Speaker 1: On the Skyinging Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 3: Look, please do not adjust your sets. Welcome to Paul
Speaker 3: Murray Live with me Danikiti Giorgio. I mean, can you
Speaker 3: believe they actually gave me the keys to the joint? Now,
Speaker 3: I've got to say it was a little bit nervous
Speaker 3: stepping into Paul's man cave, But once you get used
Speaker 3: to the cigar smell, I've got to say it's actually
Speaker 3: quite nice in here.
Speaker 4: Few differences between Paul and I.
Speaker 3: I might not smoke cigars or love Bathurst, but the
Speaker 3: opinions on this government do not change.
Speaker 4: So a huge show coming up.
Speaker 3: Stay with us because tonight the polls are spiraling for elbow,
Speaker 3: it's not getting any better for labor.
Speaker 4: The truth about the government's.
Speaker 3: Proposed ban on social media for sixteen year olds has
Speaker 3: been revealed.
Speaker 4: What is the truth?
Speaker 3: Stick around because it'll affect many of us. And Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris could be should be president for a few days. No,
Speaker 3: that is actually a.
Speaker 4: Proposal, would you believe?
Speaker 3: But first, today is a day where we pause to
Speaker 3: remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice so we could
Speaker 3: live in the country we do today. At the eleventh
Speaker 3: hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighteen, the fighting on the Western Front stopped, and
Speaker 3: we thank those who bravely fought for us, and we
Speaker 3: will never forget their sacrifice.
Speaker 4: But today has really got me thinking. What would those
Speaker 4: who fought so.
Speaker 3: Bravely for our country think to see Australia today. How
Speaker 3: would they feel about being welcomed to country every five minutes,
Speaker 3: the exact same country.
Speaker 4: They fought for?
Speaker 5: Or what would our.
Speaker 3: Soldiers think of the anarchy in the streets where terror
Speaker 3: sympathizers openly wave the flags of band terror groups.
Speaker 4: What would they think of the division?
Speaker 3: Or to see the pro Palestine protests every weekend and
Speaker 3: anti Semitism running rampant, all under weak and cowardly leadership.
Speaker 4: Well, I suspect many would give this answer.
Speaker 6: We have one flag in Australia. That's the Australian flag,
Speaker 6: not the Lebanese frag order, Palestinian flag and even the
Speaker 6: Israeli flag. You know, this is Australia and these people
Speaker 6: should behave like Australians should.
Speaker 3: That was Eddie Boas, a Holocaust survivor, speaking to my
Speaker 3: colleague Caroline Marcus.
Speaker 4: And he is absolutely spot on.
Speaker 3: We have come so far as a nation since World
Speaker 3: War One and World War II. We are certainly so
Speaker 3: much more developed, but at the same time we are
Speaker 3: so different. In twenty twenty four we have hit peak woke,
Speaker 3: peak division, and peak stupidity. I mean, when we think
Speaker 3: post World War Two, Australia represented prosperity.
Speaker 4: Rising living standards and employment.
Speaker 3: The post war migrants my grandparents included, who came from Italy,
Speaker 3: wanted to work. In fact, they worked their backsides off.
Speaker 3: If you wanted a job, you got it. And most importantly,
Speaker 3: Australians and migrants actually loved this country. The word woke
Speaker 3: didn't exist back then, so what.
Speaker 4: The heck happened? Were now?
Speaker 3: Progressive ideology is entrenched in major Australian organizations run by
Speaker 3: woke CEOs. It's entrenched in classrooms, in our educational institutions,
Speaker 3: in our renewable energy policies for goodness sake, and in
Speaker 3: our left wing media. And Donald Trump has shown the
Speaker 3: world that if you love your country, there is a
Speaker 3: far greater chance of unity. Because Trump stood for one flag,
Speaker 3: and one flag only, of the United States of America.
Speaker 3: So if Trump is making America great again, we need
Speaker 3: our own maga make Australia great again, reclaim this country
Speaker 3: and restore it to its former cultural glory. Because Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's win wasn't just a vote for a better economy,
Speaker 3: more jobs or more security. It was a vote against
Speaker 3: the progressive, the liberal media, the open borders uncontrolled, quite
Speaker 3: frankly out of control, immigration, the obsession with DEI, diversity,
Speaker 3: equality and inclusion, puberty blockers, and the rest of the
Speaker 3: gender plava that comes with it. And this is why
Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi should be worried, because the culture war started
Speaker 3: by him, like of course the voice referendum matter. And
Speaker 3: I've got to say I shook my head reading this
Speaker 3: article in the Coque Mail.
Speaker 4: Take a look at Southeast.
Speaker 3: Queensland, where local councils are spending tens of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 4: On welcome to country ceremonies.
Speaker 3: Yes, ratepayers have to foot the bill to the tune
Speaker 3: of one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars for these
Speaker 3: events in the last two years alone.
Speaker 4: And so here we are in the middle of.
Speaker 3: A cost of living crisis and woke councils are sending
Speaker 3: us broke. So congratulations to the alban Easy Voice referendum
Speaker 3: legacy which is striking this country once again. The progressive
Speaker 3: left have been slowly infiltrating and really ultimately seeking to
Speaker 3: tear down the values and traditions of the Australia that
Speaker 3: once was, with the aim of destroying everything British settlers
Speaker 3: brought to Australia and destroying what our servicemen and women
Speaker 3: fought for and continue to do so, which brings me
Speaker 3: to my next maga hope make Albo go away, please please.
Speaker 3: And here is a really important question, Donald Trump asked
Speaker 3: America only a few weeks ago.
Speaker 5: I'd like to begin by asking you a very simple question.
Speaker 5: Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
Speaker 4: Simple? Isn't it? Is your life better now than it
Speaker 4: was four years ago?
Speaker 3: And overwhelmingly, of course, America said no, because their lives
Speaker 3: had gotten worse under Joe Biden and Vice President Karmala Harris.
Speaker 4: With this being the nail in the coffin for Karmela.
Speaker 3: Would you have done something differently than President Biden during
Speaker 3: the past four years?
Speaker 7: There has done a thing that comes to mind in
Speaker 7: terms of and I've been a part of most of
Speaker 7: the decisions that have had impact.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: Nothing at all, and so I would ask at home
Speaker 3: the same thing. Has your life improved in the last
Speaker 3: two years since Albanezi took office despite these rolling promises.
Speaker 8: A plan to address cost of living, take pressure off
Speaker 8: cost of living, pressure off the cost of living, the
Speaker 8: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, relief.
Speaker 2: Downward pressure on cost of living.
Speaker 3: And it's clear you at home beg to differ because
Speaker 3: it's reflecting in this month's polls, just like it has
Speaker 3: for the past month.
