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Speaker 1: Yesterday I played you an interview I recorded Wednesday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I went out to Perfection Pressure too well. So this

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Speaker 1: is a company that has been affected by the brown

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Speaker 1: rugos virus. It Hits Tomatoes are a major grower, one

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Speaker 1: of Australia's biggest growers of tomatoes and certainly the states

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Speaker 1: here in South Australia, and they're worried about their future

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Speaker 1: because the shutdown and the taking out, the ripping out

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Speaker 1: of one point to million plants in twenty eight separate,

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Speaker 1: isolated from each other, some on their own, some through airlocks, glasshouses.

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Speaker 1: That many plants is costing them tens of millions and

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Speaker 1: with no end to this insight, they're concerned about their

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Speaker 1: immediate future. This is a little bit of Michael Simonetta,

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Speaker 1: the CEO, And let me just set that up again

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Speaker 1: because you won't be able to hear it for the

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Speaker 1: time being. Here we go, let's try them again. Michael Simonetta.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely distressing. It's heartbreaking for the team here. It's

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Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars. We're losing here because we

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Speaker 2: have been shut out of production for what we believe

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Speaker 2: to be no real good reason.

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Speaker 1: So we had a long chat. You heard it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: They've been shut down for five weeks. There's forty three

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Speaker 1: hectares twenty eight compartments. These are the glasshouses. The infected

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Speaker 1: plants found at least as at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: week in three glasshouses. In the studio with me the

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Speaker 1: Primary Industry's Minister, Clais Gribber Nick Seekam as well, who

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Speaker 1: is Director of Plant and Invasive Species at PERSA. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you both, Good morning, welcome to the studio. Minister,

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Speaker 1: Are you prepared to be the minister whose department closes

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Speaker 1: an industry ends a big employer here in South Australia.

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Speaker 3: I think the key point is that no one wants

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Speaker 3: anyone to be closed down, but we certainly don't want

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Speaker 3: our whole industry to be closed down. So it's very

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Speaker 3: very unfortunate for Perfection Fresh that they are in the

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Speaker 3: situation they are at the moment, but they are one

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Speaker 3: business every significant business years. But they are one business

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Speaker 3: in South Australia. Now, if all of the rest of

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Speaker 3: US country cease to receive any of our to martyrs

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Speaker 3: from South Australia, there are many many more businesses that

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Speaker 3: would be closed down, and so that's what we're trying

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Speaker 3: to avoid. Now. The other issue that we need to

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Speaker 3: look at is that the decisions that are being made

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Speaker 3: around this are part of a national response. This is

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Speaker 3: the first time we've had this tomato disease here in Australia,

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Speaker 3: so there's a national response to this. There is input

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Speaker 3: from all the other states and territories and the Commonwealth,

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Speaker 3: and even more importantly, they have to agree on the

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Speaker 3: response to this. So in terms of what is required

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Speaker 3: to prove freedom from the disease, what is required for

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Speaker 3: trade to be able to continue, all of that is

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Speaker 3: part of decisions that are made by the federal, state

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Speaker 3: and territory governments combined. And that's one of the real

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Speaker 3: difficult parts. But it is also understandable because this is

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Speaker 3: a national response to disease. It hasn't been here before.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk to that. It's been around for ten years

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Speaker 1: internationally that we know of. Why haven't we come up

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Speaker 1: with a plan and what else? Have come up with

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Speaker 1: a plan about that? We absolutely should well.

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Speaker 3: I think it speaks to the robustness of our bisecurity

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Speaker 3: here in Australia that we haven't had it before. This

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Speaker 3: is the first time prepared for it. I think both

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Speaker 3: nationally on a state level, we prepare for many many diseases,

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Speaker 3: but there are hundreds, if not thousands of exotic diseases

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Speaker 3: and pests that could come into Australia. So all of

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Speaker 3: the work that's done around biosecurity is so important and

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Speaker 3: it prepares as best it can for those that are

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Speaker 3: the country. So if the work that's been doing, work

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Speaker 3: that is being done all the time on biosecurity is

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Speaker 3: preparing us for when there are outbreaks, when there's a

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Speaker 3: specific disease as in this case that hasn't been in

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Speaker 3: Australia before, that's when specific protocols need to be agreed

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately they need to be agreed on a national

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Speaker 1: Can't there be an emergency meeting with this is threshed

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Speaker 1: out in a day for goodness sake, I mean what

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Speaker 1: we're prepared to do all this and great doing the

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Speaker 1: work now, but business and it's not just perfection. This

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Speaker 1: the salvatore and other farms as well affected by this.

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Speaker 1: So can this we prepared to say, well, they can

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Speaker 3: Well, what we want is to have everyone back to

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Speaker 1: Now what's the time frame for that, Well, what's as

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Speaker 1: soon as possible.

