Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. All right,
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Speaker 1: night ahead, including our bold predictions for the week ahead.
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Speaker 1: twenty fifth of May. Now as well, I have been
Speaker 1: banging on and on and all the planning meetings for
Speaker 1: these things. I want to do it outside. I want
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Speaker 1: is Sharn She's of course the mother to my beautiful
Speaker 1: two kids. We have been together since year eleven at school.
Speaker 1: We've been together for a long time, and of course
Speaker 1: she was my favorite person in the world, and then
Speaker 1: as the mother, becomes the favorite person in the world
Speaker 1: to my two beautiful daughters in Asher and Zadi, who
Speaker 1: probably need to go to bed it is a school night.
Speaker 1: So mums are the ones who sacrifice, the ones who
Speaker 1: have to do it all and then a whole lot more.
Speaker 1: And in our house that is beautiful shann me doing
Speaker 1: this job is the greatest professional thrill I had in
Speaker 1: my life. But it means I don't tuck my kids in,
Speaker 1: and it means often I can be sleeping when the
Speaker 1: kids get up in the morning. So she does all
Speaker 1: the hard work and I love her oh so much
Speaker 1: and I will forevermore to my beautiful mum Jude as well,
Speaker 1: love you, Thank you for all of your sacrifices. We
Speaker 1: had a lovely time with Stanley and the team. It
Speaker 1: leaves for Tuna on Friday night, which was fabulous. Happy
Speaker 1: birthday to her, as well, and to all of the
Speaker 1: mums who are the new mums first around, to all
Speaker 1: of those that have seen many a Mother's Day before,
Speaker 1: and also strength and love to all that we think
Speaker 1: about on this particular day because Mum's no longer with us.
Speaker 1: So again, strength and love and happy Mother's Day. What
Speaker 1: a beautiful time it is as we all celebrate and
Speaker 1: love the most important people in our family. Well, of course,
Speaker 1: today was everything from I'll meet you for brunch, I'll
Speaker 1: pick you up, I'll take you for a drive, let's
Speaker 1: go up the mountains. We'll go for a drive, we'll
Speaker 1: have some fish and chips.
Speaker 2: Love.
Speaker 1: Whatever Mum wants to do, we do it, and we
Speaker 1: try to do it in droves. Few other people, well,
Speaker 1: they're a little different than you and I because they're
Speaker 1: up and fight and fit, and they are out and
Speaker 1: about and all around the country people were doing all
Speaker 1: sorts of runs for the mums that they have no
Speaker 1: have lost through things like ovarian and breast cancer, or
Speaker 1: the women who have survived it, or of course the
Speaker 1: men who love those women. Oh, so to everyone who
Speaker 1: was involved in those runs today, again, congratulations to each
Speaker 1: and every one of you, and love to your mums too.
Speaker 3: The wife was diagnosed and she has come through that
Speaker 3: experience very well. So we're celebrating with a runner.
Speaker 4: She walked into our house today and she said, oh,
Speaker 4: they're going for a ten care line.
Speaker 1: Now. One of the unique ways that people have mentioned
Speaker 1: mothers today was by the Defense Force. Good on this
Speaker 1: then normally they do this for say Christmas Day, but
Speaker 1: the Australian Defense Force, via their media organization, has gone
Speaker 1: off and given an opportunity for the people who are
Speaker 1: serving their country and are not able to see their
Speaker 1: mums today, be it from the other part of the
Speaker 1: country or maybe the other side of the world. As
Speaker 1: you can see, they had their chance to say Happy
Speaker 1: Mother's Day, so on their behalf, happy Mother's Day to
Speaker 1: their mums.
Speaker 5: Hey mom, it's me your favorite daughter. Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 1: Love you guys, and thank you so much for your service.
