1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, April seven, twenty twenty six. Negotiations for a 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: forty five day ceasefire in Iran are reportedly underway after 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump issued an extraordinary foul mouthed social media rant 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: giving Iran just hours to allow the world access to 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Middle East oil. Trump told Iran's quote crazy bastards to 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: reopen the effing Straight of hor Moors, threatening to destroy bridges, 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: power plants and send the whole country to hell. Right 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com dot U and always, 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: we've got the analysis and reporting to help you get 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: to grips with the latest in this remarkable moment in history. 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Vast underground tunnel systems, packed with fuel, drones and missiles. 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: This is how Iran has managed to hold out against 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: the combined might of the US and Israeli assault for 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: well over a month. Today, our reporter shukof As are 16 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: on the photos that change how we understand around strategy. 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: Shukafa is here in just a moment. Shukafa Azaria is 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: a journalist with The Australian. She's been covering the around 19 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: war and Shuka. Fore, you've done some amazing reporting in 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: recent days about a network of Iranian underground missile facilities. 21 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: We've seen incredible pictures. What are we seeing in those images? 22 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: Yes, last week one of the largest facilities on their ground, 23 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: facilities in the city of yazz where hits boy bomb 24 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: and it's made people aware of this kind of underground 25 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: military cities. We knew about them. We knew that the 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: Regym is building some of these underground facilities, but we 27 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: didn't know about their scale and the expenses and the 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: size of these facilities. So since last week many videos 29 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: and photos and information were published and so far we 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: know that these facilities are included of many tunnels and 31 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: fueler storage, mizzele and drone storage and rail system. They 32 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: have metro, they are multi level structures. We were not 33 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: aware of these at all. 34 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: They're amazingly sophisticated. There are lights, they're big enough for 35 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: large vehicles, you know, goods vehicles to drive through. Where 36 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: are these facilities and what do we think is actually 37 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: going on on the ground. 38 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: So our information are really limited because always all of 39 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: these facilities were built in secrecy in lasts at least 40 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: twenty years. The governments revealed the first underground missile city 41 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, and after that they introduced four or 42 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: five of them, and they didn't mention the details or 43 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: they didn't mention what city they are built. What now 44 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,279 Speaker 2: we know? Since last week many people have started publishing information, 45 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: photos and images and videos also, so we now know 46 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: that some of these cities are built in Cherman, buchher Terran, 47 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: carriage Esfahan, Cistan and Balucheston, and especially in the Persian Gulf. Course, 48 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: we know there are some in northern Iran, and we 49 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: also know that there are many of them in Zoglos 50 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: Mountains in the western of Iran. Before we told that 51 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: there are only four or five of them. Now we 52 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: are talking about sixty or seventies of advance underground military sites. 53 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: What would ordinary Iranians have known about them? And is 54 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 1: it ordinary Iranians who are publishing those photographs that we're 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: now seeing all these facilities? 56 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: Yes, since last week, actually it's brought lots of shocks 57 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: when last week the years sites were hit by the bomb. 58 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: So many information published and now people are more aware 59 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: of what's going on on the ground eron actually and 60 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: people saying in social media, people are saying the regime 61 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: pushed us to poverty on ground of the country, but 62 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: on their ground they built, you know, super expensive military facilities. 63 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: So now people know that there are many of them. 64 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: But many informations that we have comes from you know, people, 65 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: not from the resources or valid resources. We just know. 66 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: People send us photos and they say in our areas, 67 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: we see the size, we see this activity, but no 68 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: one can prove. 69 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: Do you think the fact that people are now talking 70 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: about these facilities tells us how they were built like 71 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: that they weren't necessarily just built by the military, but 72 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: they had to use civilian Iranian people to build these facilities, 73 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: and that's how people know about them. 74 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: You know, always around of these kind of activities are covered, 75 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: so people know the army's facilities or cars and vehicles 76 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: coming and going, but no one knows what's going on. 77 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: That's the main point. And we know that our country 78 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: is rich, we are one of the most important resources 79 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: of gas and oil in the world, but the people 80 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: and the country gets in puller and puller in lasts 81 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: at least two decades, and that's made people so shocked 82 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: and angry, and they sent any information that they have. 83 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: We are talking about it, and we are talking about 84 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: a systematic sense censorship. The system is built to censor information. 85 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: And we have so many journalists in the prison, We 86 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: have so many environmental activists in prison just because they 87 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: reveal parts of these activities. 88 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about those environmental activists. How have their 89 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: activities kind of been associated with these under ground facilities. 