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Speaker 1: Appoche production. There was a big gay dance party on

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Speaker 1: at moor Park.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what it's called, but the manager at

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Speaker 2: the time it was this evil motherfucker. I don't mind

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Speaker 2: naming him, Trevor. You can fuck yourself if he's still alive.

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Speaker 2: Fucking hated him. He came in and he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a big night. You know you're going to

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Speaker 1: get ready for the night. It's a big, big bit

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Speaker 1: dance party.

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Speaker 2: Because once the dance party finishes, everyone goes to Waxas Street,

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Speaker 2: they go to night clubs, they go to club clubs,

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Speaker 2: they go to sex venues, which is what we work.

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Speaker 2: So about seven pm or so, a guy comes up,

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Speaker 2: gets a ticket to the club and then buys a

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Speaker 2: bottle of amial.

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Speaker 1: You know what ammial is.

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Speaker 2: Gay guys use it as like a sex enhancer. If

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Speaker 2: you if you're taking pills and things in your pills

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Speaker 2: starting to wear off, you can sniff and it kind

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Speaker 2: of brings the pill back on, like MDMA, even if

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Speaker 2: you've been doing ones of coke, kind of brings the

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Speaker 2: feeling back on a bit. So that was a pretty

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Speaker 2: popular product with with everyone. This guy comes in, buys

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Speaker 2: a ticket, to the club and a bottle of ammal

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Speaker 2: goes up the back of the shop. Buzz him through

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Speaker 2: the door in off the street the shop. The door

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Speaker 2: to the club was in the shop.

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Speaker 1: Buzz him up.

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Speaker 2: No worries, just whatever's happening up there's happening. Not many

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Speaker 2: guys are up there, maybe two or three. I was

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Speaker 2: just there just reading books, list into music, just doing whatever.

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Speaker 2: And then a guy come sticks his head out the

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Speaker 2: door and says, hey, mate, you better, you better come

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Speaker 2: up here. There's a guy on the ground. And I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: fuck whatever. Like there's always guys on the ground. Usually

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Speaker 2: you just kick him and shake them and they'd wake

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Speaker 2: up and I go yeah, yeah, And then he's like, no, no,

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Speaker 2: had another guy there that was a cleaner Angelo, this

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Speaker 2: Chinese guy said, man, just sit tight, and I locked

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Speaker 2: the till, went up with this dude and went out

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Speaker 2: the back at the top of the Suckatorium and thing

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Speaker 2: I just told you about it. He's in a booth

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Speaker 2: on the ground, pants down, just staring up at the

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Speaker 2: at the roof, and so I sort of I kind

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Speaker 2: of kicked him a bit, and then I was like,

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Speaker 2: fuck like this. You know, normally guys are passed out,

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Speaker 2: they're sort of snoring all their their eyes are shut,

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Speaker 2: and shit, I hadn't seen someone like this that was

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Speaker 2: just like staring, like in a movie, you know, And

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Speaker 2: so I thought, fuck it. I kind of pulled his

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Speaker 2: pants up because his dick and stuff was out, and

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Speaker 2: I thought, I'll just kind of do that as a

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Speaker 2: bit of a courtesy thing, just to you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to touch and pull it away, but I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to fucking pull it up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, fuck, I better and I

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Speaker 2: kind of know what to do because I'm like, fuck,

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Speaker 2: what do I do now? And this other guy that

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Speaker 2: was there, he was concerned, but he wasn't really going

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Speaker 1: But I got my phone and I rang to below.

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'm at this, you know, the dress.

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Speaker 2: I've got this guy here and he's on the ground.

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Speaker 2: He's not moving, I don't think he's breathing. And they go,

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Speaker 2: do you want to give him mouth to mouth?

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Speaker 1: And I said, oh, not really, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: They go, okay, well, if you don't want to do that,

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Speaker 2: can you just pump his chest and we'll get someone there,

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Speaker 2: like straight away sort of thing, and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: well I can do that, I suppose, And so this

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Speaker 2: other dude that was there fucked off. I think he

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Speaker 1: And so I'm there in the dark.