Speaker 1: All right now, I could sit here and do what
Speaker 1: we kind of did maybe too much of last week
Speaker 1: but still relevant, which was to go over the reaction
Speaker 1: to the election. But I'm not going to put you
Speaker 1: through that tonight. Relax, even though I could you all
Speaker 1: of the details from all of the entrials, including the
Speaker 1: ABC who went and found people who said the reason
Speaker 1: they didn't vote for the Liberal Party was because the
Speaker 1: slogan get austrated back on track was too clothes to
Speaker 1: make Astra make America great again. What no back on
Speaker 1: track was a reference to the fact that more than
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the country thinks the country is in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction, the wrong track, but anyway. And then
Speaker 1: there were the people who said that it's all the
Speaker 1: work from home stuff, and that's the reason why they
Speaker 1: decided to invote whatever. You've heard it all before, you've
Speaker 1: also heard almost any and every person with any tangential
Speaker 1: or serious connection of the Liberal Party saying, well, their
Speaker 1: plan is for the next three years, any.
Speaker 6: And all the policies we took to the election we
Speaker 6: will need to review and revisit. It doesn't mean we're
Speaker 6: going to dub them all, but it also doesn't mean
Speaker 6: we automatically keep them.
Speaker 7: There is nothing wrong with the Liberal Party's values, but
Speaker 7: its capacity to project those values through policy, through leadership,
Speaker 7: through through its language, through its offering to the public
Speaker 7: is I think where we let ourselves down.
Speaker 1: Now valuable conversation and one that we have to have
Speaker 1: in droops and drabs over the next three years. But
Speaker 1: I probably rule a line under Okay, that's too much.
Speaker 1: When this person turns up on the ABC and basically, look,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a bet hasn't voted Liberal a
Speaker 1: few elections in her life, but we'll see. And her
Speaker 1: suggestion for how the Liberal Party can turn itself into
Speaker 1: anything but the Liberal Party to save itself from anything
Speaker 1: about the Liberal Party.
Speaker 8: I wish that someone from the Liberal Party would bring
Speaker 8: me in for a day.
Speaker 1: I'd given them a course on something. It'd be very helpful.
Speaker 6: What would you say to them, I would say, wake
Speaker 6: up tomorrow and decide you're the teals.
Speaker 4: Wake up tomorrow and don't just emulate the kind of candidates.
Speaker 8: You pick, but the kind of policies that they.
Speaker 1: Agree on collectively. You need to be socially progressive.
Speaker 8: You are living one hundred years ago and you are
Speaker 8: dreaming of this old Australia that no one in this
Speaker 8: country wants or foresees as the future.
Speaker 1: Look, I get it bad loss too on the Trot
Speaker 1: They did win an election. What in twenty nineteen, you're
Speaker 1: living one hundred All this stuff this is a bit
Speaker 1: like remember in the nineties when all the Howard Hages
Speaker 1: used to talk about the nineteen fifties. The nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: So okay, let me say this about the plan for
Speaker 1: this show going forward. Now, you know I like data.
Speaker 1: When there's data, I'm going to talk about data. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to hide the reality of things. But I'm
Speaker 1: also not going to wallow in things. I get it.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot a few complain emails last week,
Speaker 1: and I always want to be the show that's confident
Speaker 1: and forward facing and fight fight, fight. But we couldn't
Speaker 1: have spent last week pretending that the result wasn't what
Speaker 1: it was. And I'm not going to ignore it for
Speaker 1: the next three years. But let's turn to some positives.
Speaker 1: And regardless of who ends up being the leader, isn't
Speaker 1: it going to be fantastic that you Sto Nampa jimper
Speaker 1: Price will end up as the deputy leader of the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party. Now this is a fascinating move. Now we
Speaker 1: know that there is a lot of trouble with the
Speaker 1: National Party blowing up that she's left a version of
Speaker 1: the National Party to join the Liberal Party, and that
Speaker 1: will mean that presumably she's not going to be running
Speaker 1: for the Senate again in two years. Time. She made
Speaker 1: some references to a coastal community I think in New
Speaker 1: South Wales. I'll double check, so maybe she might be
Speaker 1: coming to the Lower House from something like that in
Speaker 1: three years time. But regardless of who the leader is,
Speaker 1: just JEPI Price looks like she will beat the deputy leader.
Speaker 1: Should be still in this spine and she'll be able
Speaker 1: to argue with anyone anywhere what she believes in. Whether
Speaker 1: this turns an election or not, we'll all find now.
Speaker 1: But if nothing else, that's what you want in your
Speaker 1: political leader, right You want that if you're somebody who's
Speaker 1: a hardcore green, labor liberal or whatever, that you want
Speaker 1: somebody in the leadership structure not to say the things
Speaker 1: that are on double check. Is this going to work?
