Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2: Thank you, gentlemen, good evening, welcome to the program. Here's
Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Kredline. Doctor g Hard that's
Speaker 2: the name given to the Australian man who joined ISIS
Speaker 2: long thought dead. Well apparently he's alive, potentially set to
Speaker 2: leave an Iraqi prison and return here to Australia. Plenty
Speaker 2: to get across with this one, including the risk that
Speaker 2: such a prominent figure will pose if he returns. The
Speaker 2: worst decade for living standards since World War One, at
Speaker 2: least that's how we're tracking as GDP growth per person
Speaker 2: remains near stagnant, no one to trust in labor, and
Speaker 2: cost of living is below a quarter of a percent
Speaker 2: in a recent poll. Even Union Luminary Labour's Bill Kelty
Speaker 2: is speaking out. Plus we'll go live to Glasgow Victorian's
Speaker 2: weather laughing stock Glaswegians standing there with the multi million
Speaker 2: dollar mock checks, mocking us as our incompetence, state government
Speaker 2: funds their party and Commonwealth games and the usual scripted
Speaker 2: lines today from Labor about returning ISIS linked Australians, But
Speaker 2: no one's buying that anymore.
Speaker 3: ISIS is a brutal organization and anyone who has been
Speaker 3: part of it and has been offshore as part of
Speaker 3: it should not be coming back to our country.
Speaker 2: We will stay with this issue because it was always
Speaker 2: going to happen like this, wasn't it. In fact, this
Speaker 2: is probably how they've been planning it all the way along. First,
Speaker 2: you know, rebrand the Islamic State women as dumb, naive
Speaker 2: sort of brides, make everyone fick their benign canvas, sympathy
Speaker 2: for them and their children, the so called cubs of
Speaker 2: the Caliphate. And even though eventually they've alleged crimes will
Speaker 2: be revealed, charges of slavery and terror offenses, by then
Speaker 2: too late, they'll already be back in our country. Once
Speaker 2: saw the women in a back well, then it's going
Speaker 2: to be time for the men. And with the men,
Speaker 2: a similar sympathy soft cell will be deployed. They'll start
Speaker 2: with the doctor. He's not really a terrorist, is just
Speaker 2: a dumb idiot who was duped into going abroad and
Speaker 2: ended up working with ISIS. That'll be the line. That
Speaker 2: is some sort of misguided humanitarian And once he's back
Speaker 2: in the country, more men will be on the way.
Speaker 2: When asked the Prime Minister. Well, he'll just repeat this
Speaker 2: little mantra that it's nothing at all to do with
Speaker 2: him or his government that these men, he'll say, won't
Speaker 2: be given any assistance or what utter clap trap that is,
Speaker 2: because there's no greater assistance than any government can give
Speaker 2: these Islamic state types than a passport without which they
Speaker 2: could not board a plane to Australia. Already this morning
Speaker 2: Labour was out with their spin.
Speaker 4: We do not facilitate are the return of ISIS fighters
Speaker 4: or bridees. We have no sympathy for anyone who's participated
Speaker 4: in ISIS.
Speaker 5: We won't be providing any assistance to this individual or
Speaker 5: that cohort, just as we haven't provided assistance to women
Speaker 5: and children who've returned recently.
Speaker 6: For temporary exclusion orders. I have a high threshold under
Speaker 6: the low We have to operate under the Constitution and
Speaker 6: the High Court, and the Minister the minute he receives
Speaker 6: advice to issue such an order from the security agencies,
Speaker 6: has done so and will do so.
Speaker 2: This is all just blatherer from the government. Let's remind
Speaker 2: ourselves who this doctor g Hard really is. Here he
Speaker 2: is before he went off and joined Islamic State and
Speaker 2: then images later circulated by the terror group as part
Speaker 2: of their propaganda campaign. Forty one year old Perth born
Speaker 2: man Tarek Kamler, an Australian trained medical doctor, a pediatrician,
Speaker 2: previously thought to being killed in Raka. This is a
Speaker 2: city in Syria's north close to the Turkish border, doctor
Speaker 2: g Hard where we now know he's alive, locked up
Speaker 2: in an Iraqi prison and, as reported today in an
Speaker 2: exclusive by The Australian, currently owned thegoing interrogation by counter
Speaker 2: terrorism authorities now. When asked for comment about these revelations
Speaker 2: involving doctor g Hart, incredibly, Tony Burk's Home Affairs department
Speaker 2: declined to provide any media comment, but the Iraqi officials, well,
Speaker 2: they were more forthcoming, telling reporter Mohammad al Pharez that
Speaker 2: potential repatriation of Tarak Kamla back to Australia remained I
Speaker 2: quote an open yet conditional pathway, confirming developments this is
Speaker 2: the iraqis again not something our own Home Affairs department
Speaker 2: would do. Kie officials. A Supreme Judicial Council of Iraq
Speaker 2: issued a statement regarding its investigation into him. They call
Speaker 2: him Abo Yusuf l Astrali this is an alias that
Speaker 2: he was using overseas, saying that he was arrested in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when he was moving through the front lines
Speaker 2: of the then Caliphate. According to evidence provided to courts
Speaker 2: to accord in Baghdad, doctor Jihad did not die in
Speaker 2: the final Raka siege as previously thought. Instead, he retreated
Speaker 2: with hard core remnants of Islamic State, and yes, their
Speaker 2: statement uses that term hardcore through various territories it held
Speaker 2: until he was captured, says the Iraqis. During this time
Speaker 2: he was working as a field doctor. Now presumably as
Speaker 2: field medics do. This meant he was patching up terrorist
Speaker 2: fighters so that they could resume their battlefield brutality. Now,
Speaker 2: the report on the front page of The Australian makes
Speaker 2: for shocking reading. Shocking, but not surprising, at least not
Speaker 2: surprising to me. I have known all about these men
Speaker 2: and women for many years, and I'm privy to a
Speaker 2: whole lot of intelligence about them that I can never
Speaker 2: make public. Suffice to say, individuals that joined Islamic State
Speaker 2: ended up some of the most inhumane and depraved people
Speaker 2: on the face of the earth. What they did, what
Speaker 2: they saw what they allowed to happen, all of it,
Speaker 2: the worst of the worst. Here is comments last night
Speaker 2: regarding this week's bail of an ISIS linked woman by
Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
Speaker 7: Too many people are in out of misguided politeness. Seemed
Speaker 7: to think that you cannot call out Islamism and you
Speaker 7: cannot call all out Islamists.
Speaker 1: Now the truth is everyone.
Speaker 7: In Australia, to use a phrase I've used a lot,
Speaker 7: has got to join Team Australia now.
