 2: made any of the money, or he didn't make any
Speaker 2: of the money about all of the noise around him.
Speaker 2: But of course I think he kind of enjoyed the
Speaker 2: hamming up.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Channel seven and the reporter Chris Reason, Yes, that famous
Speaker 2: one of Lindt Cafe siege fame. Well, he used to
Speaker 2: be a reporter in Brisbane when he was a junior reporter.
Speaker 2: He was the one who reported on this story. So
Speaker 2: decades later, earlier this year, as Jack was pretty cooked
Speaker 2: with cancer, they all got together. I'm talking about the police,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Jack and the reporter where the record
Speaker 2: was set straight about this somewhat famous internet video.
Speaker 1: So you accuse me of grabbing him by the penis,
Speaker 1: and I said, I didn't grab you by the He
Speaker 1: said no, I just made that up.
Speaker 2: A bit of fun to start tonight's program. Jack Carson
Speaker 2: sadly passing away. But the video that will live Forever
Speaker 2: reminds us of a different time where I don't know
Speaker 2: what was going on apart from the arrest, but the
Speaker 2: arrest itself was hammy and will live forever. Enjoy a
Speaker 2: succulent Chinese meal. Now still in Queensland, but something way
Speaker 2: more serious. As we know, the union movement is very
Speaker 2: powerful all around the country when it comes to its
Speaker 2: control over.
Speaker 1: The Labor Party.
Speaker 2: It is particularly the case in Queensland now, so much
Speaker 2: so that May Day May the First, which of course
Speaker 2: is all about the eight hour working week and basically
Speaker 2: sort of a union based public holiday, is one that
Speaker 2: is still marked in Queensland when it is not marked
Speaker 2: in other parts of the country. The then Prime Minister
Speaker 2: and then Premier marching in the lead up to the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two election, showing without fear that they were,
Speaker 2: as they say, union strong. But there is one union
Speaker 2: in particular that has an awful lot of power in Queensland.
Speaker 2: It is called the United Workers' Union. Its boss is
Speaker 2: a man called Gary Bullock. Now, this faction of inside
Speaker 2: the Labor Party is wildly strong, as the Financial Review
Speaker 2: said when it did a profile of this man, connected
Speaker 2: to the union power and connected to so many MPs
Speaker 2: en ornament, you peril the man who runs Queensland. An
Speaker 2: actual fact, for way longer than she should have been premier.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why Anastasia Paliche held on of
Speaker 2: the job was because she was kept in power by
Speaker 2: the very union boss who I'm talking about tonight. Of
Speaker 2: course she is no longer the premier because the union
Speaker 2: saw what was coming, which was an almost inevitable loss
Speaker 2: under her, so they rolled the dice unto what now
Speaker 2: seems yet again an inevitable loss under Giggles Miles. So
Speaker 2: that's the union, that's its connection to the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: and the person in charge of the union is a
Speaker 2: singularly important figure in Queensland politics. So there was a
Speaker 2: very interesting that dropped today surrounding the building that the
Speaker 2: union is in now. According to the Australian newspaper, they
Speaker 2: had an exclusive story this morning was that Gary Bullocks
Speaker 2: United Workers Union secretly recorded conversations in its Brisbane offices.
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of detail but not specificity here.
Speaker 2: They are a union with deep, deep pockets and no
Speaker 2: doubt its boss would be more than willing to take
Speaker 2: a swipe at people like Sky News. So I am
Speaker 2: not suggesting anything other than what has been in the
Speaker 2: press today. But it's going to be a sticky story
Speaker 2: because the union is so powerful and many of the
Speaker 2: MPs come in and out of the offices because they
Speaker 2: want to, for want of a term, politically speaking, kiss
Speaker 2: the ring well, the United Workers Union was recording conversations
Speaker 2: twenty four hours a day throughout a network of closed
Speaker 2: circuit television cameras installed inside and outside of its Peel
Speaker 2: Street Brisbane office in South Bank. The story continues, headed
Speaker 2: by mister Bullock, a member of the ALP National Executive.
Speaker 2: The union has claimed it was an error by contractors
Speaker 2: that led to an upgrade of CCTV devices to include
Speaker 2: recording audio as well as video. The officers of the
Speaker 2: powerful union, which includes mister Miles and several cabinet ministers
Speaker 2: as its members, has been the purported location of high
Speaker 2: level political discussions with government ministers, labour MPs and other
Speaker 2: unions over the years of the nineteen member cabinet in Queensland.
Speaker 2: Twelve twelve ministers belong to mister Bullock's left or are
Speaker 2: card carrying members of that YOUWU. So the idea of
Speaker 2: conversations being recorded inside and outside of the office, well,
Speaker 2: it has some interesting potential implications here, but I need
Speaker 2: to be very clear, says nobody has ever listened to
Speaker 2: any of the tapes via the couriermal today.
Speaker 1: According to the union, the error in its.
Speaker 2: CCTV devices recorded both audio and video, stem from a
Speaker 2: contractor's upgrade of its system, and the issue has since
Speaker 2: been rectified. In a statement, mister Bullock revealed that the
Speaker 2: union had installed cameras through the office for many years
Speaker 2: to ensure the safety of staff. None of those cameras
Speaker 2: had audio capacity until they replaced twelve to eighteen months ago.
Speaker 2: Now all of this is in relation to a workplace
Speaker 2: dispute about somebody who used to work at the union.
Speaker 2: The union is doing everything it can to avoid what
Speaker 2: tapes they may or may not have being handed over
Speaker 2: to the court.
Speaker 1: If they ever do, we will most certainly tell you
Speaker 1: what is on.
Speaker 2: Them something else that you may will or not heard.
