WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 2 March

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<v Speaker 1>Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you Calem, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you team. Yeah, this time last week it was Bateman's Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>then we went to Vegas and now we're back in

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<v Speaker 1>the man Cave. So unless I am certain, we stay

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<v Speaker 1>here for the next little while. All right, looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to your company. Great to be back in the man Cave.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to be back in Australia. So all eyes now

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<v Speaker 1>at federal elections Sunday nights on. This program is one

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<v Speaker 1>for the hard course. This is one where we get

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<v Speaker 1>right into the detail. We count the grains of sand

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<v Speaker 1>on the beach and have any move in which direction.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in a moment or two time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what the thinking was behind Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that things went down with Zelenski. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk to something in the United States, just

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<v Speaker 1>in case you are not quite across why Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>the worldview that he does and the people who support

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<v Speaker 1>that particular worldview. And please the Prime minister trying to

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<v Speaker 1>tell us that he's saving on cost of living because

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<v Speaker 1>beer taxes won't go up for the next two years.

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<v Speaker 1>They've gone a plenty in the past three years. Sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five set of a bottle of Bundy rum is tax

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<v Speaker 1>so feel free not to celebrate this particular one. The

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<v Speaker 1>story that's going to be the dominant one in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>outside of politics this week is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>cyclone that is going to be making its way to

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<v Speaker 1>North Queensland. Now, this is the tropical cyclone Alfred, and

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<v Speaker 1>the latest that we can see when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the radar is that it is going to be making

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<v Speaker 1>its way. Probably major effects are going to be felt

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<v Speaker 1>in and around Thursday at its worst, but who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of that happens between now and then. To

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<v Speaker 1>put this into some perspective about how many people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be effected by all of the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>a tropical cyclone, the Turmble Times puts it at four million,

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<v Speaker 1>basically all Queenslanders who live anywhere near the coast. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the latest from our mates over It's Gone News weather.

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<v Speaker 2>Tropical Cyclone Alfred generated some monster waves off the Queensland

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<v Speaker 2>coast on Sunday, more than seven meters at Malula Bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Tropical Cyclone Alfred is forecast to remain a Category one

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<v Speaker 2>storm on Monday, remaining some three hundred kilometers off the

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland coast.

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<v Speaker 3>The latest from the Weather Bureau from Tuesday there is

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<v Speaker 3>an increasing risk that Alfred will turn west and track

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<v Speaker 3>back towards the southeast Queensland or northern New South Wales coast,

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<v Speaker 3>with the potential for it to make landfall at a

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<v Speaker 3>category up to Category two system on Thursday. A tropical

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<v Speaker 3>cyclone may be issued as early as Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll give you all the updates twenty four to seven

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<v Speaker 1>on the Weather Channel and make sure that you make

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<v Speaker 1>sky news dot com that are you your homepage. So

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<v Speaker 1>the election has not been called this weekend, so we

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<v Speaker 1>wait another week. The Prime Minister, among other things, was

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<v Speaker 1>the Mardi Gras last night in Sydney and the speculation

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<v Speaker 1>now turns to when will he call the election.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to an election in May is very much a

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<v Speaker 4>live option, despite speculation to the contrary. The dates being

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<v Speaker 4>considered that April twelve, May three and May ten. I

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<v Speaker 4>understand the decision has been made not to go with

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<v Speaker 4>the last possible election date that the PM could call

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<v Speaker 4>it May seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality for us is that in an election year

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<v Speaker 1>means all hands on deck, which is why we're here

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<v Speaker 1>tonight and we will be right at the front of

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<v Speaker 1>things between now and when the election is called. Full

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<v Speaker 1>coverage of course throughout the days and here in primetime,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we hit our absolute straps. Between now and

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<v Speaker 1>election day, pub tests planned all over the country, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as plenty of other special features, including this Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 1>I want this to be a destination for you for

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<v Speaker 1>a reset. Each and every week. We might just talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the polls. We'll talk about the tactics. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what they are they aren't doing, and what we

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<v Speaker 1>might be hearing behind the scenes. Now, as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister finds a way to announce half a

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars a day. He's spending is now in the

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<v Speaker 1>tens of billions of dollars for some reason, the press

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<v Speaker 1>gallery I never asked the Liberal Party where the money

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<v Speaker 1>is going to come from. The question should be being

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<v Speaker 1>asked to the Prime Minister as well. But we all

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<v Speaker 1>know that the benefit of the doubt for the establishment

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<v Speaker 1>media is to keep the establishment firmly in place.

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<v Speaker 5>The great benefit of these meeting care urgent care clinics

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<v Speaker 5>is taking pressure of cost of living for families. They're

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<v Speaker 5>also meaning that people can get the care they need

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<v Speaker 5>when they need it, and all they need is the

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<v Speaker 5>Settle Green card here. All they need is their Medicare card,

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<v Speaker 5>not their credit card.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this is a debate about what. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a debate against which Remember the opposition just last week

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<v Speaker 1>said that they would match dollar for dollar and an

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<v Speaker 1>extra five hundred million dollars when it comes to Medicare.

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<v Speaker 1>So while the Prime Minister wants to turn that card

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<v Speaker 1>into a prop they both agree on not just keeping

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<v Speaker 1>the current system but improving it. For the Opposition, they

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<v Speaker 1>chose national defense as their focus today, with a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to spend billions of dollars on more planes that theoretically

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to go and find out what Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>warships are doing. But of course it's not as exciting

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<v Speaker 1>for the Prime Minister because he's got to stand in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the brand that Bob Hawk launched, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the new Hawky.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, we're committing to an additional three billion dollars of

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<v Speaker 6>expenditure today to secure that fourth squadron, and we will

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<v Speaker 6>negotiate the costs of not only the aircraft but all

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<v Speaker 6>the ancillary capabilities that need to support it once we're

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<v Speaker 6>in government.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it is no surprise that every poll for the

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<v Speaker 1>past few years has told us the number one issue

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<v Speaker 1>in the country is cost of living. The Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>wants to pretend that they are doing something about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they of course promised that they would make everything

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<v Speaker 1>better three years ago. Instead, we all know it's worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Take your pick, be it the stuff you buy at

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<v Speaker 1>the shop, the insurance that you have, or how much

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<v Speaker 1>you are paying off in the tens of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars extra on your home loan. But don't know, let's

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<v Speaker 1>all talk about medicare as if that is the single

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<v Speaker 1>biggest concern for Australians. It is about changing the subject

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<v Speaker 1>one from where the government is about to get its

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<v Speaker 1>backside handed to it to the one that they think

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<v Speaker 1>they're able to make this election about. It is, of

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<v Speaker 1>course not up to the government what the election is about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you, and it's also up to the Opposition to

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<v Speaker 1>pull the subject back to where the majority of Australians are.

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<v Speaker 1>I repeat every time the Prime Minister talks about medicare

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<v Speaker 1>you should remember that the federal opposition has promised to

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<v Speaker 1>not just match eight point five billion dollars, but are

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend nine billion dollars. If you doubt, you

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<v Speaker 1>can feel free to go to the Liberal Party website.

