WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 19 June

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<v Speaker 1>On scars Ostrodio. This is the Reader Panalty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panety Show. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>up tonight, Queensland Premier Stephen Miles blames reckless Queensland drivers

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<v Speaker 2>for the state's hospital crisis. Peter Dutton announces these seven Sides,

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<v Speaker 2>where the Coalition is proposing to establish nuclear reactors. The

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<v Speaker 2>always insightful Ralph Scholhammer joins me to discuss Europe's swing

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<v Speaker 2>to the right and why Italy's Georgia Maloney has emerged

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<v Speaker 2>as the region's strongest leader.

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<v Speaker 3>Mi Horowitz will be here to discuss Lefty's.

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<v Speaker 2>Losing it, including the usual unhinged scare mongering about climate

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<v Speaker 2>collapse from MSNBC, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Lucrative politics of climate collapse, and the greed that is

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<v Speaker 4>literally letting our country burn.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave. Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>a top medical boss in Jeansland, has rubbish claims from

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<v Speaker 2>Premier Stephen Miles that careless drivers were choking up hospitals

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<v Speaker 2>and putting pressure on healthcare. Miles on Saturday claim the

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<v Speaker 2>Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital was forced to cancel surgeries

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<v Speaker 2>due to a surge in road related trauma cases thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to careless Queensland drivers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a new one from Smiley. I've got to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>But whether it's careless drivers or whether it's a respiratory issue,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the causes, surely you can't be blaming the patients.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact is Labour's been in power up there for

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<v Speaker 2>around the decade and if the Queensland health system is

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble, it's on the Labor government.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's face it, Rita.

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<v Speaker 5>Just like in Yes, Minister, the most efficient hospital in

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<v Speaker 5>Queensland is the one with no patients. But look, it's

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<v Speaker 5>pretty bad look from Stephen Miles, given that we've had

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<v Speaker 5>some horrific, horrific acts and so on some of our

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<v Speaker 5>rubbish Queensland roads, particularly in regional Queensland. In the last week,

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<v Speaker 5>there's been about ten people die. Families have been ruined

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<v Speaker 5>off the back of this, So for him to now

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<v Speaker 5>throw that sort of stuff into the mix of it

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<v Speaker 5>is just horrendous. The simple point here is there's more

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<v Speaker 5>people in the Queensland Health Department in inner city buildings

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<v Speaker 5>carrying clipboards and coming up with new forms, fees and

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<v Speaker 5>directions and plans for inspections than there are people giving

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<v Speaker 5>that patient caregiver kind of task. And so we just

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<v Speaker 5>need more nurses, we need more doctors. We need to

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<v Speaker 5>be deliberately hiring people to do that. We need people

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<v Speaker 5>who are in the maintenance teams at our hospitals. We

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<v Speaker 5>don't need as many bureaucrats as we've currently gotten. This

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<v Speaker 5>bloke's a former health minister, and our health departments are choking,

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<v Speaker 5>just like they are all around Australia. And people vote

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<v Speaker 5>Labor because I actually think they're good on things like

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<v Speaker 5>public health. There mob a completely rubbish because what they

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<v Speaker 5>do is they hire a whole battalion of bureaucrats and

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<v Speaker 5>then the left over money trickles down to where the

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<v Speaker 5>patient needs the help. That's your problem. That is the problem,

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<v Speaker 5>full stop. And he is just kidding himself. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's disgusting. Given the number of deaths that have

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<v Speaker 5>been on Queensland roads over the last couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 5>it's disgusting he should bring such things into the mix.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the situation is pretty grim in Victoria as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a paramedic crisis down here and parents of

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<v Speaker 2>a four year old child who wasn't breathing were forced

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<v Speaker 2>to drive themselves drive this child to a hospital after

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<v Speaker 2>being told the nearest ambulance was fifty kilometers away. This

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't Gary in some regional, far flung area. It happened

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<v Speaker 2>in metropolitan Melbourne in the early hours of Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 3>When they called.

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<v Speaker 2>A fleet, availability across the entire ambulance network in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>had dropped to just one percent, prompting a code. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just this a nightmare for a parent to have a

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<v Speaker 2>child who is not breathing and you call an ambulance

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<v Speaker 2>in a first world country and they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be there.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not going to be there because they're fifty kilometers away.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going to get there in time, and you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to take that child into hospital yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just not good enough. Given the amount of money.

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<v Speaker 2>We have devoted to this sector, there is so much mismanagement.

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<v Speaker 3>Gary.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, absolutely, and thousands of healthcare professionals have been purged

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<v Speaker 5>out of our state health systems as a result of

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<v Speaker 5>the overreach during the COVID crisis, the crisis that we

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<v Speaker 5>now know more manufactured by government than in reality. Thousands

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<v Speaker 5>of people put purged out of the system, and people

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<v Speaker 5>don't trust the system anymore. Look, and it's bad enough

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<v Speaker 5>that I couldn't imagine the dreadful stress of a parent

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<v Speaker 5>worried about a child. But for those of us who've

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<v Speaker 5>got elderly family members, parents and so forth, I can

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<v Speaker 5>attest to a fifteen hour wait to get an ambulance

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<v Speaker 5>in the middle of suburban brisb and not so long ago,

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<v Speaker 5>fifteen hours, fifteen hours reader, and they just kept bringing saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>was he okay? Is he's still alive? It's like this

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<v Speaker 5>just is not the way it should work. The basics

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<v Speaker 5>are not being done, but the bureaucracy is being built.

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<v Speaker 5>The burgeoning bureaucracy is what's soaking up all of the

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<v Speaker 5>tax dollars that are going into things like health.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've got down here in Victoria paramedics graduating and

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<v Speaker 2>not finding jobs locally, having to go elsewhere to get

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<v Speaker 2>jobs ridiculous. And then we've got ridiculous because we've got

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<v Speaker 2>the cfm AU getting a twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Percent pay deal increasy.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got people holding up stop signs earning two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand plus, and yet the paramedics who earn a fraction

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<v Speaker 2>of that aren't even getting the jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>It is madness. It needs to change.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you don't have a competent opposition, the people

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<v Speaker 2>really don't have much of a choice. Now, the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>federally is planning to build a two nuclear power plan

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<v Speaker 2>in regional Queensland. Tot Apedadutton announced the locations for all

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<v Speaker 2>seven sites where the Coalition is proposing to establish nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>reactors and he attacked Anthony Alberize's lack of vision and

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<v Speaker 2>the absurdity of the renewable only policy.

