Speaker 1: Welcome to Something to Talk About the Stella Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Sarah Lamarquin to your host, and every week I
Speaker 2: sit down with some of the biggest names in the
Speaker 2: country because when Australia's celebrities are ready to talk, they
Speaker 2: come to Something to talk about. The last time I
Speaker 2: sat down in this studio with Natalie Basinthwaite, I had
Speaker 2: no idea what would unexpectedly unfold in the course of
Speaker 2: our conversation.
Speaker 1: It turns out neither did she.
Speaker 2: But Nat had been quietly rediscovering who she was following
Speaker 2: the end of her marriage to Cameron, her rogue trader's
Speaker 2: bandmate and father of her two children, and as Nat
Speaker 2: would reveal, she had also found new love.
Speaker 3: I think I had internalized homophobia myself, so I was
Speaker 3: terrified about what people would say and think and feel,
Speaker 3: and you know, it still pops up every now and then,
Speaker 3: but that's just ingrained and growing up in a certain
Speaker 3: time when you weren't allowed to be.
Speaker 2: Months later, Nat joins me today for an update on
Speaker 2: a topic close to her heart, reinvention.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've evolved so many times and changed, like
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a different person now to what
Speaker 3: it was three years ago to what it was ten
Speaker 3: years ago, twenty years ago. I look at that young
Speaker 3: girl and don't recognize her.
Speaker 2: From navigating co parenting without bitterness to basking in the
Speaker 2: glow of her relationship with Pip. As she heads towards
Speaker 2: her fiftieth birthday, Nat is taking on things she's never
Speaker 2: done before, including starring in a one woman show, Shirley Valentine.
Speaker 2: From Fear to Love and from Fame to laughter.
Speaker 1: We cover a lot.
Speaker 2: Of ground in today's episode, so let's dive in. Natalie
Speaker 2: bassingthat welcome back to the Stellar podcast.
Speaker 4: Still wrote at home here now, I know you're sure,
Speaker 4: have you and me a studio?
Speaker 2: I mean, the last time we sat down here was
Speaker 2: about sixteen months ago.
Speaker 3: On wasn't that long?
Speaker 1: It was the it was November twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Oh, it doesn't feel that long.
Speaker 1: And we're here for Wow, I.
Speaker 3: Love it, I know, can you believe it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And that look that was.
Speaker 2: Quite a moment and certainly my time of having the
Speaker 2: privilege of hosting this podcast, absolute standout moment, So absolute delight.
Speaker 1: To have you back here. You are a busy woman.
Speaker 2: You are in Shirley Valentine at the moment's been in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: really successful season. They're about to open in Adelaide. Just
Speaker 2: before we went on air, I'm in Sydney.
Speaker 3: I was going, what's it coming to say?
Speaker 1: What about Brisbane?
Speaker 2: So it's obviously been been a big kid. And of
Speaker 2: course for anyone that's not familiar with the story, Shirley
Speaker 2: is a housewife who feels very much stuck in the
Speaker 2: humdrum of domestic life.
Speaker 1: She's wondering what happened to that young party girl I
Speaker 1: used to be.
Speaker 2: She unexpectedly gets an invitation to a holiday in Greece.
Speaker 2: It is about second chances and self discovery and reinvention.
Speaker 1: On paper, your life.
Speaker 3: You're talking about me.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to say, I should really
Speaker 2: clarify because on paper, Nap Bass and Shirley Valentine Housewife
Speaker 2: don't look like there's many parallels.
Speaker 1: But when we talk about some of those other things, yeah.
Speaker 3: One hundred. I actually, you know, and I've said it before,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if there's a woman alive that
Speaker 3: doesn't resonate with Shirley in one way or another. And
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's been so successful for many years. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it was a play in the eighties, then a film,
Speaker 3: and then you know, now I'm lucky enough to play
Speaker 3: the role. But yeah, I definitely the reason why I
Speaker 3: took it on was it resonated with me, you know,
Speaker 3: and I knew it would resonate with so many people.
Speaker 3: And like my director said, though, it's not just for women,
Speaker 3: because you know, men find them see themselves in that
Speaker 3: character too, of where have I gone? What did I
Speaker 3: what have I become? You know, what's my next fifty years?
Speaker 3: Looking like like what's all this about? You know? And
Speaker 3: I just thought that was so beautiful, the story.
Speaker 1: It's so true because we used to call it when
Speaker 1: it was identified with men, you know, the midlife crisis,
Speaker 1: and that's been comes such an outdated term because first
Speaker 1: of all, forties, fifties, even sixties, people thinking.
Speaker 2: That less midlife now than like a little pit stop
Speaker 2: somewhere around maybe that the end of like the first
Speaker 2: or second act. That's what we're starting to think about it.
Speaker 2: But you're so right, it is that's a story that
Speaker 2: can really resonate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have there been times.
Speaker 2: In your life where you've thought as a teenager, as
Speaker 2: a young woman breaking out into the industry, in your twenties,
Speaker 2: where you've thought, Okay, it's time for me to have
Speaker 2: a bit of a reinvention, even if that's not necessarily
Speaker 2: the phrase that you use.
Speaker 1: At the time.
Speaker 3: Interestingly, I don't think i've realized that it's happened, but
Speaker 3: of course, I mean I've evolved so many times and changed,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I'm a different person now to
Speaker 3: what it was three years ago, to what it was
Speaker 3: ten years ago, twenty years ago. I look at that
Speaker 3: young girl and don't recognize her, you know, And it's
Speaker 3: exactly what Shirley says, is where did Where's Shirley Valentine?
Speaker 3: And like, I look at that girl and I go, oh,
Speaker 3: I remember her totally don't want to go back there.
Speaker 3: Just quietly, I'm really quite happy in this life, this
Speaker 3: evolution of my life. And yeah, yeah, I resonate with
Speaker 3: her so much. But I don't think that there's a
Speaker 3: woman alive that wouldn't either.
Speaker 1: You don't strike me as somebody that would look back
Speaker 1: and think.
Speaker 2: Gosh, I really wish I could go back to my
Speaker 2: teenage years on my twenties. I mean, I feel the same,
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of other women do something
Speaker 2: that Rebecca Giveney and I actually talked about Love.
