Speaker 1: What was it like being married to Kevin Correll?
Speaker 2: Okay, it was a mixed mixed bag. You know, there
Speaker 2: was many sides to Kevin, good side, bad side. Get
Speaker 2: the emotional already. Sorry, it's just hard to talk about it.
Speaker 2: You can take your time. That's stupid, It's not stupid.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be opening these wounds. You do want
Speaker 1: to do this, I do, It's just really hard. I'm
Speaker 1: Ashley Hanson and this is episode nine of Dear Rochelle,
Speaker 1: a podcast by True Crime as Australia. We're investigating the
Speaker 1: unsolved murder of twenty three year old Rochelle Charles. At
Speaker 1: the beginning of Rochelle's inquest, there were nine persons of interest.
Speaker 1: At the conclusion, only one man remained uncleared, Rochelle's boss,
Speaker 1: Kevin Stephen Carell. In recent episodes, you've heard disturbing allegations
Speaker 1: from women and men accusing Kevin of serious crimes, including stalking,
Speaker 1: threatening violence, attempted sexual assault and rape. In the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: Kevin was acquitted of four separate sex assault changes. Kevin
Speaker 1: also strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder and has
Speaker 1: never been changed by police. At the conclusion of the
Speaker 1: inquest into Rochelle's death, the coroner made an open finding.
Speaker 1: You've heard a lot about Kevin's dark past. One thing
Speaker 1: we've learned during this investigation is that you never know
Speaker 1: who will find the courage to break their silence. Next.
Speaker 2: My name is Elise. That's not my real name. I
Speaker 2: was married to Kevin Correll for thirteen years.
Speaker 1: This episode is a little bit different. It's just a
Speaker 1: lease in me unpacking her life with Kevin Correll. She
Speaker 1: left him four years before June two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: when Michelle was killed. Even with everything you've already heard,
Speaker 1: Elisa's story is likely to shock you and a heads up.
Speaker 1: This episode deals with some confronting topics, including allegations of
Speaker 1: family violence. When did you first meet Kevin?
Speaker 2: That would have been in Ah, my goodness, I was
Speaker 2: still married to my first husband then when I first
Speaker 2: met him because he was a DJ at the club
Speaker 2: my first husband, I worked at the club and they
Speaker 2: used have a go on a Thursday night and a
Speaker 2: Saturday night, and Kevin was one of the DJs. And
Speaker 2: I actually knew his partner first. As in partner, I
Speaker 2: mean the guy that he worked with. I worked for
Speaker 2: try to think of his name, Darryl. Darryl and I
Speaker 2: met him first, and then Daryl introduced me to Kevin,
Speaker 2: and you know, just everybody knew Kevin like he was
Speaker 2: the DJ there, so everybody knew who he was. I
Speaker 2: think the first time Kevin ever noticed me, I was
Speaker 2: actually about seven months pregnant with my son, and funnily enough,
Speaker 2: I was just disco dancing seven months pregnant. But that's
Speaker 2: what we did back then. No, he actually asked Darryl
Speaker 2: about me, that's right. He said, you know, who's that like,
Speaker 2: she's pregnant, who's she married to? And said my husband's name?
Speaker 2: Because they didn't like each other. Apparently I didn't know
Speaker 2: that a couple of years later, well quite a few
Speaker 2: years later when I think about it, because my son
Speaker 2: was seven when Kevin and I started dating.
Speaker 1: What was he like when you started dating him?
Speaker 2: Wonderful? Honestly, it was he just swept me off my
Speaker 2: feet basically, And yeah, I just thought he was just
Speaker 2: the ants pants. I just thought he was absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 2: He could be so much fun. He was very generous,
Speaker 2: like to a fault. He was a pleaser. He tried,
Speaker 2: always tried to please most of the time, enjoyed his company.
Speaker 2: He was a fun person to be around. As I said,
Speaker 2: he had many sides. And when it snapped that, you know,
Speaker 2: it was just like it was like someone flicked a
Speaker 2: switch and it wasn't just his demeanor. His whole face
Speaker 2: would change. He had his star sign his Gemini and
Speaker 2: that's two faces, and that was Kevin. That's a nice
Speaker 2: face and then this ugly face that I didn't even
Speaker 2: look like the person that I knew, and I mean
Speaker 2: physically his face would change. That's yeah, and you just
Speaker 2: never knew when that was going to happen.
Speaker 1: What was the moment that you realized that maybe he
Speaker 1: wasn't the person that you thought he was.
Speaker 2: So that's where he was very clever, because that snuck
Speaker 2: up on me. That was just little things here, you know,
Speaker 2: things that you maybe notice but don't notice, if you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it'd be like a okay,
Speaker 2: and he'd cover it up, like then he'd be nice,
Speaker 2: he'd cover it up. It was like a joke. He'd
Speaker 2: make everything to be a joke. So it's really slowly
Speaker 2: snuck up on me until it was just like one
Speaker 2: day it was just a big explosion, you know that thought,
Speaker 2: I don't know why am I here? Like, how did
Speaker 2: this happen? How did I get here?
Speaker 1: How bad did things get? When you were with Kevin?
Speaker 2: They could get pretty bad? Yeah, he'd you know, you
Speaker 2: have Every couple has their normal arguments, but with Kevin
Speaker 2: it was a whole other story. It would be a
Speaker 2: big blow up. And then he'd just speak to me
Speaker 2: for like two to three weeks, not speak to me,
Speaker 2: what not one word, and then I'd end up apologizing
Speaker 2: and everything had been all right. And it got to
Speaker 2: the point where I started to write down what the
Speaker 2: argument was about, because after two to three weeks, I'd
Speaker 2: forgotten what the argument was all about anyway. So I
Speaker 2: started to write it down so that when he tried
Speaker 2: to convince me that it was my fault that we
Speaker 2: had this argument, I could say, well, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: This is what it was about. So the very first
Speaker 2: time I did that, that's what his face changed, and
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, you're going to be a smart
Speaker 2: ass about it, are you? You know you're going to
Speaker 2: start writing things down, keeping you know, keeping notes of
Speaker 2: things that I do. And it said, what do you
Speaker 2: think you are? A detective? You know, and just made
Speaker 2: it like this whole big thing out of it. And
Speaker 2: all I was trying to do was prove a point
Speaker 2: to him that you know that you're just sook. You'd
Speaker 2: go up, you sulk the two to three weeks, and
Speaker 2: I have to live with you like that. I don't
Speaker 2: want to live with someone like that. He just drag
Speaker 2: this thing out and make me suffer. That was what
Speaker 2: it was. It was suffering.
