WEBVTT - Prince Charming | 7 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.200 I don't want to use my real name, so let's 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:08.280 just call me Evelyn. So the first seven weeks that 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.920 I was with Kevin, he was extremely charming, extremely smooth, 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.520 pedantic in a home, in his personal dress, the way 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.160 he smelt, the way he looked. You know, there wasn't 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.919 a hair out of place, and you know he was 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.200 the epitome of the Prince Charming. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:32.559 I'm Ashley Hanson. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.680 You're listening to episode seven of Dear Rochelle, a podcast 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.320 by True Crime Australia. This is the untold story of 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.240 Rochelle Charles, a twenty three year old who was brutally murdered. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:01:02.120 Per killer has never been caught. Evelyn met Kevin Stephen 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.120 Carell when she was thirty eight at a singles mingles 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.080 party in Sydney. They dated for about six weeks, just 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.360 over a year after Rochelle's murder. You'll be hearing a 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.440 lot more from Evelyn and another key witness in this episode. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.800 We've given both pseudonyms. Let's go back to two thousand 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.200 and two. Publicly, the police investigation had gone very quiet. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.560 Behind the scenes, it was turmoil. The strikee force was 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.959 in disarray and there was a growing pool of persons 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:37.640 of interest. By this point, Kevin Correll, Rochelle's boss at 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.920 Camden Holden, was under intense pressure. Detectives had formally interviewed 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.080 him and raided his home, and he was considered a 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.440 suspect by police, but he was carrying on with his 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.400 life as normal. Kevin Correll denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.000 and he has provided police with a detailed account of 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.840 his movements on the night in question. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:03.880 When did you meet Kevin? 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:10.600 I met Kevin at a singles night in Sydney. He 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.440 was there with quite a lot of people and one 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.320 of them turned out to be my uncle. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.520 And how would you describe Kevin? 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:24.720 Extremely smooth, charismatic, attentive, not what you would think, not 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.120 your average man on a mission. Every time I've seen him, 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.560 as far as women were concerned, because obviously I didn't 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:37.040 date him immediately, he was very like the prince of 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:42.480 the party, floating about lighting cigarettes for people and getting 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.200 drinks and pulling out chairs and all that sort of chivalry. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.760 You're going to hear a lot more about Kevin Correll 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.000 and allegations about how he attracts women, treats them and 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.120 reacts when they leave him. Remember, Kevin changed his surname 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:03.120 from Cornwall to Correll after being acquitted of multiple sex 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.520 attacks on young women across Sydney in the nineteen eighties. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:12.079 Kevin has always maintained his innocence over these attacks. This 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.960 episode focuses on two of his ex girlfriends. You just 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.920 met Evelyn. The other we're calling Alice another fictitious name. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.480 Alice's former boyfriend has agreed to be interviewed. We'll call 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.920 him Colin. Alice met Kevin a year before Rochelle's death 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.320 and was still seeing him when Rochelle was killed, but 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.960 the relationship was well and truly over by the time 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.600 she met Colin. And when you've spoken to her in 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.800 recent days about participating in the podcast or talking to. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.840 Me, what was her reaction about that. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:54.720 I've had one conversation and asked her, and she said 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.520 it was a very dark. 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:57.320 Time and. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.119 Obviously because she'd had to give evidence a coroner's inquest 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.640 and that sort of thing, and a lot of intimate details, 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.120 she said I couldn't go through that again, and so 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.920 has declined to come to this. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.720 That gives you a bit of an insight into how 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.359 traumatized she is about that experience in her life. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.000 Yes, it would have had to have played heavily on 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.200 the mind. And also that it was her partner, very 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.240 hurtful and yeah, deeply distressing. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:28.440 Poor. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.279 Remember this is two thousand and two, a year after 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.200 the murder. Detectors were ramping up their investigation into Kevin's 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:41.279 possible involvement. By this time, Kevin had voluntarily participated in 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:46.120 two interviews with police. Alison Kevin had broken up and 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.680 shed just begun dating Colin, but there was a shift 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:54.359 in Kevin's behavior when Colin came onto the scene. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.359 Alice had received phone calls from a gentleman who was 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:05.479 a previous partner or boyfriend had objected to me being 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.599 around might spend most of my time at her place 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.640 at this time, and so I suppose he saw it 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.440 as a I'd moved in there, and so he objected 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.200 to that, and then he then started bringing Alice and 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.680 making abusive phone calls at that time and saying that 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.040 you know that he objected to her seeing me. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.120 We're going to bounce between Colin and Evelyn's recollections in 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:34.120 this episode. Evelyn and Colin's partner Alice both gave evidence 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.160 at the coronial inquest into Rachelle's death. At the conclusion 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.000 of the inquest in two thousand and eight, the coroner 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.320 made an open finding in relation to Rachelle's death. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.800 So, over a few weeks, you know, probably four or 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:55.080 five weeks, I went to Sydney with my girlfriends. He 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.000 would be at the events, of course, because he'd say, oh, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.400 I'll see you there, and how it went. So I 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.880 never stayed at his house or went to his house 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:11.320 at all in that time, because obviously I've got children responsibilities. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.920 But he did eventually as we dated more, he came 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.840 up for barbecue three or four times through the week 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.479 after work at one of the many jobs apparently that 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.240 he had. And then now it progressed from there. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.680 And so what did he tell you about himself when 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:30.480 he first met you. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.320 He told me that he was a psychologist, psychiatrist, one 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.400 or the other. I can't exactly say, but he did. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:44.920 At one barbecue in particular, I had my sister there 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:51.559 and he offered to write a script for her for 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.800 medication for you know, being a little bit depressed or 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.520 upset or whatever. And I didn't challenge that at all. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.120 And then he told me that he worked at a 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.719 car salle yard on the weekend occasionally for a mate 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.800 and helped him out. So he disclosed he had those 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:13.560 two jobs. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.240 When I was asked Alice about details, that he was 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:23.240 mad on these science like detective books where he was 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.560 very well versed on, you know, how evidence was collected, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.360 and I think at some stage he claimed that he 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.160 was a security worked in security and was armed with 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.640 a firearm and things like that. It was like he 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:43.240 was sort of fixated on that type of darker side 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:44.000 of life. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.840 Did he tell Alice that he was a private investigator. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.120 Yeah, yeah, she did mention that to me at one stage. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.800 The way you spoke sometimes is thought he's some sort 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:53.920 of big time gangster. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.800 And did you believe him that he was a psych 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.680 car for a stoor a psychologist. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.400 Yeah? I did. Yeah, stupid as that sounds, I did, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:08.960 because the clothing and the mannerism, you know, the jewelry, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.280 all the finery went along with that job. You know, 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:15.720 I knew he wasn't a truck driver. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.520 And when did it become apparent to you that he 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.920 wasn't a psychologist or a psychiatrist. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:26.920 Probably about three or four weeks later. It was when 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:33.800 we got invited to a Christmas party that was at 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.960 planned Hollywood in the city. A beautiful night, very well 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:44.120 catered for, and everyone was dressed to the nines, and 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.520 a lot of the colleagues of his there, friends and 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.360 what not talked to him and he had a couple 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:57.040 of drinks. He was, you know, discussing cars and what's 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.440 been sold and what hasn't been sold. And I'm thinking, 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.560 this is a full time job. This is not just 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.120 helping a mate out of a Saturday or a Sunday. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:13.000 You're a car salesman. I didn't really confront him with 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:17.920 that because that particular night was when he became very 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.480 left of field, got very aggressive through the night verbally. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.800 And I'm a bit of a social butterfly. I'm not 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.320 a flourish by any means, and never have been. You know, 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.840 I talked to everybody. I'm courteous and kind. And he 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:40.920 found that extremely offensive, especially at the end of the 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:42.920 night when I was going to get into the car. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:49.120 He basically said, you acted like a slut. You looked 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:53.520 like a slut. My previous partner was extremely wealthy. I 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:58.000 was wearing like a three thousand dollars black Fasaci dress. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.199 It was beautiful. I'm not the person who has brass 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.320 straps hanging out or boobs or any of the rest 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.720 of it. And I thought I conducted myself with his 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:12.320 work colleagues amazingly because I don't drink. You know, he 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.920 was having a few scotches, and in hindsight, I probably 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.320 shouldn't have gotten the car, but I was actually a 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.000 bit nervous because he was really it was like a 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:25.640 penny had been flipped. So we did drive home and 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.480 he stayed that night. Didn't speak the whole time in 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.760 the car, except for when we're out of the car 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.000 when he spoke to me like he did. And knowing 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.360 that I had my parents at my house looking after 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:45.600 my daughter and my other children at the time, I 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.360 was a bit concerned that if I ruffled the boat 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.320 that it mightn't be nice, that I want the children 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.839 hearing anything like that. That had already been through enough 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.839 of hearsaying, so I kept I tried really hard to 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.480 keep the peace and diffuse the situation. I got up 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.199 and would like coffee, and it was basically I'm going, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:08.680 I'm going, and I went, okay, So that really really 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:13.760 unnerved me. And I decided straight away. I think I 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.640 remember having coffee downstairs with my parents and saying, look, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.040 I'm just not okay with this. He's something's not right here. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.400 He's told me that he's this, and he's definitely not. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.280 He's definitely a car salesman. It was like a Jacqueline 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.000 Hide personality and frightening. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.520 Do you remember the kinds of things that he was 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.840 saying to her on the phone that was making her upset. 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.320 When I then took the phone and had words with him, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.600 he then continued ringing, and they were quite abusive. I 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.960 tiled him, told him off a couple of times. He 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.160 then became threatening. 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.080 I know in your evidence he said that he threatened 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.000 to kill you. Is that correct? 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:58.439 Oh? 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.800 Yes, he did that on a number of occasions. Yes, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.680 he had told me on one occasion that he was 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.960 involved in some sort of organized crime synding it. The 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.640 intimated that he had friends who would get rid of me. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.200 He'd have his friends take care of me. I'd be 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.880 dead by the end of the month. He then started 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.400 to bring up, bring up, and he bring up stuff 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:27.560 that Alice and I had discussed privately, and then I 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.680 came to the realization that he was somehow listening to 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.840 our conversations, and he had made comment to Alice that 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.040 he had the house bugged and that he was listening. 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.680 Let's return to Evelyn's recollections of her brief relationship with Kevin, 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.680 which started over a year after Rochelle's murder. She wanted 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.120 to stop seeing Kevin after the Christmas party incident, but 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.840 he would her back in. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.760 So, you know, a few phone calls and big bunches 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:03.480 of flowers and I'm so stupid, like I shouldn't have 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.840 had those drinks. That ridiculous me even saying those things. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:11.120 And so I got past it, you know, because he 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.280 hadn't touched me or anything. I was very wary from 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:15.880 that moment. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.160 During our investigation, we've discovered Kevin moved back to the 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.240 South Coast not long after Rochelle's murder. He settled into 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.560 a seaside suburb called Gorilla south of Woollongong. He lived 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.240 in this area before and wanted Evelyn to come and visit. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.960 He rang and said, look, how about on the weekend 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.240 I come and pick you up and I drive you 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:44.000 to see my home. And I said, oh that's ours away. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.640 Oh I don't mind that's okay, and I went, oh, 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.079 that would be lovely, very pretty. I remember driving down 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.760 the big road and you could see the whole harbor. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:59.120 So we got to his he said it was house, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.560 but it was three units together joined together. Anyway, went 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:08.000 into his apartment and you know, he had prawns in 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:12.680 the fridge. Brought out this platter of prawns and champagne 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:17.120 and Lolli's for my daughter. He poured me a glass 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:22.520 of pink champagne and brought the prawns out and I 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.720 had probably half a glass. And he said, oh, how 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.880 about if we go and take a walk over and 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.760 I'll show you the beach and where I live. And 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.680 I went, oh lovely. When we were going out to 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.480 go over to the beach, I remember him saying, oh, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:43.160 come and have a look at my car. And I 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.880 sort of looked at him and I said what do 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.560 you mean. He said, oh, no, I've got a really 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.080 fancy car. Oh okay, sorry, I thought you meant your 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.320 car that we drove him. No, no, no, you need to 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.600 come and have a look at this beautiful car. And 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:03.440 it was fancy car. I had nothing about cars at all. Well, 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.680 that's really lovely and I wasn't very impressed. Was that, Like, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.000 you know, I'm not a car person. I'm a glitter girl. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.360 And he said, I said, oh, it's lovely. I said, oh, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.960 you know, what kind of car is it? For some reason, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.200 the name of the car always stuck with me because 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.560 it was a really nice name. It was fancy, and 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.240 he said it was a walk Control. 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.040 Had big plans for the weekend and she was supposedly 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.720 getting a vel ss group a otherwise knowed as a 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:35.280 walking Shaw. 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.760 Rachelle spoke to me on the weekend about getting a 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.000 vel walking Shaw, but I knew how excited she was 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.680 about a walking Shaw. She told me that Camden Holden 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.720 had just bought one and she was getting it as 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:46.280 a loan car. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.120 I remember walking Trolls were by far her favorite car. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.520 She told me Kevin was going to loan her the car. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:01.160 This particular name stuck in my head and I never 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.240 you know, I didn't think about it again. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.120 We'll further explore Evelyn's claim Kevin shot off a walking 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.520 Shore in the next episode. Let's continue to listen to 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.560 Evelyn's account of her visit with her young daughter to 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.280 Kevin's Whirrila apartment. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:23.800 So over we went, and probably, I don't know, maybe 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.960 there was a grassed area and then you went down 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.240 onto these sort of pebbles on the beach, and I 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:39.800 started to feel really unwell, like almost a migrain, but 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:45.720 nauseous as well. Then I started to feel very bizarre, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:51.360 like I was not myself, but my headache was like 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.440 somebody had hit me in the head with a hammer, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.160 and I didn't feel right, and I never felt like 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.160 that in my life, and I knew that it couldn't 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.800 have been half a glass of champagne. That's just not possible. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.280 So with that, we walked for a little bit and 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.240 I said, look, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.640 to go back. I feel quite unwell. And he went, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.080 oh do you And I went okay, well let's go back. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.320 So he sort of okay, you know, hurried his back 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.320 and he said, oh, look, you know, maybe you need 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.400 to go and lie down for a while. I'll keep 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.120 an eye on your daughter. Which you know, I didn't 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.879 really have any issues there. There was never any thinking 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:36.560 appropriate or creepy about her. And I said, yeah, okay, 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.520 I'm just going to go to the bathroom because I 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:45.320 actually feel like i'm going to be sick. So while 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.840 I was in the bathroom, I could hear him talking 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:53.000 to my daughter, and I ran my ma from the 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.600 phone I had in my pocket, and I remember turning 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:00.760 the tap on so it was loud. I made noises 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.800 like I was vomiting, but I wasn't. And I said 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.800 to my mother, I'm this is where I am, and 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.840 I think somebody needs to come and get me because 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:14.800 I'm extremely ill and something is not right. She said, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.760 I can get somebody to come and get you. That's 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:23.720 not a problem. And I walked out of the bathroom 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.240 with the phone in my hand, and with that he said, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.080 who's on the phone, and I said, it's my mom. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.479 I've just rang hercose. Look, I'm really not well and 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.960 I need to for us to get picked up. I 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.760 need to go home, really really not happy about the 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.080 conversation that I had my mother on the phone, and 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.880 he said, no, no, no, that's okay. I will take 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.520 his home. At this stage, I'd put my mum on 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:56.280 loudspeaker so that he could hear her, and he just said, look, 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.120 you know I'll bring them home. That's not a problem. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.600 She said, well, like I know exactly where you are, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.760 so I can have somebody there in half an hour 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.720 to collect her if it puts you out, like she 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.240 was trying to keep things calm, No, I don't know. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.040 That's okay. I'll pack her up now and I'll bring 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.399 her straight up. So I probably took I don't know 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.879 over the three hour drive home with not a words, 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.080 said nothing, two lots of panidole and newroth, and I was, 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.520 you know, the headache was just nothing like I'd ever felt. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.760 And he basically got me to home. Mum came out 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:38.200 the front door, he handed the bag to mum, and 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.800 my daughter got out of the car and ran inside 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.920 to my mom. And mom came out the front door 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.560 and got me, you know, seeing that I was there, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:50.280 and he handed my mum my bag and just basically 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:56.320 said to mum, I'm going, and that was it gone. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:01.560 Have you ever reflected on your decision to ring your 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.600 mom in that moment when you thought you'd been drugged, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.800 and how things could have been differently if you didn't 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:08.119 do that. 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:09.680 Oh? 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:23.600 Absolutely, absolutely, for myself. Sorry for myself, I would have 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:30.159 been okay with whatever was the hand that I was 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:36.240 to be dealt, but not for my daughter. So I 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.960 had to fight, you know, And it was hard because 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.400 I felt really sick, and it wasn't just a normal sick. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.560 It was frighteningly sick, and I knew that I had 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.199 to get out of there or get to someone or 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.960 around someone. At first I thought, maybe, you know, I 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.119 would say, oh, look, could we go and have you know, 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.359 an early dinner so that I was in a public place, 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.600 so that if I lapsed or something, And then I thought, no, 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.280 I'm way too sick. I couldn't hold my head up. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.600 I was like, oh my god, it felt like my 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.280 brain was going to explode. Disorientated, and you know, I've 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:17.280 probably been drunk twice in my entire life. 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.680 Let's return to Collins interview. He's telling me about threatening 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.920 phone calls Alice was allegedly receiving from Kevin Correll after 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:31.560 they'd broken up. The new couple was suspicious somebody was 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:35.160 listening to their private conversations in Alice's home. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.840 What he'd been doing is because I thought it'd be 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.880 pretty game of somebody to be coming in the front 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.399 of the house and listening at the front window or 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.560 at the door, because it'd be fairly risky if somebody 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.080 was to go out that way. But then I felt 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.280 what had happened as he'd been coming in through the 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.080 back fence from the lane way and then coming down 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.040 the yard and listening there so that people didn't see him. 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:01.640 Going in and out. 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.120 And then I sort of surmised then that was how 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:06.760 he was listening to the conversations. 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.040 What do you think was his motivation to do that? 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:11.600 Oh, just intimidation. 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.040 And so you've been dropped off now after this experience. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.800 And what happened next, you. 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.960 Know, phone call started coming, texting, whatever, and I was 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:29.000 very adamant that this was no more. I was not 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:34.159 right frightened. When he rang me, it was very sweet 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.960 and how are you feeling? And da, da da, And 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.840 I said, look, I'm feeling much better, thank you, and 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:43.600 I'm very grateful for you driving me home, and so 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.679 is my mum and dad. But look, I'm in a 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:52.120 position where I have got a very close family and 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.520 a lot of things to do and sport and not 0:22:55.760 --> 0:23:00.040 what not with my children, and I really am not 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.840 in the right headspace to be dating anyone. You know, 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.760 It's not you, it's me. And he did try to 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.720 persuade me, Oh, don't you know, don't be silly like you, 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.159 I'm a good person and you know you're lovely and 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.800 all the rest of it. And I just said, no, look, 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.600 I'm sorry, I can't. I just can't do this. I'm sorry, 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:22.320 I really can't. So we just hung up. And then 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:26.440 the text messages started coming and they got they got 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.760 a little bit nasty, you're a bitch, and you're like, 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.280 you know, I've done nothing wrong, and just the general 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:39.159 crap that someone says when their feelings are hurt. And 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.600 he rang me and he said, oh, you know, I 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:44.600 want to talk to you, and I said, look, it's 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:49.760 not going to change my mind. Just to reiterate at 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.399 the very beginning of the phone call, when he's swearing 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.520 and whatnot, he said to me, oh, you shouldn't let 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.239 your daughter play in the street. And I said, what 0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.440 are you talking about? And he said, oh, she's out 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.679 there in a little yellow T shirt and no shoes 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.480 on her feet. So that frightened the daylights out of 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.080 me because that's exactly what she was, out front with 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.200 the friends in a little yellow T shirt. 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:19.600 There matters that we had discussed around his past. I 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.160 found out that he had worked at the Holden Dealers 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.480 with this Rachelle. At the time that she was killed. 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.680 Alice had said that she had been questioned about it, 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.120 and I thought didn't think. 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:33.119 Too much of it at the time. 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.239 What colleagues would have been questioned about her movement, So 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.840 I didn't think too much about it. When she was 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:44.639 telling me about his demeanor and his actions at the time, 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:50.280 I started to think, this is quite strange and asked. 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.520 Her for more details. And so we had. 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.480 Discussed it, and then there was another phone call, and 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.720 then I was warned, you shouldn't have stuck your nose 0:24:57.800 --> 0:24:58.159 into it. 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.320 You know, he'll be dead before long. 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:08.480 Anyway, it came a time that he rang and made 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:13.080