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Speaker 2: I've got arrested for that too.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sitting at Pendridge at seventeen years and three months.

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Speaker 3: I'ld charged with five attempted murders, use a fire of

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Speaker 3: prevent love mansion, the break enders and steel as a

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Speaker 3: seventeen year old kid. And I'm sitting in jail thinking, wow,

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Speaker 3: this is this is it. I'm never going to get

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Speaker 3: of jail. And I was a pretty little boy, blonde hair,

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Speaker 3: blue eyes, you know, But I think, you know, what

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Speaker 3: what did Dad say when you found out this? Oh

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Speaker 3: he was wrapped because I'm when I say wrapped, I'm

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Speaker 3: his son. He thinks his footsteps have a shooters the

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Speaker 3: shooting of the coppers good on your sort of type

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Speaker 3: of thing. And and plus the word went into the

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Speaker 3: prison as his Ishwood's kid. You look after him, and

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Speaker 3: you know, and I had old guy. I sent a

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Speaker 3: message and sent a chocolate hi, which was unheard of

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Speaker 3: those days, and sending me a stand which across from

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Speaker 3: the kitchen, which is unheard of. You know, all the boards,

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Speaker 3: as in the boards are going like who's this guy?

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Speaker 3: He's getting all these messages and food and everything set

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Speaker 3: and the prison officers are coming across in here and

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Speaker 3: you're a stand which you know, like that's from Charlie

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Speaker 3: as c division.

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Speaker 2: I thank you. You know. So to me, jar wasn't scary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't it be?

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Speaker 2: It was. You know, people think Charle's full of tigers

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Speaker 2: and lions. It's not. It's not.

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Speaker 3: It's not for a lot today it's a lot worse

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Speaker 3: because the drugs destroyed it. But and so what happened

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Speaker 3: for me, Neil was while I was in jail, the

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Speaker 3: government in there. You remember I'm seven stone seven. I

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Speaker 3: was a boxer. I was seven stone seven, so that's

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Speaker 3: not very big. I don't know that is in kilos.

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Speaker 3: It was tiny. And they put me on a drug

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Speaker 3: called like Actual, which is a psyche drug to control me.

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Speaker 3: That was the beginning of my addiction.

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Speaker 3: So I'd never never take took a drug in my life.

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Speaker 3: The reason for that because they said I was violent.

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Speaker 3: And you know, don't get me wrong. If there's some

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Speaker 3: sort of pedophile and theyre going to come and say, hey, son,

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Speaker 3: and I think anyone in their right mind would hurt them,

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Speaker 3: and so they put me on like actual to control

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Speaker 3: me and to stop me from being a menace.

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Speaker 2: So I was pested. I was a pest. I'm seventy

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Speaker 2: year old kid. I'm trying to show the world that

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Speaker 2: I'm a tough guy. My father. How long?

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Speaker 1: How long into your in society did they do that

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Speaker 3: Within six months they had me on like actual. Within

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Speaker 3: six months they put me on lie actual and I

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Speaker 3: went through the system. I wasn't in there for I

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Speaker 3: got found not guilty of the attempted murders the waterside workers,

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Speaker 3: painters and doctors had. It was very similar to the

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Speaker 3: Sydney that were highly connected that had magistrates under the

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Speaker 3: under their wing. Say, by the time I went to court,

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Speaker 3: I got found not guilty of this. They lost the

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Speaker 3: evidence to that the gods that pointed me out the

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Speaker 3: line out said no, that's not the guy, they said,

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Speaker 3: And then the prosecution is, why did you say that

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Speaker 3: was the guy? Because the policeman told me said it

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Speaker 3: and go like this is this is just a joke,

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Speaker 3: and I just missed the charges. But I still got

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Speaker 3: thirty six months to serve as a juvenile. But I

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Speaker 3: got out of jail, and what happened was I become

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Speaker 3: a drug addict. I didn't know that there's no as

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Speaker 3: information about drug addiction. So nineteen seventy four, I started

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Speaker 3: injecting heroin and the whole world changed. The gangsters didn't

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Speaker 3: want to know about me because you're a junkie, your liability.

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Speaker 3: We'd moved to Sydney.

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Speaker 1: Did you hide it first or did you not.

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Speaker 2: Know I hit it at first?

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Speaker 3: It's quite sad in retrospect, I got cause you lose

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Speaker 3: I was always super fit eye and you know, and

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Speaker 3: I love fighting. I like fighting. I actually like boxing.

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Speaker 3: I really enjoy to me, it's a sport, it's a

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Speaker 3: if you enjoy this because you're good at it, you know, No,

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Speaker 3: it's just ship Golfred loves playing golf, you know what

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Speaker 3: and I got really skinny, and I remember the guys

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Speaker 3: money because I thought I had stomach cancer because I

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Speaker 3: and I said, I've got stomach cancer. So these guys

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Speaker 3: to donate to me to help me get me through,

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Speaker 3: it's quite sad. And then when they found out I

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Speaker 3: the drug the drug world had taken over the underworld.

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Speaker 2: And the guys that kicked me out of the drug

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Speaker 3: Driving a new Judet Felcon, you know, the good looking

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Speaker 3: I was a heroin Addicts'. Of course what you do

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Speaker 3: the seventies you bought heroin for five hundred dollars a

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Speaker 3: you paid triplets for it, you know, you paid pennies

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Speaker 3: heroines came out of Asia. It didn't come out of

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Speaker 3: No one was robbing each other, and it was a

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Speaker 3: Things aren't quite the same. It was normal, was trending.

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Speaker 3: There's no more drugs squad theres nocesses and drugs buy

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Speaker 3: those days that's were called customers agents. They hear from Piermont.

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Speaker 3: They'd come and raid your house and half the time

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Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't the where it became, you know.

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Speaker 3: But I went in and out of prison all just

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Speaker 3: I was never pinched for dope. They loaded me up once,

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Speaker 3: the cops loaded me up in the seventies, and this

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Speaker 3: is where I found out Melbourne was different from Sydney.

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Speaker 3: All the coppers up here are on the take. In

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Speaker 3: Melbourne they weren't like that. The copp has just got you.

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Speaker 3: In Bassua, they'd have to bash you in your confession

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Speaker 3: if you didn't confess. Your record of interview wasn't allowed

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Speaker 3: in court. So there's no such thing as verbal. So

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Speaker 3: if you just stack staunch half the time, you'd never

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Speaker 3: get found guilty down there because there was no verbal

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Speaker 3: and so I got arrested up here and the cops

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Speaker 2: You know, it was the only drug comnion I ever had.

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Speaker 3: And then they said you got to give the cops

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Speaker 3: five hundred and I was like, oh, you know, so

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Speaker 3: I gave them five hundred. Well, the next week the

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Speaker 3: We don't want money. And that's when I realized that

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Speaker 3: you pay them, they own you. And I just really

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Speaker 2: Cross because they ended up up the cross And did

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Speaker 2: you sell it?

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Speaker 1: Were you selling more or were you taking more?

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Speaker 3: I was taking more. I was always my own best customer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was always my own best customer.

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Speaker 1: Like how much we talk how much of an addiction was, Well.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about pure heroin now, not street heroin.

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Speaker 3: I'd open a ten grand bag, the stuff that we'd

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Speaker 3: get out of Panang becoming ten grand bags.

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Speaker 2: They weren't.

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Speaker 3: And there's like a big sausage. It's made like a

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Speaker 3: half days. Was gone, ah pure, And I used to

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Speaker 3: And the guy got out of jail. He come to

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Speaker 3: he had a mate with him. He said, can you

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Speaker 3: give I made a shot? You know, he just got

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Speaker 3: out of the nick and you know, I'm I'm not

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Speaker 2: I fuck, you know.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, there's a little bit of brown staying on the spoon.

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Speaker 3: I squared to be back in there, misseduff for him

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Speaker 3: and he odeed and I thought it must be a week.

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Speaker 3: You know, it must be really weak personal can you

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Speaker 3: so high because I was using so much dope. You know,

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Speaker 3: even though I didn't even realize it, I become heroin.

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Speaker 3: You built a very big tolans very quickly. That's why

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Speaker 3: it's such a horrible drug. Not as bad as ice,

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Speaker 3: but you know, such a horrible drug. Heroin is a

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Speaker 3: physical drug. You know, you get stoned, you fell asleep,

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Speaker 3: you set fire to your pillow. You set feel like

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Speaker 3: fight to your mattress. Where the new drugs these days

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Speaker 3: they set fight to your brain. They cooked their brain humans.

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Speaker 3: I'm fried. You know you never heard that term in

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Speaker 3: the open days. We just all fell asleep, just fell asleep,

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Speaker 3: I fell asleep. And then in nine in eighty one,

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Speaker 3: I was I just got out of jail, and I've

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Speaker 3: met a good guy in there. His name was warrelyan

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Speaker 3: frenchie Roger Rogerson killed him. Well, French and I mates.

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Speaker 3: We trained together. We trained, and I was telling French

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Speaker 3: French was you for stick up some stick up some

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Speaker 3: guy and there's no money stick ups and there's ore

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Speaker 3: the money.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We trained every single day and we're super fit, and

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Speaker 3: drug addiction. And I got out of jail. The French

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Speaker 3: you'd been out about five months. You started working for

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Speaker 3: Needy Smith, started selling gift for Eddie and so I

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Speaker 3: get the French.

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Speaker 2: He hears I'm out.

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Speaker 3: He comes and sees me, mate, give you half an

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Speaker 3: hounce and give you a start, you know, thanks brother,

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Speaker 3: you know. And he turned up, you know, six days later,

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Speaker 3: I'm short. I've used most of it. He's like, what happened?

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Speaker 3: I said, mate, it just gives another half and I'll

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Speaker 3: get you know, the week later, I'm short. And he said, mate,

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Speaker 3: who the fuck are you? Where's my mate? Where's Ronnie?

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Speaker 3: Where's my mate from jail? You know, the bloat that

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Speaker 3: was Staunches loyal? Where's he gone?

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Speaker 2: And he did.

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Speaker 3: He said to me, there's a funny joke. We said, joke,

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Speaker 3: but he said, We said, I Don'm gonna have to

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Speaker 3: just keep letting you rob me, he said. He said,

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Speaker 3: everyone's going to rob me. But that's what a dish

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Speaker 3: had done to me. I could no longer be reliable, consistent,

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Speaker 3: you know, I couldn't. I couldn't do anything, maneyf for

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Speaker 3: come time to get a shot or save your life.

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Speaker 3: You're dead because the drugs just took over thing. That's

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Speaker 3: why I hated them so much. That's why I hate

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Speaker 3: them today. I hate what drugs can do to good people.

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