Speaker 1: Did he ever physically hurt you?
Speaker 2: He had done. It wasn't a regular thing. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like you know you have about domestic violence and it happens,
Speaker 2: you know, day in day out, that typic thing. Though
Speaker 2: not ever like that. But he did, Yes, yes he was.
Speaker 2: It was one night we'd been out. This is the
Speaker 2: main one that sticks in my head because the other
Speaker 2: ones were just little, when I say little, compared to
Speaker 2: this one. We'd been up with my sister and her partner,
Speaker 2: her boyfriend for dinner and they were driving, so they
Speaker 2: dropped us home and I must have said something or
Speaker 2: done something during the night that didn't like I can't
Speaker 2: remember what it was, now, but I knew he was
Speaker 2: cranky with me all the way home in the car.
Speaker 2: I knew he wouldn't speak to me, and I just
Speaker 2: kept getting filthy looks from him, and even my sister
Speaker 2: like she kept looking back over and you know, are
Speaker 2: you okay? And yeah, you know. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: make a seen in front of them. We got home
Speaker 2: and I don't know how i'd ended up, but I
Speaker 2: ended up in my son's bedroom, and I think I
Speaker 2: might have been going to go and sleep in there
Speaker 2: for the night to get away from him. And he
Speaker 2: came in and he just pushed me back on the
Speaker 2: bed and he was like punching into me while I
Speaker 2: was on the bed, and my sister knew that something
Speaker 2: was going to happen, so she came up knocked on
Speaker 2: the front door, and that's the reason he stopped. It
Speaker 2: happened over thirteen years, probably three times. So And I
Speaker 2: also said to you about domestic violence. I grew up
Speaker 2: with it, so that's how I saw domestic violence, how
Speaker 2: my father was. So what Kevin did to me was
Speaker 2: nothing like what my mother went through. So you know,
Speaker 2: now I'm older and I understand domestic violence better. I
Speaker 2: see that it was domestic violence, but his was more emotional,
Speaker 2: more what's the word. I'm looking for COEs of control. Yes,
Speaker 2: controlling that type of domestic violence. See, I didn't even
Speaker 2: know that existed before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did he try and control you?
Speaker 2: Well, he bought me my first mobile phone so that
Speaker 2: he could keep track of me. I thought he was
Speaker 2: being really nice and buying me a mobile phone, and
Speaker 2: it was so he could know where I was all
Speaker 2: the time, because he knows, well, he knew saying he knows,
Speaker 2: he knew that I wasn't a good liar. So if
Speaker 2: he rang me and I wasn't where I was supposed
Speaker 2: to be, he knew that I wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: lie about it. I would stutter or stagger, you know,
Speaker 2: like just not be able to think like that. Well, I'm,
Speaker 2: you know, here where I'm supposed to be, you know,
Speaker 2: I just knew that he knew that I wasn't where
Speaker 2: I was supposed to be. And it might have just
Speaker 2: been that I'd left where I was supposed to be
Speaker 2: early and called him to see a friend or something
Speaker 2: like that, But no, I wasn't where I was supposed
Speaker 2: to be. So controlling otherways, well, money, he controlled money.
Speaker 2: He didn't want me to work. That was the one
Speaker 2: thing he didn't want me to work. So while I
Speaker 2: wasn't working, he had the money, and I used to
Speaker 2: sayed him and even made up a name for it.
Speaker 2: I called momo money of my own? Can I have some?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: So, I've got some money in my wallet, you know,
Speaker 2: if I want to go and buy something you want,
Speaker 2: you said, well, where do you want to go? What
Speaker 2: do you want to buy? I'll get it for you,
Speaker 2: you know. So he just didn't want me to be
Speaker 2: out and about and all that sort of thing. So
Speaker 2: and I ended up going back to work anyway. I
Speaker 2: thought he's not going to get the better of me
Speaker 2: with that one, so I just you know, And he
Speaker 2: didn't like it, but he got used to it and
Speaker 2: he was okay with it in the end.
Speaker 1: So how fearful were you of him during your relationship.
Speaker 2: Most of the time? Not, That's the strange thing about it.
Speaker 2: Most of the time. Not until he had one of
Speaker 2: his snaps, and that that's when I was scared then.
Speaker 2: But most of the time, no, I wasn't scared. We
Speaker 2: got on really really well together. We could sit and
Speaker 2: talk for hours and never run out of conversation. There
Speaker 2: was always a thing too, if we were out anywhere,
Speaker 2: any guy looked at me, if he like I might
Speaker 2: have noticed that any guy looked at me. He would
Speaker 2: notice that some guy was looking at me, and he'd
Speaker 2: get really angry at that. And I'd said, I can't
Speaker 2: control what other people do. Do you want me to
Speaker 2: go to every single man in the place and say,
Speaker 2: do not look at me at all. You know that
Speaker 2: I'm going to look like a nutcase, you know, just
Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything to attract like making them look
Speaker 2: at me. Just control yourself. He would just get so
Speaker 2: angry if anybody ever looked at me. So he was
Speaker 2: quite jealous, very jealous, very very jealous. Yes, extremely jealous. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just tell me how to wear my hair. Don't wear
Speaker 2: it this way because that looks too nice. You only
Speaker 2: wear it like that when you're with me.
Speaker 1: Can you talk me through any of the moments where
Speaker 1: you were fearful of Kevin?
Speaker 2: Oh, that night when my sister knocked on the door
Speaker 2: that night, I was extremely fearful.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 1: Yes, did he ever threaten you?
Speaker 2: Yes, he did threaten me. He threatened to if I
Speaker 2: ever left him, he would hunt me down and find me.