Speaker 4: Now. According to the latest News poll, primary.
Speaker 3: Support for the Coalition has lifted to forty percent for
Speaker 3: the first time since the twenty twenty two election, and
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's net approval now it surpasses that of Anthony Albanesi.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's personal ratings have also dipped, as you
Speaker 3: can see, to a new low, and the leadership contest
Speaker 3: has narrowed now to its closest margin yet. Now this
Speaker 3: is good news for Peter Dutton. It means that he
Speaker 3: is indeed cutting through.
Speaker 4: He's electable.
Speaker 3: It absolutely puts the Coalition in a more positive position
Speaker 3: heading into the next election. However, this still remains below
Speaker 3: what the Coalition would need to win the next election.
Speaker 3: And based on those numbers, and we're going to go
Speaker 3: through it with our panel very closely. Shortly being a
Speaker 3: hung Parliament and a minority Labor government is likely.
Speaker 4: But the US election result shows that when the silent majority.
Speaker 3: Have had enough, they have had enough, and we need
Speaker 3: to make Australia great again, more courage less, woke. It's
Speaker 3: time for a change, to put Australia first and restore
Speaker 3: our values, just like our servicemen and women have done
Speaker 3: and thankfully continue to do so.
Speaker 4: Well, let's get straight into it.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is your regular Monday Panel of National
Speaker 3: Senator Matt Canavan, Sky News contributor Sam Crosby.
Speaker 4: Really good to have you on the show this evening.
Speaker 3: Look, Sam, if you were Labor and you were reading
Speaker 3: those poles when you spit your coffee out this morning, you.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't be feeling very optimistic, would you.
Speaker 9: Well, I am Labor, yeah, and I didn't spit my
Speaker 9: coffee out.
Speaker 10: Look.
Speaker 9: Obviously it's not good. Obviously it's not good. I think
Speaker 9: I think Joe Biden said it's not a good time
Speaker 9: to be an incumbent party anywhere in the world, and
Speaker 9: I think that's correct. We've got globally, inflation has just
Speaker 9: been breaking everyone's back and I think the punters are
Speaker 9: telling us, you know, loud and clear, that they're not happy,
Speaker 9: and I think the government's got to listen to that.
Speaker 9: I think the announcement last weekend focusing on education, on
Speaker 9: hex and on tape places was a really good start
Speaker 9: on that.
Speaker 10: And you know, I think any rational.
Speaker 9: Person would acknowledge that it's been pretty difficult weeks for
Speaker 9: labor in Australia and cerah. Left of center parties across
Speaker 9: the world has been a pretty rough couple of weeks.
Speaker 9: But no, Look, I think the the government's got a
Speaker 9: job to do, so I hope they're going to and
Speaker 9: do it.
Speaker 4: Well, let's dive into those poles.
Speaker 3: This news pole revealed the primary support for the coalition
Speaker 3: is lifted by two points, so now reaching forty percent
Speaker 3: for the first time since the election.
Speaker 4: This bump in support was also mirrored in.
Speaker 3: The last Resolve poll, where support for the opposition has
Speaker 3: reached thirty nine percent.
Speaker 4: Matt Canavan, how would you read these numbers? Now? What
Speaker 4: does it mean for Peter Dutton?
Speaker 11: Well, opportunity Knox Daneka, We've got a real opportunity here
Speaker 11: to create history. First term governan's never been defeated in
Speaker 11: this country, not since the days of the Great Depression.
Speaker 11: So look, we've got a big task ahead of us.
Speaker 11: It's a political equivalent of climbing Mount Everest. It's a
Speaker 11: long route. I think Peter Dutton's leadership has put us
Speaker 11: in this position. He's taken some brave choices on things
Speaker 11: like nuclear energy. But look, we can't rest on our laurels.
Speaker 11: As Is commented today about these polls, even if they
Speaker 11: were repeated on election day, they're unlikely to deliver the
Speaker 11: coalition government and certainly not a majority government. So we've
Speaker 11: got to put in a lot of effort here to
Speaker 11: convince the Australian people.
Speaker 1: That we're the right choice.
Speaker 11: As I say, I think Peter's doing that with the
Speaker 11: plans he's mapping out.
Speaker 1: But we've got more to do here. We've got a
Speaker 1: lot more to do.
Speaker 11: I think we've got to sharpen up our policies around
Speaker 11: climate change. And it's pretty clear now with Donald Trump's election,
Speaker 11: the rest of the world is not doing this stuff,
Speaker 11: so why would we continue it. It's time to put
Speaker 11: Australians first. And the real lesson from Trump's election is
Speaker 11: we've got to look after this country. We've got to
Speaker 11: get back to using our natural resources for the benefit
Speaker 11: of all Australians, provide Australians a better future for our children.
Speaker 3: I do want to get to energy policies in a second,
Speaker 3: but Sam, look, what do you think are the lessons
Speaker 3: here from Trump's victory.
Speaker 4: We speak about the.
Speaker 3: Woke and I think that culture was in this country
Speaker 3: matter now the Voice referendum. There's kids being indoctrinated in
Speaker 3: the classrooms welcome to country. Every five minutes they're saying
Speaker 3: apologies to the stolen generation. An impact when you think
Speaker 3: about what's happened in the US.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean the apology of this dollin generation happened,
Speaker 9: you know, a decade ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the kids are being told apologize, say sorry.
Speaker 10: Sure.
Speaker 9: I think it's I think it's really superficial to look
Speaker 9: too hard at the American landscape and transpose it onto
Speaker 9: the Australian political landscape, where on the face of it,
Speaker 9: we're very similar, similar cultures, similar ideologies, but you dig
Speaker 9: just one layer deeper and it's very different political cultures
Speaker 9: compared to America. I mean, look, the big takeaway for
Speaker 9: me from America was Carmla's people did not turn out.
Speaker 9: You know, she got the same number of votes that
Speaker 9: Hillary Clinton did in twenty sixteen. Donald Trump had two
Speaker 9: million fewer votes than he got in twenty twenty two million,
Speaker 9: you know, so it's hardly this great resurgence. He got
Speaker 9: two million fewer votes. You know, het won the populace
Speaker 9: did well. No, no, he absolutely trounced Carmela, but her people
Speaker 9: did not turn out. Joe Biden got eighty one million votes.
Speaker 9: To put it into perspective, and yeah, sure these are
Speaker 9: all popular votes.
Speaker 10: But sorry, Matte, Well.
Speaker 11: Look, I'm not analyzing this from a sepsology perspective or
Speaker 11: a political perspective. I completely agree a political systems are different.
Speaker 11: I completely agree that Donald Trump's election does not mean
Speaker 11: or presage that Peter Tuttle will be Prime.
Speaker 1: Minister next year.
