WEBVTT - LUCKY DIP, EP 129

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, it's mal just before we kick off today's episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Lucky Dip. Quick warning that today's story has some

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<v Speaker 1>medically graphic details attached to it that might be not

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<v Speaker 1>great for those of you who are a little bit queasy,

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<v Speaker 1>so just take that as a little warning. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is a fantastic story, so I would suggest you keep listening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I usually give you a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>heads up of when the gory stuff's going to start,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can just skip forward like thirty seconds and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll miss it. But into the show, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Goddle, it's Lucky Dip time. It's your lucky time today.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd smel the monty. It's Lucky Dip time. Good eh, Hello, Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for listening to the pod. Hope you well, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>Best place to get us. I have a little story

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people might be aware of.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's fucked her as per But I think you've

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<v Speaker 2>done one or two uplifting ones and they're not as good.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just programmed to like a next story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's something insincere about it. When in my delivery

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm I'm just naturally dark. That's how it is. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of Rosemary Kennedy?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Rosemary Kennedy was born in nineteen eighteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was the third child and the eldest daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>JFK's parents. Okay, Joseph and Rose Kennedy, JFK's sister. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she's jfka's sister. Anyway, When she is being born, it's

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<v Speaker 1>around the time of the Spanish flu outbreak. So the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor that is meant to come to the home to

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<v Speaker 1>deliver her is being caught up with you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>saving people's lives. So remember the nineteen eighteen The midwife

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<v Speaker 1>is like, oh, no, I have to wait for the

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<v Speaker 1>man to come and deliver the baby. So for two

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<v Speaker 1>hours she held the baby's head.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Howd the head there held the head into in the

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<v Speaker 1>birth canal. So God, can you imagine the excruciating pain

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<v Speaker 1>of that when you are in those that moment of

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<v Speaker 1>labor where you're ready to deliver. Yeah, the pain is

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievause the.

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<v Speaker 2>Head is the hectic bit. The shoulders like squirt out

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<v Speaker 2>like jelly.

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<v Speaker 1>The head is like.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I am like, you know, birth four years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's still relatively fresh. There's no way when you

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<v Speaker 2>get the pushing sensation, you cannot so it's torture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's torture. But so she's holding the head in two.

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<v Speaker 2>Hours, so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>This poor little baby Rosemary was deprived of oxygen for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time, so, you know, like toddler years, they're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to notice developmental delays. And the dad was in

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<v Speaker 1>politics and was quite ambitious in his career and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect family. It was all part of like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how you look to society and all this sort of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So when she is eleven, it's becoming really obvious that

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<v Speaker 1>I'll hang on, there's some challenges going on here with

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<v Speaker 1>this little girl. So they decide to send her away

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<v Speaker 1>to a private boarding school, you know, like send her

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<v Speaker 1>away just to get rid of her, so she's not

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<v Speaker 1>in the public eye anyway. Her literacy level at sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, was around the level of a nine to

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<v Speaker 1>ten year old, which listen, isn't great, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you can get by. Yeah, we've spoken before. My mum

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<v Speaker 1>like didn't go to school, so yes, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>she got by anyway. She goes to this private boarding school.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really sad detail. So the dad was

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<v Speaker 1>like the ambassador to the UK or something, and the

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<v Speaker 1>queen came over for a visit and like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>family were being presented to her, and Rosemary apparently had

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<v Speaker 1>come home that weekend and she practiced her curtsy for hours,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my hours to try and get it right. And

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<v Speaker 1>then on the day she tripped because she was nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently she was fine with it, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like by all accounts, she was a bit of a firecracker,

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<v Speaker 1>like she was just it seems like she had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of spirit to her, like she just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>have a good time, you know. Anyway, so when she's

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<v Speaker 1>around twenty two, she starts having real bad mood swings

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, like what they call violent outbursts. They're

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<v Speaker 1>saying she's becoming increasingly irritable and difficult. So the dad

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that this new procedure that's come out, well not new.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a doctor called doctor Walter Freeman, and he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks he's going to revolutionies the lobotomy, which used to

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<v Speaker 1>be like a full cutting the skull open.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it taking out the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like, what is it? He's fucking with the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why Walter Freeman, this doctor was like people

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<v Speaker 1>were going in droves to see him because it was

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<v Speaker 1>an in office procedure. Now, my god, what he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing was basically it was called an ice picklebottom don't now, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have to tell you this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of this. It gives context to this story. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you are squeamish, maybe go forward twenty seconds. Basically, put

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<v Speaker 1>an ice pick let's say we tear duct is and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>shove it in and then it'd wiggle around the brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I didn't ever know what party was touching.