Speaker 2: He would cut me up in little pieces, bury me
Speaker 2: on the beach. In individual spots to cover me in
Speaker 2: lime so nobody could smell that there was body parts there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then there was another time. Now we were either
Speaker 2: going down to Nur because Kevin worked down at n Hora,
Speaker 2: but that was later and I'm not sure why we
Speaker 2: were going to Nour. I just I can't remember why
Speaker 2: we were going there. But we drove past GIRoA Beach
Speaker 2: and I mentioned as we'd driven past, and said, that's
Speaker 2: a really nice caravan park on that side. I said,
Speaker 2: what a lovely spot to have a caravan park, because
Speaker 2: she just got to walk across the road and there's
Speaker 2: seven mile beach there, like that would be a fun
Speaker 2: place to take a family like to go and stay there.
Speaker 2: And he said to me, and I said, look at
Speaker 2: all that bush there, and he said, yeah, look at
Speaker 2: all that bush there. He said, that'd be a good
Speaker 2: place to bury somebody. Just make sure you behave yourself.
Speaker 2: And that's what he said to me then. So then
Speaker 2: I sort of didn't think much of it at the time,
Speaker 2: as things sort of happened over the years, so I
Speaker 2: thought more about it.
Speaker 1: Rochelle was killed by someone she knew. His burnt body
Speaker 1: was found on a lonely South Coast Road found in
Speaker 1: bush in GIRoA.
Speaker 2: She was murdered.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about him when he said this?
Speaker 1: Were you in a car with him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just driving along. It was just we
Speaker 2: weren't arguing, hadn't been an argument. There was no reason
Speaker 2: for him to say something like that. But that was
Speaker 2: the type of thing that Kevin could just say offhandedly,
Speaker 2: you know, quite often. Yeah, it's just I don't even
Speaker 2: know why he's why he would think said that at
Speaker 2: that time. There's nothing that I can remember. As I said,
Speaker 2: I know, we definitely were not arguing at that time,
Speaker 2: so there was no reason for him to say that.
Speaker 2: But he would say strange things like that, and I
Speaker 2: sometimes I just said to him, where did that come from?
Speaker 2: Why did you think of that? Like it would have
Speaker 2: nothing to do with what was happening around us at
Speaker 2: that moment, but he would just come off with offhanded
Speaker 2: things like that.
Speaker 1: So the particular threat where he said he was going
Speaker 1: to chop you up and bury you on a beach,
Speaker 1: and this other threat of you'll end up in there
Speaker 1: there was Arilla Beach actually that's where he picked How
Speaker 1: clear is that in your mind?
Speaker 2: The Warrilla beach is the most clearest because that was
Speaker 2: actually describing what he would do to me, So of
Speaker 2: course that stuck with me. The giau of Beach one
Speaker 2: was more of a like an offhanded thing. Even though
Speaker 2: I remember it, it wasn't something that terrified me. You know.
Speaker 2: It was just like, I'd better watch what I say
Speaker 2: then or I'll end up there. But it was more
Speaker 2: of me thinking that was a joke thing at that time,
Speaker 2: because that was the first time he'd ever said it
Speaker 2: to me. The beach one was, you know, he's telling
Speaker 2: me he's going to cut me up in little pieces
Speaker 2: and dig holes all over Rula Beach and bury me
Speaker 2: and put lime on me. I thought lime was to
Speaker 2: dissolve a body, but apparently it's to stop the smell.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he knew that. I've never forgotten it,
Speaker 2: never ever forgotten it.
Speaker 1: Do you have a memory of what year or month
Speaker 1: he threatened you the.
Speaker 2: Rule of beach one. I know we were living in
Speaker 2: our house. We were there from ninety three, well I
Speaker 2: was there from ninety three till ninety seven, so it
Speaker 2: was in that time. Then I couldn't say exactly when.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to nineteen eighty three. Is that when
Speaker 1: you met Kevin.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was towards the end of eighty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by this stage Kevin had been accused of serious
Speaker 1: sex assaults. When did you first hear that he'd been
Speaker 1: accused of sexual assaults?
Speaker 2: Not very long into dating, I would say within the
Speaker 2: first year. He started to tell me a few things
Speaker 2: here and there. Yeah, he wasn't guilty of it that,
Speaker 2: you know, Just I asked him to explain, like, what happened?
Speaker 2: What was going on? You had this all come about?
Speaker 2: And it was all to do with apparently, this is
Speaker 2: what he told me. He was dating someone high up
Speaker 2: in the police force. He was dating one of their daughters,
Speaker 2: and this father didn't like Kevin, so he's determined to
Speaker 2: get him out of his daughter's life, and so he
Speaker 2: started to make up all these accusations about him, that
Speaker 2: he Roger Rogerson was involved in it. And I don't
Speaker 2: even know where that came from. Why he thought it.
Speaker 2: Maybe Roger Rogerson was in the news at that time.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, but he just wound this big
Speaker 2: story that I believed. It sounded very believable, so I
Speaker 2: believed him that he wasn't guilty. That was all circumstantial
Speaker 2: evidence against him. And yeah, this this is how this
Speaker 2: high up policeman was going to get rid of him
Speaker 2: out of his daughter's life.
Speaker 1: In that time. You clearly believed him, Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did. I believed one hundred percent that he
Speaker 2: was not guilty. Absolutely, I believe that. Yeah, he had
Speaker 2: me totally convinced. I went to a court case with him.
Speaker 1: The alleged victim has spoken to the podcast and we've
Speaker 1: called her Nicole.
Speaker 3: The knock at the door, I opened it and it
Speaker 3: was bam, instant melaclava. The knife was held up here.
Speaker 3: He pushed me back. He told me that into the
Speaker 3: bedroom and get my clothes off. He just came straight
Speaker 3: at me and it was just closed, hard fist.
Speaker 2: And I just went down.
Speaker 3: It was like I just went smacked down on the bed.
Speaker 1: Did you believe Nicole had been attacked when you sat
Speaker 1: there in the courtroom.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I believe she'd been attacked, But I didn't
Speaker 2: believe she'd been attacked by Kevin. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a case of mistaken identity.
Speaker 3: Remember them saying that they have to go and have
Speaker 3: a look at the munk shots and to don't worry
Speaker 3: if you see him in the photos, it'll just jump
Speaker 3: right out, an't you. And that's exactly what happened when
Speaker 3: I was looking through all the photos. It just jumped, Yeah,
Speaker 3: literally jumped.