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Speaker 2: So the.

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Speaker 3: Nationally there's been meetings regularly and we have been impressing

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Speaker 3: that have looked at different evidence. So for example, there's

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Speaker 3: that might occurge from fruit to fruit. There are two

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Speaker 3: others in NIT can speak to that more in a

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Speaker 3: the research that's available around the world. So they have

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Speaker 3: to be happy when I say they the other states

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Speaker 3: the response that we do here in South Australia for

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Speaker 3: the three infected properties is going to be robust enough

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Speaker 3: that trade can continue.

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Speaker 1: I understand the federal government has given some permission for

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Speaker 1: exports for tomatoes from South Australia, but waiting on state

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Speaker 1: approval for that to some countries. Are you aware of that?

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Speaker 1: Is that an issue at the moment?

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Speaker 3: So sorry asking you about export out of.

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Speaker 1: Australia, absolutely out of South Australia to overseas from tomatoes

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Speaker 3: So it will depend on which countries already have the

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Speaker 3: disease or to have the virus. So what we are

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Speaker 3: keen to do is have as much production and as

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Speaker 3: much freedom of trade as is possible. But in terms

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Speaker 3: of the other states, they need to be able to say, yes,

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Speaker 3: we are confident that what you're doing here in South

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Speaker 3: Australia will mean that this disease does not come to

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Speaker 1: Nick, can I ask you, as an average person having

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, it seems to me a massive overreach out

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Speaker 1: that you shut down the whole plant and rip out

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Speaker 1: one point two million tomato plants. That and I ate

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Speaker 1: some tomatoes, pluck them off the vine, juicy, fresh, beautiful

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Speaker 1: tasting tomatoes. Why are we doing that? Why this massive overreach.

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Speaker 4: So I've got to just give context that we get

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Speaker 4: have to decide, first of all, is it feasible, is

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Speaker 4: it possible to eradicate this disease from this site, and

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Speaker 4: if so, how best to do it. So it's really

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Speaker 4: important that we preserve the right to do that. And

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Speaker 4: this disease can spread very easily, and we've seen no,

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Speaker 4: it can absolutely hasn't it. And this disease has been

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Speaker 4: on the international stage now for ten years, and we

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Speaker 4: know quite clearly that this disease can remain on inert

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Speaker 4: there's no debating that that is an absolute fact that

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Speaker 4: the disease can be spread quite easily off of those services.

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Speaker 1: Rollers will debate that with you. This is a bit

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Speaker 1: of Michael Simonetta exactly on that point. Have A listened

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Speaker 2: We were so fruit for at least two or three

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Speaker 2: weeks before PERSA came with the Australian test result that

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Speaker 2: we tested positive because they didn't acknowledge the overseas based result.

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Speaker 2: So we kept selling for those two or three weeks

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Speaker 2: to every state and if the fruit spread the virus,

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Speaker 2: it would be rampant across the country by now. The

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Speaker 2: chance of fruit spreading the virus is next to zero,

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Speaker 2: is close to zero as you can possibly get. And

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Speaker 2: there is no ill health to anybody by consuming that fruit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm testament to that. I've been eating the

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Speaker 2: fruit all day right and for the last few weeks. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so the fruit's not going to harm anybody. And all

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Speaker 2: we want to do is sell our fruit. We're happy

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Speaker 2: to follow the protocols that are set by per Se

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Speaker 2: in terms of isolation of one glasshouse or two glasshouses,

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Speaker 2: which we tried to express to them and convince them

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Speaker 2: that we were able to segregate these houses, but they

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Speaker 2: just ignored us and shut down the whole place.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be this business, if it doesn't get

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Speaker 1: The fruit doesn't seem to spread, the virus doesn't seem

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Speaker 4: So can I speak to a couple of things in

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Speaker 4: Michael's comments there? So, first of all, yeah, the intent

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Speaker 4: has always been to be able to segregate glasshouses on

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Speaker 4: this facility, and we've done that from day one, we've

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Speaker 4: recognized that each of these glasshouses are discrete units, and

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Speaker 4: we've had to talk with other states and the Commonwealth

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Speaker 4: about that, but we've always applied that model. So we've

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Speaker 4: certainly worked with perfection fresh in recognizing that this is

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Speaker 4: we've done that from day one. Secondly, I think we're

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Speaker 4: talking about two different methods of spread here. One is

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Speaker 4: the plants are touching and grown in really high density outlets.

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Speaker 4: So there's a much higher and different risk pathway to

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Speaker 4: move around a glasshouse, and we certainly know that the

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Speaker 4: spread of disease in that situation is very common. What

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Speaker 4: we've done nationally is set up a scientific assessment panel

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Speaker 4: to look at fruit, specifically to look at the literature

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Speaker 4: from overseas, what the scientists are telling us. And I

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Speaker 4: know that Simon that mister Simtada suggests that the fruit

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Speaker 4: is good to eat, and it absolutely is. There are

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Speaker 4: no human health impacts from eating fruit, and we can

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Speaker 4: eat the fruit, but we are worried about the production

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Speaker 4: impacts from this disease, and again they are significant if

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Speaker 4: we allow this disease to spread. We have a two

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty million dollar industry in South Australia that

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Speaker 4: we could be looking at impacts forever, so that two

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Speaker 4: looking at a ten or twenty percent impact even when

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Speaker 4: we learn to live with this disease every year, so

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Speaker 4: they aren't in significant impacts production wise. But importantly, the

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Speaker 4: scientists nationally agreed that fruit is a risk pathway, that

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Speaker 4: we can spread the disease through fruit, and we should

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Speaker 4: stop fruit from moving from infected sites as a result,

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Speaker 4: and that's after looking at the literature internationally.

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Speaker 1: Growers would give you a different view, though, are they're wrong?

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Speaker 4: No, I understand, But we also got to understand that

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Speaker 4: the growers are seeing it from a different perspective and

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Speaker 4: we have to take an overarching view across our industry

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Speaker 4: and nationally, which is so nationally there's an eight, eight

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Speaker 4: or nine hundred million dollar industry here, what is the

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Speaker 4: risk to the entire industry, not just the three or

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Speaker 4: four growers who are affected, And of course the grower

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Speaker 4: who is infected is going to have a different view

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Speaker 4: on spread and the risk and the ability to move

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Speaker 4: his or her fruit than what we have to look

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Speaker 4: at holistically at a national level, when we look at

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Speaker 4: all of the industry that could be impacted.

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Speaker 1: All right, how long is this going to take?

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Speaker 4: So this is something that we've been working with nationally

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Speaker 4: and I guess, as I said in my first point,

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Speaker 4: we only get one chance at doing this right, So

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Speaker 4: we don't want to jump in and do something that

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Speaker 4: isn't agreed. First of all, because that could allow the

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not able to say that because, as I

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Speaker 1: You, eighteen months to full production.

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Speaker 1: Is this a public servants dream? I mean, you've not

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Speaker 4: This, not at all, Matthew. Let me tell you we've

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's have a chat with Paul Kafkakas, who

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Speaker 5: Morning there.

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Speaker 4: How are you going morning? Pool?

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Speaker 6: I'm just a question. So Minister you mentioned before you

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Speaker 3: So I couldn't quite hear that last bit of the question.

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Speaker 6: You know, do you know what maybe with all the

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Speaker 3: Right, So what happens is that there's a nationally agreed

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Speaker 3: So they're the ones that there are already protocols established for,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess that's where my point is, because you know,

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Speaker 6: that's out of your control. My second point is, you

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Speaker 6: The advice that they've given us as well is that

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Speaker 6: we're not we're not lying we don't want this disease.

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Speaker 6: My issue is with the businesses that have been affected

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Speaker 6: with it. Two that have been effected, will been retested,

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Speaker 6: That's never happened anywhere in the world. You know previously

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Speaker 1: Rid of the disease.

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Speaker 6: They didn't get rid of the disease. They got rid

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Speaker 6: So if businesses have it and now they don't have it,

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Speaker 6: So we've obviously filmed the magic pill. Actual businesses get retested,

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Speaker 1: Good question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think a couple of things, and I'll

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Speaker 3: So the fact that we still have only three properties

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're all being honest? Same minister. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think while we're still trying to eradicate this,

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Speaker 4: So the only things I'd add to that is that

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Speaker 4: We've gone to the infected site and said where else

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Speaker 1: Show it hasn't spread.

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Speaker 4: That's right from those three properties.

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Speaker 4: But to Pool's point, who was agreeing that international experience

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Speaker 1: All right, Nicholas and a fan he's called in the

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning, Matthew, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: At what point would you like to make Look.

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Speaker 5: I think there does need to be an acknowledgment by

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Speaker 5: whilst the picture is one of devastation, what I found

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Speaker 5: strict they're biosecurity protocols are. You know, it's fourth Ppe,

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Speaker 5: in that Minister's meeting.

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Speaker 1: Is it on top of the agenda as the meeting

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Speaker 3: I certainly indicated that I'm bringing up on gender today,

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Speaker 1: Compensation for perfection, fresh disableatorying others affected is that on

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Speaker 3: So what often happens when we have bisecurity issues is

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Speaker 3: is not so clear. But what we have been doing

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Speaker 3: is advocating strongly on the national level to be able

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Speaker 3: haven't been part of what some of these other sectors

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Speaker 3: have been. So that's an ongoing piece of work and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll continue to a strongly advocate on that, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Nick Secam, you say weeks not months, So we

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Speaker 1: can quote that.