Speaker 2: Thus far this evening was the Yes campaign, as we
Speaker 2: remember last year in the referendum, well first under the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's tutel edge, it went from sixty percent Yes
Speaker 2: to sixty percent No.
Speaker 1: But you know he's a political genius.
Speaker 2: But also we know that the money was will and
Speaker 2: truly on the side of the team that ended up
Speaker 2: getting forty percent of the vote, as The Guardian ended
Speaker 2: up reporting Yes campaign groups received more than five times
Speaker 2: as much in donations as the NOD side in the
Speaker 2: Voice referendum. So ultimately, of course, money did not matter.
Speaker 2: People powermattered, and people made up their own mind no
Speaker 2: matter what the ads told them or what type of
Speaker 2: ad was before them. Now at the time, the erstwhile
Speaker 2: fact checkers that are happy to pounce upon what they
Speaker 2: believed to be misinformation at any one time, well, they
Speaker 2: of course, very proudly and loudly screamed that no, the
Speaker 2: federal governanent is not bankrolling the Yes campaign, and that's true.
Speaker 2: But there's something on the edges here that is obviously
Speaker 2: not of the Federal government's knowledge, not of the Minister,
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister or anyone in the federal government's knowledge.
Speaker 2: But it does seem like payer funds found their way
Speaker 2: to the Yes campaign. For this, we turned to Tasmania
Speaker 2: and a report which came today from the Order to
Speaker 2: General in Tasmania. Now the Order to General, who has
Speaker 2: just been recently appointed to a ten year term, is
Speaker 2: of course somebody who goes back and is essentially independent
Speaker 2: of government and is like an umpire reporting back on
Speaker 2: what they do or don't do. The report, which was
Speaker 2: published today was into a thing called the Tasmanian Community Fund.
Speaker 2: As the ABC reports today, the Tasmanian Community Fund gave
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars grant of public
Speaker 2: funds i e. Taxpayer funds which were meant to be
Speaker 2: spent by the Tasmanian Community Fund on the business of
Speaker 2: the Tasmanian Community Fund. Instead, somebody decided in there to
Speaker 2: send more than half a million dollars of taxpayer money
Speaker 2: off to the people essentially running the Yes campaign. An
Speaker 2: organization that campaigned for the Yes vote in the UN
Speaker 2: referendum received a five hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars
Speaker 2: publicly funded grant, but the process lacked documentation and was flawed.
Speaker 2: According to the report released today, the board of the
Speaker 2: Tasmanian Community Fund agreed to give the grant to the
Speaker 2: Australians for Indigenous Constitutional Recognition in June of last year.
Speaker 2: During the campaign, the report found that they used the
Speaker 2: money one hundred and twenty thousand dollars of it for
Speaker 2: a national cross media campaign including television advertisements, social media posts, opinion.
Speaker 1: Pieces why did they have to be paid for? But anyway?
Speaker 1: And media releases.
Speaker 2: And for the fifty one thousand dollars of the more
Speaker 2: than half a million dollars in taxpayer money that was
Speaker 2: meant to be for businesses sorry for their activities in
Speaker 2: and around Tasmania, of course goes off to the national
Speaker 2: Yes effort. It also found that the grant was used
Speaker 2: for information about the referendum, including workshops and promotional material
Speaker 2: in libraries, while one hundred thousand dollars of the five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars was unused. Now in their defense, the
Speaker 2: Community organization says, we weren't given due process in this
Speaker 2: Auditor General's report. We have a defense fall of this,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't entered into buy the Auditor General.
Speaker 1: But What a fascinating little side note.
Speaker 2: What was it about the Tasmanian Order, A general who
Speaker 2: decided I'm going to go and find where this group
Speaker 2: spent its money. Where the complaint, of course, came from
Speaker 2: somebody who was supporting the no campaign. It's a Liberal
Speaker 2: Party senator from Tasmania. Now I assume, and we have
Speaker 2: to assume, because we think the best of people, that this.
Speaker 1: Is the worst of it.
Speaker 2: The potentially half a billion dollar, half a billion, half
Speaker 2: a million dollars of taxpayer money that was supposed to
Speaker 2: go for something else was rerouted to one side of
Speaker 2: a referendum that the fact checkers say, of course was
Speaker 2: not being publicly supported with taxpayer funds. Well, of course
Speaker 2: it wasn't happening officially. But is anyone anywhere are going
Speaker 2: to ask the question about did this happen anywhere else?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but so often in this country, of course,
Speaker 2: something happens as long as nobody sees it while it's happening,
Speaker 2: then of course there is no interest in looking into
Speaker 2: what really happened. For example, federal government absolute lack of
Speaker 2: interest at a proper COVID inquiry, a Royal commission to
Speaker 2: guarantee to make sure that the failures of the states
Speaker 2: would be exposed, not just the political blame game of
Speaker 2: the former federal government, which of course is what they're
Speaker 2: currently looking into. A royal commission that would ensure that
Speaker 2: the absolute policy of this country is yet, don't cancel
Speaker 2: school days unless there is literally something like a natural
Speaker 2: disaster that is bearing down on the school, to make
Speaker 2: sure that people don't die alone. But of course, because
Speaker 2: there is very little accountability these days, the people who
Speaker 2: made all of those terrible decisions, like Dennie Andrews, get
Speaker 2: to walk off and get a little gold medal. No
Speaker 2: further questions, pension forever. Well, is anyone else going to
Speaker 2: have a look at other community groups? Is anyone else
Speaker 2: going to, like a fine tooth going go back through
Speaker 2: the Australian Electoral Commission declarations about where the money came from?
Speaker 2: Because I hope this is the one and single example.
Speaker 1: But it's a pretty big one.
Speaker 2: Meantime, greatest Prime Minister of all time in his mates,
Speaker 2: they have a new way of being able, of course,
Speaker 2: to dismiss any argument that exposes the flaw in their argument.
