Speaker 1: I do a lot of costume videos, which are a
Speaker 1: lot more expensive, so like between like five hundred to
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars for a custom video, and you get
Speaker 1: some interesting requests.
Speaker 2: Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all
Speaker 2: things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 3: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 3: intimate details, advice, and much more.
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, we have a very special guest. We have
Speaker 2: Gracie in the studio and we are going to talk
Speaker 2: all things only fans. We're going to talk about growing
Speaker 2: up in a super religious family and much more. So.
Speaker 2: Let's introduce Gracie to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Hi, welcome having me, Welcome, Thank you for coming in.
Speaker 3: First question is where's your head at?
Speaker 1: My head is I'm in a good I'm in a
Speaker 1: good headspace. I've had a really good morning, so my
Speaker 1: head is good and happy.
Speaker 4: Love that we're so happy you're here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you have a turn on and for
Speaker 3: the week?
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's just that's the top of my head.
Speaker 1: I would say a really good a cide ball which
Speaker 1: I had this morning, Like it was just just a
Speaker 1: granola ratio.
Speaker 4: The fruit was amazing. I got it from green Cup.
Speaker 4: Oh I love because I yeah, yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 4: especially the gold Coast is better. But Melbourne we may do,
Speaker 4: and it would be I'd never been really sick recently,
Speaker 4: so that would be a bit of a nick. You're
Speaker 4: in BALI recently. Yes, that was amazing.
Speaker 2: I got sick, okay, belly by belly.
Speaker 3: I got bally belly pretty bad. And I was here
Speaker 3: last time. It was a colt E cola.
Speaker 4: How did you find that out?
Speaker 3: I got tested? Oh my god, so yeah, I have
Speaker 3: to do a stool sample and all that. I was bad.
Speaker 4: Like how many days were.
Speaker 3: It was like, well, definitely, like a couple like three three,
Speaker 3: just like no good. We recorded episodes in like two
Speaker 3: of those and that was.
Speaker 4: Like running to the toilet. It was so bad. We
Speaker 4: did mid sentence and he was just like.
Speaker 1: Because when you gotta go, you gotta go now.
Speaker 3: And then I went back up to the Goldie and
Speaker 3: I had like an event and I was sitting there
Speaker 3: like a gala and I was just like and then yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I left the Greece a couple of days later.
Speaker 2: The thing Bally is, it's so good, but the risk
Speaker 2: of getting bali belly is sometimes sometimes not worth it.
Speaker 1: Well, I did take like these charcoal tablets and these
Speaker 1: I think it's called like traveling or something, but anyway,
Speaker 1: I got lazy with it. And that's when the ballei
Speaker 1: belly hit. So I was I was all good for
Speaker 1: a couple of days. Yeah, she just got past my birthday,
Speaker 1: like I think it was the next day. And then
Speaker 1: it hit me and I was like, well, I just
Speaker 1: want to die.
Speaker 4: So oh you poor thing, Happy birthday? Thank you? How
Speaker 4: old were you? Turning seven?
Speaker 2: Twenty seven?
Speaker 4: Love it old?
Speaker 3: No, we say all the time on the podcast, how
Speaker 3: old we've got.
Speaker 2: We don't say that anymore.
Speaker 3: We don't say it anymore.
Speaker 4: I know how old you guys are.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two, you look thirty five?
Speaker 4: You like?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, feel I think I'll age like Patrick Dempsey.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mick dreaming, I think age. Yeah, I think that we'll.
Speaker 4: See Yeah, we'll see in another time. Ye years, my
Speaker 4: gray hairs, that's coming through.
Speaker 2: You're married now, right, and congratulation and I love the
Speaker 2: rock thank you.
Speaker 4: I know he did very well.
Speaker 2: Crazy you are a very well known only fans creator.
Speaker 2: So we want to talk a lot about your religious upbringing,
Speaker 2: but we want to start a little bit kind of
Speaker 2: understanding how you got into only fans.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, So I started five years ago pretty much when
Speaker 1: Lockdown hit Melbourne. Yeah, I think that I was working
Speaker 1: as a receptionist at a hotel.
Speaker 4: Hated it.
Speaker 1: It was working like long shifts. Literally just didn't see
Speaker 1: a way out. And I was like, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what I want to study. I don't want to
Speaker 1: do anything.
Speaker 4: My actual guy best friend put me onto it. He's
Speaker 4: I think you'd be really good at this. And I
Speaker 4: took me a full.
Speaker 1: Year of having the account for I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll actually launch it because I was.
Speaker 4: Like nobody wants to say this.
Speaker 1: I'm not like well known on Instagram, like I had
Speaker 1: like four thousand followers. But I launched it straight at
Speaker 1: the bart it was like really successful, Like I was shocked.
Speaker 1: And then within like the first.
Speaker 4: Year it made over like a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Obviously I quit my job as a receptionist.
Speaker 3: And so how do you get like so like you
Speaker 3: weren't you said you weren't known on Instagram? Then how
Speaker 3: do people come to your account? How they find out?
Speaker 4: Like advertising?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the time, I became really well known
Speaker 1: on TikTok, so I think I had over a million
Speaker 1: followers on different accounts. They were doing, they were raking
Speaker 1: it in like I think, yeah, they were insane for growth,
Speaker 1: so they took me. They like they went over to
Speaker 1: my Instagram from there where the link was because you
Speaker 1: can't put on TikTok and that just basically blew it
Speaker 1: up that way. So I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: have had the same level of success if it wasn't
Speaker 1: a like in lockdown or my tiktoks didn't blow up
Speaker 1: so much since i'd've lost those accounts because they were
Speaker 1: like very racy, risky TikTok so fair enough, like years
Speaker 1: ago I lost them. So since then it's been like
Speaker 1: Reddit and Instagram and then like still on TikTok, but
Speaker 1: just it's it's always changing the algorithm, so it just
Speaker 1: doesn't do as well.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by Reddit, Like you have a
Speaker 2: Reddit account.
Speaker 1: And then I post, you post in different like groups
Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't know if you guys know much
Speaker 1: about it, but different like forums and different like groups
Speaker 1: for different interests. It might be like big booty ouzsies
Speaker 1: or like just like Brisbane Girls or like just like
Speaker 1: random groups literally for anything, and then you just post
Speaker 1: yourself in there and it just is a forum that people.
Speaker 2: Can see and then people like find find you, they
Speaker 2: find your.
Speaker 1: Like profile, and then they go to your Instagram because
Speaker 1: everything to be pretty much through like Instagram. Like the link.
Speaker 2: So, do you have like a Reddit account or do
Speaker 2: you just like anonymously post.
Speaker 4: I have a Creddit account, so I post.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows it's me who's posting into these forums.
Speaker 3: Here I am, this is my link.
Speaker 4: Here I am.
Speaker 1: Basically it's a easy style of content to advertise, So
Speaker 1: it's usually now just through mostly through Instagram because I
Speaker 1: feel like as I've gotten a little bit more well known,
Speaker 1: Instagram does take off a lot better.
Speaker 3: On the Reddit content. Is that police like TikTok? Like
Speaker 3: is oh no, it's sexual? Okay?
Speaker 4: How sexual?
Speaker 1: I like you can do full? You can do like Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's like Twitter, which I also have a Twitter.
