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Speaker 1: What ship we've used all that good stuff to jeez,

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Speaker 1: what do we talk about? I know we should have

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Speaker 1: kept the mics on a half an hour ago. Bloody ell,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty hot out there. Maybe we'll do the podcast

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Speaker 1: with our shirts offt.

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Speaker 2: That sounds good.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Between Keys and you, I don't

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Speaker 1: know who'd have the burther rig because you got one

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Speaker 1: of the great rigs.

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Speaker 3: Keys, Dude, I'll tell you what. No one has ever

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Speaker 3: told me that before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I'll take it though year for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen Daddy this shirt off at the main

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Speaker 1: I haven't.

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Speaker 2: You ever seen pulp fiction?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Brother, Actually, that's what I swear. His only movie reference

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Speaker 1: is always you know you obviously have you know, some

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Speaker 1: people might quite good will hunting Dad always baseline always

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Speaker 1: goes back to pulp fiction. You know, and you haven't

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Speaker 1: watched it?

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Speaker 3: No, No, you got to watch it.

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Speaker 2: Do yourself a favor, mate. It is I think in

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Speaker 2: my top three movies. Really why it's just good, incredible,

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Speaker 2: Like the dialogue from Tarantine. Like there's scenes where, say,

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Speaker 2: John Travolda's character and Samuel or Jackson, they just sit

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's in the script. I think he

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Speaker 2: just let him go, and he's like talking about he goes,

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Speaker 2: he goes, he loves it. Quarter pound he goes, quarter pounder.

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Speaker 2: You know what they call it in France. He goes,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, quarter pounder. He goes. No, man, they

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Speaker 2: don't have the metric system. It's called a royale with cheese.

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Speaker 2: Fucking royale with cheese. Really, yeah, I'll turn nothing. They

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Speaker 2: put me and ease on that ship and the French

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Speaker 2: pise get the fuck out of here, and it just keeps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the whole shrip down.

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Speaker 4: He did Butcher those those those words, though they weren't

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Speaker 2: It was a general theme.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not himself today too. He's hungover. He's not

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Speaker 1: usually we apologize, he's not usually hungover for poddies.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm loving the stories that we've already been talking about. Like,

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Speaker 3: I'm really already settled into.

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Speaker 2: This, mister, flight this morning, did you really? Yeah? Because

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Speaker 2: I got up right, had a shower and I went

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Speaker 3: Out of here. You're you're a veteran. You've done this

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Speaker 3: too many times to be doing that thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after thirty years you generally get the hangar feet.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk through some of your footy career,

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Speaker 1: but let's start off at the present. This year seven marathons. Yeah, brother,

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Speaker 3: Have you guys ran a marathon? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I never will?

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Speaker 3: I remember when we were playing footy, a few of

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Speaker 2: So I said, you get programmed to it, you've trained

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Speaker 3: But I love that concept because people talk about like

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Speaker 3: Well, the big part of the project was a few

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Speaker 3: So I think running is obviously the main thing, but

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Speaker 2: Literally when you arrive and you being particularly Tokyo Kyoto

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Speaker 4: If you want to, if you want to actually watch it,

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Speaker 1: The juniors that are coming out of that place, what

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Speaker 2: He was paint House Cubra.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that whole area Goldie is actually

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Speaker 2: Look mate, you're a guest on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Keep Yeah, because you played for the under eightings, Marines

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Speaker 3: party bit of a party life style. But for me,

434
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 3: I didn't get that vibe at all because that was home.

435
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,640
Speaker 3: I had a lot of mates who are from there

436
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 3: round James K and LG. Kevin Procter, We had Connie

437
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 3: Herol was like not that he grew up there, but

438
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,359
Speaker 3: he was definitely a part of the furniture when we

439
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 3: were there, And so I never really got the point

440
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 3: of that it was actually a big party town when

441
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 3: we're when we're in it, yes, we go for beers

442
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,400
Speaker 3: all the time, but it wasn't It wasn't that. If

443
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 3: it was, if I was going to be brutally honest. Yeah,

444
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 3: I think it would would probably be around the stability piece.

445
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 3: Like I imagine having like a like a like a

446
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,680
Speaker 3: Bellamy like for there for like ten years and you've

447
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 3: got that culture and it's ingrain and you know, it's

448
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 3: people talking about hard work and having the family around

449
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 3: and having a really good, like I guess like culture there.

450
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 3: We were kind of up and down. Like you know,

451
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 3: when you go through a club rebuild, it sucks you

452
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 3: having crisis meetings every month.

453
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,360
Speaker 2: You're knocking the house down every couple of years.

454
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 3: It's exhausted.

455
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: Even like not just having a different coach, but completely

456
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: different playbook terminal new coaches come in. It's not like

457
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 1: they change, you know, your mentality, Like they're changing calls,

458
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 1: so that takes adjusting to it. They're changing combinations. They

459
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: might not rate a certain player, so they're they're changing

460
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,959
Speaker 1: people's positions. Like there's a lot of change other than

461
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: just the culture that goes on when you swap out

462
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: a coach, because oftentimes they also sackle the assistance.

463
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 3: With them the whole.

464
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: They want to bring everyone else their own strength and conditions.

465
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest problems with clubs is they

466
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: put all the power in the hands of the head coach,

467
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 2: and the head coach will eventually go well, the head

468
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: coach sometimes sees the riding on the wall. And I'm

469
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 2: not saying they all do it, but oftentimes they'll put

470
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 2: the salary cap out of whack, they'll leave a turd

471
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: under the bed, so to speak, or they'll take the

472
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: football education with them. And that's why it's so important.

473
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 2: Like one of the things at the moment, Scotty Saddler

474
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 2: there who knows his football inside out, the great man,

475
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 2: one of the great men, and you know, and so

476
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 2: the football education, they have all the good things that

477
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 2: one coach will bring bring in he won't allowed to

478
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 2: just disappear. And like if you look at the Warriors,

479
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: the Warriors went through a lot of difficult times. Now

480
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: they're getting stability. Now they're getting consistency because Andrew Webster's

481
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: now going into year three. Yeah, and but for the Warriors,

482
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 2: that's a long stint. There was one period in the

483
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: Warrior's history. I think it was something like twelve coaches

484
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: fourteen years. How can you get continuity, form, combination, all

485
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 2: those things?

486
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 3: Can you get your thoughts on it? As well, because

487
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 3: you know when people have like there's incredible athletes and

488
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: they've been in the sport or in their discipline for

489
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 3: your ten plus years. Think Lebron, Think Tiger Woods, think

490
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 3: all these like ash Party, they've been doing it for

491
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 3: so long, so of course with consistency that it's time.

492
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 3: There's a book by Angela Duckworth called Grit. It's kind

493
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 3: of like passion and perseverance. So it's like doing something

494
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: you love over a long period of time. You look

495
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 3: at these athletes who have incredible success, like the Tom Brady's,

496
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 3: the guys who absolutely christ they've been doing it for

497
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: so long. So I wonder if you apply that logic

498
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 3: to a team environment who you've had the same coach,

499
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: you've had the same, similar system, similar leadership crew. I

500
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: wonder what that would look like. Well, you could obviously

501
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: look you pick out a couple of NRL teams who

502
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: have had that stability.