Speaker 1: And what led you to believe that she'd got it.
Speaker 2: Wrong when she was asked by Kevin's solicitor. Obviously there
Speaker 2: was a whole lot of questions beforehand, but it came
Speaker 2: up to what he was wearing on that day, and
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure she said it was a sleeveless T shirt,
Speaker 2: like a tank top, that type of thing. And then
Speaker 2: his solicitor asked her, so, did he have any markings
Speaker 2: on him, like track marks or tattoos or anything like that,
Speaker 2: and she said, no, he had nothing on his arms.
Speaker 2: And that's when I knew that it wasn't Kevin, because
Speaker 2: Kevin had tattoos on his arms and he'd been having
Speaker 2: them removed. This was before I had met him, been
Speaker 2: having them removed. And the scars were actually worse than
Speaker 2: what did the tattoo look like. They were very raised
Speaker 2: and lumpy, and they looked like burns. So even if
Speaker 2: she didn't see tattoos, she would have seen burn marks
Speaker 2: on him. Just knew that. I thought, well, that it's
Speaker 2: not Kevin, So I knew one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: What do you believe now?
Speaker 2: I believe it was him. I can still remember when
Speaker 2: the jury came back and one of the juris that
Speaker 2: was a lady Dura, and I think she must have
Speaker 2: known who I was, even though I was just sitting
Speaker 2: in the audience. She at me and gave me a smile,
Speaker 2: So I knew that he was going to be not
Speaker 2: found guilty.
Speaker 1: And how has that played on your mind over the years.
Speaker 2: I I just can't believe I was with somebody like that.
Speaker 2: I just as I said, if I knew back then
Speaker 2: what I know now, there's no way I especially would
Speaker 2: never have taken my children into a relationship like that.
Speaker 1: When you marry Kevin, what was his name Cornwall? And
Speaker 1: how long after? Your marriage did not be changed?
Speaker 2: Very long after? I was only actually Cornwall was on
Speaker 2: my marriage certificate. But basically straight away we use the
Speaker 2: name Correll.
Speaker 1: Do you know why he chose the name Correll?
Speaker 2: Which I think it was just something he thought up.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he'd ever heard anywhere, because he
Speaker 2: just said to me, I've chosen a name that I'm
Speaker 2: going to change my name to And I said what
Speaker 2: is it? And he said Correll And I said, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's a nicer name than Cornwall. I didn't like the
Speaker 2: name Cornwall.
Speaker 1: Did he tell you why he wanted to change his name.
Speaker 2: Because of all the things that had been going on before,
Speaker 2: so he could start afresh, have a clean slate, It
Speaker 2: would not be associated with the name Cornwall whatsoever. Basically, yes,
Speaker 2: so it would be easier to get a job and
Speaker 2: that type of thing, just to have a clean, fresh start.
Speaker 1: How convincing was Kevin?
Speaker 2: Extremely, Like I've never known anybody in my life that
Speaker 2: could tell a story so convincingly that there was no
Speaker 2: margin of err out there that you just go, that
Speaker 2: doesn't sound right. It was I don't know how where
Speaker 2: it came from, how he figured the sort of stuff
Speaker 2: out that he could make it so convincingly.
Speaker 1: And how quickly could Kevin come up with a story that.
Speaker 2: Quick, snap my fingers that quick that We'd be with
Speaker 2: friends and I we'd be talking and out of the
Speaker 2: blue would come this lie And I think, how did
Speaker 2: you think of that light so quick? Like it's not
Speaker 2: like you knew what the conversation was going to be
Speaker 2: about beforehand. But in the blink of an eye he
Speaker 2: made up this lie. And as I said, I knew
Speaker 2: when he was lying because what he's telling the lie,
Speaker 2: he had his hand over his mouth, and I thought,
Speaker 2: you're lying. That never happened. And I'd say to him
Speaker 2: later on, why did you say that lie? He said,
Speaker 2: sounded like a good story, you know, just made the
Speaker 2: night more interesting, Just something flippant like that.
Speaker 1: Just when did it become apparent to you that he
Speaker 1: was a liar?
Speaker 2: That took a while for me to get that through
Speaker 2: my thick head. Yeah, that did take a while, I guess,
Speaker 2: just the it happened, the more I just realized. You know,
Speaker 2: I never understood why he had to tell lies. People
Speaker 2: liked him for who he was, so he didn't have
Speaker 2: to tell lies and make himself sound better or bigger
Speaker 2: than what he was. He didn't need to do that.
Speaker 2: There was no need to do that. People liked him
Speaker 2: just the way that he was. So it was just
Speaker 2: I never understood why he did it. It was like
Speaker 2: it was born in him and he couldn't help himself.
Speaker 2: That's just the way he was.
Speaker 1: How did you respond when some of these rape allegations
Speaker 1: were broadcast on national television.
Speaker 2: This is Michael Willisey speaking.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did you participate in an interview with Mike Willersey?
Speaker 1: How did that come about?
Speaker 2: They were doing their primos, obviously for the Willasey Show,
Speaker 2: and then I watched the very first Willisey Show, and
Speaker 2: at that stage I believed everything Kevin had said to me,
Speaker 2: and they were bringing up things that I thought were lies.
Speaker 2: So I rang the Willisey Show and said, you know
Speaker 2: you're telling lies on national TV about this man. You
Speaker 2: know it's none of it's true. So they asked me
Speaker 2: to come in and do an interview with them, which now,
Speaker 2: when I think back, I wish I'd never done that interview.
Speaker 2: I was just young and blinded and just just swept
Speaker 2: up in the whole Kevin Aura thing.
Speaker 1: Do you regret that you protected him back year?
Speaker 2: Is absolutely absolutely? I do. Yeah, As I said, if
Speaker 2: i'd known then what I know now, there's no way.
Speaker 1: When did you decide that you had to leave Kevin?
Speaker 2: That was in nineteen ninety seven, Yeah, I'd had enough.
Speaker 2: I just I want to say that I had a
Speaker 2: nice life. I had a beautiful house, I had nice car,
Speaker 2: I had nice clothes, I had everything, but I just
Speaker 2: could not live like I was walking on eggshells all
Speaker 2: the time. It just was really starting to get to me.
