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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to the Bloody You Project.

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Speaker 1: David Gillespie. Tiffany and Koku's still as zen as fuck.

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Speaker 1: She just got back from India. She trained today in

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Speaker 1: the gym. It was like having the Dalai Lama on

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Speaker 1: the bench press. It was just so bloody. It was

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Speaker 1: just so calm. Everyone was just swamming around, no aggression.

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Speaker 1: Probably not the right analogy the Dealai Lama. But are

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Speaker 1: you still floating on cloud nine?

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Speaker 2: I am?

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Speaker 3: I am, And every time I'm in the car, I'm

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Speaker 3: ringing people to tell him I love them.

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Speaker 2: It's so wow.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Have you hunger Lesbo and told him yet?

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Speaker 2: Michael?

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Speaker 3: Fuck?

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Speaker 1: I haven't got Michael either, so yes, I'd tell you what.

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Speaker 1: There must be a long list.

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Speaker 3: Bloody rubbish. You got to hug at the gym.

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Speaker 1: I did get a hug at the gym. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Are you? Have you got a terminal disease?

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Speaker 1: What is wrong? Are you unwell? Tiff doesn't tifts a

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Speaker 1: little bit like my dad. She doesn't just hand out hugs, right,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, if you and I ever meet

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Speaker 1: in person, there will be no hugging. There's zero chance

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Speaker 1: of I might just wrap you up in my big

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Speaker 1: strong arms and make you hug me. I might just

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Speaker 1: spoon you from behind without your consent.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear, that sounds awful.

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Speaker 1: Big spoon, little spoon, day, little spoon again. Craig, how

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Speaker 1: are you, mate?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good. I don't know what earth we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about today. I hope you've got some ideas well.

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Speaker 1: I know exactly what we're going to talk about because

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Speaker 1: you put up a very interesting article and it's something

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Speaker 1: quite different for us on the show, and that is

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Speaker 1: you were talking about technology and cars. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: really look at what you put up today, if you'll

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Speaker 1: find this interesting. I found this interesting, and also I

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Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me, and I've been worried. Not massive.

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Speaker 1: I don't fucking lose sleep over it, but I've been

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Speaker 1: thinking about this stuff for a while. And so the

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Speaker 1: title of Dave's article that he put up Dave's article

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Speaker 1: is Hey, Siri, am I being spied on the car?

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Speaker 1: That knows too much? I just want to read the

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Speaker 1: first paragraph because I love it, or the first sentence

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Speaker 1: or two. Henry Ford would be horrified his model T

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Speaker 1: once a symbol of freedom has morphed into a rolling

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Speaker 1: surveillance device, tracking our every mood and move, and EA's

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Speaker 1: dropping on our conversations. Turn up the airk on Jeeves,

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Speaker 1: you say in the car like a dutiful servant, obligeres

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Speaker 1: take me to my favorite bar, you demand, and the

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Speaker 1: car with the wisdom of a pub quiz champion who's

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Speaker 1: been rifling through your bins blots the quickest route or

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Speaker 1: route depending on how you go with that word. It's

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Speaker 1: all it is happening, isn't it, mister Gillespie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I mean it started with the things they

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Speaker 2: in our houses and tell us they're there to help us.

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Speaker 2: You know, the you know, the Alexa or whatever they're called.

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Speaker 2: little Google devices. And it's always amazed me that people

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Speaker 2: are happy putting those things in their house because, by definition,

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Speaker 2: by design, they're there for you. They're listening to everything

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Speaker 2: that happens in your house. And honestly, just like one

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Speaker 2: of the people that commented on the article, I've had

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Speaker 2: people say to me, I know it doesn't listen all

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Speaker 2: the time. It only listens when I say hey Google

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Speaker 2: or hey Cereal, or whatever it is. Well, that's rubbish.

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Speaker 2: How can it possibly do that. It has to be

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Speaker 2: listening all the time, or else it wouldn't know that

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Speaker 2: you'd said that. And if it's listening all the time,

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Speaker 2: what is it doing with the data that it's collecting.

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Speaker 2: I'm not at all reassured that there's any kind of

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Speaker 2: privacy for the data that's being collected. You know, as

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Speaker 2: I said that in that piece, you know they give

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Speaker 2: you a privacy agreement that's ten thousand words of legal speak.

