WEBVTT - My husband Kevin | 9

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like being married to Kevin Correll?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it was a mixed mixed bag. You know, there

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<v Speaker 2>was many sides to Kevin, good side, bad side. Get

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<v Speaker 2>the emotional already. Sorry, it's just hard to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can take your time. That's stupid, It's not stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to be opening these wounds. You do want

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, I do, It's just really hard. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Hanson and this is episode nine of Dear Rochelle,

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast by True Crime as Australia. We're investigating the

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved murder of twenty three year old Rochelle Charles. At

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of Rochelle's inquest, there were nine persons of interest.

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<v Speaker 1>At the conclusion, only one man remained uncleared, Rochelle's boss,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Stephen Carell. In recent episodes, you've heard disturbing allegations

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<v Speaker 1>from women and men accusing Kevin of serious crimes, including stalking,

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<v Speaker 1>threatening violence, attempted sexual assault and rape. In the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin was acquitted of four separate sex assault changes. Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>also strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder and has

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<v Speaker 1>never been changed by police. At the conclusion of the

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<v Speaker 1>inquest into Rochelle's death, the coroner made an open finding.

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<v Speaker 1>You've heard a lot about Kevin's dark past. One thing

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<v Speaker 1>we've learned during this investigation is that you never know

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<v Speaker 1>who will find the courage to break their silence. Next.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Elise. That's not my real name. I

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<v Speaker 2>was married to Kevin Correll for thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is a little bit different. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>lease in me unpacking her life with Kevin Correll. She

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<v Speaker 1>left him four years before June two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>when Michelle was killed. Even with everything you've already heard,

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<v Speaker 1>Elisa's story is likely to shock you and a heads up.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode deals with some confronting topics, including allegations of

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<v Speaker 1>family violence. When did you first meet Kevin?

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been in Ah, my goodness, I was

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<v Speaker 2>still married to my first husband then when I first

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<v Speaker 2>met him because he was a DJ at the club

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<v Speaker 2>my first husband, I worked at the club and they

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<v Speaker 2>used have a go on a Thursday night and a

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night, and Kevin was one of the DJs. And

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<v Speaker 2>I actually knew his partner first. As in partner, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the guy that he worked with. I worked for

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<v Speaker 2>try to think of his name, Darryl. Darryl and I

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<v Speaker 2>met him first, and then Daryl introduced me to Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just everybody knew Kevin like he was

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<v Speaker 2>the DJ there, so everybody knew who he was. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the first time Kevin ever noticed me, I was

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<v Speaker 2>actually about seven months pregnant with my son, and funnily enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just disco dancing seven months pregnant. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we did back then. No, he actually asked Darryl

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<v Speaker 2>about me, that's right. He said, you know, who's that like,

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<v Speaker 2>she's pregnant, who's she married to? And said my husband's name?

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<v Speaker 2>Because they didn't like each other. Apparently I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that a couple of years later, well quite a few

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<v Speaker 2>years later when I think about it, because my son

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<v Speaker 2>was seven when Kevin and I started dating.

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<v Speaker 1>What was he like when you started dating him?

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful? Honestly, it was he just swept me off my

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<v Speaker 2>feet basically, And yeah, I just thought he was just

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<v Speaker 2>the ants pants. I just thought he was absolutely wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be so much fun. He was very generous,

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<v Speaker 2>like to a fault. He was a pleaser. He tried,

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<v Speaker 2>always tried to please most of the time, enjoyed his company.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a fun person to be around. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he had many sides. And when it snapped that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like it was like someone flicked a

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<v Speaker 2>switch and it wasn't just his demeanor. His whole face

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<v Speaker 2>would change. He had his star sign his Gemini and

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<v Speaker 2>that's two faces, and that was Kevin. That's a nice

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<v Speaker 2>face and then this ugly face that I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>look like the person that I knew, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>physically his face would change. That's yeah, and you just

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<v Speaker 2>never knew when that was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the moment that you realized that maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the person that you thought he was.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where he was very clever, because that snuck

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<v Speaker 2>up on me. That was just little things here, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>things that you maybe notice but don't notice, if you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like it'd be like a okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd cover it up, like then he'd be nice,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd cover it up. It was like a joke. He'd

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<v Speaker 2>make everything to be a joke. So it's really slowly

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<v Speaker 2>snuck up on me until it was just like one

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<v Speaker 2>day it was just a big explosion, you know that thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why am I here? Like, how did

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<v Speaker 2>this happen? How did I get here?

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<v Speaker 1>How bad did things get? When you were with Kevin?

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<v Speaker 2>They could get pretty bad? Yeah, he'd you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have Every couple has their normal arguments, but with Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>it was a whole other story. It would be a

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<v Speaker 2>big blow up. And then he'd just speak to me

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<v Speaker 2>for like two to three weeks, not speak to me,

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<v Speaker 2>what not one word, and then I'd end up apologizing

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<v Speaker 2>and everything had been all right. And it got to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where I started to write down what the

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<v Speaker 2>argument was about, because after two to three weeks, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten what the argument was all about anyway. So I

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<v Speaker 2>started to write it down so that when he tried

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<v Speaker 2>to convince me that it was my fault that we

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<v Speaker 2>had this argument, I could say, well, no, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what it was about. So the very first

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<v Speaker 2>time I did that, that's what his face changed, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, oh, you're going to be a smart

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<v Speaker 2>ass about it, are you? You know you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>start writing things down, keeping you know, keeping notes of

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<v Speaker 2>things that I do. And it said, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think you are? A detective? You know, and just made

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<v Speaker 2>it like this whole big thing out of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>all I was trying to do was prove a point

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<v Speaker 2>to him that you know that you're just sook. You'd

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<v Speaker 2>go up, you sulk the two to three weeks, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have to live with you like that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to live with someone like that. He just drag

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<v Speaker 2>this thing out and make me suffer. That was what

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he ever physically hurt you?

