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Speaker 1: Ap Poche Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld.

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Speaker 2: I am Neil the Muscle Cumments and in this episode

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Speaker 2: I speak with Angelica Robles, FBI agents involved in taking

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Speaker 2: down the Mexican Cattail.

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Speaker 3: She was murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. The guy had an

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Speaker 3: axe in the middle of his head and he had

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Speaker 3: been dead for a while, so the blood had coagulated.

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Speaker 3: I have seen rooms filled with cocaine. I have seen

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Speaker 3: rooms filled with money, and I'm just like, that's crazy shit.

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Speaker 3: So this is a big announcement. This isn't exclusive just

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Speaker 3: for Neil.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about you and then we'll get into

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Speaker 2: the nissy crazy.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So I was born in Chicago, but I lived

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Speaker 3: in Mexico for five years. So when I was born,

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Speaker 3: my parents decided to take me back to Mexico because

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Speaker 3: they didn't want me to be Americanized. They wanted me

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Speaker 3: to grow up culturally rich with the Mexican culture. So

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Speaker 3: when I was five, we moved back to the US.

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Speaker 3: We moved to Cicero in Chicago, which is infamous for

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Speaker 3: obviously being one of the most notorious towns of Chicago.

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Speaker 3: You know, al Capone was living in Cicero, So Cicero

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Speaker 3: was predominantly It's literally like the Mexican hood in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: so predominantly Mexican immigrants, and I didn't know any English

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Speaker 3: growing up, so I had to just learn everything from scratch.

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Speaker 3: So I was bullied. I was, you know, called names.

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Speaker 3: They call me pitty long stocking. I was like, what

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Speaker 3: come home crying and I'm like, these kids are calling

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Speaker 3: is because my mom would put my hair in braids.

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Speaker 3: But that story short. I grew up in a very

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Speaker 3: violent neighborhood. There was shootings, there was killings, and I

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Speaker 3: went to one of the most i would say, probably

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Speaker 3: high school. But needless to say, I grew up with

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Speaker 3: one of the worst things that happened to me, which

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Speaker 3: led me to want to join the government and become

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Speaker 3: She was murdered, dismembered, and decapitated, and that ended up

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Speaker 3: being one of the worst crimes in Chicago history. And

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Speaker 3: she was murdered by the cartel. So at the time

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Speaker 3: I was fifteen, I was dating her brother and she

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Speaker 3: went on a first date. She didn't even know this

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Speaker 3: cartel was after him, and so because they took him out,

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Speaker 2: And the way that how did you but how did

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Speaker 2: you feel when she went missing?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: How many days was it? Did you find out? Straight away?

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Speaker 1: We found out that she was.

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Speaker 3: Lessing right away because she never came home after the

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Speaker 3: all over Chicago, which is very it's very common cartel

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Speaker 3: with a heart with his name on it, his mom's

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Speaker 3: We were mentally distraught, and obviously I was fifteen at

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Speaker 3: why people do this to other people, What in their

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Speaker 3: insane fucking mind makes people do this. And as the

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Speaker 3: them upside down drained their blood. I mean, it was

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Speaker 4: Fuck.

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Speaker 3: It's insane. It's an insane crime. It's it's all online.

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Speaker 3: It's did you did you know what that? Did you?

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Speaker 1: Did she know at the time that he had something

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Speaker 3: No? Keep in mind, this was two thousand and this

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Speaker 3: no iPhones. Okay, there was no People weren't doing background checks.

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Speaker 3: And also we had like what pagers back then, so

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Speaker 3: like that. But she didn't know him. This was a

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Speaker 1: Lay yell. Wow, that's insane.

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Speaker 3: It really is. And if you look at the transcripts,

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Speaker 3: it's very unsettling. I actually read through the transcripts probably

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Speaker 3: three years ago. This crime has been out for so long,

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Speaker 3: but I could not read the full transcripts until I

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Speaker 3: published my book, which was in twenty twenty one. I

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Speaker 3: like their brains were still functioning with a knife behind

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Speaker 2: Why did you, Like, I get that they wanted him

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Speaker 1: She was with him, But why couldn't they just let

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Speaker 3: So cartel activity has no remorse. We know that cartel

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Speaker 3: they have no mercy, and it's all for the same cause,

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Speaker 3: right for not to be found. We don't want to

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Speaker 3: the thing is, it's like when you do that and

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Speaker 3: cut up bodies like that. You know, I'm in forensics,

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Speaker 3: So when you do that and you cut up bodies

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Speaker 3: and it's a lot. But the way that it all

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, wow, how did how did that mentally affect you?

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Speaker 1: Your best friend?

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Speaker 3: I went into a deep depression. I was fifteen years

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Speaker 3: I had to go to like ment, I had to

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Speaker 2: Going back to like before all that happened, and you

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Speaker 1: Like is like shootings they actually winness shootings or you.

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Speaker 3: Just so, I mean they were being class and there

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Speaker 3: But the problem was that there were so much gang

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Speaker 3: obviously Chicago is infamous for gangs like other big cities,

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Speaker 3: but the Mexican or Hispanic gangs were huge in Cicero.

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Speaker 3: They still are. And yeah, and you know, they would

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Speaker 3: usually what the cause of the violence was, is gang activity.

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Speaker 2: What would have happened if your friend was a relative

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Speaker 3: Oh God, there would be a lot of other heads

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Speaker 2: So while you're in school and you're leaving school, you'd

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Speaker 2: already picked what kind of a job you wanted to

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I picked.

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Speaker 3: My job based on my pain. And I share this

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Speaker 3: or join FBID, you know, CIA, they do it because

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Speaker 3: of some type of trauma. We didn't just watch a

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Speaker 3: deeper connection to the job, because this is a type

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Speaker 3: very dangerous. And I don't think people, you know, the

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Speaker 3: media and the movies make it seem like it's very loudest.

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Speaker 2: It's no, we are not let me tell you, we

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Speaker 2: are not riding around in lambos and going.

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Speaker 3: To lavish parties like Double seven. Not at all. We

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Speaker 3: was just flying out the side. No, it was never

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Speaker 3: like that. I had guns to my head, I had

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Speaker 1: No, so what what did you actually join the department?

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Speaker 3: So I graduated college in four, I went in in

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Speaker 3: O six, So I started doing cover work in six.

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Speaker 3: I did undercover work from six to eight, and then

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Speaker 3: in eight I was transferred to Houston to start doing

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Speaker 3: more of the interrogations. So I have to say this

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Speaker 3: Well instead of doing that, I was like, look, you

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Speaker 3: So my cover was blown because I was following them

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Speaker 2: I just want to know about your first assignments and

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Speaker 2: When was the first time you actually got like, was

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Speaker 3: No, But I think I think because my pain was

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Speaker 3: But my career was chosen out of pain.

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Speaker 2: But there must have been a time, like you've said that,

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Speaker 3: Oh God. The government, I mean the government did not

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Speaker 3: When I moved to Houston, one of the task force

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Speaker 3: their heads were put on stakes in the border. These

434
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,721
Speaker 3: were agents. You can look it up. There's a lot

435
00:24:19,761 --> 00:24:23,001
Speaker 3: of the stories like that. And I remember when that happened,

436
00:24:23,481 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: I said, I have to leave. Thank God that I

437
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,961
Speaker 3: wasn't there because my head would have been on a

438
00:24:28,001 --> 00:24:28,521
Speaker 3: stick too.

439
00:24:29,521 --> 00:24:34,401
Speaker 2: So that's my last question. Did you have you ever

440
00:24:34,481 --> 00:24:35,041
Speaker 2: thought about?

441
00:24:35,281 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: Is this for you? So that was one.

442
00:24:37,041 --> 00:24:39,561
Speaker 3: That was one, and that was probably the only one,

443
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,481
Speaker 3: and that was probably the biggest one. So in twenty thirteen,

444
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,201
Speaker 3: I finally did leave and I became a contractor. So

445
00:24:48,281 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: from twenty to thirteen to now, I've been doing contract work.

446
00:24:51,761 --> 00:24:54,881
Speaker 3: So I still work for the government as a contractor,

447
00:24:55,481 --> 00:24:58,721
Speaker 3: but I do specialty cases. So they'll call me to

448
00:24:58,721 --> 00:25:02,321
Speaker 3: interrogate a specific case. And I have three different contracts

449
00:25:02,321 --> 00:25:07,881
Speaker 3: with three different agencies, so I still have So yeah, you.

450
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,001
Speaker 2: Know, you know, you know when something like that happens,

451
00:25:10,041 --> 00:25:14,681
Speaker 2: and you know them them agents all got killed. How

452
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:17,561
Speaker 2: what's the feeling like in the department? Whence they you

453
00:25:17,721 --> 00:25:20,721
Speaker 2: lose six guys or females like that?

454
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:25,081
Speaker 1: The way they did? Is it hushed or is it?

455
00:25:25,761 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 3: How is?

456
00:25:26,521 --> 00:25:27,481
Speaker 1: How's it all happened?

457
00:25:29,321 --> 00:25:32,801
Speaker 3: So when so when we kill people or when we

458
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: shoot people, we have to go to mandatory therapy the

459
00:25:36,961 --> 00:25:40,001
Speaker 3: same post. If we lose somebody that was part of

460
00:25:40,041 --> 00:25:44,281
Speaker 3: our team, we also go to therapy. But what a

461
00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:46,001
Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize is this is what we

462
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: sign up for when you sign your life away and

463
00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: you take your oath to the government. It's it's in

464
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: the paperwork. It's in the paperwork saying there's a possibility

465
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,041
Speaker 3: you may die, there's a possibility that you know, you

466
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,321
Speaker 3: may lose some limbs, there is a possibility that you'll

467
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:04,241
Speaker 3: be traumatized. It's all in there. So unfortunately, we're signing,

468
00:26:04,281 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 3: we're signing our lives way to these things happening. So

469
00:26:09,281 --> 00:26:13,001
Speaker 3: you already go into this type of work knowing that

470
00:26:13,041 --> 00:26:16,361
Speaker 3: things like this will happen there's and they do. They

471
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: happen all the time. Sometimes the media doesn't doesn't report

472
00:26:19,481 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: it right because it's all internal stuff. There's a lot

473
00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: of stuff going on that that the public media just

474
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: doesn't know about. And it's a lot of people getting

475
00:26:28,481 --> 00:26:32,561
Speaker 3: killed or murdered. So yeah, especially on the cover agents,

476
00:26:32,561 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: for sure, But is.

477
00:26:34,241 --> 00:26:37,041
Speaker 2: It is it because it's every day life for you guys,

478
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,281
Speaker 2: and and it's that it's that bad over there that

479
00:26:40,721 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: if something like that happens, do you actually show like

480
00:26:45,001 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: that you're you're upset and you're grieving or do you

481
00:26:48,001 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: just have to blanket out and put this hard image on.

482
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,721
Speaker 3: At first we do, but then you you know, after

483
00:26:53,721 --> 00:26:56,081
Speaker 3: a while, you go nun you know. I always talk

484
00:26:56,241 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: talk about this. It's like when I first when I

485
00:26:58,961 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: first interrogated my first murderer, I remember getting so upset,

486
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,561
Speaker 3: like I wanted to kill him, like how he was

487
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: telling me what he was doing to children. I wanted

488
00:27:06,961 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: to kill him, like I literally was like, let me

489
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: kill you with my bare hands. But you learn to

490
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,721
Speaker 3: compartmentalize your emotions and you learn you just go numb

491
00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:20,001
Speaker 3: because you hear so much shit, and you see so

492
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,521
Speaker 3: much shit you literally just go numb. So you get

493
00:27:23,561 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: to a point where I remember when I saw my

494
00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: first dismembered body, I had to run out because of

495
00:27:30,201 --> 00:27:33,281
Speaker 3: the stench, and I threw up. And then one of

496
00:27:33,281 --> 00:27:36,201
Speaker 3: the senior agents was like, don't worry. You'll be able

497
00:27:36,201 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: to eat your lunch on top of a writing body.

498
00:27:38,561 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 3: You'll be good, That's what they said. And I was

499
00:27:41,281 --> 00:27:43,721
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, this is crazy and I

500
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,281
Speaker 3: will never forget this. The guy had an axe in

501
00:27:47,321 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: the middle of his head like the movies, and he

502
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: had been dead for a while, so the blood had

503
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: what's called coagulated. It had like become like jelly, and

504
00:27:58,521 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: it smelled so bad, and the guy was just like, Eh,

505
00:28:01,961 --> 00:28:05,521
Speaker 3: she'll get over it, and eventually I did. But that's

506
00:28:06,001 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: the process that you go through, is that you go

507
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,321
Speaker 3: through this mental fuck of like, oh my god, what

508
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,481
Speaker 3: did I sign up for? But then after a while

509
00:28:13,521 --> 00:28:17,721
Speaker 3: you're just like okay. But keep in mind, I grew

510
00:28:17,801 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: up in I grew up in a neighborhood where people

511
00:28:20,721 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: were getting murdered, people were getting killed. My own friend

512
00:28:23,521 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: was murdered and decapitated, so I already was kind of

513
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: desynthesized from this because I came from that neighborhood. But

514
00:28:30,561 --> 00:28:33,281
Speaker 3: somebody who has never seen this type of crime or

515
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 3: violence is it's more difficult to digest. So same, you know,

516
00:28:37,721 --> 00:28:39,761
Speaker 3: same thing with the border. I get sent to the

517
00:28:39,761 --> 00:28:42,961
Speaker 3: border to work Department of Homeland Security all the time.