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<v Speaker 1>You can read the announcement yourself. It is there, I

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<v Speaker 1>promise it is there. Of all the times for it

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<v Speaker 1>not to work. But you get my point. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the plan, that is the promise. Remember, legislation was passed

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<v Speaker 1>back in the Morrison government about defending and making sure

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<v Speaker 1>Medicare was in place, So all of this pretending that

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<v Speaker 1>Medicare is under threat is literally made up. It is

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<v Speaker 1>an attempt to change the subject. And most of the

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<v Speaker 1>media will follow on. I'll get to the way the

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<v Speaker 1>media treated the excise on alcohol discussion in a moment

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<v Speaker 1>or two time. But Jim Charmers is one who was,

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<v Speaker 1>of course trying to make the most of the talking

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<v Speaker 1>points because his hope would be that the Albanezi government

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<v Speaker 1>goes from a majority to a minority and then he

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<v Speaker 1>would humably at some point take the advice of people

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<v Speaker 1>like nasty Nicky Sava and become the Prime Minister in

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<v Speaker 1>the next three years. So he sings off the song

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<v Speaker 1>sheet that wheneveryone asked a question, somehow make it about

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton and Mediicare.

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<v Speaker 7>Medicare is not safe in Peter Dutton's hands. Medicare is

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<v Speaker 7>not safe from the guy who, when he was Health Minister,

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<v Speaker 7>tried to destroy universal Medicare.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't happen, did not happen, did not attempt to happen. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>the entire basis of their campaign is a Frankenstein little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of tape where they literally cut words out of

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<v Speaker 1>it and make up a sentence about support or lack

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<v Speaker 1>thereof in the case that they're trying to build about

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton. But the Redbridge Pole, which is a rolling

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<v Speaker 1>pole of the marginal seats, does give us an idea

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<v Speaker 1>about what is working and what is not. Now, after

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<v Speaker 1>a full week of the opposition not getting out there

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<v Speaker 1>aggressively enough to say we're not just matching with are

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<v Speaker 1>doing better, there has been a little change in the

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<v Speaker 1>priority of Australians when it comes to this upcoming election. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of living is still the absolute number one

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<v Speaker 1>issue at eighty two percent, but you can see that

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<v Speaker 1>lots of other issues have fallen away, but healthcare, housing,

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<v Speaker 1>climate change, and crime and responsibility and public safety have

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<v Speaker 1>all gone up. So the attempt to change the subject

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<v Speaker 1>is starting to work on the margins which brings me

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<v Speaker 1>to some tough love for the people who I win

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<v Speaker 1>this election. Now Peter Dutton and his team, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to put together not just an alternative view

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<v Speaker 1>for where they want to take the country, but they

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<v Speaker 1>also have to prosecute and finish the case about how

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<v Speaker 1>bad this government is. I think it's simple because remember

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<v Speaker 1>they promised everything would be better. Everything got worse. So

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<v Speaker 1>now the government turns around and says, oh on, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be really worse under the other guy. Now, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're hiring somebody for the next three years, but you

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<v Speaker 1>must pass judgment on a government for the previous three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Has to say. The government's doing all it can to

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<v Speaker 1>make Peter Dutton the issue because they think they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do to Peter Dutton what's got Morrison was

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<v Speaker 1>able to do to Bill Shorten.

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<v Speaker 7>Peter Dutton is such a reckless and risky proposition is

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<v Speaker 7>because when he sees the vision in our society, he

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<v Speaker 7>tries to exacerbate it and make it worse for political purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>What chares did he buy? How much did he buy

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<v Speaker 1>them for?

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<v Speaker 8>Did he have access to privileged, confidential, informational people who.

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<v Speaker 9>Did knows in his heart and doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 7>Peter Duttman the Liberals who would make people worse off

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<v Speaker 7>and take Australia backwards peed.

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<v Speaker 9>Dunton and his colleagues had a fair bit to say

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<v Speaker 9>about the Prime Minister buying one house last year. Well

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<v Speaker 9>see what he's got to say about the twenty six

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<v Speaker 9>homes that he's bought and sold over the last couple

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<v Speaker 9>of decades, some of which he hasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Declared these people. The problem with the Prime Minister buying

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<v Speaker 1>a four point something million dollar house in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a cost of living crisis is fairly obvious about

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<v Speaker 1>why Australians had a problem with it. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's already setting himself up for a retirement because

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately it doesn't matter what happens to him at the election,

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<v Speaker 1>because he will still retire on hundreds of thousands of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention his own property portfolio, which brings him

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<v Speaker 1>a income on top of his Prime minister or salary

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<v Speaker 1>of six hundred thousand dollars a year of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty thousand dollars. Now it's okay to be a

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<v Speaker 1>property investor in Australia. But they have tried any and

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<v Speaker 1>everything to again change the subject and create some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of dodginess around Peter Dutton. Philip Couri writes about this

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<v Speaker 1>interestingly today in the Weekend Financial Review. None of this

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<v Speaker 1>pesky detail seems to matter, that being that the stories

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<v Speaker 1>are all garbage. The object here is to fill in

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<v Speaker 1>the blanks for voters who have well formed views of Albanzi,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they be ill or otherwise, but are just starting

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<v Speaker 1>to get their heads around Peter Dutton. Remember, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you make it, Jos to break up with the government

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<v Speaker 1>before you turn your attention to who you want to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the next three years with. The spin from Labor

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<v Speaker 1>is that Dutton falsely affected a working class chic and

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<v Speaker 1>share by buyap and property portfolio exposes that he is

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<v Speaker 1>not really that person. But of course the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>is able to pretend that he's still the boy from

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<v Speaker 1>the Housing Commission joint, when of course he is now

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<v Speaker 1>a man with millions of dollars of assets to his

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<v Speaker 1>name via property, and of course has received massive pay

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<v Speaker 1>rises and of course gets free upgrades even on the travel,

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<v Speaker 1>which he is not doing for the taxpayer. We all

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<v Speaker 1>know which one is the actual silvertar. We know which

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<v Speaker 1>one is actually the social climb, and we already know

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<v Speaker 1>which one is actually the fraud in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>personality that they have put forward in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian people. But the simple question is this, when does

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party fight back? When does the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 1>start to run hard at Albanesi? Where are the posters

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<v Speaker 1>that are telling people in each and every electorate how

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<v Speaker 1>much mortgage repayments in that electorate have gone up under Albanesi.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is the social media that is all day every

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<v Speaker 1>day hammering home points. Where is the major speeches. The

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<v Speaker 1>reality is is that this is a very beatable government.

