1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to use my real name, so let's 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: just call me Evelyn. So the first seven weeks that 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: I was with Kevin, he was extremely charming, extremely smooth, 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: pedantic in a home, in his personal dress, the way 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: he smelt, the way he looked. You know, there wasn't 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: a hair out of place, and you know he was 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: the epitome of the Prince Charming. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: I'm Ashley Hanson. 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: You're listening to episode seven of Dear Rochelle, a podcast 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: by True Crime Australia. This is the untold story of 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: Rochelle Charles, a twenty three year old who was brutally murdered. 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: Per killer has never been caught. Evelyn met Kevin Stephen 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: Carell when she was thirty eight at a singles mingles 14 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: party in Sydney. They dated for about six weeks, just 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: over a year after Rochelle's murder. You'll be hearing a 16 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: lot more from Evelyn and another key witness in this episode. 17 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: We've given both pseudonyms. Let's go back to two thousand 18 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: and two. Publicly, the police investigation had gone very quiet. 19 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: Behind the scenes, it was turmoil. The strikee force was 20 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: in disarray and there was a growing pool of persons 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: of interest. By this point, Kevin Correll, Rochelle's boss at 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: Camden Holden, was under intense pressure. Detectives had formally interviewed 23 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: him and raided his home, and he was considered a 24 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: suspect by police, but he was carrying on with his 25 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: life as normal. Kevin Correll denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder, 26 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: and he has provided police with a detailed account of 27 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: his movements on the night in question. 28 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: When did you meet Kevin? 29 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: I met Kevin at a singles night in Sydney. He 30 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: was there with quite a lot of people and one 31 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: of them turned out to be my uncle. 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: And how would you describe Kevin? 33 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Extremely smooth, charismatic, attentive, not what you would think, not 34 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: your average man on a mission. Every time I've seen him, 35 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: as far as women were concerned, because obviously I didn't 36 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: date him immediately, he was very like the prince of 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: the party, floating about lighting cigarettes for people and getting 38 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: drinks and pulling out chairs and all that sort of chivalry. 39 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: You're going to hear a lot more about Kevin Correll 40 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: and allegations about how he attracts women, treats them and 41 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: reacts when they leave him. Remember, Kevin changed his surname 42 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: from Cornwall to Correll after being acquitted of multiple sex 43 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: attacks on young women across Sydney in the nineteen eighties. 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: Kevin has always maintained his innocence over these attacks. This 45 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: episode focuses on two of his ex girlfriends. You just 46 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: met Evelyn. The other we're calling Alice another fictitious name. 47 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: Alice's former boyfriend has agreed to be interviewed. We'll call 48 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: him Colin. Alice met Kevin a year before Rochelle's death 49 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: and was still seeing him when Rochelle was killed, but 50 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: the relationship was well and truly over by the time 51 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: she met Colin. And when you've spoken to her in 52 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: recent days about participating in the podcast or talking to. 53 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: Me, what was her reaction about that. 54 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: I've had one conversation and asked her, and she said 55 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: it was a very dark. 56 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 5: Time and. 57 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 4: Obviously because she'd had to give evidence a coroner's inquest 58 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: and that sort of thing, and a lot of intimate details, 59 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: she said I couldn't go through that again, and so 60 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: has declined to come to this. 61 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: That gives you a bit of an insight into how 62 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 3: traumatized she is about that experience in her life. 63 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: Yes, it would have had to have played heavily on 64 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: the mind. And also that it was her partner, very 65 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 4: hurtful and yeah, deeply distressing. 66 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 5: Poor. 67 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: Remember this is two thousand and two, a year after 68 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: the murder. Detectors were ramping up their investigation into Kevin's 69 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: possible involvement. By this time, Kevin had voluntarily participated in 70 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: two interviews with police. Alison Kevin had broken up and 71 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: shed just begun dating Colin, but there was a shift 72 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: in Kevin's behavior when Colin came onto the scene. 73 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 4: Alice had received phone calls from a gentleman who was 74 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 4: a previous partner or boyfriend had objected to me being 75 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 4: around might spend most of my time at her place 76 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: at this time, and so I suppose he saw it 77 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 4: as a I'd moved in there, and so he objected 78 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: to that, and then he then started bringing Alice and 79 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 4: making abusive phone calls at that time and saying that 80 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 4: you know that he objected to her seeing me. 81 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: We're going to bounce between Colin and Evelyn's recollections in 82 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: this episode. Evelyn and Colin's partner Alice both gave evidence 83 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: at the coronial inquest into Rachelle's death. At the conclusion 84 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: of the inquest in two thousand and eight, the coroner 85 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: made an open finding in relation to Rachelle's death. 86 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: So, over a few weeks, you know, probably four or 87 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: five weeks, I went to Sydney with my girlfriends. He 88 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: would be at the events, of course, because he'd say, oh, 89 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: I'll see you there, and how it went. So I 90 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: never stayed at his house or went to his house 91 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: at all in that time, because obviously I've got children responsibilities. 92 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: But he did eventually as we dated more, he came 93 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: up for barbecue three or four times through the week 94 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: after work at one of the many jobs apparently that 95 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: he had. And then now it progressed from there. 96 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: And so what did he tell you about himself when 97 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: he first met you. 98 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: He told me that he was a psychologist, psychiatrist, one 99 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: or the other. I can't exactly say, but he did. 100 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: At one barbecue in particular, I had my sister there 101 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:51,559 Speaker 1: and he offered to write a script for her for 102 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: medication for you know, being a little bit depressed or 103 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: upset or whatever. And I didn't challenge that at all. 104 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: And then he told me that he worked at a 105 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: car salle yard on the weekend occasionally for a mate 106 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: and helped him out. So he disclosed he had those 107 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: two jobs. 108 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: When I was asked Alice about details, that he was 109 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: mad on these science like detective books where he was 110 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 4: very well versed on, you know, how evidence was collected, 111 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: and I think at some stage he claimed that he 112 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: was a security worked in security and was armed with 113 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: a firearm and things like that. It was like he 114 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 4: was sort of fixated on that type of darker side 115 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: of life. 116 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: Did he tell Alice that he was a private investigator. 117 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she did mention that to me at one stage. 118 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: The way you spoke sometimes is thought he's some sort 119 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 4: of big time gangster. 120 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: And did you believe him that he was a psych 121 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: car for a stoor a psychologist. 122 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. Yeah, stupid as that sounds, I did, 123 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: because the clothing and the mannerism, you know, the jewelry, 124 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: all the finery went along with that job. You know, 125 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't a truck driver. 126 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: And when did it become apparent to you that he 127 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: wasn't a psychologist or a psychiatrist. 128 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: Probably about three or four weeks later. It was when 129 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: we got invited to a Christmas party that was at 130 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: planned Hollywood in the city. A beautiful night, very well 131 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: catered for, and everyone was dressed to the nines, and 132 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: a lot of the colleagues of his there, friends and 133 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: what not talked to him and he had a couple 134 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: of drinks. He was, you know, discussing cars and what's 135 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: been sold and what hasn't been sold. And I'm thinking, 136 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: this is a full time job. This is not just 137 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: helping a mate out of a Saturday or a Sunday. 138 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: You're a car salesman. I didn't really confront him with 139 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: that because that particular night was when he became very 140 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: left of field, got very aggressive through the night verbally. 141 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: And I'm a bit of a social butterfly. I'm not 142 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: a flourish by any means, and never have been. You know, 143 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: I talked to everybody. I'm courteous and kind. And he 144 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: found that extremely offensive, especially at the end of the 145 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: night when I was going to get into the car. 146 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: He basically said, you acted like a slut. You looked 147 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: like a slut. My previous partner was extremely wealthy. I 148 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: was wearing like a three thousand dollars black Fasaci dress. 149 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I'm not the person who has brass 150 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: straps hanging out or boobs or any of the rest 151 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: of it. And I thought I conducted myself with his 152 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: work colleagues amazingly because I don't drink. You know, he 153 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: was having a few scotches, and in hindsight, I probably 154 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't have gotten the car, but I was actually a 155 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: bit nervous because he was really it was like a 156 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: penny had been flipped. So we did drive home and 157 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: he stayed that night. Didn't speak the whole time in 158 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: the car, except for when we're out of the car 159 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: when he spoke to me like he did. And knowing 160 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: that I had my parents at my house looking after 161 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: my daughter and my other children at the time, I 162 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: was a bit concerned that if I ruffled the boat 163 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: that it mightn't be nice, that I want the children 164 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: hearing anything like that. That had already been through enough 165 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: of hearsaying, so I kept I tried really hard to 166 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: keep the peace and diffuse the situation. I got up 167 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: and would like coffee, and it was basically I'm going, 168 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm going, and I went, okay, So that really really 169 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: unnerved me. And I decided straight away. I think I 170 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: remember having coffee downstairs with my parents and saying, look, 171 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm just not okay with this. He's something's not right here. 172 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: He's told me that he's this, and he's definitely not. 173 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: He's definitely a car salesman. It was like a Jacqueline 174 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: Hide personality and frightening. 175 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: Do you remember the kinds of things that he was 176 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: saying to her on the phone that was making her upset. 177 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 4: When I then took the phone and had words with him, 178 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: he then continued ringing, and they were quite abusive. I 179 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 4: tiled him, told him off a couple of times. He 180 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 4: then became threatening. 181 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: I know in your evidence he said that he threatened 182 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: to kill you. Is that correct? 183 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 5: Oh? 184 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: Yes, he did that on a number of occasions. Yes, 185 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 4: he had told me on one occasion that he was 186 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 4: involved in some sort of organized crime synding it. The 187 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 4: intimated that he had friends who would get rid of me. 188 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: He'd have his friends take care of me. I'd be 189 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 4: dead by the end of the month. He then started 190 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: to bring up, bring up, and he bring up stuff 191 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 4: that Alice and I had discussed privately, and then I 192 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 4: came to the realization that he was somehow listening to 193 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 4: our conversations, and he had made comment to Alice that 194 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: he had the house bugged and that he was listening. 195 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: Let's return to Evelyn's recollections of her brief relationship with Kevin, 196 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 3: which started over a year after Rochelle's murder. She wanted 197 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: to stop seeing Kevin after the Christmas party incident, but 198 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: he would her back in. 199 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: So, you know, a few phone calls and big bunches 200 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: of flowers and I'm so stupid, like I shouldn't have 201 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: had those drinks. That ridiculous me even saying those things. 202 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: And so I got past it, you know, because he 203 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: hadn't touched me or anything. I was very wary from 204 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: that moment. 205 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: During our investigation, we've discovered Kevin moved back to the 206 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: South Coast not long after Rochelle's murder. He settled into 207 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 3: a seaside suburb called Gorilla south of Woollongong. He lived 208 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: in this area before and wanted Evelyn to come and visit. 209 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: He rang and said, look, how about on the weekend 210 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: I come and pick you up and I drive you 211 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: to see my home. And I said, oh that's ours away. 212 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: Oh I don't mind that's okay, and I went, oh, 213 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: that would be lovely, very pretty. I remember driving down 214 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: the big road and you could see the whole harbor. 215 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: So we got to his he said it was house, 216 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: but it was three units together joined together. Anyway, went 217 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: into his apartment and you know, he had prawns in 218 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: the fridge. Brought out this platter of prawns and champagne 219 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: and Lolli's for my daughter. He poured me a glass 220 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: of pink champagne and brought the prawns out and I 221 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: had probably half a glass. And he said, oh, how 222 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: about if we go and take a walk over and 223 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: I'll show you the beach and where I live. And 224 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: I went, oh lovely. When we were going out to 225 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: go over to the beach, I remember him saying, oh, 226 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: come and have a look at my car. And I 227 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: sort of looked at him and I said what do 228 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: you mean. He said, oh, no, I've got a really 229 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: fancy car. Oh okay, sorry, I thought you meant your 230 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: car that we drove him. No, no, no, you need to 231 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: come and have a look at this beautiful car. And 232 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: it was fancy car. I had nothing about cars at all. Well, 233 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: that's really lovely and I wasn't very impressed. Was that, Like, 234 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a car person. I'm a glitter girl. 235 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: And he said, I said, oh, it's lovely. I said, oh, 236 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, what kind of car is it? For some reason, 237 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: the name of the car always stuck with me because 238 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: it was a really nice name. It was fancy, and 239 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: he said it was a walk Control. 240 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 6: Had big plans for the weekend and she was supposedly 241 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 6: getting a vel ss group a otherwise knowed as a 242 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 6: walking Shaw. 243 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: Rachelle spoke to me on the weekend about getting a 244 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: vel walking Shaw, but I knew how excited she was 245 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: about a walking Shaw. She told me that Camden Holden 246 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: had just bought one and she was getting it as 247 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: a loan car. 248 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: I remember walking Trolls were by far her favorite car. 249 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 7: She told me Kevin was going to loan her the car. 250 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: This particular name stuck in my head and I never 251 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't think about it again. 252 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: We'll further explore Evelyn's claim Kevin shot off a walking 253 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: Shore in the next episode. Let's continue to listen to 254 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: Evelyn's account of her visit with her young daughter to 255 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: Kevin's Whirrila apartment. 256 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: So over we went, and probably, I don't know, maybe 257 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: there was a grassed area and then you went down 258 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: onto these sort of pebbles on the beach, and I 259 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: started to feel really unwell, like almost a migrain, but 260 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: nauseous as well. Then I started to feel very bizarre, 261 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: like I was not myself, but my headache was like 262 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: somebody had hit me in the head with a hammer, 263 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: and I didn't feel right, and I never felt like 264 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: that in my life, and I knew that it couldn't 265 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: have been half a glass of champagne. That's just not possible. 266 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: So with that, we walked for a little bit and 267 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: I said, look, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have 268 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: to go back. I feel quite unwell. And he went, 269 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: oh do you And I went okay, well let's go back. 270 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: So he sort of okay, you know, hurried his back 271 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: and he said, oh, look, you know, maybe you need 272 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: to go and lie down for a while. I'll keep 273 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: an eye on your daughter. Which you know, I didn't 274 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: really have any issues there. There was never any thinking 275 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: appropriate or creepy about her. And I said, yeah, okay, 276 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm just going to go to the bathroom because I 277 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: actually feel like i'm going to be sick. So while 278 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: I was in the bathroom, I could hear him talking 279 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: to my daughter, and I ran my ma from the 280 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: phone I had in my pocket, and I remember turning 281 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: the tap on so it was loud. I made noises 282 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: like I was vomiting, but I wasn't. And I said 283 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: to my mother, I'm this is where I am, and 284 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: I think somebody needs to come and get me because 285 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm extremely ill and something is not right. She said, 286 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: I can get somebody to come and get you. That's 287 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: not a problem. And I walked out of the bathroom 288 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: with the phone in my hand, and with that he said, 289 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: who's on the phone, and I said, it's my mom. 290 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: I've just rang hercose. Look, I'm really not well and 291 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: I need to for us to get picked up. I 292 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: need to go home, really really not happy about the 293 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: conversation that I had my mother on the phone, and 294 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: he said, no, no, no, that's okay. I will take 295 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: his home. At this stage, I'd put my mum on 296 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: loudspeaker so that he could hear her, and he just said, look, 297 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: you know I'll bring them home. That's not a problem. 298 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: She said, well, like I know exactly where you are, 299 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: so I can have somebody there in half an hour 300 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: to collect her if it puts you out, like she 301 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: was trying to keep things calm, No, I don't know. 302 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: That's okay. I'll pack her up now and I'll bring 303 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: her straight up. So I probably took I don't know 304 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: over the three hour drive home with not a words, 305 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: said nothing, two lots of panidole and newroth, and I was, 306 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, the headache was just nothing like I'd ever felt. 307 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: And he basically got me to home. Mum came out 308 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: the front door, he handed the bag to mum, and 309 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: my daughter got out of the car and ran inside 310 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: to my mom. And mom came out the front door 311 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: and got me, you know, seeing that I was there, 312 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: and he handed my mum my bag and just basically 313 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: said to mum, I'm going, and that was it gone. 314 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: Have you ever reflected on your decision to ring your 315 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 3: mom in that moment when you thought you'd been drugged, 316 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: and how things could have been differently if you didn't 317 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: do that. 318 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 8: Oh? 319 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, for myself. Sorry for myself, I would have 320 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: been okay with whatever was the hand that I was 321 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: to be dealt, but not for my daughter. So I 322 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: had to fight, you know, And it was hard because 323 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: I felt really sick, and it wasn't just a normal sick. 324 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: It was frighteningly sick, and I knew that I had 325 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: to get out of there or get to someone or 326 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: around someone. At first I thought, maybe, you know, I 327 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: would say, oh, look, could we go and have you know, 328 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: an early dinner so that I was in a public place, 329 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: so that if I lapsed or something, And then I thought, no, 330 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm way too sick. I couldn't hold my head up. 331 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it felt like my 332 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: brain was going to explode. Disorientated, and you know, I've 333 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: probably been drunk twice in my entire life. 334 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 3: Let's return to Collins interview. He's telling me about threatening 335 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: phone calls Alice was allegedly receiving from Kevin Correll after 336 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: they'd broken up. The new couple was suspicious somebody was 337 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: listening to their private conversations in Alice's home. 338 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: What he'd been doing is because I thought it'd be 339 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 4: pretty game of somebody to be coming in the front 340 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 4: of the house and listening at the front window or 341 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: at the door, because it'd be fairly risky if somebody 342 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: was to go out that way. But then I felt 343 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 4: what had happened as he'd been coming in through the 344 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 4: back fence from the lane way and then coming down 345 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: the yard and listening there so that people didn't see him. 346 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 5: Going in and out. 347 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 4: And then I sort of surmised then that was how 348 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: he was listening to the conversations. 349 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: What do you think was his motivation to do that? 350 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 5: Oh, just intimidation. 351 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: And so you've been dropped off now after this experience. 352 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: And what happened next, you. 353 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: Know, phone call started coming, texting, whatever, and I was 354 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: very adamant that this was no more. I was not 355 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: right frightened. When he rang me, it was very sweet 356 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: and how are you feeling? And da, da da, And 357 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: I said, look, I'm feeling much better, thank you, and 358 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for you driving me home, and so 359 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: is my mum and dad. But look, I'm in a 360 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: position where I have got a very close family and 361 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: a lot of things to do and sport and not 362 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: what not with my children, and I really am not 363 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: in the right headspace to be dating anyone. You know, 364 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: It's not you, it's me. And he did try to 365 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: persuade me, Oh, don't you know, don't be silly like you, 366 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: I'm a good person and you know you're lovely and 367 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: all the rest of it. And I just said, no, look, 368 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't. I just can't do this. I'm sorry, 369 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: I really can't. So we just hung up. And then 370 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: the text messages started coming and they got they got 371 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: a little bit nasty, you're a bitch, and you're like, 372 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, I've done nothing wrong, and just the general 373 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: crap that someone says when their feelings are hurt. And 374 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: he rang me and he said, oh, you know, I 375 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: want to talk to you, and I said, look, it's 376 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: not going to change my mind. Just to reiterate at 377 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: the very beginning of the phone call, when he's swearing 378 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: and whatnot, he said to me, oh, you shouldn't let 379 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 1: your daughter play in the street. And I said, what 380 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: are you talking about? And he said, oh, she's out 381 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: there in a little yellow T shirt and no shoes 382 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: on her feet. So that frightened the daylights out of 383 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: me because that's exactly what she was, out front with 384 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: the friends in a little yellow T shirt. 385 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: There matters that we had discussed around his past. I 386 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: found out that he had worked at the Holden Dealers 387 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 4: with this Rachelle. At the time that she was killed. 388 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: Alice had said that she had been questioned about it, 389 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 4: and I thought didn't think. 390 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 5: Too much of it at the time. 391 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 4: What colleagues would have been questioned about her movement, So 392 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 4: I didn't think too much about it. When she was 393 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 4: telling me about his demeanor and his actions at the time, 394 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 4: I started to think, this is quite strange and asked. 395 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 5: Her for more details. And so we had. 396 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 4: Discussed it, and then there was another phone call, and 397 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: then I was warned, you shouldn't have stuck your nose 398 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 4: into it. 399 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 5: You know, he'll be dead before long. 400 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 4: Anyway, it came a time that he rang and made 401 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: threats against my son. So obviously the night before we 402 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 4: had been Alice and I had been discussing what we 403 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 4: were going to do on the. 404 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 5: Weekend, we take my son to the zoo or something 405 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 5: like that. 406 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 4: And then the following night he then rings up and 407 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: makes threats against my son. 408 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 5: And then that. 409 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 4: Sort of then pretty made it pretty clear that he'd 410 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: been listening to our conversation at the time, and then 411 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 4: I had an argument with him over the phone about this, 412 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: and then I thought at that time, I said to Alice, 413 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: we i think we need to go and have a 414 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 4: chat with the local police and just let them know 415 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 4: what's happening in case he does become more aggressive, because 416 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 4: at one time she did say that he had tried 417 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 4: to force her off the road when she was believe 418 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 4: it was coming home from work one day. 419 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: I got very angry and I said, you just keep 420 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: right away, and don't you dare call my phone again. 421 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: And with that he said, you're just a prick tease 422 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: and one of these days they're going to find you 423 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: slip from the fanny to the throat in a car 424 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: park debt. I think. I said to him, that's charming, 425 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: and I hung up, and I called out to my 426 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: child and said you are to come inside straight away. 427 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: Rang my mother and got her to come straight round, 428 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: and I rang the police and told them exactly what 429 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: he had said to me, and that I was concerned 430 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: about my will there and my child and I had 431 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: to go and do a statement, which I did and 432 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: it was filed and he was given warning by the 433 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: police to stay away, not contact me or any of 434 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: the above. 435 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 3: It sounds like he was stalking and threatening Alice. And 436 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 3: this behavior is incredibly concerning for you as a partner 437 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: at the time to Alice, what was going through your mind? 438 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: I did draw the line when he made threats against 439 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 4: against my son. Yeah, that was I thought I was 440 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 4: going to have to deal with him then. And that 441 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: was when I did say enough's enough. Instead of harassing women, 442 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 4: which seems to which seems to be your form, I said, 443 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 4: and threatening children. I'll meet you somewhere and we'll sort 444 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 4: this out right now. And he hung up at that time. 445 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 3: So at that point did you go to the police station? 446 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 3: Which police station did you go to? And what happened next? 447 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 5: Pickton Police? 448 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: I just wanted to make them aware of what was 449 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: going on at that time. We went in, introduced ourselves 450 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 4: to a constable that was on the counter on the night, 451 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 4: and started to tell him about instances that were happening, 452 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 4: and he asked for the name. We gave him the 453 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 4: name Kevin Correll, and then a sergeant came from a 454 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: back room and said, excuse me, what was that name 455 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 4: that you just said, repeated it, and then he said, 456 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 4: I'll take it from here. 457 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 5: I think we need to have a chat. 458 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: And probably a couple of days later, I got a 459 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: phone call from what I was told was his brother 460 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: but I would probably state my life this conversation with 461 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: his brother trying to ask me to you know, don't 462 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: be silly. He would never do anything to you, would 463 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: never hurt you. He's just angry that you're not together 464 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: in data DA. I would stake my life that I 465 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: was talking to Kevin. It was not There's no way 466 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: it was his brother. And after that I didn't get 467 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: any more phone cause I think I might have even 468 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: blocked the number out. I think that's sort of where 469 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: him and I the demise was there. 470 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: What is it about that statement that you think police 471 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: were particularly interested in. 472 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: Not so much about the things that were happening at 473 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 4: the time, but caused Alice to go back things that 474 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: she described to me that I thought were very odd 475 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 4: about his actions and his demeanor at that period of time. 476 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 5: And I then. 477 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 4: Started to think he had been using her to at 478 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 4: one point when she described on the night that the 479 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 4: girl disappeared, that he had been using her for an alibi. 480 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 4: And then I thought, had you told the police this before? 481 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 4: She had said no. I asked why she hadn't. They 482 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: hadn't asked me, So I said, I think you need 483 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: to have a chat to him, and start to give 484 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 4: him a few more details, and. 485 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 5: Then it went from there. 486 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: Can you specifically recall what it was about what Alice 487 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: said that made you think someone is using her as 488 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: an alibi. 489 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: His actions on the night going and calling up fairly 490 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: late to come around for dinner, which he said was 491 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 4: out of character. Then there was another incidents where he 492 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 4: had come around and he was so distraught about the 493 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 4: death of this Rochelle that she felt it was over 494 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: the top. And then from there she had asked him 495 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 4: to leave on that night, then became concerned about him, 496 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 4: went looking for him and he was in the local 497 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: pub playing in the POKERSH thinks it was quite happy 498 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 4: after being so distraught on a short time earlier, so 499 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 4: that I thought was very quite unusual, and that's when 500 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: I suggested we go and have. 501 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 5: A chap to the police. 502 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 3: Those allegations in early two thousand and two prompted police 503 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: to put an apprehended violence order in place to protect Alice. 504 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: It was in that same year Evelyn was dating Kevin 505 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: and learned about Rochelle's debt. 506 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: He brought it up in a conversation. He said, I've 507 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: had a rough day today. I've had to go and 508 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: give DNA sample. And I went, what a young girl 509 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: actually at work has been murdered. And I went, oh, 510 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: my god, that's so frightening. And he said yes, he 511 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: said she was found and she was burnt, and she 512 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: used to work at the car sales yard and everybody 513 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: who worked with her obviously has to give DNA of course, 514 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to find out what's going on. 515 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: And I went, oh, that is so terrible. And I said, 516 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: you like, you know, you all right with oh, yeah, 517 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, like it's just sad. There's a lot of 518 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: people being called in. I really didn't think anything of it. 519 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: And what was Kevin's demeanor when he told you this, Oh. 520 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: Very somber, like, you know, he was just discussing with 521 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: me something that happened at work. It wasn't like he 522 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: was broken hearted or anything. Later on down the track, 523 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: and I can't remember when I asked these questions. It 524 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: was starting to bug me. So I sort of said, oh, 525 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: have you heard any more about that young girl? And 526 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: he said, oh, yeah, you know, it's really awful. You 527 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: know that they found her body and it was burnt, 528 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: and you know, they cut her fingers to her fingers 529 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: off because you know, when you steal from the bikes, 530 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: that's what they do, So that's probably the track that 531 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: they're going to go looking down, and I went, oh 532 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: my god, that's so terrible. It wasn't emotional at all, 533 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: very stonefaced. It was just a conversation. 534 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 3: Alice would later tell Colin and police about a worrying 535 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: trip to the South Coast that she made with Kevin 536 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: not long after Rochelle had been killed. According to Alice, 537 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 3: Kevin drove her through seven Mile Beach at GIRoA, pointing 538 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: out where Rochelle's burning body had been discovered. 539 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 4: She had told me about an instance where he had 540 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 4: taken her for they'd gone for a drive one day 541 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 4: and he'd taken it to the site where Rachelle was found. 542 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 4: Details that he'd given about it, and in particular, there 543 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 4: was one where he had said he had been blaming 544 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 4: bikes for it. He'd been sort of pushing that pitch. 545 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 4: And then also it was at that time that he 546 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 4: said that fingers had been removed, which was a calling 547 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 4: card of the Bikis. He had sort of emphasized that 548 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 4: in conversations with her to sort of make her think 549 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 4: that he had nothing to do with it. It was 550 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 4: that old bikey related He said that this is where 551 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 4: it was, which again that I. 552 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 5: Thought was quite odd one. 553 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 4: How did he know the exact location? And how would 554 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 4: he have certain details like that that were not publicized? 555 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 5: How would he have those sorts of details. 556 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: She's so young, why would she be involved with bikis? 557 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 3: And did he tell you why he believed that or 558 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 3: why he held that view? 559 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 5: No? 560 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: What was his demeanor when he was telling you this 561 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 2: story about the bikis who? 562 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 9: It was? 563 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 8: Smooth? 564 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: He was, you know, cook of spaghetti, I think on 565 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: the stove, and would you like a cup of coffee? 566 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: And I actually felt like, Okay, this is this is 567 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: this is actually all right. 568 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 3: Kevin was blaming bikies to anyone who asked questions about 569 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 3: Rochelle's murder. And this was all laid bare at Rochelle's 570 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 3: inn quest, which began at Glebe Coroner's Court in Sydney 571 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 3: in two thousand and six. Rochelle's initial autops who revealed 572 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 3: at least one of her fingers had been detached from 573 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 3: her hand, but investigators thought this was a tightly held 574 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 3: secret until key witnesses started to tell police information Only 575 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: investigators and the killer would likely know. So take me 576 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 3: to the inquest. When were you told that you were 577 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 3: needed to give evidence? And what was that experience? Like 578 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: what happened? 579 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: I remember the detectives wringing me and speaking to me 580 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: about what would happen when I got there and who 581 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: would be there, and that I was safe and that 582 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't run into heaven or really anyone else I knew, 583 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: which I was really happy about. I think they just 584 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: wanted to make me feel comfortable because I was really scared. 585 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: So I arrived at the coroner's court. Then when I 586 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: went in myself and the next person who was going 587 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: to give evidence, this particular lady was allowed to listen 588 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: to what I had to say, and I spoke about 589 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: Kevin's demeanor and his behavior and how I was told 590 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: that Rachelle had died, but I left out the fact 591 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: that I knew that her fingers were severed. 592 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 8: Sorry, because I was looking at a mom and dad. 593 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 1: And I felt sick, and I thought that it wasn't 594 00:36:47,480 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: necessary for me to say that the details weren't important, 595 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: and that's how I thought. And you know, I remember 596 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: sitting there in that dock looking at them thinking, oh 597 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: my god, I've got to talk about your baby. This 598 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: is just like awful. So I gave my statement and 599 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: it was sorry at my evidence that day, and I 600 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: remember walking in and my hair was pulled back in 601 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: a bun, and I had a black suit on with 602 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: a white blouse underneath and a pair of pearl earrings. 603 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: When I walked out of the dock where I was 604 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: sitting into my back into my seat, the next witness 605 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: was called and she stood up and she walked to 606 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: the dock and I thought I was looking at myself. 607 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: She had the same suit on, the same earrings, the 608 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: same hair pulled back. I think her hair was lighter 609 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: than mine, and I was. 610 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 3: Shocked Evelyn was looking at Alice. It would be the 611 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 3: first time Kevin's ex partners would cross parts inside the 612 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 3: courtroom during the inquest of Rochelle Charles. It was a 613 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 3: surreal moment for both of them. 614 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: She'd obviously already seen me. I was allowed to stay 615 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: in the courtroom because I'd already given my evidence and 616 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: she was the last person I'm pretty sure of the day. 617 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 3: But in terms of your evidence, so you've finished your evidence, 618 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 3: you've sat down, and Alice has got up to give 619 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 3: her evidence, and how did that sit with you when 620 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 3: you were listening to her elections? 