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Speaker 1: Hi, Bromwyn listeners. It's Claire from the Australian Back to

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Speaker 1: let you know about another installment of our very special

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Speaker 1: video only series of Bromwyn episodes. In this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: live now at Bromwyn podcast dot com, we continue our

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Speaker 1: conversation recorded at Headley Thomas's home. Sitting around the kitchen table,

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Speaker 1: Hedley and I are joined by Michelle and Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: and Mattie Walsh. It's a candid analysis where Headley opens

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Speaker 1: up on his process.

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Speaker 2: When you start self censoring and taking lots of information

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Speaker 2: or parts of a story that are integral to that

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Speaker 2: story out of play, you're on a slippery slope.

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Speaker 1: And the youngest member of our team, Mattie Walsh, talks

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Speaker 1: about the intersection between the podcast and our public Facebook forum.

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Speaker 3: Some members of the family do choose to air their

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Speaker 3: personal agroepmances on that page when it's so easily accessible

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Speaker 3: just to contact whoever they're targeting, and because they're doing that,

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Speaker 3: it's opening up this discussion to the public where they're

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Speaker 3: allowed to now comment on what this person is saying,

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Speaker 3: and they start asking questions that you know they really

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be asking, and it's really not their business, and

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Speaker 3: to be quite honest, some of these things should not

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Speaker 3: be brought to the forum. So much of this podcast

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Speaker 3: is personal, and so much of this podcast brings up

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Speaker 3: many private matters, but a lot of them are brought

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Speaker 3: up because people choose to err it publicly. So we

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Speaker 3: have to broach those subjects. We have to talk about

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Speaker 3: them because otherwise people are going to be confused. Otherwise

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Speaker 3: people are going to say, well, why did you ignore this?

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Speaker 3: Why did you not look further into it? But then

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Speaker 3: it backfires when it then gets mentioned in the podcast

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Speaker 3: because they say, oh, it's not your story to share.

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Speaker 1: And of course we continue to probe the big question,

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Speaker 1: where is Bromwn's body. This is about as stark as

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Speaker 1: it gets. Bromwyn is either there under that house in

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Speaker 1: Illowong or she's not. There's no two ways about it.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough decision now because we have to work

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Speaker 2: out how best to approach the people who own this

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Speaker 2: house at Ilowong. They've possibly raised a family there, they've

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Speaker 2: got a large investment in this house, and they're going

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Speaker 2: to have complete strangers approaching them to say, we have

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Speaker 2: suspicions about a corpse in the ground. Of your home.

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Speaker 2: We're going to need to approach these people with complete

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Speaker 2: candor and honesty and integrity and a lot of care.

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Speaker 2: They'll have many questions, why our place, what makes you

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Speaker 2: think it's possible, Where do you think this might go?

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Speaker 2: If it's true, What do you need us to do?

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Speaker 2: What if we say no? They're all very legitimate questions,

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Speaker 2: and we need to know the answers to most of

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Speaker 2: those before we even go there. I think that we

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Speaker 2: can't avoid it. We're not going to be disturbing a

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Speaker 2: crime scene yet because we don't know whether it is

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Speaker 2: a crime scene, but it is something we have to

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Speaker 2: work out. We need to be able to satisfy our

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Speaker 2: questions and our curiosity about this. We tried up at

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Speaker 2: Lake Ainsworth. In my view, there's much much more circumstantial

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Speaker 2: evidence pointing to this former building site where John Wingfield

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Speaker 2: was working in nineteen ninety three, a site that he

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Speaker 2: had access to, that he potentially had control of, a

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Speaker 2: site that was about to get a concrete pore, and that,

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Speaker 2: by the reckoning of Glenn Webster and Andy Reid, both

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Speaker 2: highly qualified builders, would have dug a hole beneath the

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Speaker 2: area that would have taken a slab within a day

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Speaker 2: perhaps two, of that whole being dug, So there are

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Speaker 2: powerful reasons to suspect this place doesn't mean Brombin's there,

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Speaker 2: but it needs to be ruled out.

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Speaker 1: Season three of the podcast is coming in February, with

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Speaker 1: all episodes written and hosted by Headley Thomas right here

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Speaker 1: in your audio feed.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that we'll be looking at in

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Speaker 2: the Inquest when we do season three and develop episodes

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Speaker 2: around the evidence from the inquest is the suspicion that

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Speaker 2: fell on a building site near Lennox Head that John

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Speaker 2: had access to, and evidence that was part of those

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Speaker 2: in quest proceedings about the possibility that Robin was in

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Speaker 2: that building site. So it was occurring to people at

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Speaker 2: an early stage that a builder with access to a

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Speaker 2: building site could potentially conceal a body, but it just

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Speaker 2: seems that they were looking in the wrong part of.

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Speaker 1: Episodes one and two of this special video only series

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