503
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's in the year we won the company

504
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: nine to ninety seven. We were a group of young

505
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: guys who basically came through simultaneously. We were educated, we

506
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: had the same football education. We came through and we

507
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: had an amazing coach. Then Malcolm really Englishman, and mal

508
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 2: was one of the greatest players English players of all time.

509
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: But he was a man without ego, right, So what

510
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: he did, what happened at the start of that ninety

511
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 2: seven preseason, he had to go home. I think it

512
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: was his mother who passed, so he went home. Now

513
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 2: he let him. He just left to us. He said,

514
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: you you bo like to know the system you need

515
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: to do. He said, you just coach yourselves. So we

516
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: coached ourselves and Malcolm come back for a week and

517
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: then his father. Something happened his dad, so his dad

518
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: went back again. At that same time, Peter Sharp, who

519
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: was our reserve grade coach, he got pached by Paramatta.

520
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: We had effectivety no coaches, but we coached ourselves. And

521
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: when Malcolm came back, you know what he said, He said,

522
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: so what he has been doing? And we said, oh,

523
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: we've gone ABC, we're playing this way. He said, sounds

524
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: great and we believed in it. It was out, you know,

525
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: like and like you were saying, there is so much

526
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: to be said about that.

527
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: Taking it back to your foot because your first experience

528
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: of the clubs with Brisbane Broncos, obviously Wayne Bennett was there,

529
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: your coach. There is that twenty fifteen when they won

530
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: the comp. Your first sort of.

531
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 3: I was under twenty. I think I was seventeen that

532
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: first year, and then the next year was after because after.

533
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: I hear stories of that Bronco that old sort of

534
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: that's sort of that's probably the last era of those

535
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: old Broncos players and young players coming in have always

536
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: sort of said, it's very much like welcome to first Goose,

537
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: like they're not very nice. Those old lads were like now,

538
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: very hard on the young players. Did you experience that.

539
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: I remember like rolling in that these are the guys

540
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 3: that like I looked to. I think Cos made his

541
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 3: debut when he was eighteen. I think it was like

542
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: three or four years old. But when I when I

543
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: rolled in, it was very much of that. But that

544
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: was so tight. It was the exact same review boys

545
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: that a lot of them went through under twenties together,

546
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: like Alex Glann, Josh McGuire, Andrew mccullogg, Dozer, all those

547
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: boys went through together. So that was so tight and

548
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: so being able to get in there, it's it can

549
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 3: be tricky. I remember we're doing wrestling in pre season,

550
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: and you know we're doing like the shark bait and

551
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: trying to fly into each other. Remember Josh McGuire was

552
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: in the middle and I was like eighteen years old

553
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: fly into him and I flew into him and at

554
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: one point I was like, I've got him here, like

555
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 3: I'm going to flip him. And then you know what

556
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: Moosei's like like back then, he.

557
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: Was quite aggressive.

558
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: Man, quite an aggressive man. He like picked me up

559
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: and then just like threw me into the mirror and

560
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: I thought I shattered my ankle. I got up and

561
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, you're sweet. I'm sweet. But

562
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: it was just such like a humbling exercise and there

563
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: were so many times I had a few I tore

564
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: my hamstring and then five times throughout the course of

565
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: like it was nineteen to twenty.

566
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: That could really set your confidence for a lot of people.

567
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: You go torn hamstring, people don't understand. In my opinion,

568
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: that's one of the worst injuries you can have as

569
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: an athlete. It really just drains your confidence.

570
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: It was one of those ones where you like, you

571
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: try and try and get back quickly. For Australian for

572
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: under twenty School under twenty is Australian team. But then

573
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 3: you tear it again and they're like, I'll try, and

574
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: sped out to the recovery and it was just a

575
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: roller coaster of like tearor I'll do the recovery a

576
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 3: little bit longer. I was trying everything, went to the AIS,

577
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: got the best hamstring specialists in Australia, trying to get

578
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: this run. I just couldn't get back. And I remember

579
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 3: on the fifth time I tore it was pre season,

580
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 3: and I remember it was so innocuous. It was just

581
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: a passing drill and I'm fell in the click walking

582
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: off and one of the boys like, mate, if you're

583
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: a horse, would fucking shoot yah? And I was like

584
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: trying to and it was like it was so hard

585
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: because all you want to do his play grade. Like

586
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: I signed that contract with Brons when I was seventeen,

587
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: so as soon as I signed it sort of have

588
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: this thing is like I want to be a first

589
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: grade up so badly, so I put all this pressure

590
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: on myself to try and play grade. Like I remember

591
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 3: Corey Parker, he had this thing he like I think,

592
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,239
Speaker 3: made his debut when he was eighteen and bought his

593
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: first house when he was eighteen. So am I like

594
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: a young immature brain. I'm like, Okay, well, if I

595
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: can make my debut before I'm twenty and buy my

596
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 3: first house before I'm twenty, then like maybe I'll have

597
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: half the career that he had. Like that was the

598
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: way I was justifying it to myself. So I put

599
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: all this pressure to try and play grade, and I

600
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: was getting injured and couldn't play grade. And then you

601
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: look at the whole team in front of you and

602
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: you're like, it's probably going to be pretty hard to

603
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: do that. And the pressure of that as a young

604
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: kid is it's tricky. I see all the time.

605
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: Oh well we still Me and Jack are coaching like

606
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: the SG ball at Manly, and we see it even

607
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: like the amount of kids at that age, even before

608
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: getting into the NRL, Like and I take myself back

609
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: to that age. I remember what it was like like

610
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: being eighteen years of age. You're constantly just comparing yourself

611
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: as a junior to everyone, Like whether it be you,

612
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: don't you he makes a website and you don't, Oh, like,

613
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's better than me. I'm not going to

614
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: make like that's the be all and end all. But

615
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: you don't realize like everyone's on there a different journal.

616
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: Fokes like Nico Hine is a great example, like doesn't

617
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a first grade system, just goes and

618
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: toils away in reserve grade. It makes his debut at

619
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: like twenty three, twenty.

620
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: Four, like that drops.

621
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the amount of time it's now like you

622
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: can really come out of no like a good player

623
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: can come out of nowhere, any system, any kind.

624
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: Well, that's like the Titans. The first thing myself and

625
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: tristed with the Titans. They said when we just sort

626
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: of signed up and did the ownership, they said, it's

627
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: junior junior player parent night. So we'll go and have

628
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: a look. By the way you went up there and say,

629
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: junior play a parent. So these cute little kids are

630
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: all fucking six foot five. Honestly, if me Andrew are

631
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: playing football now, they shoot us out of camp a

632
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: half time.

633
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: That's it.

634
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: But it's a very funny thing though, was like almost

635
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: like one of those things is not just the kids,

636
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 4: with the parents too. They need to like understand too

637
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 4: that the later takes them to actually get there, the

638
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: better the chance is.

639
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: To actually stay.

640
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: Like once your debut and if you're not up to

641
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: it and you're in and out for a number of years.