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Speaker 2: I've got this torch on my shoulder, there's pumping music around,

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Speaker 2: there's moaning from the gay pawn that's playing, and I've

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Speaker 2: got this torch shining down and this dude's face as

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Speaker 2: I'm like pumping his chest and I've never done CPR.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to pump this dude to do something

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Speaker 2: and he's just kind of moving and there's this like

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Speaker 2: maybe about a minute or two, I'm just like, fuck

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Speaker 2: this is not working. I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: And then the lights turned on, and then the door

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Speaker 2: came up. The door opened and the ambulance sklies came in,

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Speaker 2: so they came up. The lights turned on by the

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Speaker 2: cleaner downstairs, so they came up, dragged him down until

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Speaker 2: out of the succatorium to a more open area, you know,

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Speaker 2: chopped his shirt, started doing whatever they were doing to him,

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Speaker 2: and I just kind of went and they're like, all right,

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Speaker 2: go downstairs, mate. I just sort of went down to

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Speaker 2: the counter and I was like, like just kind of

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Speaker 2: dude's all right, Like I don't know. He didn't look

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Speaker 2: very all right, you know, Like like I said, I've

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Speaker 2: seen dudes knocked out before and dudes passed out, but

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Speaker 2: it wasn't like that. So within a few minutes, they

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Speaker 2: sort of carried him through the shop on the stretcher

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Speaker 2: someone's working on himself, to other dudes carrying him. And

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Speaker 2: I just thought, okay, well that's that. And I rang

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Speaker 2: the manager, that evil motherfucker, and I said to him, mate,

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Speaker 2: this just happened here. And then he came He was

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Speaker 2: just it was always around, you know, and he came in.

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Speaker 2: He's going, David, this is one of the busiest nights

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Speaker 2: of the year tonight. We need someone to work. If

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Speaker 2: you can't work, you can leave and we'll get some

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Speaker 2: when you hear that can work, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: well no, man, can I can work here. Like I

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, I was like twenty one. I

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Speaker 2: was like a little bit scared, and I mean, really,

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Speaker 2: looking back, I should have said, fuck you can't, I'm

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Speaker 2: of couldn't. I wasn't assertive enough. I hadn't done enough

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Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, yeah, man.

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Speaker 1: Like I can work, I can work. I don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I don't worry. He's going no, no, no, and he goes,

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Speaker 1: did he have what did he have up there? Do

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Speaker 1: you have amial? When I said, yeah, he's got this,

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Speaker 1: it's unopened, and he goes, look, just put it back.

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Speaker 2: We can sell it again, and I'm like, okay, so

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Speaker 2: just put it back in the fridge like it was unopened.

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Speaker 1: So he didn't die from it, I guess.

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Speaker 2: But then Trevor fucked off, and me and Angelo the

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Speaker 2: twenty or so minutes later, the two dollar booths in

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Speaker 2: the private rooms downstairs and office. It was below the counter,

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Speaker 2: so we had a video camera that could look down

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Speaker 2: just in the general area, and I looked down in

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Speaker 2: the camera and it was just filled with cops. Like

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Speaker 2: all cops never came right, cops never came in there.

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Speaker 2: It was filled with cops. And then I was just like,

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Speaker 2: holy fuck, what's going on? And then just as I

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Speaker 1: Place is closed. It's a crime scene. There's been death.

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Speaker 1: And I was like whoa.

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Speaker 2: And then I rang that evil come back, and I go, hey, mate,

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Speaker 2: guess what because I was like when that happened, I go, fuck,

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Speaker 2: should we tell the police?

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Speaker 1: Should we do something?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Should I keep letting people up in the club? And

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Speaker 1: he's like, of course we're going to it's a business

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Speaker 1: night of the year. And I'm like, fucking.