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<v Speaker 2>He had done. It wasn't a regular thing. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like you know you have about domestic violence and it happens,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, day in day out, that typic thing. Though

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<v Speaker 2>not ever like that. But he did, Yes, yes he was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one night we'd been out. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>main one that sticks in my head because the other

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<v Speaker 2>ones were just little, when I say little, compared to

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<v Speaker 2>this one. We'd been up with my sister and her partner,

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<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend for dinner and they were driving, so they

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<v Speaker 2>dropped us home and I must have said something or

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<v Speaker 2>done something during the night that didn't like I can't

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<v Speaker 2>remember what it was, now, but I knew he was

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<v Speaker 2>cranky with me all the way home in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew he wouldn't speak to me, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>kept getting filthy looks from him, and even my sister

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<v Speaker 2>like she kept looking back over and you know, are

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<v Speaker 2>you okay? And yeah, you know. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>make a seen in front of them. We got home

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how i'd ended up, but I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up in my son's bedroom, and I think I

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<v Speaker 2>might have been going to go and sleep in there

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<v Speaker 2>for the night to get away from him. And he

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<v Speaker 2>came in and he just pushed me back on the

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<v Speaker 2>bed and he was like punching into me while I

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<v Speaker 2>was on the bed, and my sister knew that something

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<v Speaker 2>was going to happen, so she came up knocked on

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<v Speaker 2>the front door, and that's the reason he stopped. It

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<v Speaker 2>happened over thirteen years, probably three times. So And I

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<v Speaker 2>also said to you about domestic violence. I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>with it, so that's how I saw domestic violence, how

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<v Speaker 2>my father was. So what Kevin did to me was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing like what my mother went through. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm older and I understand domestic violence better. I

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<v Speaker 2>see that it was domestic violence, but his was more emotional,

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<v Speaker 2>more what's the word. I'm looking for COEs of control. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>controlling that type of domestic violence. See, I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>know that existed before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how did he try and control you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he bought me my first mobile phone so that

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<v Speaker 2>he could keep track of me. I thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>being really nice and buying me a mobile phone, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was so he could know where I was all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, because he knows, well, he knew saying he knows,

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<v Speaker 2>he knew that I wasn't a good liar. So if

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<v Speaker 2>he rang me and I wasn't where I was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be, he knew that I wouldn't be able to

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<v Speaker 2>lie about it. I would stutter or stagger, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like just not be able to think like that. Well, I'm,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, here where I'm supposed to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew that he knew that I wasn't where

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<v Speaker 2>I was supposed to be. And it might have just

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<v Speaker 2>been that I'd left where I was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>early and called him to see a friend or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, But no, I wasn't where I was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be. So controlling otherways, well, money, he controlled money.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't want me to work. That was the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing he didn't want me to work. So while I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't working, he had the money, and I used to

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<v Speaker 2>sayed him and even made up a name for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I called momo money of my own? Can I have some?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>So, I've got some money in my wallet, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I want to go and buy something you want,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, well, where do you want to go? What

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to buy? I'll get it for you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So he just didn't want me to be

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<v Speaker 2>out and about and all that sort of thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>and I ended up going back to work anyway. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought he's not going to get the better of me

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<v Speaker 2>with that one, so I just you know, And he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like it, but he got used to it and

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<v Speaker 2>he was okay with it in the end.

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<v Speaker 1>So how fearful were you of him during your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time? Not, That's the strange thing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time. Not until he had one of

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<v Speaker 2>his snaps, and that that's when I was scared then.

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<v Speaker 2>But most of the time, no, I wasn't scared. We

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<v Speaker 2>got on really really well together. We could sit and

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<v Speaker 2>talk for hours and never run out of conversation. There

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<v Speaker 2>was always a thing too, if we were out anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>any guy looked at me, if he like I might

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<v Speaker 2>have noticed that any guy looked at me. He would

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<v Speaker 2>notice that some guy was looking at me, and he'd

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<v Speaker 2>get really angry at that. And I'd said, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>control what other people do. Do you want me to

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<v Speaker 2>go to every single man in the place and say,

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<v Speaker 2>do not look at me at all. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to look like a nutcase, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing anything to attract like making them look

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<v Speaker 2>at me. Just control yourself. He would just get so

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<v Speaker 2>angry if anybody ever looked at me. So he was

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<v Speaker 2>quite jealous, very jealous, very very jealous. Yes, extremely jealous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just tell me how to wear my hair. Don't wear

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<v Speaker 2>it this way because that looks too nice. You only

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<v Speaker 2>wear it like that when you're with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you talk me through any of the moments where

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<v Speaker 1>you were fearful of Kevin?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that night when my sister knocked on the door

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<v Speaker 2>that night, I was extremely fearful.

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<v Speaker 3>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, did he ever threaten you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he did threaten me. He threatened to if I

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<v Speaker 2>ever left him, he would hunt me down and find me.

