Speaker 1: I'm Daniel James and you're listening to seven Am. Pauline
Speaker 1: Hanson's call for Australia to become a monoculture was meant
Speaker 1: to draw a line around national identity. Instead, it opened
Speaker 1: up a new split inside the Liberal Party. This week,
Speaker 1: the idea left Opposition leader Angus Taylor looking bewildered, unable
Speaker 1: to say clearly where he stood on multiculturalism. Andrew Hasty
Speaker 1: took the opposite approach in navigating the challenge presented by
Speaker 1: One Nation, launching a full assault on One Nation from
Speaker 1: inside the coalition party room. And as the right fights
Speaker 1: over Hanson's rise, a new party from two till independents
Speaker 1: is trying to offer voters another way out. Today news
Speaker 1: dot Com that AU political editor Samantha Maiden on a
Speaker 1: week of conservative confusion, One Nation pressure and the TiAl
Speaker 1: independence trying to turn disillusionment into votes. It's Saturday, Dune
Speaker 1: twenty seven, Sam, Good to see you again. Pauline Hanson
Speaker 1: spoke more about her infamous monocultural idea in a Senate
Speaker 1: speech this week. Apparently Italian pastor and Chinese takeaway our
Speaker 1: OK in the monoculture so eighties Icon's Paul Hogan and
Speaker 1: Norman Gunston a personal favorite. Bring back Paul Hogan and
Speaker 1: Norman Gunston.
Speaker 2: These are the essential features.
Speaker 3: Of austrain monoculture and there's nothing remotely exclusionary about them.
Speaker 1: And the soccer us are actually an example of the monoculture,
Speaker 1: even though it goes against everything that they actually stand for.
Speaker 1: Did that clear things up for you, Sam, because they
Speaker 1: didn't really clear things up for me.
Speaker 3: Look, I'll tell you what I think and you might
Speaker 3: not like it. I think that what Pauline Hanson is
Speaker 3: doing right now is really politically diabolically smart because she's
Speaker 3: come up with this word that dry progressive Australia, left
Speaker 3: wing Australia, absolutely bonkers, and then everyone comes out of
Speaker 3: their heidihold to debate it and discuss it. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying you shouldn't do that, Like it's a free country,
Speaker 3: and I think it's legitimate to question our political leaders
Speaker 3: and what they say. But the more people do that,
Speaker 3: the more we're just everyone's talking about Pauline Hanson. So
Speaker 3: that's exactly where she wants to be. And so I
Speaker 3: suppose if you go looking for coherence and you know,
Speaker 3: like a policy agenda that is completely logical, right, Well,
Speaker 3: you're going to get sad and angry, and then the
Speaker 3: media is just going to keep talking about Pauline.
Speaker 2: I mean she actually started. I think she first said
Speaker 2: it in the press club, right, and then but then Angus.
Speaker 3: Taylor gets asked about it, he doesn't have a proper answer.
Speaker 3: On the same day, actually before Angus Taylor's press conference,
Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty comes out, you know, jumping into the Coalition
Speaker 3: party room with his war paint on and says, you know,
Speaker 3: I'd rather go out in a box than bend the
Speaker 3: need of Pauline heads and ruh like we're lo tazanakt right,
Speaker 3: and then elbows in Parliament accusing Angers of not being
Speaker 3: as strong as the memph Canning who of course Andrew
Speaker 3: Hasty and everybody's talking about Pauline, right, and that's exactly
Speaker 3: what she wants.
Speaker 1: Isn't the risk, though, Sam, that people are to get
Speaker 1: bored of it? Though? I mean we're still two years
Speaker 1: out from election. If we're all talking about Pauline like
Speaker 1: we are constantly at the moment after the NPC address,
Speaker 1: that will actually get bored over time by the repetition
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: I don't think that they're going to be able to
Speaker 3: maintain this level of support all the way to twenty
Speaker 3: twenty eight, right, So I think that they're hitting their
Speaker 3: straps at the wrong moment in the political timeline in
Speaker 3: Pauline had Hanson's favor, you know, like right now, they're
Speaker 3: raking in the donations, right that's going to help them
Speaker 3: build a really strong wat chist for you know, the
Speaker 3: fight that they're going to have in the future. But
Speaker 3: she's pulled out. I mean, I don't know how much
Speaker 3: she would have paid on those fire the live trucks,
Speaker 3: and then she's parking them out the front of Palmit
Speaker 3: House and then she's having the blues with the journos.