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<v Speaker 6>The Prime Minister has no vision for our country because

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<v Speaker 6>he can't manage the government day to day. We've done

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<v Speaker 6>an enormous amount of work. I want to pay tribute

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<v Speaker 6>to Ted O'Brien. We've looked at the international experience. We've

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<v Speaker 6>looked at why Australians are paying the highest electricity prices

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<v Speaker 6>in the world. We've looked at the expert advice from

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<v Speaker 6>the regulator who's now telling us that under Labour's renewables

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<v Speaker 6>only policy there is a greater likelihood of blackouts and brownouts.

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<v Speaker 6>We know that the government has a renewables only policy

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<v Speaker 6>which is just not fit for purpose. No other country

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<v Speaker 6>in the world can keep the lights on twenty four

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<v Speaker 6>to seven with the renewables only policy.

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<v Speaker 2>But Gary, despite the majority of Australians now supporting nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>policies inspired this scam mongering we're seeing because there is

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<v Speaker 2>so much scam mongering from the media and all those.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure rent seekers.

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<v Speaker 2>The Queensland opposition leader is still insisting he's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to support repealing these states nuclear bad.

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<v Speaker 3>How is he determined to snatch.

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<v Speaker 2>Defeat from the jaws of victory.

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<v Speaker 3>What is happening up there?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, times shall tell.

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<v Speaker 5>And of course in a couple of weeks time there's

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<v Speaker 5>a state conference of the Liberal National Party, so I

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<v Speaker 5>guess there'll be a few comments about all of that.

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<v Speaker 5>But look, in the end, Peter Duarton is showing the

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<v Speaker 5>sort of leadership Australia desperately needs.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton's putting forward a plan that says we.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't need twenty eight thousand kilometers of duplication when it

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<v Speaker 5>comes to all those high energy towers that.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot across the countryside.

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<v Speaker 5>Peter Duarton is saying that instead of taking up hundreds

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<v Speaker 5>of thousands of hectares of land to put solar panels

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<v Speaker 5>on top of good agricultural land, all we need is

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of acres of land to build a nuclear

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<v Speaker 5>power station next to an exist in culfide power station.

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<v Speaker 5>He's also putting, in the words of David little Proud,

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest single investment into the South burn at the

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<v Speaker 5>area around king Arroy. That's more than just peanuts, king Roy.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me tell you, the biggest single investment ever announced

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<v Speaker 5>into the south Burnet has been announced as part of

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<v Speaker 5>this whole plan. So this is about Some people don't

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<v Speaker 5>understand it. They'll catch up to it, but it's about cheap,

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<v Speaker 5>reliable base load power that's going to grow jobs. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think the most telling part about what Dutton did

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<v Speaker 5>today is he's not so much worried about his policy

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<v Speaker 5>for the next election. He's thinking about the next generation

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<v Speaker 5>and the generation after that and the one after that.

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<v Speaker 5>He's talking eighty to one hundred years of certainty when

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<v Speaker 5>it comes to our power prices and our reliability of

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<v Speaker 5>our electricity. And frankly, given everything that's happening in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>this is a national security task and it's not unreasonable

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<v Speaker 5>that provincial leaders people in states take a little while

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<v Speaker 5>to understand the broader world. Dutton's showing them the way.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure they'll be on board. Don't you worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>That you are being very generous and gentle with the

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland opposition leader. I think it's absolutely disgraceful and weak

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<v Speaker 2>for him not to just be on the same page

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<v Speaker 2>as the federal Party and have a clear understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>where this country is headed. And it's not any better

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<v Speaker 2>down here in Victoria because the opposition leader here, John Pursuto,

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<v Speaker 2>also weak, directionless and really isn't clear on where he

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<v Speaker 2>stands in this area. Now tell you, Gary, I am

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<v Speaker 2>liking the sound of Quantus under this new regime We've

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<v Speaker 2>had the incoming chairman, John Mullen say corporates should not

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<v Speaker 2>get involved in political agendas. The current chair Goydas, backed

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Joyce's political activism all the way and talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the form of CEO. Alan Joyce he may not receive

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<v Speaker 2>his sixteen million dollar bonus, as the airline brings in

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<v Speaker 2>a high profile consultancy chief to help decide whether a

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<v Speaker 2>series of blunders mean this big bonus will be void.

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<v Speaker 2>If it is granted, it means that Alan Joyce would

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<v Speaker 2>have earned one hundred and seventy million dollars from Quantas

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<v Speaker 2>over fifteen years. This could be a new Quantus that

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<v Speaker 2>we are we see emerging.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I am a unabas big fan of Quotas. I

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<v Speaker 5>want Quotas to be the success it's been for one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred years, safe airline, safest airline in the world and

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<v Speaker 5>its actually the second oldest continuous airline in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>and for good reason. And Alan Joyce has gone. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 5>the short, medium, long term incentives that are built in

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<v Speaker 5>the corporate Australia means that if you perform well, you'll

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<v Speaker 5>get something after you've gone. Let's just see what this

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<v Speaker 5>management consultant comes up with. But I think there's plenty

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<v Speaker 5>of grief that Joyce has rightly got to be put

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<v Speaker 5>through because frankly, as someone who buys a ticket on

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<v Speaker 5>an aeroplane, I want to make sure that not much

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<v Speaker 5>of my money is going to pay for bonuses to

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<v Speaker 5>a bloke who actually caused more grief for a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people, a lot of people who lost jobs, a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of people who were dismayed by the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>ghost flights existed. All these things they're all on the table,

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<v Speaker 5>and rightly so, so well done to mister Mullins. This

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<v Speaker 5>is a new quantus and I hope it's an even

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<v Speaker 5>better quantus because it's reputation solid, and if the reputation

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<v Speaker 5>has been in the slightest bit damaged or tarnish, now's

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<v Speaker 5>their opportunity to say so and deal with it Rita.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll watch with interest.

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<v Speaker 3>And as someone who flies Quantus regularly, I would like

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<v Speaker 3>to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Being welcomed to my own country and have all these

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<v Speaker 2>exactly acknowledgment of country announcements that they.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't sign up for. That Just get me there

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<v Speaker 3>on time, give me a snack, and we're all happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Take on now, absolutely, let's talk about this Robert Irwin

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<v Speaker 2>Pauline hansoon clash. Neither one is backing down after the

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<v Speaker 2>TV star threatened legal action after being featured in the

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<v Speaker 2>latest satirical cartoon series Please Explain, produced by the One

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<v Speaker 2>Nation team.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have a look at it.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, no blue racial division.

