Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christinaming it.
Speaker 1: It's Thursday October nine, twenty twenty five. Three justices of
Speaker 1: the New South Wales Supreme Court will today hand down
Speaker 1: their decision on a bid by a pro Palestine group
Speaker 1: to demonstrate at the Sydney Opera House. The Palestine Action
Speaker 1: Group wants to assemble as many as ten thousand people
Speaker 1: at the Opera House on Sunday, but the New South
Speaker 1: Wales Police argued in court on Wednesday it's a public
Speaker 1: safety disaster waiting to happen. Taxpayers will bail out Glencore's
Speaker 1: Mount isaacopper smelter to the tune of six hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: but its Swiss bosses say it might still close before
Speaker 1: the end of next year. Those stories alive right now
Speaker 1: at the Australian dot Com dot a U. Chris Bowen
Speaker 1: is at war with a group of environmentalists who say
Speaker 1: Australia's renewables rollout is a mess. The Minister alleges this
Speaker 1: reading misinformation about the sheer space needed to realize the
Speaker 1: Albanese government's ambitious renewables plans, but he can't or won't
Speaker 1: explain the numbers coming out of his own department. Today
Speaker 1: we unpack the report and the response that's got everyone
Speaker 1: scratching their heads. At the end of last month, The
Speaker 1: Australian's Rural and Regional correspondent Matthew Denholm reported this.
Speaker 2: The stunning scale of Australia's renewables rollout can be revealed.
Speaker 2: One thousand projects costing one point three three trillion dollars,
Speaker 2: including twenty five thousand more wind towers with forty five
Speaker 2: thousand kilometers of associated roads, and two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million solar panels on four hundred and six thousand hectares.
Speaker 2: The figures Australia's first comprehensive glimpse of the true scale
Speaker 2: of the renewables revolution, have been compiled by conservationists and
Speaker 2: communities pushing for a better planned roll out.
Speaker 1: Based on mapping done by rainforest Reserves Australia, the space
Speaker 1: taken up by solar panels will need to increase from
Speaker 1: just under thirty thousand hectares to more than four hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty thousand to meet the Albanese government's renewables goals.
Speaker 1: In his reporting, matt explained it like this.
Speaker 2: Effectively equivalent to almost all of metropolitan Sydney, parts of
Speaker 2: the Lower Blue Mountains and beyond Richmond and Campbelltown.
Speaker 1: The same was done with wind turbines, this time using
Speaker 1: the city of Brisbane to demonstrate the scale. On the
Speaker 1: same day, Minister Chris Bowen posted this on social media.
Speaker 3: Some anti renewable pro nuclear activists have worked out how
Speaker 3: much land renewables will take and it's pretty confronting. Now
Speaker 3: take the area equivalent to Sydney's metropolitan zign. Now, if
Speaker 3: that was true, it would be around half of one
Speaker 3: percent of Australia's land mass. But guess what doesn't stack up?
Speaker 2: Wait? What so?
Speaker 4: Chris Bowen, in his social media video shows the data
Speaker 4: captured by The Australian and really he says, this is
Speaker 4: not something that stacks up. In his words, Sarah Eisen
Speaker 4: is a senior political reporter with The Australian. He says,
Speaker 4: in reality, they have drastically overestimated the amount of space
Speaker 4: we're going to need for these projects.
Speaker 3: The New South Wales Agricultural Commissioner has looked at how
Speaker 3: much land renewables will take based on the plans of
Speaker 3: the Australian energy market operator, the people who actually run
Speaker 3: the grit, and they found it's about four percent of
Speaker 3: what is in the newspaper today.
Speaker 1: So where did this twelve percent figure come from? Over
Speaker 1: the past few days, the Australian has tried to get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it.
Speaker 4: So The Australian asked Chris Bowen this exact question, because
Speaker 4: it wasn't clear from the social media video. Twelve percent
Speaker 4: is of very specific figure and what we were told was
Speaker 4: that this figure comes from the New South Wales Agricultural
Speaker 4: Commissioner's report, and we were sent that report. But what
Speaker 4: that report focuses on is only New South Wales coverage.
Speaker 4: A lot of the graphics, a lot of the charts
Speaker 4: and everything says this is how much land mass in
Speaker 4: New South Wales will be needed. Upon asking again how
Speaker 4: that twelve percent figure was landed on, we did receive
Speaker 4: an incredibly long response, but it didn't answer the question.
Speaker 4: We have been able to determine that of the eight
Speaker 4: hundred nine hundred odd projects that have been mapped, around
Speaker 4: six or so are not going ahead. They've been discontinued
Speaker 4: or paused, so there may be some merit in re
Speaker 4: looking at that, but it still leaves the question open
Speaker 4: of how the claim that what was represented by this
Speaker 4: group and reported on by the Australian that that is
Speaker 4: way overblown, that in fact, the reality is that the
Speaker 4: land use twelve percent of that reporting half a dozen
Speaker 4: projects that are paused at the moment or won't go ahead.
