WEBVTT - Midwest and masculinity: The Vance-Walz debate

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven Am.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as they would hate to admit that both

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump and Kamala Harris fit the definition of coastal elite,

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<v Speaker 1>a wealthy New York businessman and reality TV star and

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<v Speaker 1>a San Francisco Liberal with a career in public office.

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<v Speaker 1>That is why each of them are hoping their vice

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<v Speaker 1>presidential candidates will speak to a specific group of voters,

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<v Speaker 1>the blue collar, working class area of the Midwest. And

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday's debates showed that both jd Vance and Tim Waltz

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<v Speaker 1>are taking the opportunity seriously. Both delivered smooth and assured performances.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a stark contrast to the recently established normals of

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<v Speaker 1>US politics. Today, ABC journalist and host of the Global

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<v Speaker 1>Roaming podcast Geraldine Doug on how the two candidates are

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<v Speaker 1>using their roots to appeal to voters in very different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Thursday, October three.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a consequential night ahead, and our focus is

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<v Speaker 2>the issues that matter to you, the voter. Let's introduce the.

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<v Speaker 1>Candidates, Cherline, Dan, thanks for joining us on seven AM.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great pleasure. Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've just finished watching the vice presidential debate. What

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<v Speaker 1>did you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that it was enjoyable. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 3>a view of the United States that we haven't seen

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<v Speaker 3>for a while, Like it was genuinely an interesting interplay

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<v Speaker 3>between ideas policies. You sort of sat back and thought,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, the place is in actually slightly better

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<v Speaker 3>shape than I thought. And look, ultimately, I thought both

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<v Speaker 3>men actually performed extremely well the question.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, thanks Governor, thanks to CBS for hosting debate,

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<v Speaker 4>and thanks most importantly the American people who are watching

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<v Speaker 4>this evening and caring enough about this country to pay

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<v Speaker 4>attention to this vice presidential debate.

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<v Speaker 3>And Vance, who's very poised and polished and sort of slick,

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<v Speaker 3>I just didn't think he made great progress. But I

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<v Speaker 3>thought over time, Waltz's sheer experience, combined with his passion

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<v Speaker 3>was born out.

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<v Speaker 5>But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going

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<v Speaker 5>to matter.

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<v Speaker 6>It's clear and the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And Waltz did look tentatives at the start, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was sort of startling in a way.

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<v Speaker 6>Around about halfway.

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<v Speaker 3>Through, I thought, my god, this man is really getting

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<v Speaker 3>into his stride.

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<v Speaker 5>And I asked you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever. How is it fair that you're paying your

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<v Speaker 5>taxes every year and Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal

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<v Speaker 5>tax in the last fifteen years and the last year

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<v Speaker 5>as president.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what's wrong with the system's.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly, this the bit started on the topic of the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East.

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<v Speaker 4>Earlier Today launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but

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<v Speaker 4>that attack failed thanks to join US and Israeli defensive action.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we learn from the candidates on that front?

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<v Speaker 3>Not a great deal in my opinion. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 3>was the only foreign policy discussion. I thought we might

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<v Speaker 3>get a little more that. I didn't really expect it,

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<v Speaker 3>but they couldn't avoid it.

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<v Speaker 5>His chief of staff, John Kelly said that he was

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<v Speaker 5>the most flawed human being you'd ever met, and both

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<v Speaker 5>of his secretaries of Defense and his national security advisors

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<v Speaker 5>said he should be nowhere near the White House.

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<v Speaker 4>But effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how

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<v Speaker 4>you bring stability back to a very broken world. Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump has already done it once before.

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<v Speaker 3>Ask yourself, peace through strength is what brings peace to

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<v Speaker 3>a troubled world. That was a good line from Vance

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<v Speaker 3>That might work with quite a lot of the Americans

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<v Speaker 3>who are listening to him. I just felt that you've

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<v Speaker 3>got the sense that this was not going to determine

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<v Speaker 3>the American election. And the.

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<v Speaker 1>Climate crisis came up as well in the context of

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<v Speaker 1>the hurricanes that's hitting the southeastern states in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>What did they have to say about climate change?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that was very interesting because they both had to

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<v Speaker 3>quite clearly own that and emote to the people what

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<v Speaker 3>they were going through.

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<v Speaker 4>So, first of all, let's start with the hurricane, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy.

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<v Speaker 6>I just saw today.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with

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<v Speaker 4>a six year old child, and it was the last

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<v Speaker 4>photograph ever taken to them because the roof collapsed and

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<v Speaker 4>those innocent people lost their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure Vance you know, very much talked about

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<v Speaker 3>the importance of reassuring manufacturing putting American citizens first.