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<v Speaker 1>The polls show that there are plenty of Australians who

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<v Speaker 1>have had it up to here with the government. They

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<v Speaker 1>do not buy that they believe that the country is

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<v Speaker 1>headed in the right direction. Instead it's in the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reality is that while Dunton is keen to

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<v Speaker 1>say that he's not going to be Aussie Trump because

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<v Speaker 1>the effect on Teal seats and moderate voters would of

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<v Speaker 1>course set their hair on fire, the reality is that

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of some of the polls, albo Is Ossie,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden just thirty four percent of Australians believe this

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<v Speaker 1>government deserves to be re elected. Now that does mean

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<v Speaker 1>that people from the far left and those people in

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<v Speaker 1>the center and on the center right are all of

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<v Speaker 1>one view, which is this mob has to go. Why

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<v Speaker 1>because they promised a better world, they delivered a worse one.

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<v Speaker 1>And now they turn around and expect credit for delivering

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<v Speaker 1>two little too late tax cuts, giving power bill relief

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange for actually changing the two hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars that was promised, not to mention a disgraceful

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<v Speaker 1>reality that under the boy from Housing Commission, three million

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<v Speaker 1>people are this close to homelessness and three and a

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<v Speaker 1>bit million people don't know where all of their meals

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<v Speaker 1>will come from this week. Apart from the personality, apart

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<v Speaker 1>from the decision making, it is not up to the

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<v Speaker 1>media to define Anthony Abernezi. It is up to his

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<v Speaker 1>political opponents. And I'm sure that there is some wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>plan that will kick in the day that an election

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<v Speaker 1>is called. But the whole game of the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>not calling an election or hinting that one might be

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<v Speaker 1>called this weekend for nothing to happen, is that if

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party is holding its fire for the start

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<v Speaker 1>of an election campaign. They give the Prime Minister days

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<v Speaker 1>and days which become weeks and weeks to announce policies

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<v Speaker 1>that he has no money for, or to invent scare

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns that have no basis in fact, or to release

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt files on the opposition. Now, again, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a participant in Australian politics. I am an observer of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if this government is going to go from a

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<v Speaker 1>majority to a minority, to potentially the Liberal Party being

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<v Speaker 1>able to fight from quite a position back to getting

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere near a minority, they have to start fighting harder,

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<v Speaker 1>more visibly. They have to be releasing more ads, they

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a sharper message when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>social media, and they cannot afford to take a single

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<v Speaker 1>day off in terms of the fight. Because Australians are

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<v Speaker 1>ready for a change, but we need to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the people who are trying to effect that change

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<v Speaker 1>are as hungry as those of us that would like

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<v Speaker 1>to see it. Now, I know there are smart people

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<v Speaker 1>that are hard working that will be very pissed off

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm even saying what I am saying, But what

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<v Speaker 1>I am saying is that I saw what Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>able to do to Biden. He did it not over

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three days, but he did it over thirty three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>He did it over essentially the best part of two

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<v Speaker 1>of the four years of that presidency. And the Opposition

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<v Speaker 1>has made a case where according to some polls, there

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<v Speaker 1>are plenty of people that are willing to make a change,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't wait for the election to be called. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it has already been called, not just when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the big ideas, but the big attacks. Because this

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister has a glass jaw, he will not be

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<v Speaker 1>able to keep his emotions in check. He still thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that he's fighting against Scott Morrison, and he's the Opposition

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<v Speaker 1>leader who has no responsibility so can continue to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that everything will be better despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>on his watch everything got worse. Not to mention his

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<v Speaker 1>response when it comes to our national security and China

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<v Speaker 1>circumnavigating Australia with warships, it's unacceptable, it is not okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is time to go full bore, full bore,

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<v Speaker 1>release every and anything you have, and do it every

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<v Speaker 1>single day. If it's thirty three, if it's forty three

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<v Speaker 1>or it's fifty three days. It does not matter because

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<v Speaker 1>the remember the reality in Australia is that more than

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<v Speaker 1>half of all people will vote two weeks before election day.

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<v Speaker 1>Australians vote early, which means the election camp, if it

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<v Speaker 1>is to officially start in two weeks, well, the full

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three days starts now. So let's get to some

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<v Speaker 1>of the latest polling, which is around tonight what we

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<v Speaker 1>will get into in chapter and verse with our great team,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to them in a moment or two's time,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, cos Samaris from red Bridge and the great

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Kroger, who may well have you a little pushback

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<v Speaker 1>or agree with what I've had to say here. So interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago the Coalition was in striking

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<v Speaker 1>distance of twenty seats. Now that would actually take them

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<v Speaker 1>very close to, if not a majority government. Well now

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks later, Labour seems to have clawed back some ground.

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<v Speaker 1>What was fifty one forty nine in some seats has

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<v Speaker 1>now flipped the other way to Labour fifty one forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>And the scenario here is worth paying attention to about

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<v Speaker 1>why the Libs must fight and fight hard now Labour's

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<v Speaker 1>primary vote up one point, Liberal National down to Greens

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<v Speaker 1>hold the line, others they are up. In terms of

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<v Speaker 1>two party preferred, there has been one and a half

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<v Speaker 1>points that have changed in just two weeks now. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>that is the interest rates or not, and there's some

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<v Speaker 1>polling evidence suggests it is not, or it's the Meny

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<v Speaker 1>scare campaign or anything else. Labour would love the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of going into an election at fifty zo point five

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<v Speaker 1>to forty nine point five because most likely the deals

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be moving and not enough seats would move for

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party to get even close when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to a minority government. Again, let's get into this here.

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<v Speaker 1>The Reserve Bank, does it make you more likely or

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<v Speaker 1>less likely or no difference? Sixty five percent of people

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<v Speaker 1>say the interest rate change no difference. The percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>workers who think that the country is headed in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction. Two weeks ago, that was twenty seven. It's

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<v Speaker 1>now up to thirty three. Wrong direction fifty five now

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<v Speaker 1>down to fifty percent. Let's get into the conversation right

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<v Speaker 1>now with Cos Samaras from red Bridge. They're the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who put it all together. Michael Kroger, a legend of

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal party politics, lots to get to and what we

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<v Speaker 1>call the state of the race each and every Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>night one for the hard course. Lads, love you to

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<v Speaker 1>see you both, all right, cause looking at this has

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<v Speaker 1>been a change, and whether the change is just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit here and a little bit there. It goes

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<v Speaker 1>from the Libs threatening minority government to now the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>simply being about whether labor how deep it goes into

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<v Speaker 1>minority government. Big change in two weeks. Yep.

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<v Speaker 10>One team's on the field and the other one's in

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<v Speaker 10>the locker room. And it's been in the locker room

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<v Speaker 10>for the last three weeks, and whilst watching the other team,

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<v Speaker 10>being the labor team, kick the number of goals one

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<v Speaker 10>after the other, and they've been building momentum. It's the

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<v Speaker 10>interest rate cut, it's the Waler bailout, it's Medicare, it's

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<v Speaker 10>now clinics. And of course you know the coalition today

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<v Speaker 10>rebounds from that by promising more jets, which is fine,

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<v Speaker 10>but that's not what we're picking up in our research, right,

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<v Speaker 10>And so it does appear that the coalition is he's

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<v Speaker 10>very flat footed and he's allowing Albanisi to really build

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<v Speaker 10>some significant momentum here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Michael, this is what I'm noticing here, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what outcome I want. But the reality is I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the Libs are waiting for a date rather

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<v Speaker 1>than get on with it now fight it like it's

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<v Speaker 1>the last week of the campaign. Now. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, you know I respect cousin Tony Barry very much, indeed,

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<v Speaker 11>and I'm always very inot to see this stuff, which

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<v Speaker 11>is usually very accurate. So how do I explain what's happened?