90 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now we understand, actually we understand why the regime 91 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: arrest and torture and crack down the environmental activists. Since 92 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, the government released the information about the first 93 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: underground facility in twenty fifteen and early twenty sixteen, we've 94 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: been evidence of arresting and the torturing and imprisonment and 95 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: also killing off many environmental activities. It was a huge 96 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: question for all of us. For more than twenty years, 97 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: we didn't know what's going on. But now we understand 98 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: that many of them find information unwantedly, perhaps because all 99 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: of these activities happen out of the cities in the desert, 100 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: in the natural resources and sights, and they unwantedly record 101 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: perhaps some of these activities, and that's why the regime 102 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: immediately sage reaction we know that in twenty sixteen more 103 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: than fifty environmentalvi's been prisoned and more than twenty of 104 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: them being chilled. 105 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Well, we already knew. I think that Iran's proxies in 106 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: the region, like Hamas in Gaza and perhaps Hezbela and Lebanon, 107 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: we're using underground facilities. That's certainly been one of Israel's 108 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: war aims in Gaza was to get rid of Hamasa's 109 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: network of tunnels. How did the revelations about Iran's tunnels 110 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: in the Iranian mainland kind of match up with what 111 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: we already knew about what those proxies were doing in 112 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: other territories. 113 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: Expert believes that many of these underground military sites in Lebanon, 114 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: Syria and as there are built or were supported financially 115 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: by regime, Islamic regime in Iran, and we don't know, 116 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: maybe there are more in Yemen or Nigeria. In you know, 117 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: they are also active in some parts of Africa. And 118 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: what we know is that all of these military groups 119 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: middles and Africa were created or supported by this regime 120 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: and with the costs of Iranian people, and we have 121 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: been pushed to poverty. So the regime can build this 122 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: kind of huge underground military systems, and what we know 123 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: is that perhaps there should be more of these facilities 124 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: on the ground in you know, Lebanon, Cereal, and as 125 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: I mentioned, maybe other countries like Yemen, and all of 126 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: these came with our price. 127 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: Obviously, Iran has developed a kind of warfare that involves 128 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: storing large amounts of stuff underground, using underground systems to 129 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: communicate and so on. What does it tell us about 130 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: Iran's kind of readiness for war, you know, over the 131 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: past few years. 132 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: Yes, actually, it obviously tell us that the regime was 133 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: getting ready for these activities for at least for twenty years. 134 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventeen nine, when the regime funded immediately they 135 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: involved with this eight years war with Iraq and absolutely 136 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: unnecessary war. There was not any conflict between Iran and 137 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: Iraq until they created that. So for almost ten years 138 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: they were involved with the war. And after that, when 139 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 2: they saw that they are weak in many ways in 140 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: military facilities and systems, they start building this kind The 141 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: idea of building this on the ground cities came after 142 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: Iran Iraq war, so it means they were getting ready 143 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: for twenty thirty years and they spent all of the 144 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: wilds of this country on these stupid military facilities. 145 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, after a long and old, duous journey from Australia, 146 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: around women's football team is back home. The squad spouse 147 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: scene here passed through gob Lot Boarder crossing on Wednesday afternoon. 148 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: With Iranian airs space closed. The delegation flew via Malaysia 149 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 3: and Oman then London. In Istanbul Suokar for. 150 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: The last time we had you on the front we 151 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: were talking about the Lionesses, the Iranian female soccer team, 152 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: who have now largely returned to Iran. What is the latest? 153 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: Is there still one Lioness here in Australia And do 154 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: we know anything about what's happened to the women who 155 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: went home? 156 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know from Iranian news in Farsi that as 157 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: soon as they went to Iran, they've been used as 158 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: a part of regime propaganda as usual. So after a 159 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: lot of attention and noises that Australia created around these liyonesses, 160 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 2: the regime claimed that the gears were held in Australia 161 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: against their real that's very funny, and some of them 162 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: became secre refrugie against their will. So we all know 163 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: that it is a lie, and we know that it 164 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: actually it's very funny to even claim that. And now 165 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: what we hear is that a huge silence. And this 166 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: silence always should be very deeply consented or consent, because 167 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: when it's silence come, it means the regime arrested them 168 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: and put them in pressures, question them and introgate them, 169 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 2: even if they are not in prison officially. Two of 170 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: them sayed in Australia and other two of them that 171 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: they first said they want to say in Australia, they're 172 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: back to it on because I believe and many believe 173 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: because of the pressure of the regime on their family, 174 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: so they made decisions to back to actually save their families. 175 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining us, no problem, Thank 176 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: you so much. Shukta Aza is a reporter with The Australian. 177 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: You can read all the latest from the Middle East 178 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: and around the world right now at the Australian dot com. 179 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: Dou