WEBVTT - One Nation’s “monoculture” splits the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel James and you're listening to seven Am. Pauline

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<v Speaker 1>Hanson's call for Australia to become a monoculture was meant

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<v Speaker 1>to draw a line around national identity. Instead, it opened

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<v Speaker 1>up a new split inside the Liberal Party. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea left Opposition leader Angus Taylor looking bewildered, unable

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<v Speaker 1>to say clearly where he stood on multiculturalism. Andrew Hasty

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<v Speaker 1>took the opposite approach in navigating the challenge presented by

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<v Speaker 1>One Nation, launching a full assault on One Nation from

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<v Speaker 1>inside the coalition party room. And as the right fights

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<v Speaker 1>over Hanson's rise, a new party from two till independents

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to offer voters another way out. Today news

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com that AU political editor Samantha Maiden on a

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<v Speaker 1>week of conservative confusion, One Nation pressure and the TiAl

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<v Speaker 1>independence trying to turn disillusionment into votes. It's Saturday, Dune

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, Sam, Good to see you again. Pauline Hanson

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<v Speaker 1>spoke more about her infamous monocultural idea in a Senate

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<v Speaker 1>speech this week. Apparently Italian pastor and Chinese takeaway our

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<v Speaker 1>OK in the monoculture so eighties Icon's Paul Hogan and

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<v Speaker 1>Norman Gunston a personal favorite. Bring back Paul Hogan and

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<v Speaker 1>Norman Gunston.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the essential features.

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<v Speaker 3>Of austrain monoculture and there's nothing remotely exclusionary about them.

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<v Speaker 1>And the soccer us are actually an example of the monoculture,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it goes against everything that they actually stand for.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that clear things up for you, Sam, because they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really clear things up for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I'll tell you what I think and you might

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<v Speaker 3>not like it. I think that what Pauline Hanson is

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<v Speaker 3>doing right now is really politically diabolically smart because she's

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<v Speaker 3>come up with this word that dry progressive Australia, left

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<v Speaker 3>wing Australia, absolutely bonkers, and then everyone comes out of

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<v Speaker 3>their heidihold to debate it and discuss it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying you shouldn't do that, Like it's a free country,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it's legitimate to question our political leaders

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<v Speaker 3>and what they say. But the more people do that,

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<v Speaker 3>the more we're just everyone's talking about Pauline Hanson. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly where she wants to be. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>suppose if you go looking for coherence and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like a policy agenda that is completely logical, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to get sad and angry, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>media is just going to keep talking about Pauline.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she actually started. I think she first said

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<v Speaker 2>it in the press club, right, and then but then Angus.

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor gets asked about it, he doesn't have a proper answer.

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<v Speaker 3>On the same day, actually before Angus Taylor's press conference,

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew Hasty comes out, you know, jumping into the Coalition

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<v Speaker 3>party room with his war paint on and says, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd rather go out in a box than bend the

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<v Speaker 3>need of Pauline heads and ruh like we're lo tazanakt right,

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<v Speaker 3>and then elbows in Parliament accusing Angers of not being

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<v Speaker 3>as strong as the memph Canning who of course Andrew

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<v Speaker 3>Hasty and everybody's talking about Pauline, right, and that's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what she wants.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't the risk, though, Sam, that people are to get

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<v Speaker 1>bored of it? Though? I mean we're still two years

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<v Speaker 1>out from election. If we're all talking about Pauline like

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<v Speaker 1>we are constantly at the moment after the NPC address,

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<v Speaker 1>that will actually get bored over time by the repetition

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that they're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>maintain this level of support all the way to twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eight, right, So I think that they're hitting their

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<v Speaker 3>straps at the wrong moment in the political timeline in

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<v Speaker 3>Pauline had Hanson's favor, you know, like right now, they're

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<v Speaker 3>raking in the donations, right that's going to help them

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<v Speaker 3>build a really strong wat chist for you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>fight that they're going to have in the future. But

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<v Speaker 3>she's pulled out. I mean, I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 3>she would have paid on those fire the live trucks,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she's parking them out the front of Palmit

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<v Speaker 3>House and then she's having the blues with the journos.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's all very Trump esque.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm not sure that Wind is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>in her sales at the right moment. That doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>that like she wouldn't pick up seats at the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure she could and would and will, or that

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<v Speaker 3>she won't prove a terrible problem for the Liberals. But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that she's in the position to form government,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't think there's any poll that suggests that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think that when people run around going

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<v Speaker 3>Pauline Hanson is going to be the PM.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's rubbish.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what would be really fascinating is if you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if an election was held right now, she would emerge

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<v Speaker 3>as the new opposition.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and that would be wow, a big change.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the more accurate reflection of what's really

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<v Speaker 3>going on in Australian politics right now is it's more

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<v Speaker 3>closely aligned with the UK. So you're getting that thing

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<v Speaker 3>where everything's divided a third or third or third. The

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<v Speaker 3>Labor government is on a really low primary, the Conservatives

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<v Speaker 3>are completely shot smatherines and don't really know if there

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<v Speaker 3>are Arthur or Martha, and then you've got this resurgent

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<v Speaker 3>reform UK under the Nigel Farage batter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really the same thing in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is one of the things that this discussion

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<v Speaker 1>around monoculture has done, as you alluded to, Sam, has

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<v Speaker 1>really tie Anchus Taylor up in knots.