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<v Speaker 8>But don't worry about that, because we've got some of

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<v Speaker 8>the funnest theme parks right here in the state of

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<v Speaker 8>Queen's Land.

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<v Speaker 7>Check this here, Oh, this must be the line for

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<v Speaker 7>Warner Brothers movie. Will Now, this is a rental inspection

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<v Speaker 7>for a one veteran Rockhampton More mistake Blue, Wait you

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<v Speaker 7>see the great barrier reef all this beautiful, pristine rainforest

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<v Speaker 7>here in Columbon.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, some people think they're yeshores.

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<v Speaker 7>But I think they're pretty cool. I Blue, Oh, crok,

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<v Speaker 7>Look over there, that's a castle. Wearies and a wedge

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<v Speaker 7>told Eagle, Hey, don't worry about that habitat being destroyed. Blue,

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<v Speaker 7>We've got so much more to see here in the

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<v Speaker 7>state of Queen's Land.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's jump in the land cruiser.

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<v Speaker 7>Or no blueing juvenile delinquents s they've knocked off the

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<v Speaker 7>land cruiser.

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<v Speaker 10>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Owen's lawyer says the cartoon defames Robert with unauthorized

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<v Speaker 2>and deceptive use of his image. It's a political satire.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a cartoon and it's pretty funny if you ask me.

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<v Speaker 2>Pauline Hansen says Robert should lighten up and have a

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<v Speaker 2>good laugh. And now there's this video that has emerged.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't too long ago when Robert was saying pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much the same thing as Pauline saying.

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<v Speaker 11>It's being able to laugh at yourself as well, it's

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<v Speaker 11>being able to go. You know, that's the fluff, that's

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<v Speaker 11>the opinionated stuff. People will always have their point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Peter Ford for unearthing that interview from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, Gary, how.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see this dispute? Give us your verdict in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seconds?

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<v Speaker 5>I laugh at myself often Robert Owen should do that.

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<v Speaker 5>Is only a young bloke, and I guess that now

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<v Speaker 5>that he's been fronting the Queensland government out, I guess

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<v Speaker 5>he's got to be good to his corporate sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a storm and a teacup.

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<v Speaker 5>But boy, about five million people have watched the clip

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<v Speaker 5>because of his anger about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well done, Robert, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the striisand effect in full force. Gary Hardgrave, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for your time this evening. Joining me now is

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<v Speaker 2>academic and author Ralph Scholhammer, also columnist at the Brussels Signal. Ralph,

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<v Speaker 2>the president of France's National Rally Party, which is soaring

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<v Speaker 2>in the polls, has slammed the comments of star soccer

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<v Speaker 2>player Killian Buppe, who has urged voters not to back

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<v Speaker 2>what he calls far right parties in the snap parliamentary

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<v Speaker 2>elections called by Emmanuel mccron. He is one of more

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<v Speaker 2>than two hundred French athletes and celebrities who have signed

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<v Speaker 2>an open letter telling voters to reject the far right.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Bardella has said, I'm a little embarrassed to say

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<v Speaker 2>these athletes give lessons to people you can no longer

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<v Speaker 2>make ends made, who no longer feel safe, who do

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<v Speaker 2>not have the chance to live in the neighborhoods overprotected

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<v Speaker 2>by security agents. What do you make of this intervention

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<v Speaker 2>by a soccer superstar and all those other celebrities. Will

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<v Speaker 2>it have any sort of an impact on the French public?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, you put me in a very uncomfortable position here

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<v Speaker 12>because the Austrian team lost against the Pace team just

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<v Speaker 12>a couple of hours ago.

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<v Speaker 9>So who Clearly I am.

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<v Speaker 12>Biased against the French soccer players, regardless of what they say.

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<v Speaker 9>No, but I think you're absolutely right in analysis.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, I take it like the Romans, Like the

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<v Speaker 12>Romans didn't care about the political views of their actors

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<v Speaker 12>and decladiators, and basically celebrities and athletes are modern day

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<v Speaker 12>actress and gladiators, and we shouldn't care too much about

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<v Speaker 12>what they say. The national rally at the European Parliamentary elections,

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<v Speaker 12>they want ninety three of a ninety three percent of

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<v Speaker 12>all the electoral district in France, and that tells you

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<v Speaker 12>where the French public stands, with the exception of Paris.

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<v Speaker 12>Basically they are the ruling the land already. When it

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<v Speaker 12>comes to two poles as well, we'll see if they

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<v Speaker 12>can pull the same thing off on June third and

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<v Speaker 12>July seventh with de parliamentary elections.

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<v Speaker 9>But it doesn't matter to people anymore. Most people are

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<v Speaker 9>annoyed by this.

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<v Speaker 12>I think people can distinguish between I like soccer and

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<v Speaker 12>I like to make ends made, and these things very

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<v Speaker 12>often do not overlap.

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<v Speaker 9>We see it, by the way, also in the United States,

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<v Speaker 9>people still like Hollywood actors.

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<v Speaker 12>But when Joe Biden mingles with these celebrities and gets

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<v Speaker 12>the endorsement of Julia Roberts, George Clooney, and Robert de Niro,

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<v Speaker 12>nobody sits at home and says, oh my god. Robert

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<v Speaker 12>de Niro says, I have to vote for Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 12>I immediately change all my opinions. This is an illusion

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<v Speaker 12>that many politicians have because they are very often caught

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<v Speaker 12>in their own kind of you know, celebrity obsession that

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<v Speaker 12>most people don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw it right here in Australia with the Voice referendum,

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<v Speaker 2>where we had the awarding stars, the celebrities, all the

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<v Speaker 2>big corporates, all of them backing the Yes side, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was trunced quite comprehensively in the national vote. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of France's national rally party, Marine Lipen, is

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<v Speaker 2>being credited as the force behind the once fringe party

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<v Speaker 2>now standing on the brink of power after they made

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<v Speaker 2>enormous gains in the EU elections. President Emmanuel Macron was

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<v Speaker 2>spooked into calling a snap election. Was that a massive

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<v Speaker 2>miscalculation on his part?

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<v Speaker 3>Ralph?

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, I think so, And if you look at Macross's

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<v Speaker 12>career so far, I think he has calculated quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 9>Over the last seven years that he's been in office.

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<v Speaker 12>There's this weird idea that are headlines in the Economist

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<v Speaker 12>at the Financial time. So this is a four D

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<v Speaker 12>chess move by Macron and another brilliant strategy by MacRath.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, I just want to remind everyone Macross started

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<v Speaker 12>as a popular politician and is now a very unpopular politician.