Speaker 2: I just did not want to be there anymore. And
Speaker 2: I walked out, basically with a couple of suitcases of
Speaker 2: clothes and a couple of boxes. I just left everything
Speaker 2: everything there, furniture, everything, everything. I just left. That was it.
Speaker 1: And did he try and get you back?
Speaker 2: Obviously I knew that was going to be on the
Speaker 2: cards because he'd done that before. So I went overseas
Speaker 2: and I stayed over there for two years in the
Speaker 2: hope that he would move on and forget about me,
Speaker 2: and then I could come back and just lived my
Speaker 2: life here without him. Did that happen? Well, yes, I
Speaker 2: went overseas and he'd still tried to find me. I
Speaker 2: found out, you know, through family members and that he
Speaker 2: was looking for me. He would likely being no stone
Speaker 2: unturned trying to find me, and he didn't. So and
Speaker 2: two years I thought, well, I'll go back and just
Speaker 2: see what happens. I could always leave again if I
Speaker 2: had to, and he'd obviously moved on.
Speaker 1: And yeah, were you fearful of Kevin when you decided
Speaker 1: that you were going to leave him.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I was with my staying at my mum's
Speaker 2: place for six weeks before I left to go overseas.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would not walk out of the house without checking
Speaker 2: left and right and making sure there was no cars
Speaker 2: hanging around that shouldn't be there. I used to walk
Speaker 2: every day, what a good two hours, and I'd be
Speaker 2: looking over my shoulder all the time. If a car
Speaker 2: would slow down behind me, I'd check and make sure
Speaker 2: it wasn't him. It was very, very fearful for me.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't only fearful for me. I was fearful
Speaker 2: he might do something to one of my family members.
Speaker 1: As you said yourself, you've known Kevin probably the longest
Speaker 1: out of anyone outside of his own family.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What makes him so dangerous.
Speaker 2: The fact that he can just snap. It's like he's
Speaker 2: got a dark passenger or something living inside him, and
Speaker 2: the switch clicks and the dark passenger takes over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's scary to watch it actually, to see when that happens, because,
Speaker 2: as I said, his face changes, it contorts, it's not
Speaker 2: his face. And I even told him, I said, after
Speaker 2: one of those incidents, is a couple of weeks later
Speaker 2: or whatever. I said, your whole face changes. I said,
Speaker 2: it's ugly. It's an ugly face. And he was shocked.
Speaker 2: He was absolutely shocked that I would say that about
Speaker 2: him and that his face would change that way. I said,
Speaker 2: I can't explain it to you, Kevin, I said, you
Speaker 2: do not look like yourself when this face takes over.
Speaker 2: It is like it's another person's face. That was very scary.
Speaker 1: Did you get an understanding of what triggered him?
Speaker 2: It could be anything. It was so hard to pinpoint
Speaker 2: what not to say or what not to do. It
Speaker 2: could be anything that he didn't like. And who knows
Speaker 2: what everybody like, you know, anybody likes it at any
Speaker 2: particular time. It would just you know, it could just
Speaker 2: be a word. So if you can imagine an angel
Speaker 2: all of a sudden turning black, you know, if you
Speaker 2: can see that picture, You've got an angel floating in
Speaker 2: front of you and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 2: goes black and ugly. That's the only picture.
Speaker 1: Had he ever change while you were in a car
Speaker 1: with him?
Speaker 2: Actually, I can remember him smack him in the face
Speaker 2: ones when we were driving, but I don't remember where
Speaker 2: we were going or what we were doing. Just just
Speaker 2: the memory came back to me. He was driving because
Speaker 2: he had a ring on. I think it was a
Speaker 2: black stone, might have been Onyx or something like that.
Speaker 2: Any pun shmun left a mark behind my ear for
Speaker 2: about a week. Yeah, he got me sort of right there.
Speaker 2: That the longer we were together, the more he started
Speaker 2: to show him his true self. He couldn't keep covering
Speaker 2: it up, he couldn't keep hiding it. It would come
Speaker 2: out more and more. But I will say the time,
Speaker 2: the whole time that we were together, I did not
Speaker 2: know of Kevin doing anything to anybody. Ever. He would
Speaker 2: go to work, he was a workaholic, he would come home.
Speaker 2: He didn't frequent pubs or clubs. I mean we would
Speaker 2: go to clubs together, obviously, and we would see bands
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but he was not a pub goer,
Speaker 2: not a huge heavy drinker. I mean we both drank,
Speaker 2: but not you know, to the point where he was
Speaker 2: a drunk or doing it a day in and day out.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that. Just I think he was a calm,
Speaker 2: fairly calm person with me compared to what I know
Speaker 2: him to be now. I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to put it into words, but I
Speaker 2: think I had a calming effect on him, and that's
Speaker 2: why he didn't get into any trouble in the time
Speaker 2: that we were married. There was nothing, ever, ever, that
Speaker 2: was brought up or happened while we were married.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to get your insights about the relationship between
Speaker 1: a young woman who would have looked up to someone
Speaker 1: like Kevin in the workplace and how much they trusted him.
Speaker 1: Could he be capable of abusing that trust?
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. It'd work with quite a few young girls
Speaker 2: over the years, and I couldn't tell you what the
Speaker 2: roles were of these girls, but I can remember one
Speaker 2: day and I'm trying to think of the name of
Speaker 2: the car Yad. I'd gone down to see him about something,
Speaker 2: and I walked into his office and he was in
Speaker 2: there with this young girl and they were having lunch,
Speaker 2: and straight away I knew exactly what Kevin he was
Speaker 2: flirting with her. I knew that something was going on,
Speaker 2: so I just Okay, I'll see you later, and I
Speaker 2: just left. I I was just horrified and shocked. There
Speaker 2: was another time when he had his own kyard, which
Speaker 2: was the Okay corral and i'd gone there. I walked
Speaker 2: into his office again and there was this young girl
Speaker 2: in there having lunch together. Now, normally you don't do
Speaker 2: that with your yard person. They eat outside or you've
Speaker 2: got somewhere else for them to eat. But being that
Speaker 2: it was just a small car out of the okay,
Speaker 2: were they just having lunch together? But he said something
Speaker 2: to me, and I to this day I cannot remember,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying. I've tried so hard to remember what
Speaker 2: it was that gave me the idea that there was
Speaker 2: something going on here. And I just left, and I
Speaker 2: can still remember because I had a brand new car
Speaker 2: and I backed out of the driveway the car and
Speaker 2: I just spun my wheels and left. And it was
Speaker 2: first time I've ever spun my wheels in my life.
