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Speaker 1: a lot of people might be aware of.
Speaker 2: But it's fucked her as per But I think you've
Speaker 2: done one or two uplifting ones and they're not as good.
Speaker 2: We're just programmed to like a next story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something insincere about it. When in my delivery
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm just naturally dark. That's how it is. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Rosemary Kennedy?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, So Rosemary Kennedy was born in nineteen eighteen, and
Speaker 1: she was the third child and the eldest daughter of
Speaker 1: JFK's parents. Okay, Joseph and Rose Kennedy, JFK's sister. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's jfka's sister. Anyway, When she is being born, it's
Speaker 1: around the time of the Spanish flu outbreak. So the
Speaker 1: doctor that is meant to come to the home to
Speaker 1: deliver her is being caught up with you know, like
Speaker 1: saving people's lives. So remember the nineteen eighteen The midwife
Speaker 1: is like, oh, no, I have to wait for the
Speaker 1: man to come and deliver the baby. So for two
Speaker 1: hours she held the baby's head.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could do that.
Speaker 1: Howd the head there held the head into in the
Speaker 1: birth canal. So God, can you imagine the excruciating pain
Speaker 1: of that when you are in those that moment of
Speaker 1: labor where you're ready to deliver. Yeah, the pain is
Speaker 1: Unbelievause the.
Speaker 2: Head is the hectic bit. The shoulders like squirt out
Speaker 2: like jelly.
Speaker 1: The head is like.
Speaker 2: But also I am like, you know, birth four years ago,
Speaker 2: so it's still relatively fresh. There's no way when you
Speaker 2: get the pushing sensation, you cannot so it's torture.
Speaker 1: It's torture. But so she's holding the head in two.
Speaker 2: Hours, so dangerous.
Speaker 1: This poor little baby Rosemary was deprived of oxygen for
Speaker 1: quite some time, so, you know, like toddler years, they're
Speaker 1: starting to notice developmental delays. And the dad was in
Speaker 1: politics and was quite ambitious in his career and wanted
Speaker 1: the perfect family. It was all part of like you know,
Speaker 1: how you look to society and all this sort of shit.
Speaker 1: So when she is eleven, it's becoming really obvious that
Speaker 1: I'll hang on, there's some challenges going on here with
Speaker 1: this little girl. So they decide to send her away
Speaker 1: to a private boarding school, you know, like send her
Speaker 1: away just to get rid of her, so she's not
Speaker 1: in the public eye anyway. Her literacy level at sixteen,
Speaker 1: they say, was around the level of a nine to
Speaker 1: ten year old, which listen, isn't great, but I mean
Speaker 1: you can get by. Yeah, we've spoken before. My mum
Speaker 1: like didn't go to school, so yes, you know, and
Speaker 1: she got by anyway. She goes to this private boarding school.
Speaker 1: This is a really sad detail. So the dad was
Speaker 1: like the ambassador to the UK or something, and the
Speaker 1: queen came over for a visit and like the whole
Speaker 1: family were being presented to her, and Rosemary apparently had
Speaker 1: come home that weekend and she practiced her curtsy for hours,
Speaker 1: oh my hours to try and get it right. And
Speaker 1: then on the day she tripped because she was nervous,
Speaker 1: but apparently she was fine with it, and you know,
Speaker 1: like by all accounts, she was a bit of a firecracker,
Speaker 1: like she was just it seems like she had a
Speaker 1: lot of spirit to her, like she just wanted to
Speaker 1: have a good time, you know. Anyway, so when she's
Speaker 1: around twenty two, she starts having real bad mood swings
Speaker 1: and you know, like what they call violent outbursts. They're
Speaker 1: saying she's becoming increasingly irritable and difficult. So the dad
Speaker 1: thinks that this new procedure that's come out, well not new.
Speaker 1: There is a doctor called doctor Walter Freeman, and he
Speaker 1: thinks he's going to revolutionies the lobotomy, which used to
Speaker 1: be like a full cutting the skull open.
Speaker 2: And is it taking out the brain.
Speaker 1: Well, like, what is it? He's fucking with the brain.
Speaker 1: This is why Walter Freeman, this doctor was like people
Speaker 1: were going in droves to see him because it was
Speaker 1: an in office procedure. Now, my god, what he was
Speaker 1: doing was basically it was called an ice picklebottom don't now, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to tell you this is part
Speaker 1: of this. It gives context to this story. But if
Speaker 1: you are squeamish, maybe go forward twenty seconds. Basically, put
Speaker 1: an ice pick let's say we tear duct is and yeah,
Speaker 1: shove it in and then it'd wiggle around the brain.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't ever know what party was touching.