621 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: Like quite shocking, but not because it sounded like mine. 622 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: It was very you know, there was probably more the 623 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: things that I had said. I did hold back because 624 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: I was so emotionally distraught over these parents sitting there. 625 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: It was very eye opening to see this lady up there, 626 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: but I did feel like I was looking at myself. 627 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 4: Clearly upset about having to do it. And then I 628 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 4: wasn't in the room, but there was a conversation between 629 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,439 Speaker 4: her and Rachelle's family. 630 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: And I remember the detectives coming over to me. 631 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 5: Girl. 632 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: Detective Heywood asked whether Rachelle's mom and dad could speak 633 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: to me and. 634 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 10: Alice, and we said yes, of course, And I remember 635 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 10: her put her hand over the top of my hand 636 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 10: and she said, I'm so. 637 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: Glad that you're here to be able to tell your story. 638 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: She said, I really truly am. And it was heartbreaking. 639 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: Just all of it was heartbreaking, and it rocked, you know, 640 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: it rocked my world for a very long time. 641 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 4: And I believe they thanked her for coming forward. 642 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: And it ate me away to think that there was 643 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: things that I you know may have been able to remember, 644 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: but I tried. But when I was leaving, Detective Haywood 645 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: said to me, you know you can go and if 646 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,959 Speaker 1: there's anything at all that you can remember, no matter 647 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: how difficult it is or how sad you think it's 648 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: going to make somebody, I need you to call me 649 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: and I need you to tell me what it is. 650 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: And I remember coming home and I couldn't sleep that 651 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: night because I keep remembering, you know, oh my god, 652 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: you know this has happened, that's happened, listening to Alice's 653 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:45,439 Speaker 1: story as well. And I rang the detective and I said, 654 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: I don't know whether this is significant or not. And 655 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to say it in front of the 656 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: parents yesterday. But Kevin, on a few different occasions too 657 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: that I can recall, said to me that Rachelle's fingers 658 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: were severed by bikeys. That's what you do when you 659 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: steal from bikeys. Now, I said, I'm sorry, but I 660 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: just didn't want to say that in front of her parents. 661 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to. So with that, she said, okay, 662 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't want you to talk about this to anybody, 663 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: and I will contact you tomorrow morning. So twenty four 664 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: hours had passed and she contacted me and said that 665 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: there's been a decision to exhume Rachelle's body. 666 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 7: It's been a dramatic day and the murder in quest 667 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 7: of Rochelle Childs's burnt body was found five years ago 668 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 7: on a lonely South Coast road. 669 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: Broke my heart. I felt sick that the parents would 670 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: have to go through that. 671 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 7: The court was told have her body has been exhumed, 672 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 7: revealing that one of her fingers was missing. 673 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: To my knowledge, no one else had said that. 674 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 7: And one of the few who knew that was the 675 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 7: major suspect in the case. 676 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 9: He's now the prime suspect in the murder of Rochelle 677 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 9: Child's grandfather of two, Kevin Corell. 678 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 3: So what did Alice say that Kevin would bring up 679 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 3: about Rochelle in terms of their relationship. 680 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 4: She did feel that it was odd that he did 681 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 4: talk about it quite a bit. 682 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 9: Kevin Corell is the last person of interest and it's 683 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 9: a position he'd rather not be in. 684 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 3: But you were left feeling that Alice felt like he 685 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 3: had some sort of fixation on Rochelle Yes. 686 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: Sitting in the stand. 687 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 9: Kevin Corell was told Rochelle's body has recently been experiened. 688 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 3: How would you describe him from what you know and 689 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 3: your experience with him? 690 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: He's the devil. 691 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 9: In course, mister Correll's lawyer declared, it's trench warfare. 692 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: He's the devil and that is the nicest word that 693 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: I can use. 694 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 3: On the next episode of Dear Rochelle. 695 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 5: Mister Carell was the witness. 696 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 4: Our purpose is not to trap him unfairly, but to 697 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 4: persuade him to tell the truth. 698 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 6: When we went to Leppington to assume her, I wasn't 699 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 6: allowed to tell anyone because Kevin did put a rumor 700 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 6: out that that's for bik is dear And she was 701 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 6: actually with the medical examiner at the time that Kevin 702 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 6: was on the stand giving evidence. 703 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 5: The walking Shaw featured heavily in this inquest. 704 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 6: Evan her boss, told her that a walking shaw was 705 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 6: coming into the car yard. 706 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: He said, oh, come and have a look at my car. 707 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: I said, it was a walking shaw. 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