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<v Speaker 11>I think it's probably a dead cat bounce off the

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<v Speaker 11>back of the interest rate cuss which everyone was waiting for.

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<v Speaker 11>And don't forget. You know, amongst most people, costs are

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<v Speaker 11>living is the only issue. So anything that helps is

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<v Speaker 11>gridded with great joy. Whether that momentum can be continued,

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<v Speaker 11>I don't think so, But I think you're right. Albanize's

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<v Speaker 11>certainly out of the blocks. There's a long way to go, though,

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<v Speaker 11>and he's already run out of other people's money. He

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<v Speaker 11>seems to be spending billions every week. There's a point

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<v Speaker 11>at which people say, hey, mate, this fast has got

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<v Speaker 11>to end. I mean, he is partly adopting the Daniel

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<v Speaker 11>Andrews strategy of Aden and which is bug of the public.

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<v Speaker 11>Just spend, spend, spend, promise them everything, roads, bridges, rail hospital,

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<v Speaker 11>just promise everything, get over line and leave the debt

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<v Speaker 11>to the next government two or three terms down the track.

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<v Speaker 11>That's what Albo's doing at the minute. That's your strategy.

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<v Speaker 11>It's worked in the past. Whether it works for federally,

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<v Speaker 11>I very much doubt it because people pay a lot

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<v Speaker 11>more attention to federal budgets they do state budgets, and

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<v Speaker 11>I don't think the dead cat bounce will last.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. This is again to hammer home my point here.

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister made an announcement which on the face of

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<v Speaker 1>it you've got to support because it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>no increase in beer taxes for the next two years.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how the media followed this. Now, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party obviously more than happy to try to

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<v Speaker 1>cloak itself in the past of Robert James Lee Hawk right,

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<v Speaker 1>And there is a particular beer which has his face

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<v Speaker 1>on it. It operates in and around the Prime Minister's

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<v Speaker 1>electric which means it's a lovely little photo opportunity. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a chance for a little bit of a nostalgia hit,

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<v Speaker 1>which means the media going to go along and follow.

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<v Speaker 1>He pours a beer, make the statement that we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to freeze beer taxes for the next two years.

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<v Speaker 1>The media, the media who should know better, do no better.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how they reacted to it. Michael, you would

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<v Speaker 1>love this coverage for a liberal candidate roll tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look in an early gift to himself and voters,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albanesi announcing a temporary pause to the draft beer excise.

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<v Speaker 6>Anthony Albanzi announces he'll freeze the tax on draft beer

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<v Speaker 6>for two years from August.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you why this pieced me off, because this bloke,

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<v Speaker 1>in the three years he's been Prime Minister, has put

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<v Speaker 1>up beer taxes at least twice. The Brewers Association, this

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<v Speaker 1>is from their website, says that the record beert tax

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<v Speaker 1>increase from the first of August twenty two fest to

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty three is damaging Australian pubs and clubs. The

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<v Speaker 1>increase in be attacks on February one, twenty three meant

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<v Speaker 1>that beer taxes beer prices have gone up by eight

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<v Speaker 1>cents in the past six months. Australians are now paying

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<v Speaker 1>twenty dollars for every slab of beer and about ninety

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<v Speaker 1>cents for every pint. What I find amazing, Michael, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the bloke who has put the taxes up on

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<v Speaker 1>beer every chance he's got in this term gets credit

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<v Speaker 1>from the media for promising not to do it in

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<v Speaker 1>the next term. Now that's because the media are more

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<v Speaker 1>than happy as always to give the benefit of the government.

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<v Speaker 1>But where the hell was the opposition making the point

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<v Speaker 1>that I am making on television on Sunday night. Where

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<v Speaker 1>were they pushing back because the fact that he got

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<v Speaker 1>that rails run because look at the pictures of Hawkey

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<v Speaker 1>is a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I don't know whether where I was out for dinner,

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<v Speaker 11>so I mister Paul might have been there, but I'm

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<v Speaker 11>not sure what they said, A bit like I saw

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<v Speaker 11>missing your trip to Vegas. By the way, we're still

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<v Speaker 11>we're still ready to go, mate, but I think the

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<v Speaker 11>trip's over look. This is this is this is a

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<v Speaker 11>one day story. Okay, this is not anything substantial for election.

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<v Speaker 11>Elections tend to run on themes. Right, you can win

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<v Speaker 11>one day's press.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>The one thing a politics you can never do is

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<v Speaker 11>is you know, think that if I win the day's press.

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<v Speaker 11>I won the war, and I've seen so many politicians

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<v Speaker 11>believe that there are thematics to elections. Right, what is

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<v Speaker 11>the thematic about this election?

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<v Speaker 1>Mate?

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<v Speaker 11>The thematic is simply this. I boil it down to

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<v Speaker 11>this simple question. Do I think a majority of Australians

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<v Speaker 11>want the next three years to be like the last

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<v Speaker 11>three years? Right? That is the only question that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>The beer tax? Mate?

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<v Speaker 11>Is is you know like yesterday's newspapers. That's the only

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<v Speaker 11>thing that matters made And I.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, but you know, sorry, go on, no, no, I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>because my point on this is is that when you

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<v Speaker 1>add a day on top of a day, on top

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<v Speaker 1>of a day on top of a day, then it

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<v Speaker 1>means you get to turn around and say, hey, look

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<v Speaker 1>at all of this stuff. Right, The immediate response should

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<v Speaker 1>be with such aggression to cool out the bs, to say,

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<v Speaker 1>now he wants a present when he's made your pint.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more expensive. Did you know that every time you

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<v Speaker 1>buy a slaber beer, twenty dollars of that is tax

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<v Speaker 1>for elbow And that has to be the arm wrestle

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<v Speaker 1>of each and every day. And because that's my point,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that when you're going to sit and have

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<v Speaker 1>focus groups in a week's time, and the Prime Minister says, now,

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<v Speaker 1>even though the detail of a tax cut was fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a week for people in and around forty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars right, even though the reality of the power price

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<v Speaker 1>thing is it's twenty five dollars a month. Even though

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<v Speaker 1>the reality of the beer situation is that we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a few cents into the future. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>point to it as a list of things when the

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<v Speaker 1>opposition doesn't have a list of anything. That's my point.