Speaker 2: So it's all very Trump esque.
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure that Wind is going to be
Speaker 3: in her sales at the right moment. That doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that like she wouldn't pick up seats at the next election.
Speaker 3: I'm sure she could and would and will, or that
Speaker 3: she won't prove a terrible problem for the Liberals. But
Speaker 3: I don't think that she's in the position to form government,
Speaker 3: and I don't think there's any poll that suggests that.
Speaker 3: And so I think that when people run around going
Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson is going to be the PM.
Speaker 2: I think that's rubbish.
Speaker 3: I think what would be really fascinating is if you know,
Speaker 3: if an election was held right now, she would emerge
Speaker 3: as the new opposition.
Speaker 2: Right and that would be wow, a big change.
Speaker 3: But I think the more accurate reflection of what's really
Speaker 3: going on in Australian politics right now is it's more
Speaker 3: closely aligned with the UK. So you're getting that thing
Speaker 3: where everything's divided a third or third or third. The
Speaker 3: Labor government is on a really low primary, the Conservatives
Speaker 3: are completely shot smatherines and don't really know if there
Speaker 3: are Arthur or Martha, and then you've got this resurgent
Speaker 3: reform UK under the Nigel Farage batter.
Speaker 2: It's really the same thing in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: It really is one of the things that this discussion
Speaker 1: around monoculture has done, as you alluded to, Sam, has
Speaker 1: really tie Anchus Taylor up in knots.
Speaker 4: People coming to this country must adhere to these values.
Speaker 1: That is what I want to see. We will discriminate.
Speaker 2: Exist with multiculturalism is the well.
Speaker 4: I don't quite know what you mean by that question,
Speaker 4: but what I mean, I can tell you what.
Speaker 1: I mean side step five questions earlier this week about
Speaker 1: whether he supported multiculturalism. What did you make of that?
Speaker 2: I thought it was a hot mess. You me clear,
Speaker 2: mister Taylor. Do you believe Australia should be a monoculture?
Speaker 4: You explained to me watching mean By They said, there's
Speaker 4: all these vague words running around. But I tell you what,
Speaker 4: the one thing I want all of us to share
Speaker 4: is those core Australian values.
Speaker 3: The problem that they've got is that he's trying to
Speaker 3: run all this anti immigration stuff. You know, like he's
Speaker 3: trying to say the numbers are too high and the
Speaker 3: quality is too low, whatever that means, right, you know, like,
Speaker 3: how does he come at, Pauline, you do support multiculturalism?
Speaker 1: Seems like I'm pretty stroke, but you wanted to find
Speaker 1: it for me?
Speaker 4: It's busy.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if that's a problem for you that
Speaker 1: you can't know.
Speaker 4: We can have people from all over the world, right,
Speaker 4: that is not a problem.
Speaker 1: Let me finish.
Speaker 4: Now you've got me going here, so let me have
Speaker 4: a Let me have a We can have people from
Speaker 4: all over the world, of all races and religions in
Speaker 4: this country, but they must share those core values.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much simpler it can be than that.
Speaker 3: It's a really tricky problem for him, But the fact
Speaker 3: that he is scared he doesn't know how to do
Speaker 3: it kind of makes me wonder a little bit as
Speaker 3: well as if he doesn't really believe it all. I
Speaker 3: just wonder about that, you know, because I think that,
Speaker 3: you know, Angus Taylor is an economic conservative. Is he
Speaker 3: really been someone who's like a ranging anti immigration person
Speaker 3: his whole career?
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not sure if he is.