Speaker 1: Not going to work? Somebody who's going to shoot straight.
Speaker 1: Three examples of her shooting straight today. Number one.
Speaker 8: I have made the decision, and the decision wasn't taken lightly.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm very passionate about our country and the
Speaker 8: direction in which it is going because I've seen how
Speaker 8: socialism has destroyed the lives of those that I love
Speaker 8: in remote communities, and with the Labor government now in
Speaker 8: power for three more years, it is the most marginalized
Speaker 8: who miss out the most, you know, let alone every
Speaker 8: day Australians.
Speaker 7: In all of this.
Speaker 8: And so I guess the fighter in me feels I'm
Speaker 8: obliged to step up.
Speaker 1: Good honor now again. She could be one of these
Speaker 1: people who, like some that were rumored, are going to
Speaker 1: fit it out for a couple of years. Wait, a
Speaker 1: couple of elections, burn the front bench, burn the back bench,
Speaker 1: and then when there's two Liberals left, there'll be the
Speaker 1: one that miraculously will become leader and three years later
Speaker 1: we'll win seventy six seats. No, she's gone with this,
Speaker 1: bugger this, I'm into the fight again. By effectively walking
Speaker 1: away from the National Party the Country Liberal Party, which
Speaker 1: is again aversion of the National Party in the Northern Territory, Well,
Speaker 1: they won't pre select her again to be a senator
Speaker 1: even if she is the deputy leader of the Liberal
Speaker 1: Party because of these internal games. So her putting her
Speaker 1: hand up to say I want to be the deputy
Speaker 1: leader means she can find her way towards a winnable
Speaker 1: seat the next election. Then three years after that, guess
Speaker 1: whom we might be talking about as a potential prime Minister.
Speaker 1: She doesn't miss including about where her own party decided
Speaker 1: to make some choices and win the wrong direction.
Speaker 8: After the result of their referendum, it was evident what
Speaker 8: we needed to do. Instead of looking at the polls
Speaker 8: and thinking, look, we're not going to win this, we
Speaker 8: had to get in there and actually change the narrative,
Speaker 8: lead the narrative in the argument, and also hang around
Speaker 8: the neck of the Prime minister his failings pin his
Speaker 8: lies to him.
Speaker 1: I don't completely agree with that because, as I have
Speaker 1: said before, remember Bob Hawk lost a whole bunch of referenda,
Speaker 1: but he still won a whole bunch of terms. So
Speaker 1: there's not always a straight line, and she's not saying that,
Speaker 1: but there's not a straight line between losing a referendum
Speaker 1: and losing government. But the opportunity to knock off the
Speaker 1: first term government, as historically difficult as that was, well, again,
Speaker 1: most of the country disappeared for the Prime minister, most
Speaker 1: of the country didn't vote a preference one for the
Speaker 1: Labor Party. Most of the country still thinks that we're
Speaker 1: headed in the wrong direction. So those were all vital
Speaker 1: things that seem to have been missed. But she does
Speaker 1: have a preference about who on Tuesday should be the
Speaker 1: leader of the Liberal Party. She's running with the former
Speaker 1: shadow treasurer Angus Taylor.
Speaker 8: He is a pragmatic, deep thinking individual who I would
Speaker 8: absolutely be privileged to serve beside going forward for the
Speaker 8: benefit of the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know what's going to happen inside the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party room. It's hard to work out exactly where
Speaker 1: the factions sit in how many of this and how
Speaker 1: many of that, and what the goldilocks position is here
Speaker 1: after the election, because with just forty seats, even way
Speaker 1: down from the way down of twenty twenty two, it's
Speaker 1: hard to work out exactly who is going to be
Speaker 1: going in which direction. But Susan Lee, she believes that
Speaker 1: she is the best person for the job. She of
Speaker 1: course came forward along with Angus Taylor and did the
Speaker 1: unusual thing because normally it's about talking to your collicus.
