WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 11 November 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.759 On the Skyinging Center. 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.880 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.440 Look, please do not adjust your sets. Welcome to Paul 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.840 Murray Live with me Danikiti Giorgio. I mean, can you 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.720 believe they actually gave me the keys to the joint? Now, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.840 I've got to say it was a little bit nervous 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.759 stepping into Paul's man cave, But once you get used 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.920 to the cigar smell, I've got to say it's actually 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:27.040 quite nice in here. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.760 Few differences between Paul and I. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.040 I might not smoke cigars or love Bathurst, but the 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.360 opinions on this government do not change. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.120 So a huge show coming up. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.360 Stay with us because tonight the polls are spiraling for elbow, 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.440 it's not getting any better for labor. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.680 The truth about the government's. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.239 Proposed ban on social media for sixteen year olds has 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:50.919 been revealed. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:52.600 What is the truth? 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.960 Stick around because it'll affect many of us. And Kamala 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.120 Harris could be should be president for a few days. No, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:03.360 that is actually a. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:04.720 Proposal, would you believe? 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.360 But first, today is a day where we pause to 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.559 remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice so we could 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.000 live in the country we do today. At the eleventh 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.959 hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month in 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.800 nineteen eighteen, the fighting on the Western Front stopped, and 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.520 we thank those who bravely fought for us, and we 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.600 will never forget their sacrifice. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:35.160 But today has really got me thinking. What would those 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:36.119 who fought so. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:41.240 Bravely for our country think to see Australia today. How 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:45.400 would they feel about being welcomed to country every five minutes, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.400 the exact same country. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:48.440 They fought for? 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:50.440 Or what would our. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.520 Soldiers think of the anarchy in the streets where terror 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:58.480 sympathizers openly wave the flags of band terror groups. 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.040 What would they think of the division? 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.880 Or to see the pro Palestine protests every weekend and 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:11.200 anti Semitism running rampant, all under weak and cowardly leadership. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.760 Well, I suspect many would give this answer. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.560 We have one flag in Australia. That's the Australian flag, 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.960 not the Lebanese frag order, Palestinian flag and even the 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.000 Israeli flag. You know, this is Australia and these people 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.880 should behave like Australians should. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.120 That was Eddie Boas, a Holocaust survivor, speaking to my 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.240 colleague Caroline Marcus. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.520 And he is absolutely spot on. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.000 We have come so far as a nation since World 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.760 War One and World War II. We are certainly so 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.520 much more developed, but at the same time we are 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:53.360 so different. In twenty twenty four we have hit peak woke, 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.520 peak division, and peak stupidity. I mean, when we think 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.480 post World War Two, Australia represented prosperity. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.519 Rising living standards and employment. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.840 The post war migrants my grandparents included, who came from Italy, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.920 wanted to work. In fact, they worked their backsides off. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.920 If you wanted a job, you got it. And most importantly, 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:22.520 Australians and migrants actually loved this country. The word woke 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.040 didn't exist back then, so what. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.280 The heck happened? Were now? 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:34.000 Progressive ideology is entrenched in major Australian organizations run by 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:40.160 woke CEOs. It's entrenched in classrooms, in our educational institutions, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.440 in our renewable energy policies for goodness sake, and in 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.480 our left wing media. And Donald Trump has shown the 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.200 world that if you love your country, there is a 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:57.520 far greater chance of unity. Because Trump stood for one flag, 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:02.080 and one flag only, of the United States of America. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:07.040 So if Trump is making America great again, we need 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:14.560 our own maga make Australia great again, reclaim this country 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:19.440 and restore it to its former cultural glory. Because Donald 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.560 Trump's win wasn't just a vote for a better economy, 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.520 more jobs or more security. It was a vote against 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:33.040 the progressive, the liberal media, the open borders uncontrolled, quite 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:39.239 frankly out of control, immigration, the obsession with DEI, diversity, 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.640 equality and inclusion, puberty blockers, and the rest of the 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.400 gender plava that comes with it. And this is why 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:52.080 Anthony Albanezi should be worried, because the culture war started 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.880 by him, like of course the voice referendum matter. And 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.039 I've got to say I shook my head reading this 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:00.520 article in the Coque Mail. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.760 Take a look at Southeast. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:07.279 Queensland, where local councils are spending tens of thousands of dollars. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.160 On welcome to country ceremonies. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:14.000 Yes, ratepayers have to foot the bill to the tune 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.279 of one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars for these 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.840 events in the last two years alone. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.919 And so here we are in the middle of. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:28.039 A cost of living crisis and woke councils are sending 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:33.560 us broke. So congratulations to the alban Easy Voice referendum 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.960 legacy which is striking this country once again. The progressive 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:43.599 left have been slowly infiltrating and really ultimately seeking to 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.080 tear down the values and traditions of the Australia that 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.320 once was, with the aim of destroying everything British settlers 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:57.040 brought to Australia and destroying what our servicemen and women 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:02.039 fought for and continue to do so, which brings me 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:09.800 to my next maga hope make Albo go away, please please. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.880 And here is a really important question, Donald Trump asked 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.520 America only a few weeks ago. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.040 I'd like to begin by asking you a very simple question. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.800 Are you better off now than you were four years ago? 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.760 Simple? Isn't it? Is your life better now than it 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.400 was four years ago? 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:35.520 And overwhelmingly, of course, America said no, because their lives 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.640 had gotten worse under Joe Biden and Vice President Karmala Harris. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:45.400 With this being the nail in the coffin for Karmela. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.680 Would you have done something differently than President Biden during 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:48.919 the past four years? 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.400 There has done a thing that comes to mind in 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.839 terms of and I've been a part of most of 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.880 the decisions that have had impact. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:06:59.400 No. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.839 Nothing at all, and so I would ask at home 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.880 the same thing. Has your life improved in the last 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:12.400 two years since Albanezi took office despite these rolling promises. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.200 A plan to address cost of living, take pressure off 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.840 cost of living, pressure off the cost of living, the 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.160 cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, relief. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.840 Downward pressure on cost of living. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.000 And it's clear you at home beg to differ because 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.160 it's reflecting in this month's polls, just like it has 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.160 for the past month. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.000 Now. According to the latest News poll, primary. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.680 Support for the Coalition has lifted to forty percent for 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.360 the first time since the twenty twenty two election, and 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.840 Peter Dutton's net approval now it surpasses that of Anthony Albanesi. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.280 The Prime Minister's personal ratings have also dipped, as you 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.280 can see, to a new low, and the leadership contest 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.640 has narrowed now to its closest margin yet. Now this 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.040 is good news for Peter Dutton. It means that he 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:03.720 is indeed cutting through. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:04.720 He's electable. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.160 It absolutely puts the Coalition in a more positive position 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:12.600 heading into the next election. However, this still remains below 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.120 what the Coalition would need to win the next election. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.600 And based on those numbers, and we're going to go 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.720 through it with our panel very closely. Shortly being a 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.080 hung Parliament and a minority Labor government is likely. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.920 But the US election result shows that when the silent majority. 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:34.760 Have had enough, they have had enough, and we need 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:40.240 to make Australia great again, more courage less, woke. It's 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:45.400 time for a change, to put Australia first and restore 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.319 our values, just like our servicemen and women have done 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.880 and thankfully continue to do so. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.600 Well, let's get straight into it. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.680 Joining me now is your regular Monday Panel of National 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.160 Senator Matt Canavan, Sky News contributor Sam Crosby. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.320 Really good to have you on the show this evening. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.720 Look, Sam, if you were Labor and you were reading 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.120 those poles when you spit your coffee out this morning, you. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.880 Wouldn't be feeling very optimistic, would you. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.280 Well, I am Labor, yeah, and I didn't spit my 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:15.800 coffee out. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:16.320 Look. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.640 Obviously it's not good. Obviously it's not good. I think 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.040 I think Joe Biden said it's not a good time 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.240 to be an incumbent party anywhere in the world, and 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.840 I think that's correct. We've got globally, inflation has just 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.040 been breaking everyone's back and I think the punters are 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.680 telling us, you know, loud and clear, that they're not happy, 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:36.960 and I think the government's got to listen to that. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.520 I think the announcement last weekend focusing on education, on 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.000 hex and on tape places was a really good start 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:44.439 on that. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.440 And you know, I think any rational. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.240 Person would acknowledge that it's been pretty difficult weeks for 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.680 labor in Australia and cerah. Left of center parties across 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.079 the world has been a pretty rough couple of weeks. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.760 But no, Look, I think the the government's got a 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.880 job to do, so I hope they're going to and 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:03.120 do it. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.640 Well, let's dive into those poles. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.280 This news pole revealed the primary support for the coalition 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.760 is lifted by two points, so now reaching forty percent 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.640 for the first time since the election. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.040 This bump in support was also mirrored in. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.120 The last Resolve poll, where support for the opposition has 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.880 reached thirty nine percent. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.720 Matt Canavan, how would you read these numbers? Now? What 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.320 does it mean for Peter Dutton? 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.960 Well, opportunity Knox Daneka, We've got a real opportunity here 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:36.000 to create history. First term governan's never been defeated in 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.440 this country, not since the days of the Great Depression. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.400 So look, we've got a big task ahead of us. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.240 It's a political equivalent of climbing Mount Everest. It's a 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.640 long route. I think Peter Dutton's leadership has put us 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.800 in this position. He's taken some brave choices on things 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.920 like nuclear energy. But look, we can't rest on our laurels. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:00.000 As Is commented today about these polls, even if they 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.680 were repeated on election day, they're unlikely to deliver the 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.000 coalition government and certainly not a majority government. So we've 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.160 got to put in a lot of effort here to 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.440 convince the Australian people. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:10.560 That we're the right choice. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.960 As I say, I think Peter's doing that with the 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:13.959 plans he's mapping out. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.360 But we've got more to do here. We've got a 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:15.920 lot more to do. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.200 I think we've got to sharpen up our policies around 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.960 climate change. And it's pretty clear now with Donald Trump's election, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.079 the rest of the world is not doing this stuff, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.200 so why would we continue it. It's time to put 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.280 Australians first. And the real lesson from Trump's election is 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.160 we've got to look after this country. We've got to 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.920 get back to using our natural resources for the benefit 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.520 of all Australians, provide Australians a better future for our children. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.800 I do want to get to energy policies in a second, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.280 but Sam, look, what do you think are the lessons 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.080 here from Trump's victory. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.079 We speak about the. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.960 Woke and I think that culture was in this country 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.520 matter now the Voice referendum. There's kids being indoctrinated in 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.520 the classrooms welcome to country. Every five minutes they're saying 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.400 apologies to the stolen generation. An impact when you think 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:02.959 about what's happened in the US. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.679 Well, I mean the apology of this dollin generation happened, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.360 you know, a decade ago. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.000 Yeah, but the kids are being told apologize, say sorry. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:10.440 Sure. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.680 I think it's I think it's really superficial to look 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.840 too hard at the American landscape and transpose it onto 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.800 the Australian political landscape, where on the face of it, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.240 we're very similar, similar cultures, similar ideologies, but you dig 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.559 just one layer deeper and it's very different political cultures 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.760 compared to America. I mean, look, the big takeaway for 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.520 me from America was Carmla's people did not turn out. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:37.960 You know, she got the same number of votes that 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.240 Hillary Clinton did in twenty sixteen. Donald Trump had two 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.080 million fewer votes than he got in twenty twenty two million, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.280 you know, so it's hardly this great resurgence. He got 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.480 two million fewer votes. You know, het won the populace 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.720 did well. No, no, he absolutely trounced Carmela, but her people 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.280 did not turn out. Joe Biden got eighty one million votes. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.560 To put it into perspective, and yeah, sure these are 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:01.360 all popular votes. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.000 But sorry, Matte, Well. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.160 Look, I'm not analyzing this from a sepsology perspective or 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.680 a political perspective. I completely agree a political systems are different. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.720 I completely agree that Donald Trump's election does not mean 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.280 or presage that Peter Tuttle will be Prime. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:17.000 Minister next year. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.400 But there are implications for our country. The fact is 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.480 that Donald Trump is going to rip up this so 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.520 called rules based order, which has been on its deathbed 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.760 now for about a decade. But it's gone. It's over, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.120 and it's time for our country to face hard truths, 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.880 hard cold truths that we've been ignoring for too long. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.320 Papering over the cracks, thinking that America will come to 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.439 our defense in the case of a military quarrel, or 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.120 that China will come to our savior if there's an 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.960 economic downturn. We've got to take care of our own country. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.200 We just haven't done that. There's no leadership doing that 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.760 right now, because we continue to sign up to these 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.240 useless global agreements which don't aren't worth the paper they're 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.520 written on, and are not providing anything for this country. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.680 We have had This nation has had the largest drop 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.000 in living standards in anywhere in the world since COVID, anyway, 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.600 the developed world, I should say, the largest drop in 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.160 living standards in the developed world. And where is the 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.360 strategy to dig us out of this quagmire? Instead, we're 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.000 having discussions about banning YouTube for kids, wiping off massive 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:17.840 mass of student debt. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:19.360 It's a band aid solution. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.560 It's not going to fix the long term structural problems 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.920 in our economy, in our society that is I say, 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.080 threatening the future of our children. I mean, are our 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.720 kids is going to have a better future. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:29.800 Than we do? 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.800 I am asking myself that question now, and you shouldn't 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.280 have to ask this question in a country there's blessed 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.520 with so much opportunity and resources as we are. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.640 Yeah, I think that's a really good point by Matt. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.840 We shouldn't have to ask those questions. But I want 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.120 to also point to some other polling that came out 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.880 today which said that forty percent of voters think Donald 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.960 Trump's victory will be bad for Australia and also shown 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.440 that a clear majority of Ossie's do not want to 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.440 take sides of Trump Heighten's tensions with China, with fifty 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.560 seven percent saying that we should actually stay out of 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.760 that conflict. Now, Sam, obviously nobody wants to see another 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.440 conflict in the world, and Australia does need to stand 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.760 up for itself. But how do you see this playing out? 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.080 What do you think this will mean for Australia. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.120 I mean, I think Matt started to make the point 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:11.960 and I agree if he was going to make the 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.160 point that it does have profound implications for Australia. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.320 You know, UCUS being the first one. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.680 Mike Pompeio was one of the architects, if you like, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.160 behind the scenes of UCAS and had been a big 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:30.680 supporter of it, albeit from his opposition. That's now he's 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:34.680 now out of the spotlight. If Trump proceeds with a 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.160 universal tariff, a tariff increase, as he said he would, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.360 you know, will that affect Australia And if it does, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:42.920 how much? 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.040 And where is that going to hurt? 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.320 I mean, I dare say a bunch of Matt's constituents 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.720 out there in Queensland sell a whole pile of beef 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.520 and what not into America. So we've got to think 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.000 through those implications. No, you know, I think there will 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:01.800 be profound economic consequences in the very near term. Look 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.960 what this means for China will have to wait and see. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.080 You know, we can spend all night looking at this 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.040 and trying to figure it out. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:11.680 We'll just have to wait and see. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:13.280 Yeah, okay, well depends. Now. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:14.960 Look, I know you're both ready to fire up on 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.000 this one because speaking of Donald Trump, he is expected 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.280 to pull out of the Paris Agreements some Nationals MPs 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.960 and now urging Peter Dutton to vow to do the 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.720 same ahead of next year's election and revisit the Coalition 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.600 support for net zero by twenty fifty. Now know, Matt 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.040 Canavan is ready to fire up on this one, but 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.400 so Sam I'm going to start with you sure, good 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.000 or bad. I know what your answer is going to be, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.400 but I'm assuming. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:37.760 Don't do it. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:38.680 What's my answering to be. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.560 You say, don't pull out, keep going. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.400 I'm going to say, I hope Peter Dutton does. I 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.640 want to see Anthony Alberinezi re elected. And when you 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.000 go through the votes in the seats that Peter Dutton 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.080 needs to win, he doesn't need to win them in 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:54.880 National Party seats. He needs to win them in metropolitan cities. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.640 He needs to win them in areas that prioritize climate 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.120 as being one of their top concerns. So if he 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.720 wants to pull out of Paris and Matt's group wins, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.880 the argument in the Nationals and Liberal party room, wonderful. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:10.080 Yeah. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:11.960 But the problem is, Sam, is that we can't even 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.280 meet our twenty thirty targets. We've been worn by aemo 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.600 that we're not going to get there. Surely the best 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.640 thing to do if not pull out, cancel twenty fifty, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:22.879 slow it down. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:23.639 We're not ready. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.040 No, I've seen a number of different things saying that 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.320 we'll either hit it or only just miss it. And 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.560 I think at the end of the day. If you 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.760 get ninety percent of the way there, that's better than 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:35.879 zero percent of the way there. You can if you 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.359 can do a good job, then let's try to do 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.040 a good job. If it's not an excellent job. 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.280 All right, let's go to Mat Cadavan. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.440 Look, you've been vocal about this scrap net zero altogether, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.840 is that we'll still what you want, Matt. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.040 I've always said that it's an absurd idea. We're not 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.040 going to meet net zero by twenty fifty. That's not 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.720 going to happen, and no one else is. And this 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.280 is somewhat independent of Donald Trump. Yes, he's going to 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.960 formally take the United States out of Paris, but the 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.440 US hasn't been taking it seriously to day anyway. Last year, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.200 under Joe Biden, the US produced more oil than any 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:13.960 country in any year ever. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.360 Ever, they're they're. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.439 Not doing this, and China, of course, is building two 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.240 COULP flight powerstations a week. Indonesia have been building coldplight 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.119 powerstations like they're going out of fashion. They've done so 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.439 to such an extent they have effectively stolen our nickel industry. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.560 We've lost basically all of our nickel industry to Indonesia 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.840 over the past year. So Sam says about doing ninety 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.720 percent of something does good, The question is what good 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.479 is that to Australias. How does this improve anyone's life 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.560 in this country? It doesn't obviously do anything for the environment, 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.520 given we're only one point one percent of global emissions, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.120 and nowhere else in the world, including pre Trump's America 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.840 is taking this stuff seriously. Now, all Trump is going 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.719 to do is actually put into writing and put into 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.800 words in effect, the very thing that America has been 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.640 doing to date. Anyway, Now, maybe that will be enough 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.920 of a wake up call for us to get off 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.560 this train. Because Sam talks about the risk of Trump's tariffs, 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.520 it just sort of boggles my mind that this is 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.520 going to be a ten percent tariff apparently a ten 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.800 percent tariff on Australian goods, But what about the energy 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:16.680 price tariff that. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.280 Our businesses are facing to date. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.720 We pay now two to three times more for energy 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.359 for electricity and gas than they do in the US. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.520 That is a much much bigger tariff on Australian business 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.680 than anything Trump's going to impose through a trade deal 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:35.080 or a trade policy change. That doesn't bother fix the 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.240 issues in our own economy. Yes, it does bother me, Sam, 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.560 But the point here is that there is much bigger 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.240 issues in our own economy that we can fix that 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.720 would pale into insignificance. The issue of a ten percent tariff. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.840 We fix our energy price tarraff. What about the labor 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.760 laws tariff. There are ridiculous changes this governor's presided over. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:59.200 It's torn up the pulkeating industry bargaining process and taking 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.120 us back more than a generation, back to nine fifty 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:02.600 years ago. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.879 All I can say, all I can I hope that 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:07.080 immigration mess. 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:08.080 This government has presided. 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.600 I hope exactly what you were saying right now, Matt, 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.480 because I think if he gets up there and says 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.760 exactly what you're saying right now, I think Albaniz he 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:16.920 gets elected in a heartbeat. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.119 In a heartbeat, I thought you thought you thought. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.879 Mohara's just going to win a month ago to you 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:26.480