Speaker 2: And I was so angry about something. But honest to God,
Speaker 2: I cannot remember what it was.
Speaker 1: When did you hear about Rochelle's murder?
Speaker 2: I got a phone call from my sister that the
Speaker 2: police had been to. My sister lived at my mother's
Speaker 2: place and the police had been there and they said
Speaker 2: it's to do with a murder. And my sister was
Speaker 2: just and my mum was absolutely shocked. You know they now,
Speaker 2: I would never have heard it anybody. But anyway, my
Speaker 2: sister rang and said, you know, the police want to
Speaker 2: talk to you about this murder and give me a
Speaker 2: phone number for you to ring. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I as far as I could remember, I had not
Speaker 2: heard about the Rochelle Charles's case. I might have seen
Speaker 2: it on the news and not really paid attention to
Speaker 2: it or you know whatever, but I had not heard
Speaker 2: about it until then when I rang the police and
Speaker 2: they told me that it would say they were looking
Speaker 2: into Kevin. What year was that, two thousand and three?
Speaker 1: And did you talk to police?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: I did, Yes, They came out and visited me. Actually
Speaker 2: they were probably there for about half an hour and
Speaker 2: I didn't hear from them again until it came up
Speaker 2: about a sheet that they'd found and the way they
Speaker 2: put it across. And I don't know if I read
Speaker 2: it in a newspaper or heard it on the news,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure now, but it was an unusual sheet.
Speaker 2: And I remember this sheet that I had that was
Speaker 2: one of my mum's and she had it for a
Speaker 2: long long time, and it was a double bed, pure
Speaker 2: linen sheet. And linen back then was different to what
Speaker 2: linen sheets are now. It was a very heavy, thick material,
Speaker 2: and I knew I had one of those, and I'd
Speaker 2: left that behind when I'd left Kevin, and so that
Speaker 2: made me think, an unusual sheet. Well, there's not that
Speaker 2: many of those around anymore, so I thought it might
Speaker 2: have been that sheet. So I rang the police and
Speaker 2: they said, can we bring it out and you have
Speaker 2: a look. And as soon as I saw it, I
Speaker 2: knew it wasn't the sheet that I was thinking about,
Speaker 2: and I said, no, that's not the sheet I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about that. To me, that just looked like an everyday sheet.
Speaker 2: So I said no. So they left and then maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe six months later or something, they
Speaker 2: come out and visited again and wanted to have a chat.
Speaker 2: And I really can't remember anything much about the questions
Speaker 2: that they asked me, other than what kind of videos
Speaker 2: Kevin liked to watch. That's the only thing I can
Speaker 2: actually remember that They asked.
Speaker 1: Me, did you go and do a formal statement?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Were you called to give evidence at the US?
Speaker 2: I was not.
Speaker 1: Did that surprise you would also?
Speaker 2: Absolutely being that I'm probably the person that knewing the
Speaker 2: best out of anybody. You know, I spent thirteen years
Speaker 2: with him. Don't know anybody else that spent that long
Speaker 2: with him other than his parents.
Speaker 1: Were you shocked in the sense that he was being
Speaker 1: investigated over a murder?
Speaker 2: No, not really, not in that sense.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: When police speaking to you about your relationship with Kevin,
Speaker 1: were you forthcoming with how he treated you?
Speaker 2: They didn't ask me. As far as I remember, they
Speaker 2: did not ask me. My mind was in a total
Speaker 2: fog with all that. I just I couldn't believe that
Speaker 2: poor girl was not yere anymore.
Speaker 1: Could you have been in a state of shock that
Speaker 1: you didn't feel comfortable in that moment to be forthcoming
Speaker 1: about his threats?
Speaker 2: And more than likely because I haven't really told anybody
Speaker 2: about them. I know I never told my mother any
Speaker 2: of that. She would have been absolutely devastated. I told
Speaker 2: I might have told my daughter, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just the only person I've really told is my partner. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's who I remember. I definitely know I've told. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I keep stuff like that to myself. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a very like the Royal family. Never never explain.
Speaker 2: I never complained, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: So what's prompted you to speak now?
Speaker 2: Just as a mother?
Speaker 1: Yes, these are difficult things to discuss. I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry you're going through this and you are willing to
Speaker 1: speak so freely about about that time in your life.
Speaker 2: It was a time I tried. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: forget it. I tried so hard to forget it. I'm
Speaker 2: embarrassed and ashamed that I even is.
Speaker 1: With him, Alice, You've done nothing wrong.
Speaker 5: I just that poor girl, her parents, especially a mom.
Speaker 2: Her sister. I'm a sister, I'm a mother, and I
Speaker 2: would that had happened to someone I loved. I would
Speaker 2: want someone like me to come forward.
Speaker 1: You're being incredibly brave to speak out and talk.
Speaker 2: About I feel I feel sometimes like it's my fault.
Speaker 2: I thought I'd brought it all on myself by being
Speaker 2: young and stupid, and I was a single mom for
Speaker 2: quite a while, and I was so happy to have
Speaker 2: someone in my life that was going to help me.
Speaker 2: That that's what it felt like to start with that.
Speaker 2: That certainly changed later on because he was not nice
Speaker 2: to my kids at all. He started off very as
Speaker 2: to them. He had them totally fooled as well. And
Speaker 2: then he showed his true colors there as well. And
Speaker 2: I will never forgive him to that. He put a
Speaker 2: wedge between.
Speaker 6: My kids at night. That took a long chime. It
Speaker 6: took a long time to me.
Speaker 2: To repair it.
Speaker 7: Get a stake, let's have a break, Okay.
Speaker 1: What sort of a father was Kevin.
Speaker 2: He was a very loving dad with his kids. He
Speaker 2: was very attentive towards them, probably too much. He was
Speaker 2: a bit overbearing with them, but yeah, he was. I
Speaker 2: would say he's a good daddy. He's very good with
Speaker 2: small children, not so good with older children.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me about his family?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're an entity on their own. That family, I
Speaker 2: just say, I've never ever met another family like it.