518
00:28:43,441 --> 00:28:47,921
Speaker 3: There's some agents that have never seen the crime or

519
00:28:48,041 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: just the gruesome deaths and murders that are going on

520
00:28:51,241 --> 00:28:55,081
Speaker 3: from cartel warfare. I mean, they would be traumatized for life.

521
00:28:55,801 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: So it also depends what you're doing. Right, It's almost

522
00:28:59,441 --> 00:29:02,121
Speaker 3: like joining the military. You have the infantry that actually

523
00:29:02,161 --> 00:29:04,481
Speaker 3: goes and kills people, and then you have the people

524
00:29:04,481 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: that are it and just stay behind the computers. So

525
00:29:07,521 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: it also depends on what you're doing. You know, the

526
00:29:10,561 --> 00:29:13,001
Speaker 3: accountant agents are not going to be going to the

527
00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:15,601
Speaker 3: border to interrogate cartel members.

528
00:29:16,001 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: What are your neighbors reckon the like you did? Did

529
00:29:18,481 --> 00:29:19,481
Speaker 1: they know about what you did?

530
00:29:20,001 --> 00:29:24,081
Speaker 3: No? In fact, I actually have this funny story that

531
00:29:24,201 --> 00:29:26,281
Speaker 3: it never made the news. But you know, I'm sure

532
00:29:26,281 --> 00:29:30,561
Speaker 3: my ex husband is gonna listen to this, But we

533
00:29:30,561 --> 00:29:34,161
Speaker 3: were living in a neighborhood, in a rich neighborhood here

534
00:29:34,161 --> 00:29:37,801
Speaker 3: in Houston before we divorced, and I never told my

535
00:29:37,841 --> 00:29:40,001
Speaker 3: neighbors what I did. They thought I was a stay

536
00:29:40,041 --> 00:29:42,161
Speaker 3: home mom, so I played the stay home mom card.

537
00:29:43,201 --> 00:29:46,561
Speaker 3: So we lived in this cul de sac and there

538
00:29:46,601 --> 00:29:48,841
Speaker 3: was these kids. They were kids, they were high school

539
00:29:48,921 --> 00:29:52,841
Speaker 3: kids that decided to rob all the cars in our neighborhood.

540
00:29:53,921 --> 00:29:57,881
Speaker 3: And I had a dog that was trained to kill,

541
00:29:58,041 --> 00:30:01,681
Speaker 3: and I also we had crazy surveillance system in the house.

542
00:30:02,481 --> 00:30:05,841
Speaker 3: So my cameras and my dog picked up that these

543
00:30:05,961 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: kids were. My husband at the time had left his

544
00:30:09,521 --> 00:30:12,241
Speaker 3: truck outside his suv and they were trying to break

545
00:30:12,241 --> 00:30:16,081
Speaker 3: into the suv. So my dog starts barking. My ex

546
00:30:16,201 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: he can sleep through the apocalypse. He doesn't even know

547
00:30:19,241 --> 00:30:22,321
Speaker 3: what's going on. I'm watching the cameras. I literally ran

548
00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:24,721
Speaker 3: out the front door and I got two of them,

549
00:30:24,801 --> 00:30:28,081
Speaker 3: and I had them both under me, cuffed one and

550
00:30:28,241 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: was on top of the other one. I hit the

551
00:30:31,521 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: button on our surveillance system, so the cops came in

552
00:30:35,241 --> 00:30:38,161
Speaker 3: like a second. They were like, who the fuck are you?

553
00:30:39,001 --> 00:30:42,441
Speaker 3: And I showed them my badge because I had both

554
00:30:42,481 --> 00:30:44,681
Speaker 3: of them. One of them got away, because you know,

555
00:30:44,921 --> 00:30:47,321
Speaker 3: it's only one of me, but one of them got away,

556
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:50,361
Speaker 3: and I remember saying this, I'm like, you guys are amateurs.

557
00:30:50,441 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: You never come to a rich neighborhood to rob wearing sandals.

558
00:30:54,481 --> 00:30:58,041
Speaker 3: What are you doing wearing sandals? Guys are stupid? And

559
00:30:58,121 --> 00:31:01,841
Speaker 3: here I am like in my nightgown. Literally I had

560
00:31:01,881 --> 00:31:04,561
Speaker 3: one hand on the kid's throat and I'm straddling the

561
00:31:04,561 --> 00:31:06,641
Speaker 3: other kid and they were terrified. They were like, please

562
00:31:06,641 --> 00:31:09,641
Speaker 3: don't kill its. The cops came. They were like, who

563
00:31:09,641 --> 00:31:11,521
Speaker 3: the fuck are you? And I was like, I should

564
00:31:12,321 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: show them my badge. They're like, do you want to

565
00:31:14,241 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: be on the news And I was like, no, you

566
00:31:15,761 --> 00:31:20,041
Speaker 3: guys can say that you caught them, so okay. But

567
00:31:20,721 --> 00:31:25,081
Speaker 3: then my neighbors were like, holy shit, we lived with

568
00:31:25,201 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: a fucking like undercover agent.

569
00:31:28,441 --> 00:31:30,681
Speaker 1: What was it was? Was any of your agents saw

570
00:31:30,721 --> 00:31:32,561
Speaker 1: anyone you worked with? Ever bolt?

571
00:31:32,761 --> 00:31:35,001
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, that happens all the time, like when they

572
00:31:35,001 --> 00:31:38,361
Speaker 3: switch sides, for sure, that happens all the time. I mean,

573
00:31:38,361 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: the corruption is insane. I talk about this in the

574
00:31:41,481 --> 00:31:46,681
Speaker 3: book is Everybody has a price. You know, when we're

575
00:31:47,401 --> 00:31:53,041
Speaker 3: moving one hundred and sixty eight billion dollars of cocaine

576
00:31:53,081 --> 00:31:57,801
Speaker 3: across borders, somebody is somebody is letting somebody open the

577
00:31:57,841 --> 00:32:00,281
Speaker 3: door for them, you know what I mean, Like people

578
00:32:00,321 --> 00:32:05,321
Speaker 3: have prices and unfortunately the military is involved. Also, you know,

579
00:32:05,521 --> 00:32:11,281
Speaker 3: there's submarines out there moving drugs in the ocean. Everybody

580
00:32:11,321 --> 00:32:16,601
Speaker 3: is involved, and everybody has a price tag and money talks, unfortunately.

581
00:32:17,121 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: But also there's a bigger there's a bigger problem. Who

582
00:32:20,801 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: do you think is giving or arming the cartel? The

583
00:32:24,881 --> 00:32:30,121
Speaker 3: US is because there's trucks of guns crossing the border

584
00:32:30,161 --> 00:32:34,041
Speaker 3: and nobody is saying anything. It's literally just okay, you

585
00:32:34,041 --> 00:32:35,681
Speaker 3: guys can pass what.

586
00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:38,401
Speaker 2: There is a question. And this always gets me because

587
00:32:38,521 --> 00:32:42,641
Speaker 2: I always think, you know, when when they when you

588
00:32:42,681 --> 00:32:45,361
Speaker 2: come across and you do a drug bust and you

589
00:32:45,441 --> 00:32:48,721
Speaker 2: find a lot of drugs and then the agents come

590
00:32:48,721 --> 00:32:50,681
Speaker 2: in first with the koppers and they got and they've

591
00:32:50,681 --> 00:32:52,521
Speaker 2: got it like kilos and kilos there.

592
00:32:53,161 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: Surely surely someone takes them for sure.

593
00:32:59,561 --> 00:33:04,721
Speaker 3: Yes, I have seen I have seen rooms filled with cocaine.

594
00:33:04,801 --> 00:33:08,041
Speaker 3: I I've seen rooms filled with money, you know, like

595
00:33:08,081 --> 00:33:10,921
Speaker 3: the cartoons where you're like looking around and there's like

596
00:33:11,001 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: little there's money everywhere. I've seen all that. And the

597
00:33:14,281 --> 00:33:18,521
Speaker 3: government does use the funds to buy things for the government.

598
00:33:18,601 --> 00:33:21,161
Speaker 3: But come on, like you're gonna say, yeah, all of

599
00:33:21,241 --> 00:33:24,281
Speaker 3: that happens where they take some they take money. Of course,

600
00:33:24,441 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: all of that happens, especially if it's done under the

601
00:33:27,001 --> 00:33:30,561
Speaker 3: table and it's not accounted for. If you're the person

602
00:33:30,601 --> 00:33:34,321
Speaker 3: that's like, oh it's ten kilos but it's really twenty,

603
00:33:34,641 --> 00:33:37,161
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, all that happens all the time.

604
00:33:37,281 --> 00:33:41,321
Speaker 1: So for sure, Wow, that's insane.

605
00:33:42,361 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: Like I've always thought that, I always wanted to know, like,

606
00:33:44,481 --> 00:33:47,201
Speaker 2: surely someone takes all No one's gonna notice if one

607
00:33:47,241 --> 00:33:49,081
Speaker 2: hundred king.

608
00:33:49,241 --> 00:33:51,161
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them are even doing the drugs.

609
00:33:53,081 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: Fuck can now which one is the hardest to interrogate?

610
00:33:56,441 --> 00:33:59,481
Speaker 2: Is it murderers, drug dealers or terrorists?

611
00:33:59,881 --> 00:34:04,081
Speaker 3: I would say terrorists, because terrorists have a different reason

612
00:34:04,121 --> 00:34:07,161
Speaker 3: why they're doing what they're doing. And I'm gonna say

613
00:34:07,161 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: from the ones I've interrogated, the terrorists that I've interrogated

614
00:34:10,721 --> 00:34:13,761
Speaker 3: are doing it for a bigger cause they believe. And

615
00:34:13,801 --> 00:34:17,761
Speaker 3: I remember I wrote this in the book suicide comes

616
00:34:17,761 --> 00:34:23,201
Speaker 3: with pain, but terrorism comes with honor. One of the

617
00:34:23,241 --> 00:34:25,921
Speaker 3: guys told me that when I interrogated them, they said,

618
00:34:26,081 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: when we do the suicide bombings, we are honored. When

619
00:34:31,561 --> 00:34:38,041
Speaker 3: people commit suicide, it's out of pain and sorrow and

620
00:34:38,081 --> 00:34:42,201
Speaker 3: anger of the mind. So it's almost like the self

621
00:34:42,281 --> 00:34:47,321
Speaker 3: inflicted suicide is a mission towards their higher power. Does

622
00:34:47,361 --> 00:34:50,721
Speaker 3: that make sense? And I remember sitting there like, Wow,

623
00:34:50,841 --> 00:34:56,881
Speaker 3: that's deep shit, because for them to murder an entire

624
00:34:57,041 --> 00:35:01,961
Speaker 3: race and commit suicide, it's looked at as honor, like

625
00:35:02,041 --> 00:35:05,161
Speaker 3: look at him, he gave up his life for the

626
00:35:05,241 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: higher power. And I'm just like, that's crazy shit.

627
00:35:09,361 --> 00:35:13,081
Speaker 2: Wyew Have you have you ever had to like being

628
00:35:13,201 --> 00:35:16,001
Speaker 2: assigned to go and get a terrorist and stop him

629
00:35:16,001 --> 00:35:17,881
Speaker 2: from blowing up? Or is it too late? Or if

630
00:35:17,921 --> 00:35:21,241
Speaker 2: you just done a raid on someone who you knew

631
00:35:21,361 --> 00:35:22,401
Speaker 2: was a terrorist?

632
00:35:22,601 --> 00:35:25,241
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was. I was involved when when

633
00:35:25,481 --> 00:35:28,281
Speaker 3: we knew that certain things were going to happen, but

634
00:35:28,521 --> 00:35:31,001
Speaker 3: I only got them when they were already caught. All

635
00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:33,561
Speaker 3: of my guys were already caught, all of my guys

636
00:35:33,601 --> 00:35:36,361
Speaker 3: were ready to talk, all of my guys were already

637
00:35:36,721 --> 00:35:39,361
Speaker 3: ready to make deals. And that's another thing that a

638
00:35:39,361 --> 00:35:42,561
Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize. And again, we can have

639
00:35:42,681 --> 00:35:46,041
Speaker 3: first hand knowledge of this, of how drug dealers or

640
00:35:46,121 --> 00:35:48,961
Speaker 3: terrorists work for the government and they cut deals, you know,

641
00:35:49,361 --> 00:35:51,001
Speaker 3: with our announcement.