Speaker 2: Today as we know, it's the women and the children
Speaker 2: who have returned here. Soon it'll be the men mark
Speaker 2: my words. As revealed via the newspaper, some thirteen Australian
Speaker 2: men suspected of being is As fighters are already under
Speaker 2: investigation by officials to determine whether or not they work combatants.
Speaker 2: Now that's to say thirteen are being investigated by the
Speaker 2: Raticis alone. Now is Australia involved here? Is our government
Speaker 2: or are our officials any part of this? Are they
Speaker 2: across it? Are they being briefed? Again? No comment from
Speaker 2: Home Affairs. But knowing what I do about how Canberra works,
Speaker 2: not for one minute do I believe that Australian authorities
Speaker 2: are out of the loop on any of this. Not
Speaker 2: for one minute do I think that this front page
Speaker 2: of the newspaper today was a surprise to Tony Burke
Speaker 2: or his Home Affairs department. I just don't buy that.
Speaker 2: I suspect that's precisely why Home Affairs refused to make
Speaker 2: a comment.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: Doctor g Hard studied medicine at the University of Adelaide.
Speaker 2: He was known as a playboy, says the reports today,
Speaker 2: A sleeze ball was one quote. It's also revealed that
Speaker 2: he took multiple wives while overseas, including we're told a
Speaker 2: convert to Islam from the United States quote an extremist.
Speaker 2: Now incredibly reports the Australian doctor g Hard's children are
Speaker 2: eligible for repatriation to Australia. And it's this critical line
Speaker 2: in the reports today that I want to read to
Speaker 2: you tonight. It says born in Perth in nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: five to a Palestinian father and a German Catholic convert mother,
Speaker 2: Kamler was raised as an only child, meaning that unless
Speaker 2: someone can tell me otherwise, unless he's got some sort
Speaker 2: of other citizenship claim via his foreign born father or mother,
Speaker 2: than miss doctor g Hard Tarek Kamla remains an Australian
Speaker 2: citizen and that is shocking, isn't it. As a country
Speaker 2: we owe this man nothing, absolutely nothing, And so if
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister says we can't stop him coming back
Speaker 2: because he's an Australian citizen, then surely we change the
Speaker 2: law or we deploy an exclusion order to keep him
Speaker 2: locked up in Iraq or whatever other avenue we need
Speaker 2: to keep this man out of our country. Here is
Speaker 2: former soldier our coalition MP Field Thompson and also One
Speaker 2: Nation's Barnaby Joyce demanding action.
Speaker 9: There are temporary exclusion orders which the Coalition put in
Speaker 9: place in twenty nineteen that can prevent this person and
Speaker 9: others like what should have happened with those so called
Speaker 9: Isis brides.
Speaker 10: And if they don't have the laws, then whistles down
Speaker 10: back down to Canberra and we can change the laws,
Speaker 10: so you can say we can stop them.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 2: What can't happen, what must not happen, is it we
Speaker 2: let Albaneze and Burg get away with this game that
Speaker 2: there's nothing they can do to keep these people out.
Speaker 11: Here.
Speaker 2: Beyond this, the women were their test case, but it
Speaker 2: was always about the men as well. So now it starts.
Speaker 2: We won't help them, says the PM. We won't give
Speaker 2: them any assistance.
Speaker 4: We are not repatriating people and we're not providing assistance.
Speaker 4: The government is providing no support for the creation of
Speaker 4: these people, and.
Speaker 2: Yet they come back. Here is Opposition leader Angus Taylor today.
Speaker 3: We've seen an ISIS terrorist who's living offshore wanting to
Speaker 3: come back to our country. The Labor Party needs to
Speaker 3: commit to preventing that from happening. They have many leavers
Speaker 3: at their disposal. They can ensure that this person does
Speaker 3: not get a passport. They can use temporary exclusion orders.
Speaker 2: It's not up to just the Opposition now to fight this.
Speaker 2: Every Australian's got to call out this lie that there's
Speaker 2: nothing that Labor can do to keep these men out.
Speaker 2: There is and they must do it because, trust me,
Speaker 2: you saw what happened at Bondai. It's bad enough that
Speaker 2: the women are back, you do not want to see
Speaker 2: the men these men back here in our country as well.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get the headlines now. From Canberraskyi's political
Speaker 2: reporter Aspen.
Speaker 12: Bloomfield, thirteen Australian men linked to the Islamic state are
Speaker 12: hoping to return home, including Perth born pediatrician and Islamic
Speaker 12: State operative Tourek Kamla, presumed dead by family and authorities
Speaker 12: in twenty seventeen, the Australian reports Iraqi Supreme Court documents
Speaker 12: show he is being interrogated in a Baghdad prison. The
Speaker 12: Opposition is calling on the Department of Home Affairs to
Speaker 12: block his return.
Speaker 3: The Labor Party needs to commit to preventing that from happening.
Speaker 3: They have many leavers at their disposal. I can ensure
Speaker 3: that this person does not get a passport.
Speaker 12: In Adelaide, several groups are pushing for a gas export
Speaker 12: tax and tied to gambling regulation. Ahead of Labour's fiftieth
Speaker 12: national conference. One union wants to see the Union Jack
Speaker 12: and colonial statues removed from public life.
Speaker 5: Are you up for changing the flat I'm here in
Speaker 5: Adelaide for Labour's national conference.
Speaker 2: Would you be up for changing it? Claire? Look, and
Speaker 2: that's just not what the conference is about. Yes or no?
Speaker 2: Claire again?
Speaker 5: Nat, Sorry, it's not something that I've had a moment
Speaker 5: to think about.
Speaker 2: Yes or no, I'm changing the Union Jack.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, as Housing Minister, I don't spend my
Speaker 5: time thinking about the national flag.
Speaker 2: I've been in the paper today. You've got a head start,
Speaker 2: yes or.
Speaker 5: No, genuinely haven't given it a second's thought.
Speaker 12: The Liberal Party, attempting to see off a challenge from
Speaker 12: one nation, has unveiled its economic plan.
Speaker 13: While Labor are busy talking about themselves at their conference,
Speaker 13: Angus Taylor and I are talking to small businesses and families.
Speaker 13: We're talking to ordinary Australians every day, Australians about the
Speaker 13: issues that are important to them, and that's what's outlining
Speaker 13: this plan.
Speaker 12: The document includes an instant asset right off and tax
Speaker 12: back guarantee.