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Speaker 4: So it does depend on getting that national agreement, and

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Speaker 4: I don't want to put those other states under pressure.

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Speaker 4: We have to bring them along with well, we have

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Speaker 4: to bring them along with us, and they have to agree.

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Speaker 4: Last thing we want to do is put an ultimatum

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Speaker 4: to them. So but they are very close. I think

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Speaker 4: we had a meeting just two days ago where we

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Speaker 4: have near agreement. As I said, this is a very

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Speaker 4: long and complex response plan, and the pathway to freedom

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Speaker 4: is part of it. Perfection Fresh did come to us

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Speaker 4: a month ago and said this is how we think

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Speaker 4: we can move our way forward, and we've been applying that.

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Speaker 4: We've been applying that method, and I think the treatments

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Speaker 4: that they're applying and the method they're applying, as I

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Speaker 4: was saying before, is largely agreed. So that's not holding

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Speaker 4: us back from actually treating the glass houses. And we've

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Speaker 4: been meeting with Perfection Fresh every week. We met again

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Speaker 4: this morning to see how they're going, what's their pathway

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Speaker 4: back to trade. So we have been active, but nationally

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Speaker 4: we are very close I think to getting that response

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Speaker 4: plan agreed.

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Speaker 1: All right, so hopefully weeks not months, and very close. Well,

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Speaker 1: like to think that's possible for these business not just

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Speaker 1: the businesses I mean Michael Simonetta, as you may have

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Speaker 1: heard in the whole interview yesterday, says tens of millions.

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Speaker 1: They can't continue that forever. They need to get moving

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Speaker 1: otherwise their future is very much in doubt long term.

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Speaker 1: But it's also the twelve hundred people that they would

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Speaker 1: have employed just on that side site over the summer

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Speaker 1: period they ramp up to that many people. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those jobs are gone. They're gone from the economy as well,

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Speaker 1: and doesn't help anyone in South Australia.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and that's why we need to try and

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Speaker 3: really restrain the amount of impact as far as possible

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Speaker 3: and make sure we don't have those same sorts of

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Speaker 3: implications and effects on all the other groves in South Australia.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time coming in this morning. Before you go,

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Speaker 1: you're announcing a wine recovery program today, minister.

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Speaker 3: That's right. We've got a two and a half million

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Speaker 3: dollars South Australian wine recovery program which is going to

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Speaker 3: be the next step in supporting the wine industry. We

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Speaker 3: all know how difficult it has been the tariffs that

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Speaker 3: were the issue until earlier this year have had huge

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Speaker 3: impacts on the wine industry across the state and indeed

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Speaker 3: across the nation. And so we've worked with the federal

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Speaker 3: government to be able to get some a program in place,

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Speaker 3: which adds to a number of other things that we've

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Speaker 3: done over the last twelve to eighteen months. So this

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Speaker 3: is two and a half million dollars which will have

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Speaker 3: three different focuses. First, will be particularly around a vineyard

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Speaker 3: waste management. So when I'm talking with growers and they're

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Speaker 3: perhaps looking at diversifying or perhaps going out of wine

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Speaker 3: altogether one grapes and going into something else, one of

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Speaker 3: the biggest challenges is around things like the CCA posts

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Speaker 3: and other wastes. So we're doing some work with this

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Speaker 3: fund with funding around how we can assist people in

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Speaker 3: terms of that waste management because that will enable them

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Speaker 3: to then potentially move into other crops. Also looking at

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Speaker 3: building domestic demands. There's been an overall line in demand

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Speaker 3: for wine, that's a trend across the world, but how

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Speaker 3: can we actually encourage more purchase of South Australian wines

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Speaker 3: and also responsibly of course, but more consumption of what

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Speaker 3: is a fantastic and well renowned product and also regional

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Speaker 3: grape and wine capability. So when I'm talking with a

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Speaker 3: number of the regional grape and wine associations, a number

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Speaker 3: of them have got some really good ideas about how

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Speaker 3: what a relatively small amount of money could do to

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Speaker 3: be able to assist them, to be able to provide

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Speaker 3: more support within their own regions and hopefully give that

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Speaker 3: broader assistance to the wine. Great growers.

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Speaker 1: I reckon tomato growers would like a relatively small amount

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Speaker 1: of money to help them. In compensation, we can't find

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Speaker 1: two and a half million for tomato growers.

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Speaker 3: Well, those cost sharing arrangements which are often the subject

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Speaker 3: of the national deed, that's what we're pursuing for the

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Speaker 3: tomato growers.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to leave it. They appreciate your time once more,

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Speaker 1: please Gribbin Minister and Nick Seacon from Primary Industries, thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming in expect