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<v Speaker 4>People coming to this country must adhere to these values.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what I want to see. We will discriminate.

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<v Speaker 2>Exist with multiculturalism is the well.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't quite know what you mean by that question,

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<v Speaker 4>but what I mean, I can tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean side step five questions earlier this week about

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<v Speaker 1>whether he supported multiculturalism. What did you make of that?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a hot mess. You me clear,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Taylor. Do you believe Australia should be a monoculture?

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<v Speaker 4>You explained to me watching mean By They said, there's

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<v Speaker 4>all these vague words running around. But I tell you what,

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<v Speaker 4>the one thing I want all of us to share

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<v Speaker 4>is those core Australian values.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem that they've got is that he's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>run all this anti immigration stuff. You know, like he's

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<v Speaker 3>trying to say the numbers are too high and the

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<v Speaker 3>quality is too low, whatever that means, right, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 3>how does he come at, Pauline, you do support multiculturalism?

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<v Speaker 1>Seems like I'm pretty stroke, but you wanted to find

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<v Speaker 1>it for me?

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<v Speaker 4>It's busy.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wonder if that's a problem for you that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't know.

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<v Speaker 4>We can have people from all over the world, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that is not a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me finish.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you've got me going here, so let me have

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<v Speaker 4>a Let me have a We can have people from

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<v Speaker 4>all over the world, of all races and religions in

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<v Speaker 4>this country, but they must share those core values.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much simpler it can be than that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really tricky problem for him, But the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that he is scared he doesn't know how to do

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<v Speaker 3>it kind of makes me wonder a little bit as

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<v Speaker 3>well as if he doesn't really believe it all. I

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<v Speaker 3>just wonder about that, you know, because I think that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Angus Taylor is an economic conservative. Is he

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<v Speaker 3>really been someone who's like a ranging anti immigration person

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<v Speaker 3>his whole career?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm not sure if he is.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm even a bit fascinated by the Hasty thing,

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<v Speaker 3>right because Hasty has run lots of anti immigration stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So when Hasty comes out and he's like, yeah, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>rather get taken out in a box, So I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>it again. I'm doing my ridiculous persons. When he's so bolshy,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, like mum the barricades, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>fight one nation at dawn.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he even came out and quoted Paul Keating

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<v Speaker 1>by saying that he wanted to do nation slowly, more

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<v Speaker 1>slowly I want to do There's a tremendously different approach

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<v Speaker 1>to his leader. So are we hearing anything about Angus

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor's leadership at the moment, given how bulshy Andrew Hasty

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<v Speaker 1>has been this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like I think that there's definitely I've spoken to

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<v Speaker 3>liberal MP's in the last week who aren't sure whether

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<v Speaker 3>Angus Taylor is going to go the distance. That said

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<v Speaker 3>at this stage, at least they've got the brains to say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to neck him now, why.

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<v Speaker 2>Would we do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I still think the kind of problem with Andrew Hasty

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<v Speaker 3>is that he's quite brittle, and he's got quite a

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<v Speaker 3>thin skin, and you know, like he gets really offended

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<v Speaker 3>when people criticize.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, and I think he has had a really tough time.

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<v Speaker 3>With the criticism that has erupted over the Ben Roberts

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<v Speaker 3>Smith stuff. Like I won't go into all the detail,

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<v Speaker 3>but like the short version is that you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>was obviously in the seas he didn't like what he

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<v Speaker 3>was hearing about Ben Robert Smith, and he tried to

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<v Speaker 3>support people that were complaining about it and gave evidence

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<v Speaker 3>in the defamation trial. And as a result of that,

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<v Speaker 3>he's been attacked by Ben Robert Smith's mum, by Geena

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Hart and by Pauline Hanson. The ladies are ganging.

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<v Speaker 1>Up there all Ben Robert Smith's mother in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm young, handsome, young Andrew Hasty is being bushed

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<v Speaker 3>by ladies. I think he's going berserk about One Nation

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<v Speaker 3>in part because of this male fragility issue that he's

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<v Speaker 3>got around being called a trader. He loses his bottle

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<v Speaker 3>and he's like, how dare you Pauline Hanson gang up

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<v Speaker 3>on me with Gina about this stuff, like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to take you all out right, And.

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<v Speaker 2>It's personal for him.

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<v Speaker 3>We got up in the party room and talked about

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<v Speaker 3>having to upgrade security because there are all these nutters

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<v Speaker 3>on the loose now who are targeting him and his

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<v Speaker 3>family and online threats.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really personal.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that he believes that supporters of One

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<v Speaker 3>Nation are kind of drumming that up, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's what explains.