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<v Speaker 2>He would cut me up in little pieces, bury me

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<v Speaker 2>on the beach. In individual spots to cover me in

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<v Speaker 2>lime so nobody could smell that there was body parts there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And then there was another time. Now we were either

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<v Speaker 2>going down to Nur because Kevin worked down at n Hora,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was later and I'm not sure why we

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<v Speaker 2>were going to Nour. I just I can't remember why

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<v Speaker 2>we were going there. But we drove past GIRoA Beach

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<v Speaker 2>and I mentioned as we'd driven past, and said, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a really nice caravan park on that side. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what a lovely spot to have a caravan park, because

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<v Speaker 2>she just got to walk across the road and there's

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<v Speaker 2>seven mile beach there, like that would be a fun

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<v Speaker 2>place to take a family like to go and stay there.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said to me, and I said, look at

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<v Speaker 2>all that bush there, and he said, yeah, look at

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<v Speaker 2>all that bush there. He said, that'd be a good

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<v Speaker 2>place to bury somebody. Just make sure you behave yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what he said to me then. So then

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of didn't think much of it at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>as things sort of happened over the years, so I

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<v Speaker 2>thought more about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Rochelle was killed by someone she knew. His burnt body

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<v Speaker 1>was found on a lonely South Coast Road found in

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<v Speaker 1>bush in GIRoA.

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<v Speaker 2>She was murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you remember about him when he said this?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you in a car with him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were just driving along. It was just we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't arguing, hadn't been an argument. There was no reason

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<v Speaker 2>for him to say something like that. But that was

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<v Speaker 2>the type of thing that Kevin could just say offhandedly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, quite often. Yeah, it's just I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know why he's why he would think said that at

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<v Speaker 2>that time. There's nothing that I can remember. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, we definitely were not arguing at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>so there was no reason for him to say that.

0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.000
<v Speaker 2>But he would say strange things like that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I just said to him, where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you think of that? Like it would have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with what was happening around us at

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<v Speaker 2>that moment, but he would just come off with offhanded

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<v Speaker 2>things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the particular threat where he said he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to chop you up and bury you on a beach,

0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and this other threat of you'll end up in there

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<v Speaker 1>there was Arilla Beach actually that's where he picked How

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<v Speaker 1>clear is that in your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>The Warrilla beach is the most clearest because that was

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<v Speaker 2>actually describing what he would do to me, So of

0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.480
<v Speaker 2>course that stuck with me. The giau of Beach one

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<v Speaker 2>was more of a like an offhanded thing. Even though

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<v Speaker 2>I remember it, it wasn't something that terrified me. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like, I'd better watch what I say

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<v Speaker 2>then or I'll end up there. But it was more

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<v Speaker 2>of me thinking that was a joke thing at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>because that was the first time he'd ever said it

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<v Speaker 2>to me. The beach one was, you know, he's telling

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<v Speaker 2>me he's going to cut me up in little pieces

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<v Speaker 2>and dig holes all over Rula Beach and bury me

0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and put lime on me. I thought lime was to

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<v Speaker 2>dissolve a body, but apparently it's to stop the smell.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that he knew that. I've never forgotten it,

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<v Speaker 2>never ever forgotten it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a memory of what year or month

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<v Speaker 1>he threatened you the.

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<v Speaker 2>Rule of beach one. I know we were living in

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<v Speaker 2>our house. We were there from ninety three, well I

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<v Speaker 2>was there from ninety three till ninety seven, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was in that time. Then I couldn't say exactly when.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go back to nineteen eighty three. Is that when

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<v Speaker 1>you met Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure it was towards the end of eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by this stage Kevin had been accused of serious

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<v Speaker 1>sex assaults. When did you first hear that he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>accused of sexual assaults?

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<v Speaker 2>Not very long into dating, I would say within the

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<v Speaker 2>first year. He started to tell me a few things

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<v Speaker 2>here and there. Yeah, he wasn't guilty of it that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Just I asked him to explain, like, what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>What was going on? You had this all come about?

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<v Speaker 2>And it was all to do with apparently, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what he told me. He was dating someone high up

0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.840
<v Speaker 2>in the police force. He was dating one of their daughters,

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<v Speaker 2>and this father didn't like Kevin, so he's determined to

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<v Speaker 2>get him out of his daughter's life, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>started to make up all these accusations about him, that

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<v Speaker 2>he Roger Rogerson was involved in it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know where that came from. Why he thought it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Roger Rogerson was in the news at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Yeah, but he just wound this big

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<v Speaker 2>story that I believed. It sounded very believable, so I

0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:23.200
<v Speaker 2>believed him that he wasn't guilty. That was all circumstantial

0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.680
<v Speaker 2>evidence against him. And yeah, this this is how this

0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.880
<v Speaker 2>high up policeman was going to get rid of him

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<v Speaker 2>out of his daughter's life.

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<v Speaker 1>In that time. You clearly believed him, Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I did. I believed one hundred percent that he

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<v Speaker 2>was not guilty. Absolutely, I believe that. Yeah, he had

0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.760
<v Speaker 2>me totally convinced. I went to a court case with him.

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<v Speaker 1>The alleged victim has spoken to the podcast and we've

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<v Speaker 1>called her Nicole.

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<v Speaker 3>The knock at the door, I opened it and it

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<v Speaker 3>was bam, instant melaclava. The knife was held up here.

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<v Speaker 3>He pushed me back. He told me that into the

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<v Speaker 3>bedroom and get my clothes off. He just came straight

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<v Speaker 3>at me and it was just closed, hard fist.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just went down.

0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:14.280
<v Speaker 3>It was like I just went smacked down on the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you believe Nicole had been attacked when you sat

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<v Speaker 1>there in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, I believe she'd been attacked, But I didn't

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.280
<v Speaker 2>believe she'd been attacked by Kevin. I thought it was

0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a case of mistaken identity.

0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Remember them saying that they have to go and have

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<v Speaker 3>a look at the munk shots and to don't worry

0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.200
<v Speaker 3>if you see him in the photos, it'll just jump

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<v Speaker 3>right out, an't you. And that's exactly what happened when

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking through all the photos. It just jumped, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>literally jumped.