Speaker 2: Right off the back of all of that, there was
Speaker 2: a poll yesterday showing one Nature was just one point
Speaker 2: off Labor when it came to dealing with cost of living. Now,
Speaker 2: it's also reported today that we're heading for the weakest
Speaker 2: decade in living standards since World War One. GDP growth
Speaker 2: per person has ritten only four percent so far, which
Speaker 2: puts us on track, as I say, for the weakest
Speaker 2: period over one in one hundred years. Joining me now
Speaker 2: Skinny's reporter Caroenn Marcus and Skyney's contributor and a woman
Speaker 2: who did a mighty job while I was on leave.
Speaker 2: Jamie Rodgers, great to see you both. I'll get into
Speaker 2: this cost of living stuff, but to both of you
Speaker 2: just quickly, it's not that hard to give an answer
Speaker 2: for any senior politician. Jamie Rodgers about the flag, Peter.
Speaker 14: I watched that and I was cringing because I just said,
Speaker 14: answer the question.
Speaker 2: It's either yes or no.
Speaker 15: Do you want to remove the union?
Speaker 14: Jack, And let's not forget this is also the government
Speaker 14: that is selling off our defense assets, so it doesn't
Speaker 14: really say a lot about how they feel about Australia.
Speaker 15: Caro.
Speaker 2: Like me, you've just been overseas. Everywhere I went in
Speaker 2: the country I was in, I saw them proudly fly
Speaker 2: there fag and we've got this cringe about our history
Speaker 2: and our flag. We've got a PM in front of
Speaker 2: three of them, and now we've got a union that
Speaker 2: wants to dump but we've got Cricket Australia who was
Speaker 2: scared of even seeing the anthem on our national day.
Speaker 2: I me an artistic, it's humiliating.
Speaker 15: It is, it's pathetic.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 11: I was just in Singapore and you're right, it's actually
Speaker 11: going to be their national day next month and there
Speaker 11: were flags everywhere and it was only the Singapore flag.
Speaker 11: No one was flying other flags. Maybe not allowed to that,
Speaker 11: but I don't think people want to. I don't think
Speaker 11: people want to. We only have this shame, this guilt
Speaker 11: around patriotism here in Australia. And the fact is, if clara'
Speaker 11: neil didn't want to change the flag, I think she
Speaker 11: would just say it. I think she would say I
Speaker 11: don't want to. But I think her silence over at
Speaker 11: her refusal to answer the question speaks volumes she is
Speaker 11: open to changing it. And that's why she didn't want
Speaker 11: to admit it, because it would not be.
Speaker 15: A popular answer. But it right her answer.
Speaker 2: Let's go to those decline, the standards, the decline in
Speaker 2: our living standard, the numbers out today. You've got a
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank governor telling us how bad it is, when
Speaker 2: we know how bad it is. But you've even got
Speaker 2: a labor stallward in an EXACTU Boss Bill Kelty putting
Speaker 2: in a submission to a parliamentary inquiry and he says, quote,
Speaker 2: something is really wrong with our economy. He's worried that
Speaker 2: living standards are falling at the same time that commodity
Speaker 2: prices are booming. Now. When Kelty says that labor can't
Speaker 2: bury their head in the sand anymore, can they?
Speaker 14: Jamie, No, you would hope that the government does stop
Speaker 14: and listen, because Peter, we have a fundamental economic problem
Speaker 14: in this country. The fact that we're about to have
Speaker 14: the worst decade in living standards in more than a
Speaker 14: century says it all. And this is off the back
Speaker 14: of that OECD report that came out earlier this month
Speaker 14: as well that said our living standards and our real
Speaker 14: wages had all gone back by five percent over the
Speaker 14: past five years in comparison to other nations where they
Speaker 14: had risen by five percent. We need to start seeing
Speaker 14: and taking this really seriously because businesses are closing, families
Speaker 14: are tightening their belts. We need Australia to be a
Speaker 14: place where you invest. Businesses want to expand they want
Speaker 14: to come and open here, and they want to hire
Speaker 14: people and increase their productivity. And unfortunately we've got new
Speaker 14: taxes in place that is making that incredibly difficult and
Speaker 14: making us not a very enticing place to come.
Speaker 15: And do some business.
Speaker 14: And that's exactly what we need here is to try
Speaker 14: and entice more and more people and RBA will the
Speaker 14: former RBA governor in Philip Low, and he said that
Speaker 14: the business investment hasn't kept pace with population growth. I
Speaker 14: think that also says a lot. This government has a
Speaker 14: lot to answer for, and I really hope that they're
Speaker 14: listening to a labor store wark like Bill Kelty so
Speaker 14: that we can get some serious economic changes.
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to their big promises on housing, because
Speaker 2: it was a centerpiece of their election campaign. I suspect
Speaker 2: that they'll want it to be something they can put
Speaker 2: up in lights at the next election. They put ten
Speaker 2: billion dollars on the table for housing. They've had a
Speaker 2: whole lot of promises. But revelations today Caro that Treasury
Speaker 2: warned them nine months before they put together the scheme
Speaker 2: that the target they had was just not achievable, right,
Speaker 2: just not achievable. And as of April this year, well
Speaker 2: Treasury is right. They've met less than five percent of
Speaker 2: their target. The target was forty thousand YEW homes. Less
Speaker 2: than five percent. That's shocking. And then in the reports
Speaker 2: there are various reports about this today there's been audits
Speaker 2: to the staff and the turnover and that's making things worse.
Speaker 2: There was a brew haha with the CEO, and you
Speaker 2: know all of this, but I still can't get past
Speaker 2: ten billion dollars and there are only five percent in
Speaker 2: to a target. This is claroneal again, I might.
Speaker 15: Add, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 11: The person who can't even answer a simple question about
Speaker 11: whether she supports the flag. I mean, it's not hard
Speaker 11: to see that she can't oversee this very important portfolio
Speaker 11: and Housing Australia. I mean, it's closer to four percent
Speaker 11: actually what they've delivered, and this is just three years
Speaker 11: away that they're supposed to have forty thousand social and
Speaker 11: affordable housing thing that projects delivered homes for people.
Speaker 15: They're down.
Speaker 11: It's about fourteen hundred and it's three years off. But
Speaker 11: you know they've had they've been plagued.
Speaker 15: With all sorts of internal issues.
Speaker 11: Also out today a report that they've axed an independent
Speaker 11: committee which was overseeing the decisions that they were making,
Speaker 11: so there's basically no one to make sure that the
Speaker 11: spending in this.
Speaker 15: In this agency is defensible.