Speaker 4: To advertisers, I heard Twitter was like that, do you
Speaker 4: have Twitter?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I don't have Twitter. You've never been on it. There's
Speaker 4: some dark spots of Twitter.
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 4: Oh my god? Like full? Anything you can ever think of?
Speaker 3: My mates mates told me to use it because posted
Speaker 3: on there before any of the other forums.
Speaker 2: Just fantasy foot so everything comes back to football.
Speaker 3: But like I know, I never got into teet. I
Speaker 3: don't even know I had it once. I didn't even
Speaker 3: get how it works.
Speaker 4: I would have it if I was an advertising.
Speaker 3: America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't tweet. I just like post my phono
Speaker 4: and go out of don't do like.
Speaker 1: I'm not interacting and I'm definitely not like political and
Speaker 1: definitely not like exploding to people's tweets political. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't take part in that. I just like,
Speaker 1: look at me, don't.
Speaker 4: Pretty much.
Speaker 2: What does your life look like as a creator? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about only hands, So excuse
Speaker 2: my ignoran.
Speaker 4: It's fine. It's a very different type of like lifestyle.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I actually started making like day in the
Speaker 1: Lives and I've posted them because consistently on my Instagram
Speaker 1: now because I have realized that most people don't really know.
Speaker 1: Like people think that you wake up, you take a nude,
Speaker 1: and you're done, and your life's really easy. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: although there are a lot of benefits, and I'm very
Speaker 1: grateful for this job and I don't doubt that it
Speaker 1: is easier in some aspects then like slaving away in
Speaker 1: a different job. There's so much that goes on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, So like a lot of it's admin, so
Speaker 1: the advertising, the taking of the content, the scheduling, the
Speaker 1: collaborations you're doing, working with different brands and stuff like
Speaker 1: I'm kind of collaborating with Sexpot.
Speaker 4: At the moment.
Speaker 1: Like posting, like organizing like different things to post, so
Speaker 1: you have to be so on the nose, and then
Speaker 1: you have to come up with different and creative ideas
Speaker 1: because you know, if you're just like everyone else, you're
Speaker 1: not going to get recognized posting every day.
Speaker 4: On ten plus platforms.
Speaker 1: So I've got Twitter, four Instagram, it's like a TikTok
Speaker 1: everything Reddit, So you're basically just like.
Speaker 4: On your laptop a lot.
Speaker 1: As well as the fact that you have to do
Speaker 1: or you're responding to fans you have to do, or
Speaker 1: your like sexting, live video calls, lives stay like irrelevant,
Speaker 1: so every day is a bit different. And then I'm
Speaker 1: also like living my life, got to appointments, trying to
Speaker 1: do opportunities, even like this where it's like you're taking
Speaker 1: a time to go do something that's obviously gonna be
Speaker 1: good for you, but it takes time to do all
Speaker 1: this stuff in one chain.
Speaker 3: I heard something that like, you can message people creators
Speaker 3: on only fans and people hire like agencies to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's a.
Speaker 1: Big thing in the industry, is that there's agencies that
Speaker 1: take over. I'm I've always been self run. I've never
Speaker 1: been with an agency. They do take a large percentage
Speaker 1: of your profits, usually about fifty percent probably A.
Speaker 4: Probably, yeah, like they do.
Speaker 1: I don't really know who would be replying, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that they hired people or it's probably AI, like
Speaker 1: moving down that line.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, the whole point.
Speaker 1: Of it is that it's your fans, people that are
Speaker 1: interested in you. People find you really attractive and want
Speaker 1: to talk to you and have that intimate experience with
Speaker 1: you because they like you.
Speaker 4: They don't want to talk to a robot, and I
Speaker 4: don't want them to talk to a robot.
Speaker 1: So I'm responding, I'm talking to them, and because it
Speaker 1: is live and it is my personal time, obviously there's
Speaker 1: a cost that comes a long with it, and the
Speaker 1: more popular you get kind of the more you can
Speaker 1: kind of like charge and target because your time is
Speaker 1: really valuable.
Speaker 3: Or on average would you be messaging back?
Speaker 4: Oh, like the dms are always full.
Speaker 1: It's just how much time I like every day, like
Speaker 1: even after someone to go to a cafe and smash
Speaker 1: two hours of dms, Like every day you're slaving away.
Speaker 3: On the What do they pay for that? Totally?
Speaker 1: OK, it's literally like it's I'm sorry open about money,
Speaker 1: but it's so different. So like if you're sexting with them,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people do live sexting sessions, which
Speaker 1: involves you abous have to be home and you have
Speaker 1: to be where you are to be live. But that's
Speaker 1: a lot more because they're stopping you in that time
Speaker 1: and it's not pre made content. They're just purchasing you
Speaker 1: actually like live right there. So that could be three
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for.
Speaker 4: Like twenty minutes or something.
Speaker 1: Or if you want to do a live video call,
Speaker 1: I charge like three hundred dollars for ten minutes of
Speaker 1: a live video call on like Snapchat. But if it's
Speaker 1: just like PPV, which is pay per view because you
Speaker 1: send content locked.
Speaker 4: That can range between ten to U This is crazy.
Speaker 3: We were talking about this before we came in. We
Speaker 3: had a phone call because we were just saying we
Speaker 3: don't actually know how only Fans works.
Speaker 2: And I think this is interesting.
Speaker 3: We're seen that don't know how it works.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I thought you just sign up and you don't, Like
Speaker 3: I didn't. I heard it like I said about messaging people,
Speaker 3: because I heard that, like you get agencies, but I
Speaker 3: didn't know it was full on like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the DMS away, you will make probably most
Speaker 1: of your money because there's only three or a couple
Speaker 1: of ways you can make money because your subscriptions to
Speaker 1: mine's like nine ninety nine, and then they have their
Speaker 1: rebill on every month, so then they'll get they'll pay
Speaker 1: that every month. And then there's a DMS which is
Speaker 1: where you sell your locked content, which is sexting sets, PPVs, videos, solo.
Speaker 4: Like sex tapes. I make all different types, so like that's.
Speaker 1: Where you sell that locked and then you can do
Speaker 1: like live stuff like you do live shows.
Speaker 4: Video you can like kind of take it further.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 1: I do a lot of custom videos which.
Speaker 4: Are a lot more expensive, so like between like five
Speaker 4: hundred to one thousand dollars for a custom video, and
Speaker 4: you get some interesting requests, lots of the most wild requests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say there's so many different types, but
Speaker 1: a lot to do with like food obviously, a lot
Speaker 1: of like intense ask play, like they wanted to like
Speaker 1: really like get in my wire, but like people want
Speaker 1: you to like feed your belly button spaghetti and like.
Speaker 4: We like really like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a request of a guy who wanted
Speaker 1: me to like ship in a box and send it
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 4: Do you get like different? And the video of me doing.
Speaker 2: It literally Australia Post that's what that's right.
Speaker 4: Away, I was like, I didn't do it, guys, don't worry.
Speaker 4: But I'm like in my head, I was like, so
Speaker 4: you have to express right, So that fleaking through and
Speaker 4: it's a hot day and five days in.
Speaker 1: The smells everyone else's male arrives and it stinks and
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: So when you so, when you make these videos, does
Speaker 2: the person who's bought it own that video?
Speaker 4: Definitely not.