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<v Speaker 12>So I don't really get where all he's supposed a

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<v Speaker 12>brilliant moves are coming from. This is again a delusion

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<v Speaker 12>that the media continues to tell us. It's a little

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<v Speaker 12>bit like with Joe Biden when they say sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 12>he seems frail and out of it in public, but

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<v Speaker 12>behind closed doors he's like sharp and super smart.

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<v Speaker 9>No, but Crow is exactly how you see him.

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<v Speaker 12>He's a again, he's not, let's put it this way,

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<v Speaker 12>he knows how to present himself like Visually he's very appealing,

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<v Speaker 12>but as a politician, I would say he's kind of moved.

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<v Speaker 9>From one blunder to the next.

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<v Speaker 12>None of his reform projects, from the pension to the

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<v Speaker 12>Ukraine policy, he was capable of taking the French people

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<v Speaker 12>with him and that's one.

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<v Speaker 9>Of the most important things.

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<v Speaker 12>And Lepen for her part, like Milonia, I have to admit,

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<v Speaker 12>the face of the European right, or the competent European right,

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<v Speaker 12>seems to be female. I'm deeply impressed both with the

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<v Speaker 12>way in which he changed the National rally, which once

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<v Speaker 12>was upon arsenal of her father, who was in many

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<v Speaker 12>ways in the U Nazi.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that's not an exaggeration.

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<v Speaker 12>She really made it, on the one hand, a respectable party,

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<v Speaker 12>but I think she's still stuck to the issues that

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<v Speaker 12>are important for the people and that make it the

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<v Speaker 12>right wing party, Like on immigration, and we see the

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<v Speaker 12>same in Italy with Maloney. I mean, just as a reminder, right,

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<v Speaker 12>remember when Maloney was ported into office. She's a fascist

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<v Speaker 12>and she will lead Italy over a cliff. And you

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<v Speaker 12>know what's going to happen that the cast catastrophe is

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<v Speaker 12>upon us. And now remember just a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 12>a few days actually ago, the G seven meeting, I mean,

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<v Speaker 12>the G seven meeting basically was like an episode out

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<v Speaker 12>of The Walking Dead, with one exception, which was Georgia

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<v Speaker 12>Maloney McCraw on on his last legs right, justin Trudeau,

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<v Speaker 12>but with Joe Biden, manam. It's not just metaphorically, it's

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<v Speaker 12>almost literally the Walking Dead. And pretty much every politician,

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<v Speaker 12>with the exception of Maloney, is deeply unpopular in their

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<v Speaker 12>own country except her.

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<v Speaker 9>Of all the European politicians that.

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<v Speaker 12>Actually won during the European elections, Maloney was the only

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<v Speaker 12>incumbent who could gain votes and was not an opposition party.

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<v Speaker 9>She's doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 12>I know she's often criticized from the right that she's

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<v Speaker 12>not moving fast enough and far enough, but I think

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<v Speaker 12>she's playing a long game.

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<v Speaker 9>Just lupendit.

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<v Speaker 12>I think they are doing something that's very rude, and

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<v Speaker 12>I wish them all the best.

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<v Speaker 2>And you were one hundred percent right about the way

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<v Speaker 2>the media misrepresented her when she first came to power.

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<v Speaker 3>She was called a fascist, far right.

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<v Speaker 2>A danger to democracy, so much hyperbole around her election,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has emerged, as you've explained, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>strongest and most popular leaders now. And I was also

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<v Speaker 2>interested in how she greeted the different world leaders. She's

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<v Speaker 2>not shy about expressing how she feels about them, whether

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<v Speaker 2>she likes them, like if it's the Argentinian leader, Harve Milay,

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<v Speaker 2>she's obviously a fan the Indian leader. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>she was seeing some of the politicians she wasn't fond of,

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<v Speaker 2>she could not hide her disdain.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly Maloney is not.

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<v Speaker 2>An enormous fan of Brazil there as you can see.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think she saved her greatest sustain for Emmanuel mccron.

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<v Speaker 3>She has had ongoing issues with him, but she's going

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<v Speaker 3>to have the.

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<v Speaker 2>Final laugh, Ralph, because mccron is in all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>trouble as many leaders she greeted during the j seven,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's likely to be there for some time, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope so.

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<v Speaker 9>And one is to say, right, this is Italy.

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<v Speaker 12>Italy has been a notoriously difficult country to govern, and

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<v Speaker 12>they never or barely ever had a government making it

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<v Speaker 12>through the entire legislative period without having it it crumble

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<v Speaker 12>or collapse. And she's doing a fantastic job. Right She's

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<v Speaker 12>in a coalition government. So this is always what I

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<v Speaker 12>tell the critics of her is do you think she's

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<v Speaker 12>kind of She's not like the American president like she

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<v Speaker 12>has to keep a coalition together and to govern. So

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<v Speaker 12>this is very difficult unless you correctly pointed out. She

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<v Speaker 12>distinguishes I think very well on the global stage which

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<v Speaker 12>world leaders are pro Western and which leaders are not,

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<v Speaker 12>which is why she gets along well with me Lee,

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<v Speaker 12>and which is why she's critical Lula for example.

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<v Speaker 9>And the absurdity that.

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<v Speaker 12>We have in Western politics, right, well, we admire somebody

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<v Speaker 12>like Lula who is absolutely ampty Western in his outlook,

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<v Speaker 12>but we criticize somebody like Milae who wants to be

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<v Speaker 12>a pro Western politician.

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<v Speaker 9>It's completely absurd.

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<v Speaker 12>So this kind of self hates that we see in

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<v Speaker 12>Western societies as well, for example with the pro Palestine demonstrations,

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<v Speaker 12>also has infected higher politics.

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<v Speaker 9>That is a major issue, and I think she understands it.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that Lepen understands it in a way that.

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<v Speaker 12>Macau or Suna simply do not grasp what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, going back to France, there was a march against

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<v Speaker 2>the far right, as a left call it. It took

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<v Speaker 2>place in Paris over the way Ken, but it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to be more like a march against France, against the

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<v Speaker 2>Western civilization. There wasn't too many French flags, I can say, there,

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<v Speaker 2>but plenty of Palestinian flags, kafirs and science calling for

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<v Speaker 2>Intafada ralph this was like a commercial for the national rally.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'd be quite happy to see this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of footage going around the world.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 12>And I think that ultimately this could also help her

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<v Speaker 12>because there is a growing impression also. I believe in

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<v Speaker 12>the United States and I think also partially in Australia

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<v Speaker 12>that the left tends to be for everything that's not

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<v Speaker 12>the West.