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<v Speaker 10>The absence a lot of an alternity absolutely. I mean

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<v Speaker 10>having said that, I mean the promise to freeze the

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<v Speaker 10>tax now, the medicare announcement. Now, when we talked about

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<v Speaker 10>is they know why there's an election, so you know,

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 10>they are very cynical and they think that this is

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<v Speaker 10>all about just trying to get their vote. What's missing

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 10>is going to your broader point, and that is what's

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 10>missing is an alternative. He's done offering an alternative. Is

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 10>Dutton's plan going to be different? Is Dutton's plan going

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<v Speaker 10>to offer a different world compared to the last three

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 10>years the people have experienced And so far we're hearing crickets, right,

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 10>So all he has to do is stump up a

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<v Speaker 10>plan and particularly run the economy. And if it does that,

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<v Speaker 10>maybe some of these stunts won't work. But if in

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 10>absence of that, it'll just keep running along. And yes,

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 10>you'll keep building a momentum. But it's really up to

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<v Speaker 10>Peter Dunton and actually stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>As I say, we are observers, not participants, are right,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know advice is free and all the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and it's worth what they pay for. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a passionate observer, you can see when

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<v Speaker 1>momentum starts to move and it is very hard to

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<v Speaker 1>flip it back. All right, Yes, this is giant percentage

0:25:57.960 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>of people who won't pay attention. All the rest of

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 1>it is eventually when the zeitgeist changes. And what a

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<v Speaker 1>week is a long time in politics, imagine what you

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<v Speaker 1>know at least four or five six weeks might end

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<v Speaker 1>up being so because about when you have a chat

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to people about these promises and multi billion this and that.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons why they might want to avoid

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>a budget is because they don't want to show the numbers.

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>The reality of many of these things is as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as I hear the word investment, it's code for off

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 1>budget money, which is how they hired the actual spending here.

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<v Speaker 1>But to Michael's point, which was, you know, it proved

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<v Speaker 1>electorally successful in the short term, but in the long

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>term it becomes disastrous. Victoria is now the worst place

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 1>for the Labor Party around the country. You know, a

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>huge difference in two party preferred they're compared to anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>So once, you know, once the bill comes in, people

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<v Speaker 1>have the Harry hits. But until the bill comes in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they might they might think somehow this has

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<v Speaker 1>all been pre budgeted for. Does anyone in your focus

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>groups say where is the money coming from? Because it

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>feels like that's an essential question that Labor wants to

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>ask of the opposition, but somebody should be asking it

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<v Speaker 1>of the government.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, look in the two big states, it's is still

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<v Speaker 10>a very sensitive point and it wasn't a few years ago. So,

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 10>you know, going back to Michael's point about a strategy

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<v Speaker 10>in twenty eighteen in Victoria from the Andres government. At

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 10>that time, you know, the economy was bubbling along really

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 10>well and people work. We didn't have much personal pain

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 10>when it came to their own economic situation because of

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 10>now the inflationary crisis and everything that everyone's going through.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 10>They are acutely aware of what happens when governments run

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 10>out of money, particularly Victoria. So in Victoria, yes, our

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 10>pole does indicate a tightening of the race, but based

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 10>on the numbers that we're seeing in Victoria, labor's still

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 10>heading for an absolute wipeout in that state at a

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 10>better level. That's mainly because of the state budget, but

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 10>also obviously people have been a lot more a tune

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 10>in that state to what happens when you're not careful

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 10>with the budget, and so hence I think some of

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 10>the promises that are going on right now at a

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<v Speaker 10>federal level won't fix the problem labor has in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 10>which is up to six seats.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and what about the scenario with the Victorian government,

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Michael this weekend. They're big and bold and brilliant. Idea

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>is to let school age children where ankle monitors, because

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>they may well have been found guilty of crimes, will

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>be going through the justice system, and not to go

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to a special school for the naughty kids. No, no,

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>they sit in the same classroom as your kids, all right,

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>So I know that the album Easy System would basically

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>like the Victorian government to just go storm, go on holidays,

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 1>go for a bender in Vegas. I didn't go for

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>a bender in Vegas, but you get the point, right,

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>bugger off for forty four days because seriously, to see

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that announcement and again it adds to bugger this Victoria labor.

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.479
<v Speaker 1>And I get what the posters will be, you know,

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>a black and white foddo with Albo and Allen and

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<v Speaker 1>send the message about I get all of that. But

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:57.959
<v Speaker 1>let's have a look at some of these seats, particularly

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in around Victoria, because those numbers what James Campbell also

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>focused in on today when he was writing about this poll,

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>which is Aston Chisholm McEwen, Bruce, Dunkley, Hawk, Karngamite and

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Holt the first of that group. If we can show them,

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>guys are the ones that are on track to lose.

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Be great to see Julian Hill bye bye. But let's

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>see and let's have a look here at some of

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>those other ones. But that's the picture in Victoria. So

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>what are you seeing there and what's missing off the

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>list there? Michael?

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<v Speaker 11>So we won nine seats from Lavery nineteen ninety. I'm

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 11>just looking at that list the nineteen ninety we won Aston,

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 11>we won Chisholm, we won McEwen. I think we won Dunky.

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 11>We also warn Coronella, Ballarat, Bendy Go and a couple

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 11>of others as well. So it's possible there's another two

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 11>or three there in addition to those five that they've

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 11>got there. So what's happening in Victoria is this The

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 11>public here have woken up to debt A right causes

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 11>right in eighteen it wasn't such a big deal. But

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 11>Andrews spent one hundred billion defeating Matthew Guy in eighteen

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 11>and twenty two, and people thought, this guy Andrews is

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 11>a strong leader. Money's free, it's no problem. We canna

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 11>have a hospital. We're going to have everything here in Victoria.

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 11>That's what Andrews said. Fast forward to twenty twenty four,

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 11>people are now saying hang on. When Dennis Napthlin left

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 11>office in two thousand and forty, in the last Liberal premiere,

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 11>state debt was twenty billion, two zero. Soon it's going

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 11>to be one hundred and eighty eight billion. So people

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 11>who have now worked out hang on labor basically bankrupt

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 11>us in Victoria. I mean this just Cinder Allen and

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 11>Daniel Andrews have bankrotered us to the point where Ja

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 11>Cindra Allen made our premier. Yere, I don't know who

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.479
<v Speaker 11>you've caught up with this. She's going to start our

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 11>own doze here in Victoria. She's sacking three thousand public

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 11>servants because the public service is too big. She's got

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 11>to save money, so she's sacking three thousand public servants.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 11>So effectively, what's happening in the foundation of Albanesi's problems

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 11>Victoria is the massive unpopularity of the state labor government,

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 11>very similar to nineteen ninety when a massively unpopular labor government.

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 11>Cane Kern, who'd also bankrubb to Victoria and Jeff Kennett

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 11>now on Stockdale had to fix it up very similar circumstances,

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 11>and so you know there was a five point one

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 11>percent swing against labor in the nineteen ninety election. Here

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 11>in Victoria, I noticed cousin Tony Barry stats have got

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 11>an eight and a half. Helloloja, I hope you're right there, mate,

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 11>because they could catapult Dutton into the prime minister ship

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 11>on his own eight and a half percent though that

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 11>is a very big number in a general election. That's

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 11>a massive number in a general election, so I hope,

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 11>but yeah, Dutton can do very well here.