642
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: Like it's very hard to.

643
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: Try and become a concrete first grader, Like very hard,

644
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 4: day in, day out.

645
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: Very hard to improve. Like on the run that makes

646
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: sense once you're in there. But that night, like when

647
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: we went to that play a parent or not, I'm

648
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: sitting there almost getting peot. Still you're looking at these

649
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: kids because you see him or looking at each other, right,

650
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: and they're sitting there. They're all nervous and they're sweating,

651
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: and you can see him erown each other off. Fuck,

652
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: he looks good. I'm as good as him. All this

653
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: sort of stuff.

654
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: You know, you know what the worst thing is, Like

655
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: I was saying, this is someone the other day being

656
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: young play whether even like under twelves, under thirteens, and

657
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: how you build an opposition player up in your head,

658
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Like I swear everyone's got an experience like this, whether

659
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: you're playing any sport, and it's like, oh, we're coming up.

660
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: We used to have a kid who played against called Zion,

661
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: Right dad, you remember it's talking about Zion under thirteenes Can.

662
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: I give you the first three bout Zion?

663
00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: Right?

664
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: Me tell it? And then you go to jump in

665
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: and take me stories. You know, everyone talks tells about Zion,

666
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: and I will so Zion. He was from Queensland and

667
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: this was under twelves in like the local northern beaches,

668
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: a grade thing. And they go everyone to be looking

669
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: through the registrations. Has Zion signed up for the comp yet?

670
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: And then it would come in Zion and he's like,

671
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: everyone goes, oh, apparently this year he's put on twenty

672
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: more kilos. He's one hundred and ten kilos and he

673
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: runs one hundred meters in eleven seconds. Remember how like

674
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: who gets those stats at a thirteen year old that

675
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: he can run?

676
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: Even gaming already that game when you played Zion the

677
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: first time, all the boys, all they're talking about was Zion, Zion, Zion.

678
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: And I did the thing. I said, listen, boys, listen,

679
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: look at the end of the day, he will be

680
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: the ore the heart of day fall. And like everyone

681
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: builds his thing up about these big kids, I'm telling you,

682
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: when they get the end of the day, you know

683
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: he won't. It's all built. It's all myth, you know. Anyway,

684
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: So well, these two people walk in right and sure

685
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: enough I'm looking at Zion and mate is like I said,

686
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: he's a big kid. But I said, look, there iss

687
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: not that big. They went, it's the person next to him.

688
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: I said, oh, it was his dad.

689
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: He was a.

690
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: I had to go to the opposition coach at halftime

691
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: and said, he brother, just you the favor. Let him

692
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 2: play a few minutes and take him off, mate, like

693
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 2: he was just charging through and you mate, someone's going

694
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: to get hurt. And it's not Zion.

695
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: The boys were doing that. You know that that, I'll that,

696
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: I'll do your check. When someone's running at you, you run,

697
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: you let him go through, run alongside him and then

698
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: try to get him from behind him where.

699
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: To go like that called the bus Shiloh big. Everyone

700
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: called him the bus because everyone would jump on him

701
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: and we were like underrated. He was the biggest kid ever.

702
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: I remember we're talking before we had Brad thorn On

703
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: earlier in the year. Anyway, Thorny like, mate, you can't

704
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: give me Laso and all those blokes all the time,

705
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: you know. And but before I Thorny Thorny, when he'd

706
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: run out on your inside shoulder. He was just all

707
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: hips and norbos and knees. I remember playing them one

708
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: night and it was sort of getting on back end

709
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: of the year, you sort of feel a little bit tired.

710
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: And what I remember running tackling, and honestly, it was

711
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: like there was an explosion went off in my body.

712
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: And I'm not proud to say it that by by

713
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: halfway through the second half, I was dead set just

714
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: putting the arm out. I wasn't putting my body in front.

715
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: And I was shamed to say it, but it's just

716
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: fucking mate. It was like Chinese water toy.

717
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: It's giving, it's giving, like Nelson vibes as well. I

718
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: remember there was a trial game in Sonny Cave you're playing.

719
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: It might have been a bit earlier. Nelson was coming

720
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: off the back fans and I was like, in my way, okay,

721
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and jam here, maybe get under

722
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: his ribs. He puts his elbow out, clicked me in

723
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 3: the throat and this is off a forty meter run up,

724
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: and so I couldn't breathe for field like two three sads,

725
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: and I thought I was going to be like Keavy

726
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: Proctor or Darren lockyow with my with my throat. It

727
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: was one of the most gnaliest tried tacklesaved.

728
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking before about training hard, like you know,

729
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Thorny told an amazing story here because he was talking about,

730
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: you know, with Madge and the spear buckets. And Thorny went,

731
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: he said, when I read all the stuff about the

732
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: spear buckets, he said, I just went, mate, the kidd

733
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: you know you said us broncos when we won competitions,

734
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: we trained hard. That'll bloke called Kelvin Giles mate. And

735
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: they used to say. Laurie Dailey when he was at

736
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: camera said mate, he's only to make me spew in

737
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 2: the gym. He said it was full on. But Thorny

738
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: told the story, he said, and sparkd my memory. He

739
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: said about doing ten k runs. He said when he

740
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: went there in ninety four. He said, he went in

741
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: the first grade squad and he said one of the

742
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: first training sessions, he looks like an alf and Kevy

743
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: and that they're they're they're vomiting right, and it's before training.

744
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: And he said to one of the blokes, oh, they're vomiting,

745
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: you know, like have they trained already? He goes, no, no, no,

746
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: they know what's coming.

747
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

748
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you how was your interaction with Wayne Bennett

749
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: at Bronx.

750
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wayne's really funny. It's a different tart, like I

751
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: looked up to it, Like I really liked Wayne when

752
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: I was there. There's so many funny, like little stories

753
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: that he does that and that sure in there you

754
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: just didn't know, Like just walks around nude all the time.

755
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: Like as a young yeah you know, no comment.

756
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: And I open he does it on purpose, especially to

757
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: the young kids. When you're like just to be sitting

758
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: there and he puts his leg up, you just don't

759
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: know what's coming. Jack, did you back that up?

760
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: Was he nude?

761
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: Not nude? But I do like the basic instinct reference.

762
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: First thing that comes to mind. But Wayne was so

763
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: good at bringing crew together, like I did a we

764
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: did a podcast with Joy Arrow last week and Joy's

765
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: been around Wayne like ages at Bronx and then at

766
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: South as well, and he's just like, man, he's just

767
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: so good at just bringing people together, like outside of

768
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: the footy, he's just so good at that. But when

769
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: I was with Wayne, I was I was like seventeen, eighteen,

770
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: nineteen years old, so I was like the young kids

771
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: your way, I may I reckon, first year in being

772
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: in the system, reckon. I didn't say a word I

773
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: was so nervous, Like I think he called me Kieran

774
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: for the first year.

775
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: It's got to be a tactic.

776
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: Did you do it a lot? Has he done that before?

777
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I guess his names.

778
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: Roll he went up to when Lewis Dodd when he

779
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: first got out, he went out to Lewis Dodd and said,

780
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: who the hell are you.