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<v Speaker 1>And what led you to believe that she'd got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong when she was asked by Kevin's solicitor. Obviously there

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was a whole lot of questions beforehand, but it came

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<v Speaker 2>up to what he was wearing on that day, and

0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure she said it was a sleeveless T shirt,

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<v Speaker 2>like a tank top, that type of thing. And then

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<v Speaker 2>his solicitor asked her, so, did he have any markings

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<v Speaker 2>on him, like track marks or tattoos or anything like that,

0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.399
<v Speaker 2>and she said, no, he had nothing on his arms.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I knew that it wasn't Kevin, because

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin had tattoos on his arms and he'd been having

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<v Speaker 2>them removed. This was before I had met him, been

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.240
<v Speaker 2>having them removed. And the scars were actually worse than

0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.159
<v Speaker 2>what did the tattoo look like. They were very raised

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<v Speaker 2>and lumpy, and they looked like burns. So even if

0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.760
<v Speaker 2>she didn't see tattoos, she would have seen burn marks

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<v Speaker 2>on him. Just knew that. I thought, well, that it's

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<v Speaker 2>not Kevin, So I knew one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you believe now?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was him. I can still remember when

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.919
<v Speaker 2>the jury came back and one of the juris that

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.119
<v Speaker 2>was a lady Dura, and I think she must have

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 2>known who I was, even though I was just sitting

0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.000
<v Speaker 2>in the audience. She at me and gave me a smile,

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.879
<v Speaker 2>So I knew that he was going to be not

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<v Speaker 2>found guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>And how has that played on your mind over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>I I just can't believe I was with somebody like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just as I said, if I knew back then

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<v Speaker 2>what I know now, there's no way I especially would

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<v Speaker 2>never have taken my children into a relationship like that.

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<v Speaker 1>When you marry Kevin, what was his name Cornwall? And

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<v Speaker 1>how long after? Your marriage did not be changed?

0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Very long after? I was only actually Cornwall was on

0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 2>my marriage certificate. But basically straight away we use the

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:54.679
<v Speaker 2>name Correll.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know why he chose the name Correll?

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<v Speaker 2>Which I think it was just something he thought up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he'd ever heard anywhere, because he

0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.840
<v Speaker 2>just said to me, I've chosen a name that I'm

0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 2>going to change my name to And I said what

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:08.919
<v Speaker 2>is it? And he said Correll And I said, Oh,

0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.080
<v Speaker 2>that's a nicer name than Cornwall. I didn't like the

0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:11.760
<v Speaker 2>name Cornwall.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he tell you why he wanted to change his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of all the things that had been going on before,

0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.600
<v Speaker 2>so he could start afresh, have a clean slate, It

0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:28.560
<v Speaker 2>would not be associated with the name Cornwall whatsoever. Basically, yes,

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.359
<v Speaker 2>so it would be easier to get a job and

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that type of thing, just to have a clean, fresh start.

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<v Speaker 1>How convincing was Kevin?

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<v Speaker 2>Extremely, Like I've never known anybody in my life that

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:48.120
<v Speaker 2>could tell a story so convincingly that there was no

0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.800
<v Speaker 2>margin of err out there that you just go, that

0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't sound right. It was I don't know how where

0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 2>it came from, how he figured the sort of stuff

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 2>out that he could make it so convincingly.

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:06.440
<v Speaker 1>And how quickly could Kevin come up with a story that.

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.959
<v Speaker 2>Quick, snap my fingers that quick that We'd be with

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>friends and I we'd be talking and out of the

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.560
<v Speaker 2>blue would come this lie And I think, how did

0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.720
<v Speaker 2>you think of that light so quick? Like it's not

0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 2>like you knew what the conversation was going to be

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 2>about beforehand. But in the blink of an eye he

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<v Speaker 2>made up this lie. And as I said, I knew

0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.160
<v Speaker 2>when he was lying because what he's telling the lie,

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.960
<v Speaker 2>he had his hand over his mouth, and I thought,

0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:39.159
<v Speaker 2>you're lying. That never happened. And I'd say to him

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 2>later on, why did you say that lie? He said,

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 2>sounded like a good story, you know, just made the

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.000
<v Speaker 2>night more interesting, Just something flippant like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just when did it become apparent to you that he

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<v Speaker 1>was a liar?

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<v Speaker 2>That took a while for me to get that through

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 2>my thick head. Yeah, that did take a while, I guess,

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:04.000
<v Speaker 2>just the it happened, the more I just realized. You know,

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I never understood why he had to tell lies. People

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.440
<v Speaker 2>liked him for who he was, so he didn't have

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 2>to tell lies and make himself sound better or bigger

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>than what he was. He didn't need to do that.

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.360
<v Speaker 2>There was no need to do that. People liked him

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 2>just the way that he was. So it was just

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I never understood why he did it. It was like

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it was born in him and he couldn't help himself.

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.400
<v Speaker 2>That's just the way he was.

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 1>How did you respond when some of these rape allegations

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 1>were broadcast on national television.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Michael Willisey speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, did you participate in an interview with Mike Willersey?

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:48.919
<v Speaker 1>How did that come about?

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 2>They were doing their primos, obviously for the Willasey Show,

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:58.399
<v Speaker 2>and then I watched the very first Willisey Show, and

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 2>at that stage I believed everything Kevin had said to me,

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and they were bringing up things that I thought were lies.

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 2>So I rang the Willisey Show and said, you know

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 2>you're telling lies on national TV about this man. You

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.679
<v Speaker 2>know it's none of it's true. So they asked me

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.959
<v Speaker 2>to come in and do an interview with them, which now,

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.400
<v Speaker 2>when I think back, I wish I'd never done that interview.

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I was just young and blinded and just just swept

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 2>up in the whole Kevin Aura thing.

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you regret that you protected him back year?