Speaker 1: They're the only ones that are going to make the decisions.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what people on TV or radio think
Speaker 1: about this, but they're deciding to include the people and
Speaker 1: doing some videos to kind of make themselves look sort
Speaker 1: of a bit inevitable. Dare I say so?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: Is what Susan Laigh had to say today. Susan Leo
Speaker 1: I should say about why she wants to be the
Speaker 1: next leader of the Liberal Party and thus alternative Prime Minister.
Speaker 9: I've listened. We got it wrong. We need to do
Speaker 9: things differently going forward, and we do need a fresh approach.
Speaker 9: So on Tuesday morning, when the Liberal Party room meets
Speaker 9: in Canberra, I will be putting myself forward for the
Speaker 9: position of Leader of the Federal Party. We do need
Speaker 9: to reflect a modern Liberal party meeting modern Australians in
Speaker 9: every single walk of life across the country.
Speaker 1: As for Angus Taylor, and again, the big move in
Speaker 1: and around your cint nampajinper Price is not just to
Speaker 1: move votes, but also to move expectations that he will
Speaker 1: be next in line. This was his pitch over the weekend.
Speaker 10: This moment demands experience, energy and a plan. Australians want
Speaker 10: more than opposition. They want a real alternative, one that
Speaker 10: understands them, one that earns back their trust. I'm standing
Speaker 10: for leader to make sure we're ready. Let's regroup, rebuild
Speaker 10: and get back in the fight now.
Speaker 1: Yes, over many years I've sat here, been part of
Speaker 1: the fights about the lefties of the Liberal Party or
Speaker 1: the right we have a Liberal Party or the Bedweaders,
Speaker 1: who of course are worried about their own back seats.
Speaker 1: And in many ways, whichever third is left out is
Speaker 1: the one that the media turns to to cause as
Speaker 1: much trouble as possible. Why because they aren't interested in
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party being competitive, let alone winning. So can everyone,
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens on Tuesday, not start a blood
Speaker 1: feud that runs for the next three years, but back
Speaker 1: in whoever wins on Tuesday for the next three years.
Speaker 1: Because Dave Shama puts it.
Speaker 6: Right, and I think it's very important that which whatever
Speaker 6: the outcome is, everyone respects the result, and everyone gets
Speaker 6: behind the new leader and make sure that they have
Speaker 6: the best prospects of success as possible. I know that's
Speaker 6: not going to be easy, but you know, we don't
Speaker 6: have the luxury of being able to tear ourselves apart
Speaker 6: over the next year or two. Our party rems not enough,
Speaker 6: Our level of public support is not high enough to
Speaker 6: indulge ourselves in that way.
Speaker 1: Strong strong, strong point. I might have a little bit
Speaker 1: to say into the future about how the Liberal Party
Speaker 1: can show a little bit more discipline even when yes,
Speaker 1: there will be some MPs that are dissatisfied with the leader,
Speaker 1: but I'll get to that a bit later. But before
Speaker 1: we get to Tuesday, we go through Monday and tomorrow
Speaker 1: is when there will be a decision about the future
Speaker 1: of the National Party. Now, remember they held on to
Speaker 1: all of their seats. But there is an absolute belief
Speaker 1: from people like Matt Canavan that it is time to
Speaker 1: be absolute about anti ned zero, to stand in a
Speaker 1: very strong position and if that even means walking away
Speaker 1: at times from what the Liberals want, then that's what
Speaker 1: they should do. Well, David Little Proud who says no
Speaker 1: greatest strength together while standing up for regional areas. This
Speaker 1: vote happens tomorrow morning, full coverage in the morning and
Speaker 1: throughout the day here on Sky News. For the current leader,
Speaker 1: this is what he's saying publicly this weekend.
Speaker 11: I'm proud of my record. I'm comfortable, mind skin, but
Speaker 11: it's the party room's decision. I'll have those conversations with
Speaker 11: those members of the party room in a respectful way
Speaker 11: and whatever happens happens. But I'm still committed to the
Speaker 11: National Party.