642
00:35:51,241 --> 00:35:54,881
Speaker 2: So yeah, so what about what about sex trafficking, because

643
00:35:54,881 --> 00:35:55,721
Speaker 2: that's a big thing over there.

644
00:35:55,801 --> 00:35:58,921
Speaker 3: Yes, sex trafficking. And look, I got dragged for it

645
00:35:58,961 --> 00:36:01,921
Speaker 3: on James English and I know James is gonna watch

646
00:36:02,001 --> 00:36:06,681
Speaker 3: our podcast, but I ended up being James's second most

647
00:36:06,721 --> 00:36:09,721
Speaker 3: watched video. For some reason, people don't like to know

648
00:36:09,761 --> 00:36:12,601
Speaker 3: the truth. And you know, everybody was fact checking me. Okay,

649
00:36:12,641 --> 00:36:15,281
Speaker 3: Houston was number one. Now I think we're number two. Okay,

650
00:36:15,321 --> 00:36:18,161
Speaker 3: we're still up there. We're right next to the border.

651
00:36:18,361 --> 00:36:21,281
Speaker 3: So human trafficking is huge down here. And then of

652
00:36:21,321 --> 00:36:23,761
Speaker 3: course I got dragged because I was like, it's all children.

653
00:36:23,961 --> 00:36:27,881
Speaker 3: Nobody cares if you're everybody's getting traffic. It's mostly the

654
00:36:28,001 --> 00:36:30,241
Speaker 3: kids that are getting traffic, and I think it's about

655
00:36:30,241 --> 00:36:33,841
Speaker 3: thirty percent. But if you're an adult and you're being traffic,

656
00:36:34,361 --> 00:36:38,361
Speaker 3: yes it's bad, but you have control of your you

657
00:36:38,441 --> 00:36:41,201
Speaker 3: have control of your decisions, whereas a child does not

658
00:36:41,321 --> 00:36:44,081
Speaker 3: have control and they end up in this life. But

659
00:36:44,201 --> 00:36:48,401
Speaker 3: human trafficking is huge in Houston. It's literally probably one

660
00:36:48,401 --> 00:36:53,641
Speaker 3: of the biggest money making things that's going on. And

661
00:36:53,681 --> 00:36:58,241
Speaker 3: I have a friend who did the documentary David Hutchinson

662
00:36:58,281 --> 00:37:01,201
Speaker 3: made the documentary on the human trafficking, and he said

663
00:37:01,241 --> 00:37:06,081
Speaker 3: something that just literally made my skin in craw was

664
00:37:07,001 --> 00:37:11,361
Speaker 3: drugs can be sold ones, children can be sold more

665
00:37:11,401 --> 00:37:16,041
Speaker 3: than once. So you can just imagine human trafficking is

666
00:37:16,161 --> 00:37:19,801
Speaker 3: as big as drug trafficking because drugs are sold ones,

667
00:37:20,041 --> 00:37:24,401
Speaker 3: children can be sold multiple times. And it's crazy because

668
00:37:24,681 --> 00:37:27,561
Speaker 3: you know, we know it's happening, and Houston is a

669
00:37:27,641 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: huge hub for it, and you'd be surprised people think

670
00:37:31,481 --> 00:37:33,841
Speaker 3: that a lot of the human the child trafficking that's

671
00:37:33,841 --> 00:37:36,281
Speaker 3: going on, it's immigrant children, but it's not. It's also

672
00:37:36,321 --> 00:37:39,161
Speaker 3: American children that get caught up in the life and

673
00:37:39,201 --> 00:37:43,441
Speaker 3: get caught up in the business. So it's horrible.

674
00:37:44,441 --> 00:37:47,441
Speaker 2: They where did they whether they pray on the on

675
00:37:47,481 --> 00:37:47,921
Speaker 2: the kids.

676
00:37:48,121 --> 00:37:49,361
Speaker 1: Is it mostly schools or.

677
00:37:50,881 --> 00:37:53,801
Speaker 3: Online? A lot of the kids that are American and

678
00:37:53,921 --> 00:37:57,481
Speaker 3: are in human trafficking are kids that are being bullied,

679
00:37:57,561 --> 00:38:00,361
Speaker 3: are kids that need to feel wanted or need to

680
00:38:00,441 --> 00:38:03,001
Speaker 3: feel that they're a part of something. A lot of

681
00:38:03,121 --> 00:38:05,481
Speaker 3: times they you know, they meet people on chat rooms,

682
00:38:05,721 --> 00:38:08,241
Speaker 3: a lot of people. A lot of times these kids,

683
00:38:08,881 --> 00:38:12,681
Speaker 3: you know, join these like little parlors, massage parlors and

684
00:38:12,721 --> 00:38:16,081
Speaker 3: stuff and get into that life. Especially the young girls.

685
00:38:16,481 --> 00:38:20,241
Speaker 3: You know, they they get sold this dream of making

686
00:38:20,481 --> 00:38:24,641
Speaker 3: unlimited money for sex and they're all under age. And

687
00:38:24,681 --> 00:38:27,281
Speaker 3: then obviously the ones that are coming from different countries

688
00:38:27,481 --> 00:38:29,921
Speaker 3: are being sold by their families. They're like, here, you

689
00:38:29,961 --> 00:38:33,161
Speaker 3: can have them, go ahead. Because of the financial situation

690
00:38:33,401 --> 00:38:37,721
Speaker 3: is they're selling kids to trafficking. So here's what I

691
00:38:37,761 --> 00:38:42,241
Speaker 3: always say, if there's a need for drugs and sex,

692
00:38:42,761 --> 00:38:45,881
Speaker 3: it's never going to stop. It's never going to stop.

693
00:38:47,121 --> 00:38:49,841
Speaker 3: This is and I hate to say this, but this

694
00:38:49,961 --> 00:38:53,961
Speaker 3: type of business is stimulating the US economy because of

695
00:38:54,041 --> 00:38:58,601
Speaker 3: how much money is generating. You know, my friend, he

696
00:38:58,801 --> 00:39:05,481
Speaker 3: said his exact quotes or his exact what is it

697
00:39:05,561 --> 00:39:09,601
Speaker 3: like money that he made was one hundred and sixty

698
00:39:09,641 --> 00:39:14,401
Speaker 3: eight billion dollars of cocaine that he was moving from

699
00:39:14,601 --> 00:39:19,321
Speaker 3: the US to South America. One hundred and sixty eight

700
00:39:19,441 --> 00:39:25,961
Speaker 3: a billion. So imagine if cocaine can be sold once,

701
00:39:26,801 --> 00:39:29,281
Speaker 3: and children can be sold more than once, you do

702
00:39:29,321 --> 00:39:29,721
Speaker 3: the math.

703
00:39:30,041 --> 00:39:31,681
Speaker 1: What about organs?

704
00:39:32,001 --> 00:39:35,921
Speaker 3: So organs? So organ trafficking is also something that's big.

705
00:39:36,161 --> 00:39:38,441
Speaker 3: It's not as big as drugs and human trafficking, but

706
00:39:38,721 --> 00:39:40,641
Speaker 3: there is a big market for it. There is there

707
00:39:40,681 --> 00:39:43,441
Speaker 3: is black market out there for it, and a lot

708
00:39:43,521 --> 00:39:47,321
Speaker 3: of people do end up asleep without organs, right, there's

709
00:39:47,401 --> 00:39:50,161
Speaker 3: kidnappings and all that, but there is a huge market

710
00:39:50,161 --> 00:39:53,601
Speaker 3: for organ trafficking and we're talking between like five thousand

711
00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:55,881
Speaker 3: to ten thousand dollars. Sometimes you can get an organ

712
00:39:55,921 --> 00:40:00,121
Speaker 3: for more. But it's funny because I never really worked

713
00:40:00,121 --> 00:40:05,161
Speaker 3: at that side of interrogations investigations. But there's a lot

714
00:40:05,321 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: organs that you can live without, Like I think there's

715
00:40:08,041 --> 00:40:11,161
Speaker 3: like a list of eight organs that the human body

716
00:40:11,201 --> 00:40:17,001
Speaker 3: can actually live without. And there's people that will willfully

717
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:19,721
Speaker 3: give organs away in the black market because they need

718
00:40:19,761 --> 00:40:22,921
Speaker 3: the money, right, But there is a market for it,

719
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:25,561
Speaker 3: especially now you know cancer is so prevalent, so like

720
00:40:25,681 --> 00:40:29,081
Speaker 3: kidneys lungs, like you can live with one lung, you

721
00:40:29,121 --> 00:40:31,481
Speaker 3: can live with one kidney. I think there was like

722
00:40:31,561 --> 00:40:34,921
Speaker 3: part of your pancreas that you can get removed and

723
00:40:34,961 --> 00:40:40,361
Speaker 3: be like here, have it, pay me off. So that's

724
00:40:40,401 --> 00:40:43,361
Speaker 3: not as that's not as talked for. It's not as

725
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,081
Speaker 3: tough much about I think there was one movie that

726
00:40:46,201 --> 00:40:50,481
Speaker 3: was made. I can't remember what the movie or the name,

727
00:40:50,521 --> 00:40:54,641
Speaker 3: but the guy was English that did it, and you

728
00:40:54,681 --> 00:40:58,401
Speaker 3: know it's out there for sure. There's a black market.

729
00:40:58,521 --> 00:41:00,681
Speaker 3: You know, for those that don't know about the dark web,

730
00:41:00,921 --> 00:41:03,721
Speaker 3: you can go to the dark Web and you buy anything,

731
00:41:04,321 --> 00:41:05,041
Speaker 3: including or.

732
00:41:06,161 --> 00:41:08,041
Speaker 2: But are so scary that to the fact that you

733
00:41:08,161 --> 00:41:11,921
Speaker 2: tell me that all this just passes through the border

734
00:41:12,841 --> 00:41:16,681
Speaker 2: and everyone just goes, yeah, go buy, go buy, It's like,

735
00:41:17,081 --> 00:41:19,521
Speaker 2: I just yeah, that's so fucked up.

736
00:41:19,601 --> 00:41:23,081
Speaker 3: Yeah, And unfortunately, the war against drugs is never going

737
00:41:23,161 --> 00:41:26,561
Speaker 3: to end because the need for drugs is never going

738
00:41:26,641 --> 00:41:29,321
Speaker 3: to end, just the way it's just the same thing

739
00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:32,481
Speaker 3: with the need for sex and vices and addictions. As

740
00:41:32,561 --> 00:41:36,281
Speaker 3: long as there's addiction around, there's always going to be

741
00:41:36,281 --> 00:41:40,441
Speaker 3: a need for it. So especially cocaine. You know, cocaine

742
00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:47,081
Speaker 3: is a highly effective, highly addictive, highly expensive drug to get,

743
00:41:47,201 --> 00:41:50,361
Speaker 3: so it's a high commodity. You know. Now we're been

744
00:41:50,441 --> 00:41:55,041
Speaker 3: dealing with fentanyl and all those pills that are being

745
00:41:55,081 --> 00:41:57,881
Speaker 3: made in Chinese battoes with god knows what's in them.

746
00:41:58,321 --> 00:42:00,641
Speaker 3: But if there is a need for them and there's

747
00:42:00,961 --> 00:42:05,321
Speaker 3: people buying and spending money, it's going to continue to happen.

748
00:42:05,361 --> 00:42:08,161
Speaker 3: There's two different sides of the DA There's obviously the

749
00:42:09,041 --> 00:42:13,801
Speaker 3: cocaine and then there's another side that works with pharmaceutical drugs.

750
00:42:13,961 --> 00:42:16,441
Speaker 3: So it's two different it's two different units.

751
00:42:16,521 --> 00:42:19,161
Speaker 1: Okay, what's what's what's the biggest drug moving over there

752
00:42:19,201 --> 00:42:21,441
Speaker 1: at the moment. Is it still cocaine? Yeah?

753
00:42:21,481 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: Oh god, Yeah, the drug market has not stopped. In fact,

754
00:42:25,761 --> 00:42:28,961
Speaker 3: COVID made it even worse because people people were at

755
00:42:29,041 --> 00:42:33,721
Speaker 3: home literally, you know, without without anything to do. So

756
00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:37,241
Speaker 3: like addiction went up higher. Sex addictions went up higher

757
00:42:37,481 --> 00:42:39,841
Speaker 3: because now you were stuck at home thinking with your

758
00:42:40,001 --> 00:42:41,961
Speaker 3: mind and you had all this time to do it.

759
00:42:42,321 --> 00:42:45,641
Speaker 3: Just the drug business just boomed during COVID, and then

760
00:42:45,641 --> 00:42:48,881
Speaker 3: everybody was at home, so it's like there's no one around.