Speaker 11: But there are implications for our country. The fact is
Speaker 11: that Donald Trump is going to rip up this so
Speaker 11: called rules based order, which has been on its deathbed
Speaker 11: now for about a decade. But it's gone. It's over,
Speaker 11: and it's time for our country to face hard truths,
Speaker 11: hard cold truths that we've been ignoring for too long.
Speaker 11: Papering over the cracks, thinking that America will come to
Speaker 11: our defense in the case of a military quarrel, or
Speaker 11: that China will come to our savior if there's an
Speaker 11: economic downturn. We've got to take care of our own country.
Speaker 11: We just haven't done that. There's no leadership doing that
Speaker 11: right now, because we continue to sign up to these
Speaker 11: useless global agreements which don't aren't worth the paper they're
Speaker 11: written on, and are not providing anything for this country.
Speaker 11: We have had This nation has had the largest drop
Speaker 11: in living standards in anywhere in the world since COVID, anyway,
Speaker 11: the developed world, I should say, the largest drop in
Speaker 11: living standards in the developed world. And where is the
Speaker 11: strategy to dig us out of this quagmire? Instead, we're
Speaker 11: having discussions about banning YouTube for kids, wiping off massive
Speaker 11: mass of student debt.
Speaker 1: It's a band aid solution.
Speaker 11: It's not going to fix the long term structural problems
Speaker 11: in our economy, in our society that is I say,
Speaker 11: threatening the future of our children. I mean, are our
Speaker 11: kids is going to have a better future.
Speaker 1: Than we do?
Speaker 11: I am asking myself that question now, and you shouldn't
Speaker 11: have to ask this question in a country there's blessed
Speaker 11: with so much opportunity and resources as we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good point by Matt.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't have to ask those questions. But I want
Speaker 3: to also point to some other polling that came out
Speaker 3: today which said that forty percent of voters think Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's victory will be bad for Australia and also shown
Speaker 3: that a clear majority of Ossie's do not want to
Speaker 3: take sides of Trump Heighten's tensions with China, with fifty
Speaker 3: seven percent saying that we should actually stay out of
Speaker 3: that conflict. Now, Sam, obviously nobody wants to see another
Speaker 3: conflict in the world, and Australia does need to stand
Speaker 3: up for itself. But how do you see this playing out?
Speaker 3: What do you think this will mean for Australia.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think Matt started to make the point
Speaker 9: and I agree if he was going to make the
Speaker 9: point that it does have profound implications for Australia.
Speaker 10: You know, UCUS being the first one.
Speaker 9: Mike Pompeio was one of the architects, if you like,
Speaker 9: behind the scenes of UCAS and had been a big
Speaker 9: supporter of it, albeit from his opposition. That's now he's
Speaker 9: now out of the spotlight. If Trump proceeds with a
Speaker 9: universal tariff, a tariff increase, as he said he would,
Speaker 9: you know, will that affect Australia And if it does,
Speaker 9: how much?
Speaker 10: And where is that going to hurt?
Speaker 9: I mean, I dare say a bunch of Matt's constituents
Speaker 9: out there in Queensland sell a whole pile of beef
Speaker 9: and what not into America. So we've got to think
Speaker 9: through those implications. No, you know, I think there will
Speaker 9: be profound economic consequences in the very near term. Look
Speaker 9: what this means for China will have to wait and see.
Speaker 9: You know, we can spend all night looking at this
Speaker 9: and trying to figure it out.
Speaker 10: We'll just have to wait and see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well depends. Now.
Speaker 3: Look, I know you're both ready to fire up on
Speaker 3: this one because speaking of Donald Trump, he is expected
Speaker 3: to pull out of the Paris Agreements some Nationals MPs
Speaker 3: and now urging Peter Dutton to vow to do the
Speaker 3: same ahead of next year's election and revisit the Coalition
Speaker 3: support for net zero by twenty fifty. Now know, Matt
Speaker 3: Canavan is ready to fire up on this one, but
Speaker 3: so Sam I'm going to start with you sure, good
Speaker 3: or bad. I know what your answer is going to be,
Speaker 3: but I'm assuming.
Speaker 5: Don't do it.
Speaker 2: What's my answering to be.
Speaker 4: You say, don't pull out, keep going.
Speaker 9: I'm going to say, I hope Peter Dutton does. I
Speaker 9: want to see Anthony Alberinezi re elected. And when you
Speaker 9: go through the votes in the seats that Peter Dutton
Speaker 9: needs to win, he doesn't need to win them in
Speaker 9: National Party seats. He needs to win them in metropolitan cities.
Speaker 9: He needs to win them in areas that prioritize climate
Speaker 9: as being one of their top concerns. So if he
Speaker 9: wants to pull out of Paris and Matt's group wins,
Speaker 9: the argument in the Nationals and Liberal party room, wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the problem is, Sam, is that we can't even
Speaker 3: meet our twenty thirty targets. We've been worn by aemo
Speaker 3: that we're not going to get there. Surely the best
Speaker 3: thing to do if not pull out, cancel twenty fifty,
Speaker 3: slow it down.
Speaker 4: We're not ready.
Speaker 9: No, I've seen a number of different things saying that
Speaker 9: we'll either hit it or only just miss it. And
Speaker 9: I think at the end of the day. If you
Speaker 9: get ninety percent of the way there, that's better than
Speaker 9: zero percent of the way there. You can if you
Speaker 9: can do a good job, then let's try to do
Speaker 9: a good job. If it's not an excellent job.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to Mat Cadavan.
Speaker 3: Look, you've been vocal about this scrap net zero altogether,
Speaker 3: is that we'll still what you want, Matt.
Speaker 11: I've always said that it's an absurd idea. We're not
Speaker 11: going to meet net zero by twenty fifty. That's not
Speaker 11: going to happen, and no one else is. And this
Speaker 11: is somewhat independent of Donald Trump. Yes, he's going to
Speaker 11: formally take the United States out of Paris, but the
Speaker 11: US hasn't been taking it seriously to day anyway. Last year,
Speaker 11: under Joe Biden, the US produced more oil than any
Speaker 11: country in any year ever.
Speaker 1: Ever, they're they're.
Speaker 11: Not doing this, and China, of course, is building two
Speaker 11: COULP flight powerstations a week. Indonesia have been building coldplight
Speaker 11: powerstations like they're going out of fashion. They've done so
Speaker 11: to such an extent they have effectively stolen our nickel industry.
