WEBVTT - Inside Iran’s secret underground ‘military cities’

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday, April seven, twenty twenty six. Negotiations for a

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<v Speaker 1>forty five day ceasefire in Iran are reportedly underway after

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump issued an extraordinary foul mouthed social media rant

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<v Speaker 1>giving Iran just hours to allow the world access to

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East oil. Trump told Iran's quote crazy bastards to

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<v Speaker 1>reopen the effing Straight of hor Moors, threatening to destroy bridges,

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<v Speaker 1>power plants and send the whole country to hell. Right

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<v Speaker 1>now at the Australian dot com dot U and always,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got the analysis and reporting to help you get

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<v Speaker 1>to grips with the latest in this remarkable moment in history.

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<v Speaker 1>Vast underground tunnel systems, packed with fuel, drones and missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how Iran has managed to hold out against

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<v Speaker 1>the combined might of the US and Israeli assault for

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<v Speaker 1>well over a month. Today, our reporter shukof As are

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<v Speaker 1>on the photos that change how we understand around strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Shukafa is here in just a moment. Shukafa Azaria is

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<v Speaker 1>a journalist with The Australian. She's been covering the around

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<v Speaker 1>war and Shuka. Fore, you've done some amazing reporting in

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<v Speaker 1>recent days about a network of Iranian underground missile facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen incredible pictures. What are we seeing in those images?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, last week one of the largest facilities on their ground,

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<v Speaker 2>facilities in the city of yazz where hits boy bomb

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<v Speaker 2>and it's made people aware of this kind of underground

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<v Speaker 2>military cities. We knew about them. We knew that the

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<v Speaker 2>Regym is building some of these underground facilities, but we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know about their scale and the expenses and the

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<v Speaker 2>size of these facilities. So since last week many videos

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<v Speaker 2>and photos and information were published and so far we

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<v Speaker 2>know that these facilities are included of many tunnels and

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<v Speaker 2>fueler storage, mizzele and drone storage and rail system. They

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<v Speaker 2>have metro, they are multi level structures. We were not

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<v Speaker 2>aware of these at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're amazingly sophisticated. There are lights, they're big enough for

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<v Speaker 1>large vehicles, you know, goods vehicles to drive through. Where

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<v Speaker 1>are these facilities and what do we think is actually

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<v Speaker 1>going on on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>So our information are really limited because always all of

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<v Speaker 2>these facilities were built in secrecy in lasts at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years. The governments revealed the first underground missile city

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fifteen, and after that they introduced four or

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<v Speaker 2>five of them, and they didn't mention the details or

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't mention what city they are built. What now

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<v Speaker 2>we know? Since last week many people have started publishing information,

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<v Speaker 2>photos and images and videos also, so we now know

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<v Speaker 2>that some of these cities are built in Cherman, buchher Terran,

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<v Speaker 2>carriage Esfahan, Cistan and Balucheston, and especially in the Persian Gulf. Course,

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<v Speaker 2>we know there are some in northern Iran, and we

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<v Speaker 2>also know that there are many of them in Zoglos

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<v Speaker 2>Mountains in the western of Iran. Before we told that

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<v Speaker 2>there are only four or five of them. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about sixty or seventies of advance underground military sites.

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<v Speaker 1>What would ordinary Iranians have known about them? And is

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<v Speaker 1>it ordinary Iranians who are publishing those photographs that we're

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<v Speaker 1>now seeing all these facilities?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, since last week, actually it's brought lots of shocks

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<v Speaker 2>when last week the years sites were hit by the bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>So many information published and now people are more aware

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<v Speaker 2>of what's going on on the ground eron actually and

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<v Speaker 2>people saying in social media, people are saying the regime

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<v Speaker 2>pushed us to poverty on ground of the country, but

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<v Speaker 2>on their ground they built, you know, super expensive military facilities.

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<v Speaker 2>So now people know that there are many of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But many informations that we have comes from you know, people,

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<v Speaker 2>not from the resources or valid resources. We just know.

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<v Speaker 2>People send us photos and they say in our areas,

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<v Speaker 2>we see the size, we see this activity, but no

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<v Speaker 2>one can prove.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the fact that people are now talking

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<v Speaker 1>about these facilities tells us how they were built like

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<v Speaker 1>that they weren't necessarily just built by the military, but

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<v Speaker 1>they had to use civilian Iranian people to build these facilities,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how people know about them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, always around of these kind of activities are covered,

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<v Speaker 2>so people know the army's facilities or cars and vehicles

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<v Speaker 2>coming and going, but no one knows what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the main point. And we know that our country

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<v Speaker 2>is rich, we are one of the most important resources

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<v Speaker 2>of gas and oil in the world, but the people

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<v Speaker 2>and the country gets in puller and puller in lasts

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<v Speaker 2>at least two decades, and that's made people so shocked

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<v Speaker 2>and angry, and they sent any information that they have.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about it, and we are talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a systematic sense censorship. The system is built to censor information.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have so many journalists in the prison, We

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<v Speaker 2>have so many environmental activists in prison just because they