Speaker 1: And what would happen was people were going if their
Speaker 1: wives were hysterical, and we've previously discussed what hysterical looks like.
Speaker 1: But you know kids that now we would look at
Speaker 1: that would say would be neurodivergent or whatever. People would
Speaker 1: take their family members there and then things were great
Speaker 1: afterwards because they just sat around almost catatonic and didn't
Speaker 1: do any personalities fully changed. God anyway, So mister Kennedy,
Speaker 1: God does this apparently not in consultation with his wife.
Speaker 1: He just decides to do this look. One camp may
Speaker 1: say that this was because he just wanted his daughter
Speaker 1: to fit into their perfect family, so she acted the
Speaker 1: way he expected. Others might say that it was a
Speaker 1: last ditch attempt. He just wanted her to be happy
Speaker 1: the whole. Right. Yeah, they go in and the procedure
Speaker 1: Rosemary's I mean, like, if you're going to say a
Speaker 1: bit more gentle, it's still not. But this is how
Speaker 1: they described it. After Rosemary was mildly sedated, we went
Speaker 1: through the top of her head. I think she was awake.
Speaker 1: She had a mild tranquilizer. I made a surgical incision
Speaker 1: in the brain through the sky. It was near the front,
Speaker 1: it was on both sides. We just made a small incision,
Speaker 1: no more than an inch. What this doctor used looked
Speaker 1: like a butter knife, and apparently he swung it up
Speaker 1: and down to cut the brain tissue. They put the
Speaker 1: instrument inside and then doctor Freeman asks Rosemary to recite
Speaker 1: the Our Father, which is a prayer and seeing God
Speaker 1: bless America or count backwards. And when she became incoherent
Speaker 1: so she couldn't sing anymore, or she was losing her
Speaker 1: words or whatever, then they thought that's enough. We'll stop
Speaker 1: cutting now that was their baromina for winter. Stop Like,
Speaker 1: obviously this did not go well. She was institutionalized immediately
Speaker 1: and she stayed there for the rest of her life.
Speaker 1: She could not speak, she was wheelchair bound. All the
Speaker 1: kids were just told that she went away to another school,
Speaker 1: but they were not allowed to go and see her.
Speaker 1: The mother was forbidden to go and see her too.
Speaker 1: Apparently she never saw anyone in her her family until
Speaker 1: I think it was for twenty years afterwards. Then the
Speaker 1: dad died and apparently this is so sad. When the
Speaker 1: mum went to see her after all this time, she
Speaker 1: started like beating at her mum's chest and grunting, because
Speaker 1: I guess there was a level of awareness in her,
Speaker 1: like you fucking left me. You let that happen to me,
Speaker 1: and you left me. Yeah, so she yeah, she stayed
Speaker 1: there until she don't Oh my god, she lived until
Speaker 1: her eighties. I think.
Speaker 2: So that's a long time. Jo.
Speaker 1: It's like, you've got all these siblings, because they were
Speaker 1: a big family, think of like seven kids or something,
Speaker 1: and you're probably sitting there seeing your brother become president,
Speaker 1: you're seeing your brother assassinated. You see, esn't anyway yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean times have changed, well, thank.
Speaker 2: God, they've changed far out. Don't you think they will
Speaker 2: look back like our kids or grandkids will be going
Speaker 2: so when my grandma was around being asked they used
Speaker 2: to do this, or they used to drink a drink
Speaker 2: called this or something like that. It's going to be
Speaker 2: hectic because we think whereas we're wear in the stage
Speaker 2: where medicine is as advanced as it is. Because this
Speaker 2: is where we are, it's going to keep advancing more
Speaker 2: and it'll be like I can't believe they will know
Speaker 2: that and they did that.
Speaker 1: I know, like everything seems revolutionary at the time, but
Speaker 1: even back then, you're putting a nice pick into someone's
Speaker 1: brain wally nearly soiling it around, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: It just shows how much how much faith people having
Speaker 1: doctors and assuming doctors have all the answers and they
Speaker 1: don't really.
Speaker 2: No, Nah, they're humans as well. I know they're science,
Speaker 2: but they're humans as well. I mean, there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of depressing stories you have told that takes the
Speaker 2: cake or the icing or whatever it is, the icing
Speaker 2: and the cake and you eat it all. That would
Speaker 2: be wild.
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