1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Shawan Almark. 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Global markets have been thrown into chaos by Donald Trump's 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Paris but in addition to his economic policies, the President 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: has also implemented his agenda of deporting illegal immigrants, slashing 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: government spending and departments, and cracking down on DEI. We're 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: talking diversity, equity and inclusion there. He's also shaken up geopolitics, 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: including a public confrontation with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: efforts to take control of Greenland. It's a lot considering 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: he hasn't even been in the White House or back 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: in the White House for ninety days yet. Bruce Whalpy 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: is a Senior Fellow non Resident at the United States 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: Studies Center. He's worked with the Democrats in Congress during 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: President Brack Obama's first term. His latest book is called 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: What Trump's Second Term Means for Australia and predicts that 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: America's democracy won't survive a second Trump term. Bruce Walby 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: joins me in the studio. Bruce, Welcome back to Fear 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: and Great Great to. 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: Be in a land of freedom and democracy. 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: America's democracy won't survive a second Trump term. That's a 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: big call. 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: It's a big call. We'll see. I mean, it's but 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: the risks are all there. He has centralized power. No 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: president is as governed with so much executive power as Trump. 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: That goes back to Franklin Roosevelt is he continues to 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: take actions which end up in the courts, principally on immigration, 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: what he's doing, government agencies, the people he's firing, and 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: things like that. And you have a series of rulings, 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: some in favor, most against, but they have not matured 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: to a point where it gets where there's a landmark 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: case before the Supreme Court about what his powers are 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: as president. And everyone is anticipating that at some point 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court will say thou shalt not and Trump 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: will say, I certainly will, and I will not obey 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: a ruling of the Supreme Court that would precipitate a 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: constitucial crisis. 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: One of the great things about the US is its 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: ability to reinvent itself. And if you think of the 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: late sixties, there's probably more turmoil in the streets, at 39 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: least in the late sixties than there is today now. 40 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: The players back then and Lynda Johnson Nixon, those sorts 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: of people. Perhaps they weren't as extreme as Donald Trump. 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: But I'm trying to put this period of American democracy, 43 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: for want of a better term, in place. 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: It's not just democracy. Well, there are cycles in American politics, 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: so things like make America First that was in the 46 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: nineteen thirties, a trade wars, the Smooth Holly tariff was 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties, movements of radical government power against minorities. Mccarthyis, 48 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: it's there. But there's something that's really happened within the 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: first one hundred days that I don't think people are 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: fully appreciating yet. Within the first hundred days, the United 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: States is no longer the leader of the free world. 52 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: And in the first hundred dy Trump has crippled, if 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: not dismantled, the global worldwide trading regime that we have. 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: That's pretty big stuff in a very short period of time. 55 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: Do you think that void will be filled? Presumably the 56 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: free world? I mean, China's trying to do it, but 57 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: it's not the free world, say, Europe presumably is the 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: only grouping that can fill that. Do you think the 59 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: US and Trump understands what they're doing. 60 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I think Trump absolutely understands what he's doing. 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: He's consistent, he's everything. He's talking about trade, America getting 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: ripped off, trade deficits, and people taking advantage of the 63 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: United States. He's been saying since the nineteen eighties, and 64 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: he believes that we should go back to the nineteen eighties. 65 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: But the world is a different place and that's why 66 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: such a jarring adjustment as to what he's doing. And yes, 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: I think most of the world wants to opt out 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: of the China United States decoupling and raging economic warfare 69 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: and do something else. But that's international. It's not global. 70 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: If you have something that doesn't include the United States 71 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: and China, the two biggest powers in the world, where 72 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: are you really So I think Australia can cushion to 73 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: a degree, adjust to a degree. It's a pretty inventive country. 74 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: It's got a lot of creativity, but it's not the same. 