Speaker 1: And as for Matt Canavan, his pitch about why he
Speaker 1: now remember, well, just at an Opjeb Price, we'll be
Speaker 1: running to be deputy Liberal leader. That wouldn't make her
Speaker 1: the deputy Opposition leader. The deputy Opposition leader is always
Speaker 1: the leader of the National Party. Hence why they become
Speaker 1: the deputy prime minister. Not just the deputy Liberal becomes
Speaker 1: the deputy prime minister. This is what Matt Canavan had
Speaker 1: to say in his pitch again the vote tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'm running because I think we have to end the
Speaker 2: tyranny of groupthink in our country. Over the last few years,
Speaker 2: A Paul has come down in our nation, which has
Speaker 2: not allowed the debate, which has seen any kind of
Speaker 2: descent from the prevailing view is somehow disloyal. I think
Speaker 2: austrained people deserve a choice, a proper choice. I don't
Speaker 2: think we got that at the election because I felt,
Speaker 2: especially at the National's Party, we pulled our punches sometimes
Speaker 2: we explicitly decided to turn the volume down on our
Speaker 2: party in an ultimately futile attempt to help the Liberals
Speaker 2: win seats in the city. That strategy didn't work, so
Speaker 2: we need a new plan.
Speaker 1: So Monday's National Party, Tuesday's Liberal Party and who knows
Speaker 1: when the Greens will make their decision about whom their
Speaker 1: next leader is after Adam Bant lost his seat and
Speaker 1: she just didn't this weekend people just stop me in
Speaker 1: the street to express their grief. Well, that race seems
Speaker 1: to be a three way one between Sarah Hanson Young
Speaker 1: who would be the person who spend the most time
Speaker 1: in the parliament, Marine Ferruki who remember, if you attack
Speaker 1: her anything is racist, same way Sarah Hanson Young. I
Speaker 1: can show you the book where she even calls our
Speaker 1: people like me for commenting about her at all, that
Speaker 1: they are sexist. And of course the super woke, super
Speaker 1: lefty current Deputy leader from Queensland, the Rissa Waters. Now,
Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to tell you what any
Speaker 1: of these people had to say about their pitch, or
Speaker 1: if any of these people are actually confirming that they
Speaker 1: are running to be the leader of the party. But
Speaker 1: guess what. The party that claims to be the most
Speaker 1: connected to the people, the most downward democracy, the ones
Speaker 1: who constantly have mass meetings of their party, guess what,
Speaker 1: duck egg, nothing, zero tumbleweed. It's all playing out behind
Speaker 1: closed doors. Remember that next time they lecture any other
Speaker 1: political Party about how they work these people. If they
Speaker 1: have a battle of two, it could well end up
Speaker 1: being voted upon by those MPs. But in every leadership
Speaker 1: change since they became the party that they have become,
Speaker 1: since Bob brown Butt on his past, it is not
Speaker 1: fought over watch this space. On Friday, the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: walked in front of a massive party room. Why because
Speaker 1: there's more than ninety people in there now is MPs
Speaker 1: for the Labor Party. I'll save you the victory moments.
Speaker 1: You can watch that on almost every other version of
Speaker 1: the media right now. But as you know, two ministers
Speaker 1: were dropped from current ministries, one the Attorney General, that
Speaker 1: being Mark Dreyfus, and the Industry and Science Minister Ed Husick.
Speaker 1: He has gone now. I'm sure it doesn't help Ed
Speaker 1: that I publicly say that I like the guy. But
Speaker 1: I like the guy when way back when in opposition,
Speaker 1: we had him on the program often as just a
Speaker 1: backbench Labor MP who was always honest and open about
Speaker 1: his opinions. He was also absolute about his beliefs, which
Speaker 1: means sometimes you come to serious disagreements. But the wonderful
Speaker 1: thing that I like about Ed in particular is that
Speaker 1: he sees the humanity in his political opponents, and when
Speaker 1: you have a conversation away from the microphones, away from
Speaker 1: the cameras, he is a thoroughly decent person. Again, I'm sorry, Ed,
Speaker 1: I know that that puts you into a column with albow,
Speaker 1: but I cannot lie. You're a very good and decent man. Now.