Speaker 1: So they actually can't take it off the site. So
Speaker 1: so how do they see it? So it's it's once
Speaker 1: they unlock it, when they pay for it, that it's
Speaker 1: just available that they can see. It's not like blurred
Speaker 1: in their dms, but it stays in the only fans dms.
Speaker 4: They can't, like there's no way to download it.
Speaker 1: You'd have to screen record it, yeah, or recorder off
Speaker 1: a different device, which is illegal.
Speaker 4: People still do it because.
Speaker 1: I'm still it leaked, but there are takedown services that
Speaker 1: I have to take it down.
Speaker 4: And also only friends will sue for you out there.
Speaker 2: That's so yeah, yeahs that ever happened to you?
Speaker 4: Leaked? Yeah? Yeah, yes, oh yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot, especially when I was like really viral on
Speaker 1: TikTok all the time.
Speaker 4: So yeah, how does thee feel really?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: I think for me, it's really funny.
Speaker 1: I have a bit of like a compartmentalize it a bit,
Speaker 1: so like on camera, I'm Grace, we's lace.
Speaker 4: Off camera, I'm just Gracey and I'm me.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's kind of always been fun because
Speaker 1: it lets me separate the two identities and have of
Speaker 1: my own who I really.
Speaker 4: Am, and then like the character me.
Speaker 1: When the character literally when the character me gets leaked,
Speaker 1: I'm almost like it's not really me, Like it's just
Speaker 1: like an it's an actress, Like they don't know, so
Speaker 1: I don't get I'm like, so you know this like
Speaker 1: really intense part of me, but you actually don't really
Speaker 1: know me, so I don't really care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, has anyone ever come up to you and recognized you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, quite a bit, really all the time, just like
Speaker 1: creepy guys. It's it's definitely definitely And I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: which platform do you?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the time I get asked for
Speaker 1: like photos and stuff, but not like all day every day.
Speaker 1: But this definitely is prevalent, especially in Melbourne because Melbourne
Speaker 1: was where I blew up with TikTok, so when I
Speaker 1: had those two do counts as well, Like I would
Speaker 1: go out every day and not be able to like
Speaker 1: I'd be recognized, and I would literally get to the
Speaker 1: point where I wouldn't want to leave because I would
Speaker 1: be like, well, I look shit, so I can't even
Speaker 1: go for a walk Like basically yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you've made a million in the
Speaker 2: first year, lable, I'm not surprised you're getting fu Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 4: It was shocking to me. I was like, oh, like
Speaker 4: people are actually what people are talking about as well,
Speaker 4: like you can be successful.
Speaker 1: And then I do realize later on that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: not everyone actually is successful, so like yeah, no, Like
Speaker 1: I thought that it was like, oh, like if you're consistent,
Speaker 1: you'll just take off, and it's almost like kind of guaranteed.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I know a lot of people that
Speaker 1: they're just they're not successful at it, and it's down
Speaker 1: to like algorithm. Maybe it's oversaturated now probably. I think
Speaker 1: I started a really good time, and also Lockdown went everyone.
Speaker 1: People weren't s putting their money on it and like
Speaker 1: much outside of the home, So I think it just
Speaker 1: really appealed to the right audience.
Speaker 3: How many subscribers do you have at the moment.
Speaker 4: I think I have like three thousand, but.
Speaker 1: It kind of like it's always going up and down,
Speaker 1: especially something goes off a little bit.
Speaker 3: At ten dollars a month, that's three hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: For no, that's thirty thousand.
Speaker 3: Maybe I shouldn't do the man, it's.
Speaker 2: Not the right guys. I love it.
Speaker 4: If it was three hundred thousand that I was going to.
Speaker 2: Say, it's that's thirty thousands just from subs. That's so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then there's what you're saying before the extra
Speaker 3: charges chats and stuff.
Speaker 4: So I make between like sixty two hundred thousand a month.
Speaker 2: Wow, she got four tacks. What do you do with
Speaker 2: the money? Are you investing it?
Speaker 4: I save a lot of it.
Speaker 1: But I have bought three properties. Three properties, so I
Speaker 1: have three a house and two apartments.
Speaker 4: So congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 1: My last one just settled like a month ago. Really
Speaker 1: ones in Brisbane, ones in, ones in like city of Melbourne,
Speaker 1: ones out a little bit.
Speaker 3: This is probably what do you say to like the
Speaker 3: bank actually for the loan.
Speaker 1: I've never had any trouble because all you have to
Speaker 1: do is you recognize that you have an A, B
Speaker 1: and ballad for twelve months and you're like you're your
Speaker 1: own business. So I've never any troubles because it's like
Speaker 1: you're showing proof of income. Yeah, you show the income
Speaker 1: coming in, and I don't think the bank sinking where
Speaker 1: is it coming from?
Speaker 4: They're just thinking she can pay this loan back?
Speaker 2: So can I ask a personal I mean, I know
Speaker 2: this is all very personal, like taxes. How much tax
Speaker 2: did you pay last year?
Speaker 4: It's a disgusting amount.
Speaker 1: I think I've funded all the schooling and new roads
Speaker 1: around here, guys, but I think four hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand I paid.
Speaker 4: Literally like in July and the day I had to
Speaker 4: had to transfer out of my account and I had
Speaker 4: to pay the ATO and I was like, I need
Speaker 4: a stiff drink after this. I was like, that was
Speaker 4: it was rough.
Speaker 2: If you're paying four hundred and fifty dollars in tax,
Speaker 2: you are smashing it in life. Congratulations more tax you're paying.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to work like how to get my
Speaker 1: taxes down at the moment, so looking into like an
Speaker 1: I have an accountant that we're looking in to try
Speaker 1: to do that, because I'm like I can't do that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I get it, but I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Just I think that there's other ways. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: into that currently because it's been like, yeah, my fifth year.
Speaker 1: So the first year I paid a hundred.
Speaker 4: Thousand in tax, eight hundred thousand dollars. So the first
Speaker 4: I think it was the second year, the second year,
Speaker 4: the second year I was in it.
Speaker 1: I remember that was my highest tax bill because that's
Speaker 1: when I was like viral, yeah money.
Speaker 4: I was like, ry, oh I did. I had a breakdown.
Speaker 4: I was like, I really the money. The Government's like.
Speaker 1: That's funny thing though, is because they like were recognized
Speaker 1: as a real job. They take our taxes. We pay
Speaker 1: more taxes, and I like pay more in taxes than
Speaker 1: I think the Prime Minister earned. But where like Shane
Speaker 1: looked down and me, you can barelydvertise yourself on social media,
Speaker 1: like you'll get banned at the drop of a half.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy to me.
Speaker 1: It's like we're helping the economy, like at least help us,
Speaker 1: like go off, like.
Speaker 4: It's a value member. Like the tax bill is saying.
Speaker 3: Itself, job that is recession proof.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is recession recession proof.
Speaker 1: Job.
Speaker 3: It's always going to be dudes out there that want
Speaker 3: to pay for that sort of.
Speaker 1: Well, like sex work has been around the oldest day one,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's it's always going to be popular,
Speaker 1: like whether you're changing up the star, maybe you do
Speaker 1: in personal online Like there's always going to be a
Speaker 1: market because like you said, like there's always a horning
Speaker 1: guy out there that will pay even if he can't
Speaker 1: afford it, he will pay for his last seat.