Speaker 3: And I'm even a bit fascinated by the Hasty thing,
Speaker 3: right because Hasty has run lots of anti immigration stuff, right,
Speaker 3: So when Hasty comes out and he's like, yeah, I'd
Speaker 3: rather get taken out in a box, So I'm doing
Speaker 3: it again. I'm doing my ridiculous persons. When he's so bolshy,
Speaker 3: like you know, like mum the barricades, you know, we
Speaker 3: fight one nation at dawn.
Speaker 1: I mean, he even came out and quoted Paul Keating
Speaker 1: by saying that he wanted to do nation slowly, more
Speaker 1: slowly I want to do There's a tremendously different approach
Speaker 1: to his leader. So are we hearing anything about Angus
Speaker 1: Taylor's leadership at the moment, given how bulshy Andrew Hasty
Speaker 1: has been this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think that there's definitely I've spoken to
Speaker 3: liberal MP's in the last week who aren't sure whether
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor is going to go the distance. That said
Speaker 3: at this stage, at least they've got the brains to say, well,
Speaker 3: we're not going to neck him now, why.
Speaker 2: Would we do that?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: I still think the kind of problem with Andrew Hasty
Speaker 3: is that he's quite brittle, and he's got quite a
Speaker 3: thin skin, and you know, like he gets really offended
Speaker 3: when people criticize.
Speaker 2: Him, and I think he has had a really tough time.
Speaker 3: With the criticism that has erupted over the Ben Roberts
Speaker 3: Smith stuff. Like I won't go into all the detail,
Speaker 3: but like the short version is that you know, he
Speaker 3: was obviously in the seas he didn't like what he
Speaker 3: was hearing about Ben Robert Smith, and he tried to
Speaker 3: support people that were complaining about it and gave evidence
Speaker 3: in the defamation trial. And as a result of that,
Speaker 3: he's been attacked by Ben Robert Smith's mum, by Geena
Speaker 3: Ryan Hart and by Pauline Hanson. The ladies are ganging.
Speaker 1: Up there all Ben Robert Smith's mother in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm young, handsome, young Andrew Hasty is being bushed
Speaker 3: by ladies. I think he's going berserk about One Nation
Speaker 3: in part because of this male fragility issue that he's
Speaker 3: got around being called a trader. He loses his bottle
Speaker 3: and he's like, how dare you Pauline Hanson gang up
Speaker 3: on me with Gina about this stuff, like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to take you all out right, And.
Speaker 2: It's personal for him.
Speaker 3: We got up in the party room and talked about
Speaker 3: having to upgrade security because there are all these nutters
Speaker 3: on the loose now who are targeting him and his
Speaker 3: family and online threats.
Speaker 2: So it's really personal.
Speaker 3: And I think that he believes that supporters of One
Speaker 3: Nation are kind of drumming that up, and I think
Speaker 3: that's what explains.
Speaker 1: It still to come. Well the Tills new political party
Speaker 1: gamble payoff. Sam. Let's talk about the deal the government
Speaker 1: did with the Greens this week to get its negative
Speaker 1: gearing and CGT changes through the parliament. Is that the
Speaker 1: end of the debate, day of the text changes or
Speaker 1: just the beginning.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think it's the end. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's the beginning either.
Speaker 3: Like I think that they're open to doing more tweaks,
Speaker 3: and I think that they've made that clear. I think
Speaker 3: that there's a danger in all the color and movement
Speaker 3: and frothing that people don't really see what the government
Speaker 3: has done here. First of all, what they've done, which
Speaker 3: is really fascinating, is they've pretty much got an Australian
Speaker 3: consense on the idea that negative gearing had to go
Speaker 3: for existing properties. No one seems to be really arguing
Speaker 3: about that. That's actually a huge victory. That's a big change.
Speaker 3: It's something that's been debated for over a decade and
Speaker 3: they've got that through The CGT changes are messier and
Speaker 3: they're a bit more complicated. They've obviously made it more
Speaker 3: tricky by widening it out to take in shares. That's
Speaker 3: opened up a whole new sort of layer of losers.