761
00:42:49,281 --> 00:42:51,161
Speaker 3: And here's the one thing that I do want to

762
00:42:51,201 --> 00:42:56,081
Speaker 3: mention about cartel activity that I always laugh about. If

763
00:42:56,081 --> 00:42:58,481
Speaker 3: there is going to be a movement of drugs happening,

764
00:42:59,561 --> 00:43:03,321
Speaker 3: don't you think that the cartel is going to hire

765
00:43:03,441 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: construction workers to cause a diversion or to cause an

766
00:43:08,521 --> 00:43:12,201
Speaker 3: accident so that the cops go that way, so that

767
00:43:12,241 --> 00:43:16,041
Speaker 3: we can move the drugs this way. Like it's you

768
00:43:16,121 --> 00:43:19,201
Speaker 3: see the shitting cartoons, you know, you distract the bunny

769
00:43:19,321 --> 00:43:24,161
Speaker 3: so that the turtle wins the race. You know, So

770
00:43:24,241 --> 00:43:28,121
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't realize that organized crime is

771
00:43:28,201 --> 00:43:34,161
Speaker 3: literally a synchronized activity. It's like everybody has their job,

772
00:43:34,321 --> 00:43:37,761
Speaker 3: everybody knows what they're doing, everybody is in place. It

773
00:43:37,841 --> 00:43:41,561
Speaker 3: is an immaculate operation. You know, it's not just dudes

774
00:43:41,601 --> 00:43:45,921
Speaker 3: crossing drugs across the border. You know, it's lawyers, doctors,

775
00:43:46,001 --> 00:43:49,521
Speaker 3: business owners that are in on it, moving pieces. So

776
00:43:51,161 --> 00:43:53,601
Speaker 3: and it's the same thing. You know this, it's same

777
00:43:53,601 --> 00:43:57,721
Speaker 3: thing with the most everybody has everybody's business. They're legit

778
00:43:57,841 --> 00:44:00,801
Speaker 3: business owners. Now if they bought their their businesses on

779
00:44:00,881 --> 00:44:04,841
Speaker 3: drug money, it's still a legit business. They have restaurants,

780
00:44:05,041 --> 00:44:08,081
Speaker 3: eye cleaners, you know, all types of businesses. It's how

781
00:44:08,081 --> 00:44:10,721
Speaker 3: it is with the mafia. And you need to have

782
00:44:11,121 --> 00:44:14,121
Speaker 3: large amounts of evidence to be able to convict some

783
00:44:14,361 --> 00:44:16,961
Speaker 3: convict somebody. That's why in some of these movies you

784
00:44:17,001 --> 00:44:19,641
Speaker 3: see you see the drug lord talking to the cops

785
00:44:19,641 --> 00:44:22,441
Speaker 3: and he's like, what, I'm running my business. You know.

786
00:44:24,201 --> 00:44:26,001
Speaker 3: That's what a lot of people don't understand. And I

787
00:44:26,001 --> 00:44:28,881
Speaker 3: think it's just ignorance, and really it's just the media

788
00:44:29,361 --> 00:44:33,681
Speaker 3: and the movies have caused a certain thought process like, oh,

789
00:44:33,681 --> 00:44:35,721
Speaker 3: this is how it really is. Like, you know, when

790
00:44:35,721 --> 00:44:37,841
Speaker 3: people are, like you didn't know your exo's in the cartel.

791
00:44:38,321 --> 00:44:42,041
Speaker 3: Like he was not moving kilos and kilos of drugs.

792
00:44:42,081 --> 00:44:45,161
Speaker 3: We didn't have kilos and kilos of drugs in my attic,

793
00:44:45,361 --> 00:44:48,521
Speaker 3: Like that's not what he was doing. He was working

794
00:44:48,561 --> 00:44:51,721
Speaker 3: the business side of things. Like do you get you know,

795
00:44:51,841 --> 00:44:53,081
Speaker 3: but a lot of people don't get it.

796
00:44:53,641 --> 00:44:54,361
Speaker 1: What what do you do?

797
00:44:54,401 --> 00:44:57,121
Speaker 2: You think the American governments are on top of it,

798
00:44:57,241 --> 00:45:00,201
Speaker 2: or you think that that they haven't got a clue,

799
00:45:00,281 --> 00:45:00,721
Speaker 2: then I.

800
00:45:00,601 --> 00:45:05,001
Speaker 3: Have a fucking clue. Not at all, not at all.

801
00:45:05,081 --> 00:45:06,721
Speaker 3: And you know, my business partner will tell you, he'll

802
00:45:06,721 --> 00:45:10,281
Speaker 3: tell you firsthand because he was the one movement everything.

803
00:45:11,481 --> 00:45:14,921
Speaker 3: And in fact, you know what we're trying to create,

804
00:45:15,801 --> 00:45:17,961
Speaker 3: Jay Flores and I what we're trying to create is

805
00:45:18,241 --> 00:45:22,721
Speaker 3: we're trying to help the US government really dismantle the cartel.

806
00:45:23,281 --> 00:45:25,241
Speaker 3: And this is the crazy thing is it's coming from

807
00:45:25,241 --> 00:45:28,641
Speaker 3: somebody who chased cartel members for eighteen years and an

808
00:45:28,681 --> 00:45:32,281
Speaker 3: actual person that was in charge of the one hundred

809
00:45:32,281 --> 00:45:35,081
Speaker 3: and sixty eight billion dollars that got crossed, Like this

810
00:45:35,161 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: man is the one who did this. So this man

811
00:45:38,161 --> 00:45:40,961
Speaker 3: is not going into the classroom and saying, hey, you

812
00:45:40,961 --> 00:45:42,881
Speaker 3: guys are doing it all wrong. This is how you

813
00:45:42,961 --> 00:45:48,161
Speaker 3: dismantle the cartel. Firsthand, he was number three in hierarchy

814
00:45:49,081 --> 00:45:49,761
Speaker 3: of the cartel.

815
00:45:50,441 --> 00:45:54,161
Speaker 2: You're not scared the way you talk and yeah, I

816
00:45:54,281 --> 00:45:55,521
Speaker 2: mean like and he brings things up.

817
00:45:55,641 --> 00:46:02,841
Speaker 3: You're not scared, No, because I am not affecting their routes.

818
00:46:02,961 --> 00:46:06,081
Speaker 3: I'm not. What I share is not affecting their operation.

819
00:46:06,721 --> 00:46:09,121
Speaker 3: They're still going to operate regardless of what I say.

820
00:46:09,441 --> 00:46:13,121
Speaker 3: I'm just sharing what I know in my experience. But

821
00:46:13,201 --> 00:46:15,201
Speaker 3: everybody always says that, like, oh my god, they're gonna

822
00:46:15,241 --> 00:46:16,921
Speaker 3: kick Why would they kill me? What are they gonna

823
00:46:16,921 --> 00:46:19,201
Speaker 3: get by killing me? I end up? If I end

824
00:46:19,241 --> 00:46:22,121
Speaker 3: up dead in a ditch, it's gonna be plastered on CNN.

825
00:46:22,281 --> 00:46:25,281
Speaker 3: That's too much noise for them. They're trying to not

826
00:46:25,361 --> 00:46:28,081
Speaker 3: get noticed. And the crazy thing is is I wasn't

827
00:46:28,121 --> 00:46:31,881
Speaker 3: even part of I wasn't part of the cartel, right,

828
00:46:31,961 --> 00:46:36,721
Speaker 3: I was part of the FEDS. But imagine my business partner,

829
00:46:37,241 --> 00:46:40,601
Speaker 3: who was number three in the cartel, Like that question

830
00:46:40,721 --> 00:46:43,881
Speaker 3: would would probably be best suited for him. But I've

831
00:46:43,921 --> 00:46:47,121
Speaker 3: asked him that question. He's like, no, I made a choice.

832
00:46:47,201 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: We all make choices in life.

833
00:46:49,801 --> 00:46:52,481
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just because I just feel like, you know,

834
00:46:52,641 --> 00:46:55,841
Speaker 2: you've got so much info you can show, like you

835
00:46:56,241 --> 00:46:59,001
Speaker 2: can talk on how they got it through or how

836
00:46:59,001 --> 00:46:59,521
Speaker 2: they try.

837
00:46:59,401 --> 00:47:00,001
Speaker 1: And get it through.

838
00:47:00,161 --> 00:47:02,361
Speaker 2: It's like you're giving away little trade secrets and it's

839
00:47:02,401 --> 00:47:05,881
Speaker 2: like fucking else. She talks too much, Man, get wouldn't

840
00:47:05,881 --> 00:47:06,881
Speaker 2: I get the shits with that?

841
00:47:07,121 --> 00:47:09,801
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not I'm not really talking about the actual routes.

842
00:47:09,961 --> 00:47:14,001
Speaker 3: I'm not really talking about you know, what time, what

843
00:47:14,121 --> 00:47:16,401
Speaker 3: time they're moving it, you know, stuff like that. But

844
00:47:17,721 --> 00:47:20,121
Speaker 3: it doesn't you know what I mean. But it also

845
00:47:20,201 --> 00:47:23,641
Speaker 3: doesn't take a rocket science to understand that this is

846
00:47:23,761 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: this is an organized operation like they they've been doing

847
00:47:29,041 --> 00:47:31,841
Speaker 3: this for years and years and years, and unfortunately the

848
00:47:31,881 --> 00:47:34,601
Speaker 3: government is also in on it because they're getting paid

849
00:47:34,601 --> 00:47:38,441
Speaker 3: off to let all these things go in. So you know,

850
00:47:39,241 --> 00:47:40,921
Speaker 3: like I talk about this in my book, and we

851
00:47:40,961 --> 00:47:44,081
Speaker 3: could talk about this because he's he's mister Trump is

852
00:47:44,081 --> 00:47:47,921
Speaker 3: being indicted for all types of bullshit. When the whole

853
00:47:47,921 --> 00:47:53,881
Speaker 3: situation happened, when all the patriots rushed into the Senate

854
00:47:54,321 --> 00:47:55,481
Speaker 3: or I don't know if it was a house of

855
00:47:55,561 --> 00:47:59,121
Speaker 3: representatives of the Senate, Like you're gonna tell me that

856
00:47:59,281 --> 00:48:04,441
Speaker 3: this high security, the most powerful military in the world

857
00:48:04,761 --> 00:48:09,281
Speaker 3: let these people into a government building, like they just

858
00:48:09,401 --> 00:48:13,401
Speaker 3: walked right in, Like I've been to d C. I

859
00:48:13,481 --> 00:48:16,201
Speaker 3: have a story in my book how I got kicked

860
00:48:16,241 --> 00:48:19,481
Speaker 3: out from a government building and I had access to

861
00:48:19,521 --> 00:48:22,601
Speaker 3: the building. Like why do people think that this was

862
00:48:22,641 --> 00:48:27,241
Speaker 3: not planned? This was a planned event, Like you're gonna

863
00:48:27,281 --> 00:48:30,081
Speaker 3: tell me that the strongest military in the world is

864
00:48:30,121 --> 00:48:35,361
Speaker 3: going to let civilians some of them had like bats,

865
00:48:35,401 --> 00:48:41,281
Speaker 3: into a government building to terrorize. Come on, Like, are

866
00:48:41,281 --> 00:48:49,441
Speaker 3: we really gonna believe that? I mean, like, when you

867
00:48:49,441 --> 00:48:52,241
Speaker 3: put it like that, you're thinking, yeah, this was planned,

868
00:48:53,361 --> 00:48:56,401
Speaker 3: and they happened to be a certain color and from

869
00:48:56,441 --> 00:49:00,961
Speaker 3: a certain demographic, like and they were all, you know,

870
00:49:01,281 --> 00:49:08,121
Speaker 3: wearing red hats. Yeah, You're just like, okay.

871
00:49:07,721 --> 00:49:08,121
Speaker 1: All right.

872
00:49:08,161 --> 00:49:13,921
Speaker 4: So I'm thinking, all right, So when you wrote your book,

873
00:49:14,201 --> 00:49:16,361
Speaker 4: let's let's let let's get to this bit, because this

874
00:49:16,481 --> 00:49:18,281
Speaker 4: is the bit that I want to really talk about.

875
00:49:18,801 --> 00:49:20,081
Speaker 1: When you wrote your book.

876
00:49:21,081 --> 00:49:26,081
Speaker 2: And your husband came clean about what he was doing,

877
00:49:27,281 --> 00:49:30,441
Speaker 2: how the fuck did you feel when you found out

878
00:49:30,481 --> 00:49:32,361
Speaker 2: about your husband, your ex husband.

879
00:49:32,801 --> 00:49:36,401
Speaker 3: So I explained it like this, I felt like I

880
00:49:36,401 --> 00:49:40,721
Speaker 3: got hit by a train and I had survived like

881
00:49:40,761 --> 00:49:43,721
Speaker 3: I wanted to be dead, But then I realized I was.