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Speaker 2: Fucking dude might have just died up there. And then

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Speaker 2: that cops like, mate, this is closed. It's a crime scene.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, yes, fuck you. So I rang

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Speaker 2: he's like, oh okay, So we had to come back

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Speaker 2: and I had to give him a statement. The owner

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Speaker 2: was dialing in on his video camera. Because the owner

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Speaker 2: could watch and he rang me up and he was.

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Speaker 1: Actually really good. I liked him. And he was like,

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Speaker 1: how are you right, David, Like how's things?

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Speaker 2: And I go, I'm all right, man, it's just a

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Speaker 2: anything to him that you don't need to say sort

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Speaker 2: of thing. Just tell them what happened, you know, we'll

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Speaker 3: The police when they came through that they have to

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Speaker 3: get everyone out of the boops and all like that.

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Speaker 2: We did. Yeah, well, there was only like two guys

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Speaker 2: It was early on in Saturday evening, so just there

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Speaker 2: But I think probably once it was all happening and

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Speaker 2: the house lights turned on, people are just like, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to be a part of this. They're fucking

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Speaker 2: didn't get too busy. But then yeah, we just gave

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Speaker 2: a thirty seven year old dude from guy mea that

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Speaker 2: I found out later. I talked to one of the

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Speaker 2: cops and I said, like, what are you going to

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Speaker 2: say about it? And they said, I will tell his

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Speaker 3: Probably better than getting found in the secretory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to think. I spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time thinking about, like, how do you own this?

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Speaker 2: How do you.

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Speaker 1: How is this a thing that you're happy to own

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Speaker 1: and be a part of? But what could you work there?

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Speaker 3: That's my thing? Like I would be going home mentally fucked.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly because I was only getting paid fifteen dollars

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Speaker 2: an hour.

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Speaker 1: Fuck, you got caught up in the whole scene.

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Speaker 3: I got caught up and just but like can you

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Speaker 3: imagine going home? Wow, that was a fucking mud shift

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Speaker 3: that one. Fuck you know what I mean? And to

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Speaker 3: clean up that ship, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He cleans up. I didn't clean it that we had

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Speaker 2: clean it's called the backups. They used to get paid

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Speaker 2: eight bucks an hour.

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Speaker 3: Eight Yeah, what I said, did you have a lot

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Speaker 3: of like you know we talked about, but did you

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Speaker 3: have a lot of businessmen all that going.

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Speaker 1: There like that? It would just.

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Speaker 2: Businessmen.

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Speaker 3: Did you know they were doctors? Did you know they

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Speaker 3: were you know some people?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we knew at every at every shop had

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Speaker 2: had everyone, you know, Pitt Street and George Street, they

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Speaker 2: were a bit tamer. And one of the funny things

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Speaker 2: that Pitt Street used to be because people are going

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Speaker 2: there and their lunch breaks. I was thinking about this

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Speaker 2: the other day that the times have changed as well,

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Speaker 2: And at lunchtime there'd be this fucking stack of briefcases

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Speaker 2: One day some guys, I mean, they didn't have we

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Speaker 2: I guess we didn't really have the capacity for people.

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Speaker 2: It's not like Porky's, where you can spend as much

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Speaker 1: The war boys.

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Speaker 2: The war boys were like the male prostitutes you used

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Speaker 2: But there was a few there were still some war

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Speaker 2: when the Cross that's kind of a destination, like you know,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have enough cash, who knows what. This

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Speaker 1: Dude in here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not like you with all the boys

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Speaker 2: of them had knives on them. They'd often steal wallets

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Speaker 2: And then he comes up and he's got a problem

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Speaker 2: with you, saying.

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Speaker 1: I want my money back.

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Speaker 2: He took my wallet, and I'm like, man, it's not

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Speaker 2: But then these war boys that come in. There was

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Speaker 1: Right next door. Oh, Susie cues you know where the

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Speaker 2: So during the day, like during the night that'd be

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Speaker 2: They'd all just sort of sit in the doorstep and

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Speaker 2: They just look fucked and you just say, yep, that's

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Speaker 2: Like I don't care about whatever your problem is, mate,

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Speaker 2: But as I've gotten older and I think back on it,

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