Speaker 11: That they now are marking their own homeworks, so it's
Speaker 11: bound to get even worse. They said in Senate estimates
Speaker 11: last year that they'd laid off a quarter more than
Speaker 11: a quarter of their staff. So I fear like blind
Speaker 11: Freddy can see this is never going to happen. But
Speaker 11: the government's going to stick to it because it's its
Speaker 11: main promise and we're just going to see more waste
Speaker 11: and nothing delivered.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe they're paying the Ghetto tax. I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: that's the problem. The Gatto tax on construction out of
Speaker 2: Victoria has gone national. Just just listen to this. This
Speaker 2: is nine journalist Nick McKenzie on radio this morning about
Speaker 2: Victoria's so called Gatto tax.
Speaker 8: Gato's working for a hell of a lot of builders
Speaker 8: in the high rise housing apartment market, effectively adding what
Speaker 8: we call people in the industry and what we're calling
Speaker 8: the article a Gatto tax.
Speaker 2: Now this is millions and millions of dollars added onto
Speaker 2: the cost of building, allegedly related to organized crime, a
Speaker 2: whole lot of stuff in relation to the CFMU and
Speaker 2: fifteen billion dollars of taxpayers money, Jamie and Victoria that's
Speaker 2: gone missing, and yet the Premiere just Interallen is still
Speaker 2: refusing to have a Royal Commission.
Speaker 14: Speaks volumes, doesn't it, Peter. And this news of the
Speaker 14: Gatto tax has come out just months after Premier Justinter
Speaker 14: Allen had said that she had managed to remove the
Speaker 14: corruption and gangland involvement within the construction industry, and now
Speaker 14: this story has come out, but it is also off
Speaker 14: the back of her push to build all of these
Speaker 14: apartments as a way to solve the cost of living
Speaker 14: and housing crisis in Victoria. But when you hear things
Speaker 14: like apartment buildings that the plastering costs are adding around
Speaker 14: that six percent more to these buildings, and a CFMAU
Speaker 14: boss had said that ninety percent of the plastering invoices
Speaker 14: were around some sort of alleged corruption.
Speaker 15: It just shows.
Speaker 14: Though that the just Into Allen has fundamentally failed Victorians
Speaker 14: to be able to remove this alleged gangland involvement within
Speaker 14: the construction industry and ultimately Peter, it's Victorians that are
Speaker 14: paying the price for this. They are now paying the
Speaker 14: gas tax on buildings and apartments that they're trying to
Speaker 14: buy into. So it's Victorians yet again, that being the
Speaker 14: ones that are impacted.
Speaker 2: And I will say to the rest of the country
Speaker 2: Victoria fails, unfortunately you'll be bailing them out. So this
Speaker 2: is a fight. I think that every Australian, fair minded
Speaker 2: Australian's got to get behind in terms of turfing out
Speaker 2: a bad government. Come though, Vember Caro. The ALP conference
Speaker 2: kicks off tomorrow. This one's interesting, right, So the Services
Speaker 2: Union is threatening a brawl on the floor of the
Speaker 2: conference if changes aren't made to the national platform and
Speaker 2: remind people it's binding on labor MPs because they don't
Speaker 2: want to see private companies who get government contracts make
Speaker 2: any profit from services to support rape and domestic violence victims.
Speaker 2: You know somehow that you can't make a profit out
Speaker 2: of a government contract. Well, I'll tell you what. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of private companies in childcare. They make massive profits.
Speaker 2: We spend sixteen billion dollars per annu and of course
Speaker 2: we've got tax payers now funding the pay increases of
Speaker 2: unionized staff in private childcare centers. So if you don't
Speaker 2: want it for DV and rape services, how about we
Speaker 2: not make profit over here in childcare, or better yet,
Speaker 2: how about we give them money to the parents to
Speaker 2: put the childcare in place that best suits their family.
Speaker 11: I know it is not a novel idea and something
Speaker 11: that I've been arguing for as a parent of young
Speaker 11: children as well someone who's used childcare for when I'm
Speaker 11: at work part time.
Speaker 2: But what.
Speaker 11: It is inconsistent because why stop at vulnerable rape and
Speaker 11: domestic violence victims. You could argue the same for children
Speaker 11: elderly all sorts of areas where there are private sector,
Speaker 11: private businesses involved. In this case, one of the biggest
Speaker 11: unions in the country, the Australian Services Union, is threatening.
Speaker 15: To have this very public rule on the floor of.
Speaker 11: The National Conference on Saturday when this issue is going
Speaker 11: to be debated, if they don't get their way, So
Speaker 11: they're basically holding the Labor Party to ransom and saying
Speaker 11: we are not we need this to be only nonprofit
Speaker 11: or government government companies that are offering government agencies offering
Speaker 11: these services or else or else. We are going to
Speaker 11: have a tantrum And is it only little wonder because
Speaker 11: they're more likely to be union members of course in
Speaker 11: these areas, so of course they're going to want to
Speaker 11: have control over it.
Speaker 15: So we'll see what happens on the weekend.
Speaker 2: I would actually take them more seriously, ladies, if Labor
Speaker 2: made a decision on Saturday where they debate this motion
Speaker 2: to keep men who pretend they are women, out of
Speaker 2: rapes and is, out of women's prisons, out of women's spaces,
Speaker 2: because all of this is about protecting women and they
Speaker 2: can't even define anymore what a woman is. I will
Speaker 2: leave it there. Thank you again, Jamie for your great
Speaker 2: work the last few weeks. All right, let's go back
Speaker 2: to that story on the front pay to the Australian
Speaker 2: today the revelations about one of Australia's most notorious Islamic
Speaker 2: state fighters, Perth born pediatrician Tarik A Kamala, dubbed Doctor Jihad,
Speaker 2: widely presumed to have been killed in Syria a few
Speaker 2: years ago, in fact now alive in Iraqi prison. The
Speaker 2: story broke late last night. It's from a journalist at
Speaker 2: the OS. His name is Mohammed Alpharees.
Speaker 16: Tarrek Kamla, the notorious playboy turned Isis doctor did not
Speaker 16: perish in the ruins of Rucca, as it was speculated.
Speaker 16: An updating to the investigation of Kamla, also known as
Speaker 16: Other User for Australia or Doctor Jihad, was published by
Speaker 16: Iraq's Supreme Judicial Council late last month, which says that
Speaker 16: he was apprehended while shifting through the final front lines
Speaker 16: of the caliphon The core brief outlines his capture, his
Speaker 16: role within the Islamic States Health Department, and his final
Speaker 16: desperate flight from the crumbling Calipha. Here is why this
Speaker 16: matters for Australians right now, as the Albanza government faced
Speaker 16: is mounting heat over the return of a so called
Speaker 16: ISUS brides, doctor j Had is among thirteen Australian operatives
Speaker 16: who remain in Iraqi custody. Now those men are being
Speaker 16: questioned over their involvement with ISIS, and they could be
Speaker 16: freed in due time if their deemed as noncombattled.