781
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that when you first get into a

782
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: thing and there's a there's a coach who's got like

783
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: a significant aura, Like I used to try to stay

784
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: out of belly K's way, like the first sort of

785
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: year I reckon, but I sort of knew him beforehand

786
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: because you'd done some coaching down the dad. So but

787
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: I was still like equally as nervous, like even when

788
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: I was having a meeting to sign down there and

789
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: Christian Welch like got me with a beauty one day.

790
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, belly got some clips for you

791
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: in his office. He wants to go and see you.

792
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: And I've just cold call walked into belly K's office, like, Bell,

793
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: you got some clips for me. Bell's just like no,

794
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't, And I'm just sitting there like awkwardly, like

795
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to eat it up and I

796
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh, sorry, welch. He told me that you

797
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: had some, and then he just cut me off and goes,

798
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: can you get out? Look I'm doing.

799
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: Was very humbling.

800
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: My first training session at the Knights, the first grade.

801
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: We went to the pub afterwards. That's what used to happen.

802
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: You train three days a week together. Part after this

803
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: is nine and eighty nine. Anyway, that's right, Jurassic Park,

804
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: not long Man's Well, I know that anyway. So I've mate,

805
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: I've got the end. I've gone, oh, I'm going to

806
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: go now and I've gone out. I've gone fun Where

807
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: are my keys? Where are my keys? I've locked the

808
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: keys in the car. So I've gone. I had to

809
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: go back in and say to the first go coach, Hey,

810
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: David Waite, Hey, here you going a lot? I've locked

811
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: the keys in the car. He goes, what the fuck

812
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: am I going to do about? I said, oh, do

813
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: you know anyone that can help me? As fucking help?

814
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: What type of car is it? And I panicked and

815
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: I went, oh, oh, oh a sedan? Anyway? Can we

816
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: go out? I? Yes? The team manager goes out, goes

817
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: out in the car, which one is it someone there

818
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: in a silver Kmia and he comes out agether right,

819
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: I just oh, he gues, mate's got one of those

820
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: fucking they're hard to get mate, until we're going to

821
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: have to do gets going to take the door off. Anyway,

822
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: he's halfway through taking the door off, and I've looked

823
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: and there's a car looking in this this car identical

824
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: to mine next to your I went, oh, fuck, that

825
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: is mine. It's the wrong car. Sorry, mate, My whole

826
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: for the whole tenure that he was, he just every

827
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: time he every day he would come up and gain

828
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: what type of car is.

829
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: This loser coming through?

830
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: That's that's nearly enough to get caught, like that is

831
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: nearly enough to get completely cut. Army camp. Did you

832
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: want a Bronx?

833
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: Uh?

834
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah I did want a Bronx, only got one

835
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: in when I was there. But good times brood.

836
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't, I swear you never. Like there's always

837
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: so many funny stories that come out of an Army camp.

838
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: Did you guys have a winner of that one?

839
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: Like?

840
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Did you guys?

841
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: No? No, I know what you mean. No, I don't

842
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: think as was just an overnight we were just like

843
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: adding that barracks in Brisbane. I remember there was only

844
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: one time. There was one time we were like, I

845
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: think we're sorting rice or the white rice between the

846
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: brown rice. Did you ever do that? Yeah? And then

847
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: you might do it for hours and then they'll come

848
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: through and they'll just like mush it all together pretty much.

849
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: But there was one time where I think we had

850
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: this guy forgot his name, who's this big, like really

851
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: intimidating guy and he used to always scare scare the

852
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: shit out of me. And I think it was like

853
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: him James Roberts, and then like Gy Arrow. And then

854
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: I think James and one of the boys were just

855
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: like bickering, and I think like maybe snapped at one

856
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: of the Army camp guys and the guy's like, Okay,

857
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: that's it. We're not doing anymore. No one's getting fired,

858
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: no one's getting anything. It was this big, big ordeal

859
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: and then they said, look, if you go and like

860
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: apologized to the Army camp guy, then we'll give you

861
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: all a kick cat. It was like some some sort

862
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: of mind. But remember I think it was Jimmy the

863
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: j and the Arrow was sitting there like crying. It's like, Shimmy,

864
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: please just go get the quick caut. I was like,

865
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: I remember, like that was the one thing that stood

866
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: out to me so much. I was just like, oh yeah,

867
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that. But it's just like so fun

868
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: Like it's so hard when you're in it, but then

869
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: when as soon as you get back and you just

870
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: start laughing. Like remember when I was crying, it was

871
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: just good. It's good.

872
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: It's so funny. How like something in the moment is

873
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: not funny at all, Like no one would have been

874
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: laughing during that moment, but then as soon as you

875
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: get out of it, it's so funny.

876
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: But we did a fifty k hike when I was

877
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: at the Titans when Garth Brendan was there and we

878
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: had like the coaching staff and then we had the

879
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: whole team. It was like five pm night.

880
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: I remember that when you said that. Remember the video

881
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: they made a video from it?

882
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe I don't know. Actually maybe it was a

883
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: different one. Anyway, we was a fifty k hike overnight,

884
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: and it was supposed to be one of those things

885
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: where it brings like the coaching staff and the players

886
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 3: together and yeah, so we're all going through it and

887
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: then by I think like Klumra to thirty. All the

888
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: coaching staff had tapped out, and there was probably like

889
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: and it was just and it was just like the

890
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: staff left and I remember, like I remember Brenda was

891
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: just like in the in the back of the van

892
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: and like one of the boys started going no, no, no, no,

893
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: like the time. Yeah, And it was just one of

894
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: those things thinking like one of this is one of

895
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: the things that like kind of lose the team a

896
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: little bit. And like, with all due respect, like we

897
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: lost right at the end of the day. Yea, with

898
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: all due respect.

899
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: We had Jesse Williams on you know called Jesse who

900
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: played Seattle Seahawks and whatnot. He was saying, going to

901
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: the university down Alabama into Settle had to do the

902
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: combine and you went in the combine. We see it

903
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: from here when they go there for the draft. We're

904
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: all the scouts watching that forty minutes sprint, bench press,

905
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: all those things. One thing we I didn't realize about

906
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: it or it's not publicized. He said, through it you sloop

907
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: your deprivation, and they under foger like you said, literally

908
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 2: you're starving, hungry and you've had no sloop and it's

909
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: just a rudder see how you operate under pressure. Yeah,

910
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: it is.

911
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: Why did you bring that up?

912
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: Because talking about.

913
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but even like sleeping, like I'm very well

914
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: to be honest, Like now we're doing like the marathons

915
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: for this year, but that ultra Ultra endurance races, Ultra marathon,

916
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 3: multi day races. Those are the things that are really

917
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: interesting me at the minute. Like I think after this

918
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: year of doing the seven marathons, i think I'll probably

919
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: end up trying my hand at like an ultra.

920
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: So is the ultra. It's like you have to do

921
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: a certain amount each day.

