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Speaker 1: And with her with Kate Ritchie podcast. You would have

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Speaker 1: seen the headlines yesterday and also covered in the news today.

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Speaker 1: Madeline McCann. The operation taking place the German Place are

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Speaker 1: running this, but the reservoir that they're looking at, which

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Speaker 1: was apparently a popular place to go by Christian b

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Speaker 1: who they refer to as the main person of interest,

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Speaker 1: is about forty five minutes from where she vanished. This

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Speaker 1: was obviously two thousand and seven, so we're sixteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the poisonous spikes of interest that the

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Speaker 1: family and the parents would continue to receive. Not long ago,

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Speaker 1: on this show, we were talking about the girl who

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Speaker 1: came out and claimed to be Madeline McCann.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: How did that end on as it wasn't her?

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Speaker 1: Obviously, that's a very strange story, that young girl, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I think her background and her family led to maybe

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Speaker 1: some mental issues. But she is not Madeline McCann. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's why the parents when this girl came

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Speaker 1: out and said to Madeline McCann, they said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: don't really you don't have to really bother about a

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Speaker 1: DNA because we know that it's not Madeline McCann. We

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Speaker 1: just know. So what's fascinating about this reservoir is one

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Speaker 1: bike has come out and said, this is a cry

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Speaker 1: for help. There's really nothing here but this guy, Christian

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Speaker 1: b It was known as his happy place, so he

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Speaker 1: would go back there and hang out a lot. And

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Speaker 1: this guy's got form and he's up on current charges

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Speaker 1: elsewhere for different cases. So he was a suspect of

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Speaker 1: his lead suspect. Right. Yeah, But this reservoir here, which

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Speaker 1: we're showing on the big screen, that's the spot about

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes from where she was taken.

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Speaker 2: It's by the sounds of it. Because the investigations kicked

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Speaker 2: off again the new investigators. I'm not happy with how

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Speaker 2: it was, how they started the investigation.

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Speaker 1: Details of a lot of holes, isn't there heaps of holes?

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Speaker 1: And if you watch any documentary you'll see how sloppy

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Speaker 1: the evidence was gas was gathered, and how the case

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Speaker 1: really you know, they had a battle to try and

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Speaker 1: put the pieces together early on. What was interesting about

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Speaker 1: this reservoir, and I haven't seen reported anywhere else, is

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Speaker 1: that in two thousand and eight they've already searched this

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Speaker 1: reservoir and they found sort of a bag of small

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Speaker 1: bones which was not human bones, human remains, and they

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Speaker 1: found plastic and a few other little things. So they

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Speaker 1: have been through that area.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge reservoir. They had you check a whole reservoir.

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Speaker 1: Divers. They've got divers in there over the next forty

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Speaker 1: eight hours.

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Speaker 3: I actually think that job, being a police diver has

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Speaker 3: to be right up there with one of the most

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Speaker 3: frightening jobs, going into the water waiting, like trying to

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Speaker 3: find something in murky water.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could you imagine and not knowing, and the dark

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Speaker 1: deeper you go, the darker it gets. Yeah, this guy

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Speaker 1: was known to frequent the area, as I said, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes lived for weeks by this reservoir. So, as suggested,

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Speaker 1: there is a bloke. There was a lawyer who claimed

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Speaker 1: that he'd been tipped off by Underworld contacts. Madeline McCann.

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Speaker 1: Her body had she'd been murdered within the first forty

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Speaker 1: eight hours of being taken and she was thrown into

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Speaker 1: the reservoir back then. Back then, So that is two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven. So that's what they're continuing to search

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Speaker 1: for in this resident and what are.

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Speaker 3: The chances then finding finding someone after all of this.

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Speaker 1: Well, the bones would still exist.

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Speaker 3: And now the parents completely out of the picture. Now

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Speaker 3: as far as blame goes, I mean, because every now

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Speaker 3: and then it does serve this kind of is its

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Speaker 3: ugly head. But I was actually at home over the

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Speaker 3: weekend and going because I'm spring cleaning the house, and

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Speaker 3: I was going through old magazines and newspapers and things

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Speaker 3: like that, and that's when you realize things like this

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Speaker 3: have been going for such a long time, and you

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Speaker 3: think they're still living with that because I came across

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Speaker 3: news articles and it was very early days to this,

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Speaker 3: and you think this has still not had any conclusion.

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Speaker 3: These people are still living every day without this person,

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Speaker 1: Moment where they said, hey, we've got to lead, you

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Speaker 1: would think as a parent you simply couldn't give up hope,

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Speaker 1: then you couldn't give up. So you would almost be

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Speaker 1: held in this sort of pattern of pain where someone

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Speaker 1: else comes out and says I think we have something,

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Speaker 1: and he goes, my god, what is it now? Because

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Speaker 1: I can't take too many more of these hits.

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Speaker 3: Surely they've had enough kind of work or they've done

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Speaker 3: their own closure. Because I don't know how they could

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Speaker 3: move on in dat. It's like when people go missing

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Speaker 3: and I suppose there after a period of time, surely,

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Speaker 3: just so you can function on a day to day level,

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Speaker 3: you have to you have to shut down part of

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Speaker 3: that emotional It is.

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Speaker 2: A stack as well. This is the thing because Brett

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Speaker 2: Cowen was Daniel Morecamb's killer. They actually gotten Brett Cowen

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Speaker 2: to actually lead them back to the spot where he

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Speaker 2: buried Daniel Morcambe, and the bones weren't there. They're actually

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Speaker 2: the water had taken it down quite fast, so it

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Speaker 2: took them ages before they actually found it again.

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Speaker 1: So it's just I'm confusing too though, when you remember

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Speaker 1: sixty Minutes did a report a while ago and they

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Speaker 1: found the hut or word or whatever it was that

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Speaker 1: that guy had been living in, and the police there

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Speaker 1: had a collection of USB sticks and on one of

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Speaker 1: those USB sticks they came out and said, we have

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Speaker 1: enough clear evidence that she is dead. So here's that

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Speaker 1: report for the parents. Then you have these other stories

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Speaker 1: that continue to come out. Where does it stop. You're right,

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Speaker 1: you just hope the amount of therapy and treatment they've

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Speaker 1: had can help them get out on out a bed

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Speaker 1: on a day to day basis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess if your daughter they're missing, Even if

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Speaker 3: you've if you've kind of had closure within yourself, there's

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Speaker 3: something about laying a little girl to rest normal imagine.

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