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<v Speaker 1>It still to come. Well the Tills new political party

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<v Speaker 1>gamble payoff. Sam. Let's talk about the deal the government

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<v Speaker 1>did with the Greens this week to get its negative

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<v Speaker 1>gearing and CGT changes through the parliament. Is that the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the debate, day of the text changes or

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<v Speaker 1>just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't think it's the end. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the beginning either.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think that they're open to doing more tweaks,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that they've made that clear. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that there's a danger in all the color and movement

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<v Speaker 3>and frothing that people don't really see what the government

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<v Speaker 3>has done here. First of all, what they've done, which

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<v Speaker 3>is really fascinating, is they've pretty much got an Australian

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<v Speaker 3>consense on the idea that negative gearing had to go

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<v Speaker 3>for existing properties. No one seems to be really arguing

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<v Speaker 3>about that. That's actually a huge victory. That's a big change.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something that's been debated for over a decade and

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<v Speaker 3>they've got that through The CGT changes are messier and

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<v Speaker 3>they're a bit more complicated. They've obviously made it more

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<v Speaker 3>tricky by widening it out to take in shares. That's

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<v Speaker 3>opened up a whole new sort of layer of losers.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, they keep having little things come up

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<v Speaker 3>like the so called widows tax and stuff that they

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<v Speaker 3>need to tweak. But the complete value of these changes

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<v Speaker 3>is in the out years. But in the next four years,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it raises about three point nine billion, about

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<v Speaker 3>four billion dollars, and the reforms that they've put in,

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<v Speaker 3>or the back downs and concessions whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 3>call it cost the budget about three seventy five million,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when you think about it, four billion dollars

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<v Speaker 3>over four years, not nothing, not huge, but the benefit

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<v Speaker 3>is the better footage.

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<v Speaker 2>It puts the budget into.

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<v Speaker 3>Forever three hundred and seventy five million dollars in concessions,

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<v Speaker 3>possibly going to be some more. There is obviously, though

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<v Speaker 3>a concern that the one of the concessions the Greens

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<v Speaker 3>of God is to delay the NDAs changes and have

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<v Speaker 3>this Senate inquiry, and there's been these reports in the

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<v Speaker 3>AFAR this week that that could cost up to one

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<v Speaker 3>point five billion dollars a month. Now as a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a rubbery figure, right, because it's basically saying we

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<v Speaker 3>could save that if we did it faster or if

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<v Speaker 3>we implement it on the current timeframe. That is true,

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<v Speaker 3>but also I'm sure there'll be reforms and changes and

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<v Speaker 3>things that will happen to that as well, so it

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<v Speaker 3>might not be quite that much. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>suppose that's the criticism is the Greens they got their

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<v Speaker 3>committee to spend longer pouring over the NDAs stuff. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's obviously a cost to the budget if they delay that.

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<v Speaker 1>We also saw the Longer waited Till party launched this

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<v Speaker 1>week with Zali Stegel and the Leger Spenders Community Strong Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that? Will they be stronger

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<v Speaker 1>or weak? It together? Without the Independent.

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<v Speaker 3>At tag Okay, I can't even remember. It's too many words.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so blamonge. It's like it would have been better

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<v Speaker 3>if it was just independent or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's just it feels. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit it's a bit ratsheet. Isn't it like community?

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<v Speaker 2>I still can't remember it. Can you tell me to

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<v Speaker 2>gain Community Australia. Yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's terrible, That's what I think. And like,

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<v Speaker 3>all it does is make everyone go this criticism, which

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think is necessarily fair. But you know, half

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<v Speaker 3>of them are in and half of them are out,

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<v Speaker 3>and half of them are like, oh, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Wish them the best, but we're not joining them.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the idea is to give an alternative to

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<v Speaker 1>one nation for those who are disillusioned with the major parties.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was a really bad name and a really

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like unclear agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there room for an oshen like that? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think whether it's these guys or someone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if it wasn't run by people that she's the

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<v Speaker 3>most boring name for a party on Earth. Maybe one

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<v Speaker 3>Nation is really clear, right, and it's also one nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Dare I say it mono culturalism.

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<v Speaker 3>It's clear what they stand for and they've been around

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty years. Community Stronger Australia is just it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Aside from the name. Do you think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to cut through? Do you think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>space for them in the current political landscape?

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<v Speaker 3>No, because, Look, one of their strengths I think is

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<v Speaker 3>that they're a whole bunch of different individuals, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that the strongest one of them is probably a

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<v Speaker 3>Lego spender because she's got such an interest in tax

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<v Speaker 3>and she's got a really I mean, like even if

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<v Speaker 3>they were sort of more like the Liberal Democrats or

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<v Speaker 3>something like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's so wishy washy.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think they're great, don't get me wrong. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a Lego spender is great. I think a

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<v Speaker 3>whole bunch of them are really interesting. But I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that this is smart because I just don't think

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<v Speaker 3>it's very effective.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, on that note, Sam, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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