Speaker 1: That Women podcasts recently.
Speaker 2: I was saying, how she seems a really great example
Speaker 2: of someone who life has genuinely just got better and
Speaker 2: better as she's gotten older.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in some.
Speaker 2: Rah rah rah bumper stick away in a really profound way.
Speaker 2: And it sounds as though that's also something for you.
Speaker 2: When you look at your life journey, as you say it,
Speaker 2: you're not looking back and wishing.
Speaker 3: To really not looking back like I have looked back
Speaker 3: recently to go how did I get here? For sure?
Speaker 3: And why has my life turned on its head? And
Speaker 3: I'm learning about that and it's I'm figuring it out.
Speaker 3: Is the truth, you know? And one day maybe I'll
Speaker 3: get to tell that story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, Shirley Valentine is a one woman show. No need
Speaker 1: to explain that. Everyone knows what that means.
Speaker 2: You're having a bad day, you're tired, there's nowhere to hide.
Speaker 1: How do you get match fit for a one woman show?
Speaker 3: You know? I who knows. I think I've figured out
Speaker 3: that I can do it. It was scary to I
Speaker 3: was just wondering whether it was possible, but I'd already
Speaker 3: said yeah, So too bad, right, You just have to
Speaker 3: make it happen. It's about putting the time and the
Speaker 3: energy into it and really being so familiar with the character,
Speaker 3: with the story, with the time and the place, and
Speaker 3: like it's really doing your homework and doing it for
Speaker 3: a long time. So I started like three months prior.
Speaker 3: I have a different accent, so I'm learning the accent,
Speaker 3: and then I play some other characters in the show,
Speaker 3: so I'm playing you know them, their accent. It kind
Speaker 3: of suits my crazy personality, I think. But it was
Speaker 3: really really hard. I won't lie the hardest thing I've
Speaker 3: ever done, hands down, but it seemed so far to
Speaker 3: be the most rewarding thing I've ever done because it
Speaker 3: is so challenging and to get myself into that space
Speaker 3: when I'm just beside myself, you don't have a choice.
Speaker 3: It's like you're it's like, you know, you are standing
Speaker 3: off that cliff and you're about to jump, and it's
Speaker 3: like here you go. You're going to sing or swim
Speaker 3: and everyone's watching, you know you just I mean, I
Speaker 3: have to take care of myself. I have to make
Speaker 3: sure that my health is in good Nick and you know,
Speaker 3: didn't go to the gym at all or pilates, which
Speaker 3: is not like me at all, but it kind of
Speaker 3: suited the character, so that failed, okay, And it was
Speaker 3: a lot of the time was keeping quiet because two
Speaker 3: hours of talking and crying and screaming and laughing and
Speaker 3: telling it like it's it was demanding. And also to
Speaker 3: reflect because the character dives into some things in her
Speaker 3: past that I resonated with and that's exhausting, Like you're
Speaker 3: constantly living her life, but there's this reflection of you
Speaker 3: in there and it's very draining. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: just keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2: And it's a good lesson in life, isn't it That
Speaker 2: idea of well, it's the old adage the show must
Speaker 2: go on when there's absolutely no choice. You do rally
Speaker 2: and you muster and you pull it off, and then
Speaker 2: you're proving yourself on those times where there is that
Speaker 2: opportunity in life all of us encounter.
Speaker 1: I think I could maybe just not show up here
Speaker 1: when you don't have that choice. It teaches you that
Speaker 1: you can get through whatever you have to.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe old school as well, like I believe
Speaker 3: you should go on, you know, unless you're like there's
Speaker 3: something serious going on. You should just you know, people
Speaker 3: have paid a lot of money to come and see you,
Speaker 3: and they're ready for that. You know. Yeah, it's so hard,
Speaker 3: but it's rewarding. And yeah, taking it back to day
Speaker 3: and day, I felt there was debilitating fear in my body,
Speaker 3: you know, like I felt like I was in the
Speaker 3: fetal position about a week before opening, going I can't
Speaker 3: do it, I can't remember it, And like, why would
Speaker 3: anyone write a story about like a perimenopausal woman, And
Speaker 3: then a perimenopausal woman is playing the role who can't
Speaker 3: remember what she was thinking about two seconds ago, let
Speaker 3: alone forty pages of dialogue? I'm like, who does this?
Speaker 3: But it's the most amazing script. I just yeah, I
Speaker 3: just had to. I had to do it. I had
Speaker 3: to dive in and see what would happen.
Speaker 2: When you come off stage after all of that, because,
Speaker 2: as you've talked about it, it's physically demanding, it's emotionally draining,
Speaker 2: and then you're getting this standing ovation.
Speaker 1: So it's the whole gamut of emotions.
Speaker 3: Do you come off and fall in a heap?
Speaker 1: Or do you think?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 1: What city am I in tonight?
Speaker 3: Like it, let's set out for I'm exhausted. I'm completely exhausted.
Speaker 3: I usually just like because you're full, You're on the
Speaker 3: entire time, and then you get this beautiful award of
Speaker 3: this connection with the audience, you know, and then you
Speaker 3: go into your dressing room and I'm like, and the
Speaker 3: week comes off and I make it comes off, and
Speaker 3: I just honestly just want to jump into bed. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a little bit about the
Speaker 2: accent you were saying, that's very demanding. Now she Shirley
Speaker 2: comes from Liverpool in the UK. You obviously are.
Speaker 1: A singer musician, so you have a good ear.
Speaker 2: We know that that can really help when actors are
Speaker 2: learning an accent.
Speaker 1: But if you've done many accents in your.
Speaker 3: C not like this, No, like I've always been I have.