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<v Speaker 9>It doesn't matter what the idea is.

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<v Speaker 12>And I think you see this if you take a

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<v Speaker 12>close loot right it's green policies are anti civilizational policies.

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<v Speaker 9>You see the pro Palestinian.

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<v Speaker 12>Stance and anti Israel stands is basically an anti West

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<v Speaker 12>and anti civilizational stance, and you see this in all

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<v Speaker 12>these areas.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think that gradually people are waking up to this.

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<v Speaker 12>Originally they really thought that the left is concerned with

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<v Speaker 12>the cause right, the environment, the plight of the Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, the plight of migrants.

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<v Speaker 9>But the closer look, these are just projections.

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<v Speaker 12>What they're really interested is is to always take the

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<v Speaker 12>position that whatever is against the West is the site

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<v Speaker 12>they are with. And the argument, of course, as many

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<v Speaker 12>have explained on your explained on your show, that the

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<v Speaker 12>essence of vokeness right, it's always the oppressor versus the oppressed,

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<v Speaker 12>and there is not a single scenario in which the

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<v Speaker 12>West is not the oppressor. So whoever is on the

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<v Speaker 12>other side, even if it's Hamas right, they.

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<v Speaker 9>Must be the good guys.

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<v Speaker 12>And I mean, first of all, I think it's wrong,

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<v Speaker 12>and I'm glad to see that more and more people

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<v Speaker 12>wake up to this. And I just fear, there's all

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<v Speaker 12>of the biggest fear that once again the media will

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<v Speaker 12>accomplish two blackmail people not voting into parties that take

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<v Speaker 12>a pro Western stance. This is the only fear I

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<v Speaker 12>have because as you correctly pointed out, originally right, and

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<v Speaker 12>they're already jumping in this hyper gear. Also in the

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<v Speaker 12>United States, also in Australia. It's the far right, it's

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 12>the radical right, it's the extreme right. But if you

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<v Speaker 12>look at their positions, their positions are the same positions

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<v Speaker 12>that are common sense person you know is having today

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<v Speaker 12>or would have had.

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<v Speaker 9>Thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, the basically sounds like the goal Faraj pretty

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<v Speaker 12>much sounds like like in the well he talks differently about.

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<v Speaker 9>His positions are basically Churchill's positions. So none of this

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<v Speaker 9>is completely out of the extranory.

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<v Speaker 12>But we have moved the cultural and academic institutions so

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<v Speaker 12>far to the left that everything for them seems to

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<v Speaker 12>be the far right, and the media, unfortunately is part

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 12>of that of the viewpoint. So they think that everybody

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 12>who's just slightly right off the Greens must be a

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<v Speaker 12>radical right winger, and it's very, very difficult to fight

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<v Speaker 12>against this.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, it's the media. It's a big part of

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the problem. And also that institutional power that has been

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>corrupted by the left, and it started in academia, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone much dafer than that. Ralph Sholhanna, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for your time this.

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<v Speaker 9>Evening, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>And coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, Letty's Losing It and Jerry Snfel's latest show.

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<v Speaker 3>Interrupted by protesters yet again. What did he say to them?

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<v Speaker 3>I'll have that next.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back. Now it's time for lefties losing it. And

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't just President Joe Barden embarrassing himself at a

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 2>big LA fundraiser with the Hollywood elite. The talent on

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the night also tainted their good names, including funny man

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Black, who seems to have lost his mojo. Get

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<v Speaker 2>ready to cringe, folks.

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<v Speaker 13>But my president needs me, thank you. And then they

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 13>hit me with the big one. They said, Jack, you

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<v Speaker 13>can't go. You have nothing to wear.

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 10>Your good suit is in the cleaners.

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<v Speaker 13>Well were they wrong? Because I had this to wear,

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<v Speaker 13>my kick ass American flag overalls, most patriotic outfit of

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<v Speaker 13>all times. Not shut him up. There wasn't much they

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<v Speaker 13>could say after that. And when the president wins in November,

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 13>I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a sweet shout

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<v Speaker 13>out in his victory speech for what I gave up

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<v Speaker 13>to be here, Because when democracy is at stake, Jack

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<v Speaker 13>Black answers the.

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<v Speaker 3>Call, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm embarrassed for him too, and I want to make

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 2>it clear that was the best he had that night.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the highlight of his routine.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the bit that Jack Black himself promoted on

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<v Speaker 3>social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Goodness may now some breaking news from Joy read considered

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 2>by many the looniest of lefties at MSNBC, and that

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>is no small fate.

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<v Speaker 3>Here is Joy discovering.

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<v Speaker 2>That summer is actually hot. Next you'll tell me water

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<v Speaker 2>is wet.

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<v Speaker 4>Of climate collapse and the greed that is literally letting

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 4>our country burn. Today, millions of Americans from Iowa to

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<v Speaker 4>Maine are suffering through heat warnings, watches, or advisories. Cities

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<v Speaker 4>across half of the country, like Chicago, Saint Louis and Indianapolis, Detroit, Philly,

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 4>and now New York are hitting temperatures exceeding ninety degrees fahrenheit,

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 4>though it feels closer to one hundred. Many of these

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 4>cities could experience heat indexes hitting one hundred and five

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<v Speaker 4>degrees by Sunday. These increasingly oppressive hot days aren't a coincidence.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 4>They aren't They are the predictable impact of a climate crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're not just an inconvenience, they're also killing us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literally summer tomorrow in America ninety degrees fahrenheit. That's

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two degrees celsius for everywhere else in the world.

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 2>That's delightful weather. I don't know how that's deadly or

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<v Speaker 2>an inconvenience.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a grip.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy From one unhinged joy to another, let's hear from

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the views. Joy Beja talking with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow at

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<v Speaker 2>they both share this fever dream about Trump coming to

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<v Speaker 2>get them.

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<v Speaker 14>So you said recently that you thought that you, as

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<v Speaker 14>an outspoken critic, could be a target yourself. Some people

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 14>think that sounds over dramatic, but I'm right there with you.

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<v Speaker 14>I think that he is so vindictive that he will

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<v Speaker 14>go after however he has to do the irs maybe

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 14>or even I mean through sponsors, to get us off

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 14>the air. Maybe you are you how seriously should we

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<v Speaker 14>be taking that?

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<v Speaker 3>Look?

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<v Speaker 2>If Trump can promise that, if elected, he will remove

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Rachel Matter and Joey Beha from the airwaves, then he.

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 3>May justus win every state.

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, let's have a good laugh with this card dealer

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>from Louisiana who has saved his business via social media.