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Speaker 2: You know that reads like kling on. It's it's really

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Speaker 2: is recording? And most people would say, what do you

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Speaker 2: mean it's recording? Well, of course it's recording. It's got

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Speaker 2: to learn your voice, it's got to understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: and of course it's recording. And there's no assurances as

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Speaker 2: far as I can tell, that any of that is private.

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Speaker 2: And when you transfer that into a car where now

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Speaker 2: in a home it might be a little bit more obvious.

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Speaker 2: Right in a home for those who think about it

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Speaker 2: a bit. Obviously it's a recording device. But in a car,

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Speaker 2: though a lot of things are voice activated in modern cars.

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Speaker 2: This study of choices that came out today, which is

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Speaker 2: what prompted me to write that article, to me, I

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Speaker 2: thought was pretty shocking stuff. I mean, not only are

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Speaker 2: they recording your voice and passing it on to third

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Speaker 2: parties to train ais whatever that means, you know, and

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Speaker 2: who are these third parties and where are they located?

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Speaker 2: You know, when Choice sent requests for that kind of

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Speaker 2: information to the car companies, they've got nada. But then

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Speaker 2: you look at say something like Tesla, and it's not

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Speaker 2: just recording your voice, it's recording video. This thing is

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Speaker 2: monitoring you, recording video and sending it back to base.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, So it's recording video of you in the car.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh that makes it think twice about everything you've done.

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Speaker 2: In a car, doesn't it. Hell, I'm very worried about

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Speaker 2: something she's been doing.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, I'm glad. I'm glad they didn't

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Speaker 1: put them in Ford Escorts in the eighties. I would

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Speaker 2: the Gemini, I tell you. But do you know what.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. So I bought a car about three months

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Speaker 1: a fancy car. Right, it's not a fancy car. It's

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Speaker 1: just a regular car. But they when I bought it,

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Speaker 1: there's this when you start it, it says, do you

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Speaker 1: this other shit that goes directly to I don't know,

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Speaker 1: hunni HQ order. It's just a high UNDI what is it? No, bloody,

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Speaker 1: I should know the name of it, Santa Fe.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So, but it's got this thing that you plug into

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Speaker 1: this thing. And I said to the guy, but what

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Speaker 1: what is that? It just gives you better this and

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I know, we've all got them. I'm like, yeah, cool, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You should read that the study that Choice put out

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Speaker 2: the same company, and they could not provide any guarantees

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Speaker 2: And they were collecting a lot of data. So it's

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Speaker 2: not just your voice, and it's not just vision, which

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Speaker 2: to me is scary enough. It's also data about how

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Speaker 2: data about how you accelerate, how you break. All that

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff is being transmitted continuously. So it isn't

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Speaker 2: a big lead to think that we aren't too far

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Speaker 2: away from the point where the police don't need to

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Speaker 2: do anything other than get a warrant against the car

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Speaker 2: company to find out whether you've been speeding where your

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Speaker 2: So it's that kind of thing that is fair enough

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Speaker 2: if you know about it. But as you just described,

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Speaker 2: how do you know about it? You asked the question,

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Speaker 2: which is probably one step more than most people do,

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Speaker 2: and you didn't get an answer.

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Speaker 1: No. It was all very vague. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: were trying to be evasive. I don't think they knew. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they actually truly know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know this is digressing. We'll come back to cars. But

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Speaker 1: the other morning, I had a meeting with some friends

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Speaker 1: of mine and we're talking about Creatine, which is just

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Speaker 1: a supplement. You know, Jan and Ien Tiff, the lovely

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Speaker 1: old couple, old and young, in their mid eighties and

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Speaker 1: fucking amazing. Anyway, I was talking to them about Creatine.

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Speaker 1: I said to them, well, I'm sponsored by Max's, so

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Speaker 1: I use Max's Creatine, right, and you know, so whatever, right,

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Speaker 1: so that I know that that works and this is

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Speaker 1: do a search. I was just talking about it and

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Speaker 1: me all these ads. How bloody weird is that?