Speaker 2: Right all credit to Muhammad Air and The Australian from
Speaker 2: breaking this story. I'll bring in our former Australian AFP
Speaker 2: Detective Superintendent David Craig. David, welcome again. I've already spoken
Speaker 2: to you this week about the ISIS bride linked woman.
Speaker 2: I don't like the term, but that's the shorthand tonight
Speaker 2: here was given bail earlier this week. I had to
Speaker 2: get you back on with these revelations. I'm not surprised
Speaker 2: by any of this, Sadly I'm not. There's already talked
Speaker 2: from Iraqi officials about this individual. Returning to Australia. Home
Speaker 2: Affairs went to ground today. The department declined to give
Speaker 2: any comment to the media. We heard nothing from Tony Burke,
Speaker 2: we heard nothing from the Prime Minister. They just threw
Speaker 2: out a whole lot of low level ministers with that
Speaker 2: old line that they won't do anything to assist and
Speaker 2: we're not going to repatriate these individuals. But come on,
Speaker 2: the games up.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: We know how the women got back, we know exactly
Speaker 2: what happened here. This feels very orchestrated to me now, David.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's very very alarming. This is no longer
Speaker 1: a theoretical thing that the government can try and hide
Speaker 1: behind and say that other people coming back were just
Speaker 1: brides or under the direction of these is proven Islamic
Speaker 1: fighters that are coming back to Australia, and there's urgent
Speaker 1: action needs to happen by this government. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: any leadership from today at all. I know that there's
Speaker 1: people have contacted me. There's a lot of people very
Speaker 1: worried about this because apart from doctor Ghard himself, who
Speaker 1: Wally says he was working in medical field, was also
Speaker 1: carrying in AK forty seven and repairing helping to heal
Speaker 1: Islamic fighters that could then go out and then kill
Speaker 1: our own soldiers. I mean, we need to be taking
Speaker 1: a forward leaning posture with this, Peter, the government needs
Speaker 1: to be up to this. This isn't a time for politics.
Speaker 1: This is a time for national security. And I don't
Speaker 1: know that this government's got the heart or the nous
Speaker 1: to do it, and jeez, I hope they have.
Speaker 2: When I worked to the Howard government, they brought back
Speaker 2: the Parliament to amend a piece of legislation and all
Speaker 2: sides of Parliament came back, or you know, people of
Speaker 2: political persuasion came back within twenty four hours and we
Speaker 2: fixed something post nine to eleven. I remember in the
Speaker 2: Abbit era we had some similar, very tough legislation. I
Speaker 2: remember briefing Bill Shorten's office. I remember my boss and
Speaker 2: Bill Shorten sitting down to agree that it was in
Speaker 2: the absolute national interest that this passed through the Parliament
Speaker 2: absolutely as intended and quickly. So governments can do it,
Speaker 2: oppositions can do it. The opposition One Nation and everybody
Speaker 2: else has said today that they stand ready to help
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister wants us to believe that he hasn't
Speaker 2: got the laws he needs. But you and I both
Speaker 2: know that the Passport Act gives him powers and he's
Speaker 2: also got exclusion orders. Give us a sense right now
Speaker 2: of what he's got on his desk that he could
Speaker 2: use to keep this man out.
Speaker 1: Okay, well not even just this man, Peter, pardon me.
Speaker 17: Okay.
Speaker 1: The first thing the government needs to be doing is
Speaker 1: using these temporary exclusion orders. Now, I've seen Tony Burke
Speaker 1: say that, oh, there'll be a constitutional challenge, or that
Speaker 1: the High Court won't like it, or the fact is
Speaker 1: no High Court has actually tested the validity constitutional validity
Speaker 1: of temporary exclusion orders, So that's a nonsense. He's scared
Speaker 1: of something that doesn't actually exist. If this is going
Speaker 1: to push our laws to the High Court, then this
Speaker 1: is the case to do it on. We are trying
Speaker 1: to stop foreign terrorist fighters coming into Australia, So the
Speaker 1: first thing is temper exclusion orders, and the Parliament should
Speaker 1: be recalled to make sure that these these temporary exclusion
Speaker 1: orders and control orders for when they do get back
Speaker 1: are up to the task for ex ISIS fighters in Australia.
Speaker 1: Why can't we recall Parliament and have that discussion. This
Speaker 1: is very important. This is a bipartisan issue.
Speaker 2: I noticed in the report David that his father was
Speaker 2: a Palestinian born Australian. I presume he still lives in Australia.
Speaker 2: The father, the mother was Dutch born. Now, if I
Speaker 2: remember rightly, you didn't have to take up the citizenship
Speaker 2: of another country to lose your Australian citizenship. You just
Speaker 2: had to have the ability to do it. Now, presumably
Speaker 2: in the case of the Dutch mother, at least he
Speaker 2: could avail himself of Dutch citizenship. Can we, under the
Speaker 2: current laws cancel his ability to return to Australia knowing
Speaker 2: that because of his mother, potentially his father, he will
Speaker 2: not be rendered stateless.
Speaker 1: Look, I think that's a real possibility, Petter. I know
Speaker 1: the High Court has looked very carefully at removing citizenship
Speaker 1: as punitive measure. But if there is an alternative place,
Speaker 1: alternative nation state where they can go, I think it
Speaker 1: might be looked unfavorably. Now I'm not a High Court
Speaker 1: constitutional expert, that's for sure, But we need to be
Speaker 1: doing everything. We need our government to be standing up
Speaker 1: and leading this charge. Well, the first thing we need
Speaker 1: to do is make sure, Okay, if these people are
Speaker 1: going to come back. We need to be able to
Speaker 1: prosecute them. We need AFP officers in Iraq. We need
Speaker 1: to get battlefield evidence. We need as much admissible evidence
Speaker 1: as we can so if they do come back they
Speaker 1: can be prosecuted. We need temporary exclusion orders to stagger
Speaker 1: the return of these people. We can't have them turning
Speaker 1: up when they want. We want them to turn up
Speaker 1: here when we want. We want control over that. We
Speaker 1: need to stagger the return so we can control the
Speaker 1: resources and administer the justice needed, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: for what they're responsible for this And the greatest danger Peter,
Speaker 1: of course, is if these people do get back into Australia.
Speaker 1: It's not just the harm that they may do. It's
Speaker 1: the propaganda value that they've got, and that the transference
Speaker 1: that hatred and that ideology to the next generation of Australians.