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 2>How well he mocks fame seeking social media, influences online

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>and manages to sell cars. Let's have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>how Doug Townsend does it.

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<v Speaker 12>I really don't.

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<v Speaker 9>It's gotten into me recently. Not nutrition.

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<v Speaker 15>Hey we got a twenty four Willies just came in Comala.

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<v Speaker 1>Real so nice wing.

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<v Speaker 12>In on.

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<v Speaker 15>Bro grinder is rocket these days?

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<v Speaker 3>Look you on the nine anyway?

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<v Speaker 15>Hey we got a twenty five ram fifteen hundred sst

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 15>can't get it?

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to know who I date, who I

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 3>go with?

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<v Speaker 15>Nope, but I think you think you're black. Hey we

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 15>got a twenty five sst Ram truck. Come holla.

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 9>I want to sub me too.

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 10>I want to suck me too.

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<v Speaker 15>My baby Mama's Grandma's got a fast than you.

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<v Speaker 1>You should take that thing and just.

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<v Speaker 15>Go park it somewhere else. Hey, we got a twenty

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 15>four deep Gladiator.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, while don't Trump speaks about the senseless murder of

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<v Speaker 2>a mother of five by an illegal immigrant, what is

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<v Speaker 2>the Biden administration borders? Ur Kamala Harris up to.

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<v Speaker 16>Talk?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Vice President is busy welcoming the cast of

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>Queeri to the White House. Meanwhile, the border crisis continues,

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>got illegal immigrants committing unspeakable crimes. We've got more than

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>two million a year crossing the southern border illegally. Joining

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<v Speaker 2>me now is a journalist and filmmaker, Army Horoiz.

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<v Speaker 3>Army.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not just talking about isolated cases here. I know

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>there's some cases that receive a great deal of media coverage,

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<v Speaker 2>But in twenty twenty three alone, there were seventy three

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>thousand non citizens arrested for crimes. Now, of course, not

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 2>all of them are illegal immigrants, but when you've had

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>more than seven million cross illegally during Biden's term, you'd

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>expect the borders are to be a little bit more

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>focused on her job. But this is something that she

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<v Speaker 2>was charged with some time ago. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>how many times she's been down to that southern border.

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<v Speaker 10>Look there, Bikeen is so bad at this.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean again, this is the number one issue in

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<v Speaker 8>the country, one or two based on polling, and they

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<v Speaker 8>are completely failing on this. Look, this whole idea that

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 8>they're trying to shift the blame to Republicans is total insanity.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 10>His dog won't hunt.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, for three years, they did nothing and then in

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<v Speaker 8>the fourth year and they realize they're down the polls.

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<v Speaker 8>All of a sudden, he found the ability to do

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<v Speaker 8>the executive order. All of a sudden, he said, heyts

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<v Speaker 8>negotiate dealer Republicans. Nobody believes that.

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<v Speaker 10>Now. Of course, if it was jet look the thing

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<v Speaker 10>that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 8>He's like, I don't need to care about the border,

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<v Speaker 8>but just for self preservation. Look this whole think about

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<v Speaker 8>the the the people across the border. Ten people from

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<v Speaker 8>Tajikistan who were trying to commit terrorist attacks. Three of

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 8>them came through ports of entry. And they said, but hey,

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<v Speaker 8>but they were vetted. You mean you were lying on

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 8>records from tie Jikie's stand. That's how this thing works.

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 8>That's how you're saying, we're going to vet these people

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<v Speaker 8>coming through. I mean, it is unbelievable. Could you imagine

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<v Speaker 8>what would happen if they actually committed a terrorist attack?

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<v Speaker 8>This election would be over just based on that. I know,

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<v Speaker 8>it doesn't care about the border, the protection of Americans.

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<v Speaker 8>Based on that, dude, you got to stop these guys

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<v Speaker 8>from coming in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it's not a priority. Quite clearly. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to ask you about Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>And its reaction to the ongoing Israeli Hamas war. Actor

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<v Speaker 2>John Cusack is the latest Hollywood star to pedal October

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<v Speaker 2>seven conspiracy theories. I don't know what else we can

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>call this is is tweeting and retweeting all sorts of

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>anti Israeli nonsense, including this from an activist who says

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Israel killed many, if not most, of its own people

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>on October seven.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you say to that army?

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<v Speaker 8>This is a particularly sad story for me, Riader, because

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<v Speaker 8>John Cusack was a fixture of my childhood and it's

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 8>sad to see how this guy has degraded himself, not

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 8>just on Israel, but he's a crazy leftist across the board.

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<v Speaker 8>Now look, yeah, because I did show prep for you

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 8>mita right, So I actually went on the Internet and

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 8>looked up John Cuzzack for the News, and the number

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 8>one article by John Cusack was out. He didn't get

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 8>what he wanted in the movie High Fidelity. The problem is,

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<v Speaker 8>first of all, exemplifies a couple of problems. One is

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 8>a problem with the left when it comes to Israel. Right,

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 8>he's a man in the left. He said he won't

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<v Speaker 8>talk to anybody in his family who are supports of Trump,

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 8>and this is what you get on the hard left,

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 8>this anti Israel and frankly and Semitic conspiracy theories. But

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 8>the bigger problem is that they're not covering this. This

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 8>is not being covered by the mainstream media or pretty

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 8>much anybody else. That's the major issue. This guy has

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 8>a record, It's not one thing. This is a guy

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<v Speaker 8>who has reposted the Hamas is created by Israel, that

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 8>there were no rapes that happened on October seventh. This

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 8>is the guy who's posted it was committing genocide. He

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 8>reposted somebody tweeting how Ziona should all be killed. This

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 8>guy is a crazy person that's not covered, but it

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.919
<v Speaker 8>was covered today with the fact tried to describe why

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 8>he didn't rejoin Hot Tub time Machine number two.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the way in Hollywood, amongst the celebrity class,

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>sporting stars, everybody, if they say something that's even slightly

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 2>right of center, even if it's very much a mainstream opinion,

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 2>like what JK. Rowling has said on trans issues, that

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>are absolutely.

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Slandered by the media.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>There's one hundred news articles and columns about how terrible

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:45.919
<v Speaker 2>they are.

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 3>But you can say any far left French.

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:54.919
<v Speaker 2>Dwelling comment and the media just look the other way.

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 3>It really is.

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:57.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because many of them agree with those

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>points of view, but that is an issue, and I

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 2>think that's why a lot of celebrities, Yeah, a lot

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 2>of celebrities who don't feel that way just keep their

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 2>mouths shut. Now we've got a big celebrity in Australia

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 2>right now, Jerry Seinfeld is playing his shows across the country.