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Is absolutely absolutely? I do. Yeah, As I said, if

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>i'd known then what I know now, there's no way.

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 1>When did you decide that you had to leave Kevin?

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 2>That was in nineteen ninety seven, Yeah, I'd had enough.

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I just I want to say that I had a

0:24:55.800 --> 0:25:00.119
<v Speaker 2>nice life. I had a beautiful house, I had nice car,

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>I had nice clothes, I had everything, but I just

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 2>could not live like I was walking on eggshells all

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the time. It just was really starting to get to me.

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I just did not want to be there anymore. And

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I walked out, basically with a couple of suitcases of

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>clothes and a couple of boxes. I just left everything

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 2>everything there, furniture, everything, everything. I just left. That was it.

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 1>And did he try and get you back?

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Obviously I knew that was going to be on the

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>cards because he'd done that before. So I went overseas

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 2>and I stayed over there for two years in the

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 2>hope that he would move on and forget about me,

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 2>and then I could come back and just lived my

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 2>life here without him. Did that happen? Well, yes, I

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 2>went overseas and he'd still tried to find me. I

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 2>found out, you know, through family members and that he

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 2>was looking for me. He would likely being no stone

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 2>unturned trying to find me, and he didn't. So and

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 2>two years I thought, well, I'll go back and just

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>see what happens. I could always leave again if I

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 2>had to, and he'd obviously moved on.

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, were you fearful of Kevin when you decided

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>that you were going to leave him.

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, I was with my staying at my mum's

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 2>place for six weeks before I left to go overseas.

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 2>I would not walk out of the house without checking

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.479
<v Speaker 2>left and right and making sure there was no cars

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 2>hanging around that shouldn't be there. I used to walk

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>every day, what a good two hours, and I'd be

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 2>looking over my shoulder all the time. If a car

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>would slow down behind me, I'd check and make sure

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't him. It was very, very fearful for me.

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't only fearful for me. I was fearful

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 2>he might do something to one of my family members.

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>As you said yourself, you've known Kevin probably the longest

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.400
<v Speaker 1>out of anyone outside of his own family.

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 1>What makes him so dangerous.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 2>The fact that he can just snap. It's like he's

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>got a dark passenger or something living inside him, and

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 2>the switch clicks and the dark passenger takes over. Yeah,

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 2>it's scary to watch it actually, to see when that happens, because,

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 2>as I said, his face changes, it contorts, it's not

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>his face. And I even told him, I said, after

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 2>one of those incidents, is a couple of weeks later

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. I said, your whole face changes. I said,

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>it's ugly. It's an ugly face. And he was shocked.

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>He was absolutely shocked that I would say that about

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 2>him and that his face would change that way. I said,

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't explain it to you, Kevin, I said, you

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:53.400
<v Speaker 2>do not look like yourself when this face takes over.

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>It is like it's another person's face. That was very scary.

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Did you get an understanding of what triggered him?

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 2>It could be anything. It was so hard to pinpoint

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>what not to say or what not to do. It

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>could be anything that he didn't like. And who knows

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>what everybody like, you know, anybody likes it at any

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 2>particular time. It would just you know, it could just

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 2>be a word. So if you can imagine an angel

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden turning black, you know, if you

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 2>can see that picture, You've got an angel floating in

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 2>front of you and then all of a sudden it

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>goes black and ugly. That's the only picture.

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Had he ever change while you were in a car

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>with him?

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I can remember him smack him in the face

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>ones when we were driving, but I don't remember where

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>we were going or what we were doing. Just just

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the memory came back to me. He was driving because

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>he had a ring on. I think it was a

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>black stone, might have been Onyx or something like that.

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Any pun shmun left a mark behind my ear for

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>about a week. Yeah, he got me sort of right there.

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.959
<v Speaker 2>That the longer we were together, the more he started

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>to show him his true self. He couldn't keep covering

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>it up, he couldn't keep hiding it. It would come

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 2>out more and more. But I will say the time,

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 2>the whole time that we were together, I did not

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>know of Kevin doing anything to anybody. Ever. He would

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>go to work, he was a workaholic, he would come home.

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 2>He didn't frequent pubs or clubs. I mean we would

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>go to clubs together, obviously, and we would see bands

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, but he was not a pub goer,

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 2>not a huge heavy drinker. I mean we both drank,

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>but not you know, to the point where he was

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>a drunk or doing it a day in and day out.

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like that. Just I think he was a calm,

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 2>fairly calm person with me compared to what I know

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>him to be now. I don't know how to explain it.

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to put it into words, but I

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>think I had a calming effect on him, and that's

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>why he didn't get into any trouble in the time

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>that we were married. There was nothing, ever, ever, that

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>was brought up or happened while we were married.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm fascinated to get your insights about the relationship between

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a young woman who would have looked up to someone

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>like Kevin in the workplace and how much they trusted him.

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Could he be capable of abusing that trust?

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely absolutely. It'd work with quite a few young girls

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 2>over the years, and I couldn't tell you what the

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>roles were of these girls, but I can remember one

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>day and I'm trying to think of the name of

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the car Yad. I'd gone down to see him about something,

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and I walked into his office and he was in

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 2>there with this young girl and they were having lunch,

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 2>and straight away I knew exactly what Kevin he was

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>flirting with her. I knew that something was going on,

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>so I just Okay, I'll see you later, and I

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>just left. I I was just horrified and shocked. There

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 2>was another time when he had his own kyard, which

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>was the Okay corral and i'd gone there. I walked

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 2>into his office again and there was this young girl

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>in there having lunch together. Now, normally you don't do

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that with your yard person. They eat outside or you've

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 2>got somewhere else for them to eat. But being that

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 2>it was just a small car out of the okay,

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>were they just having lunch together? But he said something

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 2>to me, and I to this day I cannot remember,

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying. I've tried so hard to remember what

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>it was that gave me the idea that there was

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>something going on here. And I just left, and I

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>can still remember because I had a brand new car

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>and I backed out of the driveway the car and

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I just spun my wheels and left. And it was

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>first time I've ever spun my wheels in my life.