Speaker 1: This is a legacy that will haunt this government for
Speaker 1: a very long time, and it should because we are
Speaker 1: going to have a terror legacy here for the next
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years at least. If these people are
Speaker 1: allowed back in without being subject to very strict control
Speaker 1: orders and when necessary, preventative detention orders.
Speaker 2: Okay, just quickly, quickly. There's been material tenant in according Baghdad.
Speaker 2: There's the involvement of the Iraqi Judicial Council. There's briefing
Speaker 2: papers that you can barely climb over in that report
Speaker 2: today from the Iraqi end. There's no way that this
Speaker 2: is a surprise to the Albanezy government, is it. They
Speaker 2: will be absolutely briefed on this. They will be across it,
Speaker 2: and of course we've got a post in Baghdad.
Speaker 1: Of course they'll be across it.
Speaker 2: Peter.
Speaker 1: I just wish that they would put the same vigor
Speaker 1: and resources into stopping ISIS fighters turning to our country
Speaker 1: as they have in prosecuting some of our ex veterans.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, David Craig, we will leave it there,
Speaker 2: thank you. Let's go to Glasgow after the break. Poor
Speaker 2: our Victorian taxpayers. You're given the Scott's two hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars to have a party on you. Andrew Burnham two
Speaker 2: day one. All of his favorites have got a gig,
Speaker 2: including someone who should have been thrown out of the Parliament.
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Anthony Albertezy caught out this week having a
Speaker 2: lavish point pipeer dinner with millionaires and you'd labor keep
Speaker 2: up their attacks on Gina Reinhardt. What I'll tell you
Speaker 2: who else was there with the Prime Minister. But first
Speaker 2: let's go to Glasgow now where Skyney's contributor news called
Speaker 2: European correspondent Sophie Elsewhere finds herself for the opening of
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games this week. Well, welcome to your sofa.
Speaker 2: I loved your story a bit earlier in the week.
Speaker 2: Yes it was a stay aunt, you know, with the
Speaker 2: big check, but it was a good story. Asking the
Speaker 2: Scots if they were happy with a two hundred million
Speaker 2: given to them by poor Victorian taxpayers.
Speaker 18: Have a listen, we're giving you nearly two hundred million
Speaker 18: Australian dollars to hold the Commonwealth Games.
Speaker 15: What's your thoughts on this?
Speaker 19: It's actually a normal bar could a cut of paints
Speaker 19: for I think I would like to thank them because
Speaker 19: I think coming to Scotland it's a brilliant, brilliant games
Speaker 19: for the Commonwealth countries.
Speaker 15: It's a lot, but thank you very much.
Speaker 17: But you know you could you could have held it
Speaker 17: yourself and then got all the people to travel out
Speaker 17: to Australia and just so you know.
Speaker 2: So we've got some subtitles there for people who can't
Speaker 2: follow that Glasswgian accent. But clearly the joke's on us.
Speaker 18: Peter, great to be with you here from Glasgow, but yes,
Speaker 18: that's exactly the case. Speaking to Glaswegians here, the joke
Speaker 18: is on victoria Orians, and sadly it is become a
Speaker 18: joke because Glaswegians are laughing all the way to the bank.
Speaker 18: They've got nearly two hundred million, or received nearly two
Speaker 18: hundred million dollars from hard working Victorian taxpayers to hold
Speaker 18: the Commonwealth Games here seventeen thousand kilometers away, Peter, and
Speaker 18: walking around the streets here, I arrived here yesterday. There's
Speaker 18: not an awful lot of excitement in the air. There's
Speaker 18: not a lot of knowledge by locals exactly when the
Speaker 18: Commonwealth Games start. There's few signs up, there are some
Speaker 18: flags on light poles. Heaven knows where all this money
Speaker 18: is going, but I can tell you that the Scots
Speaker 18: are very, very excited to receive this huge injection of
Speaker 18: cash because of what the Victorian government did with the
Speaker 18: Commonwealth Games.
Speaker 2: Maybe they use some of the doughs to paint that
Speaker 2: pride flag behind you. What can you tell us about that?
Speaker 18: Well, that's right, Peter. I'm standing here in Castle Candle Rigs.
Speaker 18: Should I say where this giant Pride flag is now?
Speaker 18: Just tomorrow there will be really on display here a
Speaker 18: lot of the country flags, the fifty six Commonwealth nations,
Speaker 18: and then beside them there will be black ribbons, mourning
Speaker 18: ribbons that the organizers will put beside the countries that
Speaker 18: criminalize same sex marriage. And they are doing this flag stunt, Peter,
Speaker 18: just ahead of the opening ceremony. Now there's been some
Speaker 18: backlashing criticism that the organizers should not be getting involved
Speaker 18: in activism. They have made it very clear they are
Speaker 18: getting involved in activism, and Peter, the firing gun hasn't
Speaker 18: even shot here in Scotland, and ready we're starting to
Speaker 18: see organizers going down this slippery slope of going into
Speaker 18: activism and I think a lot of people are not
Speaker 18: very impressed by that.
Speaker 2: I will be keeping an eye out to see how
Speaker 2: many flags there are for Australia. Will come back to
Speaker 2: that when the Games get underway. But let's go to
Speaker 2: a Downing Street first day there, of course for the
Speaker 2: new Prime minister, a lot riding on his attempt to
Speaker 2: rebrand labor. Burnham's promise change. There's the real risk though,
Speaker 2: that he's going to take labor even further to the left.
Speaker 2: He's got a brand new cabinet. He's rewarded all of
Speaker 2: his supporters. I can't believe that he's put Angela Rayner
Speaker 2: into the Housing ministry given she failed to pay tax
Speaker 2: on an investment property and was thrown out, was dumped
Speaker 2: as the Deputy Prime Minister last time.
Speaker 18: Well, it is quite extraordinary, Peter. But Andy Burnham has
Speaker 18: made his mark. He's gotten rid of a lot of
Speaker 18: Keir Starmer's chiefs that were in there, and he has
Speaker 18: said I'm getting back who I want and he's made
Speaker 18: that abundantly clear by making appointments such as Angela Rayner
Speaker 18: coming back in as Housing Secretary. Now he's spending an
Speaker 18: awful lot of money, Peter. He's cutting bus fares down
Speaker 18: to two pounds, He's going to build a enormous amount
Speaker 18: of social housing. He's saying he's going to spend hundreds
Speaker 18: of millions to bring down energy bills. But Britain's are
Speaker 18: asking how on earth is the country going to afford this.
Speaker 18: He's only been in the office twenty four hours Peter,
Speaker 18: and people are already concerned by his agenda that he's pushing.