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: And there's what's so clear is settling on a long 76 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: term view as to what's going to happen. That's really 77 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: hard right now. 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: Are they not people around Donald Trump that can say, hey, 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: what you're doing is silly? Or does he just not 80 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: listen to. 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: Them, Sean sewn. Sean, haven't you learned anything from the term? Hey, 82 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: I tell you there were those people in the first term. 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: They're not being investigated in jailed by the Justice Department. No, 84 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: he hired people who would absolutely dose to one thing 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: he learned. He did not want a chief of staff 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: who would say, I'm sorry, mister President, you can't do that, 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: or a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who says, no, 88 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: you cannot order troops into the streets of the cities, 89 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: or an attorney general who said you lost the election. 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: Those people are gone. The people in even someone like 91 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: Scott percent who is the Treasury secretary, very well, reputation, 92 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: big reputation, but he's gone, you know. For the trade 93 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: policy as well. He's tinkered with it a little bit. 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: So we had a pause, but the tariffs are still 95 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: in effect. 96 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: Bruce will be back in a minute. I'm speaking to 97 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: Bruce Walby from the United States Studies Center. He wrote 98 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: recently that one of the big challenges for the US 99 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: is a lack of focused opposition. We only ever hear 100 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: from Trump, and in my mind, the only person that 101 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: seems to be able to stop them or the only 102 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: institution are the courts. At this point, what about the Democrats. 103 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: There is no opposition in Australia. We have no matter 104 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: how few seats the opposition controls in Parliment, there is 105 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: an opposition leader that the media turns to that person 106 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: to comment on what the government is doing, and you 107 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: have it's not balanced, but you have two views and 108 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: they're out there. The tragedy for the Democrats is they 109 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: did not take the House or representatives in the election 110 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: last year, so the Republicans control the House and the Senate. 111 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: That means there's no oversight by Congress. There are no 112 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: committees with subpoenas and investigations and hearings, and therefore there's 113 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: nothing that they can do. And what you have is 114 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: Trump flooding the zone. He's issued one hundred executive orders 115 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: that have a thousand policies and it's just there over everything, 116 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: and there's no critical mass, no single leader who stands 117 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: up every morning at ten am and says, here are 118 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: the five biggest atrocities that the Trump committed since sunrise, 119 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: and this is what we're doing about it. That is 120 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: immensely frustrating to Democrats. So nothing is happening at the 121 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: Washington level. But the grassroots are really taking fire. And 122 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: so you have two things. You have demonstrations in cities 123 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: across the country. They're growing. And secondly, something very interesting. 124 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: Republican members have gone home and they have town hall meetings. 125 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: And over the past few weeks they've gone and done 126 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: their usual thing with townholl meetings and people are coming 127 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: in and they're yelling at them and they're really getting angry. 128 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: And so Democrats are now going into Republican electorates and saying, oh, 129 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: we still have freedom of assembly in the United States. 130 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: So they go into Republican electorates and they hold town 131 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: hall meetings and people come out and so it's a 132 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: grassroots not rebellions. It's a grassroots movement against Trump and 133 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: where it is. But it's not stopping him. 134 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 1: Okay, So what's his polling? Like, I mean, it probably 135 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: is a bit irrelevant because we're, you know what, three years, 136 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: nine months from another election, But do people do Americans 137 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: still think as highly of him as they did previously, higher. 138 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: Than in the first term. When he was elected, he 139 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: won forty nine point eight percent of the popular vote. 140 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: His polling was a forty nine percent, it's now down 141 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: lower in the forties and is headed towards forty. The 142 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: issue and it is really the most emotive issue aside 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: from tariffs's immigration, strong support and immigration, it's like sixty percent, 144 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: go ahead, get rid of the people who are not 145 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: here illegally and so forth. But on the economy and 146 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: what's going to happen and on tariffs and what the 147 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: effect will be, people are really worried about it. And 148 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: so is it going to cause inflation? Is it going 149 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: to cause shortage? Just what happens to my job and 150 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: so forth, and so that is leading to growing concern. 