Speaker 2: I don't particularly want to meet another family like it.
Speaker 2: Just a very strange, very strange group of people. Things
Speaker 2: that were set around the lunch table and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That just absolutely shocked me. I don't actually think they
Speaker 2: were a family like everybody thinks of a family. As
Speaker 2: I said, they're in an entity of all on their own.
Speaker 1: I was interested to ask Elise what memories she had
Speaker 1: of Kevin's brother, Raymond Cornwall. She was married to Kevin
Speaker 1: when police arrested him for a series of sex attacks,
Speaker 1: including the rape of a thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've met Raymond of God. Yeah. Never really liked Raymond.
Speaker 2: He always seemed very sleezy to me. I remember one
Speaker 2: day I was in their dining room and the dining
Speaker 2: table and Raymond was sitting there and I was standing
Speaker 2: to his left and I had a pair of short
Speaker 2: shorts on because I was quite slim back then, and
Speaker 2: he just run his hand up the back of my leg,
Speaker 2: and you know, it made me jump away, and I
Speaker 2: knocked his hand and I said, raym and don't do that.
Speaker 2: And Ken said, what did you do? I said, rub
Speaker 2: his hand up my leg, and he just laughed. He
Speaker 2: thought it was funny, and the whole family laughed. They
Speaker 2: thought it was funny. I didn't think it was funny,
Speaker 2: Just sleazy things like that. Yeah. The only thing I
Speaker 2: ever saw that was really strange with Raymond was he
Speaker 2: came home from work one day, he went into his
Speaker 2: bedroom and he didn't come out for twelve months, only
Speaker 2: to have a shower and eat. That was it. He
Speaker 2: stayed in his bedroom for twelve months. And then I
Speaker 2: found out later on obviously it was because the police
Speaker 2: were looking for him.
Speaker 1: And when they found him, Raymond confessed to his sickening
Speaker 1: crimes and went on to spend most of the next
Speaker 1: two decades behind bars. And what about Kevin's dad.
Speaker 2: He was a sane He was a sleeve as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you had to give him a kiss on the cheek
Speaker 2: when you came in. So you go to give him
Speaker 2: a kiss on the cheek and he turned his face
Speaker 2: and tried to stick his tongue down your throat, and
Speaker 2: everybody laughed at that. They all thought that was really funny.
Speaker 1: How many siblings does Kevin have?
Speaker 2: Twelve? There was thirteen of them, and have any of
Speaker 2: them passed? I only know if his younger brother, Victor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he committed suicide while I was with Kevin.
Speaker 1: Did that come as a shock his suicide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually it did because he had two or three
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if there was three children. I think
Speaker 2: he might have had three very young children at that stage.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it did shock me.
Speaker 1: What sort of a stepfather was Kevin started, Well.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a step father to them then, but when
Speaker 2: we were first dating and that he was wonderful with
Speaker 2: my kids. He was Yeah, he s bought them rotten.
Speaker 2: They thought he was the ant pants. He was just
Speaker 2: wonderful to them, and then he just slowly started to
Speaker 2: turn on them, and the majority of it went to
Speaker 2: my son. I don't know why he chose to do
Speaker 2: that to my son. Maybe it was a personality conflict.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I could. I don't understand that because
Speaker 2: he was the adult and my son was only seven
Speaker 2: years old, you know, that's how old he was when
Speaker 2: actually Kevin was at his seventh birthday, so he was
Speaker 2: just turning seven. And yeah, he changed towards my kids
Speaker 2: and he was just he was better towards my daughter,
Speaker 2: but still he could be very, very nasty. He bought
Speaker 2: her a bedroom set at one stage, and then he
Speaker 2: got really angry with her over something I can't remember
Speaker 2: what it was. So he sold her bedroom set and
Speaker 2: then he brought it back for her, and when they
Speaker 2: made up, like bought a similar one. It wasn't the
Speaker 2: same one back, but he bought another bedroom set for her,
Speaker 2: you know, just things like making sure their life wasn't
Speaker 2: on an even keel. He was up and down and
Speaker 2: up and down. It was. Yeah, he was really horrible
Speaker 2: to them, really horrible to them.
Speaker 1: How would you describe the Kevin Carrell that you learned
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: With sneaky, conniving, a liar, then, on the other hand, charismatic, funny, charming, generous,
Speaker 2: fun to be around. Everybody liked him. I don't think
Speaker 2: I ever met a person while I was with him
Speaker 2: that did not like him. In our friend group that
Speaker 2: we made. I knew there were people obviously that didn't
Speaker 2: like Kevin from before I knew him, because he just
Speaker 2: had this thing that he could he could just weave
Speaker 2: this little magic spell over people somehow, and yeah, everybody
Speaker 2: thought he was a great guy.
Speaker 1: Is there any way you can put into words of
Speaker 1: how much hurt and pain Kevin has caused you and
Speaker 1: your loved ones?
Speaker 2: There? I know what's But if I could go back,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here because I would never have known him.
Speaker 2: I would I mean, I would have known him, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been ever been with him. And if
Speaker 2: I had listened to other people, I still wouldn't be
Speaker 2: here today because I wouldn't have been with him. But
Speaker 2: I wouldn't listen to other people. I thought I knew better.
Speaker 2: I thought I was an adult and I wasn't I was.
Speaker 2: I was too easily influenced, and yeah, I just it
Speaker 2: would not have happened. If if I was a person
Speaker 2: then what I am today, that would never have happened.
Speaker 1: When you think about Rochelle and the victim in this story,
Speaker 1: how does it leave your feeling devastated.
Speaker 2: From day one? I just I've thought about that poor
Speaker 2: girls so many times over the years.
Speaker 1: Now we have one of the members.
Speaker 2: Of Rocky's team, ye and the other and as I
Speaker 2: set before, as a mum and as a sister, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine what they've been going through. And if that
Speaker 2: was someone I loved and it had been going on
Speaker 2: this long, I would absolutely be beside myself and I
Speaker 2: would pray that somebody would come forward that could help.