Speaker 15: Just quickly.
Speaker 2: The man accused of murdering Conservative politician and Whittikin appeared
Speaker 2: in court pretty gruesome details, the prosecutor saying she was
Speaker 2: just at home having lunch. He came in the front door.
Speaker 2: He allegedly struck her to the head more than twenty
Speaker 2: one times with a hammer. We know, of course she died.
Speaker 2: There's implications here, isn't there in terms of political security
Speaker 2: for sorry, security for political leaders, particularly given there is
Speaker 2: a view that he was from the left and he
Speaker 2: was attacking her because she was from the And police
Speaker 2: have been pretty slow to provide information to the public.
Speaker 18: They have Peter, and they have been criticized for giving
Speaker 18: out information that has proven correct and they've had to
Speaker 18: come back and correct some of the information that they
Speaker 18: were putting out. But this is incredibly concerning. In the UK,
Speaker 18: politicians are on high alert. They're worried about these political
Speaker 18: attacks and it has ramped up the debate of whether
Speaker 18: or not all politicians should have security, and we know
Speaker 18: that is one of the critical points that reform UK.
Speaker 18: Nigel Frage, the leader of Reform UK has been banging
Speaker 18: on about saying that he needs proper security and that's
Speaker 18: why he accepted that five million pound donation for security. Peter,
Speaker 18: this is a very very debate that's really making a
Speaker 18: lot of headlines here, very controversial and incredibly distressing of
Speaker 18: what happened to Anne Whittikom.
Speaker 2: I enjoy the games even if the Glaswegians don't on
Speaker 2: that on the coin of the Victorian taxpayer, Sophie elsewhere,
Speaker 2: thank you. After the break, just what was the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister doing at a reportedly one million dollar lavish dinner
Speaker 2: at Point Piper on Monday night? Plus Barnaby's dog interview,
Speaker 2: you know that barking dog into fifth Let's go on
Speaker 2: Global the Wednesday Panel after the break right now to
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanize. He's lavish Point Pipe and dinner reportedly with
Speaker 2: Felix Lee, the son of a Chinese developer, and joined
Speaker 2: by Commonwealth Bank CEO Matt Common alongside the former Victorian Premier,
Speaker 2: a great mate of Beijing, as you know, Dan Andrews
Speaker 2: here to discuss this and more. My panel One Nation
Speaker 2: Chief of Stuff James Ashby and Liberal MP for Barker
Speaker 2: Tony Passen will barker Haha. I'll get to that one
Speaker 2: in a moment with you, Tony Pod to see you
Speaker 2: too after that boating accident in Tasmania last week. I'm
Speaker 2: pleased to know that you and your staff are back.
Speaker 2: Condec James Ashby this lavviage Beijing connected Chinese shin dig
Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister, but your boss she can't catch
Speaker 2: up with Gina Reinhart. How's this all okay?
Speaker 20: Well, as we know, do as I say, not as
Speaker 20: I do. That's Labour's motto.
Speaker 10: And you're right.
Speaker 20: Look, we all know in politics somebody who's got a
Speaker 20: couple of bucks, there's no doubt about that. But Anthony
Speaker 20: Alberzi says that anyone other than Labor can't mingle with them.
Speaker 20: And then this instance, he's commanded one million dollars to
Speaker 20: meet with a Chinese billionaire son. And look, if you
Speaker 20: ask men, you ask most Victorians. If it involves Dan Andrews,
Speaker 20: it's a bad night. It's a bad deal for Australia.
Speaker 20: But look, it just demonstrates why Matt Coleman from the
Speaker 20: Komorf Bank seems to be really backing Grim Jim's policies.
Speaker 20: The budget. You know when you see Anthony Albernesi mixing
Speaker 20: with the elites, it's bad news for Australia. And I
Speaker 20: might just add too. In a recent Yougove poll, the
Speaker 20: Labor Party seemed to be more representative of the wealthy
Speaker 20: people in this country at thirty three percent of wealthy
Speaker 20: people will back Labor these days. It's the biggest cohort
Speaker 20: of wealthy people that have ever backed labor, whereas One
Speaker 20: Nation we backed the battlers.
Speaker 2: You're a colleague at One Nation, James Barnaby Joyce. He
Speaker 2: was leading the news in the UK's Independent and The Telegraph,
Speaker 2: Al Jazeera, Half Post, the Daily Beast, segn En. It
Speaker 2: went absolutely everywhere out today. Barnaby gave a response to
Speaker 2: that interview on the seven thirty report.
Speaker 15: Have listened.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've got the grab anyway. He gave
Speaker 2: a response saying it's a working dog. Hasn't anybody ever
Speaker 2: seen a working dog? And I say to you, Tony Passen, well,
Speaker 2: clearly ninety percent of the media they've never in a paddock,
Speaker 2: have they clearly not?
Speaker 17: Peter, and thank you for your comments about the Testimanian incident.
Speaker 17: I'm back and recovering and my staff has undergone surgery.
Speaker 17: He's back and they're saying his prognosis is good, but
Speaker 17: my thoughts are still with him. Look, I was just
Speaker 17: gobsmacked at the reaction. My family run two thousand or so.
Speaker 17: First crush us working dogs or something I've grown up around,
Speaker 17: and clearly we've now seen manifest in the media the
Speaker 17: dichotomy between those people that live in the city and
Speaker 17: those people that live in the country, and one of
Speaker 17: the institutions we used to be able to rely on
Speaker 17: to help bridge that gap, namely the ABC, is now
Speaker 17: not bridging that gap, it's exacerbating it. Working dogs are
Speaker 17: treated like.
Speaker 2: Seeing I dogs.
Speaker 17: They're not to be patted, they're not to be played with.
Speaker 17: They're there to do a job. They take instruction, they
Speaker 17: take firm instruction. If they're doing the wrong thing, they
Speaker 17: take very firm instruction. Safety measure more than anything else.
Speaker 17: And that's what Barnaby was doing. I think he was
Speaker 17: relapsing from federal political interviewee to a rural residence and
Speaker 17: farmer man. That was just that kind of moment in time,
Speaker 17: and quite frankly to see the reaction and everyone saying,
Speaker 17: thank goodness, they're not around wearing the shipyards.
Speaker 2: Well, I made the point last night there was not
Speaker 2: an expladi from Barnaby. I grew up with a dad
Speaker 2: who loved it expladive in the paddocks. So I think
Speaker 2: you can James, you can all rest happy at one
Speaker 2: nation that it was all nice and clean on TV.
Speaker 2: Can I get a reaction from you. There's been outraged
Speaker 2: today about comments your boss made in relation to domestic violence.