Speaker 1: Misinformation misinformation, misinformation.
Speaker 4: The misinformation which is there so misinformation.
Speaker 2: So much so that they of course seek to censor
Speaker 2: the Internet by finding social media companies literally millions of
Speaker 2: dollars if they don't take down the misinformation. Misinformation will
Speaker 2: of course be defined by bureaucrats that will be informed
Speaker 2: by left wing fact checkers. Well, as we told you
Speaker 2: last night, the Prime Minister was involved in a little
Speaker 2: bit of misinformation still up by the way on his
Speaker 2: social media account, so therefore technically that social media account
Speaker 2: would be on the wrong side of his potential misinformation laws.
Speaker 2: Was this compilation CD that's meant to represent the one
Speaker 2: that teenagers listened to in the late nineties early two
Speaker 2: thousand's called so Fresh, with a list of compilations about
Speaker 2: how they're helping when it comes to cost of living,
Speaker 2: because you see, they're so helpful. Well, as you may
Speaker 2: will have heard by now that thankfully that misinformation has
Speaker 2: been dubbed in and according to skytes dot com that
Speaker 2: I used today, they were able to work out that
Speaker 2: the social media companies have now started to put some
Speaker 2: asterisks underneath what was meant to be just a playful
Speaker 2: little joke where many of the things are listed as
Speaker 2: being so helpful in twenty twenty four, don't actually kick
Speaker 2: in until sometimes twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, and
Speaker 2: then of course not even until later parts of twenty
Speaker 2: and twenty four. Nothing to see here, right. Incidentally, as well,
Speaker 2: we learned today that you know how we're paying three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars off the power bills of every household in
Speaker 2: the country. All of that business, well, that system hasn't
Speaker 2: even started yet.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course that was the first of July. That was
Speaker 2: all supposed to happen. It is now the start of August.
Speaker 2: It hasn't happened. Why because apparently a couple of state
Speaker 2: governments have not already signed off on the project. So
Speaker 2: presumably it keeps being extended, that the twelve months starts
Speaker 2: from the moment it begins, or they just aren't going
Speaker 2: to spend last months. But of course no one would
Speaker 2: be interested in any of that, because it's all Peter Dutton.
Speaker 2: That's the problem, the problem, the problem. But as we
Speaker 2: have shown you using the data, and yes, putting a
Speaker 2: very strong opinion on top of the data after we
Speaker 2: show you, but the data is clear that regardless of
Speaker 2: whether it is left right or center opinion polling in
Speaker 2: this country is very clear. More people disapprove of the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's job and the job that he is doing
Speaker 2: than people whom approve. Newspole essential of all of them
Speaker 2: are in negative territory, meaning the number of people that
Speaker 2: disapprove is higher than the number of people who approve.
Speaker 2: So the crisis flare has gone up from the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's communications office in the same way that they were
Speaker 2: preparing to disseminate information that their dirt unit on Peter Dutton. Well,
Speaker 2: the message has gone out we're in a little bit
Speaker 2: of trouble here. So plenty of people, particularly the Channel
Speaker 2: nine newspapers are offering free advice about how the government
Speaker 2: can save itself from itself, like as we showed you
Speaker 2: last week. N asked Nicky Sava, who was out there
Speaker 2: saying that despite all of the achievements of rate rise
Speaker 2: would almost bury Albanezy. Well, as we know that we
Speaker 2: know rate cut until at least six months, and the
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank still says today that they are more likely
Speaker 2: to go up.
Speaker 1: Than come down.
Speaker 2: Meantime, the same organization this time says if this government
Speaker 2: is forgettable, the one thing that they're canning on you
Speaker 2: is to remember the last one.
Speaker 1: We mentioned this a little.
Speaker 2: While ago, and then there is today, complete with the
Speaker 2: image of a prime minister who is very close to
Speaker 2: being underwater. Now he's already underwater in their own polling.
Speaker 2: He is underwater. What that means is that your disapproval
Speaker 2: rating is higher than your approval rating. But we couldn't
Speaker 2: dare show him underwater with just his hands above because
Speaker 2: that would denote panic. Well again, one of the friendly
Speaker 2: faces and friendly voices are offering some free advice about
Speaker 2: how the Prime minister can save the.
Speaker 1: Government from itself.
Speaker 2: Anthony Aberaneesi has finally woken up to the reality that
Speaker 2: it needs to change and fast.
Speaker 1: Now I don't see any evidence of this.
Speaker 2: Literally today he was gas lighting and lying about spending
Speaker 2: and inflation on these very ways. What under Peter Stefanovic
Speaker 2: for not letting him do so this morning. But let's
Speaker 2: get back to what apparently is the changed prime Minister,
Speaker 2: which will miraculously be more approved of than currently disapproved
Speaker 2: of as Prime Minister, Albanezi has been on the endangered
Speaker 2: list for a while. Now it was this interesting, they
Speaker 2: would all have told you there's nothing to see here,
Speaker 2: kind of like the same logic of a media who
Speaker 2: told you that Albo's completely okay, Harris is completely rock
Speaker 2: solid mentally and knows what she's talking about. And her
Speaker 2: new vice president, of course, isn't a lunatic. You know,
Speaker 2: all of these people, they just they would never lie
Speaker 2: to you for the narrative, would they. As the Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: Albernizi has been on the endangered list for a while,
Speaker 2: the reasons can be outlined bristly.
Speaker 1: Now. Of course, all of these are the things that
Speaker 1: we've been talking about all the way through.