Speaker 1: Mark Dreyfus has of course been Attorney General for some
Speaker 1: period of time. I'm not a fan of how he
Speaker 1: is publicly. I recognized he's had a very difficult private
Speaker 1: life after his wife passed away in the past twelve months,
Speaker 1: So not good on top of all of that to
Speaker 1: be moved on in terms of your political career. Both
Speaker 1: remain labor in pas, but they will not be mens. Well. Today,
Speaker 1: Ed Husick decided to do what very few labour people
Speaker 1: do when the machine rolls over them. He didn't go
Speaker 1: quietly into the night. He had already been booked for
Speaker 1: an interview on the Insiders program with David Spears this
Speaker 1: morning over on the ABC. This was before he was
Speaker 1: dumped as a minister, But rather than pulling out of
Speaker 1: that appearance, he held on to that appearance, which, when
Speaker 1: he was able to speak his mind and it will
Speaker 1: ruffle feathers, it may cost him future career progression. But
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's never going to go down
Speaker 1: without a fight and will always be looking you in
Speaker 1: the eye when the fight is on.
Speaker 12: We've had a sort of bare faced ambition and a
Speaker 12: deputy prime minister wheeled a factional club to reshape the ministry.
Speaker 12: I think when people look at a deputy prime minister,
Speaker 12: they expect to see a statesman, not a factional assassin.
Speaker 1: Now that's a while in terms of all the things
Speaker 1: said about politicians, that's hardly in the outrageous category. But
Speaker 1: for a labor person to criticize another labor person publicly
Speaker 1: while they are serving in the same government, big deal,
Speaker 1: big deal, specifically going after a person who is in
Speaker 1: the leadership structure. Big deal, big deal. Now it says
Speaker 1: that's basically it. He said what he's going to say,
Speaker 1: and he goes off to the back bench, hoping that
Speaker 1: his talents will bring him back to the front bench.
Speaker 1: But we'll all have to wait, watch and see. He
Speaker 1: also goes on here to say the Prime Minister should
Speaker 1: have overruled those who decided to push him out of
Speaker 1: the way because he was a quote unquote valued member
Speaker 1: of the Prime Minister's team.
Speaker 12: The PM had great authority coming out of the election.
Speaker 12: I think if you'd exercise it in a way that
Speaker 12: provided for stability and a strong team that had been
Speaker 12: there and could go forward, no one would have quibbled
Speaker 12: about that.
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you about the role
Speaker 1: of the Prime Minister.
Speaker 12: Do you think he should have intervened or not? Well,
Speaker 12: of course, right like I'm not going to sit here
Speaker 12: with false modesty.
Speaker 1: Of course, for what it's worth it do you are
Speaker 1: always welcome in the man cave. I look forward to
Speaker 1: you being able to do so now as a back
Speaker 1: bench imp will not impress the boss, and I know
Speaker 1: you will still be loyal to the course, but you
Speaker 1: are always welcome here. He's a good bloke. He really
Speaker 1: is at the opposite end of things. Jim Chalmers, the
Speaker 1: man who, well, looking at the result a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, in fact last week, would be saying, how
Speaker 1: good's this. We're back for seventeen terms. The Libs will
Speaker 1: never rule again. We've got them all locked in, which
Speaker 1: means I'm eventually going to take over as leader. But
Speaker 1: that's okay. I'm not in a rush because Albo's going
Speaker 1: to be there for five elections and I can be
Speaker 1: there for five elections. So he's out and about telling
Speaker 1: anyone who'll listened this weekend. Then he needs more than
Speaker 1: two terms to fix the economy, so already banking on
Speaker 1: another election win after this one. I'll be honest, this
Speaker 1: is the sort of stuff that people think is a
Speaker 1: little bit egotastic, a little bit into one's own supply. However,
Speaker 1: no one can pretend that forty is a much smaller
Speaker 1: number than ninety. And even if there's ten seats that
Speaker 1: are dropped at the next election, and why would they
Speaker 1: who knows? That still puts them into a majority plus four,
Speaker 1: so that lose twenty guess what a long way? A
Speaker 1: long way from a change. So Charmers thinks, basically, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the Costello to this blokes Howard.