Speaker 3: I have got a good ear, like I've always been
Speaker 3: able to pick up you know, the standard English, the
Speaker 3: standard American. But Liverpool. It threw me the first lesson
Speaker 3: that I had with the incredible Jennifer White, who works
Speaker 3: with Heather Mitchell, and like it's just she's phenomenal. I
Speaker 3: couldn't even say the word mother or bush, like my
Speaker 3: mouth didn't want to make those sounds, let alone the
Speaker 3: shapes and so three months of two and a half
Speaker 3: months of working with her every week, and everything was
Speaker 3: hurting at first, because it's like a new muscle as well,
Speaker 3: like my tongue and my jaw and my neck. Everything
Speaker 3: was hurting and I can't do this, and it eventually
Speaker 3: just She's like, you just got to be patient on
Speaker 3: a bit. It's like learning a new skill. You're not
Speaker 3: going to get it the first day, and as a performer,
Speaker 3: you really want to get it the first day because
Speaker 3: you feel like you're never going to get it. But
Speaker 3: it came and now I can just do it whenever,
Speaker 3: which is wild.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask if you would say something,
Speaker 2: whether it's character or just anything could be about.
Speaker 1: Like I haven't finished my coffee yet, right well.
Speaker 3: Yes, well I like a glass of wine when I'm
Speaker 3: doing the cooking today war but you know today I'm
Speaker 3: good to have a coffee because coffee is so good
Speaker 3: for you when you're really chatting like that, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Do you like your sada? I love it? Well, I
Speaker 3: love that it's nice in there.
Speaker 1: Oh so great.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean I'm clearly answering in my own one
Speaker 2: boring Australian accent, ask a little bit about reinvention before
Speaker 2: and wanted to talk looking back over the course of
Speaker 2: your career.
Speaker 1: I mean long.
Speaker 2: Before there was the phrase slashy. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they're still using that.
Speaker 3: You know, I want a dollar you Walter Lashy? Did
Speaker 3: you thirty years ago? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well that was fortuitous because that should really be upgraded,
Speaker 2: like from Dolly to maybe a Stellar award.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Obviously have worked across music or just talking about theater,
Speaker 2: acting in film and television. You've hosted shows, been on shows,
Speaker 2: as a participant on different shows.
Speaker 1: Is there I mean I assume.
Speaker 2: That there's a different part of yourself that you draw
Speaker 2: or tap into.
Speaker 1: For each genre. Is that true?
Speaker 2: And what have you learned about yourself over the course
Speaker 2: of the last few decades into it?
Speaker 3: I think I've realized that anything as possible, and I
Speaker 3: like a challenge. Clearly, I've always liked to challenge. I
Speaker 3: think life is for living and learning and challenging and
Speaker 3: being inspired and working with great people. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just I've never been show of going okay and
Speaker 3: then go oh, now how do you do it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Now, what you know and and it's really exhilarating and
Speaker 3: exhilarating to try new things and to see what you're
Speaker 3: capable of. Yeah, I just I actually love what I
Speaker 3: do so much, and the more that I can experience
Speaker 3: life in completely different ways, the better for me. I'm
Speaker 3: that type of person.
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything as an outside observer that
Speaker 2: you haven't tackled in terms.
Speaker 1: Of the possibilities of work.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course there's always roles and projects.
Speaker 1: Could that's right, is a lawyer.
Speaker 2: But is there something on the list or anything that
Speaker 2: is in the back of your mind that you haven't
Speaker 2: yet explored that you I mean, this.
Speaker 3: Is my first one woman play and my only second
Speaker 3: ever play in my life, so I've only done one
Speaker 3: play before. Obviously musicals and like, but just to be
Speaker 3: straight acting was a challenge. I think I've always wanted
Speaker 3: to be in a movie musical, you know. And I
Speaker 3: know that I just did Elvis, but I wasn't singing
Speaker 3: in that. I just played a tiny bit part or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like, to be able to actually be the performer
Speaker 3: in the film would be wild. I'm one of those
Speaker 3: people that if someone presents a concept or an idea
Speaker 3: of my next job, like I really have to take
Speaker 3: my time more often than not, like saying, with this play,
Speaker 3: it's like he's one woman player. I said, no, how
Speaker 3: does anyone learn that much? I didn't even know, don't
Speaker 3: know what happened a second ago. But then when I
Speaker 3: read it, I was so moved by this story and
Speaker 3: the emotion of it, and I felt like there was
Speaker 3: a similarity in my life of going, oh, you know.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't say no. I said, a lot of
Speaker 3: women men, anyone who wants to play a role like
Speaker 3: this to be given this opportunity, I couldn't turn it down.
Speaker 2: And up next, Nat on the importance of being honest
Speaker 2: about what you're going through and how she feels approaching
Speaker 2: her fiftieth birthday. I was going to ask about turning
Speaker 2: fifty this year. You are going to be turning fifty
Speaker 2: in September. You and I've spoken before about that. Last
Speaker 2: time we spoke, he said, the joy of getting older
Speaker 2: is that there's less pressure.
Speaker 1: I'm at a place where I feel.
Speaker 2: Confident with where I'm at and who I am. And
Speaker 2: also we're talking about one of the things that I
Speaker 2: really always love about you know, as you've always been
Speaker 2: very generous about talking about Yes, I'm conscious of being
Speaker 2: just first of all, a warmen because most women are
Speaker 2: thinking about physical appearances. That's a downside of getting older.
Speaker 2: Not everyone feels that way, but I like you am
Speaker 2: a really genuine believer in all the amazing things that
Speaker 2: come with the passing years.
Speaker 3: But we also know that I know everything's sacking skin
Speaker 3: of everything's drooping a little bit lower than it ever.
Speaker 1: You look amazing, you really really do. And of course
Speaker 1: you're on the cover of Stellar today.
Speaker 2: So no one needs to take my word for it,
Speaker 2: and that looks gorgeous as always. But I do love
Speaker 2: that you've been honest about that because I think that's
Speaker 2: a bit of a tussle with all women, but especially
Speaker 2: for women in the public eye, because as a fear
Speaker 2: of being judged, if you are vulnerable about that something
Speaker 2: that you think about, and if you don't think about
Speaker 2: it or don't talk about it, then everyone pretends.
Speaker 3: It's never the right answer, right, there's never the right
Speaker 3: kind of space to be in. I just feel like,
Speaker 3: as women supporting women, we need just to be honest
Speaker 3: because that's what shares that kinship. You know, like there's
Speaker 3: nothing and I might have said this last time. But
Speaker 3: they got to a space for me a few years
Speaker 3: ago where Instagram was just so everyone was so beautiful
Speaker 3: and so fabulous and had so much money and their
Speaker 3: lives were perfect. And it still does that now, you know.