Speaker 2: But of course that's all nasty conspiracy theories, untruths spoken
Speaker 2: on the airwaves of Sky News in primetime. But guess
Speaker 2: what they're facts. The Long Voice referendum campaign left an
Speaker 2: increasing number of voters disillusioned with Alberuzi and his government. Now,
Speaker 2: so disillusion of course, he's trying to pretend that that's
Speaker 2: of the left, that it's the left wingers who were
Speaker 2: upset because it didn't happen, But of course it was
Speaker 2: sixty forty rejection of the prime minister's position. So disillusion
Speaker 2: does not mean what I think this bloke thinks it means.
Speaker 2: He also says here that he seemed to be removed
Speaker 2: from the chief concern about cost of living.
Speaker 1: Jeez, who's the bloke who's banged on about cost.
Speaker 2: Of living every night since this bloke became Prime minister.
Speaker 1: Every night.
Speaker 2: Who held them to account on their first budget, their
Speaker 2: second budget, their mini budget. Who told you about the
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars they took off you at the height.
Speaker 1: Of the cost of living situation.
Speaker 2: Who called the two little too late tax cuts exactly
Speaker 2: what they are and that they would have no political consequences.
Speaker 1: Well, the other guy continues.
Speaker 2: In the past two weeks, Albanezi has taken a few
Speaker 2: small steps aimed at saving the government's skin.
Speaker 1: The Republic portfolio was ditched. Oh, that's going to save him.
Speaker 2: He's also signaled in the wake of the Voice defeat
Speaker 2: that he's pushed off consideration of big ticket action on
Speaker 2: reconciliation with First Nations people into the future.
Speaker 1: Now I get it.
Speaker 2: Those that are easily pleased think that the Australian public
Speaker 2: will even notice those things as it was, as it
Speaker 2: will be. Cost of living and the economy is at
Speaker 2: the absolute heart of Australian politics. It is boring for
Speaker 2: people in the press gallery to talk about because for them,
Speaker 2: while they live in the real world. Of course, like
Speaker 2: everyone else, it's not as interesting as the internal palace intrigue.
Speaker 2: It's not as much fun as dredging up former Liberal
Speaker 2: leaders to hang dirt on Peter Dutton. But of course
Speaker 2: the reality is that cost.
Speaker 1: Of living is the number one concern for Australians.
Speaker 2: Things have got demonstrably worse than when this mob promised
Speaker 2: it would get better. And while the teals not moving
Speaker 2: and no data proving it shows that the change of
Speaker 2: government is unlikely.
Speaker 1: If the Prime.
Speaker 2: Minister continues to have a greater disapproval than approval rating,
Speaker 2: if the polls keep telling us that more than half
Speaker 2: of the country things that we're headed in the wrong direction,
Speaker 2: who knows what's going to happen at this next election,
Speaker 2: no matter how much free advice they get from their
Speaker 2: own cheer squads. Now, the reality of life since September
Speaker 2: eleventh in particular, and then the Barling bombings not too
Speaker 2: long after, is that whenever you're in a crowd, you
Speaker 2: know there's a lot more security than there used to
Speaker 2: be before both of those events. There's also a little
Speaker 2: fear that some people have from time to time when
Speaker 2: they are in these big crowds about what might happen.
Speaker 2: It's something terrible going to take place here and a
Speaker 2: lot of people are going to get hurt. Now, thankfully
Speaker 2: this has not happened. That, of course, had happened a
Speaker 2: few years ago, I think twenty seventeen at an Arianda
Speaker 2: Grande concert in Manchester in England. But as you know,
Speaker 2: the Taylor Swift phenomena is one that if there's not
Speaker 2: a young person in your life, you may not be
Speaker 2: completely across, but you may well, of course know that
Speaker 2: you was the Time Woman of the Year in part
Speaker 2: because of con her place in the culture, which of
Speaker 2: course is sky high where people of all ages, all sexes,
Speaker 2: all genders, all the rest of it all races that
Speaker 2: Lava absolutely LoVa well.
Speaker 1: She's currently touring around in Europe.
Speaker 2: She was in Austria and amazingly her concerts which are
Speaker 2: just as anticipated in Austria as they were in Australia,
Speaker 2: just as loved as she is in America. There are
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of little girls, their moms and their
Speaker 2: mates who weren't able to go to those concerts in
Speaker 2: the past few days because Islamic State was planning to
Speaker 2: kill people at those events. He's a bit more information
Speaker 2: coming to us from the United States, specifically CBS.
Speaker 6: Police say two suspects who radicalize themselves on the internet
Speaker 6: are now in custody. One of them swore allegiance to
Speaker 6: Isis then carried out concrete preparatory acts for a terrorist attack.
Speaker 6: The bomb squad was called after police saidie found the
Speaker 6: suspects in possession of chemical substances. A catastrophe averted that
Speaker 6: all three concerts had been canceled as a precaution.
Speaker 1: Frightening, absolutely frightening.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, we should never let the terrorist wings,
Speaker 2: which means we don't just recede from the public. But
Speaker 2: it is yet again a reminder to us about how
Speaker 2: the police have to get it right one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of the time. Thankfully they did in this case. But
Speaker 2: when officials tell us that there is a raised terror thread,
Speaker 2: there must be something behind it. We must heed when
Speaker 2: they say it. And also the vigilance that has frankly
Speaker 2: slipped away in the past twenty years or so needs
Speaker 2: to come back. Your awareness of the space around you
Speaker 2: will help save the lives of people around you. Always
Speaker 2: keep an eye not just for the shifty person, but
Speaker 2: for the bag that's been left by itself, the door
Speaker 2: that's open that shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Be, all of those things. Remain vigilant.