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<v Speaker 4>The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much

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<v Speaker 4>American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as

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<v Speaker 4>much energy as possible in the United States of America

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<v Speaker 4>because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. What

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<v Speaker 4>hath Kamala Harris's policies actually led to more energy production

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<v Speaker 4>in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business, and some

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<v Speaker 4>of the dirtiest parts of the entire world.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas Waltz very much talked about the huge Inflation Reduction Act,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean his detailed list of all the production induced

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<v Speaker 3>by the Act and then two hundred fifty thousand jobs.

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<v Speaker 5>The Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across the country,

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the ev technology that

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<v Speaker 5>we invented and making it here.

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<v Speaker 6>Two hundred thousand jobs across the country. The largest solar.

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<v Speaker 5>Manufacturing plant in North America sets in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course he also talked about Trump mentioning that

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<v Speaker 3>climate change was a hoax.

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<v Speaker 6>Soda, but my farmer's no, climate change is real.

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<v Speaker 5>They've seen five hundred year droughts, five hundred your floods

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<v Speaker 5>back to back.

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<v Speaker 6>But what they're doing I suppose.

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<v Speaker 3>I did think that that emphasis on Middle America being

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<v Speaker 3>offshore was possibly quite a good point by Vance, and

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<v Speaker 3>Walt's all that talk about the farmers. Again, he could

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<v Speaker 3>make it very personal when he chose to Walts, which

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<v Speaker 3>Vance the only thing personal that the events talked about

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<v Speaker 3>was his daughters, his three daughters, and his sort of

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<v Speaker 3>his mother, and I felt that he overdid that, But

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<v Speaker 3>maybe that works very much with the base in America.

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<v Speaker 1>On the issue of border security, Tim Waltz keys Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and Vans of wanting to politicize border security, so it

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<v Speaker 1>remained an election issue. This came up during the presidential

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<v Speaker 1>debate as well.

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<v Speaker 6>How did J. D.

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<v Speaker 1>Evans respond to that accusation?

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<v Speaker 3>This and the discussion about democracy were the high points

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<v Speaker 3>of the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>It got quite heated, didn't it very Laura?

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, senator.

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<v Speaker 3>We having so much to get to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important toomy things.

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<v Speaker 3>The rules were that Advance just kept going on about

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<v Speaker 3>a really dark version I suppose of the border problem,

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<v Speaker 3>that law enforcement needed to be able to do their job,

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<v Speaker 3>that the aliens coming in the numbers who were criminals.

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<v Speaker 4>We have three one hundred and twenty thousand children that

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<v Speaker 4>the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. Some of

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<v Speaker 4>them have been sex trafficked, some of them hopefully are

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<v Speaker 4>at homes with their families. Some of them have been

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<v Speaker 4>used as drug trafficking mules. The real family separation policy

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<v Speaker 4>in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border.

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<v Speaker 3>And whilst appealed saying basically, the minute you start to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about this in any sort of decent way, incomes

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and demonizes it all. And of course the Springfield

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<v Speaker 3>became an example of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by

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<v Speaker 5>standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find

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<v Speaker 5>a solution, it becomes a talking point. And when it

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<v Speaker 5>becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize

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<v Speaker 5>other human beings.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, if you lived round the border in any

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<v Speaker 3>shape or form, I thought that Vance probably did do

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<v Speaker 3>not a bad job there.

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<v Speaker 1>Reproductive rights inevitably came up. This has been a strong

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<v Speaker 1>area fourteen one, in which he spoken about his own

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<v Speaker 1>personal struggle having children with his wife. At the presidential debate,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump struggled to articulate his position on abortion and

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<v Speaker 1>whether he supports a national abortion ban.

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<v Speaker 4>Did J. D.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance face a similar problem during this debate?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I thought he absolutely did. I thought he completely

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<v Speaker 3>dodged that well.

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<v Speaker 1>Nora.

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<v Speaker 6>First of all, I never supported a national ban.

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<v Speaker 4>I did during what I was running for Senate in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty two, talk about setting some men in a

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<v Speaker 4>national standard.

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<v Speaker 6>For example, I thought.

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<v Speaker 3>That Walt's most definitely won that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to respond on the pro abortion piece of that. No,

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<v Speaker 6>we're not.

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<v Speaker 5>We're pro women, We're pro freedom to make your own choice.

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<v Speaker 5>We know what the implications are to not be that

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<v Speaker 5>women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, physicians feeling

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<v Speaker 5>like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.