922
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: So an ultra is a like like standard. The standard

923
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 3: is like it's anything longer than a marathon. But then

924
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: you can do like multi day ultras, which is like

925
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: might be like a two hundred and fifty kilometer race,

926
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: three hundred kilometer race like two three days, depend depends

927
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: how long you want to do it. There was I've

928
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: read a few friends on the podcast, like Montana Farra, Seaton,

929
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: Bennie Seymour, this a girl called Jackie Bell. They do

930
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: like these really incredible races and they do it like

931
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: on pretty much no sleep. Have you heard the mo

932
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: app to fifty It's like a race over in the States.

933
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: I think it's maybe Utah, Arizona, beautiful like beautiful landscape,

934
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 3: but two hundred and fifty miles, so like five five

935
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: hundred kilometers and essentially they're just running. This called Courtney

936
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: Joe Alta, who woned a couple of years go by

937
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: ten hours, and so she was on Joe Rogan's podcast

938
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: talking about it, like how did you win? What'd you do?

939
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: And she said she was running through it. I think

940
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: she went through the first like twenty four hours of

941
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: just like running, and then she was running all over

942
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: the shop and then her pacer said you needed to

943
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: go and have a rest. Anyway, she tried to lay down,

944
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: she couldn't fall asleep just because she was so pumped

945
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: on adrenaline and whatnot. So she got up. She thinks

946
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: she ran for another couple of hours, same thing, like hallucinating,

947
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: was seeing like saxophones in the trees and all these

948
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: really wild things. And then her pacer said you need

949
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: to sleep, and she said, okay, but only let me

950
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: sleep for one minute. And he's like, what you sure.

951
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: It's like I don't want to lose the pace, Like

952
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: just let me sleep for one minute. So she closed

953
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: her eyes and she reckoned. She had the best sleep

954
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 3: of her life, and the you know, the pacer woke

955
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: her up and she's like, what.

956
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Are you doing?

957
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: Like it felt like at a ten hour sleep, like

958
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: I just had this shoe sleep and he's like, it's

959
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: been one minute, no way, yeah, nally so. And then

960
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: so she got up. She felt so refreshed after that minute,

961
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: and she just boosted it and there she won the

962
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 3: mar of two fifty five hundred race by like ten hours.

963
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: It's funny you say, like the minute. I remember even

964
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: when we did our army camp was over three days

965
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: and that was no sleep, but we could get like

966
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: you could get little micro sleeps like five ten minutes

967
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: when they'd take you from one location to the next place.

968
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: And same thing, like I remember I had a ten

969
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: minute sleep once. Ye they made you write an essay

970
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: on the bus trying to keep you awake, and I

971
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: finished it really quick and then tried to get to sleep,

972
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: got like ten minutes and same thing. It was like, oh,

973
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: that was like the most refreshing sleep because they say

974
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes or twenty minutes if you have an

975
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: AVO nap, they reckon that's like the best thing for you.

976
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of those guys in those like multi

977
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: day events, they they'll only do a ten minute nap. Yeah,

978
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes.

979
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Well they say, you do.

980
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 4: Like they were now making you write the essays to

981
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: everyone had lines through there because.

982
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, while people would they'd write an essay like

983
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, what's the you know, who's your hero, it's

984
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: got to be a exactly three hundred and fifty word

985
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: essay anymore any less, Like everyone's going penalties, so people

986
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: are like trying to account their numbers, trying to count

987
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: their letters on there. But then like so afterwards, look,

988
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: they didn't even read it, Like they didn't even read

989
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: the essays because they're poorly written, like they're in a

990
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: real players right and.

991
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: Knows my story anyway?

992
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not then and then so where all so

993
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 5: they gave you papers back at the end and you're

994
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: going through and because everyone's like as they're writing it,

995
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 5: they're falling asleep.

996
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: So there was just not even the boys care read

997
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: their own head writing. So it'd be like, you know,

998
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: on today, I woke up and then it'd just be

999
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: like they'd fall asleep and you'd see that the pennink

1000
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: would just go running. There'd just be like thirty streaks

1001
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: running down the page as the boys would be falling

1002
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: asleep for like a second and then wake themselves back

1003
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: up and keep writing.

1004
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: In the best place you've ever been could traveling?

1005
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 3: Yep, Mate. When I finished up, I did a walk

1006
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: through Portugal and Spain. It's called the Camino, said the boys.

1007
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: I'd love to do it with it.

1008
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: You should, it's so cool. There's different routes. I think

1009
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: that was like three hundred and thirty ks through Portugal

1010
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: in Spain, and there was this one little place at

1011
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: the top of Span called San Sebastian, San Sabashian to

1012
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: compose you've been sick, little surfing town. We stayed in

1013
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: the surfing hostel. It was like one of those places

1014
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: where we've got like awesome waves. They have this old

1015
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: they think called old town where it's like all the

1016
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: pinchos or the food or the drinks. And Mate just

1017
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: settled in there and one of the best places that.

1018
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: Portugal enjoy Portugal.

1019
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: Portugal was cool. Portugal was really cool. I think we

1020
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: ended up surfing a place called Mick Mick something just

1021
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: outside of Porto. I would have loved to check out

1022
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: like Nazare, not to surf it, but like just be

1023
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: there and see.

1024
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: I think that would have been It's really interesting, you're

1025
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: when you look and like I look at Spain and

1026
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: it gives you an idea of tribes of the world

1027
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: because you go from France. From France and everything you

1028
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: know is fairly lash and green, and literally as you

1029
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: cross the Spanish border, everything changes. You go from people

1030
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: who are socially socialists into a county. I find the

1031
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: Spanish and I mean they've had a blood in history

1032
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: quite harsh and and the other thing about Spain is

1033
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: you've got the bus You've got the castiles, you've got Tolonians,

1034
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: and so you know there's always that, you know, that

1035
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: friction in the bars for a lot, and then separatists

1036
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: and things like that is something for you. There's only

1037
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: two countries in the world that don't have the woods

1038
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: dull national youth, and one is Cossava and the other

1039
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: one Spain, because they can't decide on the woods.

1040
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: Really, yes, it is what are they humming?

1041
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: Spain is a country only.

1042
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: That's the thing I'm looking at. I've just had to

1043
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: look down at the Rundown. I went when did when

1044
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: did it ever? Had Spain facts and asking him where

1045
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: Really it just goes so Rode like this.

1046
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: I like it.

1047
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: Hey, he's a wild card.

1048
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. There was also a really good spot Western Australia. Yeah,

1049
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: if you can get over to, like Margaret River or

1050
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: like esperands Man. We just got back from there at

1051
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: the end of the last year. We did like I

1052
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: did a half iron Man there at the end of

1053
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: last year and then we went Trouble with Margaret River afterwards.

1054
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: It was beautiful.

1055
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: What's the culture of Western Australia there? But like I mean, effectively,

1056
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: you know, like if if if we're if the Australian continents,

1057
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: you we're basically going from eastern Europe right over to

1058
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: far western Europe, you know what I mean?

1059
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: Like that that distance.

1060
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: Do you find the culture of Western Australia different to

1061
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: the East.

1062
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: It's very relaxed, Yeah, very relaxed. I imagine it's probably

1063
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 3: what Newcastle and Gold Coast would have been like twenty

1064
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: years ago.