Speaker 2: And that's why I wanted to do this. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to do this by any means. I thought about
Speaker 2: not doing it. I just couldn't stand the thought of
Speaker 2: thought that poor mother and her sister and her father
Speaker 2: are going through with this. I just thought if I
Speaker 2: could help in any little way, any little way at all,
Speaker 2: then I wanted to do that. It'd be probably one
Speaker 2: of the good things that I've done in my life.
Speaker 1: Was Kevin a misogynist. How did he view women? I
Speaker 1: think he had a very low opinion of women, very much. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't think he liked women in general.
Speaker 2: I really don't. I think he found them probably threatening.
Speaker 2: I think he thought they were second class citizens. I
Speaker 2: think he thought we were just he put on earth
Speaker 2: for men. Yeah, that was my impression I got from
Speaker 2: him over the years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Would you be willing to talk to police now about
Speaker 1: your relationship with Kevin and those threats?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely. I don't have that fear that I
Speaker 2: had before. I mean, I'm still worried about what is
Speaker 2: going to think when he hears this, But he's older now,
Speaker 2: so I don't have and I'm stronger, so I don't
Speaker 2: have that fear that I used to have.
Speaker 1: What would you say to anyone that is holding back
Speaker 1: information from police?
Speaker 2: Please don't. It's hard. I know it's hard, especially if
Speaker 2: you were close to Kevin. You don't owe him anything,
Speaker 2: You don't owe him any loyalty whatsoever. He would never
Speaker 2: do that for you. He would just help bring justice
Speaker 2: for Michelle, for her sister, for her mother and her
Speaker 2: father and anybody else that loved Rochelle. Just give them
Speaker 2: peace of mind.
Speaker 1: I've got something to show you you ready.
Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Christie, I'm Rochelle's sister. I just wanted to
Speaker 4: send you a message just to thank you for being
Speaker 4: willing to talk about your relationship and your experiences with Kevin,
Speaker 4: which I can only imagine it's going to be hard
Speaker 4: to relive. So thank you so much for doing.
Speaker 2: This for Michelle.
Speaker 3: We really really appreciate your.
Speaker 4: Support, and so does my mum. It's women like you
Speaker 4: who make our team really, really strong, and I just
Speaker 4: really thank you for standing up and standing with us.
Speaker 4: And I just think you're incredibly fucking brave. So welcome
Speaker 4: to Teamshell.
Speaker 2: That's lovely.
Speaker 1: Do you feel proud of yourself for doing this?
Speaker 2: I just don't feel proud. I don't feel proud. I
Speaker 2: feel I feel like I am trying to find the words.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm giving or helping, helping get them
Speaker 2: a gift, hopefully the gift for a solution. You know
Speaker 2: that they can maybe sleep a little bit better at night.
Speaker 2: And as has said, it's coming way too late, way
Speaker 2: way too late. They should have had this a long
Speaker 2: time ago, and somebody should have been paying for it
Speaker 2: a long time ago. To have had all those years
Speaker 2: out there just living their life the way that you know,
Speaker 2: not missing out on anything, and Rashel missed out on everything.
Speaker 1: You've shown so much courage having this discussion with me
Speaker 1: about a traumatic time in your life, and we are
Speaker 1: extremely grateful.
Speaker 2: The worst part of is now I'm going to think
Speaker 2: about it all over again, and I was trying to
Speaker 2: get over it. That's the hard part for me, because
Speaker 2: I just I never wanted to think about him again.
Speaker 2: And I can honestly say he might have over the
Speaker 2: last twenty eight years popped into my head maybe half
Speaker 2: a dozen times if that, and the only reason of
Speaker 2: that is because of this case. Otherwise I would not
Speaker 2: have thought about him at all.
Speaker 1: What do you want people to know about Kevin Correll.
Speaker 2: Is not to be trusted. Just run as fast as
Speaker 2: you can do not be anywhere near this man. If
Speaker 2: you're a friend, if you're involved with him, just he
Speaker 2: will only cause you grief and you don't need grief
Speaker 2: in your life. Life is too short. Just do not
Speaker 2: be involved.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Kevin played on your vulnerability?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Now I look back, Yes, absolutely, absolutely he did.
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, I put Elsa's accusations to Kevin Correll and
Speaker 1: hours before we publish this episode, he responded, I emailed
Speaker 1: Kevin this, Hi, Kevin, I think it's important to tell
Speaker 1: your side of the story, not just in relation to
Speaker 1: Rachelle's case, but also fresh allegations from your ex wife.
Speaker 1: These are the latest questions I put to him.
Speaker 2: One did you ever.
Speaker 1: Threaten to kill Elise and bury her body parts at
Speaker 1: Wrilla Beach and cover her body in line?
Speaker 2: Two?
Speaker 1: Did you ever physically assault Elise during your marriage? Three?
Speaker 1: Did you threaten to kill her and bury her at
Speaker 1: Jiroa Beach?
Speaker 2: Four?
Speaker 1: Did you ever behave in a way which was intended
Speaker 1: to leave Elise in view of her life? I look
Speaker 1: forward to your response, and here it is ree your
Speaker 1: fair and balanced inquiry. From the sensationalized headlines to your
Speaker 1: fresh allegations. Nothing has been fair and balanced during this investigation.
Speaker 1: Over the past twenty three years, I've been interviewed by
Speaker 1: detectives numerous times. I've attended the inquest and cooperated with police,
Speaker 1: supplying my DNA and answering all their questions. The new
Speaker 1: allegations from my ex wife should help your podcast ratings
Speaker 1: sell your newspaper, so I will answer your four questions.
Speaker 1: I vehemently deny these allegations and the answer is no
Speaker 1: to all four questions. Sincerely, Kevin Correll coming soon on
Speaker 1: Dear Rochelle. Have you still got eyes on his car? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm right behind it. And the way he did is
Speaker 2: to watch the shell. I can picture him now, just
Speaker 2: sort of like leering at her. Okay, he's just John
Speaker 2: the Red Lake.
Speaker 1: And I said to him, you know exactly who I am.
Speaker 4: He got out of the vehicle and as he did
Speaker 4: so with his hands up, his pants came down.
Speaker 1: His doors are grooms, He's in and around everything like
Speaker 1: he's just there and exactly what I can tell these people.
Speaker 2: So you need to get out of my.
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