151 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: But Trump is thinking, well, the midterms aren't till next year. 152 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: I may never have to face the voters again. I 153 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: know what I want. I want the nineteen eighties in 154 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: my policy in America first and protectionism and nativism, and 155 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. And I can take the 156 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: political hit, the heat for a period of time. So 157 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: he's not directly affected, but the members of Congress are 158 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: beginning to really worry about it. And so if you 159 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: see his poll numbers go below forty percent, that's his base. 160 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: And so if he starts eating into his base, that's 161 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: trouble for him. 162 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: Okay, the Supreme Court you mentioned it before. They haven't 163 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: been tested yet, but ultimately they probably will be tested, 164 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: won't they. 165 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: Yes, they will, and it could be on something like 166 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: Congress by law establishes the Department of Education. He's closing 167 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: it down. Same thing with the Voice of America, saymething 168 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: with the USAID. Trump has closed those down well as 169 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: the constitutional or not, and that would be He also 170 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: wants on citizenship. He wants to deny citizenship to people 171 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: from foreign countries who come to the US to have 172 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: baby and they have babies and that baby as a citizen. 173 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: It's called birthright citizenship. That is in the Constitution, and 174 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 2: he's saying I don't intend to honor it. So that 175 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: is being tested, and the Supreme Court will, I believe 176 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: rule even the strict constructionists. Those are the words of 177 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: the Constitution. There's no way around it. So if he 178 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: disobeys something like that, that would be a constitutional crisis. 179 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: Okay. So I mean the point is that you think 180 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court, notwithstanding it's extremely conservative at the moment, 181 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: the balance is they will still come down in terms 182 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: of how they read the Constitution. Yes, where you get. 183 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: The crisis is if he ignores the Supreme Court. 184 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: That's right, and he says, I'm not going to obey it. 185 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: We have three co equal branches of government courts, legislature, executive. Suddenly, 186 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: if he's not a bang a Supreme Court order of 187 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: thou shalt not, it's not a coequal branch of the government. 188 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: Frightening. Is there anything good that he's done that you've seen. 189 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he took over the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. 190 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: Point is, the point is nothing is too small for 191 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: this man. There's a portrait I mean, Colorado is citizen 192 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: of Colorado. I vote here, thank god. But and there 193 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: was a portrait in the state House that Trump didn't 194 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: like and he wanted it takehnim down and it was 195 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: taken down. I mean, really, it. 196 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: Is quite astounding how much detail. Yeah, he gets into 197 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: so that, you know, in the Bank of JP, Morgan's 198 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond and he's writing all about hey, people get 199 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: off their phone in a meeting, and I think to myself, 200 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: why is the CEO thinking about that? Just passing on 201 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: Trump's the same. 202 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: This is very interesting. You mentioned Jamie Diamond because when 203 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: the trade war starts Liberation, Dan so Forth and people 204 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: are really going really tense. And so he goes on 205 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: Fox News Maria Barti, mootro whatever and knows that Trump 206 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: will probably be watching, and he gives a message I 207 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: think to hers have a useful purpose, but I think 208 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: in this instance it could go too far, and it 209 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: should be we should be very careful about it. And 210 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: that's when Trump paused like two hours later. And so 211 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: that is a very smart way to get to go 212 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: to him in a circular way and you can influence 213 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: things at the margins. But there was a quote that 214 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: he gave it just really, what is China going to do? 215 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: He's waiting for Forge to pick up the phone and 216 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: he said, and Trump says, China wants to make a deal. 217 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: They just don't know how quite to go about it. 218 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, really, the arrogance, it's amazing. 219 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: Quite incredible. Bruce, thank you for talking to Fear and Great. 220 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, Sean. 221 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: That was Bruce Walpy. He's seen your fellow non resident 222 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: at the United States Studies cent Up. This is a 223 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: Fear and Great Business interview. 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