Speaker 3: And you know, they keep having little things come up
Speaker 3: like the so called widows tax and stuff that they
Speaker 3: need to tweak. But the complete value of these changes
Speaker 3: is in the out years. But in the next four years,
Speaker 3: I think it raises about three point nine billion, about
Speaker 3: four billion dollars, and the reforms that they've put in,
Speaker 3: or the back downs and concessions whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it cost the budget about three seventy five million,
Speaker 3: you know, when you think about it, four billion dollars
Speaker 3: over four years, not nothing, not huge, but the benefit
Speaker 3: is the better footage.
Speaker 2: It puts the budget into.
Speaker 3: Forever three hundred and seventy five million dollars in concessions,
Speaker 3: possibly going to be some more. There is obviously, though
Speaker 3: a concern that the one of the concessions the Greens
Speaker 3: of God is to delay the NDAs changes and have
Speaker 3: this Senate inquiry, and there's been these reports in the
Speaker 3: AFAR this week that that could cost up to one
Speaker 3: point five billion dollars a month. Now as a bit
Speaker 3: of a rubbery figure, right, because it's basically saying we
Speaker 3: could save that if we did it faster or if
Speaker 3: we implement it on the current timeframe. That is true,
Speaker 3: but also I'm sure there'll be reforms and changes and
Speaker 3: things that will happen to that as well, so it
Speaker 3: might not be quite that much. But you know, I
Speaker 3: suppose that's the criticism is the Greens they got their
Speaker 3: committee to spend longer pouring over the NDAs stuff. But
Speaker 3: there's obviously a cost to the budget if they delay that.
Speaker 1: We also saw the Longer waited Till party launched this
Speaker 1: week with Zali Stegel and the Leger Spenders Community Strong Australia.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Will they be stronger
Speaker 1: or weak? It together? Without the Independent.
Speaker 3: At tag Okay, I can't even remember. It's too many words.
Speaker 3: It's so blamonge. It's like it would have been better
Speaker 3: if it was just independent or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just it feels. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a bit it's a bit ratsheet. Isn't it like community?
Speaker 2: I still can't remember it. Can you tell me to
Speaker 2: gain Community Australia. Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: I think it's terrible, That's what I think. And like,
Speaker 3: all it does is make everyone go this criticism, which
Speaker 3: I don't think is necessarily fair. But you know, half
Speaker 3: of them are in and half of them are out,
Speaker 3: and half of them are like, oh, we.
Speaker 2: Wish them the best, but we're not joining them.
Speaker 1: I guess the idea is to give an alternative to
Speaker 1: one nation for those who are disillusioned with the major parties.
Speaker 3: But it was a really bad name and a really
Speaker 3: kind of like unclear agenda.
Speaker 1: Is there room for an oshen like that? Do you
Speaker 1: think whether it's these guys or someone else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it wasn't run by people that she's the
Speaker 3: most boring name for a party on Earth. Maybe one
Speaker 3: Nation is really clear, right, and it's also one nation.
Speaker 2: Dare I say it mono culturalism.
Speaker 3: It's clear what they stand for and they've been around
Speaker 3: for twenty years. Community Stronger Australia is just it's terrible.
Speaker 1: Aside from the name. Do you think they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to cut through? Do you think there's a
Speaker 1: space for them in the current political landscape?
Speaker 3: No, because, Look, one of their strengths I think is
Speaker 3: that they're a whole bunch of different individuals, and I
Speaker 3: think that the strongest one of them is probably a
Speaker 3: Lego spender because she's got such an interest in tax
Speaker 3: and she's got a really I mean, like even if
Speaker 3: they were sort of more like the Liberal Democrats or
Speaker 3: something like.
Speaker 2: It's just it's so wishy washy.
Speaker 3: Look, I think they're great, don't get me wrong. Look,
Speaker 3: I think a Lego spender is great. I think a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of them are really interesting. But I don't
Speaker 3: think that this is smart because I just don't think
Speaker 3: it's very effective.
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, Sam, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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