Speaker 4: That still doesn't reduce that land mass enough to give
Speaker 4: us the answer of how we got to that twelve
Speaker 4: percent figure that keeps being used. We also asked if
Speaker 4: in fact the Minister was confused by these two pieces
Speaker 4: of data, if he did in fact mean that he
Speaker 4: was referring to New South Wales specific data when our
Speaker 4: reporting was about national data and that's also what the
Speaker 4: mapping was showing. That wasn't responded to. We asked if
Speaker 4: any kind of apology or attraction was necessary. Instead, we
Speaker 4: heard that he was concerned about misinformation being spread by
Speaker 4: this group and the sorts of links that this group
Speaker 4: has to that nuclear anti renewable lobby or side of politics,
Speaker 4: so to speak.
Speaker 1: And here's the twist. Rainforest Reserves Australia has recently revised
Speaker 1: its two year renewal mapping report to expand the space.
Speaker 1: It says the government's renewables ambitions will require. The Conservation
Speaker 1: Group now estimates existing and planned renewables projects like wind
Speaker 1: and solar will cover more than four hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: three thousand hectares nationally. What has been Chris Bowen's response
Speaker 1: In the Department's response to that development.
Speaker 4: The response is that there is even more concern now
Speaker 4: that this data is very much publicly available. Now that
Speaker 4: they can see all of that data, they have even
Speaker 4: more concerns and believe they are even more flaws. We
Speaker 4: have asked what they are. We are yet to receive
Speaker 4: a response. It may still come. This is a very
Speaker 4: large data set that's taken over two years to compile,
Speaker 4: but it was something that in their perspective, only raised
Speaker 4: more concern rather than say, prompting an apology or a
Speaker 4: retraction about the original video from Crispawn.
Speaker 1: Rainforest Reserves Australia fired back at Bowen's claim their calculations
Speaker 1: were way off the mark. In a press release. They
Speaker 1: called the claim unsupported, vague, unclear, and appears to mix
Speaker 1: up the new South Wales only data with its national figures.
Speaker 1: They told The Australian they're standing by their mapping and
Speaker 1: have called on Chris Bowen to share his department's data
Speaker 1: with them for review.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of conservationists that are very positive
Speaker 4: about this work. Christine Milner comes to mind as someone
Speaker 4: who's saying we need to move away from colin gas,
Speaker 4: as this group says we do as well, But she's
Speaker 4: similarly concerned about this blind move towards large scale renewable
Speaker 4: projects that maybe we're not considering the damage they're doing
Speaker 4: because they're called renewable projects or clean energy projects, and
Speaker 4: the worry that that's going to get away from us.
Speaker 4: So you are hearing actually a fair bit of encouragement
Speaker 4: from progressives and progressive circles for sure when it comes
Speaker 4: to this kind of project.
Speaker 1: Coming up. What about the other half of Chris Bowen's claims.
Speaker 1: The mapping that informed the Australians reporting was done by
Speaker 1: Queensland conservationist Stephen Nowakowski. He says he's been arrested for
Speaker 1: his boots on the ground activism and ran for the
Speaker 1: Greens in Cans in the early two thousands. Sarah Chris
Speaker 1: Bowen said in the video posted to social media in
Speaker 1: response to The Australians reporting that Stephen Nolakowski and Rainforest
Speaker 1: Reserves Australia.
Speaker 3: Are anti renewable pro nuclear activists.
Speaker 1: Is Stephen Nolkowski or rainforest Reserves Australia either of those things,
Speaker 1: anti renewables or pro nuclear.
Speaker 4: Well, they're conservationists that are concerned about the rollout of
Speaker 4: large scale renewable projects that come, as they say, potentially
Speaker 4: at the costs of really rich ecological or agricultural land.
Speaker 4: And now, like many conservationists, they are saying we need
Speaker 4: to move away from coal and gas, there is no question,
Speaker 4: but it cannot be at the expense of biodiversity. So
Speaker 4: they're the sorts of people who are concerned about land
Speaker 4: being impacted in such a way that it causes more
Speaker 4: damage than relief when it comes to our push towards
Speaker 4: net zero. I think maybe pro nuclear is something you
Speaker 4: could argue. It was something that mister Nawakowski was quite
Speaker 4: clear and transparent about that, despite this being a hard
Speaker 4: thing to admit, he thought that maybe nuclear did need
Speaker 4: to be considered, that it needed to be in the mix.
Speaker 4: He's one of the few Australian conservationists that feel that way,
Speaker 4: and he has been quite upfront about how it is
Speaker 4: somewhat of a turnaround or a shock. However, I think
Speaker 4: to say anti renewable would be quite a stretch. He's
Speaker 4: a conservationist, is how he's described himself, wildlife photographer. It's
Speaker 4: incredibly concerned about the biodiversity of Australia and he's also
Speaker 4: raised plenty of concerns as well about coal and fossil
Speaker 4: fuel and the ongoing role that they have to play.
Speaker 4: But to say that he or this group are some
Speaker 4: kind of incredibly pronuculiar, staunchly anti renewable lobby and that
Speaker 4: is their agenda, I don't think quite represents the truth
Speaker 4: behind this particular organization.
Speaker 1: Sarah Eisen is a senior political reporter with The Australian.
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