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 3>I've played footage.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier in the week of the way he mocked an

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 2>anti Israeli protester who disrupted a Sydney show, and it

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>happened again. Pro Palestinian protesters again disrupted the Jewish Comics

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>another show in Sydney, and again Jerry mocked them. But

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>this time I've got to say he was a little

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 2>bit more gentle.

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:37.839
<v Speaker 3>Let's have a look.

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<v Speaker 9>You're getting them on your side, can you hear it?

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 12>Good?

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:51.879
<v Speaker 10>Yes, there's the police. You have.

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Feelings that you don't know where to stay them.

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 9>Think that ruining the night? It doesn't affect me. All

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<v Speaker 9>these people, you're ruining their nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ami, why do you think that targeting Jerry Seinfeld?

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder what that could be.

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<v Speaker 10>Hm.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me try and figure this out. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 8>because he's Jewish? Could that be it?

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<v Speaker 10>He's a Jew?

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<v Speaker 12>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>Actually I like the fact that Zeienfeld doesn't let this go.

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<v Speaker 8>He actually does go ahead and roast the protesters. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>the protester was chanting from the river to the sea,

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<v Speaker 8>and you know, he commented, Hey, you just solved the

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<v Speaker 8>Middle Eastern problem, and I think I liked he Also

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<v Speaker 8>he was able to curate his roasting based on the

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<v Speaker 8>fact that you guys in Australia, and he said, why

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<v Speaker 8>don't you guys figure out your aboriginal problem first before

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<v Speaker 8>you try to attack Israel.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I love that he went on the attack.

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<v Speaker 8>But I think the funniest part of the whole thing

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<v Speaker 8>but the protester waited until the show was just about

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<v Speaker 8>done before he disrupted it, so we could watch Jerry

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<v Speaker 8>Seinfeld before he was thrown out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the cost of the tickets are not small, hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars per ticket, so I guess if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to buy a ticket just to protest, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch the show. But yeah, that was the one earlier

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<v Speaker 2>in the week. But this has happened again last night's show,

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<v Speaker 2>and again this time he roasted them, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was a little bit more gentle than the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>But the crowds certainly gave it to the protesters. They

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<v Speaker 2>got roundly booed and escorted out very quickly by police.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I want to ask you about Wikipedia before you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 2>is not an unbiased platform. It often is not reliable

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<v Speaker 2>or objective source of information, and that is also the

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<v Speaker 2>case when it comes to Israel. Investigative journalist Aaron Bandler

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<v Speaker 2>has written a piece about the seven tactics Wikipedia editors

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<v Speaker 2>have used to spread anti Israel biased since October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>including adding anti imperialism into her master's list of ideologies

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<v Speaker 2>and removing anti Semitism. There's anti zionism they're but not

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism. But this is a worry army because for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people they trust Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 3>It's seen as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbiased source of information, but often there is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of activism at work there.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and that's deliberate obviously, the anti imperialism and removing

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<v Speaker 8>any semitism. The antiperalism is because they're trying to actually

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<v Speaker 8>lionize Hamas the left I mean this is this is.

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<v Speaker 8>Wikipedia is also relied on hamas one numbers for Hami

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<v Speaker 8>civilians were kilter obviously debunked that we and we all

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<v Speaker 8>knew that they were not their own lives. They they

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<v Speaker 8>didn't include October seventh as a list of major Islamic

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<v Speaker 8>terrorist attacks, even though it was one of the largest

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<v Speaker 8>Limic terrorist attacks. No, the Wikipedia problem reader is actually

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<v Speaker 8>one of the biggest problems we have in our country.

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<v Speaker 8>I know that sounds crazy, but you have to understand.

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<v Speaker 8>Wikipedia is the first thing people go to, including myself,

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<v Speaker 8>knowing that it's biased to get information on something. If

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<v Speaker 8>you're looking up almost anything, It's on the top of

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<v Speaker 8>the Google search list. Look, it is a found of

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<v Speaker 8>all informations, the modern day library of Alexandria. And it

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<v Speaker 8>is incredibly biased to the left. And we know, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I like to make things all about me and to

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<v Speaker 8>give you example of that, look when they list Michael Moore,

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<v Speaker 8>they list him as an American filmmaker, they list me,

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<v Speaker 8>They listen to me as right wing filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not even a I'm not a right wing person.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm a very moderate person.

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<v Speaker 8>I can go on nods about righting Wikipedia on my paage.

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<v Speaker 8>So yeah, it's it is a significant problem that we

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<v Speaker 8>have with information in our country and I don't know

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<v Speaker 8>how it gets fixed.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I would I argue you Google is a bigger

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<v Speaker 2>problem than Wikipedia because Google has got a virtual monopoly.

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 2>It's how people find that information, whether they wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>find a business or get an explanation on something or

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<v Speaker 2>learn how to do something.

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<v Speaker 3>You google it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a verb, and Google itself has got biases in

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<v Speaker 2>its algorithms. Horowitz, always a pleasure, Thanks for your time

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<v Speaker 2>this evening coming up next? Is this the final chapter

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<v Speaker 2>for Lea Thomas. Stephanie Bastian joins me next, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is research fellow for the Women's Forum Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie Bastian.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephanie.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start In Tasmania, the Health Minister there, Gay Barnett,

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<v Speaker 2>is urging the federal government to hold a national review

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<v Speaker 2>into public medical services for children with gender dysphoria after

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<v Speaker 2>the UK's cast review found the science behind the services

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<v Speaker 2>was severely lacking. He said a national review would allow

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<v Speaker 2>consideration of all available evidence from across the country to

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<v Speaker 2>ensure these services are best practice evidence based and that patience,

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<v Speaker 2>safety and well being is paramount. Now, what are the

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<v Speaker 2>chances that we will see a national review?

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<v Speaker 16>Good evening, reader, and thank you for having me on tonight.

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<v Speaker 16>I think at the moment it's very slim. Mark Butler,

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<v Speaker 16>our Health Minister, seems to have his head in the sand.