Speaker 11: We've lost basically all of our nickel industry to Indonesia
Speaker 11: over the past year. So Sam says about doing ninety
Speaker 11: percent of something does good, The question is what good
Speaker 11: is that to Australias. How does this improve anyone's life
Speaker 11: in this country? It doesn't obviously do anything for the environment,
Speaker 11: given we're only one point one percent of global emissions,
Speaker 11: and nowhere else in the world, including pre Trump's America
Speaker 11: is taking this stuff seriously. Now, all Trump is going
Speaker 11: to do is actually put into writing and put into
Speaker 11: words in effect, the very thing that America has been
Speaker 11: doing to date. Anyway, Now, maybe that will be enough
Speaker 11: of a wake up call for us to get off
Speaker 11: this train. Because Sam talks about the risk of Trump's tariffs,
Speaker 11: it just sort of boggles my mind that this is
Speaker 11: going to be a ten percent tariff apparently a ten
Speaker 11: percent tariff on Australian goods, But what about the energy
Speaker 11: price tariff that.
Speaker 1: Our businesses are facing to date.
Speaker 11: We pay now two to three times more for energy
Speaker 11: for electricity and gas than they do in the US.
Speaker 11: That is a much much bigger tariff on Australian business
Speaker 11: than anything Trump's going to impose through a trade deal
Speaker 11: or a trade policy change. That doesn't bother fix the
Speaker 11: issues in our own economy. Yes, it does bother me, Sam,
Speaker 11: But the point here is that there is much bigger
Speaker 11: issues in our own economy that we can fix that
Speaker 11: would pale into insignificance. The issue of a ten percent tariff.
Speaker 11: We fix our energy price tarraff. What about the labor
Speaker 11: laws tariff. There are ridiculous changes this governor's presided over.
Speaker 11: It's torn up the pulkeating industry bargaining process and taking
Speaker 11: us back more than a generation, back to nine fifty
Speaker 11: years ago.
Speaker 2: All I can say, all I can I hope that
Speaker 2: immigration mess.
Speaker 1: This government has presided.
Speaker 9: I hope exactly what you were saying right now, Matt,
Speaker 9: because I think if he gets up there and says
Speaker 9: exactly what you're saying right now, I think Albaniz he
Speaker 9: gets elected in a heartbeat.
Speaker 10: In a heartbeat, I thought you thought you thought.
Speaker 11: Mohara's just going to win a month ago to you
Speaker 11: didn't get that very well. I mean, I think this idea, somehow,
Speaker 11: this idea that somehow people all around the country, including
Speaker 11: in our cities, don't care about their actrisit prost.
Speaker 1: Butal I don't know what planet you're on.
Speaker 11: I mean, the people in a who' struggling to who, Well,
Speaker 11: everybody is struggling.
Speaker 2: You said that what sort of straw man are you
Speaker 2: putting up that? I said? Your people don't care about
Speaker 2: the electricity you're.
Speaker 11: Claiming you said you said earlier, Sam, you said that
Speaker 11: this policy that I'm adopting is really only apparently about
Speaker 11: winning votes and seats in regional Australia.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that for a second. Just struggling as well.
Speaker 11: Everybody's everybody is getting poorer in this country and everybody
Speaker 11: wants a solution. The the last election and the election
Speaker 11: of the Teals, voting Teal and Green in particular, is
Speaker 11: a luxury good when people are doing.
Speaker 2: Really well at the end of the day, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day.
Speaker 1: A life of luxury. Sam.
Speaker 9: We've got five coal power stations that need to be
Speaker 9: turned off in the next five or six years.
Speaker 2: Now, what we replace that bill some new ones, So.
Speaker 9: Build brand new coal fired power stations like a third
Speaker 9: world country, or we can replace it with renewable renewable I.
Speaker 11: Would prefer, Sam, I would prefer to keep those jobs
Speaker 11: in our nickel industry.
Speaker 1: Why do we want to ship them off to Indonesia?
Speaker 4: It's worse for the look for in New South Wales.
Speaker 3: They've had to extend the life of the coal fire
Speaker 3: station here Sam, because we don't know what we're.
Speaker 2: Going to do build a new one.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because a liberal government signed up to turn it
Speaker 9: five years too early. That was the Liberal party that
Speaker 9: did that, and the Labor are you applied some rationality
Speaker 9: and some sense and tried to fix it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what happened to power bills going down under
Speaker 3: labor because I thought that renewable.
Speaker 2: Ukraine happened to me? Ukraine happened, Russia happened. This is
Speaker 2: not this is not a new Sam.
Speaker 4: We were promised.
Speaker 2: America in that situation and then in Ukraine.
Speaker 4: Come on, Sam, there needs to be fair options.
Speaker 11: How how come us? How come Americans aren't paying those
Speaker 11: power processes? If the Ukraine invasion happened on their planet too,
Speaker 11: And in fact they're more connected to the issue obviously
Speaker 11: than we are.
Speaker 9: Their power prices did go up, they had just seven
Speaker 9: eight nine percent.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but they're not up now. They're at record lows.
Speaker 11: They're power prosit record lows, whereas ours are still at
Speaker 11: record highs. It's not Ukraine, Sam, it is our insane
Speaker 11: attoution men power systems that don't work.
Speaker 9: Right now, you are disagreeing with just about every serious
Speaker 9: energy commentator in Australia.
Speaker 1: Well that's not the case.
Speaker 11: I'm actually on an energy policy in quirer Senate inquirer
Speaker 11: right now. And even Sam, even the government's Australian Energy
Speaker 11: Market operator, their regulator, said the other day that they
Speaker 11: can't guarantee power prices going down under the government's policies,
Speaker 11: despite the government's promise to us all that it would
Speaker 11: lead to lower power prices. There is a clear problem
Speaker 11: in our system, Sam, that we do not have power
Speaker 11: that can be relied upon, and every country that's adopted
Speaker 11: this pathway has ended up with much higher power prices.
Speaker 11: We're going down the same route as Germany, is the UK,
Speaker 11: which now have the highest industrial power prices in the world,
Speaker 11: and they're losing their manufacturing industry as before our eyes.
Speaker 11: So look, all I'm saying is that life's about choices,
Speaker 11: and for too long this country has skated by on
Speaker 11: the commodity price boom on China and we've avoided tough choices.
Speaker 1: And I just feel I was about to come. We're
Speaker 1: going to have to make some tough choices.
Speaker 4: Well, we do have to make tough choices as well.
Speaker 3: But I want to make another point, and I think
Speaker 3: you alluded to it before as well, Matt, is what
Speaker 3: about the big emitters. We've got China for example, they're
Speaker 3: not copying anything, and yet here in this country, Sam,
Speaker 3: we're going backwards, We're going brokeuse of our energy prices.
Speaker 3: So what's the What I'm trying to make is what
Speaker 3: is what Matt said earlier. You've got China, big polluters,
Speaker 3: they don't cop anything worldwide, so why should Australia be
Speaker 3: copping it as well.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that at all. I don't know who
Speaker 9: you're arguing with here, but that's not my point.