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<v Speaker 3>And as far as I thought, Vance was not at

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<v Speaker 3>all persuasive that he had changed his mind, throwing it

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<v Speaker 3>back to the individual state. Maybe he really does believe

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<v Speaker 3>what he believes. He can usually cast aside quite a

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<v Speaker 3>few things, but he didn't on that score.

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<v Speaker 1>And towards the end of the debate, the moderator is

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<v Speaker 1>asked about the state of democracy itself in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Legal, would you again seek to challenge this year's election results,

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<v Speaker 2>even if every governor certifies the results. I'll give you

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<v Speaker 2>two minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>How did Jdvans answer the question about whether Hey and

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<v Speaker 1>Trump would accept the result of the upcoming election.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he dodged it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well, Nora, First of all, I think that we're

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<v Speaker 4>focused on the future. We need to figure out how

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<v Speaker 4>to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies.

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<v Speaker 4>Make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're

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<v Speaker 4>focused on.

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<v Speaker 3>But I want to and he did say that we

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<v Speaker 3>want issues debated peacefully in the public square. But I

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<v Speaker 3>believe we do have a threat. And then it went

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<v Speaker 3>into that whole thing about the censorship.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that we actually do have a threat to

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<v Speaker 4>democracy in this country. But unfortunately it's not the threat

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<v Speaker 4>to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about.

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<v Speaker 6>It is the threat of censorship.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.

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<v Speaker 6>It's big.

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<v Speaker 3>By this stage, Welsh was really gearing up and that

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<v Speaker 3>this type of debate is tearing our country apart. And

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<v Speaker 3>when this is over, we've got to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>shake hands and move on and get away from this

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<v Speaker 3>type of debate.

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<v Speaker 5>I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said,

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<v Speaker 5>as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win,

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<v Speaker 5>but the democracy is bigger than winning an election. You

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<v Speaker 5>shake hands and then you try and do everything you

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<v Speaker 5>can to help the other side win.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did think that idea that they would have

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<v Speaker 3>to shake hands if it was all over and move on.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of Americans probably do want to

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<v Speaker 3>move on. Yeah, but it just depends how dark they

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<v Speaker 3>feel things are.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose Jade ad answers question about his previous criticisms

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump as well, and essentially whether changing his opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on Trump shows that he won't be someone to stand

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<v Speaker 1>up to the president if need be. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a perception problem for Vance on not only

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<v Speaker 1>his previous comments about Donald Trump, but on his current

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Donald Trump moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's pretty obvious he flip flops around him

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<v Speaker 3>his opportunistic he moves around. I don't like people like that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't trust them. But I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>that that's actually how Americans over there necessarily see him.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he was very poised. My goodness, he's a good debater.

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<v Speaker 3>What struck me was the degree to which he felt

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<v Speaker 3>he had to personalize himself. This constant reference, I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>more or less constant references to sort of sitting back

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<v Speaker 3>at home and sitting with his grandmother or whatever it

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<v Speaker 3>was or is three beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Children after the break. How much of a role did jd.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance tim Maltz actually have in swaying the election. Jerline,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been speaking about the debate between JD. Vance and

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Moltz. Both Vance and Walt spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about their backgrounds growing up in rural Midwest

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<v Speaker 1>of America. They focused on seeing a lot of manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>jobs leaving America. For instance. Who do you think they're

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to when they make that a focus of their

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<v Speaker 1>pitches to voters.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question. I mean, they clearly have been

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<v Speaker 3>focusing on the people who are allegedly two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 3>could swing the election, who are unsure, and in fact

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<v Speaker 3>they're pitching at the undersideds. But my view is that

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<v Speaker 3>they also reinforce a whole lot of other people who

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<v Speaker 3>actually want the place to get back to normal.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a bigger drive than we've come to

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<v Speaker 3>believe because all our focus has been on Trump, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think there probably is a much bigger drive you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for among them a lot of people to just oh,

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<v Speaker 3>can we please get back to normal? And as we

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<v Speaker 3>have been focusing here in Australia on abortion issues, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how many of the women will they get in? And

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is very true. But there's an increasing

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<v Speaker 3>writing too about whether disenchanted younger men feel that Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is a very good model of a man who's made it,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's quite a lot of concern, as I understand,

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<v Speaker 3>in the Democrat ranks about just this. Waltz has also

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<v Speaker 3>a very confident maleness about him, football coach, teacher, father

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<v Speaker 3>all that he talked about only having one house, which

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<v Speaker 3>was interesting the whole discussion about housing. Vance clearly is

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<v Speaker 3>a man making money more.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to me Geraldine, that both candidates, Waltz and

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<v Speaker 1>Vance are in an existential battle as much as anything

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<v Speaker 1>over the definition and role modeling of what is a

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<v Speaker 1>good version of masculinity and manhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there are very good pulses who believe it's playing

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<v Speaker 3>quite a considerable role in this. I mean, I did

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<v Speaker 3>think that Waltz did display a sort of positive view.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it that dad energy that people have been talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, the sort of wooly labrador of politics

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<v Speaker 3>you know of America. I thought it was very believable.