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<v Speaker 16>But I commend the Liberal Health Minister in Tasmania for

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<v Speaker 16>coming out. They're the first party of government at a

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<v Speaker 16>state level to acknowledge the findings of the CAST review,

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<v Speaker 16>following on from Opposition leader Libby met him in Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 16>The Coalition in Tasmania have conversion therapy laws on their

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<v Speaker 16>table that include gender identity. Obviously, we know that gender

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<v Speaker 16>identity is synonymous with gender dysphoria shouldn't be included in

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<v Speaker 16>any form of conversion therapy laws. So I actually think

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<v Speaker 16>it's probably in the Tasmanian government's best interest to try

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<v Speaker 16>and hold a state inquiry before they passed those laws. Now,

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<v Speaker 16>I recognize that they are in a minority government they

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<v Speaker 16>may need to work with the cross bench on this one. However,

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<v Speaker 16>I think it is really important that they do so

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<v Speaker 16>before moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, staying in Tasmania, Hobart City Council has apologized to

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<v Speaker 2>Counselor Louise Elliot after she lodged a complaint with the

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Discrimination Commissioner, alleging she was blocked from booking the

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<v Speaker 2>town Hall for a women's rights and free speech forum

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<v Speaker 2>back in September twenty twenty three. She claimed her request

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<v Speaker 2>was leaked to an activist group by the Lord Mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>The activists then led the City of Hobart's staff to

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<v Speaker 2>believe the event was anti trans and that prompted them

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<v Speaker 2>to block the booking. The Australian reveals several senior staff

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<v Speaker 2>have now left the council since that scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>Loise Elliot says she is pleased.

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<v Speaker 2>The discrimination complaint has been resolved, adding the depth of

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<v Speaker 2>the lying, scheming, gas lighting, privacy breaches and frustration of

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<v Speaker 2>legal avenues and processes has been astounding and she has

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<v Speaker 2>got email exchanges and all sorts of information that shows

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<v Speaker 2>how this entire affair was conducted.

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<v Speaker 16>Yes, well, congratulations to Luise Elliott. She's taken a strong

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<v Speaker 16>stance and she has paved the way for other women

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<v Speaker 16>to challenge the way that they're being treated on council.

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, what an absolute disgrace by the Hobart City Council.

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<v Speaker 16>They were found to have discriminated against her, they were lying,

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<v Speaker 16>they were cohorting with outside the Tasmanian Equal Opportunity Commissioner.

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<v Speaker 16>It is absolutely outrageous and they need a full and

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<v Speaker 16>thorough investigation. But this is actually happening everywhere. That's happening

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<v Speaker 16>in councils across in Victoria where women are being pushed

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<v Speaker 16>aside by activists who think they're above the law and

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<v Speaker 16>above the regulations, particularly in labour dominated councils in the

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<v Speaker 16>western suburbs. Time and time again, these counselors and these

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<v Speaker 16>councils working with the CEO are breaking the rules, breaking

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<v Speaker 16>the law, and they need to be held accountable. We've

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<v Speaker 16>got a clear cut example. I'm sure if we had

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<v Speaker 16>widespread investigations we would see this happening everywhere. So I

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<v Speaker 16>think it's time that we review the rules and make

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<v Speaker 16>sure that they can't be exploited in this way, but

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<v Speaker 16>also investigate to put an end to it, because it

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<v Speaker 16>is just so unfair on these women, these mums who

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<v Speaker 16>are putting their hand up to try and support their

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<v Speaker 16>local community.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do worry about how many women, how many

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<v Speaker 2>counselors who feel this way not speaking up because they've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the treatment that others have copped. And Louise has

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<v Speaker 2>been very brave and she's courageously fought this battle. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people would be cowed into silence, but

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<v Speaker 2>she won't be.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's talk about transgender swimmer Lea Thomas, biological male

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<v Speaker 2>identifying as female. He's lost his legal battle against the

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<v Speaker 2>World Aquatics for a spot in elite female swimming competitions

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<v Speaker 2>he was hoping to compete at the Paris Olympics later

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<v Speaker 2>this year. The twenty five year old is still barred

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<v Speaker 2>from swimming in elite female races, as the Court of

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<v Speaker 2>Arbitration for Sport held up the ban on anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>has undergone any part of male puberty from competing. Is

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<v Speaker 2>this the end of this issue, Stephanie, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>swimming is concerned and is going to have any impact

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<v Speaker 2>on other sporting codes.

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<v Speaker 16>I don't think it's quite the end of the road. Yet,

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<v Speaker 16>he got his case thrown out because he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 16>member of Swimming USA, so technically someone could join there

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<v Speaker 16>and then launch another challenge. However, World Aquatics. We're willing

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<v Speaker 16>to defend it based on the fact that they put

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<v Speaker 16>their guidelines together on the best expert medical and scientific

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<v Speaker 16>advice available. So I think the court still would have

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<v Speaker 16>made a finding against him. It still can be challenged, however,

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<v Speaker 16>I think also I support the call for him to

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<v Speaker 16>hand back his medals because this has been outrageous against

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<v Speaker 16>all the other female athletes. It is unfair that when

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<v Speaker 16>you have males competing and taking their spots, the whole

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<v Speaker 16>thing's a sham. So even if there are other challenges,

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<v Speaker 16>I think they'll be shot down fairly quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, a transgender teen athlete is complaining to local newspapers

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<v Speaker 2>that he was hurt that female runners that he beat

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<v Speaker 2>because he is a male identifying as a female at

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<v Speaker 2>a state track and field championship in Washington. While these

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<v Speaker 2>girls were apparently not forthcoming with congratulations, they weren't being

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<v Speaker 2>sufficiently supportive. Veronica Garcia told these Spokesman review I guess

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I expected sports ship because I was cheering the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of them on when they were called, so I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I expected it to get reciprocated, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, let's look at the winning time. Here.

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<v Speaker 2>Veronica's winning time of fifty five point seventy five seconds

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<v Speaker 2>in the women's four hundred meter was a full second

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<v Speaker 2>quicker than the second place skeetter. But had this athlete

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<v Speaker 2>been competing against the males, as I argue he should

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<v Speaker 2>have been, he wouldn't even managed sixteenth place. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that is how big the gap is, even at that

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<v Speaker 2>level for young athletes.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephanie, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it is so grossly unfair, because we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about places in a state team's national teams, Olympic spots,

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<v Speaker 2>but also at a lower level, scholarships and all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of other accolades that come with being great at sport.

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<v Speaker 16>This this is emotional manipulation. Reader. Can you imagine how those

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<v Speaker 16>female competitors are feeling as they watch him claim their titles.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm sorry, it is not good enough. Don't come into

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<v Speaker 16>women's sports and then be surprised when they're sitting there

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<v Speaker 16>looking at you taking their titles.

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<v Speaker 12>It's just not good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Stephanie Bastian, thank you so much for your time

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<v Speaker 2>this evening. That's it from me. Up next is Newsnight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you at eleven tomorrow