Speaker 3: All right, Well let's move on there, because just.
Speaker 11: To be clear, Just to be clear, we signed an
Speaker 11: agreement last year at so called COP twenty eight, that
Speaker 11: was the last climate change conference before this week's COHCH
Speaker 11: Just this week, at COP twenty nine, last year, we
Speaker 11: signed up to an agreement with one hundred and thirty
Speaker 11: other countries to end cul fir power. China, India and
Speaker 11: Indonesia did not sign that agreement. They did not sign
Speaker 11: up to it. So why are we doing.
Speaker 4: That's what they're big emitters. They are bigger miitters.
Speaker 3: But I want to I want to move on now
Speaker 3: because I want to speak to you both about social media.
Speaker 3: This has been a big one this week. Anthony Albanesi
Speaker 3: is under pressure for his government's plan to ban social
Speaker 3: media for those under sixteen. But it's actually worse than
Speaker 3: what we thought when it revealed today in the Senate
Speaker 3: that the age verification process will require all.
Speaker 4: Australians to digitally verify themselves. Would you believe have a listen.
Speaker 12: Of course, if you're testing to see if someone's thirteen
Speaker 12: or fourteen, or fifteen or sixteen, you're also testing to see,
Speaker 12: by definition, if they're sixteen plus. So if there's going
Speaker 12: to be age verification, everybody is going to have to
Speaker 12: go through an age verification process, won't they?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, So let me just try and get
Speaker 3: this right here, because how I read this is is
Speaker 3: that it was never about under sixteens.
Speaker 4: It's never about it wasn't about the vulnerable.
Speaker 3: It's going to impact everybody who has a social media account.
Speaker 3: Suddenly you now have to have a digital ID. That's
Speaker 3: how I read it. The Greens seem to be reading
Speaker 3: it that way, Sam, are we heading into some sort
Speaker 3: of privacy issues here?
Speaker 10: Look, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 9: I assume it'll be the case that everyone has to
Speaker 9: enter their age on the app. I don't think this
Speaker 9: is we'll see, right. I don't foresee that this has
Speaker 9: ever been proposed that it's going to be a hard
Speaker 9: and fast you have to submit your proof of identification
Speaker 9: or anything like that. The idea as I read it,
Speaker 9: was this is about giving parents a tool to have
Speaker 9: a conversation with their children to say no, you can't
Speaker 9: go on social media.
Speaker 10: It's not mum and dad doing it. It's the law
Speaker 10: doing it.
Speaker 9: Which as a parent that has this conversation with a
Speaker 9: twelve year old, you know, I can appreciate and respect,
Speaker 9: but I think that's what.
Speaker 10: It's going to be.
Speaker 9: But look, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 9: we've got to do something, and so if there's a
Speaker 9: better way around this, I hope that the government would
Speaker 9: be open to figuring that out and looking at it.
Speaker 9: But you know, I think we need to do something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt, how did you understand that they're That question
Speaker 3: from David Schubridge from the Greens, because it sounded like
Speaker 3: there was an agreement today in the Senate that actually, yes,
Speaker 3: it will be a case where if you have social
Speaker 3: media you will need to submit your own digital ID.
Speaker 11: I don't think the government knows what they want to do.
Speaker 11: I've spoken to some large tech companies and then none
Speaker 11: the wiser about what the plan is here.
Speaker 1: It's certainly not off the table.
Speaker 11: The government is considering some form of identification process, so
Speaker 11: it won't just be tick a box potentially.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's settled yet.
Speaker 11: We haven't seen the legislation, but this could be a
Speaker 11: complete dog's breakfast. I mean, this sounds like an idea
Speaker 11: that's great in theory. Let's some young children don't really
Speaker 11: need to be on some of these social media apps.
Speaker 11: But in practice what will probably end up happening is
Speaker 11: it will kick eighty year olds off Facebook, but not
Speaker 11: eight year olds. The eight year olds, I reckon will
Speaker 11: find a way around it. They're pretty savvy. My eight
Speaker 11: year old daughter's pretty tech savvy. The grandparents who have
Speaker 11: got an on Facebook in the first time do something
Speaker 11: technically in their life to see pictures and communicate their family,
Speaker 11: they'll be at a complete loss because apparently this will
Speaker 11: have to be retrospective.
Speaker 1: You'll have to go back.
Speaker 11: Everybody it's got an account now, but to dig up
Speaker 11: some kind of will go through some kind of process
Speaker 11: to keep their account, and so I just think this
Speaker 11: has to go back to the drawing board. The Gun's
Speaker 11: clearly trying to rush this before an election because they
Speaker 11: want some kind of victory. But I think they have
Speaker 11: no idea what they're doing, no idea what they're doing.
Speaker 11: And now there's talk of banning kids from YouTube and minecraft,
Speaker 11: and I mean, where's this going. I thought we were
Speaker 11: talking about keeping kids off Snapchat and Instagram fair enough,
Speaker 11: but is this broad and broad and broadening out of it.
Speaker 1: I just think it just they don't have a proper.
Speaker 3: Plan yet, and it'll look I can understand it if
Speaker 3: you're a parent, as you mentioned, Sam, if you're a parent,
Speaker 3: you're struggling. Social media is difficult to navigate for everybody, really,
Speaker 3: and if you as a parent, it would be very
Speaker 3: difficult if you didn't understand the implications of social media
Speaker 3: to discuss it.
Speaker 4: With your own children. Do you think that this is
Speaker 4: a legitimate answer for kids?
Speaker 3: It basically puts parents in a position where you can
Speaker 3: say to your kid, well it's illegal, sorry, you can't
Speaker 3: go there.
Speaker 4: Does that help as a look.
Speaker 9: I think it does. I think it does. I take
Speaker 9: Matt's point that it is a complicated thing. You know,
Speaker 9: my daughter was trying to explain to us that she
Speaker 9: needs Snapchat not to post or see things, but is
Speaker 9: basically a messaging app with her friends, because that's what
Speaker 9: all of her her friends are on.
Speaker 10: So I agree.
Speaker 9: You know, I mean, at what stage does WhatsApp and
Speaker 9: the various groups are on WhatsApp become a social media
Speaker 9: platform or does it become a messaging app? You know,
Speaker 9: I don't have an answer to this, and I dare
Speaker 9: say the government doesn't have an answer to this. But
Speaker 9: I think we want to empower parents to be able
Speaker 9: to have those conversations with their kids. And you know,
Speaker 9: I mean, we made a mistake with our daughter, We
Speaker 9: let it go on far too young. You know, if
Speaker 9: we had our time again, and we do with our
Speaker 9: son coming up, we won't make those mistakes. But you know,
Speaker 9: I think it's about giving parents that ability and that
Speaker 9: chance to have those conversations.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's a conversation started.