1065
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 6: Imagine how do you think they'll handle having a rugby

1066
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 6: league sight there? Yeah, it's very all dominated. Everyone loves

1067
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 6: afl over there, so I don't know, but beautiful Beach

1068
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 6: is great ones.

1069
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: I think they should have been the Quakers, that's what

1070
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, those Quakers the animals over in wa.

1071
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: That's probably the most ridiculous thing ever.

1072
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: So left field, you're just like your.

1073
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: Old Yeah, it must be contagious, your.

1074
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Like can you were you at the Gold Coast Titans

1075
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: when Jared Hayne came back from the NFL, or when

1076
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: he was already.

1077
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: There he yeah, he was there. He was there in

1078
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: my debut game.

1079
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no way, Yeah, how was that was that whole

1080
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: experiencing come back from there? Because I still remember I

1081
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: was at school when he came back from the forty

1082
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: nine ers to the Titans. And but even when he

1083
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: was at the forty nine's, we would be in science

1084
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: class and we'd be watching, like as soon as somebody

1085
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: had the highlights of his preseason game would come out,

1086
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: we'd all be sitting there watching his punk returns like

1087
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: in school. Must have been some star on the Gold

1088
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Coast then.

1089
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think like the aura about him

1090
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 3: when at that time was pretty pretty big. I didn't

1091
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: have a lot to do with him because I did

1092
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 3: a mid season transfer from Brisbane to Goldie. So by

1093
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: the time I got in there, he was like, I

1094
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: think it was his last year at I think he

1095
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: was shitty checked out. But I remember when I made

1096
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: my debut, he was just I think he said like

1097
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: I think he put me aside, and it was just like, dude,

1098
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: I really like, really enjoy this moment. And I think

1099
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 3: that was the only thing that really stuck in there.

1100
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: But all the police would just say how terribly he was.

1101
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: It like preseason.

1102
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: Ridiculously just stroll around you watching highlights of his pre eddies.

1103
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy.

1104
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: I don't like just so many people are like, oh,

1105
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, he was a big deal over in America,

1106
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: and then you chat to Americans and they go, who's

1107
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: Sharon Han? Like, it wasn't as big a deal as

1108
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: I think Australians make it out to be. Like some

1109
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: parts know, but it wasn't as big I'm pretty sure

1110
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: because so many people.

1111
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: Well, Coop, I'll stop you there. I was in San

1112
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Francisco not long after he started playing, and there were

1113
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: hayin It was preseason and there were Haynes thirty eight

1114
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: jerseys in shops there. He did have an impact because

1115
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: I was coming off a couple of really difficult seasons,

1116
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: and when he went there, they were like genuinely genuinely

1117
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: excited because he was, like it was just an amazing story.

1118
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: Here's this guy coming out like from Australia in a

1119
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: code that really never heard of and just lit it up.

1120
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: But it was big here, Like it was so huge

1121
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: because there was people like I didn't even watch the

1122
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: NFL back then in school, but everyone in my school

1123
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: was watching the preseason game just to see Jared Haynes.

1124
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 3: Who do you reckon? Would crush over in the NFL?

1125
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: From the NFL now, I don't know at the moment.

1126
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: I said to Jack the other day we were watching

1127
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, and it occasionally gives you an end

1128
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: on shot. It gives you an idea how the spacings work.

1129
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: I said, Slater could have I reckoned Slater would have

1130
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: been a freakish running back because number one, like his

1131
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: spoedon and agility. He's full like just the way he

1132
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: moved in space, but sickly he's intelligence like he would

1133
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: I have got no doubt he would have made it.

1134
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: You know, he would have been a great like tight

1135
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: end Greg English, just that so powerful, you know, I

1136
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: like you look like Gronken Kelsey like somebody who's like

1137
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: and he's I would say he was even as a runner.

1138
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: He's more athletic than those guys too.

1139
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: Well let's see example there when Haynes was there the

1140
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: San Francisco San Francisco Chronicle, a bloke through the thing

1141
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: reached out Fox Sports from this bloke wants to speak

1142
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: some We're going to throw them your way, talk about

1143
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, rugby league. You wanted to know about the game,

1144
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: and he said, he said, Jared would clearly be the

1145
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: best player in rugby league. And I know he's an

1146
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: elite player, but he got all these blokes probably be

1147
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: ahead of him. And he goes really and I said yeah,

1148
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: I said, look typing Greg Engless and I watched you

1149
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: go and have with his highlights and test me back

1150
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: and went, holy fuck.

1151
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: Bulldogs post the other day of Maddy Burton kicking those

1152
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: crazy the meter goal like man crazy.

1153
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: What about my Cardige doesn't get some purchase.

1154
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: On Yeah, he must have big foot, he must have

1155
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: they reckon.

1156
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: His feet are like huge, but they reckon they're really flat.

1157
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: Sure you know what I mean? Like those you know,

1158
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: look at my they got the dogs out now see

1159
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: how they're curled. I got curl toes, I reckon his

1160
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: there is just like flat, just like the earth, and

1161
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: they're just completely flat to the ground.

1162
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: They're really dissecting this.

1163
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 2: When he does a torpie, those torpie bombs, it's like

1164
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: I watch and it's almost like you look and it's

1165
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: just got more purchase on the ball. The ball almost

1166
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: stays on his foot longer and then it just rips off.

1167
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: Bends around his foot.

1168
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: It does. That's exactly what I was looking from.

1169
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: You know, those flat feet two moments from ale to

1170
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: go in the army. Now, certainly, no, it wouldn't be

1171
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: able to you can't. They don't take people with flat feet.

1172
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: I remember you've told that fact before. You told me obviously,

1173
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: look a video that always circulates around and of you, Kegan.

1174
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: There's two pretty special moments, the two moments you probably

1175
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be remembered for. But and I know

1176
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: you're going to explain this out to Dad who probably

1177
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: hasn't seen it, but you are dry humping pain half

1178
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: from behind in an NRL game. Does this come up much?

1179
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 3: It comes up every time we do a podcast. Really,

1180
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: it comes up every any type of sporting podcast, it

1181
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: always comes up.

1182
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: That's my favorite because it always circulates on social media.

1183
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: And I know because Jimmy Dimmick was or wrestle coach

1184
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: up there at the time.

1185
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: I would love to flesh this out with you.

1186
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so no, because he so basically what happens is

1187
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: and he taught us the same move. So if someone backs,

1188
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: if a wing or a big body backs into the

1189
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: line and you're a sort of holding them from behind,

1190
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: you're supposed to like bang your hips in like you're

1191
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: humping them, bang your hips in like you're humping them.

1192
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: And then as like you pushing their hips forward, brings

1193
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: their sort of head back and then you Jack, I'm

1194
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 1: just talking to leave it down. It sort of puts

1195
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: your head out and then you can take him to

1196
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: the ground. But Keegan, you did it on pain Hash

1197
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: quite a large body, and it looked like and when

1198
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: you see the video, Jack's got it ready to go.

1199
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: When you see the video, it looks like he's trying

1200
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: to give him a prostat exam like it's quite horrific.