Speaker 3: He watched a pay to watch a video of you
Speaker 3: eating spaghetti out of your watch.
Speaker 1: I also I'm like, well, I'm not paying for the
Speaker 1: food myself, so you got to send me money for
Speaker 1: the food.
Speaker 4: So then I make them buy the food.
Speaker 3: Do you send them the receipts.
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 1: I have showing like an unboxing I mean like just
Speaker 1: got my food and they're like, I'm like, thank you.
Speaker 4: They love to see it. Wow, So they pay for
Speaker 4: your actual food.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's a work. It's like a bit of working life.
Speaker 3: Oh no for the video. Sorry, I thought you were
Speaker 3: going to like giving him Like.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you like guys see a lot
Speaker 1: on my socials, but like I do a lot of
Speaker 1: findom as well. What's finder financial domination? Which is basically
Speaker 1: just taking money for nothing?
Speaker 4: You sound like you control You control men's bank accounts,
Speaker 4: so you're like, you know, hear the account?
Speaker 3: Wait what you have access to their accounts?
Speaker 1: They like they beg you, they give you the passwords,
Speaker 1: and then you dress.
Speaker 3: The money over here, you drain their money.
Speaker 4: That's like I tea of hell. That's my idea, Rember,
Speaker 4: what's a fetish?
Speaker 3: What is the like? Can you say what's the most
Speaker 3: you've been allowed?
Speaker 1: The most I've taken is probably like I don't take
Speaker 1: too much, maybe like five grand Yeah, Like.
Speaker 4: I definitely like I don't. I never ever want to
Speaker 4: fuck them over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're never there to try to like ruin their
Speaker 1: lives or leave them with nothing or they can't even live.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't want to do it. So I actually
Speaker 4: sometimes budget with them because I'm like, all right, how
Speaker 4: much do you need for you feel blah blah.
Speaker 1: Right, So then that's left I'm taking up. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm a nice I'm a nice dominate you.
Speaker 4: Welcome just a little.
Speaker 2: I'm like, now me, It's like you're so nice to
Speaker 2: budget with them, but like you're also taking their money,
Speaker 2: so like I don't know which one.
Speaker 1: Otherwise then they're like will give it all and then
Speaker 1: they'll freak out. So to keep them like yeah feeling
Speaker 1: like I guess not too freaked out and coming back,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to be moderate.
Speaker 4: It's like a long time, it's not you, it's someone
Speaker 4: else exact.
Speaker 1: They're just going to go to someone else that will
Speaker 1: do it and probably not be as nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like at least I'm being nice. And so that's
Speaker 4: how I feel.
Speaker 3: That's an industry that like it's wild. Yeah, no idea
Speaker 3: like that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: I didn't either until like a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: It was wild.
Speaker 2: Have you ever met someone from your Only Fans subscribers
Speaker 2: in real life?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually went to like on the streets and
Speaker 4: like on the streets like in real life as well.
Speaker 4: But a lot at Sexpo, which I went to in Sydney,
Speaker 4: my very first sex Way.
Speaker 2: Which is just like a big oh they would come
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 1: Big events where basically it's a lot of creators go
Speaker 1: and they kind of buy tickets and come and meet
Speaker 1: you in to the meet and greet.
Speaker 4: So I did.
Speaker 1: I met Oh, it was three days of ten hours
Speaker 1: a day of meeting fans.
Speaker 4: Taking a lot of photos. So that was really cool.
Speaker 1: And I was had a lot of women which was
Speaker 1: really cool, Like a lot of women be like I
Speaker 1: followed your Instagram for ages like I.
Speaker 4: Find you inspiring and then I'm like that means so
Speaker 4: much more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's nice to kind of be able to
Speaker 1: connect with them, I guess and like put a face
Speaker 1: to it, but I guess you just like I don't
Speaker 1: want to think about it too much.
Speaker 2: Has any of your fans ever like asked to pay
Speaker 2: you to hook up?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: And have you no?
Speaker 1: Like every day like on not only on Only Fans
Speaker 1: also on Instagram, like every platform, on TikTok, I think
Speaker 1: like people people ask for that every day.
Speaker 4: I've never I will never.
Speaker 3: What's the largest price you've been offered for that?
Speaker 4: Like one hundred grand?
Speaker 2: I mean, you're paying like eight hundred k in.
Speaker 1: Tass like you're like, but I'm also like, I also
Speaker 1: I don't trust you, and like, how am I going
Speaker 1: to know that I'm going to get that money? If
Speaker 1: I could, like, no, I'm not gonna lie, I might
Speaker 1: be more tempted to be like, all right, well it's
Speaker 1: one night. Yeah maybe, but I'm just I've never been
Speaker 1: interested in anything in person.
Speaker 4: I'm actually very picky with who I've sex with. I'm
Speaker 4: very like who I've filmed with have always been partners.
Speaker 4: Like There's been a.
Speaker 1: Few like random people, but for the most part, consistently
Speaker 1: it's been partners. And that's kind of just the way
Speaker 1: I prefer to do it. Are you in a relationship
Speaker 1: right now? I'm a single Pringle Okay had along for
Speaker 1: I was in a two year relationship that ended about
Speaker 1: a year ago that was actually very toxic in the end,
Speaker 1: so I left that one, and then I was seeing
Speaker 1: someone seeing someone like casually who I broke up with
Speaker 1: in March. I think, so it's been like, what six months?
Speaker 3: How did you take this line of work?
Speaker 1: Well, I when I met him, I was already doing it.
Speaker 1: So he it was just always like this is what
Speaker 1: I do, and you can either dislike it or leave.
Speaker 1: He was very involved, Like we actually ended.
Speaker 4: Up working together.
Speaker 1: We had a couple's page which was really successful, and
Speaker 1: then he.
Speaker 4: Locked me out of it and stole all the money
Speaker 4: from it. Are exposing him right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was. He was so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because with only fans, you only allowed two accounts
Speaker 1: under your own name and the third you can't have
Speaker 1: a third.
Speaker 4: I already have too, had like a free in the main.
Speaker 4: The third one had to be made under his name,
Speaker 4: with his bank account details and his ID so on paper.
Speaker 4: By the reason I didn't like say any thing. I
Speaker 4: couldn't like pursue it or like get it back because
Speaker 4: because it looked on paper exactly like it's his account,
Speaker 4: and he was saying, it's my account, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I have no leg to stand on because I set
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 3: But only I know that you should have had a
Speaker 3: joint bank account.
Speaker 4: Like, hello, this is like two of us. Well, they
Speaker 4: shut it down because I reported the account. I was
Speaker 4: like because he was still selling.
Speaker 1: After I couldn't get in, Like I couldn't get in
Speaker 1: and get the money, and he was like still selling it.
Speaker 4: So I was like, Okay, time to take this into
Speaker 4: my ND.
Speaker 1: So they shout a count down, which was something.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, let's for a wind back. Because it's very
Speaker 2: well documented that you grew up in a religious household.
Speaker 2: Can you kind of describe your childhood to us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I had I would say, very different upbringing,
Speaker 1: so very religious. My parents are Christian born, Like, grew
Speaker 1: up kind of as a young kid in Melbourne, but
Speaker 1: moved around a lot. I was also homeschooled and I
Speaker 1: lived in Kazakhstan and like Cambodia and Latvia for like
Speaker 1: five years.
Speaker 4: So I lived basically from.