Speaker 3: I'd be very curious to see where this legislation goes
Speaker 3: to to bring you this from Bernie Sanders in the US,
Speaker 3: because he has doubled down on his statement from last
Speaker 3: week where he actually ripped into the Democrats for abandoning
Speaker 3: the working class. Here's what he had to say on
Speaker 3: NBC's Meet the Press today.
Speaker 13: The working people of this country are extremely angry.
Speaker 1: They have a right to be angry.
Speaker 13: In the Senate, in the last two years, we have
Speaker 13: not even brought fourth legislation to raise the minimal wage
Speaker 13: to a living wage, despite the fact that some twenty
Speaker 13: million people in this country are working for less than fifteen.
Speaker 2: Dollars an hour.
Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, good to see there, Bernie Sanders coming to
Speaker 3: his senses.
Speaker 4: I mean, who would have thought that the elites that
Speaker 4: they rolled out.
Speaker 3: During the election campaign actually didn't resonate with Middle America.
Speaker 4: That's basically what he's saying there.
Speaker 11: Look, it's probably why the Democrats lost the election. They
Speaker 11: weren't seen to be focused on these kitchen table bread
Speaker 11: and butter issues that face every family almost in the
Speaker 11: Western world right now, that's a challenge for all governments,
Speaker 11: and Sam's right earlier, it's a tough time for in
Speaker 11: Covenant governments, but that's what comes with the job and
Speaker 11: you've got to try and meet it. So look, I
Speaker 11: think we have similar problems here with an Australian Labor
Speaker 11: Party that's obsessed has been to become obsessed with climate
Speaker 11: change action. We can have our disagreements on that, but
Speaker 11: they're not focused as much as they should be, I
Speaker 11: think in protecting basic industries and their jobs, making sure
Speaker 11: that people have a higher stand of living, controlling our
Speaker 11: borders so we don't have a situation where people can't
Speaker 11: afford a home. That's what's happened, and people are our
Speaker 11: living intents in our country because they just don't seem
Speaker 11: focused on helping the average Australian get ahead.
Speaker 1: Now, maybe I'm being harsh on the.
Speaker 11: Australian Labor Party, but that's the perception out there that
Speaker 11: they're not focused on these issues. They are instead very
Speaker 11: focused on the trend virtue signaling issues, whether it be
Speaker 11: the voice here in this country, transgender issues, climate change,
Speaker 11: and not focused on the stuff that makes a difference
Speaker 11: in your life and makes you frustrated in your life
Speaker 11: about not being able to enjoy this great country where
Speaker 11: we should be the luckiest country in the world. We've
Speaker 11: got the greatest resources, beautiful country, but we're just not
Speaker 11: making our luck anymore, and it's about time we do again.
Speaker 4: Sam, I'll give you the final word.
Speaker 9: Look, I think I think the reality is that in
Speaker 9: the United States, neither party is looking at for the
Speaker 9: absolute bottom of the wrung. They haven't had a real
Speaker 9: wage increase since Jimmy Carter was president. So that's Reagan,
Speaker 9: Clinton to Bush's, Trump, Obama, Biden, you know, you name it.
Speaker 9: I think it's a great country to be rich in.
Speaker 9: But you don't have to walk around too far in
Speaker 9: any of their major cities before you see the epidemic
Speaker 9: of homelessness.
Speaker 4: Well maybe Trump might fix that, but.
Speaker 9: Of course he's not going to. I mean, to be honest,
Speaker 9: not neither of them were going to. Like, let's let
Speaker 9: let's let's be honest about it. Everyone will talk.
Speaker 1: Did the railways did go up under Trump? Did go
Speaker 1: up under Trump?
Speaker 10: Oh? Did go up under the COVID supplement? Yeah?
Speaker 11: Sure, COVID Before COVID they evolution.
Speaker 10: Aberration, Matt, But whatever. I mean.
Speaker 9: The point is, you don't have to walk far throughout
Speaker 9: the United States to see an epidemic of inequality in
Speaker 9: that country, and I think, you know, to Sanders point,
Speaker 9: I don't think either of the parties have been focused
Speaker 9: on that for very long at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well on your America beckons. We'll see
Speaker 3: what happens. Sam Crosby, Matt Canavan. Great to speak to
Speaker 3: you both. Thank you so much for joining me on
Speaker 3: the show this evening. We'll stay with us coming up
Speaker 3: after the break. Can you believe how much the ABC
Speaker 3: spent on a redesign and they.
Speaker 4: Have the audacity to ask our government for more money?
Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere. Well, welcome back to Paul Murray Live.
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Speaker 4: But look the debate tonight goes on.
Speaker 3: We've got a lot to get to and I'm joined
Speaker 3: by Sky News contributor pre mcsweeen and Graham Lloyd, the
Speaker 3: associate editor at The Australian.
Speaker 4: Welcome to you both. Great to see you now.
Speaker 3: Graham will start with you because your paper, of course,
Speaker 3: we've been reporting that The Australian, their latest news poll
Speaker 3: has just more and more.
Speaker 4: Bad news for Alberan.
Speaker 3: Ezy and if you are actually just joining us from home,
Speaker 3: the coalition's primary vote is back at forty percent and
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's net approval has gone past alberanizis Graham, how
Speaker 3: do you read these numbers?
Speaker 4: I mean, if you were Peter.
Speaker 3: Dutton, would you be hardened by this result? Or you
Speaker 3: don't want to speak too soon?
Speaker 14: Well, I think a week is a long time in politics.
Speaker 14: But what we're seeing is the trend is favoring Peter Dutton.
Speaker 14: He's gradually incrementally increasing his support. On the other side,
Speaker 14: Anthony Alberici must be wondering what he has to do
Speaker 14: to change things around and get back on the front foot.
Speaker 14: It's hard to see what that may be at this
Speaker 14: point in time. There's a lot of challenges coming up,
Speaker 14: interest rates will be the main one. Peter Dutton just
Speaker 14: has to build the image of authority that he is
Speaker 14: a reasonable chance to take and he's looking in pretty
Speaker 14: good position right at the moment.
Speaker 3: But how would Labor take these results, Graham? Because we
Speaker 3: know this is now a trend. We've seen it in
Speaker 3: the last few Poles News poll and the figures did
Speaker 3: say though that it would be enough to get Labor
Speaker 3: over the line, but in a minority, which I mean, God,
Speaker 3: God help us if that would was the case. But
Speaker 3: if you were Labor, would this worry?
Speaker 14: I think they'd be very concerned. They'd be wondering what
Speaker 14: they can do to get back on the front foot.