1201
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: When he does.

1202
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: It, he's the wind up. Really, anyone, the slow mo

1203
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 3: doesn't help me at all, does it? It's so aggressive

1204
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: so well, but it's so funny that you've been in

1205
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 3: the same environment as Jimmy Dimmy know, because I'm glad

1206
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 3: you said, because people would look at that. Dude. I

1207
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: came home to my partner at that time and she

1208
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: was just like, what are you doing? Like, She's like,

1209
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Like this is like, this isn't it?

1210
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: And I was had to explain that this is a

1211
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: wrestling move like a coach Jimmy Jimmy. She's like, yeah, right,

1212
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: like that's fair. But it was mate. I remember when

1213
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: it first happened, same thing. Pain is such a big guy.

1214
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: I was like, this is it. This is exactly what

1215
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: we've trained for. I'm ready for this moment. Tried to

1216
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: prop him up and he's just so bid. I was like, okay,

1217
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: one pump didn't work, so I had to go again.

1218
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: Then he just that went down and we went back

1219
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: into the sheds. At the end of the game, one

1220
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: of the boys is like, dude, check your check socials,

1221
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: check Instagram, and I think like one of the one

1222
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: of the NRL pages put it up, one of like

1223
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: the joke pages, and it just went went nice. And

1224
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 3: I don't have I don't have many highlights in my career,

1225
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: and that's like one of the ones.

1226
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: That but it always circulates like it always circles back

1227
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: around every now and then. But I remember when we

1228
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: were practicing that move with Jimmy, he mentioned that. He

1229
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he brought it up on the restaurants

1230
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: at Manly. He was like, oh, because the boys obviously

1231
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: felt so uncomfortable with doing it, like you're doing it

1232
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: slower training and it did feel like you're humping your

1233
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: mate from behind. And he was like, oh, you should

1234
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: You guys should google the kick and hip grave videos.

1235
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the great guys, jim He is

1236
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: one of the best best go black belt in jiu

1237
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: jitsu as well.

1238
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: It was a brown belt when we were there, but

1239
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: I'm pretty I could almost guarantee that he be a

1240
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 3: black belt.

1241
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: Well, his brother Milton is a black belt, so he

1242
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: used to be our He was the main wrestle coach

1243
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: at Monty and there him and Jimmy would come to

1244
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 1: it together.

1245
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea. His nick name used to be called him

1246
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: the Junkyard Dog. And remember he used to walk into

1247
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: Sidney King's game, you know the Sydney you have heard of,

1248
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: like called Rodney. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'd be like Kegan,

1249
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: how are you dude?

1250
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1251
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: And he used to be the announcer and every time

1252
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: Jimmy used to walk into Sydney King and go the

1253
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: gentleman dogs in the house.

1254
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: And you know what's so good? I love when when

1255
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: Jimmy laughs, when you make him laugh and he's like

1256
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: he holds his heart.

1257
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 3: Exactly what.

1258
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: Ah? Yeah?

1259
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he is done coaching, can you nah?

1260
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: No? To be honest, mate, Like I I really liked

1261
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: my time at footy, but it's not really something I

1262
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: like a lot of guys really enjoy going the coaching

1263
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 3: path and doing that stuff. But even when I was

1264
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: in it, Like I liked rugby league, but I didn't

1265
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: love rugby league. I wasn't. I wasn't completely obsessed. I

1266
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: was I was really I love the idea of like

1267
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: getting better at something. I love the community. I love

1268
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: like trying to be the best at your chosen thing.

1269
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: I like that, But for me, it's it's not the

1270
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: space I want to knock around.

1271
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: Who was growing up and just in general.

1272
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: Paul Harrigan, Yeah, yeah, Chief. I think it's just because

1273
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: he like we were so close growing up. I feel

1274
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 3: like we got to know him on like a bit

1275
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 3: more of an intimate level, like and everyone around him

1276
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: obviously like speaks so highly of him, and they talk

1277
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: about how hard he played on like how hard he

1278
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 3: played in the game, but then also how good of

1279
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: a person he was off the field, Like he'd be

1280
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: playing touch footy with like twenty of us kids on

1281
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: the sand at Crescent when we were like five, six,

1282
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: seven years old, and like there's a photo like me

1283
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: sitting on his lap at like Crescent had a country

1284
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 3: club when I was like four years old or five

1285
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: years old, and so and so everyone talks about that.

1286
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: So when I was like, oh, what kind of person

1287
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: do I want to be? What kind of player do

1288
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 3: I want to be? I was like, well, I want

1289
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: to be like a pretty hard, aggressive style of player,

1290
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: but I also want to be like a pretty good

1291
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: person off the field as well. That's kind of like

1292
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: how I looked at it.

1293
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: He's a great man. I look sometimes at clubs and

1294
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: they have like leadership groups or they have two captains,

1295
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: and I just got I don't get it, Like we

1296
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: had one captain. He was the chief. He was literally

1297
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: the chief. And he's he's such an unbelievable guy, such

1298
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: a well meaning guy. I've never I've never seen I've

1299
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: never seen him turn his back on anyone. I've never

1300
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: seen him knock an He went back for an autograph.

1301
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: He's a really amazingly sensitive guy too. Like he when

1302
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: he first come into Grave Mate, he was fucking wiping

1303
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: everyone out right, and it was a fair bit of

1304
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: friendly fire. There was a guy called Paul Marquette and

1305
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: he hit it. I played the Broncos and he went

1306
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: to Jim Laser, I think, and Chief's eye. Chief's finger

1307
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: went basically broke his finger on the back of Peppy's eye,

1308
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 2: took his eye out. But played a game in ninety

1309
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: two and he knocked out an English player. His name

1310
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: was Ian Lucas and Lucas was out for about fifteen minutes.

1311
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: Never played again, and Chief for the following years. For

1312
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 2: a few years he used to hold back a little

1313
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: bit and he used to say, come on, Chief, he go, Chimpie,

1314
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: I just don't want to do that evertall person again.

1315
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: And then I remember, and I used to see blokes.

1316
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: It was almost like they picked up on it, the

1317
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: opposition players, and they come in to give it the

1318
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: Chief fight and Chief, you just grab him and pull

1319
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 2: him in. I remember for the ninety seven Grand Final,

1320
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: kill you and he was never a guy who talked tough.

1321
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: He was never that guy. Remember pulling us into the circle.

1322
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: We're just about to run out and he said, boys,

1323
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: today I fucking unload. No one gets sent off in

1324
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: a Grand Final. And we just went right, it's on.

1325
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: But he was just There was something they showed the

1326
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: other day. Actually it was I did a face to

1327
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: face Ray Halley talking about that ninety seven Grand Final

1328
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: and they found vision that I've never seen. And if

1329
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: you go back and have a look that there's a

1330
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: scene where we beat in allth Sydney to get into

1331
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: the Grand Fire. And I don't remember this at the time,

1332
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: but they're showing the vision and Chief gets off the

1333
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: bus right and there's all these fans there, a lot

1334
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: of the old ladies who support and he got off

1335
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: and he went, guys, I just want to say this.