Speaker 1: Fourteen thirteen to eighteen overseas, homeschooling and in a very
Speaker 1: heavily religious family. So it was very Now I look
Speaker 1: back at it and I'm literally in therapy for it.
Speaker 1: But it's like a lot very like traumatic religious experience,
Speaker 1: so a lot heavy on the shame, heavy on not
Speaker 1: really being able to express yourself, not being able to
Speaker 1: like I couldn't even like wear what I wanted, couldn't
Speaker 1: watch certain things, like it was just a very monitored experience.
Speaker 1: And not that it was all bad obviously, Like I
Speaker 1: loved my parents and love my family, and they did
Speaker 1: their best but for what they thought was right. But
Speaker 1: just when you reflect on it as an adult, you
Speaker 1: can see how much like really did affect you, and
Speaker 1: how much of it I don't think should be normal,
Speaker 1: like just shamed for even like wanting to explore and
Speaker 1: like have sex at like seventeen years old, like just
Speaker 1: or like wanting to like maybe maybe think that you're
Speaker 1: by and like that just wouldn't be allowed, like I
Speaker 1: would have been probably just a family.
Speaker 3: I find it now then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a good question into question I at the start,
Speaker 1: they like they still don't love it because they're still religious,
Speaker 1: but they love that I'm really smart with my money.
Speaker 1: And then I've invested it and like my dad lives
Speaker 1: in one of my houses.
Speaker 4: It's like how much can you complain about?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I help, like I help them out a lot.
Speaker 4: I help help my family out financially quite a bit.
Speaker 1: So I think I feel lucky that I get to
Speaker 1: be able to do that and be in the position
Speaker 1: where I can help other people because I really want to,
Speaker 1: and especially my family.
Speaker 4: So they have come to terms with it.
Speaker 1: By the start, they were very much like, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna love you, no one's gonna want to be with you,
Speaker 1: like discuss seeing like you're disgusting. So at the start
Speaker 1: it was from your parents.
Speaker 4: No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was horrible, but like I just knew it was
Speaker 1: the right thing for me. I was and when I've
Speaker 1: decided that, there's just nothing that changes my mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: You have two sisters that right, Yes, I'm the middle
Speaker 2: and you're the middle child.
Speaker 4: Do they do only her?
Speaker 1: So we actually all double in like sex work so different,
Speaker 1: so that I think we all have an only offense account.
Speaker 1: I think I'm the most like active and like recognized
Speaker 1: from it. A younger sister, she's getting more into it,
Speaker 1: but she was doing a lot of like tops, waitressing
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And then my older sister was an escort. I don't
Speaker 4: know if she still is now.
Speaker 1: We're actually not in like communication anymore. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: we all kind of have doubled in that line of work, which.
Speaker 4: Is kind of funny. I think three sisitors, Like would.
Speaker 3: You say because your parents were so strict and so
Speaker 3: like shameful about that sort of stuff that it almost
Speaker 3: pushed you all the war. It's doing that.
Speaker 1: I fully, I don't think it's the only reason I'm
Speaker 1: not like here being like I was a damage shamed kid,
Speaker 1: so this is my rebellion. But I think that it
Speaker 1: plays a role in it. But I was really hesitant
Speaker 1: to go into sex work. It wasn't like I was
Speaker 1: conscious of being like fuck you guys, like I'm my.
Speaker 4: Body, I can do what I want. Like that kind
Speaker 4: of happened later, but at the start it was just
Speaker 4: because I was broke, and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is actually quite like fulfilling and I actually really
Speaker 4: enjoy this. So at the start it wasn't like that.
Speaker 4: But I definitely think it plays a role.
Speaker 1: I think that we've been influenced because we were not
Speaker 1: allowed to like show any of our legs.
Speaker 4: Or like just yeah, I think it does.
Speaker 2: It's crazy to go like, if you've come from an
Speaker 2: extremely strict Catholic upbringing where you're like not allowed to
Speaker 2: show skin to then all three of your sisters, Yeah,
Speaker 2: being in the sex industry, that's like hard pretty brain around.
Speaker 1: I always say my poor dad, I was just having
Speaker 1: like my poor father. I'm like, I love him and
Speaker 1: he loves us, But I'm like, I don't doubt that's
Speaker 1: probably difficult.
Speaker 3: They still as heavily religious.
Speaker 4: Yes, I would say. I'd say, though, like they've probably.
Speaker 1: Gotten a bit mellowed out as the years have gone by,
Speaker 1: but they're definitely still like, go to church and pray.
Speaker 3: Are you religious?
Speaker 1: I'm very spiritual now and I'm really aligned with that,
Speaker 1: but absolutely I don't really.
Speaker 4: This might like causest, but like I don't really like religion.
Speaker 1: I love faith like I love having a faith in
Speaker 1: a higher power, and like, if that's God for you,
Speaker 1: if that's source, if that's like whatever you want it
Speaker 1: to be, but I don't really If you believe in
Speaker 1: that and that makes you feel right about yourself, but
Speaker 1: like I don't. It's not for me man made religion
Speaker 1: with like rules, I just I don't really identify with it.
Speaker 4: Who was the first out of your sisters to kind
Speaker 4: of start the trend?
Speaker 1: My oldest sister actually, she started escorting I think when
Speaker 1: she was like eighteen.
Speaker 2: And did your parents immediately find out about how?
Speaker 4: I actually only found out kind of recently, she like
Speaker 4: really kept it deal.
Speaker 2: What was the first, like, what was the first, like
Speaker 2: out of all of the all three of you, that
Speaker 2: your parents found.
Speaker 4: Out about my younger sister. So she started stripping at eighteen,
Speaker 4: and while she still lived at home and we all
Speaker 4: lived like at home together, and she lied like I'm
Speaker 4: outing her right now, but like.
Speaker 1: A few months and just said that she was working
Speaker 1: at like a bar because obviously she was working at night,
Speaker 1: so she was doing like night shifts at a bar,
Speaker 1: and like they would always be like, oh, we'll come
Speaker 1: visit you.
Speaker 4: And she was like, no, it's just a very young
Speaker 4: crowd made up this bar name doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And so they found out, and yeah, like they kicked
Speaker 1: her out. So she they said you have to stop
Speaker 1: or you have to get out. So she was like, well.
Speaker 4: I want to keep going. So she got kicked out obviously.
Speaker 1: Then I find it funnycause I'm like, but you kicked
Speaker 1: her out, so now she kind of has to do
Speaker 1: it because she's got no money, so it's like you've
Speaker 1: kind of just pushed her into it of a corner now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they found out, and I remember the day
Speaker 1: and it was highly traumatic.
Speaker 3: It would be older escorting. Then what did she say
Speaker 3: that she was doing?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: She at that point lived out of home, so she
Speaker 4: was eighteen. Oh so me and my young sister and
Speaker 4: my parents.
Speaker 1: My older sister moved back to Australia before we came
Speaker 1: back when I was eighteen.
Speaker 4: She was already.
Speaker 1: Established like two years before we came by herself. So
Speaker 1: she kind of just lied to them. Yeah, just lied,
Speaker 1: just like I did for a few months. You can't
Speaker 1: handle the truth, honestly, So.
Speaker 2: That's a hard one to handle as well. Yeah, parents, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: were you nervous when they found out?