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 2>And I was so angry about something. But honest to God,

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I cannot remember what it was.

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>When did you hear about Rochelle's murder?

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I got a phone call from my sister that the

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 2>police had been to. My sister lived at my mother's

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 2>place and the police had been there and they said

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>it's to do with a murder. And my sister was

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 2>just and my mum was absolutely shocked. You know they now,

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I would never have heard it anybody. But anyway, my

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>sister rang and said, you know, the police want to

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 2>talk to you about this murder and give me a

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>phone number for you to ring. I had no idea.

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I as far as I could remember, I had not

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>heard about the Rochelle Charles's case. I might have seen

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>it on the news and not really paid attention to

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>it or you know whatever, but I had not heard

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>about it until then when I rang the police and

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>they told me that it would say they were looking

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>into Kevin. What year was that, two thousand and three?

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>And did you talk to police?

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I did, Yes, They came out and visited me. Actually

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>they were probably there for about half an hour and

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear from them again until it came up

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>about a sheet that they'd found and the way they

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>put it across. And I don't know if I read

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>it in a newspaper or heard it on the news,

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure now, but it was an unusual sheet.

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:25.479
<v Speaker 2>And I remember this sheet that I had that was

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>one of my mum's and she had it for a

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>long long time, and it was a double bed, pure

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>linen sheet. And linen back then was different to what

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>linen sheets are now. It was a very heavy, thick material,

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and I knew I had one of those, and I'd

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>left that behind when I'd left Kevin, and so that

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 2>made me think, an unusual sheet. Well, there's not that

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>many of those around anymore, so I thought it might

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>have been that sheet. So I rang the police and

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>they said, can we bring it out and you have

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a look. And as soon as I saw it, I

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 2>knew it wasn't the sheet that I was thinking about,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and I said, no, that's not the sheet I'm thinking

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 2>about that. To me, that just looked like an everyday sheet.

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:13.720
<v Speaker 2>So I said no. So they left and then maybe

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe six months later or something, they

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>come out and visited again and wanted to have a chat.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>And I really can't remember anything much about the questions

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that they asked me, other than what kind of videos

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Kevin liked to watch. That's the only thing I can

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.719
<v Speaker 2>actually remember that They asked.

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Me, did you go and do a formal statement?

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Were you called to give evidence at the US?

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I was not.

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Did that surprise you would also?

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely being that I'm probably the person that knewing the

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 2>best out of anybody. You know, I spent thirteen years

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>with him. Don't know anybody else that spent that long

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>with him other than his parents.

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Were you shocked in the sense that he was being

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>investigated over a murder?

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 2>No, not really, not in that sense.

0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.720
<v Speaker 1>When police speaking to you about your relationship with Kevin,

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>were you forthcoming with how he treated you?

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>They didn't ask me. As far as I remember, they

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>did not ask me. My mind was in a total

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>fog with all that. I just I couldn't believe that

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>poor girl was not yere anymore.

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Could you have been in a state of shock that

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 1>you didn't feel comfortable in that moment to be forthcoming

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:26.320
<v Speaker 1>about his threats?

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 2>And more than likely because I haven't really told anybody

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 2>about them. I know I never told my mother any

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>of that. She would have been absolutely devastated. I told

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I might have told my daughter, I'm not sure.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Just the only person I've really told is my partner. Now, yeah,

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 2>that's who I remember. I definitely know I've told. Yeah,

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I just I keep stuff like that to myself. You know,

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm a very like the Royal family. Never never explain.

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I never complained, that's yeah.

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.479
<v Speaker 1>So what's prompted you to speak now?

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Just as a mother?

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:24.919
<v Speaker 1>Yes, these are difficult things to discuss. I'm sorry. I'm

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>sorry you're going through this and you are willing to

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>speak so freely about about that time in your life.

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 2>It was a time I tried. I just wanted to

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>forget it. I tried so hard to forget it. I'm

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 2>embarrassed and ashamed that I even is.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>With him, Alice, You've done nothing wrong.

0:36:55.640 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 5>I just that poor girl, her parents, especially a mom.

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Her sister. I'm a sister, I'm a mother, and I

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>would that had happened to someone I loved. I would

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.280
<v Speaker 2>want someone like me to come forward.

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>You're being incredibly brave to speak out and talk.

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 2>About I feel I feel sometimes like it's my fault.

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought I'd brought it all on myself by being

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 2>young and stupid, and I was a single mom for

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>quite a while, and I was so happy to have

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 2>someone in my life that was going to help me.

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 2>That that's what it felt like to start with that.

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 2>That certainly changed later on because he was not nice

0:37:55.239 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>to my kids at all. He started off very as

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 2>to them. He had them totally fooled as well. And

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 2>then he showed his true colors there as well. And

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I will never forgive him to that. He put a

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:11.959
<v Speaker 2>wedge between.

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 6>My kids at night. That took a long chime. It

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 6>took a long time to me.

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>To repair it.

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 7>Get a stake, let's have a break, Okay.

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>What sort of a father was Kevin.

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 2>He was a very loving dad with his kids. He

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>was very attentive towards them, probably too much. He was

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 2>a bit overbearing with them, but yeah, he was. I

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 2>would say he's a good daddy. He's very good with

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>small children, not so good with older children.

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me about his family?

