WEBVTT - FROM STRICT RELIGIOUS UPBRINGING TO O.F WITH GRACIE DZEJA 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.120 I do a lot of costume videos, which are a 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.840 lot more expensive, so like between like five hundred to 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.280 one thousand dollars for a custom video, and you get 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:09.360 some interesting requests. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.800 Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:23.160 things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.160 This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.480 intimate details, advice, and much more. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.040 Hello everyone, we have a very special guest. We have 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.080 Gracie in the studio and we are going to talk 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.920 all things only fans. We're going to talk about growing 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.000 up in a super religious family and much more. So. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.440 Let's introduce Gracie to the podcast. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.840 Hi, welcome having me, Welcome, Thank you for coming in. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:55.960 First question is where's your head at? 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.440 My head is I'm in a good I'm in a 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.600 good headspace. I've had a really good morning, so my 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.240 head is good and happy. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.440 Love that we're so happy you're here. 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.680 Yeah, and do you have a turn on and for 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:09.080 the week? 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.720 Okay, So that's just that's the top of my head. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.640 I would say a really good a cide ball which 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.880 I had this morning, Like it was just just a 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:19.000 granola ratio. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.720 The fruit was amazing. I got it from green Cup. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.600 Oh I love because I yeah, yeah, oh my god, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.520 especially the gold Coast is better. But Melbourne we may do, 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.840 and it would be I'd never been really sick recently, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.320 so that would be a bit of a nick. You're 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.880 in BALI recently. Yes, that was amazing. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.600 I got sick, okay, belly by belly. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.840 I got bally belly pretty bad. And I was here 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.120 last time. It was a colt E cola. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:50.640 How did you find that out? 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.200 I got tested? Oh my god, so yeah, I have 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.720 to do a stool sample and all that. I was bad. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.720 Like how many days were. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.920 It was like, well, definitely, like a couple like three three, 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.960 just like no good. We recorded episodes in like two 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.639 of those and that was. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.200 Like running to the toilet. It was so bad. We 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.240 did mid sentence and he was just like. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.640 Because when you gotta go, you gotta go now. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:18.960 And then I went back up to the Goldie and 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:20.919 I had like an event and I was sitting there 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:25.000 like a gala and I was just like and then yeah, 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.560 I think I left the Greece a couple of days later. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.760 The thing Bally is, it's so good, but the risk 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.720 of getting bali belly is sometimes sometimes not worth it. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.880 Well, I did take like these charcoal tablets and these 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.400 I think it's called like traveling or something, but anyway, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.760 I got lazy with it. And that's when the ballei 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.519 belly hit. So I was I was all good for 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.919 a couple of days. Yeah, she just got past my birthday, 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.280 like I think it was the next day. And then 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:53.760 it hit me and I was like, well, I just 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:54.200 want to die. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.000 So oh you poor thing, Happy birthday? Thank you? How 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.160 old were you? Turning seven? 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:58.840 Twenty seven? 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:00.440 Love it old? 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.679 No, we say all the time on the podcast, how 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:04.760 old we've got. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:05.720 We don't say that anymore. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:06.680 We don't say it anymore. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.680 I know how old you guys are. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.799 I'm thirty two, you look thirty five? 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:18.600 You like? 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.880 I think, yeah, feel I think I'll age like Patrick Dempsey. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:23.480 I don't know. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.239 Yeah, Mick dreaming, I think age. Yeah, I think that we'll. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:32.600 See Yeah, we'll see in another time. Ye years, my 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:33.880 gray hairs, that's coming through. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.760 You're married now, right, and congratulation and I love the 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:38.840 rock thank you. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.160 I know he did very well. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:48.480 Crazy you are a very well known only fans creator. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.360 So we want to talk a lot about your religious upbringing, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.640 but we want to start a little bit kind of 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.000 understanding how you got into only fans. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:57.680 Yeah. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.600 Sure, So I started five years ago pretty much when 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.040 Lockdown hit Melbourne. Yeah, I think that I was working 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.560 as a receptionist at a hotel. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:06.680 Hated it. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.560 It was working like long shifts. Literally just didn't see 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:10.760 a way out. And I was like, I don't even 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.000 know what I want to study. I don't want to 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:12.480 do anything. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.640 My actual guy best friend put me onto it. He's 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.520 I think you'd be really good at this. And I 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.640 took me a full. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.839 Year of having the account for I was like, okay, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.360 I'll actually launch it because I was. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.640 Like nobody wants to say this. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.400 I'm not like well known on Instagram, like I had 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.760 like four thousand followers. But I launched it straight at 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.960 the bart it was like really successful, Like I was shocked. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.600 And then within like the first. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.240 Year it made over like a million dollars. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.080 Obviously I quit my job as a receptionist. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.520 And so how do you get like so like you 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.640 weren't you said you weren't known on Instagram? Then how 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.960 do people come to your account? How they find out? 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:48.960 Like advertising? 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.200 Yeah, so at the time, I became really well known 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.880 on TikTok, so I think I had over a million 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.919 followers on different accounts. They were doing, they were raking 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.720 it in like I think, yeah, they were insane for growth, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.880 so they took me. They like they went over to 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.520 my Instagram from there where the link was because you 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.480 can't put on TikTok and that just basically blew it 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.960 up that way. So I don't know if I would 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.040 have had the same level of success if it wasn't 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.000 a like in lockdown or my tiktoks didn't blow up 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.360 so much since i'd've lost those accounts because they were 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.120 like very racy, risky TikTok so fair enough, like years 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.599 ago I lost them. So since then it's been like 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.039 Reddit and Instagram and then like still on TikTok, but 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.840 just it's it's always changing the algorithm, so it just 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:34.040 doesn't do as well. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.839 What do you mean by Reddit, Like you have a 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.120 Reddit account. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.040 And then I post, you post in different like groups 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.440 and stuff. I don't know if you guys know much 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.360 about it, but different like forums and different like groups 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.920 for different interests. It might be like big booty ouzsies 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.080 or like just like Brisbane Girls or like just like 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.640 random groups literally for anything, and then you just post 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.080 yourself in there and it just is a forum that people. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.040 Can see and then people like find find you, they 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:57.799 find your. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.640 Like profile, and then they go to your Instagram because 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.960 everything to be pretty much through like Instagram. Like the link. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.560 So, do you have like a Reddit account or do 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:05.960 you just like anonymously post. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.880 I have a Creddit account, so I post. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.560 Everyone knows it's me who's posting into these forums. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.120 Here I am, this is my link. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:14.680 Here I am. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.760 Basically it's a easy style of content to advertise, So 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.120 it's usually now just through mostly through Instagram because I 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.240 feel like as I've gotten a little bit more well known, 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.480 Instagram does take off a lot better. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.160 On the Reddit content. Is that police like TikTok? Like 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.440 is oh no, it's sexual? Okay? 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:36.799 How sexual? 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.760 I like you can do full? You can do like Twitter. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.200 It's like Twitter, which I also have a Twitter. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.200 To advertisers, I heard Twitter was like that, do you 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:45.679 have Twitter? 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:46.039 No? 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:51.240 I don't have Twitter. You've never been on it. There's 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:52.560 some dark spots of Twitter. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:52.920 Is that? 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.039 Oh my god? Like full? Anything you can ever think of? 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.480 My mates mates told me to use it because posted 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.799 on there before any of the other forums. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.080 Just fantasy foot so everything comes back to football. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.360 But like I know, I never got into teet. I 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.040 don't even know I had it once. I didn't even 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:11.760 get how it works. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.880 I would have it if I was an advertising. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:16.440 America. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.680 Yeah, I don't tweet. I just like post my phono 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.720 and go out of don't do like. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.160 I'm not interacting and I'm definitely not like political and 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:29.400 definitely not like exploding to people's tweets political. Yeah, so 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.560 I don't. I don't take part in that. I just like, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:38.160 look at me, don't. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.040 Pretty much. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.560 What does your life look like as a creator? Like, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.360 I don't know a lot about only hands, So excuse 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:47.720 my ignoran. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.080 It's fine. It's a very different type of like lifestyle. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.080 So yeah, I actually started making like day in the 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.520 Lives and I've posted them because consistently on my Instagram 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.640 now because I have realized that most people don't really know. 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.239 Like people think that you wake up, you take a nude, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.080 and you're done, and your life's really easy. And I'm like, 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.160 although there are a lot of benefits, and I'm very 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.000 grateful for this job and I don't doubt that it 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.720 is easier in some aspects then like slaving away in 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.440 a different job. There's so much that goes on behind 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.080 the scenes, So like a lot of it's admin, so 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.960 the advertising, the taking of the content, the scheduling, the 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.240 collaborations you're doing, working with different brands and stuff like 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.000 I'm kind of collaborating with Sexpot. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:25.040 At the moment. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.160 Like posting, like organizing like different things to post, so 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.120 you have to be so on the nose, and then 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.880 you have to come up with different and creative ideas 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.760 because you know, if you're just like everyone else, you're 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.800 not going to get recognized posting every day. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.160 On ten plus platforms. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.360 So I've got Twitter, four Instagram, it's like a TikTok 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.600 everything Reddit, So you're basically just like. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:46.640 On your laptop a lot. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.240 As well as the fact that you have to do 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.559 or you're responding to fans you have to do, or 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.080 your like sexting, live video calls, lives stay like irrelevant, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.240 so every day is a bit different. And then I'm 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.160 also like living my life, got to appointments, trying to 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.760 do opportunities, even like this where it's like you're taking 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.280 a time to go do something that's obviously gonna be 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.120 good for you, but it takes time to do all 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:08.160 this stuff in one chain. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.600 I heard something that like, you can message people creators 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.880 on only fans and people hire like agencies to do that. Yeah, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:16.480 so that's a. 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.920 Big thing in the industry, is that there's agencies that 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.360 take over. I'm I've always been self run. I've never 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.600 been with an agency. They do take a large percentage 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.480 of your profits, usually about fifty percent probably A. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.239 Probably, yeah, like they do. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.800 I don't really know who would be replying, Like, I'm 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.360 sure that they hired people or it's probably AI, like 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:37.600 moving down that line. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.479 But I'm like, the whole point. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.200 Of it is that it's your fans, people that are 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.480 interested in you. People find you really attractive and want 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.559 to talk to you and have that intimate experience with 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:48.920 you because they like you. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.480 They don't want to talk to a robot, and I 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:51.760 don't want them to talk to a robot. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.800 So I'm responding, I'm talking to them, and because it 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.199 is live and it is my personal time, obviously there's 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:00.560 a cost that comes a long with it, and the 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.760 more popular you get kind of the more you can 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.640 kind of like charge and target because your time is 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:07.679 really valuable. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.440 Or on average would you be messaging back? 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.720 Oh, like the dms are always full. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.360 It's just how much time I like every day, like 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.240 even after someone to go to a cafe and smash 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.880 two hours of dms, Like every day you're slaving away. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.760 On the What do they pay for that? Totally? 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.920 OK, it's literally like it's I'm sorry open about money, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.559 but it's so different. So like if you're sexting with them, 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.360 because a lot of people do live sexting sessions, which 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.120 involves you abous have to be home and you have 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.520 to be where you are to be live. But that's 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.480 a lot more because they're stopping you in that time 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.680 and it's not pre made content. They're just purchasing you 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.160 actually like live right there. So that could be three 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:45.160 hundred dollars for. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.640 Like twenty minutes or something. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.439 Or if you want to do a live video call, 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.600 I charge like three hundred dollars for ten minutes of 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.920 a live video call on like Snapchat. But if it's 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.120 just like PPV, which is pay per view because you 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.600 send content locked. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.200 That can range between ten to U This is crazy. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.080 We were talking about this before we came in. We 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.440 had a phone call because we were just saying we 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.119 don't actually know how only Fans works. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.600 And I think this is interesting. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:11.640 We're seen that don't know how it works. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:12.239 Absolutely. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.200 I thought you just sign up and you don't, Like 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.560 I didn't. I heard it like I said about messaging people, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.079 because I heard that, like you get agencies, but I 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:21.240 didn't know it was full on like this. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.600 Yeah, like the DMS away, you will make probably most 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.280 of your money because there's only three or a couple 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.200 of ways you can make money because your subscriptions to 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.120 mine's like nine ninety nine, and then they have their 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.280 rebill on every month, so then they'll get they'll pay 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.280 that every month. And then there's a DMS which is 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:41.240 where you sell your locked content, which is sexting sets, PPVs, videos, solo. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.640 Like sex tapes. I make all different types, so like that's. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.800 Where you sell that locked and then you can do 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.200 like live stuff like you do live shows. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.000 Video you can like kind of take it further. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:50.120 You do. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.800 I do a lot of custom videos which. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.600 Are a lot more expensive, so like between like five 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.120 hundred to one thousand dollars for a custom video, and 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.439 you get some interesting requests, lots of the most wild requests. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.680 Yeah, I would say there's so many different types, but 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.400 a lot to do with like food obviously, a lot 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.200 of like intense ask play, like they wanted to like 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.600 really like get in my wire, but like people want 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.760 you to like feed your belly button spaghetti and like. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.440 We like really like. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.960 Yeah, I had a request of a guy who wanted 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.640 me to like ship in a box and send it 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:28.040 to him. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.560 Do you get like different? And the video of me doing. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:36.760 It literally Australia Post that's what that's right. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.760 Away, I was like, I didn't do it, guys, don't worry. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.240 But I'm like in my head, I was like, so 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.880 you have to express right, So that fleaking through and 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.719 it's a hot day and five days in. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:52.160 The smells everyone else's male arrives and it stinks and 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:53.440 I'm like, guys, I'm so sorry. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.840 So when you so, when you make these videos, does 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.440 the person who's bought it own that video? 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:00.640 Definitely not. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.920 So they actually can't take it off the site. So 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.000 so how do they see it? So it's it's once 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.360 they unlock it, when they pay for it, that it's 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.640 just available that they can see. It's not like blurred 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.240 in their dms, but it stays in the only fans dms. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.280 They can't, like there's no way to download it. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.320 You'd have to screen record it, yeah, or recorder off 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:20.920 a different device, which is illegal. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.120 People still do it because. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.400 I'm still it leaked, but there are takedown services that 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:26.199 I have to take it down. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.280 And also only friends will sue for you out there. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.240 That's so yeah, yeahs that ever happened to you? 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:38.320 Leaked? Yeah? Yeah, yes, oh yes, yeah. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.320 A lot, especially when I was like really viral on 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.800 TikTok all the time. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.280 So yeah, how does thee feel really? 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:45.600 Like? 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:47.800 I think for me, it's really funny. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.319 I have a bit of like a compartmentalize it a bit, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.439 so like on camera, I'm Grace, we's lace. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.080 Off camera, I'm just Gracey and I'm me. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.680 And it's like it's kind of always been fun because 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.199 it lets me separate the two identities and have of 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.240 my own who I really. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.400 Am, and then like the character me. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.800 When the character literally when the character me gets leaked, 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.640 I'm almost like it's not really me, Like it's just 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.640 like an it's an actress, Like they don't know, so 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.600 I don't get I'm like, so you know this like 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.000 really intense part of me, but you actually don't really 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.320 know me, so I don't really care. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.240 Yeah, has anyone ever come up to you and recognized you? 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.040 Yeah, quite a bit, really all the time, just like 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:32.000 creepy guys. It's it's definitely definitely And I'm like, I'm like, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:32.920 which platform do you? 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:35.560 So? 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.040 Yeah, a lot of the time I get asked for 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.840 like photos and stuff, but not like all day every day. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.280 But this definitely is prevalent, especially in Melbourne because Melbourne 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.360 was where I blew up with TikTok, so when I 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.320 had those two do counts as well, Like I would 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.560 go out every day and not be able to like 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.360 I'd be recognized, and I would literally get to the 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.000 point where I wouldn't want to leave because I would 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.760 be like, well, I look shit, so I can't even 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.000 go for a walk Like basically yeah. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:01.920 Well, I mean, if you've made a million in the 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:07.080 first year, lable, I'm not surprised you're getting fu Yeah, 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:07.520 it was. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.160 It was shocking to me. I was like, oh, like 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.920 people are actually what people are talking about as well, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.359 like you can be successful. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.600 And then I do realize later on that I'm like, oh, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.880 not everyone actually is successful, so like yeah, no, Like 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.920 I thought that it was like, oh, like if you're consistent, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.640 you'll just take off, and it's almost like kind of guaranteed. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.200 But I'm like, I know a lot of people that 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.760 they're just they're not successful at it, and it's down 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.040 to like algorithm. Maybe it's oversaturated now probably. I think 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.400 I started a really good time, and also Lockdown went everyone. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:40.960 People weren't s putting their money on it and like 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.640 much outside of the home, So I think it just 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:44.880 really appealed to the right audience. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.800 How many subscribers do you have at the moment. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.760 I think I have like three thousand, but. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.280 It kind of like it's always going up and down, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:54.680 especially something goes off a little bit. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.760 At ten dollars a month, that's three hundred thousand. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.240 For no, that's thirty thousand. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.080 Maybe I shouldn't do the man, it's. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.760 Not the right guys. I love it. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.320 If it was three hundred thousand that I was going to. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:15.560 Say, it's that's thirty thousands just from subs. That's so good. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.840 Yeah, And then there's what you're saying before the extra 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.600 charges chats and stuff. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.600 So I make between like sixty two hundred thousand a month. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.560 Wow, she got four tacks. What do you do with 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.000 the money? Are you investing it? 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.320 I save a lot of it. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:32.040 But I have bought three properties. Three properties, so I 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.320 have three a house and two apartments. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:35.680 So congratulations, thank you. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.600 My last one just settled like a month ago. Really 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:44.560 ones in Brisbane, ones in, ones in like city of Melbourne, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:45.360 ones out a little bit. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.520 This is probably what do you say to like the 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.600 bank actually for the loan. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.440 I've never had any trouble because all you have to 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.440 do is you recognize that you have an A, B 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.840 and ballad for twelve months and you're like you're your 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.840 own business. So I've never any troubles because it's like 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.280 you're showing proof of income. Yeah, you show the income 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.480 coming in, and I don't think the bank sinking where 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:07.280 is it coming from? 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.080 They're just thinking she can pay this loan back? 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.760 So can I ask a personal I mean, I know 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:17.840 this is all very personal, like taxes. How much tax 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.359 did you pay last year? 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:21.920 It's a disgusting amount. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.399 I think I've funded all the schooling and new roads 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.640 around here, guys, but I think four hundred and fifty 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.440 thousand I paid. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.879 Literally like in July and the day I had to 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.919 had to transfer out of my account and I had 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.800 to pay the ATO and I was like, I need 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.119 a stiff drink after this. I was like, that was 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:40.119 it was rough. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.959 If you're paying four hundred and fifty dollars in tax, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:49.880 you are smashing it in life. Congratulations more tax you're paying. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:50.720 I agree. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.439 So I'm trying to work like how to get my 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.719 taxes down at the moment, so looking into like an 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.440 I have an accountant that we're looking in to try 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.399 to do that, because I'm like I can't do that. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.600 I'm like, I get it, but I'm like, I. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.480 Just I think that there's other ways. So I'm looking 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.560 into that currently because it's been like, yeah, my fifth year. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.399 So the first year I paid a hundred. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:16.000 Thousand in tax, eight hundred thousand dollars. So the first 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.840 I think it was the second year, the second year, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.119 the second year I was in it. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:22.959 I remember that was my highest tax bill because that's 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.119 when I was like viral, yeah money. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.880 I was like, ry, oh I did. I had a breakdown. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:38.440 I was like, I really the money. The Government's like. 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:50.000 That's funny thing though, is because they like were recognized 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.080 as a real job. They take our taxes. We pay 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.240 more taxes, and I like pay more in taxes than 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.639 I think the Prime Minister earned. But where like Shane 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.240 looked down and me, you can barelydvertise yourself on social media, 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:02.640 like you'll get banned at the drop of a half. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:03.720 It's just crazy to me. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.000 It's like we're helping the economy, like at least help us, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:08.200 like go off, like. 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.679 It's a value member. Like the tax bill is saying. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.639 Itself, job that is recession proof. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.560 Yeah, it is recession recession proof. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:18.800 Job. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.360 It's always going to be dudes out there that want 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.680 to pay for that sort of. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.680 Well, like sex work has been around the oldest day one, 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.400 and it's like there's it's always going to be popular, 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.679 like whether you're changing up the star, maybe you do 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.840 in personal online Like there's always going to be a 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.359 market because like you said, like there's always a horning 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.080 guy out there that will pay even if he can't 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.760 afford it, he will pay for his last seat. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.040 He watched a pay to watch a video of you 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:56.120 eating spaghetti out of your watch. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.399 I also I'm like, well, I'm not paying for the 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.399 food myself, so you got to send me money for 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:02.800 the food. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:04.240 So then I make them buy the food. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.160 Do you send them the receipts. 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:08.320 I have? 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.320 I have showing like an unboxing I mean like just 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.119 got my food and they're like, I'm like, thank you. 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.600 They love to see it. Wow, So they pay for 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:18.560 your actual food. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:18.880 Yeah. 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.560 Absolutely, it's a work. It's like a bit of working life. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.199 Oh no for the video. Sorry, I thought you were 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:26.440 going to like giving him Like. 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.720 I don't know if you like guys see a lot 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.920 on my socials, but like I do a lot of 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:35.679 findom as well. What's finder financial domination? Which is basically 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:36.639 just taking money for nothing? 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:41.680 You sound like you control You control men's bank accounts, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.920 so you're like, you know, hear the account? 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:46.840 Wait what you have access to their accounts? 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.720 They like they beg you, they give you the passwords, 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.639 and then you dress. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.640 The money over here, you drain their money. 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.040 That's like I tea of hell. That's my idea, Rember, 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:04.880 what's a fetish? 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.000 What is the like? Can you say what's the most 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:08.960 you've been allowed? 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.160 The most I've taken is probably like I don't take 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.880 too much, maybe like five grand Yeah, Like. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.800 I definitely like I don't. I never ever want to 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:20.480 fuck them over. 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.800 Yeah, you're never there to try to like ruin their 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.160 lives or leave them with nothing or they can't even live. 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:26.520 Like, I don't want to do it. So I actually 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.439 sometimes budget with them because I'm like, all right, how 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.240 much do you need for you feel blah blah. 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.879 Right, So then that's left I'm taking up. I'm like, 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.320 I'm a nice I'm a nice dominate you. 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.560 Welcome just a little. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.919 I'm like, now me, It's like you're so nice to 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.040 budget with them, but like you're also taking their money, 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:46.800 so like I don't know which one. 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:48.719 Otherwise then they're like will give it all and then 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.040 they'll freak out. So to keep them like yeah feeling 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.240 like I guess not too freaked out and coming back, 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:56.200 you kind of have to be moderate. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.480 It's like a long time, it's not you, it's someone 0:21:58.480 --> 0:21:59.960 else exact. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.000 They're just going to go to someone else that will 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:03.960 do it and probably not be as nice. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:05.920 Yeah, Like at least I'm being nice. And so that's 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:06.440 how I feel. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.000 That's an industry that like it's wild. Yeah, no idea 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:11.000 like that sort of stuff. 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.480 I didn't either until like a couple of years ago. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:14.679 It was wild. 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:19.159 Have you ever met someone from your Only Fans subscribers 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:20.359 in real life? 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:20.560 Oh? 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.399 Yeah, I actually went to like on the streets and 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:27.040 like on the streets like in real life as well. 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.560 But a lot at Sexpo, which I went to in Sydney, 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:31.679 my very first sex Way. 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.880 Which is just like a big oh they would come 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:34.320 to see. 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.640 Big events where basically it's a lot of creators go 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:39.920 and they kind of buy tickets and come and meet 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:40.760 you in to the meet and greet. 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:41.600 So I did. 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.119 I met Oh, it was three days of ten hours 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:46.560 a day of meeting fans. 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.040 Taking a lot of photos. So that was really cool. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.600 And I was had a lot of women which was 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.800 really cool, Like a lot of women be like I 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:54.360 followed your Instagram for ages like I. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.399 Find you inspiring and then I'm like that means so 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:58.040 much more. 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.639 Yeah, but it's nice to kind of be able to 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:02.520 connect with them, I guess and like put a face 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.640 to it, but I guess you just like I don't 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:05.800 want to think about it too much. 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.720 Has any of your fans ever like asked to pay 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:11.200 you to hook up? 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:12.240 Yes? 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:13.720 And have you no? 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.000 Like every day like on not only on Only Fans 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.800 also on Instagram, like every platform, on TikTok, I think 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.880 like people people ask for that every day. 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:22.400 I've never I will never. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.920 What's the largest price you've been offered for that? 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:26.840 Like one hundred grand? 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.160 I mean, you're paying like eight hundred k in. 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:36.840 Tass like you're like, but I'm also like, I also 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:38.960 I don't trust you, and like, how am I going 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:40.639 to know that I'm going to get that money? If 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.320 I could, like, no, I'm not gonna lie, I might 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.760 be more tempted to be like, all right, well it's 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.400 one night. Yeah maybe, but I'm just I've never been 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:50.639 interested in anything in person. 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.400 I'm actually very picky with who I've sex with. I'm 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:55.880 very like who I've filmed with have always been partners. 0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:57.960 Like There's been a. 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.240 Few like random people, but for the most part, consistently 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.280 it's been partners. And that's kind of just the way 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:04.919 I prefer to do it. Are you in a relationship 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.359 right now? I'm a single Pringle Okay had along for 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:14.359 I was in a two year relationship that ended about 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.200 a year ago that was actually very toxic in the end, 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:20.639 so I left that one, and then I was seeing 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.080 someone seeing someone like casually who I broke up with 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.520 in March. I think, so it's been like, what six months? 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.240 How did you take this line of work? 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:32.920 Well, I when I met him, I was already doing it. 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.159 So he it was just always like this is what 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.600 I do, and you can either dislike it or leave. 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.040 He was very involved, Like we actually ended. 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:40.600 Up working together. 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:44.520 We had a couple's page which was really successful, and 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:45.440 then he. 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:47.560 Locked me out of it and stole all the money 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.960 from it. Are exposing him right now? 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:51.240 Yeah? 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.480 It was. He was so bad. 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:57.400 Yeah, because with only fans, you only allowed two accounts 0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.359 under your own name and the third you can't have 0:24:59.400 --> 0:24:59.760 a third. 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:01.720 I already have too, had like a free in the main. 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.840 The third one had to be made under his name, 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.440 with his bank account details and his ID so on paper. 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.119 By the reason I didn't like say any thing. I 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.440 couldn't like pursue it or like get it back because 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.560 because it looked on paper exactly like it's his account, 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:17.520 and he was saying, it's my account, and I'm like, 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.680 I have no leg to stand on because I set 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:20.040 it up. 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:22.440 But only I know that you should have had a 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:23.720 joint bank account. 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.679 Like, hello, this is like two of us. Well, they 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.320 shut it down because I reported the account. I was 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:32.920 like because he was still selling. 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:36.760 After I couldn't get in, Like I couldn't get in 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.960 and get the money, and he was like still selling it. 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.720 So I was like, Okay, time to take this into 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:42.040 my ND. 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:46.920 So they shout a count down, which was something. 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:52.600 Wow, Okay, let's for a wind back. Because it's very 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:56.160 well documented that you grew up in a religious household. 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.240 Can you kind of describe your childhood to us? 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.360 Yeah, So I had I would say, very different upbringing, 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.240 so very religious. My parents are Christian born, Like, grew 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.080 up kind of as a young kid in Melbourne, but 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:13.159 moved around a lot. I was also homeschooled and I 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.960 lived in Kazakhstan and like Cambodia and Latvia for like 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:17.560 five years. 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:19.440 So I lived basically from. 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:25.360 Fourteen thirteen to eighteen overseas, homeschooling and in a very 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.800 heavily religious family. So it was very Now I look 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:31.760 back at it and I'm literally in therapy for it. 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:36.119 But it's like a lot very like traumatic religious experience, 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:39.159 so a lot heavy on the shame, heavy on not 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.679 really being able to express yourself, not being able to 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.320 like I couldn't even like wear what I wanted, couldn't 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:48.320 watch certain things, like it was just a very monitored experience. 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.239 And not that it was all bad obviously, Like I 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.879 loved my parents and love my family, and they did 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.520 their best but for what they thought was right. But 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.639 just when you reflect on it as an adult, you 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.600 can see how much like really did affect you, and 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.240 how much of it I don't think should be normal, 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.199 like just shamed for even like wanting to explore and 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.879 like have sex at like seventeen years old, like just 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.280 or like wanting to like maybe maybe think that you're 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.600 by and like that just wouldn't be allowed, like I 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.400 would have been probably just a family. 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:20.080 I find it now then. 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:26.600 Yeah, so a good question into question I at the start, 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.639 they like they still don't love it because they're still religious, 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.080 but they love that I'm really smart with my money. 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:35.720 And then I've invested it and like my dad lives 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:36.479 in one of my houses. 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:38.240 It's like how much can you complain about? 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:38.480 Really? 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.640 Yeah, I help, like I help them out a lot. 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:42.560 I help help my family out financially quite a bit. 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.240 So I think I feel lucky that I get to 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:46.880 be able to do that and be in the position 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.240 where I can help other people because I really want to, 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.560 and especially my family. 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.160 So they have come to terms with it. 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.080 By the start, they were very much like, no one's 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.320 gonna love you, no one's gonna want to be with you, 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:02.280 like discuss seeing like you're disgusting. So at the start 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:03.480 it was from your parents. 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:04.239 No, it was. 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.520 It was horrible, but like I just knew it was 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.240 the right thing for me. I was and when I've 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.240 decided that, there's just nothing that changes my mind. 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:12.480 Yeah, I don't give a fuck. 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.639 You have two sisters that right, Yes, I'm the middle 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:17.760 and you're the middle child. 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:19.440 Do they do only her? 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:23.639 So we actually all double in like sex work so different, 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:25.600 so that I think we all have an only offense account. 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.320 I think I'm the most like active and like recognized 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.480 from it. A younger sister, she's getting more into it, 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:33.840 but she was doing a lot of like tops, waitressing 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:35.320 and stuff like that. 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.600 And then my older sister was an escort. I don't 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:39.320 know if she still is now. 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.240 We're actually not in like communication anymore. But yeah, so 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.640 we all kind of have doubled in that line of work, which. 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.560 Is kind of funny. I think three sisitors, Like would. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.160 You say because your parents were so strict and so 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.600 like shameful about that sort of stuff that it almost 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.560 pushed you all the war. It's doing that. 0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:01.640 I fully, I don't think it's the only reason I'm 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.120 not like here being like I was a damage shamed kid, 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.040 so this is my rebellion. But I think that it 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.480 plays a role in it. But I was really hesitant 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.560 to go into sex work. It wasn't like I was 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.000 conscious of being like fuck you guys, like I'm my. 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:14.760 Body, I can do what I want. Like that kind 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.640 of happened later, but at the start it was just 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:18.560 because I was broke, and then I was like, oh, 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.880 this is actually quite like fulfilling and I actually really 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.760 enjoy this. So at the start it wasn't like that. 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:25.240 But I definitely think it plays a role. 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.880 I think that we've been influenced because we were not 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.360 allowed to like show any of our legs. 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.479 Or like just yeah, I think it does. 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.160 It's crazy to go like, if you've come from an 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:39.920 extremely strict Catholic upbringing where you're like not allowed to 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:43.480 show skin to then all three of your sisters, Yeah, 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:49.320 being in the sex industry, that's like hard pretty brain around. 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:51.720 I always say my poor dad, I was just having 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:53.760 like my poor father. I'm like, I love him and 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.440 he loves us, But I'm like, I don't doubt that's 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:57.240 probably difficult. 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:03.600 They still as heavily religious. 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.640 Yes, I would say. I'd say, though, like they've probably. 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.400 Gotten a bit mellowed out as the years have gone by, 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.080 but they're definitely still like, go to church and pray. 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:12.520 Are you religious? 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.360 I'm very spiritual now and I'm really aligned with that, 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:18.560 but absolutely I don't really. 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.720 This might like causest, but like I don't really like religion. 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.760 I love faith like I love having a faith in 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.800 a higher power, and like, if that's God for you, 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.360 if that's source, if that's like whatever you want it 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.200 to be, but I don't really If you believe in 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.360 that and that makes you feel right about yourself, but 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.960 like I don't. It's not for me man made religion 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.600 with like rules, I just I don't really identify with it. 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:44.960 Who was the first out of your sisters to kind 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:46.720 of start the trend? 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.080 My oldest sister actually, she started escorting I think when 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:50.840 she was like eighteen. 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.560 And did your parents immediately find out about how? 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.520 I actually only found out kind of recently, she like 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:57.680 really kept it deal. 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.840 What was the first, like, what was the first, like 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.440 out of all of the all three of you, that 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:04.440 your parents found. 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:10.920 Out about my younger sister. So she started stripping at eighteen, 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.160 and while she still lived at home and we all 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:19.240 lived like at home together, and she lied like I'm 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.160 outing her right now, but like. 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.160 A few months and just said that she was working 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.400 at like a bar because obviously she was working at night, 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:27.480 so she was doing like night shifts at a bar, 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.560 and like they would always be like, oh, we'll come 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:30.320 visit you. 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:32.840 And she was like, no, it's just a very young 0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:37.400 crowd made up this bar name doesn't exist. 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.520 And so they found out, and yeah, like they kicked 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.320 her out. So she they said you have to stop 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.840 or you have to get out. So she was like, well. 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.000 I want to keep going. So she got kicked out obviously. 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.000 Then I find it funnycause I'm like, but you kicked 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:55.480 her out, so now she kind of has to do 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.440 it because she's got no money, so it's like you've 0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.120 kind of just pushed her into it of a corner now. 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:01.840 But yeah, they found out, and I remember the day 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:03.560 and it was highly traumatic. 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:07.040 It would be older escorting. Then what did she say 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:08.240 that she was doing? 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:08.960 Well? 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.959 She at that point lived out of home, so she 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.280 was eighteen. Oh so me and my young sister and 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:13.640 my parents. 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.240 My older sister moved back to Australia before we came 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:18.160 back when I was eighteen. 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:19.120 She was already. 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.880 Established like two years before we came by herself. So 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.480 she kind of just lied to them. Yeah, just lied, 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:31.280 just like I did for a few months. You can't 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:34.000 handle the truth, honestly, So. 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.640 That's a hard one to handle as well. Yeah, parents, Yeah, absolutely, 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:40.920 were you nervous when they found out? 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:41.880 Like what was that? 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:42.040 Like? 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.720 Yeah? So I they found out not the best way. 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.959 My mom found my link through my Instagram And at 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.040 the time, when you like have the link on the fans, 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:52.640 when you open it up, you can either have it 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:56.120 locked so you can't see any like blurred anything that 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.360 you can't see any captions, or you can have the 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.520 option there you can't see the content, you can kind 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.720 of see the captions to the photos. I had it 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.760 that version, so she opened it up and read all 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:07.560 these captions. 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.600 She's like, what the hell is what is going? And 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:13.560 I couldn't even like be like no, it's a gym 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.840 only fans about like because I'm like, well, she. 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.440 Can see i'd be pretty confronting for your mum. She 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.440 was so like, you know what I mean. 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.120 Yeah, very yeah, And like I definitely feel bad at 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.360 times at the start because I was like, it would 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.360 be hard and I can't imagine, especially when it goes 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.960 against your belief system. But at the end of the day, 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.719 like my belief is just don't have kids if you 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.400 can't handle them not being like an exact replica of 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.720 you and having different beliefs literally because. 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.240 They're going to go off on their own and they 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:44.920 need to do that. 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:48.400 I need to feel released, otherwise they won't want to 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:50.200 be around you and you're so strict. 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:50.960 Going to reel. 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.640 Yeah, I believe that. 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.520 I definitely think that, like you can push your kids 0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:58.320 too far to. 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.720 Like, you know, I think absolutely my mum and dad 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:02.520 did it pretty well. 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:06.080 I never felt the urge to rebel that was raised 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:06.840 religious adult. 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:08.520 I went to a Catholic school. 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:15.799 I used to get to church community. Yeah, I was. 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.520 I mean my nana was extremely religious, Like we would 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.600 go to church and she would like pound it hard, 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.640 like when they were I don't know, yeah, yeah, like 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:26.759 but I was just like, what are you doing? 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:28.120 Did you ever get into it? 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.480 My parents like aren't really my dad's not religious, and 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.040 then my mum would like go because of my nana. 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.200 And then we moved to Australia, so oh wait where 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.120 were you? I was born in the UK. Yeah, so 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:44.400 I can relate a lot to you moving around and yeah, 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:45.120 yeah different. 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:48.160 I wouldn't. Yeah, I won't get into like religion on 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:52.840 this podcast my beliefs, but I like to think, like 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:54.080 you said, there's something out there. 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:54.799 Yeah. 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.239 I feel like it makes you feel better when you 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.759 think that there's some high power totally kind of like 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:02.040 and like fate and like I don't know. 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.000 And in a day even if there isn't, if it. 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.680 Makes you feel better and you feel happier, it makes 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.640 you feel like more aligned and positive. 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:14.799 Yeah, into your life and other people's life. Do what 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.120 you want. But when it gets like toxic and you're like, 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.240 you know, not doing it for the good, then maybe 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:21.960 let it go. 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.120 Do you ever have to deal with obviously a lot 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.239 of people are extremely judging, especially on social media. How 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:32.239 do you deal with that? 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:37.839 Yeah, that's a good question. I learned quickly to block 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.360 it out. I think when I had my tikto accounts, 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.400 they would generate so much. 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:44.080 Hate, like I would get cool. 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.879 Yeah, and they and like TikTok is notorious for being 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:48.920 quite mean. I think especiould you end up on the 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.280 wrong side of it and you're like wait, wait, wait, 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.279 like I swear I wasn't on this side yesterday. I 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:57.120 come back, I was cooled everything under the sun you 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.240 could ever think of. And I think it just eventually 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:01.960 rolls off you like water. You're just like like one 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.960 you don't know me, and if you met me, probably 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:05.359 like me, because I think I'm quite like. 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:06.520 You are very like. 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:08.840 That's probably one of the best ways to put it. 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.000 You see all these hate comments like you don't know 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:11.719 you listen. 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.440 I'm sure you guys understand. 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:14.640 You are a couple of tiktoks and a couple of 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.640 stories into a like you don't like, you don't know 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.000 me as like a person. If you actually sat down 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:20.239 with it. 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.239 You probably And then I feel like people who listen 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:24.200 to this podcast pretty much name they do. 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.560 Yeah, that's that's a fair point. But like some of 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.360 these people like will take little snippets of like something 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.799 you've said in a podcast and they like it and 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:33.919 twist it into something and you're like, get a life. 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.480 Literally, that's why I think as well, it's like, oh, 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.800 like you're just sitting there, no time to do anything 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:39.279 and not grow. 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.279 Like at that time, I actually think, I'm like I 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:42.960 always say this thing. I'm like, I'm sending your love 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.560 and light because you need it more than I do. 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.399 In this moment, imagine like someone it's like people who 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:53.520 like no one who is successful that I know sends 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.920 hate commings. No, if you're sending hate comments, you're literally 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.600 holding up a pluque saying I'm doing nothing. 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.600 I'm jealous, You're you're better than me. I'm trying to 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:04.880 bring you back down to my level. 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.680 You're literally outing yourself for doing nothing. 0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:17.399 And they do it off fake accounts as well off 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:18.839 your real account, Like. 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.719 There is make like ten different accounts. Do you think 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.520 it has the psychological effect on you? 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.200 Because obviously hates one thing, but when it's kind of 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:30.040 like you're getting hate and it's to do with sex work, 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:34.040 does that have a psychological like deep effect question. 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.160 I think it probably does. 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.560 I don't really think too deeply into it, and I've 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.239 actually I've been asked us before, and I've actually been 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.600 aswered by my therapist and I was like, does it 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.400 like does it effect But maybe I'm not aware of it, 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.799 but I think it does a little bit. But I 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.080 don't actually think I get that bothered by things. Maybe 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.720 it's just my personality trait. Maybe some someone else would, 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.799 but I just feel like it gets to a point. 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.239 I'm sure you guys know where you just have to 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.279 decide that not going to be bothered by it. And 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.560 it's kind of like for me, it's an everyday decision. 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.080 I'm just like, I don't really care because at the 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.480 end of the day, I love my life. I like 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.480 who I am. That's really all that matters to me. 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.400 And I have friends and family that also like me, 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.040 and that's the end of the day what matters. And 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:15.839 if it really affects me that much, then I'll just 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.480 delet you or I won't look at it or but 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.799 I'm sure it does, and especially when I get like 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.080 leaked videos back in the day, especially like sex tapes 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.840 got leaked and that was really kind of confronting and 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.200 hard to deal with it at that time, but it 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.560 would be I don't know, I just I get really 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.120 maybe I'm just really used to it. It doesn't really 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:36.200 affase me anymore. 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.560 Plus you're like, which house will I go to today? 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.080 I'm like, I just love earning money, this is great. 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.080 I'm like, actually, the hate drives my career. So like 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:45.080 you keep on hate. 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:49.640 The comments engaged exactly, and sometimes we'll set up things. 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:51.239 I'll set up things to be like I know that 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:52.600 people are gonna want to call that out. 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:54.120 Does it gets more engagement? 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:55.200 They don't get it there? 0:38:55.320 --> 0:39:01.440 No, they like you did the wrong way. And I'm like, does. 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.480 This career have a time limit? Does it have an 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:05.239 expiry day? 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:06.239 I think so. 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:08.239 I would definitely think so. So I'm twenty seven. I saw 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.319 when I was twenty two. I want to be done 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.400 with it. Probably by thirty, I would say in my opinion. 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.480 And again I can't speak for everyone, and everyone starts 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.600 at different ages and different times. Some people maybe want 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.080 to do this rest of life, but for me, it 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.960 probably is like a ten year window of like smashing 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.640 it out. And that's why I work so hard, Like 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.640 every day it's just the grind because I know it's 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:29.960 a limited time and I want to. 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.080 Make the most while I'm relevant. The hottest. 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:33.960 I'll probably ever be like you know, in your twenties, 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:35.920 to make the most of it, and then I'll be 0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:37.400 done and kind of just go live off in one 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.240 of my houses and drug ortion. 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:41.879 Lives a life. That's the plan. The plan. 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:44.799 Like I'm a workaholic, so I never like my goal 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:46.800 is never to be like, oh finally I can still working. 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:48.960 It's just like relaxs, Like I don't really want to 0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:49.400 just do that. 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.200 I'll always be business minded, and I whether I start 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:53.400 my own business. 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.080 Or an agency for I've been thinking of starting like 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:57.280 a mentoring agency. 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.120 I'm actually mentoring someone right now for only fans, So 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:02.320 I really want to help women. 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:03.319 That's like I. 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.560 Don't know what, like capacity, whether it's health and fitness, 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.399 which is like a huge passion of mine, or like 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.400 even just earning money and like being able to be 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:11.360 successful only fans. 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.360 I really really want to help people. 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:15.279 So that's kind of where I'm trying to gear my 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:16.799 socials up to be a little bit more like that 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.520 as well, and just less about me, because it's all 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.920 well and fun to just make money, but like without 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.880 it's not very rewarding. I find when you aren't really 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.279 contributing or helping anyone, and I just really like, I 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:28.760 always want to just give back to people. 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.120 That's my end gold. We like to have some kind 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.960 of business where I'm helping people, but I'm also like 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.319 working off my own schedule, can relax and travel really 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:41.280 where I want with a cool man. 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.959 I mean, I feel like, you know, the only thing 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.399 that I would question is and I think I'm only 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.399 saying this because I have this problem, is like it's 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.320 never enough. Like for me, when I started my business, 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:56.920 I was like, Okay, when I start my business, I'm 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:58.600 going to be so happy. And then you get and 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:00.319 I'm like, hey, when I make this much, I'm gonna 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:02.439 be really happy. Then you get there, and then it's 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.200 like it's like I feel like we all kind of 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.120 chase the happiness. 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.080 We always chase the goal post. 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.480 Like I think a lot of people the fact that 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.440 you have three houses is insane. 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.600 Yeah, but it's amazing because I'm like, oh, yeah, like 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:19.359 I forgot but I want another one. 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:19.640 Yeah. 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:20.600 I definitely get what you mean. 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:23.359 And I think that, like with only fans, especially when 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.200 you're earning high income, any dip can feel a little 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.359 bit scary, but also like you're just kind of like, well, 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:29.239 how much more can I do? 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.040 And if I do this opportunity, like, how much more 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:31.520 can I earn? 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:33.080 And I kind of and I've talked to my friends 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:36.200 about this and it's almost like it's never enough. It's 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.720 never and you have to learn to be satisfied and grateful. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.560 That's why I practice gratitue every day because you really 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.920 have to embody gratitude or you can't get carried away 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:46.879 and just be like, oh but I am a little 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:48.480 bit more last month, and it's like yeah, but like, 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:50.560 look at how much you're earning, especially compared to like 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.960 someone else, Like look at that and being so greedy. Yeah, 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.439 and just be happy. That's why I have to drill 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:57.319 into myself. 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.200 And yeah, it's it's a crazy cycle. 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.000 And I've heard so many people, espectually people who earn 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.239 a lot of money talk about it it's never enough. 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:04.920 Yeah, I want more. 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.759 Yeah, And it's an addiction, I think, And success is 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:09.839 an addiction I think because I think if you start 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:11.960 to feel like you're dropping away, you're not as relevant, 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:13.560 or like your views going down, it can feel a 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.319 little bit scary, especially when you make your money from 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:19.000 the Internet off of things being relevant and viral, so 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:20.680 it can be an addiction that you kind of like 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:21.400 always tasting. 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.200 And for me, I'm always trying to. 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:25.200 Look at what's doing well and always on social media 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:26.439 and be like what can I post next? 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.400 And what's relevant and what can I keep pushing? 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:32.440 So exhausting, it's exhausting, Like even a holiday I go on, 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:34.600 it's never really a holiday because that's prime time to 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:39.160 protect content because beautiful places. I understand that I won't 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.120 probably rest in terms of like holiday wise until I'm 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.160 finished with on the sands and that's okay, Like I'm 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.560 okay with that. Like I try to like take my 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.200 time when I can, but I'm known to be quite 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:49.920 a workaholic. 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.000 And my friends always telling me because I'm like they're 0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:53.560 eleven PM, be like, I just got to get back 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:53.799 to this. 0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.120 Do you think obviously you get a lot of validation online. 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.640 What type of effect do you think that plays on 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.800 your self esteem? Having all this external validation. 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.520 I think that I am used to it, and I 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:13.640 think it's lovely and I definitely know it makes me 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.080 feel good. I also recognize that I think when it stops, 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.480 it will affect me, even just subconsciously. 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:20.440 I think I will. 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:22.680 I don't want to say I look for it or 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.440 like crave it, but it's so normal to me to 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.160 almost be like a little bit worshiped on my platform 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.520 that I think it is going to be an adjustment, 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:32.520 and that's like something I'm having to be aware of 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.759 that it's not happening right now, but it probably will 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.480 in the future. So I think just being able to 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.640 handle that. I have always struggled with really bad body 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:44.440 of somorphia. Like I have really had self esteem issues 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:46.120 my whole entire life, and I. 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.880 Feel like a lot of women do, especially when you're in. 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.000 The spotlight and you're like always critiquing how you look, 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.280 and you're like videoing yourself from all different angles. 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:56.160 And you're like, oh, like I like that angle, but 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.640 you have to raise it. You get really hypercritical. 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.560 So I think just absolutely trying to work through and 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:05.200 like really like logic through that to make sure you're 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:06.880 not going to get too affected, because. 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.319 I like we all do. We get affected the way 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:10.160 we look and feel. 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:15.239 Being self aware is the first step. Quite good to 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:15.920 be self aware. 0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:22.280 So obviously you're single, currently, how do you navigate dating? 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:23.560 Are you dating? 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.680 So I would say it can be a little bit 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:30.120 more difficult as a sex worker. I am obviously on 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.719 dating apps because I'm like everyone, I want to get 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:32.960 out there. 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:33.719 I want to see what's going on. 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.680 I'm not looking to actually date right now, No, you 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:41.600 cannot before. I got my hingeback kind of recently, and 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.720 I'm like really protective over right now. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.600 So I don't even put Instagram on there anymore. 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.360 But when guys like I give them my backup account 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.200 because I don't want them on my main account. But 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.799 I find the conversation very interesting because it always comes 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:55.920 to what do you do? So I kind of try 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.080 to downplay it a little bit. I'm like, I'm like 0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:00.239 content creation and like. 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.920 Modeling, yeah, and like a little bit of ara, and 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.359 they're like, what's your main source of income? 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:10.520 I'm like, oh, So it's an awkward conversation sometimes, but 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.000 I don't want to be around someone who can't handle 0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:15.359 that off the bat, so you should try to get 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:16.360 it out of the way. 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.480 But I'm not looking to date right now. 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.960 I'm really focused on myself and for that, I have 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:23.400 pretty much been in relationship since I was nineteen, so 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:25.440 I really want to take like a year just like 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:27.880 focus on myself. I'm like, that's when they say you 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.640 will find someone apparently anyway you're not looking so but 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.360 it is hard and like guys, I also one of 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.640 my biggest things is I won't be with someone who 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.800 won't film with me. So that's like I guess a 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:41.680 nick if I can't have if they won't film or 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:43.319 a they canter just in filming or being a part. 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:45.120 They don't have to be on my page. 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.560 Like with your face, I keep it anonymous, but you 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:49.600 have to be willing to take part in a video 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:50.880 otherwise I don't see. 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:52.480 A future with you without their fact like. 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:55.840 Just always anonymous. It's always been anonymous because I want to. 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:56.920 I want to protect you. 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.640 I want to protect your identity and your reputation. Mine's 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.120 already I can protect you. We don't have to have 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:03.640 your face in it, which is like we can work 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:04.040 around it. 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.000 Except for the partner that took account. 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:08.640 Yeah, I had his face out there, and I'm like 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:09.040 thank god. 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:15.080 Wow. 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:18.200 So that's interesting. So is that a deal breaker for 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:18.760 some people? 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.040 Like has that been like a bit of amount. 0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:21.760 Of deal broker? 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:25.120 I have actually never had it progress at the point 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.120 of like we're about to date, and that became the 0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.400 deal breaker that ended it. But it's definitely been like 0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.160 things in like situations where I say that and then 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.040 they're like, oh, well, I'm probably not keen to do that, 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.880 or they get like they say they're keen and then 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:40.080 they get really shy and they're like they talk the talk. 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:41.520 But then you're like, all right, so here's the camera. 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.480 The triple's over there, so I want this, this, and this. 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:45.880 I'm very bossy when i'm filming. I want this, I 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:46.960 want this, and I want three. 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.120 Minutes here, and I want you to do that and 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.120 then like flip me over and put it on the 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:51.040 trouble You're good. 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.319 And they're like, they're like. 0:46:54.320 --> 0:47:00.600 When did I say I want to actually vice? 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:02.080 Someone has walked out for that. 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.839 Yes, really they are good rights, right. 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.239 I pay them usually between five hundred two thousand for 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:14.319 a tape it. Yeah, yeah, so I always want to 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:16.600 give back to them because I'm like, I get it. 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.000 It's it's not the same as normal sex. It's not 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.239 as like in the moment and you're setting things up 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:22.840 a little bit. Sometimes it can be if you're just 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.000 setting up a tripod, but I want you to like 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:26.880 film it. Point of view and you have to like 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:29.440 think about it and concentrate and so yeah. 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:32.319 Well what's the incentive other than just having sex with me? 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:32.759 Yeah? 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:33.880 The money? 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:34.560 Yeah? 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.319 Do you want to eventually settle down, Like do you 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.440 picture like the marriage and the kids or yeah. 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:42.040 I definitely do. 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.920 I think like I definitely think I want kids, probably 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:46.480 more in my like mid thirties. 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:46.920 Yeah. 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:51.359 So I'm really just about myself right now. Selfish, Are 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.640 you worried about your kids like in the future seeing 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:56.320 this sort of stuff and find. 0:47:56.120 --> 0:48:00.600 Again like, yeah, I yeah, I am not worried about 0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:02.120 it because I think at that point, I think the 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.239 world the world's moving is that we are getting more 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.200 and more open, and like, if I want to raise 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:09.440 my kids not religious, it'll just be an open conversation 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.480 and it would just be like, you know, your mom 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:13.319 did some adult things and you. 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.399 Wouldn't be in such a nice school now, Timmy if 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:20.600 you if she didn't do it, So thanks for ten years. 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:22.120 But it'll just be an open conversation. 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.680 And obviously you can't control everything, and there's always going 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:26.800 to be possible. 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.160 Consequences to your actions. But I'm just doing the best 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.719 I can for what I like given and what I 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:33.680 want to do, so I guess I'll just cross that bridge. 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:37.319 Another hypothetical question, these probably aren't the funnest we to have, 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:40.320 But how would you feel if you had a daughter 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.840 who decided to kind of follow in the same path 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:43.960 I would. 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:49.280 I would definitely be supportive. I would not be pushing. 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.440 Three videos. 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:54.959 That's actually I actually think. 0:48:54.880 --> 0:49:00.839 That amazing thing. Sweetie. 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:05.839 Yeah, that's so. 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:09.520 I would definitely not be pushing her down that line, 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:10.480 and I would. 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:13.720 Just choking. 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:18.640 I would be trying to get her to do maybe 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:22.080 more like if it's still around influencing, say, because I 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:23.560 think there's a money in that as well. 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:26.239 Yeah, if she the heart was set on it, because 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:28.040 obviously if you're like, well, we've got the money you 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.640 don't need exactly because I grew up so broke, that's 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.040 what I feel like, really like if I wasn't as broke, 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.759 I don't think we were so broke growing up? 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:40.400 So how broke? Like like sometimes like we like how 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:44.400 much did you that? I think that like sometimes we 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.880 could barely eat, like we eat like white rice, Like 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.879 see that must have a psychological effect, because it definitely has, 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:53.120 which my therapist talks about. 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:54.920 She's like, so you just like hold onto money and 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.799 that's why you like have trouble spending it. 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.160 I'm like, well, at least I don't blow it all. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.839 It's not like the worst like trauma response to having 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.880 no money. I bought it and I'm like, I'm not 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:06.799 spending it because I'm like it makes me. 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.440 Feel like that's yeah, that's obviously I feel like that 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.759 could be potentially part of the reason as well. I 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:22.480 think so, yeah, and now you're like, as. 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.560 Any guy that you've dated felt demasculated that you're making 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:26.279 more money than. 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:30.799 Them, yes, I would say, but it's probably more. 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:32.960 Like all right. 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.799 With my ex of like the two years I he 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.640 got really resentful in the end, even though I tried 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.120 to be really fair with it, like this is my business, 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.000 like I'm not like just handing it over to you. 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:44.919 I think he got really resentful that I. 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:46.919 Was earning a lot more than him, and he got 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.320 like nitpicky with things and he got that's kind of 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:51.200 like the downfall of our relationship. 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:52.200 Was like his can't handle it. 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.279 And I think that he also like freaked out with 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.719 if anything got leaked and because obviously he's in it too, 0:50:57.960 --> 0:50:59.440 and his face was in it. Towards the end, so 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:01.759 then I felt about it was kind of like, I 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:03.320 think you both have to be really. 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:03.839 On board with it. 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.239 I would never want to date a creator, like I 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.279 would never want to date myself that guy, because there's 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.520 not that many guy creators in the industry and the 0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.239 ones that are like, they'll film with everyone, So for me. 0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.640 I kind of want to date nobody and. 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:20.400 Then like have it like it's like yeah, exactly for 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:24.040 the future. Grace, thank you so much for coming past. 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:27.520 This has been so insightful. Thank you for being so open. 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.080 It's just been like I feel like I've learned. 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:36.000 A lot about only I've never been to tell us 0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:36.640 if it was good. 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:42.600 There's a lot, there's a lot that's going on. Thank 0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.839 you so much, guys. Until next time,