Speaker 4: Like what was that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So I they found out not the best way.
Speaker 1: My mom found my link through my Instagram And at
Speaker 1: the time, when you like have the link on the fans,
Speaker 1: when you open it up, you can either have it
Speaker 1: locked so you can't see any like blurred anything that
Speaker 1: you can't see any captions, or you can have the
Speaker 1: option there you can't see the content, you can kind
Speaker 1: of see the captions to the photos. I had it
Speaker 1: that version, so she opened it up and read all
Speaker 1: these captions.
Speaker 4: She's like, what the hell is what is going? And
Speaker 4: I couldn't even like be like no, it's a gym
Speaker 4: only fans about like because I'm like, well, she.
Speaker 3: Can see i'd be pretty confronting for your mum. She
Speaker 3: was so like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very yeah, And like I definitely feel bad at
Speaker 1: times at the start because I was like, it would
Speaker 1: be hard and I can't imagine, especially when it goes
Speaker 1: against your belief system. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like my belief is just don't have kids if you
Speaker 1: can't handle them not being like an exact replica of
Speaker 1: you and having different beliefs literally because.
Speaker 4: They're going to go off on their own and they
Speaker 4: need to do that.
Speaker 1: I need to feel released, otherwise they won't want to
Speaker 1: be around you and you're so strict.
Speaker 3: Going to reel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 2: I definitely think that, like you can push your kids
Speaker 2: too far to.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I think absolutely my mum and dad
Speaker 3: did it pretty well.
Speaker 4: I never felt the urge to rebel that was raised
Speaker 4: religious adult.
Speaker 3: I went to a Catholic school.
Speaker 4: I used to get to church community. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I mean my nana was extremely religious, Like we would
Speaker 2: go to church and she would like pound it hard,
Speaker 2: like when they were I don't know, yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 2: but I was just like, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Did you ever get into it?
Speaker 2: My parents like aren't really my dad's not religious, and
Speaker 2: then my mum would like go because of my nana.
Speaker 2: And then we moved to Australia, so oh wait where
Speaker 2: were you? I was born in the UK. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I can relate a lot to you moving around and yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah different.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. Yeah, I won't get into like religion on
Speaker 3: this podcast my beliefs, but I like to think, like
Speaker 3: you said, there's something out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like it makes you feel better when you
Speaker 1: think that there's some high power totally kind of like
Speaker 1: and like fate and like I don't know.
Speaker 4: And in a day even if there isn't, if it.
Speaker 1: Makes you feel better and you feel happier, it makes
Speaker 1: you feel like more aligned and positive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, into your life and other people's life. Do what
Speaker 3: you want. But when it gets like toxic and you're like,
Speaker 3: you know, not doing it for the good, then maybe
Speaker 3: let it go.
Speaker 2: Do you ever have to deal with obviously a lot
Speaker 2: of people are extremely judging, especially on social media. How
Speaker 2: do you deal with that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. I learned quickly to block
Speaker 1: it out. I think when I had my tikto accounts,
Speaker 1: they would generate so much.
Speaker 4: Hate, like I would get cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they and like TikTok is notorious for being
Speaker 1: quite mean. I think especiould you end up on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of it and you're like wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: like I swear I wasn't on this side yesterday. I
Speaker 1: come back, I was cooled everything under the sun you
Speaker 1: could ever think of. And I think it just eventually
Speaker 1: rolls off you like water. You're just like like one
Speaker 1: you don't know me, and if you met me, probably
Speaker 1: like me, because I think I'm quite like.
Speaker 4: You are very like.
Speaker 3: That's probably one of the best ways to put it.
Speaker 3: You see all these hate comments like you don't know
Speaker 3: you listen.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys understand.
Speaker 3: You are a couple of tiktoks and a couple of
Speaker 3: stories into a like you don't like, you don't know
Speaker 3: me as like a person. If you actually sat down
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: You probably And then I feel like people who listen
Speaker 2: to this podcast pretty much name they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a fair point. But like some of
Speaker 3: these people like will take little snippets of like something
Speaker 3: you've said in a podcast and they like it and
Speaker 3: twist it into something and you're like, get a life.
Speaker 4: Literally, that's why I think as well, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: like you're just sitting there, no time to do anything
Speaker 4: and not grow.
Speaker 1: Like at that time, I actually think, I'm like I
Speaker 1: always say this thing. I'm like, I'm sending your love
Speaker 1: and light because you need it more than I do.
Speaker 2: In this moment, imagine like someone it's like people who
Speaker 2: like no one who is successful that I know sends
Speaker 2: hate commings. No, if you're sending hate comments, you're literally
Speaker 2: holding up a pluque saying I'm doing nothing.
Speaker 4: I'm jealous, You're you're better than me. I'm trying to
Speaker 4: bring you back down to my level.
Speaker 2: You're literally outing yourself for doing nothing.
Speaker 3: And they do it off fake accounts as well off
Speaker 3: your real account, Like.
Speaker 4: There is make like ten different accounts. Do you think
Speaker 4: it has the psychological effect on you?
Speaker 2: Because obviously hates one thing, but when it's kind of
Speaker 2: like you're getting hate and it's to do with sex work,
Speaker 2: does that have a psychological like deep effect question.
Speaker 4: I think it probably does.
Speaker 1: I don't really think too deeply into it, and I've
Speaker 1: actually I've been asked us before, and I've actually been
Speaker 1: aswered by my therapist and I was like, does it
Speaker 1: like does it effect But maybe I'm not aware of it,
Speaker 1: but I think it does a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: don't actually think I get that bothered by things. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just my personality trait. Maybe some someone else would,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like it gets to a point.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys know where you just have to
Speaker 1: decide that not going to be bothered by it. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of like for me, it's an everyday decision.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't really care because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I love my life. I like
Speaker 1: who I am. That's really all that matters to me.
Speaker 1: And I have friends and family that also like me,
Speaker 1: and that's the end of the day what matters. And
Speaker 1: if it really affects me that much, then I'll just
Speaker 1: delet you or I won't look at it or but
Speaker 1: I'm sure it does, and especially when I get like
Speaker 1: leaked videos back in the day, especially like sex tapes
Speaker 1: got leaked and that was really kind of confronting and
Speaker 1: hard to deal with it at that time, but it
Speaker 1: would be I don't know, I just I get really
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just really used to it. It doesn't really
Speaker 1: affase me anymore.
Speaker 4: Plus you're like, which house will I go to today?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I just love earning money, this is great.
Speaker 4: I'm like, actually, the hate drives my career. So like
Speaker 4: you keep on hate.
Speaker 1: The comments engaged exactly, and sometimes we'll set up things.
Speaker 1: I'll set up things to be like I know that
Speaker 1: people are gonna want to call that out.
Speaker 4: Does it gets more engagement?
Speaker 3: They don't get it there?
Speaker 4: No, they like you did the wrong way. And I'm like, does.
Speaker 2: This career have a time limit? Does it have an
Speaker 2: expiry day?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: I would definitely think so. So I'm twenty seven. I saw
Speaker 1: when I was twenty two. I want to be done
Speaker 1: with it. Probably by thirty, I would say in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And again I can't speak for everyone, and everyone starts
Speaker 1: at different ages and different times. Some people maybe want
Speaker 1: to do this rest of life, but for me, it
Speaker 1: probably is like a ten year window of like smashing
Speaker 1: it out. And that's why I work so hard, Like
Speaker 1: every day it's just the grind because I know it's
Speaker 1: a limited time and I want to.
Speaker 4: Make the most while I'm relevant. The hottest.
Speaker 1: I'll probably ever be like you know, in your twenties,
Speaker 1: to make the most of it, and then I'll be
Speaker 1: done and kind of just go live off in one
Speaker 1: of my houses and drug ortion.
Speaker 4: Lives a life. That's the plan. The plan.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a workaholic, so I never like my goal
Speaker 1: is never to be like, oh finally I can still working.
Speaker 4: It's just like relaxs, Like I don't really want to
Speaker 4: just do that.
Speaker 1: I'll always be business minded, and I whether I start
Speaker 1: my own business.
Speaker 4: Or an agency for I've been thinking of starting like
Speaker 4: a mentoring agency.
Speaker 1: I'm actually mentoring someone right now for only fans, So
Speaker 1: I really want to help women.
Speaker 4: That's like I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what, like capacity, whether it's health and fitness,
Speaker 1: which is like a huge passion of mine, or like
Speaker 1: even just earning money and like being able to be
Speaker 1: successful only fans.
Speaker 4: I really really want to help people.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I'm trying to gear my
Speaker 1: socials up to be a little bit more like that
Speaker 1: as well, and just less about me, because it's all
Speaker 1: well and fun to just make money, but like without
Speaker 1: it's not very rewarding. I find when you aren't really
Speaker 1: contributing or helping anyone, and I just really like, I
Speaker 1: always want to just give back to people.
Speaker 4: That's my end gold. We like to have some kind
Speaker 4: of business where I'm helping people, but I'm also like
Speaker 4: working off my own schedule, can relax and travel really
Speaker 4: where I want with a cool man.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like, you know, the only thing
Speaker 2: that I would question is and I think I'm only
Speaker 2: saying this because I have this problem, is like it's
Speaker 2: never enough. Like for me, when I started my business,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, when I start my business, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be so happy. And then you get and
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, when I make this much, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be really happy. Then you get there, and then it's
Speaker 2: like it's like I feel like we all kind of
Speaker 2: chase the happiness.
Speaker 4: We always chase the goal post.
Speaker 2: Like I think a lot of people the fact that
Speaker 2: you have three houses is insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's amazing because I'm like, oh, yeah, like
Speaker 4: I forgot but I want another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I definitely get what you mean.
Speaker 1: And I think that, like with only fans, especially when
Speaker 1: you're earning high income, any dip can feel a little
Speaker 1: bit scary, but also like you're just kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: how much more can I do?
Speaker 4: And if I do this opportunity, like, how much more
Speaker 4: can I earn?
Speaker 1: And I kind of and I've talked to my friends
Speaker 1: about this and it's almost like it's never enough. It's
Speaker 1: never and you have to learn to be satisfied and grateful.
Speaker 1: That's why I practice gratitue every day because you really
Speaker 1: have to embody gratitude or you can't get carried away
Speaker 1: and just be like, oh but I am a little
Speaker 1: bit more last month, and it's like yeah, but like,
Speaker 1: look at how much you're earning, especially compared to like
Speaker 1: someone else, Like look at that and being so greedy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just be happy. That's why I have to drill
Speaker 1: into myself.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's it's a crazy cycle.
Speaker 2: And I've heard so many people, espectually people who earn
Speaker 2: a lot of money talk about it it's never enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's an addiction, I think, And success is
Speaker 1: an addiction I think because I think if you start
Speaker 1: to feel like you're dropping away, you're not as relevant,
Speaker 1: or like your views going down, it can feel a
Speaker 1: little bit scary, especially when you make your money from
Speaker 1: the Internet off of things being relevant and viral, so
Speaker 1: it can be an addiction that you kind of like
Speaker 1: always tasting.
Speaker 4: And for me, I'm always trying to.
Speaker 1: Look at what's doing well and always on social media
Speaker 1: and be like what can I post next?
Speaker 4: And what's relevant and what can I keep pushing?
Speaker 1: So exhausting, it's exhausting, Like even a holiday I go on,
Speaker 1: it's never really a holiday because that's prime time to
Speaker 1: protect content because beautiful places. I understand that I won't
Speaker 1: probably rest in terms of like holiday wise until I'm
Speaker 1: finished with on the sands and that's okay, Like I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that. Like I try to like take my
Speaker 1: time when I can, but I'm known to be quite
Speaker 1: a workaholic.
Speaker 4: And my friends always telling me because I'm like they're
Speaker 4: eleven PM, be like, I just got to get back
Speaker 4: to this.
Speaker 2: Do you think obviously you get a lot of validation online.
Speaker 2: What type of effect do you think that plays on
Speaker 2: your self esteem? Having all this external validation.
Speaker 1: I think that I am used to it, and I
Speaker 1: think it's lovely and I definitely know it makes me
Speaker 1: feel good. I also recognize that I think when it stops,
Speaker 1: it will affect me, even just subconsciously.
Speaker 4: I think I will.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I look for it or
Speaker 1: like crave it, but it's so normal to me to
Speaker 1: almost be like a little bit worshiped on my platform
Speaker 1: that I think it is going to be an adjustment,
Speaker 1: and that's like something I'm having to be aware of
Speaker 1: that it's not happening right now, but it probably will
Speaker 1: in the future. So I think just being able to
Speaker 1: handle that. I have always struggled with really bad body
Speaker 1: of somorphia. Like I have really had self esteem issues
Speaker 1: my whole entire life, and I.
Speaker 4: Feel like a lot of women do, especially when you're in.
Speaker 1: The spotlight and you're like always critiquing how you look,
Speaker 1: and you're like videoing yourself from all different angles.
Speaker 4: And you're like, oh, like I like that angle, but
Speaker 4: you have to raise it. You get really hypercritical.
Speaker 1: So I think just absolutely trying to work through and
Speaker 1: like really like logic through that to make sure you're
Speaker 1: not going to get too affected, because.
Speaker 4: I like we all do. We get affected the way
Speaker 4: we look and feel.
Speaker 3: Being self aware is the first step. Quite good to
Speaker 3: be self aware.
Speaker 2: So obviously you're single, currently, how do you navigate dating?
Speaker 4: Are you dating?
Speaker 1: So I would say it can be a little bit
Speaker 1: more difficult as a sex worker. I am obviously on
Speaker 1: dating apps because I'm like everyone, I want to get
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 4: I want to see what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking to actually date right now, No, you
Speaker 1: cannot before. I got my hingeback kind of recently, and
Speaker 1: I'm like really protective over right now.
Speaker 4: So I don't even put Instagram on there anymore.
Speaker 1: But when guys like I give them my backup account
Speaker 1: because I don't want them on my main account. But
Speaker 1: I find the conversation very interesting because it always comes
Speaker 1: to what do you do? So I kind of try
Speaker 1: to downplay it a little bit. I'm like, I'm like
Speaker 1: content creation and like.
Speaker 4: Modeling, yeah, and like a little bit of ara, and
Speaker 4: they're like, what's your main source of income?
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, So it's an awkward conversation sometimes, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to be around someone who can't handle
Speaker 1: that off the bat, so you should try to get
Speaker 1: it out of the way.
Speaker 4: But I'm not looking to date right now.
Speaker 1: I'm really focused on myself and for that, I have
Speaker 1: pretty much been in relationship since I was nineteen, so
Speaker 1: I really want to take like a year just like
Speaker 1: focus on myself. I'm like, that's when they say you
Speaker 1: will find someone apparently anyway you're not looking so but
Speaker 1: it is hard and like guys, I also one of
Speaker 1: my biggest things is I won't be with someone who
Speaker 1: won't film with me. So that's like I guess a
Speaker 1: nick if I can't have if they won't film or
Speaker 1: a they canter just in filming or being a part.
Speaker 4: They don't have to be on my page.
Speaker 1: Like with your face, I keep it anonymous, but you
Speaker 1: have to be willing to take part in a video
Speaker 1: otherwise I don't see.
Speaker 3: A future with you without their fact like.
Speaker 1: Just always anonymous. It's always been anonymous because I want to.
Speaker 4: I want to protect you.
Speaker 1: I want to protect your identity and your reputation. Mine's
Speaker 1: already I can protect you. We don't have to have
Speaker 1: your face in it, which is like we can work
Speaker 1: around it.
Speaker 3: Except for the partner that took account.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had his face out there, and I'm like
Speaker 4: thank god.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So that's interesting. So is that a deal breaker for
Speaker 4: some people?
Speaker 2: Like has that been like a bit of amount.
Speaker 4: Of deal broker?
Speaker 1: I have actually never had it progress at the point
Speaker 1: of like we're about to date, and that became the
Speaker 1: deal breaker that ended it. But it's definitely been like
Speaker 1: things in like situations where I say that and then
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, I'm probably not keen to do that,
Speaker 1: or they get like they say they're keen and then
Speaker 1: they get really shy and they're like they talk the talk.
Speaker 1: But then you're like, all right, so here's the camera.
Speaker 1: The triple's over there, so I want this, this, and this.
Speaker 4: I'm very bossy when i'm filming. I want this, I
Speaker 4: want this, and I want three.
Speaker 1: Minutes here, and I want you to do that and
Speaker 1: then like flip me over and put it on the
Speaker 1: trouble You're good.
Speaker 2: And they're like, they're like.
Speaker 4: When did I say I want to actually vice?
Speaker 3: Someone has walked out for that.
Speaker 4: Yes, really they are good rights, right.
Speaker 1: I pay them usually between five hundred two thousand for
Speaker 1: a tape it. Yeah, yeah, so I always want to
Speaker 1: give back to them because I'm like, I get it.
Speaker 1: It's it's not the same as normal sex. It's not
Speaker 1: as like in the moment and you're setting things up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sometimes it can be if you're just
Speaker 1: setting up a tripod, but I want you to like
Speaker 1: film it. Point of view and you have to like
Speaker 1: think about it and concentrate and so yeah.
Speaker 4: Well what's the incentive other than just having sex with me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: The money?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you want to eventually settle down, Like do you
Speaker 2: picture like the marriage and the kids or yeah.
Speaker 4: I definitely do.
Speaker 1: I think like I definitely think I want kids, probably
Speaker 1: more in my like mid thirties.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I'm really just about myself right now. Selfish, Are
Speaker 4: you worried about your kids like in the future seeing
Speaker 4: this sort of stuff and find.
Speaker 1: Again like, yeah, I yeah, I am not worried about
Speaker 1: it because I think at that point, I think the
Speaker 1: world the world's moving is that we are getting more
Speaker 1: and more open, and like, if I want to raise
Speaker 1: my kids not religious, it'll just be an open conversation
Speaker 1: and it would just be like, you know, your mom
Speaker 1: did some adult things and you.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't be in such a nice school now, Timmy if
Speaker 4: you if she didn't do it, So thanks for ten years.
Speaker 4: But it'll just be an open conversation.
Speaker 1: And obviously you can't control everything, and there's always going
Speaker 1: to be possible.
Speaker 4: Consequences to your actions. But I'm just doing the best
Speaker 4: I can for what I like given and what I
Speaker 4: want to do, so I guess I'll just cross that bridge.
Speaker 2: Another hypothetical question, these probably aren't the funnest we to have,
Speaker 2: But how would you feel if you had a daughter
Speaker 2: who decided to kind of follow in the same path
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 1: I would definitely be supportive. I would not be pushing.
Speaker 4: Three videos.
Speaker 3: That's actually I actually think.
Speaker 4: That amazing thing. Sweetie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 1: I would definitely not be pushing her down that line,
Speaker 1: and I would.
Speaker 4: Just choking.
Speaker 1: I would be trying to get her to do maybe
Speaker 1: more like if it's still around influencing, say, because I
Speaker 1: think there's a money in that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if she the heart was set on it, because
Speaker 2: obviously if you're like, well, we've got the money you
Speaker 2: don't need exactly because I grew up so broke, that's
Speaker 2: what I feel like, really like if I wasn't as broke,
Speaker 2: I don't think we were so broke growing up?
Speaker 4: So how broke? Like like sometimes like we like how
Speaker 4: much did you that? I think that like sometimes we
Speaker 4: could barely eat, like we eat like white rice, Like
Speaker 4: see that must have a psychological effect, because it definitely has,
Speaker 4: which my therapist talks about.
Speaker 1: She's like, so you just like hold onto money and
Speaker 1: that's why you like have trouble spending it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, at least I don't blow it all.
Speaker 1: It's not like the worst like trauma response to having
Speaker 1: no money. I bought it and I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: spending it because I'm like it makes me.
Speaker 2: Feel like that's yeah, that's obviously I feel like that
Speaker 2: could be potentially part of the reason as well. I
Speaker 2: think so, yeah, and now you're like, as.
Speaker 3: Any guy that you've dated felt demasculated that you're making
Speaker 3: more money than.
Speaker 1: Them, yes, I would say, but it's probably more.
Speaker 4: Like all right.
Speaker 1: With my ex of like the two years I he
Speaker 1: got really resentful in the end, even though I tried
Speaker 1: to be really fair with it, like this is my business,
Speaker 1: like I'm not like just handing it over to you.
Speaker 4: I think he got really resentful that I.
Speaker 1: Was earning a lot more than him, and he got
Speaker 1: like nitpicky with things and he got that's kind of
Speaker 1: like the downfall of our relationship.
Speaker 3: Was like his can't handle it.
Speaker 1: And I think that he also like freaked out with
Speaker 1: if anything got leaked and because obviously he's in it too,
Speaker 1: and his face was in it. Towards the end, so
Speaker 1: then I felt about it was kind of like, I
Speaker 1: think you both have to be really.
Speaker 4: On board with it.
Speaker 1: I would never want to date a creator, like I
Speaker 1: would never want to date myself that guy, because there's
Speaker 1: not that many guy creators in the industry and the
Speaker 1: ones that are like, they'll film with everyone, So for me.
Speaker 4: I kind of want to date nobody and.
Speaker 2: Then like have it like it's like yeah, exactly for
Speaker 2: the future. Grace, thank you so much for coming past.
Speaker 2: This has been so insightful. Thank you for being so open.
Speaker 2: It's just been like I feel like I've learned.
Speaker 3: A lot about only I've never been to tell us
Speaker 3: if it was good.
Speaker 4: There's a lot, there's a lot that's going on. Thank
Speaker 4: you so much, guys. Until next time,