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<v Speaker 1>And what would happen was people were going if their

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<v Speaker 1>wives were hysterical, and we've previously discussed what hysterical looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know kids that now we would look at

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<v Speaker 1>that would say would be neurodivergent or whatever. People would

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<v Speaker 1>take their family members there and then things were great

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<v Speaker 1>afterwards because they just sat around almost catatonic and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do any personalities fully changed. God anyway, So mister Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 1>God does this apparently not in consultation with his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>He just decides to do this look. One camp may

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<v Speaker 1>say that this was because he just wanted his daughter

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<v Speaker 1>to fit into their perfect family, so she acted the

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<v Speaker 1>way he expected. Others might say that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>last ditch attempt. He just wanted her to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>the whole. Right. Yeah, they go in and the procedure

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<v Speaker 1>Rosemary's I mean, like, if you're going to say a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more gentle, it's still not. But this is how

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<v Speaker 1>they described it. After Rosemary was mildly sedated, we went

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<v Speaker 1>through the top of her head. I think she was awake.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a mild tranquilizer. I made a surgical incision

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<v Speaker 1>in the brain through the sky. It was near the front,

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<v Speaker 1>it was on both sides. We just made a small incision,

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<v Speaker 1>no more than an inch. What this doctor used looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a butter knife, and apparently he swung it up

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<v Speaker 1>and down to cut the brain tissue. They put the

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<v Speaker 1>instrument inside and then doctor Freeman asks Rosemary to recite

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<v Speaker 1>the Our Father, which is a prayer and seeing God

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<v Speaker 1>bless America or count backwards. And when she became incoherent

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<v Speaker 1>so she couldn't sing anymore, or she was losing her

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<v Speaker 1>words or whatever, then they thought that's enough. We'll stop

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<v Speaker 1>cutting now that was their baromina for winter. Stop Like,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously this did not go well. She was institutionalized immediately

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<v Speaker 1>and she stayed there for the rest of her life.

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<v Speaker 1>She could not speak, she was wheelchair bound. All the

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<v Speaker 1>kids were just told that she went away to another school,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were not allowed to go and see her.

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<v Speaker 1>The mother was forbidden to go and see her too.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently she never saw anyone in her her family until

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was for twenty years afterwards. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>dad died and apparently this is so sad. When the

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<v Speaker 1>mum went to see her after all this time, she

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<v Speaker 1>started like beating at her mum's chest and grunting, because

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there was a level of awareness in her,

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<v Speaker 1>like you fucking left me. You let that happen to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and you left me. Yeah, so she yeah, she stayed

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<v Speaker 1>there until she don't Oh my god, she lived until

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<v Speaker 1>her eighties. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a long time. Jo.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you've got all these siblings, because they were

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<v Speaker 1>a big family, think of like seven kids or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're probably sitting there seeing your brother become president,

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing your brother assassinated. You see, esn't anyway yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean times have changed, well, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>God, they've changed far out. Don't you think they will

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<v Speaker 2>look back like our kids or grandkids will be going

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<v Speaker 2>so when my grandma was around being asked they used

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, or they used to drink a drink

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<v Speaker 2>called this or something like that. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>hectic because we think whereas we're wear in the stage

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<v Speaker 2>where medicine is as advanced as it is. Because this

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<v Speaker 2>is where we are, it's going to keep advancing more

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<v Speaker 2>and it'll be like I can't believe they will know

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<v Speaker 2>that and they did that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, like everything seems revolutionary at the time, but

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<v Speaker 1>even back then, you're putting a nice pick into someone's

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<v Speaker 1>brain wally nearly soiling it around, you know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It just shows how much how much faith people having

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<v Speaker 1>doctors and assuming doctors have all the answers and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't really.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Nah, they're humans as well. I know they're science,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're humans as well. I mean, there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of depressing stories you have told that takes the

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<v Speaker 2>cake or the icing or whatever it is, the icing

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<v Speaker 2>and the cake and you eat it all. That would

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<v Speaker 2>be wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go for more happy stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye for now, Love you,