Speaker 3: But I switched off like everyone that no longer served me,
Speaker 3: Like I went through this big culling process so that
Speaker 3: it was just people who inspired me and like I
Speaker 3: follow like poets and met like beautiful, you know, inspiring women,
Speaker 3: and like, honestly I do because then if I do
Speaker 3: get that, oh, I just want to flick, which we
Speaker 3: all what's happening now. It's like, bang, here's some positive stuff.
Speaker 3: Here's like a beautiful you know quote or a poem
Speaker 3: or I tend to get more of that stuff now
Speaker 3: because the algorithms the way that they were. That's a
Speaker 3: good hack. That's it's like, you're gonna still do it
Speaker 3: because it's part of our society, you know, you still
Speaker 3: kind of want to, like part of me wants to
Speaker 3: just get rid of it all together. But it's really
Speaker 3: good for work and it's a part of our industry.
Speaker 3: But I just think it'd be so much nicer if
Speaker 3: women were a bit more open and honest about their
Speaker 3: hardships and their you know, life isn't perfect, and everyone
Speaker 3: who says their life is perfect, it's not. It's it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they're not having a great life, but
Speaker 3: they've had stuff. Everyone's got trauma and triggers and you know,
Speaker 3: and the more that we share in that community, I
Speaker 3: think the better because it makes feel better about ourselves.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So, how do you have any plans for fiftieth birth?
Speaker 1: Quite a few months.
Speaker 3: Away, I've started to plan. I started to like, I've
Speaker 3: changed so many times, but I was like, maybe I'll
Speaker 3: do fifty things before fifty. And then when i started
Speaker 3: writing a list of things, I'm like, oh, I've done that,
Speaker 3: and I've done that, Like I've hot air ballooned, I've
Speaker 3: jumped out of a bungee jump. I mean, i haven't
Speaker 3: hot air ballooned. That's in a couple of weeks. I've
Speaker 3: jumped out of an air So I've done some scary stuff.
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, I've seen, you know, the Pyramids,
Speaker 3: and I've like I've traveled. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I've kind of done a lot of that stuff. The
Speaker 3: one thing that I'm definitely doing is my older sister
Speaker 3: and I and my Nan. We're going to go down
Speaker 3: to a caravan park that we used to go to.
Speaker 3: And I was originally thinking maybe I'll just rain down
Speaker 3: the hot entire caravan park and just have all my
Speaker 3: friends and kids and big like that. Now I'm just
Speaker 3: going to make up my Nan and my sister just
Speaker 3: for a night or two because we used to go
Speaker 3: there as kids, and that just really feels. My NaN's
Speaker 3: ninety two now and we used to travel around Australia
Speaker 3: with my Nan in a caravan, and I think that's
Speaker 3: something that I definitely want to do. But I'm really
Speaker 3: kind of vibing on whether this happens or not. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find the right space. And I've seen a
Speaker 3: couple at the moment of having a very intimate dinner
Speaker 3: of like just eight of my best girlfriends who have
Speaker 3: been you know, the ride or dies for fifty years
Speaker 3: or forty fifty years, and then the next day having
Speaker 3: a beautiful picnic sort of thing with all my friends,
Speaker 3: all their partners, lots of kids running around, just playing
Speaker 3: games and dancing with barefoot in the grass. So you
Speaker 3: both at all you do exactly.
Speaker 2: It's a metaphor for life, and you should have it
Speaker 2: all because it's that intimacy of that small group, but
Speaker 2: then having that big group as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, why not a lot of people.
Speaker 3: I want to do yogurt and caw ceremonies and get
Speaker 3: on a horse and ride. So I kind of want
Speaker 3: a weekend of.
Speaker 2: Just you know, maybe fifty ways to celebrate, and you
Speaker 2: could come up with all of.
Speaker 3: These different you watch this space, so I'll tell you
Speaker 3: you posted. Yeah, I'm excited. It's it's nice. It's a
Speaker 3: nice it's surreal that I'm fifty, Like I keep forgetting that.
Speaker 3: That's you know, when I was eighteen, like thirty was
Speaker 3: so old, and now I'm nearly fifty. But it's just
Speaker 3: such a joy, Like I've never felt so comfortable in
Speaker 3: my own skin and in my own space. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm probably happier than I've ever been, which
Speaker 3: is wild.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. It's great. And also what a year you
Speaker 1: will have had by then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully by that point, Julie Valentine will too the
Speaker 2: whole country. So I want to ask you a little
Speaker 2: bit about International Women's Day as well. So, yes, you've
Speaker 2: had a birthday coming up in September, but actually at
Speaker 2: the end of this week, March eight is International Women's Day. Now,
Speaker 2: that's always well, I would know. Talking about social media,
Speaker 2: and in my former life as a columnist, I always
Speaker 2: had angry people. Sometimes sorry, don't get angry at me, men,
Speaker 2: but there was often a disproportionate number of angry men saying,
Speaker 2: why do we need International Women's Day, Where's the International
Speaker 2: Men's Day?
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah, bank your own day exactly, And.
Speaker 1: In fact they did. There is somewhere on the calendar.
Speaker 1: Absolutely they do.
Speaker 3: But I also.
Speaker 2: Think I would be happy if we didn't need it.
Speaker 2: But in my view, we don't still have equality. We
Speaker 2: don't have proper representation in the boardrooms, in power, we
Speaker 2: have a gender pay gap. The inequality can be even
Speaker 2: more entrenched among women of color, and obviously there's different
Speaker 2: parts of the world where the disparity is absolutely horrifying.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've asked an answered the question. Very obnoxious
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 1: Really, all we only care about is your thought.