Speaker 14: But they've changed the rules. So in earlier days there
Speaker 14: would have been a lot of talk about moving on
Speaker 14: the Prime Minister and swapping him out for somebody who
Speaker 14: may be more popular. But that is a lot more
Speaker 14: difficult to do now, so that's unlikely. What they need
Speaker 14: to do is find, if you like, a bit of
Speaker 14: momentum to run their way and capitalize on that. At
Speaker 14: this point in time, it's hard to see what that
Speaker 14: is and must be a big concern.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a thing I mean, what do you
Speaker 3: find when it comes to labor prue.
Speaker 4: This is the problem. They've got so many issues.
Speaker 3: You've got Albow fresh from the Coba Cabaner swanning about
Speaker 3: now in the chairman's lunge, apparently loves the quantas loves
Speaker 3: the flights. It's about restoring this public image as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, how do they go about that?
Speaker 5: I don't think they can.
Speaker 7: You know, I think the public has worked out that
Speaker 7: he's a snake oil salesman, you know, and we're not
Speaker 7: buying what he's selling.
Speaker 5: He's a fake.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: We sort of were kind enough to forgive him when
Speaker 7: he was not across detail during the election and we
Speaker 7: bought the you know, the Uncle Tom's staff.
Speaker 5: But then we started to see the cracks.
Speaker 7: Falling in and you know, the problem is that he's
Speaker 7: a fake and that is the problem. And what he's
Speaker 7: selling is just not what we as working class people.
Speaker 7: We're all doing it so hard. I don't care who
Speaker 7: you are, you are doing it tough. And he's not
Speaker 7: addressing the cost of living, and we're all waking up.
Speaker 7: We're much more economically savvy and we know it's the
Speaker 7: spending of labor labor state governments as well as federal
Speaker 7: government that is creating this problem and maintaining it. We
Speaker 7: are not going to have those interest rate cuts because
Speaker 7: it's labor trying to buy votes and we're onto m
Speaker 7: oh I think we.
Speaker 3: All are on to EM and clearly the polls suggests
Speaker 3: that Australia is onto EM.
Speaker 4: Now. Look have a listen to this.
Speaker 3: Guess what the ABC? It needs more money. That's according
Speaker 3: to the chair Kim Williams, here is.
Speaker 15: If you want Australia and Australian stories and Australian narratives
Speaker 15: and Australian imaginations and Australian accents and Australian settings and
Speaker 15: Australian history to populate the audio and video screens of
Speaker 15: Australia and elsewhere, you have to invest and you have
Speaker 15: to create an environment that captures investment. One of the
Speaker 15: tools available to government is very direct investment in the ABC.
Speaker 3: Yes, but of course what about the money that they
Speaker 3: already have, how are they spending that?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: How about this from set at estimates last.
Speaker 15: Week and what was the total cost of the rebrand exercise?
Speaker 3: The rebrand exercise, it was approximately eight hundred thousand. I
Speaker 3: believe yes, no nothing, just a mea a mere eight
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, almost a million dollars for goodness sake, and
Speaker 3: now well done to Sophie Ellsworth and James Madden at
Speaker 3: The Australian for that great fine Graham.
Speaker 4: Please tell me which.
Speaker 3: Media organization right now needs a million dollars almost for
Speaker 3: a rebrand?
Speaker 4: Have we missed something here?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 14: I think they're looking at the wrong end of the horse.
Speaker 14: The ABC gets a billion dollars a year already, and
Speaker 14: their problem is not what would have to be one
Speaker 14: of the most recognizable logos in the business. Its content.
Speaker 14: So if they paid more attention to delivering the sort
Speaker 14: of content that people wanted to consume, they wouldn't be
Speaker 14: losing audience and they would be in a much better position.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I've got to say pro and surely any
Speaker 3: future funding has to be dependent on whether the ABC
Speaker 3: can actually stick to its charge exactly.
Speaker 7: You know, as a marketer, I can see that the
Speaker 7: brand's damaged, but no amount of painter news slipped look
Speaker 7: is going to change the fact that the ABC is
Speaker 7: not delivering ROI. We are not getting the programming that
Speaker 7: we want, and it's because of the biases. It's activism,
Speaker 7: journalism that's alive and well in the ABC.
Speaker 5: It's not their charter. They should be.
Speaker 7: I believe, subscription and they should be focusing on regional
Speaker 7: television radio, regional radio. That's where they're needed and where
Speaker 7: they're good. But certainly they're disenfranchising everybody else.
Speaker 4: Eight hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: It's a joke. It's an absolute joke, and you can't
Speaker 5: see it.
Speaker 7: And as I said, you know, you can put lipstick
Speaker 7: on a pig, but it's.
Speaker 5: Still a bloody pig and this is a pig.
Speaker 4: And nothing changes. This is the problem.
Speaker 3: Nothing ever changes. Now, Look, we've been talking about olbow
Speaker 3: and perception. We talk about climate change and a really
Speaker 3: great investigation in the Daily Telegraph today.
Speaker 4: From all the lecturing we receive from progressive.
Speaker 3: Politicians on climate change, they're not practicing what they preach.
Speaker 3: Who would have thought, now, if you generally thought our
Speaker 3: emissions would cause sea levels to rise, you wouldn't buy.
Speaker 4: Beach side properties, would you.
Speaker 3: And yet Chris Bowen has one, so does Zoey Daniel
Speaker 3: Tony Burke throw him into the mix as well.
Speaker 4: Two in Tasmania at that Allegra Spender.
Speaker 3: She's got at least three homes in waterfront areas of
Speaker 3: New South Wales. I mean, Graham, for goodness sake, what
Speaker 3: about the what about erosion? What about climate change? Isn't
Speaker 3: it going to sweep away homes? I thought that was
Speaker 3: what the problem is.
Speaker 2: That trouble.
Speaker 14: Look, hypocrisy is the specialty in this area. It's the
Speaker 14: same people who are flying around in jets, private jets
Speaker 14: as viewing out all the co two and missions are
Speaker 14: the ones telling everybody else what to do. And that
Speaker 14: comes to living on the waterfront as well. I think
Speaker 14: people will overlook their fears about the future when it
Speaker 14: comes to having a pretty good view and a nice
Speaker 14: lifestyle today pro.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a real double standards. Oh totally, isn't it.
Speaker 3: You know, they come out, but they come in front
Speaker 3: of the cameras and no, look, climate change it's real,
Speaker 3: it's happening.
Speaker 4: It's happening.
Speaker 3: But we've got to spare us a thought for the
Speaker 3: Harveside mansions please, And of.
Speaker 7: Course we've got this climate change ambassador that's traveling all
Speaker 7: around the world. Missions are huge now and the cost
Speaker 7: is incredible. I mean, I think they go to these
Speaker 7: cop fests so they can blow the hot air out
Speaker 7: of their backsides talk about emissions.