882
00:49:43,921 --> 00:49:46,241
Speaker 3: I was fucking alive, and I was like, I gotta

883
00:49:46,281 --> 00:49:50,001
Speaker 3: deal with this, and I'm part of the government, so

884
00:49:50,121 --> 00:49:54,601
Speaker 3: I have to report this and the reason and a

885
00:49:54,641 --> 00:49:56,881
Speaker 3: lot of people say, oh, she's not a writer died

886
00:49:57,041 --> 00:49:59,161
Speaker 3: and I'm like, but you don't understand. When you're a

887
00:49:59,241 --> 00:50:03,641
Speaker 3: cartel wife, you choose to be a cartel wife. I

888
00:50:03,681 --> 00:50:06,521
Speaker 3: did not choose to be a cartel wife. And the

889
00:50:06,601 --> 00:50:08,761
Speaker 3: fact that he chose me and thought he could get

890
00:50:08,761 --> 00:50:11,841
Speaker 3: away with it for this long, to me was insane,

891
00:50:11,961 --> 00:50:16,761
Speaker 3: like how selfish? Right, because his dad didn't want us

892
00:50:16,761 --> 00:50:19,201
Speaker 3: to get married, like his dad begged them not for

893
00:50:19,321 --> 00:50:22,481
Speaker 3: us not to get married. But I felt like my

894
00:50:22,641 --> 00:50:25,961
Speaker 3: entire life was over, Like I literally thought my life

895
00:50:26,001 --> 00:50:27,921
Speaker 3: was over. I was on the floor crying in the

896
00:50:27,921 --> 00:50:30,321
Speaker 3: fetal position, like what the fuck am I going to

897
00:50:30,401 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: do now? Because what people don't understand is I gave

898
00:50:34,481 --> 00:50:37,521
Speaker 3: the oath to the government, so I now had to

899
00:50:37,601 --> 00:50:41,001
Speaker 3: tell them who I had married. And the funny thing

900
00:50:41,081 --> 00:50:43,481
Speaker 3: is is they didn't come after him. They came after

901
00:50:43,641 --> 00:50:47,721
Speaker 3: me because I could. I now could have been a

902
00:50:47,761 --> 00:50:52,281
Speaker 3: trader to my own country because I swore under the

903
00:50:52,321 --> 00:50:56,161
Speaker 3: Bible that I would not do any of this activity.

904
00:50:56,441 --> 00:50:59,801
Speaker 3: So I went under federal investigation for seven weeks. Not him.

905
00:51:00,321 --> 00:51:02,401
Speaker 3: I was now sitting on the other side of the

906
00:51:02,401 --> 00:51:07,001
Speaker 3: interrogation table getting interrogated. And I was even there looking

907
00:51:07,041 --> 00:51:09,761
Speaker 3: at the interrogator like, you're really gonna ask me that, like,

908
00:51:09,921 --> 00:51:12,161
Speaker 3: let me coach you through this, because I was considered

909
00:51:12,201 --> 00:51:14,841
Speaker 3: I'm considered one of the best interrogators in the world.

910
00:51:15,121 --> 00:51:20,081
Speaker 3: So yeah, my entire life came crashing down. And the

911
00:51:20,121 --> 00:51:22,841
Speaker 3: simple fact that people don't understand I had to go

912
00:51:22,921 --> 00:51:26,041
Speaker 3: under federal investigation for seven weeks. Why would I make

913
00:51:26,081 --> 00:51:29,961
Speaker 3: this shit up like you can't. I would never ever

914
00:51:31,481 --> 00:51:33,521
Speaker 3: want anybody to go through this. I would never wish

915
00:51:33,561 --> 00:51:36,881
Speaker 3: this life on anybody, especially an agent, somebody that was

916
00:51:36,921 --> 00:51:39,961
Speaker 3: working for the government, like you know. And then people

917
00:51:39,961 --> 00:51:41,921
Speaker 3: are like, oh, you must have not been that good,

918
00:51:42,201 --> 00:51:44,721
Speaker 3: you know, for to not see it. They say shit

919
00:51:44,841 --> 00:51:47,081
Speaker 3: like that, you know, they said it on James English.

920
00:51:47,361 --> 00:51:50,281
Speaker 3: But I was like, you guys don't understand. I never

921
00:51:50,401 --> 00:51:54,401
Speaker 3: saw drugs. I never saw bricks in kilos of drugs.

922
00:51:54,521 --> 00:51:58,921
Speaker 3: He was doing things on a higher business level, right,

923
00:51:59,281 --> 00:52:01,241
Speaker 3: and so how was I going to see it. You know,

924
00:52:01,281 --> 00:52:04,001
Speaker 3: he was at business meetings, he was at business dinners,

925
00:52:04,041 --> 00:52:07,721
Speaker 3: he was at business trips. I never saw it was

926
00:52:07,841 --> 00:52:10,521
Speaker 3: never like I saw a truck full of cocaine. That

927
00:52:10,721 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: wasn't it. But people are so ignorant that they're like, oh,

928
00:52:14,121 --> 00:52:16,241
Speaker 3: she's not that good. And I'm like, you guys don't

929
00:52:16,361 --> 00:52:20,001
Speaker 3: realize that there's different levels of cartel activity.

930
00:52:20,801 --> 00:52:24,161
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did he gave me an altimating any of

931
00:52:24,161 --> 00:52:24,721
Speaker 2: these meetings?

932
00:52:25,001 --> 00:52:26,161
Speaker 3: Huh?

933
00:52:26,201 --> 00:52:28,001
Speaker 2: Did you ever go to one of these meetings like

934
00:52:28,041 --> 00:52:29,681
Speaker 2: with him, like and you just thought it was it

935
00:52:29,721 --> 00:52:31,961
Speaker 2: was work mats, you can think about it.

936
00:52:32,001 --> 00:52:34,321
Speaker 3: I was at home with babies, I was breastfeeding, I

937
00:52:34,361 --> 00:52:37,481
Speaker 3: was running my business. I was, you know, taking care

938
00:52:37,481 --> 00:52:39,721
Speaker 3: of the house, taking care of everything at home. I

939
00:52:39,801 --> 00:52:42,681
Speaker 3: never questioned it because it was it's like Wolfall wall Street,

940
00:52:43,041 --> 00:52:47,641
Speaker 3: you know Wolfall Wall Street with Leonardo DiCaprio. He when

941
00:52:47,681 --> 00:52:51,041
Speaker 3: you work with high when you work with millionaires that

942
00:52:51,081 --> 00:52:54,401
Speaker 3: are buying buildings and properties in Houston, who do you

943
00:52:54,441 --> 00:52:59,201
Speaker 3: think most of these owners are? They're cartel members that

944
00:52:59,281 --> 00:53:03,321
Speaker 3: are buying buildings in Houston. They're business owners. And he

945
00:53:03,321 --> 00:53:06,041
Speaker 3: he was doing the dealings, you know, of whatever sort.

946
00:53:06,561 --> 00:53:08,361
Speaker 3: So I would never see it because it was part

947
00:53:08,361 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: of his job.

948
00:53:09,641 --> 00:53:12,601
Speaker 1: So yeah, so never ever did you.

949
00:53:14,281 --> 00:53:17,561
Speaker 3: There were some instances where I thought things were a

950
00:53:17,601 --> 00:53:21,841
Speaker 3: little off. You know, his uncle was murdered by the

951
00:53:21,921 --> 00:53:27,361
Speaker 3: cartel and was dismembered and decapitated. So this is also

952
00:53:27,361 --> 00:53:31,361
Speaker 3: in the pike. And because he it's in the book.

953
00:53:31,481 --> 00:53:33,841
Speaker 3: So this came out of my ex husband's mouth. Is

954
00:53:34,361 --> 00:53:37,361
Speaker 3: his uncle was moving a million dollars worth of cocaine

955
00:53:37,561 --> 00:53:43,041
Speaker 3: from Houston to Pennsylvania and they caught him and they

956
00:53:43,121 --> 00:53:46,721
Speaker 3: killed them and they stole a million dollars. So my

957
00:53:46,841 --> 00:53:51,801
Speaker 3: ex's father lost a million dollars worth of profits. And

958
00:53:51,801 --> 00:53:53,841
Speaker 3: it's funny because a million dollars, you know, to us,

959
00:53:53,881 --> 00:53:55,801
Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god, but a million dollars is

960
00:53:55,841 --> 00:53:58,721
Speaker 3: a drop in the bucket for the cartel members, you know,

961
00:54:00,001 --> 00:54:01,241
Speaker 3: but it's a million dollars.

962
00:54:01,561 --> 00:54:03,521
Speaker 1: But how long did your marriage? Did that happen?

963
00:54:04,041 --> 00:54:07,001
Speaker 3: So that happened before we got together. But I would

964
00:54:07,041 --> 00:54:11,561
Speaker 3: hear during the Christmas parties and the family parties, the

965
00:54:11,721 --> 00:54:15,601
Speaker 3: aunt would say that that her husband was murdered, and

966
00:54:15,641 --> 00:54:17,641
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, how is he murdered? And they would

967
00:54:17,641 --> 00:54:20,041
Speaker 3: always say, oh, he just got in with some bad people.

968
00:54:20,561 --> 00:54:23,561
Speaker 3: But they were never going to detail until he told

969
00:54:23,601 --> 00:54:24,481
Speaker 3: me the real reason.

970
00:54:25,081 --> 00:54:27,041
Speaker 1: So that his father was involved too.

971
00:54:27,361 --> 00:54:30,761
Speaker 3: Everybody well, So it was his dad's side of the

972
00:54:30,801 --> 00:54:34,081
Speaker 3: family was involved because he grew up in the cartel.

973
00:54:34,241 --> 00:54:37,921
Speaker 3: His dad was money laundering when he was a child,

974
00:54:38,241 --> 00:54:40,761
Speaker 3: So my ex grew up in the cartel. So I

975
00:54:40,801 --> 00:54:43,881
Speaker 3: always tell people I did have compassion in my ex's

976
00:54:43,921 --> 00:54:46,801
Speaker 3: story because I grew up in a violent neighborhood where

977
00:54:46,801 --> 00:54:49,281
Speaker 3: people were getting shot and killed. He grew up in

978
00:54:49,321 --> 00:54:52,721
Speaker 3: the cartel, so he saw the large amount of money

979
00:54:52,801 --> 00:54:56,561
Speaker 3: and large amounts of drugs, and that became the norm

980
00:54:56,641 --> 00:54:59,681
Speaker 3: for him. So that's the only way that I was

981
00:54:59,721 --> 00:55:02,921
Speaker 3: able to understand that this is a life that he

982
00:55:03,001 --> 00:55:05,921
Speaker 3: grew up in and not a life that he joined,

983
00:55:05,961 --> 00:55:08,361
Speaker 3: if that makes sense. Because I grew up in the

984
00:55:08,361 --> 00:55:12,201
Speaker 3: hood seeing people get shot and seeing gang activity, so

985
00:55:12,721 --> 00:55:15,201
Speaker 3: that we had that in common. So that's how I

986
00:55:15,281 --> 00:55:17,961
Speaker 3: was able to really forgive what he did to me,

987
00:55:18,441 --> 00:55:20,681
Speaker 3: because we still have children and we still have to

988
00:55:20,761 --> 00:55:25,241
Speaker 3: parent our children. So that all of that goes into

989
00:55:25,321 --> 00:55:29,121
Speaker 3: second books. So my first book ends with him telling

990
00:55:29,121 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: me the truth. The second book begins with me going

991
00:55:32,561 --> 00:55:33,761
Speaker 3: under federal investigation.

992
00:55:34,561 --> 00:55:38,241
Speaker 1: Okay, do you think he used you?

993
00:55:38,281 --> 00:55:41,601
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so, because they never got anything

994
00:55:41,641 --> 00:55:45,001
Speaker 3: from me. I was never telling them secrets. A lot

995
00:55:45,001 --> 00:55:47,041
Speaker 3: of people say that, They're like, oh, she was in

996
00:55:47,081 --> 00:55:49,721
Speaker 3: on it, and I'm like, definitely not. Why would I

997
00:55:49,761 --> 00:55:51,481
Speaker 3: put my children through all of this.

998
00:55:51,721 --> 00:55:53,721
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think you were in on it.

999
00:55:53,801 --> 00:55:55,721
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, you know when you come

1000
00:55:55,721 --> 00:55:57,721
Speaker 2: home when you've had a bad day or you just

1001
00:55:57,761 --> 00:55:59,681
Speaker 2: want to vent a little bit, and you've come home

1002
00:55:59,681 --> 00:56:02,121
Speaker 2: when you've said to your husband, Ah, this is happening

1003
00:56:02,161 --> 00:56:04,681
Speaker 2: at work, this is happening at the agency, this is

1004
00:56:04,721 --> 00:56:05,641
Speaker 2: the next assignments.

1005
00:56:05,881 --> 00:56:07,121
Speaker 1: You never said anything like that.

1006
00:56:07,161 --> 00:56:11,681
Speaker 3: Saying no, never because we I just we never discussed it,

1007
00:56:12,121 --> 00:56:14,041
Speaker 3: you know. But the crazy thing is is I was

1008
00:56:14,081 --> 00:56:18,481
Speaker 3: actually I was in the DA elevator with the DA

1009
00:56:18,601 --> 00:56:22,961
Speaker 3: director in Houston with when Chopel got caught, and I

1010
00:56:23,041 --> 00:56:26,201
Speaker 3: remember he got the call. And it's crazy how everything

1011
00:56:26,281 --> 00:56:29,841
Speaker 3: is connected, right, So especially with like the big announcement

1012
00:56:29,881 --> 00:56:32,841
Speaker 3: that we're going to have, It's crazy how everything is connected.

1013
00:56:33,521 --> 00:56:35,401
Speaker 3: So if you want to get.

1014
00:56:35,241 --> 00:56:38,921
Speaker 1: Into that, I'll get it to anything.

1015
00:56:39,921 --> 00:56:42,841
Speaker 2: As long as James, As long as James English does it,

1016
00:56:42,961 --> 00:56:43,961
Speaker 2: I'll have it right.

1017
00:56:44,361 --> 00:56:48,001
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is a big announcement. This isn't exclusive

1018
00:56:48,161 --> 00:56:52,081
Speaker 3: just for Neil. So I grew up in Cicero and

1019
00:56:52,201 --> 00:56:55,681
Speaker 3: Jay Flores also grew up in the same neighborhood, so

1020
00:56:55,841 --> 00:56:59,721
Speaker 3: we grew up together. J Flores grew up Jay and

1021
00:56:59,801 --> 00:57:03,681
Speaker 3: his brother Peter grew up in the cartel. So obviously

1022
00:57:03,721 --> 00:57:05,961
Speaker 3: they were part of the cartel and they did their

1023
00:57:06,041 --> 00:57:09,001
Speaker 3: career in the cartel. I obviously was affected by the

1024
00:57:09,041 --> 00:57:11,161
Speaker 3: cartel for the murder of my friend, and I went

1025
00:57:11,201 --> 00:57:14,841
Speaker 3: and joined the FEDS. So if people don't know the

1026
00:57:14,881 --> 00:57:19,401
Speaker 3: story of j Flores and Peter Flores, they became informants

1027
00:57:19,561 --> 00:57:23,521
Speaker 3: for the DA and FBI and war wires, which ultimately

1028
00:57:23,601 --> 00:57:27,081
Speaker 3: led to Chapel being indicted. Now, what a lot of

1029
00:57:27,121 --> 00:57:30,241
Speaker 3: people don't realize is Chopo was not the head of

1030
00:57:30,281 --> 00:57:34,721
Speaker 3: the Sinala cartel. He was not the head. There's somebody

1031
00:57:34,721 --> 00:57:38,281
Speaker 3: else that's the head. Peter and Jay and Peter were

1032
00:57:38,361 --> 00:57:41,521
Speaker 3: number three, Chapo was number two. Jay and Peter were

1033
00:57:41,601 --> 00:57:44,841
Speaker 3: number three and four. So when they decided to work

1034
00:57:44,881 --> 00:57:47,401
Speaker 3: with the FEDS, they obviously worked with the FEDS and

1035
00:57:47,441 --> 00:57:52,241
Speaker 3: got Chopo caught. Right, So they went and did their time,

1036
00:57:52,561 --> 00:57:55,041
Speaker 3: which was twelve years. They spent twelve years in the

1037
00:57:55,081 --> 00:57:59,881
Speaker 3: Federal penitentiary. So now that they're out, Jay has been

1038
00:57:59,921 --> 00:58:03,961
Speaker 3: going around the country teaching law enforcement how to dismantle

1039
00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:09,721
Speaker 3: the cartel. So Jay and I, obviously we knew each

1040
00:58:09,761 --> 00:58:12,921
Speaker 3: other as children and now as adults. You know, I

1041
00:58:13,001 --> 00:58:15,841
Speaker 3: spent eighteen years of my life trying to catch them,

1042
00:58:16,241 --> 00:58:19,161
Speaker 3: and now we're partnering up together and doing a world

1043
00:58:19,201 --> 00:58:23,521
Speaker 3: tour on sharing the untold story of how we actually

1044
00:58:23,641 --> 00:58:26,081
Speaker 3: knew each other. And he grew up in the cartel

1045
00:58:26,241 --> 00:58:29,521
Speaker 3: and I went into the Feds. And it's really going

1046
00:58:29,601 --> 00:58:32,881
Speaker 3: to take take a storm because we decided to partner

1047
00:58:32,921 --> 00:58:35,441
Speaker 3: together because we actually have more in common than we don't.

1048
00:58:35,761 --> 00:58:38,121
Speaker 3: We came from the same neighborhood but had different paths

1049
00:58:38,201 --> 00:58:41,481
Speaker 3: in life. But now that he's paid his dues and

1050
00:58:41,561 --> 00:58:44,161
Speaker 3: he's ready to give back, a lot of people want

1051
00:58:44,201 --> 00:58:47,881
Speaker 3: to know his story. It was it was because of

1052
00:58:48,001 --> 00:58:50,561
Speaker 3: him that one hundred and sixty eight billion dollars of

1053
00:58:50,601 --> 00:58:55,361
Speaker 3: cocaine was transferred back and forth from the US to Mexico.

1054
00:58:56,041 --> 00:58:57,681
Speaker 3: So what a business man?

1055
00:58:57,801 --> 00:59:03,001
Speaker 2: Huh wow, wow, whatever happened to all that money?

1056
00:59:03,121 --> 00:59:08,801
Speaker 3: I don't know. He can tell you that, Wow, somewhere,

1057
00:59:09,041 --> 00:59:10,081
Speaker 3: It's definitely somewhere.

1058
00:59:10,241 --> 00:59:11,961
Speaker 1: It's well, it's definitely somewhere.

1059
00:59:12,401 --> 00:59:16,041
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that's that's amazing.

1060
00:59:16,361 --> 00:59:17,961
Speaker 1: That would have been hard for him to get out too,

1061
00:59:18,041 --> 00:59:18,361
Speaker 1: isn't it.

1062
00:59:18,801 --> 00:59:21,441
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, he paid his dues and

1063
00:59:21,921 --> 00:59:26,201
Speaker 3: he spent twelve years in the federal penitentiary. So now

1064
00:59:26,401 --> 00:59:29,521
Speaker 3: he's really making a difference by teaching law enforcement how

1065
00:59:29,601 --> 00:59:33,081
Speaker 3: to dismantle cartel or what to look for, like, you

1066
00:59:33,121 --> 00:59:35,321
Speaker 3: guys are looking at the wrong places. You guys are

1067
00:59:35,321 --> 00:59:39,481
Speaker 3: doing techniques the wrong place. So really, he he's really

1068
00:59:39,481 --> 00:59:40,481
Speaker 3: telling people the game.

1069
00:59:40,761 --> 00:59:45,761
Speaker 2: Going back to your ex husband, you were blacklisted and

1070
00:59:46,001 --> 00:59:49,641
Speaker 2: you've actually lost your whole career. How did that feel

1071
00:59:49,681 --> 00:59:52,521
Speaker 2: to did you just feel let down by the by

1072
00:59:52,561 --> 00:59:53,721
Speaker 2: the system or was it.

1073
00:59:54,201 --> 00:59:58,841
Speaker 3: I felt betrayed. I gave my entire life to the

1074
00:59:58,881 --> 01:00:02,841
Speaker 3: government and they just dropped me in, like you know,

1075
01:00:03,441 --> 01:00:07,961
Speaker 3: they dropped me in like a second. But I knew

1076
01:00:08,001 --> 01:00:11,481
Speaker 3: that publishing my book could lead to that, so I

1077
01:00:11,801 --> 01:00:14,481
Speaker 3: took a risk, you know. And then this goes back

1078
01:00:14,521 --> 01:00:17,481
Speaker 3: to taking risk, right, because first of all, if I

1079
01:00:17,521 --> 01:00:20,241
Speaker 3: never wrote the book, I would have never known the truth.

1080
01:00:20,361 --> 01:00:23,081
Speaker 3: Because the book triggered my ex to tell me the truth.

1081
01:00:24,001 --> 01:00:29,121
Speaker 3: But also, even if I sold no copies, it led

1082
01:00:29,241 --> 01:00:32,601
Speaker 3: him to tell his truth, a ten year lie that

1083
01:00:32,681 --> 01:00:35,321
Speaker 3: he was holding on. To imagine somebody holding a lie

1084
01:00:35,361 --> 01:00:37,441
Speaker 3: like that, it's a lot to carry, especially as a

1085
01:00:37,481 --> 01:00:40,641
Speaker 3: father and as a business owner, and as a Houston pillar,

1086
01:00:41,081 --> 01:00:46,961
Speaker 3: because he's a big Houston pillar. But also it also

1087
01:00:47,081 --> 01:00:50,081
Speaker 3: led me to believe that I was also meant for more.

1088
01:00:50,521 --> 01:00:52,641
Speaker 3: I was not meant to just work for the government.

1089
01:00:52,681 --> 01:00:55,681
Speaker 3: Because obviously the book became a bestseller. I then was

1090
01:00:55,721 --> 01:01:00,761
Speaker 3: catapulted into being an international motivational speaker, got published in Forbes,

1091
01:01:01,401 --> 01:01:05,161
Speaker 3: and obviously now I'm doing this international tour with Jay Flores.

1092
01:01:05,481 --> 01:01:10,321
Speaker 3: So it's almost like tragedy happened in the midst of triumph.

1093
01:01:11,201 --> 01:01:13,601
Speaker 3: And so it goes back to taking risk. You know,

1094
01:01:13,761 --> 01:01:16,681
Speaker 3: I took a risk by writing my life story because

1095
01:01:16,801 --> 01:01:20,121
Speaker 3: essentially the book is my life story, and I took

1096
01:01:20,121 --> 01:01:23,241
Speaker 3: a risk on sharing that, and the government just didn't

1097
01:01:23,321 --> 01:01:25,721
Speaker 3: like it. But that was something that I knew was

1098
01:01:25,761 --> 01:01:28,681
Speaker 3: a possibility that I would be blacklisted, and sure enough

1099
01:01:28,721 --> 01:01:29,081
Speaker 3: I was.

1100
01:01:30,001 --> 01:01:33,081
Speaker 2: Did a lot of your colleagues after you got blacklisted

1101
01:01:33,121 --> 01:01:36,921
Speaker 2: and you lost your career, just give you the cold shoulder.

1102
01:01:37,201 --> 01:01:39,521
Speaker 2: Did they just did they not believe you? Some of

1103
01:01:39,561 --> 01:01:40,761
Speaker 2: them about your story.

1104
01:01:40,921 --> 01:01:43,361
Speaker 3: Some of them didn't believe me, But the ones that

1105
01:01:43,401 --> 01:01:46,241
Speaker 3: were close to me did believe me. I remember them

1106
01:01:46,281 --> 01:01:49,641
Speaker 3: calling me and saying like this is insane, Like this

1107
01:01:49,881 --> 01:01:53,281
Speaker 3: is straight out of a movie. And guess what, that's

1108
01:01:53,321 --> 01:01:56,881
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. I sold my story to Hollywood because

1109
01:01:56,881 --> 01:01:59,361
Speaker 3: you can't make this shit up. Like even if we

1110
01:01:59,481 --> 01:02:04,281
Speaker 3: made it up, it would be a damn good story.

1111
01:02:05,161 --> 01:02:08,721
Speaker 2: So like, you, what are you going to do when

1112
01:02:08,721 --> 01:02:10,681
Speaker 2: they because you've got you've got children.

1113
01:02:10,761 --> 01:02:13,681
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what's going to happen when.

1114
01:02:13,641 --> 01:02:16,961
Speaker 2: When they get older and they find out about what

1115
01:02:17,001 --> 01:02:20,121
Speaker 2: their father did, what their mother did, and then what

1116
01:02:20,121 --> 01:02:23,361
Speaker 2: what happened in the end about finding out about their dad?

1117
01:02:23,401 --> 01:02:26,881
Speaker 2: And now that's why you separated, and now that's why

1118
01:02:26,921 --> 01:02:27,761
Speaker 2: you lost your career.

1119
01:02:28,201 --> 01:02:29,121
Speaker 1: How are you going to tell them that.

1120
01:02:29,761 --> 01:02:33,681
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell them that people make mistakes, big

1121
01:02:33,721 --> 01:02:38,001
Speaker 3: ones and the power of forgiveness. So you know, I've

1122
01:02:38,041 --> 01:02:40,321
Speaker 3: already thought this out. That's the name of my second book,

1123
01:02:40,361 --> 01:02:43,961
Speaker 3: The Power of Forgiveness. I had to forgive their father,

1124
01:02:44,481 --> 01:02:47,881
Speaker 3: and I had to forgive his father for the lies

1125
01:02:47,921 --> 01:02:50,641
Speaker 3: that they did to me, because when you don't forgive,

1126
01:02:51,521 --> 01:02:55,121
Speaker 3: those people have control over your life. And I had

1127
01:02:55,161 --> 01:02:59,681
Speaker 3: to forgive him for his lies for the sake of

1128
01:02:59,721 --> 01:03:04,121
Speaker 3: our children. So that's what I will tell my kids is, yes,

1129
01:03:04,201 --> 01:03:07,401
Speaker 3: he did something wrong. Yes it destroyed our lives, but

1130
01:03:07,521 --> 01:03:11,361
Speaker 3: I forgave him because we still have children at the

1131
01:03:11,441 --> 01:03:15,121
Speaker 3: end of the day. And he did tell me the truth. Eventually,

1132
01:03:15,201 --> 01:03:17,881
Speaker 3: he told me the truth, and it came with consequences,

1133
01:03:18,201 --> 01:03:21,841
Speaker 3: and those consequences were that we divorced, and obviously that

1134
01:03:21,921 --> 01:03:26,401
Speaker 3: I lost my career. But the silver lining is I

1135
01:03:26,481 --> 01:03:30,041
Speaker 3: spun a whole different life from the book. You know,

1136
01:03:30,081 --> 01:03:33,761
Speaker 3: I'm an executive producer, I'm you know, a best selling author.