Speaker 2: Take care of yourself because the people whose job it
Speaker 2: is full time to take care of us will they
Speaker 2: do an incredible job and they get it right so often,
Speaker 2: so well, Dounder all of the police. But what a
Speaker 2: reminder about what we take for granted that we should
Speaker 2: never take for granted, which of course is our own safety. Now,
Speaker 2: as the Olympics wrap up and many more people will
Speaker 2: join us back here each and every night, Remember we'll
Speaker 2: be here Sunday night to Thursday, same bat time and
Speaker 2: same bat channel. Videos are still doing pretty well. It's
Speaker 2: goings dot com dot au. Australia has had an incredible
Speaker 2: Olympic Games. As you know, it's the best we've ever done.
Speaker 2: It's incredible that every night there's not just one, but
Speaker 2: probably a couple of medals that have won. At any time,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what type of sport it is, there's
Speaker 2: always this incredible little story that comes out of somewhere.
Speaker 2: And I've got to say, I know I might well
Speaker 2: be speaking just a little bit too soon, but hasn't
Speaker 2: it been amazing for the best part of two weeks
Speaker 2: to see people wrapped in the Australian flag and not one,
Speaker 2: not one hot take anywhere about Jess. I wish there
Speaker 2: was a different flow that were holding up just pride,
Speaker 2: pride in their country, pride in their national flag, the
Speaker 2: use of the national flag as the thing that represents
Speaker 2: your country with the loved it, loved watching that, and
Speaker 2: like everyone else, I've also loved watching sort of some
Speaker 2: of the kookier sports. Of course, gold medals have come
Speaker 2: from things like BMX Australian gold medals, not yet from
Speaker 2: things like speed climbing, but if you ever get the
Speaker 2: chance to have a look at that, wow, Literally they
Speaker 2: climb up a wall and they do so within less
Speaker 2: than five seconds. But then there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: other sports which have been new to the Olympic games
Speaker 2: like golf for three on three basketball or of course
Speaker 2: full normal basketball and football has been.
Speaker 1: In the Olympics for a while.
Speaker 2: But I've got to say, while people are searching for
Speaker 2: their hot takes, and again I might have spoken too
Speaker 2: soon about how while it's been an incredible games, wouldn't
Speaker 2: it have been a better grames if they weren't green
Speaker 2: and gold, and they weren't looking at the evil Australian
Speaker 2: flat in all that crap. I've got to say this
Speaker 2: a bit of a DeBie down trying to find a
Speaker 2: way to say something about the Games that was negative
Speaker 2: when for obvious reasons, lots of people watch, lots of
Speaker 2: people are interested in. We're loving the idea of how
Speaker 2: much pride we all get from this little moment. It's
Speaker 2: nice to have a collective experience. It's not about politics
Speaker 2: and identity and all the rest of it. It's just
Speaker 2: about yeay, cool, go Australia. Well, save the games for
Speaker 2: the sports whose zenith is the Olympics. Was an opinion
Speaker 2: piece which popped up in the past couple of days.
Speaker 1: What simply this person thinks there's too many.
Speaker 2: Sports at the Olympic Games and things like tennis and
Speaker 2: golf and even football should not be part of the
Speaker 2: Olympic Games. Why because they've got their own global tournaments
Speaker 2: that are massive. Tennis players dream of winning a Grand Slam,
Speaker 2: golfers dream of winning a green jacket, not a gold medal.
Speaker 2: Cricketing nations, it's the ashes for everyone else, of course,
Speaker 2: it's the fief of football World Cup by that men's
Speaker 2: or women's.
Speaker 1: Isn't that what the Olympics are all about. He goes
Speaker 1: on to say that.
Speaker 2: Singular determination of striving for gold paying off on the
Speaker 2: world stage, that's the stuff.
Speaker 1: That dreams is made of. No no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why this hot takes wrong because so
Speaker 2: often golfers, footballers, lots of people, like tennis players, they
Speaker 2: represent themselves. Yes, technically they're from a certain country, but
Speaker 2: they represent themselves.
Speaker 1: Anyone needs to.
Speaker 2: See the reaction of Novak Djokovic to his gold medal
Speaker 2: where he was able to win one for his country
Speaker 2: to be no different in terms of the hierarchy of
Speaker 2: athletes representing their country than everyone else in judo or swimming, and.
Speaker 1: It's nice to be on that level.
Speaker 2: Well, the professional athlete is able to go back in
Speaker 2: five star treatment and not have to sleep on the
Speaker 2: cardboard beds, all of that business.
Speaker 1: So the Olympics are fine as they are. I love
Speaker 1: when they add sports.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if eventually sports like boxing slowly
Speaker 2: disappear for absolutely non controversial reasons, which may well play
Speaker 2: it in the next few days in the medal tally,
Speaker 2: but by the time we get to Brisbane twenty thirty two.
Speaker 2: I've got to say these two weeks slightly change my
Speaker 2: attitude towards the ex excitement of what may be lying ahead.
Speaker 2: More sports, not less, more chances at gold, more chances
Speaker 2: of representation, and more opportunities for people to wear their
Speaker 2: national flag and be at one with their teammates as
Speaker 2: well as their country plays. When it comes to the
Speaker 2: American political system, A couple of very good friends sent
Speaker 2: me a message after watching the show over the past
Speaker 2: couple of days, saying, hey, well, what are you going about.
Speaker 2: Trump's still winning? Let me explain why they turned around.
Speaker 2: They explained why, and now I'd like to explain.
Speaker 1: To you now, as we know, the current media narrative.
Speaker 2: Is Kamala Harris through the roof every pole going her way,
Speaker 2: many of those national poles.
Speaker 1: You know how irrelevant those are.
Speaker 2: Oh, this new vice presidential pick, he's going to scare everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's all falling apart.
Speaker 2: In fact, that's the narrative, which, surprise, surprise, the same
Speaker 2: people who said nothing to see here on so many
Speaker 2: other issues and now telling.
Speaker 1: You look, look, look, look, look look.
Speaker 2: But of course they're not even answering questions about what
Speaker 2: the hell would they do if they won.
Speaker 5: Trump is getting his unsettled by this change in the environment.
Speaker 5: You could see it in his tweets and sign and
Speaker 5: there is a kind of grinding quality to the Trump
Speaker 5: campaign rate now that plays very badly against what you
Speaker 5: saw to Nate, which was very joyful and positive, and
Speaker 5: there was this feeling of possibility.
Speaker 1: All right, Spinspinspincent's been narrative, narrative, narrative.
Speaker 2: Let's look at some numbers. Are these the numbers that
Speaker 2: will forever be there? No, But for those people that
Speaker 2: are feeling a little bit wobbly, this is the stuff
Speaker 2: that reassured me as a person who would not like
Speaker 2: to see the Democrats get four more years to be
Speaker 2: rewarded for their failures on the border. Ten minion extra
Speaker 2: people moving into the United States without the paperwork, no
Speaker 2: right to do so, not to mention the economy that
Speaker 2: has caused so much trouble for such a long period
Speaker 2: of time. And of course they should pay a punishment
Speaker 2: for the lies they said about the competency of Biden. Now,
Speaker 2: supposedly this vice presidential pick is the one who's going
Speaker 2: to be able to sort of speak Republican.
Speaker 1: To mind meld with Middle America.
Speaker 2: The only problem is, of course he is a hardcore
Speaker 2: lefty who just dresses and acts like a folks see
Speaker 2: middle of the road person, but the actual policies put
Speaker 2: in place are as wild as you would see in
Speaker 2: New York or in California. He's also one of these
Speaker 2: people that once you point out the falls, well he
Speaker 2: of course changed the subject or pretends that you're starting
Speaker 2: a culture war. Well, actually, if you have a look
Speaker 2: at his voting, at the people who vote for him
Speaker 2: that made him governor basically the numbers that have for
Speaker 2: him are basically no different than every other Democrat. In
Speaker 2: the cities, they love you, in the suburbs, and further
Speaker 2: out they can't stand you.
Speaker 7: Tim was one in twenty twenty two, obviously, but he
Speaker 7: didn't show any new strength in the parts of Minnesota
Speaker 7: where the Democrats have really fallen behind in the Trump area.
Speaker 7: And if you're talking about boosting the Democrats in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 7: you're talking about can you do something in those parts
Speaker 7: of those states where the Democrats have been losing all
Speaker 7: that ground? Looking at what was that in Minnesota, you
Speaker 7: don't see that value.
Speaker 2: Add you mean he's exactly the same, exactly the same
Speaker 2: as Kamala or Hillary or Biden, or you get the point.
Speaker 1: Or they're all the same. Right, Some win, some don't.
Speaker 2: But there's no great wild support in the Trump world
Speaker 2: that will magically flip because this guy, you know, went
Speaker 2: hunting once. Please, I'll do the stolen Valle thing in
Speaker 2: a few days time. But of course, as you know,
Speaker 2: we like to show you the map. You need to
Speaker 2: get to two hundred and seventy electoral votes to win
Speaker 2: the presidency. Currently the swing states put it, but the
Speaker 2: Republicans very close, needing just nineteen votes to get there
Speaker 2: at two fifty one, the Democrats needing an awful lot.
Speaker 2: More So, let's have a look at the swing state poles.
Speaker 2: Forget the Harris is up by one, Harris's up by
Speaker 2: two Nationally in the swing states, what would happen. Trump's
Speaker 2: up in Arizona, Nevada, He's up in North Carolina, Georgia,
Speaker 2: Harris up in Wisconsin and Michigan. And in the state
Speaker 2: that will decide it all, Pennsylvania. Right now to night,
Speaker 2: latest polls that have come out since the change since
Speaker 2: August ticked over. Trump is up by one point eight.
Speaker 2: So if there was an election held right now, he
Speaker 2: would win, and he'd have seventeen extra votes in the
Speaker 2: Electortot College, you would actually end up at two hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty seven. One of the reasons why you may
Speaker 2: well see some other forecasts in other places.
Speaker 1: They start to.
Speaker 2: Move Pennsylvania back towards the Democrats. If that happens, they win,
Speaker 2: but right now they're not quick break back with more
Speaker 2: plenty to talk about here on Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: No Sooks, no left He's after the break. But I'd
Speaker 1: love to know who you think the winner and loser
Speaker 1: of the week is.
Speaker 2: Jump on the socials told you no sooks, no left.
Speaker 1: These and they're in Melbourne for us right now.
Speaker 2: Christen Abrams a wonderful libertarian and a man who's ready
Speaker 2: to fight fire with fire, because that's the way it
Speaker 2: always is, is the lovely Michael Kroger. Never give fight, fight, fight,
Speaker 2: as the great Man said, just a few fight fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah so.
Speaker 2: Jim Charmers today says that he supports the Queensland Government's
Speaker 2: ridiculous idea which no money, no planning will never happen,
Speaker 2: that they will build twelve petrol.
Speaker 1: Stations in Brisbane to bring down the cost of pairer.
Speaker 2: This is utter almost said it rubbish, like it's such
Speaker 2: garbage all right now, Michael, you know this is a
Speaker 2: desperate government fingernails being dragged through the streets, fascinating stuff
Speaker 2: about unions and cameras and all the rest of it. Right,
Speaker 2: But as as low rent, desperate promises.
Speaker 1: Go, this is about as bad as it gets.
Speaker 2: But to hear the Treasurer back it in, tells us
Speaker 2: everything about how they've got no idea what they're doing.
Speaker 8: Mate, what what?
Speaker 3: I don't know what?
Speaker 8: I honestly don't know what to say. I mean, when
Speaker 8: Miles said he was doing this for thirty six million
Speaker 8: dollars worth of borrowed money, I thought this guy has
Speaker 8: gone bonkers. He's completely lost the plot. He's had too
Speaker 8: much son up there in Queensland. But then when Jim
Speaker 8: Charmers put the credibility of his position on the line,
Speaker 8: meaning that's basically the position of the government. So I
Speaker 8: suppose Peter Stephanovic, if he had over one again, do
Speaker 8: you support your Treasurer's view that the Queensland poor old
Speaker 8: taxpayer should put thirty six million into petrol station. It's
Speaker 8: just there was any doubt about Charmer's credibility. This has
Speaker 8: totally destroyed his credibility. Let me simply say this. I
Speaker 8: know there's tens of thousands of viewers watching in Queensland tonight,
Speaker 8: so I say this to them. Put your hand up
Speaker 8: if you would like to invest any of your money
Speaker 8: in a petrol station run by Steven Miles. There are
Speaker 8: no hands up. Bank of Queensland, the head of the
Speaker 8: Bank of Queensland.
Speaker 1: Would you like to ring.
Speaker 8: Him tomorrow and say we're on the hook for the
Speaker 8: thirty six mil I mean, this is a preposterous idea.
Speaker 8: I remind of the great nineteen seventy one business, the
Speaker 8: Burke's Actu Store in Melbourne, which is a store where
Speaker 8: Bob Hawk and the act You went into the retail business.
Speaker 8: They had did some good early on in relation to
Speaker 8: busting a price cartel, but putting that aside, the act
Speaker 8: You thought they could run a retail business. You know
Speaker 8: what happened a few years later it went bus And
Speaker 8: the only advice I'd give it, well, the only advice
Speaker 8: I'd give to Stephen Miles is this is this. Stephen,
Speaker 8: if you're proposing to go ahead with this preposterous idea.
Speaker 8: Give John Howard a ring because John Howard's father ran
Speaker 8: a petrol station, as did his grandfather. If anyone and
Speaker 8: John used to work there as a boy, he was
Speaker 8: in Dullich Hill in New South Wales. Ring John, He'll
Speaker 8: tell your heart it is to run a petrol station.
Speaker 8: Give him a ring, Stephen, because you have got no
Speaker 8: idea what you're doing. This is preposterous and Jim Charmers,
Speaker 8: shame on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look again, Christen, it's not going to
Speaker 2: happen at this stage. The government doesn't look like it
Speaker 2: will be re elected. There's no detail in and around it.
Speaker 2: But it takes the next level when rather than ol
Speaker 2: I haven't read it, I haven't heard about it.
Speaker 1: Sorry I didn't know about that.
Speaker 2: Like there's many ways they all bat it away instead
Speaker 2: doubles down again. But also what does the promise speak
Speaker 2: to about what the government thinks. The expectation is that
Speaker 2: the voters have of them to fix every one of
Speaker 2: their problems and think there's no financial consequences to anything.
Speaker 9: It's not every one of their problems. The government is
Speaker 9: causing this problem and let's address the elephant in the room.
Speaker 9: We pay nearly fifty cents per liter on fuel in
Speaker 9: excise tax that goes to the government, and can't Miles
Speaker 9: turn around and pick up his phone and call charmers
Speaker 9: and go, hey, maybe let's address the cost of living
Speaker 9: in a real way. Maybe let's reduce excise tax. Remove
Speaker 9: it ideally, but let's reduce it because that would actually
Speaker 9: do a lot more than the government. Starting up some
Speaker 9: petrol states is taking a page out of Venezuela's playbook,
Speaker 9: going from prosperous to poor and the government. Everything the
Speaker 9: government touches turns to inflation. So don't you think that
Speaker 9: the petrol stations will do exactly that. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again it's this this idea, and as you
Speaker 2: say on that policy, in particular, when cost of living
Speaker 2: hurts the way that it does, and they've had two surpluses, right,
Speaker 2: they could theoretically do without the money because they haven't
Speaker 2: worked out even where to spend it, right, But they
Speaker 2: this year increased the taxes. Remember they distracted everyone with
Speaker 2: the oh, there'll be a thousand dollars saving with the
Speaker 2: the you know, the ute tax and all the rest
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: The next to well, well, of course rubbish.
Speaker 2: That said, let's get to the politics in and around this,
Speaker 2: because it is interesting to see here the flare go
Speaker 2: up and the Channel nine papers trying to find ways
Speaker 2: to pull the PM out at the moment. But also
Speaker 2: fundamental to that is them having to recognize he's in trouble,
Speaker 2: and he's in trouble because of the economy. Under mental
Speaker 2: promise was to change the cost of living. It is
Speaker 2: fundamentally the exact opposite. And as we know, interest rates
Speaker 2: the elbow dozen of twelve and the few was on. No,
Speaker 2: it's the thirteenth that's going to worry people. No, no, No, twelve, eleven, ten, nine,
Speaker 2: eight and seven are still problems for people right now.
Speaker 1: Michael. Look, people have no money.
Speaker 8: I don't think this government's got any idea how desperate
Speaker 8: people are. The interest rates are killing people, they're cutting
Speaker 8: back on food. I mean, I don't think they've got
Speaker 8: any idea. People can't afford their insurance, they can't afford petrol,
Speaker 8: they can't afford anything. I think so many people are
Speaker 8: on the bones of their backside.
Speaker 1: Mate, and.
Speaker 8: You know Albaneze, he gets off scott free in a
Speaker 8: lot of these interviews Thank goodness for Pete Stephanovic. Well
Speaker 8: done to him this morning. The best interview, the best
Speaker 8: interview of a federal leader since Jonathan Lee's interview of
Speaker 8: Bill Shorten during the nineteen twenty nineteen campaign on the
Speaker 8: cost of the cost of his promises. But Albo's getting
Speaker 8: away with murder. But the good news is, you know,
Speaker 8: the good news is that the working middle class voters.
Speaker 8: It takes them a while because I don't concentrate on
Speaker 8: politics as obsessively as some of us do.
Speaker 1: But after a few.
Speaker 8: Months, Mate, they get it and they're now working it out.
Speaker 8: It's taken people a while, but Elbow's voters sinking, sinking, sinking,
Speaker 8: and they've now worked out. This guy never had a plan.
Speaker 8: He never had an idea how to reduce prices two
Speaker 8: hundred and seventy five dollars in the electricity market. It
Speaker 8: was all bulldust.
Speaker 9: Well, he's really funny that he said, he's you know, no,
Speaker 9: go go, go, go go.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 9: I think it's really funny that he said that he's
Speaker 9: working arm in arm with the RBA. But the RBA
Speaker 9: is doing nothing today, so is Elbow doing nothing? Because
Speaker 9: clearly that's what's happening to our economy at the moment
Speaker 9: that people say that spending is like drinking and inflation
Speaker 9: is the hangover. Unfortunately, we have to go through inflation
Speaker 9: to be able to sober up. But it looks it's
Speaker 9: like to me, the Labor Party has a drinking problem.
Speaker 9: And the perfect example of that is the three point
Speaker 9: six billion dollars that they've just promised for childcare for
Speaker 9: them to buy votes for the next election at the
Speaker 9: expense of mortgage payers and the economy. But it does
Speaker 9: kind of make sense that they're targeting childcare for this
Speaker 9: because mum and dad will both have to work two
Speaker 9: jobs to survive these days, and someone's going to have
Speaker 9: to raise the kids because mum and dad aren't going
Speaker 9: to be able to do it well.
Speaker 2: And also really important, remember there was the age care
Speaker 2: nurses and there's the childcare sector, both of course heavily unionized,
Speaker 2: where a section of their pay packet every single fortnight
Speaker 2: week month is going to be coming from the federal budget.
Speaker 2: All right, So in the same way that all of
Speaker 2: the money that you pay a soldier, part of the
Speaker 2: money that goes to those two sectors. And of course
Speaker 2: what's very important to note here is that Michael, this
Speaker 2: is forever spending, all right. This is one of those
Speaker 2: things that's there for a year, there for two two years,
Speaker 2: and of course anyone who touches it, Oh they're trying
Speaker 2: to go after child they don't care about your kids.
Speaker 1: That you don't care about Nana.
Speaker 2: And Popper, all the rest of it. Forever in the
Speaker 2: federal budget. This has been baked in yet again. The
Speaker 2: consequences of all of this when according to their own report,
Speaker 2: the Intergenerational Report, is we're going to go into structural
Speaker 2: deficit for forty five years. All of this stuff makes
Speaker 2: those deficits deeper.
Speaker 8: Michael, Well, look, I should declare, as I always do
Speaker 8: when we talk about childcare, that I have a financial
Speaker 8: interest in that sector. But putting that aside, Look, the
Speaker 8: problem is this mate, this blog can't control his expenditure.
Speaker 8: They're spending one hundred and thirty five billion dollars more
Speaker 8: out of the federal budget between twenty twenty three and
Speaker 8: twenty twenty six. And you know, of course, childcare workers
Speaker 8: who do an incredible job, and I know a lot
Speaker 8: of them, they are an incredible job. Of course, you
Speaker 8: know they deserve a payrise. You love a lot of
Speaker 8: people in that position to get get a really good
Speaker 8: pay ride, of course, but the federal gup, it's got
Speaker 8: to draw a line in relation to its other spending,
Speaker 8: its infrastructure spending that he just can't control himself. And
Speaker 8: as I said before, you've got to make some enemies
Speaker 8: in this business. If you're the federal treasurer. You can't
Speaker 8: be you know, like like you're at a lolly shop
Speaker 8: handing out freebiester kids and including great hand well indeed
Speaker 8: they've got they've got the hand out frequently. You've got
Speaker 8: to make hard decisions as treasurer. And I'm afraid Jim's
Speaker 8: not the right man with his PhD and Paul keating
Speaker 8: it ain't it ain't good enough, and he's Jim Charmers
Speaker 8: is weighing on this government. He is part of the
Speaker 8: reason their vote is going down because he's a weak treasurer.
Speaker 8: He's just a commentator. He's not across the detail and
Speaker 8: he doesn't have a backbone.
Speaker 2: I'm with you guys, Thank you so much. I talk
Speaker 2: too long, which means you don't get enough time tonight,
Speaker 2: but thank you very much, See very soon.
Speaker 1: Michael Croker and Kristin abram all.
Speaker 2: Right, after the break, somebody who is helping people at
Speaker 2: a time when there's lots of people that are doing
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Speaker 2: actually getting their hands dirdy on the ground helping people.
Speaker 2: You can help them after the break. This week is
Speaker 2: National Homelessness Week, and as you know, there are way
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Speaker 2: There's a great amount of complication around all of this,
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Speaker 1: Salvos told us this week that.
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Speaker 1: It's called Orange Sky.
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Speaker 1: Love you to see you mate again.
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Speaker 1: Again, I mean, that's that's wild.
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Speaker 2: course you know people who might be right on the edge, relationships,
Speaker 2: all the different reasons why people are not able to
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so. The research that we did showed that
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Speaker 1: Lennie, thank you very much. Shane.
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Speaker 2: it's you and me Orange sky dot org dot that's
Speaker 2: our show for the week. Thank you very much for watching.
Speaker 2: We'll see you again Sunday night. Go Yankees.