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<v Speaker 3>Vance models a very different part of American entrepreneurialism, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that is who backs him, you know, Silicon

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<v Speaker 3>Valley entrepreneurs, have backed him, but a lot of young

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<v Speaker 3>men are wondering about precisely that, wondering when they'll ever

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<v Speaker 3>be able to afford their own home and a wife.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's telling that if you look online that

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<v Speaker 1>Vance has been spending a lot of time speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>what you could loosely describe as the broke media podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's host to buy young men, I guess podcasting two

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<v Speaker 1>young men. So who is he trying to appeal to

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<v Speaker 1>when he goes on these shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, this is the argument that you're dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with people who are not sure of them or what

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<v Speaker 3>they really believe. They're certainly not established voters. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of these young men who will be looking

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<v Speaker 3>on they're they're not well formed. They've seen their communities

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<v Speaker 3>just crack up around them. They're given constant material saying

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<v Speaker 3>reach for the stars, go for broke. You know, don't

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<v Speaker 3>be a loser. That's what Trump says, don't be a loser.

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<v Speaker 3>It's certainly not what Waltz says.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside of the bro vote and outside of the Midwest

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<v Speaker 1>area often called the heartland of America, these are the

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<v Speaker 1>states that we've been hearing a lot about in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of being critical to the outcome of the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Kamalia Harris has come on board as the presidential

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<v Speaker 1>nominee for the Democrats, have there been any other states

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<v Speaker 1>that have come into play for this election?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, as I understand it, North Carolina and Arizona, and

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<v Speaker 3>as I understand it, there's furious of effort going into Pennsylvania. Quietly,

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<v Speaker 3>Nevada seems to be really occupying people's thoughts quite a

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<v Speaker 3>lot as well. I do think that it's neck and

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<v Speaker 3>neck because it is so even and it is all

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<v Speaker 3>happening so late. We're seeing a different layer of coverage

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<v Speaker 3>to anything I've seen in any US election before. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why I actually think this debate will turn out to

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<v Speaker 3>be more important than we thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's an interesting point to finish on, Geraldine, Particularly

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<v Speaker 1>vice presidential debates are seen there's no more than political theater,

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<v Speaker 1>and historically they've highly moved the needle. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that this debate will be more consequential than previous vice

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<v Speaker 1>presididential debates and in particular in relation to what we

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<v Speaker 1>will see happening in November with the outcome of this election.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do think it'll be more consequential you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if Biden had stepped down in June or something and

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<v Speaker 3>she'd come in, would it have been Maybe not. This

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<v Speaker 3>is like concertinaed for the Americans, and I think that

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<v Speaker 3>it will have quite a decent rating. I honestly felt

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<v Speaker 3>you looked at a competent America there. That must surely

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<v Speaker 3>be good for American morale that is pretty battered at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment. Even if you feel like you're doing it

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<v Speaker 3>really tough and you're angry with a lot of them

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there in Washington, it was actually a pretty good

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<v Speaker 3>display of American skills. I suspect it will make a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Geraldine, thank you so much for your.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, my pleasure. Daniel, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, conflict in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>has escalated to new levels after Iran launched around two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred missiles at Israel on Tuesday night local time. The

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<v Speaker 1>attack was in response to the killings of senior leaders

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<v Speaker 1>of Hamas Hezbalah and Iran's Revolutionary Guard. In a statement

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<v Speaker 1>following the attacks, Israel's Prime Minister benjaminet Yahu said Iran

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<v Speaker 1>had made a big mistake tonight and will pay for

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<v Speaker 1>it whoever attacks us. We attacked them, he said, and

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales Police are trying to ban two pro

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian rallies plan for the upcoming Labor Day long weekend

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney. In a statement, the New South Wales Police

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<v Speaker 1>Force have said they are not satisfied the protests would

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<v Speaker 1>proceed safely. Monday will mark the one year anniversary to

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<v Speaker 1>the October seven attacks on Israel by Hamas militants. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel James seven am will be back tomorrow