1137
01:03:33,801 --> 01:03:36,481
Speaker 3: I was publishing Forbes twice. So it's like, can you

1138
01:03:36,561 --> 01:03:40,281
Speaker 3: imagine none of this would have happened if this didn't happen.

1139
01:03:41,201 --> 01:03:42,361
Speaker 3: It's crazy, I know.

1140
01:03:44,561 --> 01:03:48,761
Speaker 2: But I know you say you forgive him, but you

1141
01:03:48,881 --> 01:03:51,921
Speaker 2: lost your whole I know. Okay, all these all these

1142
01:03:51,961 --> 01:03:55,121
Speaker 2: gates have opened for you because it happened, But you

1143
01:03:55,201 --> 01:03:57,841
Speaker 2: lost your career that you were, that you went in

1144
01:03:57,921 --> 01:03:59,481
Speaker 2: for because of your friend.

1145
01:04:00,841 --> 01:04:04,481
Speaker 1: And what happened to him? Did he get away with me?

1146
01:04:04,641 --> 01:04:08,401
Speaker 3: Or what? Nothing happens to him. In fact, his career

1147
01:04:08,481 --> 01:04:13,801
Speaker 3: blew up. And I'll tell you why. The government was

1148
01:04:13,921 --> 01:04:19,961
Speaker 3: not going to go investigate some hearsaying just because he

1149
01:04:20,041 --> 01:04:22,081
Speaker 3: says something to me. The government was not going to

1150
01:04:22,121 --> 01:04:26,361
Speaker 3: go investigate. Department of Defense did not go investigate. In fact,

1151
01:04:26,721 --> 01:04:30,281
Speaker 3: when the book came out, he catapulted and started making

1152
01:04:30,281 --> 01:04:34,201
Speaker 3: more money because in his industry, it was like a flex.

1153
01:04:35,361 --> 01:04:40,801
Speaker 3: Does that make sense because he's in business with people

1154
01:04:40,841 --> 01:04:43,561
Speaker 3: who are buying buildings in Houston. Who do you think

1155
01:04:43,601 --> 01:04:47,561
Speaker 3: is buying buildings in Houston? Business owners? These business owners

1156
01:04:47,601 --> 01:04:51,521
Speaker 3: have a lot of money who are connected or are

1157
01:04:51,601 --> 01:04:53,921
Speaker 3: cartel members. And that's what a lot of people don't

1158
01:04:53,961 --> 01:04:57,601
Speaker 3: realize is a lot of cartel members own tons of

1159
01:04:57,681 --> 01:05:03,641
Speaker 3: businesses because they have the money for it. So it

1160
01:05:03,681 --> 01:05:04,161
Speaker 3: was a flex.

1161
01:05:05,241 --> 01:05:08,761
Speaker 2: So you lose out, you get drilled, you lose your career,

1162
01:05:09,281 --> 01:05:10,681
Speaker 2: and he catapults from it.

1163
01:05:11,761 --> 01:05:14,721
Speaker 1: And no surveillance on him to see what let's see

1164
01:05:14,721 --> 01:05:15,441
Speaker 1: what we can get from it.

1165
01:05:17,121 --> 01:05:22,681
Speaker 3: No, because and this is how I explain it. When

1166
01:05:22,721 --> 01:05:27,201
Speaker 3: investigations are done, it takes years and years and years

1167
01:05:27,281 --> 01:05:31,721
Speaker 3: and years to do these investigations. He was a speckle

1168
01:05:32,561 --> 01:05:37,321
Speaker 3: in the whole process of the whole organization. We have

1169
01:05:37,401 --> 01:05:40,841
Speaker 3: to start the investigations start from the bottom. The guys

1170
01:05:40,841 --> 01:05:45,121
Speaker 3: that are crossing to the top. It's harder to start

1171
01:05:45,121 --> 01:05:51,081
Speaker 3: an investigation from the top because it's harder they have

1172
01:05:51,241 --> 01:05:56,081
Speaker 3: their tracks are being covered more than the tracks of

1173
01:05:56,121 --> 01:05:59,321
Speaker 3: the guy who actually has the product in hand. Does

1174
01:05:59,361 --> 01:06:03,161
Speaker 3: that make sense? So a lot of people don't understand

1175
01:06:03,201 --> 01:06:06,201
Speaker 3: that is, we're not going to start the investigation up here.

1176
01:06:06,601 --> 01:06:09,201
Speaker 3: We have to start it down here and move all

1177
01:06:09,241 --> 01:06:12,801
Speaker 3: the way up. It's these guys down here, the little

1178
01:06:12,801 --> 01:06:19,681
Speaker 3: guys that tell us who else is involved in the trajectory.

1179
01:06:19,761 --> 01:06:23,001
Speaker 3: It's more, you know, it's more strategic than people realize.

1180
01:06:23,001 --> 01:06:27,561
Speaker 3: Like people, people are so conditioned to believe, oh my god,

1181
01:06:27,641 --> 01:06:30,761
Speaker 3: cartel is just it's just trucks with drugs. It's not.

1182
01:06:30,961 --> 01:06:34,921
Speaker 3: It's this whole organization. So the guys up here are

1183
01:06:34,961 --> 01:06:38,161
Speaker 3: sitting pretty in the suits, making a shitload of money

1184
01:06:38,281 --> 01:06:40,361
Speaker 3: because you know, my ex is a high earning man,

1185
01:06:40,641 --> 01:06:43,721
Speaker 3: is you know. But it's these little guys that we

1186
01:06:43,801 --> 01:06:47,961
Speaker 3: need to talk. So I was interrogating these little guys

1187
01:06:48,401 --> 01:06:51,801
Speaker 3: so that I can move up the chain. Does that

1188
01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:56,401
Speaker 3: make sense? These guys, these little guys have less to

1189
01:06:56,521 --> 01:06:58,521
Speaker 3: lose than the guys up here.

1190
01:07:00,001 --> 01:07:02,521
Speaker 1: But what does it make sense is and I still

1191
01:07:02,561 --> 01:07:03,801
Speaker 1: kind of get my head around that.

1192
01:07:04,841 --> 01:07:09,641
Speaker 2: You in your story, your book on podcasts media, you're

1193
01:07:09,721 --> 01:07:12,921
Speaker 2: saying what your ex did and his family did, yet

1194
01:07:12,921 --> 01:07:15,001
Speaker 2: the fucking government don't want to do anything about it.

1195
01:07:16,641 --> 01:07:20,361
Speaker 3: They're a lot of this is going into the second book.

1196
01:07:21,081 --> 01:07:24,121
Speaker 3: So again, you know, like with my business partner, he

1197
01:07:24,121 --> 01:07:27,881
Speaker 3: can explain a little bit more. But again, there are

1198
01:07:27,921 --> 01:07:31,641
Speaker 3: some cartel members that end up working for the government

1199
01:07:32,121 --> 01:07:35,241
Speaker 3: and getting immunity. So I'm not saying that that's what

1200
01:07:35,321 --> 01:07:38,441
Speaker 3: happened to them, but that's a possibility. A lot of

1201
01:07:38,441 --> 01:07:41,201
Speaker 3: people end up getting immunity and end up cutting deals

1202
01:07:41,641 --> 01:07:46,241
Speaker 3: for giving up information, and those those deals and those

1203
01:07:46,321 --> 01:07:50,081
Speaker 3: things never come to the media's eyes. So I was

1204
01:07:50,081 --> 01:07:51,961
Speaker 3: just going to drop that, you know, so that people

1205
01:07:51,961 --> 01:07:56,041
Speaker 3: can think about that, because that's what that's how it happened.

1206
01:07:56,441 --> 01:07:59,881
Speaker 3: You know, his father didn't even live in the US

1207
01:07:59,881 --> 01:08:02,881
Speaker 3: for ten years. Why would the dad not be living

1208
01:08:02,881 --> 01:08:05,081
Speaker 3: in the US for ten years. He was living in

1209
01:08:05,081 --> 01:08:09,041
Speaker 3: a foreign country in Central America, So you get where

1210
01:08:09,041 --> 01:08:09,641
Speaker 3: I'm getting at.

1211
01:08:09,881 --> 01:08:11,241
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of it.

1212
01:08:11,201 --> 01:08:14,561
Speaker 3: It's going to be explained more in book two. But yeah,

1213
01:08:15,041 --> 01:08:17,161
Speaker 3: but what we got it, you know, we gotta put

1214
01:08:17,161 --> 01:08:22,281
Speaker 3: that dialogue out there, is that to open these crazy investigations,

1215
01:08:22,521 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 3: it takes a lot of manpower, it takes a lot

1216
01:08:24,681 --> 01:08:27,401
Speaker 3: of money, and it takes a lot of time. So

1217
01:08:27,481 --> 01:08:31,441
Speaker 3: we already have all these investigations going already that take

1218
01:08:31,641 --> 01:08:34,401
Speaker 3: years and years and years. I think it took ten

1219
01:08:34,481 --> 01:08:39,281
Speaker 3: years to indict Chopel, with ten years of wires, ten

1220
01:08:39,361 --> 01:08:43,881
Speaker 3: years of footage, ten years of surveillance. So think about it.

1221
01:08:43,921 --> 01:08:45,361
Speaker 3: You think that they're going to be like, oh, he

1222
01:08:45,601 --> 01:08:49,241
Speaker 3: said this, let's go investigate. No, they investigated me.

1223
01:08:50,361 --> 01:08:54,281
Speaker 1: Yeah. But what I'm saying is for someone of your.

1224
01:08:54,161 --> 01:08:58,801
Speaker 2: Caliber who worked for the government and knowing what you know,

1225
01:08:59,041 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: and oh my god, her X was working for the cartel,

1226
01:09:02,801 --> 01:09:05,841
Speaker 2: surely they would go, we need to fuck can investigate

1227
01:09:05,881 --> 01:09:09,241
Speaker 2: this because she was high up in the department and

1228
01:09:09,961 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 2: this guy she's.

1229
01:09:11,681 --> 01:09:13,961
Speaker 1: She's blatantly openly saying he was pied.

1230
01:09:14,001 --> 01:09:17,561
Speaker 3: They didn't, Yeah, they didn't. They did investigate. They did investigate.

1231
01:09:17,561 --> 01:09:21,321
Speaker 3: They investigated me, They interrogated me, they went through the finances,

1232
01:09:21,361 --> 01:09:24,601
Speaker 3: the accounts, everything. But here's the thing. When you're at

1233
01:09:24,601 --> 01:09:31,601
Speaker 3: that level of involvement, you got your tracks covered. Do

1234
01:09:31,601 --> 01:09:32,321
Speaker 3: you get what I'm saying?

1235
01:09:32,641 --> 01:09:34,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the trucks. Yeah, I get that.

1236
01:09:34,641 --> 01:09:38,641
Speaker 3: So it's like, so they did investigate, but the investigation

1237
01:09:38,801 --> 01:09:40,961
Speaker 3: was on me because I'm the one who gave the

1238
01:09:40,961 --> 01:09:42,881
Speaker 3: oath to the government and I said I would never

1239
01:09:42,921 --> 01:09:46,081
Speaker 3: be involved in that. So all the attention came to me,

1240
01:09:46,241 --> 01:09:48,761
Speaker 3: and a lot of people can't understand that. They were like,

1241
01:09:48,801 --> 01:09:51,241
Speaker 3: why wouldn't they investigate him? And I'm like, there was

1242
01:09:51,281 --> 01:09:54,241
Speaker 3: no evidence other than the fact that he told me

1243
01:09:54,321 --> 01:09:58,441
Speaker 3: he was involved. There is no evidence. That's the other thing.

1244
01:09:58,481 --> 01:10:01,401
Speaker 3: There's no evidence. Now I had to report it because

1245
01:10:01,441 --> 01:10:04,801
Speaker 3: he told me, and now I'm associated with a soul

1246
01:10:04,841 --> 01:10:08,721
Speaker 3: called cartel member. But I was investigated. And when they

1247
01:10:08,761 --> 01:10:11,961
Speaker 3: investigated me, and after seven weeks of investigation, they said

1248
01:10:12,201 --> 01:10:15,121
Speaker 3: she really wasn't involved, because they even tapped into my

1249
01:10:15,241 --> 01:10:18,681
Speaker 3: phone calls of me crying to my best friend like

1250
01:10:18,761 --> 01:10:21,921
Speaker 3: how did this happen? How did this happen? And my

1251
01:10:22,001 --> 01:10:26,481
Speaker 3: best friend crying on the other line, saying you tried

1252
01:10:26,521 --> 01:10:28,841
Speaker 3: to end the marriage because I did. The day of

1253
01:10:28,881 --> 01:10:32,241
Speaker 3: our wedding, I pulled her to the side and I

1254
01:10:32,281 --> 01:10:35,841
Speaker 3: said I cannot marry this man and she convinced me.