Speaker 4: I mean, for goodness, what a commission that.
Speaker 7: They're moralizing hypocrites and we know that. And you know,
Speaker 7: I think people have suddenly realized, well, all of us
Speaker 7: want to care about the environment. We are being conned
Speaker 7: and we know we are, and we're not going to
Speaker 7: allow this government to send us broke while we're pursuing
Speaker 7: this green scam.
Speaker 5: And that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Well, let's see what Donald Trump does next, because that'll
Speaker 3: be the big key here, as we spoke about earlier
Speaker 3: in the show.
Speaker 4: Look stick around because we're going to take a break.
Speaker 3: Much more to discuss coming up, including a wild plan
Speaker 3: from one Democrat to still make Carmala Harris president.
Speaker 4: You heard that right, that's next.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Paul Murray Live with Me, Daniki di
Speaker 3: Giorgio still joined by the great pre McSween and Graham Lloyd.
Speaker 3: Now this is hilarious because last week the US well
Speaker 3: you think that they actually sent a clear signal that
Speaker 3: they don't want Carmala Harris to be president, and yet
Speaker 3: some Dems are just not taking no for an answer.
Speaker 16: One primus left that he could fulfill being a transitional figure.
Speaker 16: He could resign the presidency in the next thirty days.
Speaker 16: Meet Krmala Harris, the president of No seats. We'll give
Speaker 16: it absolved being able to from having to receive January
Speaker 16: sixth transition right of her on defeat, and it would
Speaker 16: make sure that it would dominate the news at a
Speaker 16: point where Democrats have to learn drama and transparency and
Speaker 16: doing things that the public we want to see. Is
Speaker 16: the time, This is the moment for us to change
Speaker 16: the entire perspective.
Speaker 10: Of how democrats.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 4: Yes, let's punch Joe Biden. Put Kamler in for a
Speaker 4: couple of days.
Speaker 3: Never mind that the overwhelming majority of Americans actually said no,
Speaker 3: we don't want you.
Speaker 4: But please Graham.
Speaker 3: Why are they just not taking no for an answer
Speaker 3: that they just they're in such denial.
Speaker 14: There's unbelievable, isn't it?
Speaker 1: What was needed?
Speaker 14: This humility and looking how chuffed Joe Biden looks following
Speaker 14: the result. I don't think he's going to be giving
Speaker 14: up for anybody. And seriously, it would devalue the event
Speaker 14: of the US getting the first female president if they
Speaker 14: were to sneak it in in this fashion. The reality
Speaker 14: is they're all yesterday's people. The caravan has moved on.
Speaker 14: Nothing will happen between now and when Trump is inaugurated,
Speaker 14: and that's when it begins.
Speaker 3: Graham, I forgot about that because Biden came out the
Speaker 3: other day beaming the biggest smile. We've said he had
Speaker 3: a big springing his step, from potato to spring in
Speaker 3: his step.
Speaker 4: But it's you know he's not going to leave, is he?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I would be very surprised.
Speaker 7: I mean, what I'm amazed about is I think that
Speaker 7: was the chiefest stuff Carmelin.
Speaker 5: It was, And why hasn't he been sacked for a start?
Speaker 7: I mean, you can see how delusional he is if
Speaker 7: he thinks that's good.
Speaker 5: But it's all about symbolism.
Speaker 7: They want to make her the first female president, even
Speaker 7: if it is just a total sham, and you know
Speaker 7: they have no idea and they probably now will be
Speaker 7: in denial. They'll never ever understand why she lost. They're
Speaker 7: just so tinied about it all and arrogant. So I mean,
Speaker 7: I can't see it happening, but I'm sure Trump will
Speaker 7: have a way of sticking it up them and making
Speaker 7: sure it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if it's not about sexism, misogyny, racism
Speaker 3: to blame for the vote, No, we'll give her a chance.
Speaker 3: We'll still give her a chance. That's basically what they're
Speaker 3: doing here. It's just a posopothetic now, Graham, a really
Speaker 3: great article in The Australian from your colleague Chris Mitchell today.
Speaker 3: He writes that the American media became activists against Trump
Speaker 3: and that left them unable to read the situation. Well,
Speaker 3: but this part in particular was great. It said the
Speaker 3: left liberal US media got Trump and the electric wrong
Speaker 3: for nine years, but last week showed little sign of
Speaker 3: understanding why. This column was reminded of the sullen faces
Speaker 3: of the ABC on election night in twenty nineteen when
Speaker 3: Liberal leader Scott Morrison beat Labour's bill shortened. Graham, what
Speaker 3: is it about, particularly the lefty media, why do they
Speaker 3: always misread the play?
Speaker 14: Well, it's the echo chamber effect. So if you never
Speaker 14: speak to anybody who doesn't share your view, you are
Speaker 14: absolutely a stone when you're presented with the fact that
Speaker 14: most people actually don't agree with you. I think the
Speaker 14: first Trump presidency showed how disconnected the media was from
Speaker 14: what was really happening out in mainstream America. They didn't
Speaker 14: learn that lesson, They didn't reconnect with America. They just
Speaker 14: said about demonizing Donald Trump, and I think they've been
Speaker 14: fed another dose of humble pie. Whether they will bring
Speaker 14: themselves to acknowledge it this time, only time will tell.
Speaker 4: Well, they never self reflect.
Speaker 3: They probably will never acknowledge it, Proue, because that's the
Speaker 3: way that the left wing media all right, and the
Speaker 3: fact that they were taken so by surprising me. I've
Speaker 3: seen the scare campaigns already running. Even here in Australia.
Speaker 3: They're running these headlines.
Speaker 4: Of what Trump dangerous for Australia.
Speaker 7: Come on, I mean, they are so superior, they think
Speaker 7: there are so much more informed than the rest of us.
Speaker 7: It's interesting how the media landscape has changed so much
Speaker 7: because so many of these journalists have lost their objectivity
Speaker 7: and what we're supposed to do, which is report the
Speaker 7: facts and not buy into the conversation unless you're a commentator.
Speaker 5: And I think it's the public's onto it.
Speaker 7: We're now really sourcing different channels and sources for our
Speaker 7: news and that's really good, So hopefully that's what we
Speaker 7: should be celebrating. But we've got to be it's by
Speaker 7: a beware, isn't it.
Speaker 4: At this stage it really is bya beware. We've got
Speaker 4: to be careful. Pre McSwain, Graham Lloyd. Really good to
Speaker 4: have you both on. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 4: me this evening. And that is it for me tonight.
Speaker 4: Thanks for your company.
Speaker 3: I'll be back in Pol's man Cave tomorrow for another show,
Speaker 3: but right now, stay tuned on Sky for the late
Speaker 3: debate