Speaker 2: What have you got to say there?
Speaker 20: Well, I think Paula made it very clear when people
Speaker 20: listen to things in context, and if you have a
Speaker 20: listened to the whole interview on four VC with Gary
Speaker 20: Hargraves as I did, she made it very clear she
Speaker 20: doesn't accept domestic violence is an acceptable thing for anyone
Speaker 20: to put up with. But as she was trying to say,
Speaker 20: there is an element of domestic violence that comes not
Speaker 20: just from men. We recognize that it's the largest cohort
Speaker 20: come from men, but there is a cohort too that
Speaker 20: comes from women. And she's saying communication has failed in
Speaker 20: Australia and with the pressures that so many households are under,
Speaker 20: domestic violence is not acceptable, whether it be from a
Speaker 20: man or a woman, And she also said if you
Speaker 20: feel threatened in any way, shape or form, get out
Speaker 20: of it. She's been in those scenarios herself as a
Speaker 20: woman and as a mother, and she got herself and
Speaker 20: the kids out of that environment. So look, let's not
Speaker 20: play this up. I know that there's plenty of people
Speaker 20: within the media that love to get the five second
Speaker 20: clip rather than take the full thirty second clip. And
Speaker 20: I think the media have a little bit of responsibility
Speaker 20: to take here because she wasn't playing down domestic violence.
Speaker 20: It's serious across this country and one nation take it serious.
Speaker 2: And as you write this, tho, she's got a family
Speaker 2: history of her own there. So again, this is why
Speaker 2: I wanted to put it to you straight and thank
Speaker 2: you for that, Tony. You're a South Australian MP of course,
Speaker 2: so Leah blives. She's in the Senate now, but before
Speaker 2: she went to the Senate as she was elected party
Speaker 2: president in essay and she's just winding out of that role.
Speaker 2: I listened to an interview she gave today that says
Speaker 2: she said she won't run for that job again because
Speaker 2: she wants to be absolutely focused on the work that
Speaker 2: the voters elected her to do. Now Alexantik this talk
Speaker 2: that he's going to run, that he's got the numbers,
Speaker 2: wouldn't that rule him out as well?
Speaker 12: Not in my view, Peter.
Speaker 17: I mean members of Parliament how often have parallel responsibilities,
Speaker 17: and in Alex's case, is an incredibly competent, capable individual.
Speaker 17: And if he wants to walk and chew gum at
Speaker 17: the same time, and most importantly, if the members of
Speaker 17: the South Australian State Council want him to serve as president,
Speaker 17: then that's a matter for them. It's not a matter
Speaker 17: for anyone else. And whilst I respect Lee's views, I
Speaker 17: don't think it should act as a a bard of
Speaker 17: Alex putting his hand up and ultimately or potentially being
Speaker 17: supported by South Astralian Liberal members.
Speaker 2: All Right, leave it there, James. I'll talk to you
Speaker 2: next week. We're getting very close to that Victorian election.
Speaker 2: I don't know who your leader is and I haven't
Speaker 2: seen any candidates in Victorious, so i'll give you a
Speaker 2: bit of notice next week. We won't get into that.
Speaker 2: Thank you to you both, Thank you to you both.
Speaker 2: Plenty of words to get through after break, kel Ches,
Speaker 2: I've missed him. I know you've still had in my
Speaker 2: eye was away and I've absolutely missed him, He joins me. Now,
Speaker 2: kel Richards for words of the week. Of course, it's Wednesday.
Speaker 2: We've got some good ones, phrases and words. This is
Speaker 2: a phrase from Walter. He wants to know the meeting
Speaker 2: and the origin of the term his nibs.
Speaker 10: We use his nibs as a mildly derisive sort of
Speaker 10: name to give to someone who suffers a bit from
Speaker 10: self importance. And the oxpord goes back to about eight
Speaker 10: and twenty, but probably that's the earliest time it's recorded,
Speaker 10: but probably was in the spoken language for a long
Speaker 10: time before that. The Oxford says nibs is actually an
Speaker 10: alterational corruption of noob, and nob was a word used
Speaker 10: for a snob or self important person for a long time.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 10: The reason why nob was used is partly that it
Speaker 10: was an abbreviation of noble nobility, and partly because nob
Speaker 10: was an old saying word in England for your head.
Speaker 10: So if you had your head stuck up in the air,
Speaker 10: you were a snob, right, And so all you need
Speaker 10: to do is change the middle syllable the vowel in
Speaker 10: the middle, and you get his nibs. And it makes sense.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to take a punt, Jeffrey says.
Speaker 2: The origin of this phrase? Has it got anything to
Speaker 2: do with the boats, you know, the punt boats that
Speaker 2: you propel along with a pole, particularly in the UK.
Speaker 17: No, no, it hasn't.
Speaker 10: Two words here, they're called hominym's different stories, different meanings.
Speaker 10: The punt meaning a boat comes from the Latin word
Speaker 10: for a flat bottom boat. We get pontoon the same source,
Speaker 10: but punt meaning taking a bet seems Australian. It's recorded
Speaker 10: here before it's recorded anywhere else. First appears in nineteen
Speaker 10: sixty five in a wonderful Little book by John O'Grady
Speaker 10: calls Zing English, although it would have been spoken around
Speaker 10: for a long time before that. It seems to have
Speaker 10: a French origin. There's a French word for a punt
Speaker 10: or punt, which meant a gambler who bets against the house.
Speaker 10: And behind that is a French word I think pronounced punterie,
Speaker 10: meaning to lay an egg. So betting against the house
Speaker 10: was always seen as being a very fragile thing to do,
Speaker 10: and somehow that idea came to Australia. We adopted it
Speaker 10: and we started using punt to mean having a bet
Speaker 10: on anything.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not sure we've got time, toll, poppy or
Speaker 2: Stockholm syndrome? Can we get any of those in?
Speaker 10: I can get in Stockholm syndrome? It says there's captives
Speaker 10: who come to rule late and like and identify with
Speaker 10: their cat toors. And it goes to a bank robbery
Speaker 10: in Stockholm in nineteen seventy three, where four bank staff
Speaker 10: members were held captive for six days and ended up
Speaker 10: being on side with the robbers. The question was, doesn't
Speaker 10: account for our current situation? Possibly the thirty percent of
Speaker 10: Australians who still want to vote labor the Stockholm syndrome
Speaker 10: they've come to love. They all right, I don't know,
Speaker 10: we'll do.
Speaker 2: The others next week. Thank you, Cal, great to have
Speaker 2: you back. That's it for me. Thank you for your
Speaker 2: company up next and your bolt