1255
01:10:36,201 --> 01:10:39,201
Speaker 3: She took me we had this crazy lavish wedding. She

1256
01:10:39,321 --> 01:10:41,201
Speaker 3: took me to the you know, to the window, and

1257
01:10:41,201 --> 01:10:43,761
Speaker 3: she's like, look at all these people here and all

1258
01:10:43,761 --> 01:10:47,361
Speaker 3: these flowers and all this fucking thing you guys did.

1259
01:10:47,441 --> 01:10:49,681
Speaker 3: She's like, you got to marry him, and that's in

1260
01:10:49,721 --> 01:10:52,081
Speaker 3: the book and that will be in the movie. And

1261
01:10:52,121 --> 01:10:55,241
Speaker 3: when this all came out, she was in tears, like

1262
01:10:55,441 --> 01:10:58,201
Speaker 3: you had a gut instinct not to marry this man,

1263
01:10:58,361 --> 01:11:01,881
Speaker 3: and I pushed you to marry this man. So all

1264
01:11:01,921 --> 01:11:05,001
Speaker 3: that those calls were all listened to and it, you know,

1265
01:11:05,161 --> 01:11:07,921
Speaker 3: I was like distraw, like, oh my god, like what

1266
01:11:07,961 --> 01:11:11,921
Speaker 3: the fuck is happening? So it's crazy. I know it's

1267
01:11:11,961 --> 01:11:16,441
Speaker 3: crazy enough that we're making it into a movie, but.

1268
01:11:16,441 --> 01:11:19,441
Speaker 1: I still kind of get like, it's okay, I can't

1269
01:11:19,481 --> 01:11:21,521
Speaker 1: get my head round that. But now I'm trying to think.

1270
01:11:22,321 --> 01:11:23,681
Speaker 1: I still can't get my head round day.

1271
01:11:23,841 --> 01:11:26,201
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to get my head now around why

1272
01:11:26,241 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: the cota Hel didn't get the shits with him, thinking

1273
01:11:29,321 --> 01:11:30,961
Speaker 2: does he give us up? As he talked to his

1274
01:11:31,001 --> 01:11:33,081
Speaker 2: ex wife as he said this, as he said that

1275
01:11:33,321 --> 01:11:36,121
Speaker 2: did they did they even get involved?

1276
01:11:36,321 --> 01:11:38,841
Speaker 3: No? The only The only thing that he told me

1277
01:11:39,641 --> 01:11:42,961
Speaker 3: was how his father was involved when they were children.

1278
01:11:43,721 --> 01:11:46,801
Speaker 3: He never disclosed what he was actually doing in the

1279
01:11:46,841 --> 01:11:49,801
Speaker 3: present time. That's that's what a lot of people don't

1280
01:11:49,841 --> 01:11:52,721
Speaker 3: realize is he told me his family was part of

1281
01:11:52,761 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 3: the cartel, and then he told me what he went

1282
01:11:54,721 --> 01:11:58,201
Speaker 3: through as a child, But he didn't say he never

1283
01:11:58,401 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: said anything that he was doing currently.

1284
01:12:02,561 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: But this hit the media. Yet this hit the media.

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Speaker 3: It didn't. Yeah, for sure, it hit the media. But

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01:12:07,641 --> 01:12:11,641
Speaker 3: here's the other thing. Houston media does not want to

1287
01:12:11,681 --> 01:12:14,401
Speaker 3: talk to me because they're terrified of the cartel, so

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01:12:14,441 --> 01:12:16,321
Speaker 3: they're not going to put me in the Houston media.

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01:12:16,361 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of the media is from like California, London,

1290
01:12:20,881 --> 01:12:25,441
Speaker 3: you know, Chicago, Florida, but not Houston. Houston does not

1291
01:12:25,481 --> 01:12:27,721
Speaker 3: want to talk about the cartel because their neighbors are

1292
01:12:27,761 --> 01:12:28,601
Speaker 3: cartel members.

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01:12:30,321 --> 01:12:32,081
Speaker 1: Because that's what That's what I was trying to think.

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01:12:32,161 --> 01:12:34,721
Speaker 2: If this hit the media and I was in the

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01:12:34,761 --> 01:12:36,761
Speaker 2: cartel and I go look at this ship, look at

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01:12:36,761 --> 01:12:38,641
Speaker 2: what ada, I'd be go balking.

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01:12:39,681 --> 01:12:42,601
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you firsthand from the cartel, the

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01:12:42,681 --> 01:12:45,561
Speaker 3: cartel felt bad for me. They were laughing at me,

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01:12:47,001 --> 01:12:50,481
Speaker 3: right and I'm talking this because I obviously my business

1300
01:12:50,521 --> 01:12:53,281
Speaker 3: partner was number three and seeing a little cartel. But

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01:12:53,961 --> 01:12:57,161
Speaker 3: he was laughing. He was laughing, and he was like,

1302
01:12:57,721 --> 01:13:01,321
Speaker 3: we they feel bad for you because he lied to you.

1303
01:13:01,561 --> 01:13:05,801
Speaker 3: Because most cartel wives know what their husbands are into, right,

1304
01:13:06,561 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 3: So like Jay's wife, she's in prison right now because

1305
01:13:10,721 --> 01:13:13,841
Speaker 3: she's got to pay her dues for whatever she did

1306
01:13:14,121 --> 01:13:17,801
Speaker 3: as being an accomplice to whatever he did, right, so

1307
01:13:17,841 --> 01:13:20,641
Speaker 3: she knew, so she yeah, she's in prison. And then

1308
01:13:20,961 --> 01:13:23,441
Speaker 3: Jay's wife and Peter's wife are in prison right now.

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01:13:24,441 --> 01:13:29,241
Speaker 3: That's all over the media as well. But that's the thing,

1310
01:13:29,521 --> 01:13:32,841
Speaker 3: is like there was never any evidence and there was

1311
01:13:32,921 --> 01:13:36,561
Speaker 3: nobody that wanted to even go look for it. So

1312
01:13:36,761 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 3: leads me to believe that they probably signed some deal

1313
01:13:40,361 --> 01:13:43,881
Speaker 3: with the government at some point. That leads me to believe.

1314
01:13:43,601 --> 01:13:47,961
Speaker 1: That, Wow, that's insane.

1315
01:13:48,561 --> 01:13:51,641
Speaker 3: It is. It really is, like you cannot make this

1316
01:13:51,681 --> 01:13:55,561
Speaker 3: shit up. Like I laugh about it now, but three

1317
01:13:55,641 --> 01:13:58,001
Speaker 3: years ago I was crying in the fetal position about

1318
01:13:58,001 --> 01:14:01,761
Speaker 3: it because I was like, how does this happen? But

1319
01:14:01,801 --> 01:14:04,481
Speaker 3: it's almost like a whirlwind, Like I grew up in

1320
01:14:04,521 --> 01:14:08,121
Speaker 3: this neighborhoo with this cartel member. He went this way,

1321
01:14:08,161 --> 01:14:10,921
Speaker 3: I went that way. Then I end up marrying a

1322
01:14:10,961 --> 01:14:14,641
Speaker 3: guy that was involved just to lose everything just to

1323
01:14:14,801 --> 01:14:18,001
Speaker 3: come back to this person. And now we're gonna take

1324
01:14:18,001 --> 01:14:23,801
Speaker 3: on the world like it's crazy. Yeah, any regrets, No,

1325
01:14:24,201 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 3: I don't have any regrets because if I regret the marriage,

1326
01:14:26,721 --> 01:14:29,881
Speaker 3: I'm regretting my children, and my children are the best

1327
01:14:29,921 --> 01:14:32,561
Speaker 3: thing that ever happened to me. So you can never

1328
01:14:32,681 --> 01:14:36,041
Speaker 3: regret anything, because even the worstest part of your life

1329
01:14:36,521 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 3: is what gets you to the best part of your life.

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01:14:39,161 --> 01:14:39,361
Speaker 3: You do.

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01:14:39,481 --> 01:14:43,601
Speaker 1: There's nothing you'd like to have changed, you know, nothing.

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01:14:43,641 --> 01:14:46,961
Speaker 3: No, nothing. And I literally thought through this so many

1333
01:14:47,001 --> 01:14:49,121
Speaker 3: times because I was like, I should have never married

1334
01:14:49,121 --> 01:14:53,361
Speaker 3: this motherfucker. But you know what, seriously, I feel like things.

1335
01:14:53,961 --> 01:14:57,961
Speaker 3: I feel like God places people in specific situations, and

1336
01:14:58,041 --> 01:15:00,401
Speaker 3: some of us are too stronger than others, Like I've

1337
01:15:00,401 --> 01:15:03,361
Speaker 3: been through Helen back in a handbasket, and I laugh

1338
01:15:03,401 --> 01:15:06,241
Speaker 3: about it now because I'm so mentally strong and I'm

1339
01:15:06,281 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 3: so mentally powerful. Then I'm still working for the government

1340
01:15:09,881 --> 01:15:13,121
Speaker 3: and they're still paying me for the skills that I've acquired,

1341
01:15:13,441 --> 01:15:15,161
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So at the same time,

1342
01:15:15,201 --> 01:15:17,001
Speaker 3: I was like, who's really on top.

1343
01:15:18,521 --> 01:15:22,161
Speaker 2: If they ever returned that like blacklist on you and

1344
01:15:22,441 --> 01:15:24,161
Speaker 2: once said to you, would you come back?

1345
01:15:24,201 --> 01:15:26,641
Speaker 1: Would you go back? Uh?

1346
01:15:27,441 --> 01:15:30,721
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't go back with Department of Defense. No,

1347
01:15:30,801 --> 01:15:33,521
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go back. But that's the other thing. There's

1348
01:15:33,561 --> 01:15:36,241
Speaker 3: so many agencies in the government, Like it's just in

1349
01:15:36,521 --> 01:15:39,561
Speaker 3: the US government, there's over two hundred agencies. Just because

1350
01:15:39,561 --> 01:15:42,241
Speaker 3: you're blacklisted from one doesn't mean you're blacklisted from all

1351
01:15:42,281 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 3: of them.

1352
01:15:43,441 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, people get.

1353
01:15:44,601 --> 01:15:48,201
Speaker 3: Blacklisted from FBI, DACI all the time, you know. And

1354
01:15:48,801 --> 01:15:51,601
Speaker 3: I always say, we're the ones that have the most character.

1355
01:15:51,761 --> 01:15:54,881
Speaker 3: We did something wrong and pissed somebody off, but it

1356
01:15:54,921 --> 01:15:58,601
Speaker 3: doesn't take away from our expertise and our mastery. You know,

1357
01:15:59,001 --> 01:16:01,881
Speaker 3: we paid the dues, we did the work. I was

1358
01:16:01,961 --> 01:16:04,521
Speaker 3: undercover for two years. Like you can never take that

1359
01:16:04,601 --> 01:16:07,481
Speaker 3: experiences away from me. Like when people are like you're

1360
01:16:07,481 --> 01:16:10,361
Speaker 3: a badass, Like, yeah, I had ten guns to my

1361
01:16:10,441 --> 01:16:15,601
Speaker 3: head and I survived. Hell, yeah, I'm a badass and

1362
01:16:15,641 --> 01:16:19,521
Speaker 3: I'd live to tell the story for sure. Wow.

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01:16:20,041 --> 01:16:24,041
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I'm so glad that part three

1364
01:16:24,281 --> 01:16:28,721
Speaker 2: of this interview has gone well, and I'm glad that

1365
01:16:28,801 --> 01:16:32,321
Speaker 2: I got you to come on my podcast because This

1366
01:16:32,481 --> 01:16:36,321
Speaker 2: has been months and months of us waiting to do this,

1367
01:16:37,001 --> 01:16:41,361
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad, and you know, I'm so excited

1368
01:16:41,721 --> 01:16:46,881
Speaker 2: for the next journey. I won't say too much, but

1369
01:16:47,001 --> 01:16:53,761
Speaker 2: of what we have planned after this podcast, and I'm

1370
01:16:53,841 --> 01:16:57,121
Speaker 2: really excited to do something with you soon.

1371
01:16:57,281 --> 01:16:58,561
Speaker 1: So but I'm so.

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01:16:58,521 --> 01:17:01,361
Speaker 2: Grateful, but coming on my podcast and sharing your story,

1373
01:17:01,801 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure.

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01:17:03,321 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 3: Thank you, Neil. I appreciate it.