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Speaker 1: say goodbye? Like at that moment, it honestly didn't go

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Speaker 1: through my head. I just didn't want to worry her.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, who was making all the decisions for you

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Speaker 2: and your in your group, so your friends, your three friends,

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Speaker 2: and yourself. Who was making the decisions to which way

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Speaker 2: to go all the time? Well, or was it just

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Speaker 2: a combined decision by both of you, all of you

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Speaker 2: used to which way you go?

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Speaker 1: It was, it was kind of a combined decision. Our

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Speaker 1: main goal was to make sure that we didn't get separated.

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Speaker 1: At certain points. Some people did stay in their cars

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Speaker 1: and they were driving and along the way they were

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Speaker 1: trying to pick up as many girls as possible and

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Speaker 1: put them in cars because the girls generally couldn't run

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Speaker 1: as fast as the boys. And I was with three

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Speaker 1: of my guy friends and they some people tried to

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Speaker 1: pick me up along the way, and I kept telling

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Speaker 1: them to take other girls, like I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: separate from my friends. They felt safest if I was

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Speaker 1: with people I knew, and generally we were all just

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Speaker 1: kind of making decisions together, like let's go this way, now,

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Speaker 1: let's go that way. Like we're being shot at, just

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Speaker 1: keep running, keep running, even at certain points. I don't

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Speaker 1: I was so out of it because I went into

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Speaker 1: like an automatic state of shock that at certain points

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Speaker 1: when we're being shot at, like we're like walking and

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Speaker 1: then suddenly we're being shot at again, and everyone starts

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Speaker 1: running and they turn around and look at me, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just standing there and like staring, and I'm like

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Speaker 1: in shock, and they like turn around. They're like Natalie, run, run,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, yeah, like I need

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Speaker 1: to run and just start running again