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<v Speaker 2>reveal parts of these activities.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tell me about those environmental activists. How have their

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<v Speaker 1>activities kind of been associated with these under ground facilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now we understand, actually we understand why the regime

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<v Speaker 2>arrest and torture and crack down the environmental activists. Since

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, the government released the information about the first

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<v Speaker 2>underground facility in twenty fifteen and early twenty sixteen, we've

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<v Speaker 2>been evidence of arresting and the torturing and imprisonment and

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<v Speaker 2>also killing off many environmental activities. It was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>question for all of us. For more than twenty years,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know what's going on. But now we understand

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<v Speaker 2>that many of them find information unwantedly, perhaps because all

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<v Speaker 2>of these activities happen out of the cities in the desert,

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<v Speaker 2>in the natural resources and sights, and they unwantedly record

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps some of these activities, and that's why the regime

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<v Speaker 2>immediately sage reaction we know that in twenty sixteen more

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<v Speaker 2>than fifty environmentalvi's been prisoned and more than twenty of

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<v Speaker 2>them being chilled.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we already knew. I think that Iran's proxies in

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<v Speaker 1>the region, like Hamas in Gaza and perhaps Hezbela and Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 1>we're using underground facilities. That's certainly been one of Israel's

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<v Speaker 1>war aims in Gaza was to get rid of Hamasa's

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<v Speaker 1>network of tunnels. How did the revelations about Iran's tunnels

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<v Speaker 1>in the Iranian mainland kind of match up with what

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<v Speaker 1>we already knew about what those proxies were doing in

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<v Speaker 1>other territories.

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<v Speaker 2>Expert believes that many of these underground military sites in Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 2>Syria and as there are built or were supported financially

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<v Speaker 2>by regime, Islamic regime in Iran, and we don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there are more in Yemen or Nigeria. In you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they are also active in some parts of Africa. And

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<v Speaker 2>what we know is that all of these military groups

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<v Speaker 2>middles and Africa were created or supported by this regime

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<v Speaker 2>and with the costs of Iranian people, and we have

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<v Speaker 2>been pushed to poverty. So the regime can build this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of huge underground military systems, and what we know

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<v Speaker 2>is that perhaps there should be more of these facilities

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground in you know, Lebanon, Cereal, and as

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, maybe other countries like Yemen, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>these came with our price.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, Iran has developed a kind of warfare that involves

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<v Speaker 1>storing large amounts of stuff underground, using underground systems to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate and so on. What does it tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>Iran's kind of readiness for war, you know, over the

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<v Speaker 1>past few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, actually, it obviously tell us that the regime was

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready for these activities for at least for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventeen nine, when the regime funded immediately they

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<v Speaker 2>involved with this eight years war with Iraq and absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>unnecessary war. There was not any conflict between Iran and

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<v Speaker 2>Iraq until they created that. So for almost ten years

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<v Speaker 2>they were involved with the war. And after that, when

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<v Speaker 2>they saw that they are weak in many ways in

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<v Speaker 2>military facilities and systems, they start building this kind The

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<v Speaker 2>idea of building this on the ground cities came after

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<v Speaker 2>Iran Iraq war, so it means they were getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty thirty years and they spent all of the

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<v Speaker 2>wilds of this country on these stupid military facilities.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, after a long and old, duous journey from Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>around women's football team is back home. The squad spouse

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<v Speaker 3>scene here passed through gob Lot Boarder crossing on Wednesday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>With Iranian airs space closed. The delegation flew via Malaysia

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<v Speaker 3>and Oman then London. In Istanbul Suokar for.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time we had you on the front we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about the Lionesses, the Iranian female soccer team,

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<v Speaker 1>who have now largely returned to Iran. What is the latest?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there still one Lioness here in Australia And do

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<v Speaker 1>we know anything about what's happened to the women who

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<v Speaker 1>went home?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know from Iranian news in Farsi that as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as they went to Iran, they've been used as

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<v Speaker 2>a part of regime propaganda as usual. So after a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of attention and noises that Australia created around these liyonesses,

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<v Speaker 2>the regime claimed that the gears were held in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>against their real that's very funny, and some of them

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<v Speaker 2>became secre refrugie against their will. So we all know

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<v Speaker 2>that it is a lie, and we know that it

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<v Speaker 2>actually it's very funny to even claim that. And now

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<v Speaker 2>what we hear is that a huge silence. And this

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<v Speaker 2>silence always should be very deeply consented or consent, because

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<v Speaker 2>when it's silence come, it means the regime arrested them

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<v Speaker 2>and put them in pressures, question them and introgate them,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they are not in prison officially. Two of

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<v Speaker 2>them sayed in Australia and other two of them that

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<v Speaker 2>they first said they want to say in Australia, they're

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<v Speaker 2>back to it on because I believe and many believe

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<v Speaker 2>because of the pressure of the regime on their family,

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<v Speaker 2>so they made decisions to back to actually save their families.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for joining us, no problem, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. Shukta Aza is a reporter with The Australian.

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<v Speaker 1>You can read all the latest from the Middle East

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<v Speaker 3>Dou