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Now again the joy by the way of this between

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<v Speaker 1>now and the election, and may he delayed as long

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>as long as he wants two segments of stair the

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>race on Sunday nights. I can't get enough. We're counting

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the grains of sand. It's one for the super nerds,

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it's one for the political nutbags like myself, and we

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.239
<v Speaker 1>are going to go in hard with these fellows all

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the way the next way through, all right. So I

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:55.719
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about, say the set of Dunkley as

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<v Speaker 1>an example of what is being counted as it may be,

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>but what the reality of what would have to change. Now.

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I know there's a difference between a general election number

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>and a by election number, but the margin of difference

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>between on two party preferred the Liberal Party and the

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Labor Party in the seat of Dunkley is nine hundred

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and twenty six people. So because when you are looking

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>at the stats and the numbers inside the numbers, inside

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the numbers, when we see a one point here or

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>a one point there, when you've got something like five

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>thousand people who need to change their mind in any

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>one seat. Is one point enough for that? I know

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.959
<v Speaker 1>it's different in different states. I know that. You know

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the electric size is very different in Tasmania to Victoria.

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>But if you want to start to at home be

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>an amateur sort of predictor here if a one point change,

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>would that be enough for nine hundred and twenty six

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>votes to change?

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 10>Yeah? See Melbourne and it is Melbourne, you know this

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 10>is where all the action is.

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Going to be.

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 10>Malve's a really peculiar place when it comes to an

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 10>electric politics these days. So in the West Labor could

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 10>lose a stack of oats and it will just spray

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 10>to minor parties like I did at the wear of

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 10>your by election, and there will be some increase in

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 10>the Coalish and primary, but it won't be enough. Yes, However,

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 10>in a seat like Dunkley in the southeastern parts of Melbourne,

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 10>those people had a longer history of owning Liberal either

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 10>their parents did or they have sometimes in their past.

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Good point, so.

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 10>The Liberal primary the ceiling is much higher, or the

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 10>floor is much much higher, so the Labour's primary can

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 10>collapse and spray to minor parties and the Colason you

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 10>can only get five percent. That's enough, that's.

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>All you need.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 10>So you know we're seeing swings of ten percent on

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 10>primary vote in some of these southeastern seats at the moment.

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 10>Now you know, if you transport that over to the

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 10>West of Melbourne, that could still.

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Be okay for labor.

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 10>But in the East, the seat like Dunky, it's curtains.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 10>So that's the fundamentally that is the problem, and that

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 10>is that the coalition will be in the forties. Labor

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 10>will be in the thirties, probably in the low thirties

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 10>in some of these seats unless something drastically happens out

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 10>of there the course of the camp well.

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Also hence why my little idea, my little campaign idea, right,

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>which is the posters not just of the face and

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.399
<v Speaker 1>the name, but in the seat of Dunky, mortgages cost

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>x thousand dollars under elbow. Why does that matter? Because

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine percent of people own a house, twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>percent rental house and above national average. Forty one percent

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>of people have a mortgage. Rest of Victoria thirty six,

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 1>rest of the country thirty five. That's why it matters,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, not just cost of a living, but that

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>mortgage thing matters. Okay, pay attention. We're counting the grains

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of the sand and we're currently up to four five

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and twenty five in just this one little handful. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>quick break back with more here on Paul Murray life. Rosa.

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<v Speaker 1>Marris is the man behind the Red Bridge organization. They know,

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<v Speaker 1>just do polling. They're doing rolling polling, they're doing also

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>focus group. He's got plenty of insights and lots of data.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we love the data. That is the brick

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<v Speaker 1>in the wall that we build here. The opinion is

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the mortar. The man to help us with all of

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<v Speaker 1>that is a great Michael Kroger, who's coming to Vegas

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>when we go next year for as long as I

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<v Speaker 1>possibly can. All Right, so be couse. I haven't read

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<v Speaker 1>much about this, but I'm going to ask about the

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<v Speaker 1>teals because Michael is as always on the edge of

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>his seat to see if there's any indication anywhere of

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a change, because if there is, then

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<v Speaker 1>that's a couple more For the Libs. What if anything,

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<v Speaker 1>are you seeing at this moment in the second phase

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<v Speaker 1>of your polling, and it will happen every couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and then every week during the campaign about Teals.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, this is an interesting question, right because we're focusing

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<v Speaker 10>on the Labor Coalition contest, but there's going to be

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<v Speaker 10>another contest. There's going to have an enormous impact on

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<v Speaker 10>who gets to about seventy to seventy one seats because

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<v Speaker 10>at the moment both majors are not getting seventy six

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 10>and obviously this is the largest group of the Teal

0:35:56.160 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 10>independence so where could they possibly blulue seats? So we're

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 10>looking at a seat like Curtain in Perth, and we're

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 10>looking at a seat like Goldstein in Melbourne where the

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<v Speaker 10>numbers are very tight, and that's where if there's something

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<v Speaker 10>going to happen and the the political order will flip,

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 10>it will be there. However, in seat like Bradfield in Sydney,

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 10>Tills could pick up a seat. I agree, right, And

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 10>the don't don't let's not ignore the federal seat of Monash.

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<v Speaker 10>The Russell Broadbands running it is an independent and there's

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<v Speaker 10>a Till independent run there as well, and they're exchanging preferences.

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 10>So it's going to be an interesting contest because it's

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 10>so there's a there's another war going on, and it's

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 10>on the flanks, and that's that's for the liberal versus

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 10>independent contest. But obviously we can talk about the green

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<v Speaker 10>side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Too well and again, and there's there's deeper data, deeper

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<v Speaker 1>information that's not been published. I'm not going to make

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<v Speaker 1>reference to it with any greater specificity than this. In

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<v Speaker 1>six of the twenty seats that you are following, the

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<v Speaker 1>other vote is above twenty percent. In some of them

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<v Speaker 1>it's twenty five twenty six. That is extraordinary that a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of the electorate. Now other does mean and you've

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<v Speaker 1>already got Greens, so this is outside of labor liberal Greens.

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.439
<v Speaker 1>And again in places like Queensland that might be one nation,

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>we know that they're running nationally in things like Newspole

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<v Speaker 1>it's something like nine percent, right, so that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a factor the UAP or Trumpet's thing. Will

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<v Speaker 1>all see what happens that other number. When you I

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<v Speaker 1>mean again, you can't, you're not going to bend the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers we try to understand them. Does other also mean undecided?

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<v Speaker 1>When we are talking about looking at some poles at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment that clearly there's not going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five percent vote in places that are very traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>red or blue.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, it could be right, And so I mean at

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<v Speaker 10>the last S election we had five point two million

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<v Speaker 10>people who didn't vote for the majors. But what we're

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<v Speaker 10>picking up is an incredibly soft vote, incredibly sizable soft vote,

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<v Speaker 10>particularly within Labour's base. So though the polls are our y,

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<v Speaker 10>the primary vote for particular Labor, but also to a

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 10>lesser extent the coalition is extremely soft. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 10>of voters that are just looking for something else to

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<v Speaker 10>do with their vote. And this is where I think

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 10>the election campaign could actually impact. You know, normally I

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<v Speaker 10>would go to the down the doctrine of running a

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<v Speaker 10>campaign for three months, because you know, you can't change

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<v Speaker 10>the result in thirty days. But in this instance, there's

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<v Speaker 10>so many people up for grabs that I think you

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<v Speaker 10>can so he That's why I think the next thirty

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<v Speaker 10>odd days or whenever that is, are going to be

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<v Speaker 10>actually absolutely critical for the result.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's talk about that. If you're running the machine,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to trying to tighten up your voters, Michael,

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>how does a party do that?

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<v Speaker 11>So Mate, the messages have to be strong, and the

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<v Speaker 11>leadership has to be strong, and the negative camp painting

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 11>has to be strong. You know, occasionally there will be

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<v Speaker 11>a time where you float into government because the previous

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 11>government has expired, right, their time has expired, like like

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 11>the Howard government did in two thousand and seven, Like

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<v Speaker 11>you know, the South Australian government did after sixteen years,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, you know, in the same hawk keeping expired

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<v Speaker 11>in nineteen ninety six, et cetera, et cetera. So what

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 11>you don't want, though, at a federal level is after

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 11>one term to be thinking that way, because that's not

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<v Speaker 11>what happens. You have to will people to vote for you,

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 11>and you have to get them to vote against the

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<v Speaker 11>other mob. Now, I think so much damage has been

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<v Speaker 11>done by Alban easy to himself into his government with

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 11>Wong and Bowen and all these characters, and I think

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 11>you've got a weak treasurer. I think I think they're

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 11>very vulnerable from their own performance. I mean, no one

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 11>is saying it's been a great labor government. I mean,

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 11>no one says that, right, No one says this is

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<v Speaker 11>a hawk style government of you know, vote for them

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<v Speaker 11>on the other and what does the opposition have to do.

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<v Speaker 11>The opposition has to give people a very strong alternative. Now,

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<v Speaker 11>Dutton has been very good. The reason Dunton gets a

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 11>lot of plaudits and the reason he's in front of

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<v Speaker 11>the polls is unlike a lot of politicians, he's actually

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<v Speaker 11>had the courage to come out and say, I think

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 11>we should have nuclear power in Australia. Very courageous policy.

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.720
<v Speaker 11>He's right, but god, it takes a lot of courage.

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 11>I mean, if I think back to the Liberal leaders

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 11>and others who've not been that strong on this issue.

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 11>Very strong in immigration, right, very strong on Israel, very

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 11>strong in government spending right. Dutton has given. Dunton has

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<v Speaker 11>given a definition of who he is right and people

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.400
<v Speaker 11>know his background as a policemen, etc. So the answer

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<v Speaker 11>to your question is, going forward to the election, more

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 11>very strong messages on issues that are of relevance to people. So,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, whilst you say Labor's had momentum over the

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<v Speaker 11>last week, and I think that's fair to say, I'm

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<v Speaker 11>absolutely certain that there's a lot of firepower in Dutton's locker.

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<v Speaker 11>The other thing, just to what cause was saying, sorry, sorry,

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<v Speaker 11>Paul Kuyong Tu, you on the Teal sets Will were fascinating.

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<v Speaker 11>So three years ago in twenty twenty two, the two

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<v Speaker 11>compelling reasons were three reasons where it wasn't the Morrison

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<v Speaker 11>government we'd been there for nine years blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 11>but global warming and anti corruption where the big issues

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 11>the Teals ran on. Now the Anti Corruption Commission is in,

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<v Speaker 11>that's a zero issue. Global warming is now the major

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<v Speaker 11>issue for in causes. Servage was fascinating today in the paper.

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<v Speaker 11>Global warming is now only the main priority for seven

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<v Speaker 11>percent of the electric So I'm wondering how that's going

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<v Speaker 11>to affect the Teal vote. I mean, if you've got

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<v Speaker 11>labor vote down the three big issues the Teal ran on,

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<v Speaker 11>Morrison's gone any Corruption's not an issue, global warming seven percent?

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<v Speaker 11>Doesn't that mean the Teals are in trouble in some

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<v Speaker 11>of these seats. Seriously?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, because I'm imagining part of it is is the

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<v Speaker 1>difference in the genders, right, Okay, so the Libs are

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>leading by such a margin with the blokes. The Left

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.479
<v Speaker 1>is leading with women. This of course was the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Harris thing. Right, there are more women voting than men,

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 1>so therefore we're going to win well guess what greater

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>break of men than Trump wins.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and there's still a lot of double heaters, as

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 10>we would like to define him in his country, a

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 10>lot of people who just don't like the majors anymore.

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 10>They're different inner parts of our art cities. So progressive

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 10>minded individuals are opting for those till independents, but now

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 10>the suburbs opting for minor partners and in increasing numbers.

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 10>You know, there isn't a Trump personality present in this country.

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<v Speaker 10>One that, you know, is something that I think some

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 10>of these Australians will vote for, and hence they a

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 10>lot of these voters are now just shopping around looking

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 10>for an alternative, can't quite find one. Some which just

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 10>end up voting for the majors because that's all they

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.840
<v Speaker 10>think they can do. Some will vote for independence and

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 10>minor parties. So the appetite, therefroent for something other than

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 10>the Coles and wo Worths of politics is huge. It's

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.839
<v Speaker 10>just that there isn't really allowed a stage for any

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.840
<v Speaker 10>any of that sort of hunger, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, Thank you labs. I love our chats and

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 1>especially the longer versions. By the way, Michael, don't worry.

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:10.799
<v Speaker 1>I think that their momentum is just an idling car

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>rolling slightly forward, but I want them going backwards. All right,

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>all right, thank you lads, We'll do it, will so

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you could get next week, all right, in a moment's time.

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Trump, for those that need a little reset,

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 1>why does Trump have the problem with Zelensky? Why doesn't

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 1>he want to spend more money in Ukraine? I'll explain

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>why next, all right. What you may have noticed a

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:33.959
<v Speaker 1>couple of stories over the weekend about a little meeting

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>between the presidents of the United States and Ukraine didn't

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>end well, so much so that the President of Ukraine

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>was booted out of the White House, ended up leaving

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the country, and as we speak, is in the arms

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>of the UK. It looks like Trump will move on

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 1>with basically completely moving away from all support that's previously

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.760
<v Speaker 1>been there for Ukraine. Kelly Jane Torrens is an excellent

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>writer with The New York Post. She's across all of this,

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 1>all the ups, all the downs. Her newspaper has had

0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>a Ukrainian flag on its front page at many times. So,

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Jane, how do you feel about what we all

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.839
<v Speaker 1>saw with our own eyes about a day ago.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm pretty depressed, Paul. I have to be honest with you,

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 12>and I say that as someone who is a huge

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 12>supporter of Ukraine. You know, I went there in the

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 12>summer of twenty twenty three when it was starting its

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 12>counter offensive against Russia, and I went there on my own,

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 12>actually I used vacation time, and of course wrote about it.