Speaker 1: But I won't do what Costello did, which was constantly
Speaker 1: run down Howard. I won't find a way to throw
Speaker 1: the leader under the bus. I will be his best
Speaker 1: mate right up until the end, whenever that end will
Speaker 1: be either by the politicians or the people's choosing. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I know. We're not allowed as
Speaker 1: those that didn't vote for the government to criticize the
Speaker 1: government in any way, shape or form, because if we
Speaker 1: do well, of course we're fighting culture wars, or we're
Speaker 1: speaking from one hundred years ago or all that other
Speaker 1: passive aggressive rubbish. No free country. We can still speak
Speaker 1: against power. Believe it or not, it is okay. Just
Speaker 1: a couple of little pieces of information that were happening
Speaker 1: in the Australian economy that clearly didn't affect the election,
Speaker 1: but are an example that while yes they're going to
Speaker 1: say we've turned the corner, and clearly the majority of
Speaker 1: Australians believe that we have turned the corner, that we're
Speaker 1: not all the way around the corner. Yet again from
Speaker 1: that far right wing thing tank what is it? The
Speaker 1: Australian Bureau of Statistics. All household types saw rises in
Speaker 1: quarterly cost of living costs in the March quarter. That's
Speaker 1: according to the Bureau of Statistics. You know, little stuff
Speaker 1: like health, housing and food were main contributors to high
Speaker 1: living costs. The acting the head of Prices and Statistics
Speaker 1: says that the rise in pharmaceutical products, medical and hospital services, electricity.
Speaker 1: But I thought that had gone down. That's apparently what
Speaker 1: the majority of people believe, along with fruit and vegetables
Speaker 1: have contributed to higher living costs for all household types.
Speaker 1: This quarter, households with government payments i e. Those who
Speaker 1: need welfare and get welfare the most. Guess what, they
Speaker 1: saw the largest rise in their cost of living. Yet
Speaker 1: they kept voting for the same people meantime, again just
Speaker 1: to show how they need another seventeen years in power
Speaker 1: to deal with the Australian economy, which we are not
Speaker 1: allowed to criticize, because if we are, we are somehow
Speaker 1: talking down the Australian economy. And the majority of voters
Speaker 1: clearly seemed to suggest that they thought the current mob
Speaker 1: with the better mob to deal with it, or they
Speaker 1: didn't care about these issues. The task in front of
Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers again Australian Bureau of Statistics. The amount of
Speaker 1: money that households have been spending has fallen, so costs
Speaker 1: are spending down. What about building homes because you know,
Speaker 1: like a couple of million people brought into the country
Speaker 1: which they were able to turn into some sort of
Speaker 1: attack on everyone else has ever been brought into the
Speaker 1: country or come to the country rather than you just
Speaker 1: saying it's an extra million people on top of all
Speaker 1: of the other queues that exist in the country. They're
Speaker 1: good at what they do, the Labor Party are they well,
Speaker 1: guess what the number of houses being approved? That also
Speaker 1: felt the total number of dwellings fail eight and a
Speaker 1: bit percent in March. Nothing to see here? What one
Speaker 1: two million people into the country via immigration. Just fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand houses approved in three months? Nothing to see here?
Speaker 1: Thanks for voting for us again, perfect example. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to sit here not sucking my thumb. Game
Speaker 1: recognizes game. Labor is amazing and being able to change
Speaker 1: the subject Labor is amazing at being able to pretend
Speaker 1: that those of us who spoke about whether or not
Speaker 1: you should just keep adding more people to a queue.
Speaker 1: You see, they made it it sound like we were
Speaker 1: criticizing the queue, not the government for adding people to
Speaker 1: the queue, or the reason the queue was as long
Speaker 1: as it was. And guess what, the people in the
Speaker 1: queue bought it. They agreed. It's unbelievable, but it is
Speaker 1: the way it is. And yes, a week on, the
Speaker 1: smile is back, the pep is in our step and
Speaker 1: we will always fight, fight, fight, because that's the way
Speaker 1: that we live, live live, regardless of who is the
Speaker 1: leader of this party or that party, whether they're already
Speaker 1: planning on a third and a fourth term publicly not privately,
Speaker 1: they're saying it publicly. Well, the joy of a free
Speaker 1: country is even if you are the last person left
Speaker 1: who disagrees with the machine that is in charge. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what we will steal? As the band would call itself,
Speaker 1: rage against it all Right, quick break back with more
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Speaker 1: start to get a little bit cool and head our
Speaker 1: way towards winter. Just firing up tonight, though, thanks for watching. