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Speaker 1: From the newsroom and used to come to me. Good

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Speaker 1: day there, I'm Andrew Bucklow. Now you might remember that

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Speaker 1: late last year the Australian men's netball team, known as

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Speaker 1: the Kelpies, made headlines around the world. They went viral

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Speaker 1: after performing a pre match dance routine on court set

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Speaker 1: to the en Sync song Bye Bye Bye, which absolutely

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Speaker 1: killed it with the crowd.

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Speaker 2: Amaze.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you ever wanted to be part of a

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Speaker 3: boy band and do their curry crop.

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Speaker 4: Dunce, that was a chance and they absolutely nailed at Australia.

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Speaker 1: But as the video of their dance routine spread online,

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Speaker 1: it attracted a wave of abuse. Chrolls flooded the comments

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Speaker 1: with homophobic and demeaning remarks, attacking both the players and

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Speaker 1: the sport itself. In this episode, You're gonna hear a

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Speaker 1: chat between the Kelpies captain Liam Faukadeer and news dot

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Speaker 1: Com Dot I use a Shannon Malloy. Liam will explain

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Speaker 1: just how horrific the abuse was, what impact it had

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Speaker 1: on the team, and how his fiyonce ex Home and

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Speaker 1: Awaysta Lucas Radovich, helped him deal with the backlash.

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Speaker 4: He's shutting with LAMB.

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Speaker 5: Tell me about that day, the day that you're competing

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Speaker 5: and that at halftime you do that down.

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Speaker 3: So how did that day unfold?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So we were in christ Church for the World

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Speaker 6: Fast five Championships.

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Speaker 4: It was my third championship.

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Speaker 6: I'm the only Australian player that's been at every one

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Speaker 6: of them so far, and we knew that we had

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Speaker 6: this dance that we kind of had to do pre game.

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Speaker 6: Every team does a dance before one of their games,

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Speaker 6: and yeah, we just kind of knew, oh, let's do

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Speaker 6: something a little bit low key, as I keep saying,

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Speaker 6: but it's only like four steps, and so we thought, oh,

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Speaker 6: it's going to be a bit easy. That way, we

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Speaker 6: can have a few rehearsals and when we get out

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Speaker 6: there for game day, we don't need to.

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Speaker 4: Remember it much. And yeah, I remember walking out we were.

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Speaker 6: Pretty heart's pretty excited, especially to get out in play

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Speaker 6: some netball. I mean we're about to vers South Africa.

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Speaker 6: I remember the crowd went wild for it, and then

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Speaker 6: it was straight into game mode and we ended up

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Speaker 6: playing really really well and absolutely dominating South Africa.

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Speaker 5: When I saw the video as it started to circulate

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Speaker 5: on social media, I thought it was fantastic and shared

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Speaker 5: it like so many other people, and to me, it

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Speaker 5: seemed like the initial response was very positive. Was that

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Speaker 5: your impression as well when it started.

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Speaker 3: To go viral?

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Speaker 6: Honestly, because we had the two games on the Saturday,

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Speaker 6: we had done that in our morning game to our

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Speaker 6: first game of the tournament, there wasn't much time to

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Speaker 6: look on our phones in between, and so it wasn't

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Speaker 6: that we had seen that it had been posted by

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Speaker 6: many news outlets and had really gone viral, and there

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Speaker 6: were some really great and positive comments, but then we

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Speaker 6: also started seeing a few negative ones here and there.

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Speaker 6: And after we had done the Nutbush the year before

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Speaker 6: and that had kind of gone viral, but not to

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Speaker 6: this level. We were expecting that, and we kind of

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Speaker 6: went to bed going, oh, it's same as last year,

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Speaker 6: maybe a little bit bigger, but yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think I.

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Speaker 6: Remember waking up on Sunday morning and I had a

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Speaker 6: to you? And Alistair who I'm the captain, he was

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Speaker 6: the vice captain of the team, and she came in

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Speaker 6: and she just said, we've got a Grand Final to

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Speaker 6: could have anticipated. I think we need to have like

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Speaker 6: a blanket rule that no phones because our focus is netball.

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Speaker 6: It was never to do a dance and go viral,

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Speaker 6: so to speak, Like, we've got a job to do

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Speaker 6: and that is to win a gold medal for our country.

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Speaker 6: And so that's what we did. We spoke to the

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Speaker 4: Until after the Grand Final and I knew that I had.

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Speaker 6: To get off the court straight away and go do

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Speaker 6: I was like, why are they wanting an interview straight

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Speaker 4: Like what's going on?

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Speaker 6: And I hadn't realized how much it had kind of

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Speaker 5: Their netfall and an end sync performance the Australian Fast five.

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Speaker 4: Men's netball team. They can do it all to play?

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Speaker 1: Why should they just played South Africa and the Aussies have.

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Speaker 5: Treated a crowd to an iconic pre match dance routine,

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Speaker 5: to the classic bye Bye bye and the negative aspect

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Speaker 5: of it. How soon did that become clear to just

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Speaker 6: I think the initial meeting in the morning with our coach,

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't just about like.

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Speaker 6: Protecting our space and making sure that we had a

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Speaker 6: We had a boy who was eighteen who was actually

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Speaker 6: as a fifteen year old you are just excited to

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Speaker 6: be expecting that sort of commentariat about you and about

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was it was probably.

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Speaker 6: Then that I was like, oh, this is not this

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Speaker 3: How bad was it?

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Speaker 5: Without going into details that you don't want to, what

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a lot of homophobic comments, to be honest,

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Speaker 6: and they were questioning our masculinity, which, yeah, it all

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Speaker 6: came from a community that wasn't our community. It wasn't

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Speaker 6: the Nepal community. It's from people that didn't understand that

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Speaker 6: men's nebule is a thing and be what the Fast

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Speaker 6: T twenty cricket or rugby seven's. It's a condensed format.

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Speaker 6: It's meant to be sport team and it's meant to

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Speaker 6: because it's so quick. I do know that a few

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Speaker 6: media platforms which were yeah, homophobic. I myself didn't really

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Speaker 1: Met the rush Hour, Lisil, Liam and Tobo.

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Speaker 4: On Triple M.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys witnesses, but unbeknownced to me,

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Speaker 2: we have a men's Australian netball side that are called

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Speaker 2: the Kelpies. The fact that these five absolute idiots have

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Speaker 2: Tom appalled by this.

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Speaker 1: Myle netball does not have.

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Speaker 2: A play for backstreet boys.

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Speaker 4: What are you said about my men playing netball.

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Speaker 2: The dancing, I'm more upset about the dancing. You're representing

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Speaker 2: our country and you've got Backstreet Boys doing this sort

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, It's a gimmick. These blokes, they should be ashamed.

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Speaker 5: The aftermath of this incident, the story almost sort of

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Speaker 5: How did that feel seeing that it became this kind

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was very interesting to see. I suppose first

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Speaker 6: having like Australian greats like Adam Gilchrist resharing on his

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Speaker 4: So that was quite overwhelming in itself. I guess did

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Speaker 5: Any impact on you, that negativity, that horrible hatred.

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 6: I remember flying home on the Monday, and even at

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Speaker 6: we are, and I think that's the thing that was

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Speaker 5: What do you think it says about masculinity that this

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Speaker 3: Why was it such an issue.

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Speaker 6: I think maybe because there's not a lot of queer

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Speaker 6: naples that are breaking down barriers. I actually think that

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Speaker 6: like the straight guys in our team are challenging gender

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Speaker 6: they go through their own battle of having to justify

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Speaker 4: It was quite a good moment.

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Speaker 6: I suppose to enlighten and encourage that sort of conversation

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Speaker 3: And to challenge those notions as well.

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Speaker 1: More from Shannon's chat with Liam in just a Moment

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Liam Foukadea, the captain

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Speaker 1: of the Australian men's netball team, being interviewed by news

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Speaker 1: dot com Dot I use as Shannon malloy. As I

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Liam is engaged to Lucas Radovich, who played

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Speaker 1: writer Jackson on Home and Away.

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Speaker 5: Over to Shannon, during that time, your partner Lucas was

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Speaker 5: a great support to you.

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Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I suppose my partner Lucas being an actor and

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Speaker 6: being on Home Away for about five years, he himself

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Speaker 6: had his time in the public eye as well, and

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Speaker 6: he definitely gave me tips and tricks on how to

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Speaker 5: Was it an interesting insight into sort of parts of

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Speaker 4: Perhaps, Oh, definitely.

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Speaker 6: I still remember like our first one of our first

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Speaker 6: five minutes because he'd been swarmed by people just wanting

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Speaker 3: Tell me about the Push Up Challenge.

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Speaker 5: The Push Up Challenge is Australia's largest mental health and

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Speaker 6: This year, the challenge is three two hundred and four

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Speaker 3: How did you come to be involved in that?

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Speaker 5: You mentioned your experience with mental health to feel comfortable

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Speaker 4: And it was just that.

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Speaker 6: That community that had open arms and that just accepted

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 1: That was Laying four DA speaking to news dot com

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Speaker 1: dot I use a Shannon malloy for more details on

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Speaker 1: that push up challenge they were talking about. Go to

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Speaker 1: the push up Challenge dot com dot AU. In the meantime,

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