1336
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: I just cannot tell you how much it means to

1337
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: us that you follow us everywhere and everything. Now, guys, look,

1338
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: I can't guarantee we're going to win next weekend. It's

1339
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: mainly but I tear what we're going to do her

1340
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: very best for you, right, And it was just so genuine.

1341
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: You see people sometimes addressed.

1342
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: Fans, you know who it reminds me of like when

1343
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: they speak and you just know, like it doesn't matter

1344
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: what comes out of her mouth because it's so genuine.

1345
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: Jake Borovich, you know when Jakie speaks and it's like

1346
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: so honest and so well like it's not just like

1347
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to go out there and do

1348
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: our bet, like it's coming from such a loving r

1349
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: sorry for you and you just want to cuddle him.

1350
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: When But tell me more about Chief, because like I

1351
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: only knew him as like the dad, as the parent,

1352
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: as a guy that would come and play with us,

1353
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: Like he's the type of guy that, like we lost

1354
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: my granddad a couple of years ago the Gold Coast,

1355
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 3: just for the funeral, Like this is just the type

1356
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: of guy he is. We had an awesome chat there,

1357
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: but from like a teammate like mate point of view,

1358
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 3: how how did you find him?

1359
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: Like what was the loved him? Yeah? We just yeah,

1360
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: that group blades were really close and he was the

1361
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: one really bound us together. So it's talking about a

1362
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: little like a couple of really quick story, isn't it,

1363
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: which I think sums him up. As we're leaving Newcastle

1364
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: to get on the highway or at West Walls End,

1365
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: there was about probably ten thousand people just lined on

1366
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: the streets and this bloke held up a sign one

1367
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: more round, one more round, and I remember, Chief can

1368
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: sure talk about this is bad? Remember, Chief broke it.

1369
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,439
Speaker 2: He broke into tears, and he turned around and said,

1370
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: there's no fucking way we're coming back into this town, losers.

1371
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: And then we went down and I remember the night

1372
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: before the game and we had a meeting as a

1373
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: term and it was just everyone's just everyone wanted to

1374
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: be somewhere else. I want together, movies or whatever, you know,

1375
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: and we're having dinner and he can up and said, Chimp,

1376
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: that was just shit, you know. He said we've got

1377
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: to well, we've got to just have a moon and

1378
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: just the boys, and I went, oh, Chief, anyway, he

1379
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: just he had his way and he said, right, everyone

1380
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: in the room, just just the players. He got in

1381
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: there and he just ran fucking right. Everyone going to

1382
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: go through the room and everyone's got to talk about

1383
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: what it needs to win this fucking game. And I

1384
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: remember the last bloke it got to remarked Lenville, and

1385
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: and MG was a bloke. He submitted himself. He's just

1386
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: a cold, hard pro. He used to say, if they

1387
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: didn't pay me, I wouldn't play, and it was. He

1388
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: was one of the first guys ever signed for the Knights,

1389
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: and I remember it was his last ever game for

1390
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: the club. And I remember when he goes, MG, you're last,

1391
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: and we're sitting there and we can't there's no sound

1392
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: in the room. And then we turned around. He was crying,

1393
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: and I remember Joey jumped on the bat and said,

1394
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: we fucking got him. We've won. And I remember that feeling,

1395
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, and that's chief now that that's that's that's

1396
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: a captain man.

1397
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing that. I love. I love hearing those

1398
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: stories because I don't like we didn't get to play

1399
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 3: with him, we didn't get to see him in that

1400
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: time when we're so young. She'd be able to hear

1401
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 3: those stories is really beautiful, So thanks me.

1402
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: It's a great man.

1403
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: It makes you want to like, it makes you want

1404
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: to play with a ball like that because it literally

1405
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: I I can feel the emotion through you. But it's

1406
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: also like to have someone there who brings everyone together

1407
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: like that, it's so leaning into a grand.

1408
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 3: Far not even just in footy, but just in fucking life.

1409
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 3: You know, Like they're the type of people that you

1410
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: want in your circles and you gravitate towards you know

1411
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like footy is a time of our lives,

1412
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 3: as we know that will come and go, but like

1413
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 3: we've got so much more time. It's like the people

1414
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 3: that we want to knock around it like talk about

1415
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: like positive mental health or Movember we're trying to raise

1416
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 3: money through these marathons. It's like it's all around community,

1417
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 3: and it's all around crew. Like community is one of

1418
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: the best preventative factors towards like having a bad day

1419
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 3: of stress, poor mental health, or whatever you want to

1420
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: call it. Like that is one of the best things.

1421
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 3: And we hang have crew like that. It's like, fuck,

1422
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 3: that's what you.

1423
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 2: Want around amazing pop humans. What we we're tribal, you know,

1424
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: we're pack animals a lot of times. And I was

1425
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: flying back, flying back from Canberra, and I'm looking at

1426
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: just this area in the middle of nowhere and there's

1427
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: like sort of hundred houses all together, and I just

1428
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: got that that's we're tribal and so we you know,

1429
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: and when we love, and we so easily lose that connection,

1430
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 2: particularly men.

1431
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do, certainly. Thanks for coming on making my

1432
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: dad cry.

1433
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: I was expecting cry when I'm hungover.

1434
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: I've heard him tell that story fifty times and it's

1435
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: the most emotional telling.

1436
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: You know. I hang out driving home before could you?

1437
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: And I just got got a really emotional in the

1438
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: car and I pulled over in the side of the

1439
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: road and I sent because Trisha's away at the moment, India,

1440
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: and I said, Trisha, you know what our time apart

1441
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: makes me just realize how much I love you, darling.

1442
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to find you in the afterlife. And then

1443
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: she text me that goes, oh you know you have

1444
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: you been.

1445
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: Any love you to know mess like that, I'll find

1446
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: you in the afterlight. That's a crime for hell, We'll.

1447
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: Tell you what I did one so I got there

1448
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: and I'll have me to fund. I used to get

1449
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: this sometime of Cen. Tricia text and I go, oh, man,

1450
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: you put your lingerie on wait till I get home,

1451
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff, and she'd be she'd

1452
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: come back and just go she go yeah, yeah, laugh,

1453
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: laugh laugh. Anyway, I was down to the boot club

1454
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: once and she text me and goes, oh yeah, what

1455
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: are you doing? But hell and get me back and

1456
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: I and I ticked back and I went, oh mate,

1457
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: you wait till mate, you wait till I get back.

1458
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: You just get ready, mate, We're going to have a night.

1459
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: You will not forget. Anyway, I accidentally sent it to

1460
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: the boxing train to Johnny Lewis.

1461
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: It's just what thanks thanks for coming over seriously, mate, Yeah, yeah,

1462
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: good luck for the marathons, right, we're gonna whipping your home.

1463
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate market for it.

1464
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: Market I'm not sure I probably wouldn't be paying, to

1465
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: be honest. Just get through the seven.

1466
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: Of the mate for coming. We're going to buy a

1467
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: Titans membership, something.

1468
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to. I'm very grateful. Thank you take

1469
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: us to be r Yeah