Speaker 2: On that thatt the need for International Women's Day in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Five, I love it. We need it more than ever
Speaker 3: because even though there has been a lot of shifts,
Speaker 3: especially in my lifetime, you know, from the eighties to now,
Speaker 3: even like my teenage years, there's been so many. But
Speaker 3: there's always a way to go, always a way to
Speaker 3: stand up and be proud and have a voice and
Speaker 3: be heard. And we have such talented, brilliant, minded women
Speaker 3: and nurturing women, and like, I think that gets underestimated
Speaker 3: in the world of boardroom, in the world of politics,
Speaker 3: in the world of theater. I mean, you know, film
Speaker 3: and television and producing and power and directing, and it's
Speaker 3: coming though, you know, like you see the Barbie movie,
Speaker 3: even though it's Barbie, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like the first female director to be like all of
Speaker 3: that stuff is just crazy to me, but it is.
Speaker 3: It's seeping through, you know, Reese Witherspoon having her production
Speaker 3: company and Jessica Albert having and I'm talking about my industry.
Speaker 3: But seeing this happen. It's slow and it's but it's happening.
Speaker 3: So I still think it's it's a chance to stand
Speaker 3: up and also not just you know, complain and be down,
Speaker 3: but also celebrate what we've achieved in my lifetime so
Speaker 3: far and what there is to go, you know, we're
Speaker 3: not there yet. We're going to keep going until. I
Speaker 3: don't know, why not keep going forever. You know, absolutely
Speaker 3: so much more equality that needs to happen. There's so
Speaker 3: much more I think, gratitude for one another in this
Speaker 3: space of being a woman and being proud of each
Speaker 3: other and supporting each other. So that's what I like
Speaker 3: to see for International Women's Day as well, is allowing
Speaker 3: opening our hearts, our minds, and our souls to be heard.
Speaker 2: That's a really nice way to put it, I think,
Speaker 2: and so true, having a bit more gratitude for one another.
Speaker 2: And I think also it's because, as you say, you're
Speaker 2: talking about your industry, and that's really important because we
Speaker 2: all speak to our own industries. But your industry of course,
Speaker 2: is also a huge cultural touchstone. It's about visibility and
Speaker 2: things like the Barbie movie and what we are seeing
Speaker 2: in theater and the music that we're listening to. That
Speaker 2: has a huge cultural effect on everyone. It shows everyone,
Speaker 2: especially young girls, what they could be, the opportunities you
Speaker 2: and I boast sport women you look.
Speaker 1: At and female year. No, sorry, it's very it's.
Speaker 2: I know, it's it's just for I'd like to think
Speaker 2: it's me.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's right.
Speaker 3: So it's so.
Speaker 2: Important that that visibility because that's also something that you
Speaker 2: would have observed and also been an active participant in,
Speaker 2: is helping shift the conversation around being grateful for one another,
Speaker 2: otherwise known sometimes as women supporting other women, and being
Speaker 2: reflective in a good way of how far we have come,
Speaker 2: but also not being shamed into not acknowledging that we
Speaker 2: still have a way to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's okay.
Speaker 6: Absolutely we can be great and also absolutely give us
Speaker 6: more that I wanted to ask you a little bit
Speaker 6: another actually milestone Rogue Traders Voodoo Child. You know, it's
Speaker 6: going to mark twenty years since it's released this May.
Speaker 6: I mean, we've just got milestones all over the place here.
Speaker 1: I mean, any any plans with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're rereleasing the track, which is beautiful,
Speaker 3: you know, and just such a yeah, full circle moment,
Speaker 3: you know, twenty years again. It just when you even
Speaker 3: said that, the last time we did think was sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like twenty years ago. There's so much that's happened in
Speaker 3: twenty years. But also it feels like yesterday. Time is
Speaker 3: such an interesting beast.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it is.
Speaker 2: It is so true, and especially when you've got a
Speaker 2: lot going on as well, I think, like because time accelerates, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Then especially you've got to be in now, We've got
Speaker 3: to hold this space so precious too.
Speaker 1: It's really true.
Speaker 2: And I think also when you've got children, it also
Speaker 2: is a particular living breathing clock if you like every
Speaker 2: moment you see it, even if again you don't realize
Speaker 2: it at the moment, but I'm sure you, like me,
Speaker 2: have got moments where a child will you know, get
Speaker 2: out of bed maybe at two o'clock in the afternoon
Speaker 2: and you know, have their tenth bowl of you know,
Speaker 2: weeks not sponsored by week bix, just staying in my house.
Speaker 2: I seem to be going through like for one kill
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 1: Bix at moment.
Speaker 3: But you know, that's.
Speaker 2: Also a reminder every day of how much time can
Speaker 2: pass so que not even noticing so quickly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've definitely noticed that in the last well two
Speaker 3: years for sure.
Speaker 2: And as you say, I mean, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: sixteen months ago since you and I sat down, but
Speaker 2: I did the maths. I was like, CALCULU got to
Speaker 2: sixteen I'm a journal you know, Mats is a strong
Speaker 2: point that my calculations from November twenty twenty three to
Speaker 2: you and I sitting here the first week of March
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, sixteen months, because we had a
Speaker 2: really lovely conversation. I really wanted to end our conversation
Speaker 2: today by revisiting some of that and just checking in.
Speaker 1: Now that we've established sixteen months.
Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about everything, like a lot's happened for
Speaker 2: you professionally, But of course at the time that we
Speaker 2: were talking about, you and your husband Cam had separated
Speaker 2: earlier that year, and we had a really lovely conversation
Speaker 2: which I'd love to revisit, just about how the two
Speaker 2: of you had tackle co parenting. And I don't even
Speaker 2: feel like the word co parenting does justice for it.
Speaker 2: You know, you were living in the same house for
Speaker 2: a while, and that is it's such a helpful conversation
Speaker 2: to so many of us. I'm in a similar situation.
Speaker 2: I think that amicable co parenting is something that everyone
Speaker 2: aspires to, but to actually live it and hear about
Speaker 2: it is very rare, and I just would love to
Speaker 2: start by asking you about that side of things.
Speaker 3: We're really good you know, it's not without being hard.
Speaker 3: It's of course, like I'm not sitting here going, oh,
Speaker 3: we're so great, it's amazing. We're pretty good, you know.
Speaker 3: But very early on, like we decided to stay in
Speaker 3: the house for a while, so we only left our
Speaker 3: family home last April. I mean, I'm already in a
Speaker 3: relationship with someone and he's like, you know, like and
Speaker 3: it was really hard, but we did it for the
Speaker 3: kids because it was the right thing to do for them,
Speaker 3: and you know, we were just sort of tiptoeing around
Speaker 3: when that next time would be of Okay, now they've
Speaker 3: adjusted to us not being together. They know mum's got
Speaker 3: a partner. That's the new thing. Now, they know that
Speaker 3: we're going to move out of the house, and we
Speaker 3: just took our time with that. But also we met
Speaker 3: an amazing mediator. And originally someone had recommended this incredible woman,
Speaker 3: and for us, we just wanted the kids to be okay.
Speaker 3: So we sat down with her and she had this
Speaker 3: whiteboard and she was like, tell me about your kids,
Speaker 3: and we're both sitting there going okay, And we both
Speaker 3: talked together and individually about both our kids and well,
Speaker 3: what do you want for them? Like when they in
Speaker 3: five years time, and we both said, we want them
Speaker 3: to be happy, and we want them to, you know,
Speaker 3: be full of love and kindness. Do you want them
Speaker 3: to go to you need? Do you want them to
Speaker 3: We said, we just want them to be happy, you
Speaker 3: know whatever that looks like for them, And then she said, great,
Speaker 3: well for you. For them to be that, you guys
Speaker 3: need to get on really well. And this like and
Speaker 3: it really shook both of us, I think, into going, yeah, obvious,
Speaker 3: but it's really shaped have we've parented and co parented
Speaker 3: and supported one another through this phase as well. Like
Speaker 3: Cam's in a relationship and he's really happy, and the
Speaker 3: kids seeing us happy and communicating and you know, like
Speaker 3: us doing things altogether, it's it's really good for them
Speaker 3: and we're okay. It took a while, but we're okay.
Speaker 3: And yeah, if anyone is in the same bird, I
Speaker 3: totally recommend just taking being slow if you can, not
Speaker 3: everyone can. But also it's about the kids, because if
Speaker 3: you we don't talk badly about each other in front
Speaker 3: of the kids, you know, that's not fair. If we've
Speaker 3: got something to say, we'll talk about it between the
Speaker 3: two of us. Doesn't really happen anymore. You know, we
Speaker 3: just we've really healed from that sort of space and
Speaker 3: we've moved through to a completely different one. But the
Speaker 3: kids need to know if we're okay. It's almost like
Speaker 3: they've been gliding through it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because they're seeing mum and dad be okay and being
Speaker 3: okay with each other's new partners and what that looks like.
Speaker 3: And we can all talk about each other's you know,
Speaker 3: situations and be excited. You know how people look at
Speaker 3: my new room, my enemy. Oh that's so cool. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm going with blah blah blah, And yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: really nice place to be. But it definitely took a while,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 2: I mean, and of course, as you say, it's not
Speaker 2: like it's it's easy, because if it was, then everyone
Speaker 2: would do it, and we also wouldn't be the first generation.
Speaker 1: It's navigating this terrain. You know, only really.
Speaker 2: Twenty years ago, it was still quite the norm for
Speaker 2: a lot of separations, especially when children were involved, to
Speaker 2: be very adversarial.
Speaker 1: And again, I know you and I both want to acknowledge, of.
Speaker 2: Course, there are situations where that's completely understandable, but to
Speaker 2: have that intention with the children at the middle of it.
Speaker 2: And as you talk about that, writing things on the
Speaker 2: whiteboard with that mediator, as you say, it seems simple,
Speaker 2: we want our children to be happy. But I am
Speaker 2: also speaking from my own experience here. If that then
Speaker 2: sharpens the focus and that's what's guiding you sometimes in life,
Speaker 2: what sounds simple is just about refining what's actually important here.
Speaker 3: Every step of the way, because they're gonna you know,
Speaker 3: they're going to be twenty soon and twenty one and
Speaker 3: twenty five, and they're going to have like, really you know,
Speaker 3: serious relationships and how we respect each other, Cam and
Speaker 3: I like in our past relationship what we did have
Speaker 3: together and what we have now, it's different, but that
Speaker 3: will shape their lives in a much more beautiful way
Speaker 3: and their relationships moving forward. And that's what was important
Speaker 3: to us absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean, what a lesson that you have shared with them. Thanks,
Speaker 2: thank you for I really loved speaking to you about
Speaker 2: that last time. And I yeah, I think it's so
Speaker 2: important and I love that. Whatever we're calling it now,
Speaker 2: like I say, I call it co parenting, I call.
Speaker 3: It co parenting.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, I think it's it's the more we
Speaker 2: can talk about it, the better I think.
Speaker 3: The hardest thing I think about the co parenting space
Speaker 3: for me has definitely been like we had this is
Speaker 3: the first Christmas we didn't have as a family, and
Speaker 3: even though we weren't together for a year or two
Speaker 3: before that, we still did Christmas together as that family unit,
Speaker 3: and it was time. You know, we've both got new partners,
Speaker 3: and but it was my first year without my kids,
Speaker 3: and it was the hardest Christmas I've ever experienced. And
Speaker 3: I was like a therapist is like, you know what,
Speaker 3: it's okay. You tell the kids it's the month and
Speaker 3: it's the month of Christmas, and you'll celebrate on different days.
Speaker 3: So I keep going it's the month, and then one
Speaker 3: day I'd be like, you know, hysterically crying, and then
Speaker 3: the next it'd be like it's okay, Like, well do
Speaker 3: our own day. And it was really hard. It was
Speaker 3: harder than I thought it would be.
Speaker 2: I can imagine, not to be glib about it, but
Speaker 2: I imagine that going through that the first time will
Speaker 2: be the hardest.
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, no, I'm good, Now that's next
Speaker 3: year they'll be with this year, they'll be with me.
Speaker 3: And then the following you, they probably won't care about Christmas.
Speaker 3: So I feel like I've done the hard and the
Speaker 3: blessing though again from the therapist was like, all you
Speaker 3: want is for them to be okay, because we're adults.
Speaker 3: We can handle being disappointed or upset or how hard
Speaker 3: it is. They had the best Christmas because they're with
Speaker 3: Cam's family in Melbourne for the first time in years,
Speaker 3: which they needed to do, and the fact that they're
Speaker 3: ringing mere going oh my god, that's that's what I
Speaker 3: wanted to hear. It doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 1: No, it's really hard, but.
Speaker 3: It's it couldn't have gone better for them, and again
Speaker 3: that's all that matters.
Speaker 2: You were driven by what you wanted for them, and yes,
Speaker 2: and I think also it's like those it's not growing
Speaker 2: pains isn't the right word, but every time that you're
Speaker 2: getting through something and you know you need to get
Speaker 2: to the other side of it, it can really hurt
Speaker 2: that it's a little bit.
Speaker 3: It's the first every first night is this is the hardest.
Speaker 3: And then once you've done it, you're like, okay, we
Speaker 3: did that. We're good now.
Speaker 1: So you've done that and that was a hard first way.
Speaker 1: I haven't done that first.
Speaker 2: Yet, so I really feel every word of that, and
Speaker 2: absolutely the first birthdays for coming out of that with
Speaker 2: their interests at heart, like I really do mean, yeah.
Speaker 3: I did go to bed. I was crying, Don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong. Like I had a beautiful day with my partner,
Speaker 3: but I was quiet because I'm just all like Christmas
Speaker 3: is about your family, and like without them there, it
Speaker 3: just felt different. And I went to bed just I
Speaker 3: just had to go to bed early and kind of
Speaker 3: cry and yes, go, okay, I did it. It's okay,
Speaker 3: They're okay. They have the best day and that's all
Speaker 3: that matters.
Speaker 1: YEA, good on you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had a few Christmases over the years
Speaker 2: where there's been tears.
Speaker 1: I think just because someone got into talking about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Because of Christmas. Let's be honest. He never quite works
Speaker 3: out how you think it's going to go.
Speaker 2: Always think it's all going to be, and it's like,
Speaker 2: oh now reality is intruded. So well then I wanted
Speaker 2: also in that amazing conversation that with you and me,
Speaker 2: and I'm pulling up with your quotes from last time
Speaker 2: we spoke about you and Cam and the co parenting
Speaker 2: in your two children, and then.
Speaker 1: Really took me by surprise.
Speaker 5: Because I didn't know about it to be by surprise
Speaker 5: as well in the best person the way it took
Speaker 5: me by surprise, I hope for yourself as well, where
Speaker 5: of course you then opened up and you said, I'm
Speaker 5: in a beautiful relationship with the woman who makes my
Speaker 5: heart smile and makes me really happy.
Speaker 1: You didn't identify your partner at the time, Pip. You've
Speaker 1: since yeah, shared a little bit of your relationship with
Speaker 1: Pip on your own platforms. But I really wanted to
Speaker 1: just end our.
Speaker 2: Conversation by going back to that moment, if you don't mind,
Speaker 2: it was well, obviously it was a very profound moment
Speaker 2: for you more than anyone. Only you can speak to
Speaker 2: that I know for me as I've used the word
Speaker 2: privilege I think twice in our conversation, but it was
Speaker 2: a privilege like in the most not.
Speaker 3: Really comfortable the truth. So you've always been so warm
Speaker 3: and welcoming. I think that's why people come on your show,
Speaker 3: but life felt very safe and talking to you about.
Speaker 2: It, and then the response was was really huge and
Speaker 2: at so many levels. Again, I obviously didn't see everything
Speaker 2: and you'll have your own observations, but it just felt
Speaker 2: so overwhelmingly positive. And I know even I was getting
Speaker 2: correspond so I can only imagine what you got from
Speaker 2: so many people that really felt seen from so many women,
Speaker 2: from so many people in the lgbt Q A plus community.
Speaker 1: How was that reaction for you over the months of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most part, it was quite astonishingly amazing.
Speaker 3: You know, it did take me by surprise. And I
Speaker 3: think what I've learned over this time is that I've
Speaker 3: had you know, I have so many queer friends. I've
Speaker 3: had many queer friends since I was very young.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: I think I had internalized homophobia myself, so I was
Speaker 3: terrified about what people would say and think and feel.
Speaker 3: And you know, it still pops up every now and then,
Speaker 3: but that's just ingrained in growing up in a certain
Speaker 3: time when you weren't allowed to be you know, so
Speaker 3: much support. I mean, even when I'm doing Shirley, I
Speaker 3: have women come up to be going.
Speaker 4: Oh, story is the same as yours, Thank you so much,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, okay, no worries, you know, like
Speaker 4: it's it's at the end of the day, it's just
Speaker 4: nice to be real and honest and not have fear
Speaker 4: around it. It doesn't mean I don't get scared sometimes,
Speaker 4: but that debilitating fear has gone.
Speaker 3: And it's beautiful. Like, yeah, I just I feel you know,
Speaker 3: I feel hurt, I feel safe, I feel connected. Peop
Speaker 3: is an extraordinary human, you know, and they've made me
Speaker 3: a better one and they get me more than I
Speaker 3: understand myself. I'm like, how do you stop being so
Speaker 3: right about me? I didn't you know, it's really it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been the wildest time in my life and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: How are they feeling about it? Then?
Speaker 2: Because obviously you have been in the spotlight for a
Speaker 2: very long time, and when you decided to go public
Speaker 2: about the relationship, I know that separate from anything that
Speaker 2: I was privy to that obviously you were very mindful
Speaker 2: of bringing PIP into it, knowing that the whole scrutiny
Speaker 2: and exposure that they would be opened up to. How
Speaker 2: are they doing six?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, we probably need to explain why we're
Speaker 3: saying they because they identify as non binary, so they them, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they they're not. They're a shy human, you know. And
Speaker 3: I think the thought of it all was incredibly terrifying.
Speaker 3: At the time, we had, you know, photographers trying to
Speaker 3: find out where lived and trying to get that first
Speaker 3: photograph of Verse. And they even went to another friend
Speaker 3: of mine's house and followed them for days, thinking that
Speaker 3: one of them was my partner. And it was really intrusive.
Speaker 3: You know, they would park the car out the front
Speaker 3: and they've got a little boy, and then they made
Speaker 3: this story up about that was my girlfriend and that
Speaker 3: it was. It was awful. And but do you know what,
Speaker 3: they bought us some time because Pitt was terrified, and
Speaker 3: they just said, we're happy to hold them at bay
Speaker 3: for you, like they this article wrote, but this was
Speaker 3: my partner and they didn't confirm or deny, but it
Speaker 3: just it gave us time to like go, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen soon. It's they're gonna you know. But
Speaker 3: they they even knocked on my door my house and
Speaker 3: I at the time was living on an acre and
Speaker 3: a half. So they came down the pathway and knocked
Speaker 3: on the door and said, you know, can you and
Speaker 3: I said, you're not well, came in my home. This
Speaker 3: is my home, please leave, And again I think we
Speaker 3: were talking about this, there are kids involved in this story.
Speaker 3: This is this is more important, and then anyone don't
Speaker 3: hurt my children no matter what. So look, that whole
Speaker 3: time was incredibly tough. We got through it. We're actually
Speaker 3: so fine now. It's just like, wow, how did again?
Speaker 3: It's like looking back and thinking how intense that was
Speaker 3: and scary and debilitating and all of that, and now
Speaker 3: just to feel so happy and content. And you know,
Speaker 3: there's a line in Shirley Valentine and I think of
Speaker 3: Pip every night and it says, you know, when you
Speaker 3: meet someone and they they like you, they sort of
Speaker 3: approve of you, you start to grow again, you start
Speaker 3: to move in the right ways and say the right
Speaker 3: things at the right time. And I just think of
Speaker 3: every time because that's exactly how they've made me feel.
Speaker 3: They've made me feel hurt and loved and and they're
Speaker 3: the kindest human I've ever met.
Speaker 2: So oh nah, Yeah, Well, I know I said to
Speaker 2: you at the time, I was really happy for you,
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy that that feeling that you could
Speaker 2: speak your truth as you described it at the time
Speaker 2: has brought the lightness.
Speaker 1: No joy that it should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that does cover up a lot of feelings
Speaker 3: because you're just living in this anxiety space for a
Speaker 3: very long time that you feel like there's love with
Speaker 3: this person, but you're also terrified to fully let go
Speaker 3: and be that vulnerable, you know, And now that all
Speaker 3: of that's gone, I can completely do that and be
Speaker 3: that and I am that. You know.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic and also what a great friend to allow
Speaker 2: themselves to be the decoy, if you like, just to
Speaker 2: keep the pesky perhaps at Bay.
Speaker 3: I mean they eventually, they were so hard on them
Speaker 3: that they eventually had They called me and said we
Speaker 3: can't have We're like, that's fine, just tell them to
Speaker 3: go away, and you're not the right person.
Speaker 1: It has been so wonderful to speak to you.
Speaker 2: I hopefully will speak to you again later in the year,
Speaker 2: because I believe in all your spare time, when you're
Speaker 2: not touring the country working on me, be another project,
Speaker 2: redoing Voodoo.
Speaker 1: Child, having beautiful relationship to children, kind of a busy life.
Speaker 1: You might be writing a memoir. It's just a tiny.
Speaker 3: It's the thing that's happened since meeting pip Is. I
Speaker 3: remembered how much I used to read poetry and listen
Speaker 3: to music and be that that woman with a big
Speaker 3: open heart. You know, I'd kind of shut her down
Speaker 3: for a long time. And I was asked a few
Speaker 3: years ago to write a memoir and I was like,
Speaker 3: hell no, I don't want anyone knowing my deepest, darkest secret.
Speaker 3: It's no way. And then since all of this and
Speaker 3: just rediscovering myself, not just in relationship with my girlfriend,
Speaker 3: but just myself, you know, like, who am I same
Speaker 3: as Shirley? Like who is this person? Where I used
Speaker 3: to be this person? And she's coming back to life again.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be her, you know, I want
Speaker 3: to be right here where I'm at. And I went,
Speaker 3: I think I'm ready and I've started, and I yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's been the wildest ride so far. I had
Speaker 3: to like put it aside when I got Shirley because
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't learn forty pages of dialogue and
Speaker 3: write a book at the same time and try and
Speaker 3: be a good parent and son mail a Liverpool accent.
Speaker 3: So I put it to the side for a minute.
Speaker 3: But now I know all the dialogue and I'm form
Speaker 3: the show. Yeah even yesterday, like I two days ago,
Speaker 3: I closed the show in Melbourne and the next day,
Speaker 3: I was that full inspiration and I'm writing like there's
Speaker 3: no tomorrow, and I can't wait to share it because
Speaker 3: I've had a full life. It's it's been. There's probably
Speaker 3: more in there that people have no idea about. And
Speaker 3: that's what I mean. Like life can be terrifying, life
Speaker 3: can be full of fear, life can shut you down,
Speaker 3: but it also can be beautiful and exciting. And you know,
Speaker 3: like I want to I want to write something that
Speaker 3: when I read books like the gena chic memoir is
Speaker 3: like beyond you know, like I love a biography, but
Speaker 3: like all these women like I love you know, Glenn Doyle,
Speaker 3: and I love Brennie Brown, and like all of these
Speaker 3: empowering women that have inspired me to tell my story
Speaker 3: and to tell it with vulnerability and strength. I'm ready
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: Well I'm ready for it too. I am ready to
Speaker 1: read it. So I cannot wait. Watch this space.
Speaker 2: All the best with everything that you have going on
Speaker 2: at the moment. Really lovely to have you back here
Speaker 2: in something to talk about. Studio Natt and Shirley Valentine
Speaker 2: will open at Her Majesty's Theater in Adelaide on the
Speaker 2: first of April and no, I mean huge success again.
Speaker 2: It was genuinely a triumphant season in Melbourne, so I mean,
Speaker 2: just just get it to Sydney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're trying to lock something in so
Speaker 3: watch this space.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, Matt, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Shirley Valentine will open at Her Majesty's Theater in Adelaide
Speaker 2: on first of April for eight performances only, and you
Speaker 2: can find more information in our show notes. You can
Speaker 2: also find a link in our show notes to watch
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Speaker 2: for joining me.
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