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Speaker 2: It's not weird at all. And this is coming back

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Speaker 2: to the point we started from, which is these devices

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Speaker 2: if you suddenly inserted into that conversation, Hey Google or

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Speaker 2: it's got to be listening to every word you say,

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Speaker 2: and they do not guarantee at all that they A

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Speaker 2: aren't recording and b aren't selling that data. And the

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Speaker 2: example you're giving proves it. They are definitely recording it,

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Speaker 2: and they are definitely selling it. And who are they

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Speaker 2: selling it to. They're selling it into ad networks that

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Speaker 2: present those pages to you. And so in the first

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Speaker 2: few microseconds of you opening a web page, it's gone

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Speaker 2: trolling through the ad network and the ad marketplace that

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Speaker 2: your conversation has been sold to and finding you relevant ads.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, what about the idea that you know with

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Speaker 1: some of these very very high tech cars, like even

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Speaker 1: some of the BYD, which is the Japanese the Chinese

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Speaker 1: competitor to Tesla, which some of the Chinese cars that

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Speaker 1: very close to you know, Japanese production and build quality

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Speaker 1: and all of that, if not the same. So BYD

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Speaker 1: and so on. But these are essentially computers with wheels,

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Speaker 1: like they're fully electric. You can. Tesla have this thing

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Speaker 1: where they can increase the power in your car with

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Speaker 1: an update, Like you don't have to take it. You

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Speaker 1: a blower or a fucking a turbo put on it.

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Speaker 1: Like they literally change. I don't understand this, but they

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Speaker 1: do some kind of diagnostic adjustment or something, and now

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Speaker 1: your car puts out more power. Like what about the

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Speaker 1: remote maybe not remote possibility that one day I'm driving

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Speaker 1: my computer on wheels and it hijacks the car.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or it takes you to the creatine store. It's

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Speaker 2: heard you having a conversation. You might have mentioned that

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Speaker 2: way home, it decides to take a little detour and

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Speaker 2: pop your into grab some huh.

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Speaker 1: So is there a is there an antidote? Is there

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Speaker 1: that the police will start to use that data? Because

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would understand there. I would understand them

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Speaker 1: wanting to do that, because it would, at the very least,

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Speaker 1: it would seem to be able to provide some valuable

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Speaker 1: information in certain contexts.

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Speaker 2: It crosses a line, a really important line, and that's

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Speaker 2: the one I mentioned before, which is it's all well

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Speaker 2: and good. A company who wants to sell you something

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Speaker 2: knowing all this information about you. Well, I want to say,

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Speaker 2: all well and good. It's not that horrible, except the

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Speaker 2: one in Tift's house recording everything that goes on there.

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Speaker 1: But it's.

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Speaker 2: Still just a commercial arrangement. And even if you haven't

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Speaker 2: opted into it. You'll become aware of it. In the

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Speaker 2: worst case scenario here is that you get presented, you know,

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Speaker 2: with a box of creatine. When you transfer that over

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Speaker 2: to authority that has the power to prosecute and jail you,

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Speaker 2: then that's a very different thing altogether. And our legal

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Speaker 2: system quite honestly, isn't built for this, hasn't anticipated this

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Speaker 2: at all. Yes, And at the moment, there's kind of

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Speaker 2: a wall there where the private companies who we are

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Speaker 2: trusting not to do anything bad with all that information

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Speaker 2: they know about us, are we're also trusting not to

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Speaker 2: ever release that information to a law enforcement authority if

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Speaker 2: they ask for it. It's a big line in trust,

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Speaker 2: I've got to say. And it's an area where we

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Speaker 2: really need to start thinking about it because it's going

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Speaker 2: to bite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Oh my god. I wonder what the future

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Speaker 1: holds well, TI, if we're being spied on, we're being tracked,

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Speaker 1: we're being monitored, and I don't think we have the

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Speaker 1: level of freedom that we thought we do.

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Speaker 2: But on the upside, Tiff can turn off her lights

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Speaker 2: without getting out of bed, yes, and.

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Speaker 1: I can get creatine heads.

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Speaker 2: That's right, mate.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you going tiff. Were you going to say something?

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Speaker 3: I was sad I didn't have to put up with

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Speaker 3: this ship on the Humalayas there.

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Speaker 1: No, Well, someone was tracking you because you had your phone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had your phone. Someone new you were there.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I'll bet if you go and look up

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Speaker 2: your phone's history of your geographic location, which you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to be able to do, it'll have every place.

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Speaker 1: You went, So you're not that Dalai lama after all.

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Speaker 3: No, no, all right mate

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Speaker 2: Thank you nowhere I see you