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 12>But it's an issue near and dear to my heart,

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 12>and it's depressing to me how much damage was done

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 12>to Ukraine in less than an hour with this meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you think is most of fault in the meeting?

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<v Speaker 1>I know that the pressure that was building up all

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the rest of it, but it felt like Zelensky had

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>been frustrated for some time. He decided to speak in

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>a certain series of metaphors. Trump then didn't like the metaphors,

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and then Vance kind of takes it to the next level.

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>You're gambling with world War three. You're gambling with World

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 1>War three, and what you're doing is very disrespectful to

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the country this country. Have you said thank you once

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:11.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times?

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 8>No, you said you went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.239
<v Speaker 8>the opposition in October.

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Offer some words of appreciation for the United.

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.280
<v Speaker 8>States of America and the president who's trying to save

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 8>your country. If you didn't have our military equipment, if

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 8>you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 8>been over in two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>In three days, I heard it from Putin in three days.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you blind, if anyone for what happened?

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 12>Well, as you say, Paul Zelenski was clearly irritated, and

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:50.360
<v Speaker 12>he wore those emotions on his sleeve. It was incredible

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 12>to see how obviously angry and irritated he was, and

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 12>he wasn't making any attempt to hide those emotions. I mean,

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 12>this was a high stakes meeting. I can't say I'm

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.399
<v Speaker 12>you know, was very impressed with some of the things jd.

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 12>Vance said, and I don't think he acted as well

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<v Speaker 12>as he could have. And I think Donald Trump should

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<v Speaker 12>have really done all the talking. But I do place

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<v Speaker 12>the blame unfortunately. I hate to say this, but it's

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<v Speaker 12>en Volodimir Zelenski. He this meeting was crucial to him,

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<v Speaker 12>and he'd been coached I am told by a number

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<v Speaker 12>of Republicans in Congress and and other friends of Ukraine

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<v Speaker 12>on the on the right how to handle this meeting,

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<v Speaker 12>and what he needed to do was smile, say thank you,

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<v Speaker 12>shake hands, and sign this mineral deal. Uh, it was

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<v Speaker 12>not really that much of a of a stretch. You know,

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<v Speaker 12>I get it in the moment, you get angry, you

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<v Speaker 12>get irritated. Yeah, but you know what you're You're the

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<v Speaker 12>president of a country at war. You need to hold

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<v Speaker 12>on to those emotions inside and outwardly do what's best

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<v Speaker 12>for your country and really for the world in holding

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<v Speaker 12>Russia at bay. And he utterly failed. And everyone I know,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, it's just so disappointed with what happened. You know,

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<v Speaker 12>even people I know that placed the blame on Vans

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<v Speaker 12>or Trump, even they admit Zelenski did not handle himself

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<v Speaker 12>well at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely. Now, now I've been talking about this all night.

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<v Speaker 1>That part of our conversation here was to explain how

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<v Speaker 1>we got here from the Trump and Magaworld point of view. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that Russia invaded Ukraine, but also we know

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<v Speaker 1>that there are people who were very frustrated about tens

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<v Speaker 1>of and hundreds of billions of dollars that Biden was

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<v Speaker 1>giving to a country that, prior to being invaded by Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>was considered to be a fairly corrupt place, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>accounting in and around that money. But also it feels

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<v Speaker 1>to me like some of the feeling about Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Magaworld has nothing to do with Ukraine and it connects

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<v Speaker 1>back to trillions of dollars in Iraq and trillions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in Afghanistan. Can you, again help explain to people

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<v Speaker 1>watching in little old Australia, how did we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where the American president feels how he feels

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<v Speaker 1>about a country that's been invited by what I lost

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:14.720
<v Speaker 1>time checked was an enemy Russia.

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<v Speaker 12>Well that's a great insight, Paul, and it really does

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<v Speaker 12>help to explain a lot about how Americans, and especially

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<v Speaker 12>a lot of those who voted for President Trump, and

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<v Speaker 12>again that was more than half the country, the half

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.840
<v Speaker 12>of voters feel because, yeah, we've had so many long

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<v Speaker 12>and really disastrous wars in the last decades here in America,

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<v Speaker 12>and you know, utter failures. You spent all that money

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<v Speaker 12>and again blood and treasure, blood meeting the you know,

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 12>Americans died in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and you know what

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<v Speaker 12>happened was not what was supposed to happen those countries clearly,

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<v Speaker 12>And you look at Afghanistan. What a real disaster that

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<v Speaker 12>has been for the people there as well, not just

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 12>for the Americans who died. And you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 12>phrase he used here a lot forever wars, and so

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<v Speaker 12>you know, the American people are tired of war and

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<v Speaker 12>they're skeptical of spending their money for foreign wars. And

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<v Speaker 12>I do also put some of the blame on President Biden.

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<v Speaker 12>He did not sell aid to Ukraine well at all.

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<v Speaker 12>He really didn't. He didn't. You know, this really deserved

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<v Speaker 12>a prime time address from the president. Listen. You know,

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<v Speaker 12>one of our allies has been attacked by one of

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<v Speaker 12>our biggest enemies, and this is why we need to

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<v Speaker 12>help them, and this is what we're going to do,

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<v Speaker 12>and this is how and this is again something by

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<v Speaker 12>never never spoke to, how to help Ukraine actually achieve

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<v Speaker 12>victory and not just a stalemate, which is sort of

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<v Speaker 12>the situation we've ended up. It's really terrible, you know.

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<v Speaker 12>And my paper New York Post, you know, begged by

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<v Speaker 12>many times please sell this war, our support to Ukraine

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<v Speaker 12>and this better than he did. He did not. And

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<v Speaker 12>so you've got all of those things coming together. And

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<v Speaker 12>of course, you know President Trump was just elected, and

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<v Speaker 12>he did say he was going to end this now.

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<v Speaker 12>He did not end it on day one as he promised,

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<v Speaker 12>but of course even he, I'm sure knew that was

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<v Speaker 12>an impossible feat. He's got to bring these parties together,

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<v Speaker 12>he's got to get deals made, negotiations done. But he

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<v Speaker 12>did make a promise to end it quickly, and the

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.760
<v Speaker 12>American people voted for that. And so this is all

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<v Speaker 12>all in the background of what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly, Jane and suggod to talk to you. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 1>it's under these circumstances. We look forward to her reading

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and understanding America in the pages of the New

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>York Post. All of this money.

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<v Speaker 12>Thanks Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our show for tonight. May I just quickly say

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<v Speaker 1>happy birthday to my little brother Jason. He has a

0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:43.319
<v Speaker 1>better man that I could ever dream of being. He

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>is a wonderful father, a great husband, and just a

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 1>spectacular bloke. Happy birthday, man,