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're an entity on their own. That family, I

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 2>just say, I've never ever met another family like it.

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't particularly want to meet another family like it.

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Just a very strange, very strange group of people. Things

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>that were set around the lunch table and stuff like that.

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 2>That just absolutely shocked me. I don't actually think they

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>were a family like everybody thinks of a family. As

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, they're in an entity of all on their own.

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I was interested to ask Elise what memories she had

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 1>of Kevin's brother, Raymond Cornwall. She was married to Kevin

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.799
<v Speaker 1>when police arrested him for a series of sex attacks,

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>including the rape of a thirteen year old girl.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I've met Raymond of God. Yeah. Never really liked Raymond.

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 2>He always seemed very sleezy to me. I remember one

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>day I was in their dining room and the dining

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>table and Raymond was sitting there and I was standing

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 2>to his left and I had a pair of short

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 2>shorts on because I was quite slim back then, and

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 2>he just run his hand up the back of my leg,

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it made me jump away, and I

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 2>knocked his hand and I said, raym and don't do that.

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>And Ken said, what did you do? I said, rub

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 2>his hand up my leg, and he just laughed. He

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 2>thought it was funny, and the whole family laughed. They

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>thought it was funny. I didn't think it was funny,

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Just sleazy things like that. Yeah. The only thing I

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 2>ever saw that was really strange with Raymond was he

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 2>came home from work one day, he went into his

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>bedroom and he didn't come out for twelve months, only

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to have a shower and eat. That was it. He

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 2>stayed in his bedroom for twelve months. And then I

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>found out later on obviously it was because the police

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 2>were looking for him.

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.840
<v Speaker 1>And when they found him, Raymond confessed to his sickening

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.359
<v Speaker 1>crimes and went on to spend most of the next

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>two decades behind bars. And what about Kevin's dad.

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 2>He was a sane He was a sleeve as well. Yeah,

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 2>you had to give him a kiss on the cheek

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>when you came in. So you go to give him

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 2>a kiss on the cheek and he turned his face

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 2>and tried to stick his tongue down your throat, and

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.720
<v Speaker 2>everybody laughed at that. They all thought that was really funny.

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>How many siblings does Kevin have?

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Twelve? There was thirteen of them, and have any of

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 2>them passed? I only know if his younger brother, Victor. Yeah,

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 2>he committed suicide while I was with Kevin.

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Did that come as a shock his suicide.

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually it did because he had two or three

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if there was three children. I think

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 2>he might have had three very young children at that stage.

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it did shock me.

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>What sort of a stepfather was Kevin started, Well.

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't a step father to them then, but when

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>we were first dating and that he was wonderful with

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 2>my kids. He was Yeah, he s bought them rotten.

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 2>They thought he was the ant pants. He was just

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>wonderful to them, and then he just slowly started to

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 2>turn on them, and the majority of it went to

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 2>my son. I don't know why he chose to do

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:28.400
<v Speaker 2>that to my son. Maybe it was a personality conflict.

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I could. I don't understand that because

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 2>he was the adult and my son was only seven

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>years old, you know, that's how old he was when

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 2>actually Kevin was at his seventh birthday, so he was

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 2>just turning seven. And yeah, he changed towards my kids

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and he was just he was better towards my daughter,

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 2>but still he could be very, very nasty. He bought

0:42:55.080 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 2>her a bedroom set at one stage, and then he

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 2>got really angry with her over something I can't remember

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>what it was. So he sold her bedroom set and

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 2>then he brought it back for her, and when they

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>made up, like bought a similar one. It wasn't the

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 2>same one back, but he bought another bedroom set for her,

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, just things like making sure their life wasn't

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>on an even keel. He was up and down and

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:28.280
<v Speaker 2>up and down. It was. Yeah, he was really horrible

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to them, really horrible to them.

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>How would you describe the Kevin Carrell that you learned

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:35.399
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 2>With sneaky, conniving, a liar, then, on the other hand, charismatic, funny, charming, generous,

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 2>fun to be around. Everybody liked him. I don't think

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I ever met a person while I was with him

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 2>that did not like him. In our friend group that

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.959
<v Speaker 2>we made. I knew there were people obviously that didn't

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:05.920
<v Speaker 2>like Kevin from before I knew him, because he just

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>had this thing that he could he could just weave

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:13.880
<v Speaker 2>this little magic spell over people somehow, and yeah, everybody

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:14.879
<v Speaker 2>thought he was a great guy.

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Is there any way you can put into words of

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 1>how much hurt and pain Kevin has caused you and

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>your loved ones?

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 2>There? I know what's But if I could go back,

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be here because I would never have known him.

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I would I mean, I would have known him, but

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have been ever been with him. And if

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I had listened to other people, I still wouldn't be

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 2>here today because I wouldn't have been with him. But

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't listen to other people. I thought I knew better.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was an adult and I wasn't I was.

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I was too easily influenced, and yeah, I just it

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>would not have happened. If if I was a person

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.800
<v Speaker 2>then what I am today, that would never have happened.

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>When you think about Rochelle and the victim in this story,

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 1>how does it leave your feeling devastated.

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>From day one? I just I've thought about that poor

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 2>girls so many times over the years.

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Now we have one of the members.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Of Rocky's team, ye and the other and as I

0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>set before, as a mum and as a sister, I

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine what they've been going through. And if that

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 2>was someone I loved and it had been going on

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 2>this long, I would absolutely be beside myself and I

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.320
<v Speaker 2>would pray that somebody would come forward that could help.

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I wanted to do this. I didn't

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.720
<v Speaker 2>want to do this by any means. I thought about

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>not doing it. I just couldn't stand the thought of

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 2>thought that poor mother and her sister and her father

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 2>are going through with this. I just thought if I

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.399
<v Speaker 2>could help in any little way, any little way at all,

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.279
<v Speaker 2>then I wanted to do that. It'd be probably one

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.400
<v Speaker 2>of the good things that I've done in my life.

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Was Kevin a misogynist. How did he view women? I

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>think he had a very low opinion of women, very much. So, Yeah,

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't think he liked women in general.

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I really don't. I think he found them probably threatening.

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I think he thought they were second class citizens. I

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 2>think he thought we were just he put on earth

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 2>for men. Yeah, that was my impression I got from

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 2>him over the years. Yeah.

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Would you be willing to talk to police now about

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>your relationship with Kevin and those threats?

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely. I don't have that fear that I

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 2>had before. I mean, I'm still worried about what is

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 2>going to think when he hears this, But he's older now,

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 2>so I don't have and I'm stronger, so I don't

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>have that fear that I used to have.

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 1>What would you say to anyone that is holding back

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:48.720
<v Speaker 1>information from police?

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Please don't. It's hard. I know it's hard, especially if

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>you were close to Kevin. You don't owe him anything,

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:02.359
<v Speaker 2>You don't owe him any loyalty whatsoever. He would never

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>do that for you. He would just help bring justice

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:13.359
<v Speaker 2>for Michelle, for her sister, for her mother and her

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>father and anybody else that loved Rochelle. Just give them

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 2>peace of mind.

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I've got something to show you you ready.

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Hi, I'm Christie, I'm Rochelle's sister. I just wanted to

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 4>send you a message just to thank you for being

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:33.360
<v Speaker 4>willing to talk about your relationship and your experiences with Kevin,

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 4>which I can only imagine it's going to be hard

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 4>to relive. So thank you so much for doing.

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 2>This for Michelle.

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 3>We really really appreciate your.

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 4>Support, and so does my mum. It's women like you

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 4>who make our team really, really strong, and I just

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 4>really thank you for standing up and standing with us.

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 4>And I just think you're incredibly fucking brave. So welcome

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 4>to Teamshell.

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:09.320
<v Speaker 2>That's lovely.

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel proud of yourself for doing this?

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 2>I just don't feel proud. I don't feel proud. I

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 2>feel I feel like I am trying to find the words.

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm giving or helping, helping get them

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 2>a gift, hopefully the gift for a solution. You know

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 2>that they can maybe sleep a little bit better at night.

0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 2>And as has said, it's coming way too late, way

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.399
<v Speaker 2>way too late. They should have had this a long

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>time ago, and somebody should have been paying for it

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.040
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago. To have had all those years

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.879
<v Speaker 2>out there just living their life the way that you know,

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 2>not missing out on anything, and Rashel missed out on everything.

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 1>You've shown so much courage having this discussion with me

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:16.520
<v Speaker 1>about a traumatic time in your life, and we are

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 1>extremely grateful.

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 2>The worst part of is now I'm going to think

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 2>about it all over again, and I was trying to

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>get over it. That's the hard part for me, because

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I just I never wanted to think about him again.

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 2>And I can honestly say he might have over the

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 2>last twenty eight years popped into my head maybe half

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>a dozen times if that, and the only reason of

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 2>that is because of this case. Otherwise I would not

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 2>have thought about him at all.

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 1>What do you want people to know about Kevin Correll.

0:50:53.840 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Is not to be trusted. Just run as fast as

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:05.319
<v Speaker 2>you can do not be anywhere near this man. If

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 2>you're a friend, if you're involved with him, just he

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 2>will only cause you grief and you don't need grief

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 2>in your life. Life is too short. Just do not

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 2>be involved.

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that Kevin played on your vulnerability?

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Now I look back, Yes, absolutely, absolutely he did.

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Yep, absolutely, I put Elsa's accusations to Kevin Correll and

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:48.240
<v Speaker 1>hours before we publish this episode, he responded, I emailed

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Kevin this, Hi, Kevin, I think it's important to tell

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 1>your side of the story, not just in relation to

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Rachelle's case, but also fresh allegations from your ex wife.

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:02.440
<v Speaker 1>These are the latest questions I put to him.

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>One did you ever.

0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Threaten to kill Elise and bury her body parts at

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Wrilla Beach and cover her body in line?

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Two?

0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever physically assault Elise during your marriage? Three?

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Did you threaten to kill her and bury her at

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Jiroa Beach?

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Four?

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever behave in a way which was intended

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 1>to leave Elise in view of her life? I look

0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 1>forward to your response, and here it is ree your

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:37.200
<v Speaker 1>fair and balanced inquiry. From the sensationalized headlines to your

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:41.560
<v Speaker 1>fresh allegations. Nothing has been fair and balanced during this investigation.

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Over the past twenty three years, I've been interviewed by

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>detectives numerous times. I've attended the inquest and cooperated with police,

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:55.439
<v Speaker 1>supplying my DNA and answering all their questions. The new

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 1>allegations from my ex wife should help your podcast ratings

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 1>sell your newspaper, so I will answer your four questions.

0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I vehemently deny these allegations and the answer is no

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 1>to all four questions. Sincerely, Kevin Correll coming soon on

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Dear Rochelle. Have you still got eyes on his car? Yeah?

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm right behind it. And the way he did is

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 2>to watch the shell. I can picture him now, just

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 2>sort of like leering at her. Okay, he's just John

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:32.239
<v Speaker 2>the Red Lake.

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>And I said to him, you know exactly who I am.

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 4>He got out of the vehicle and as he did

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 4>so with his hands up, his pants came down.

0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 1>His doors are grooms, He's in and around everything like

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 1>he's just there and exactly what I can tell these people.

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:49.359
<v Speaker 2>So you need to get out of my.

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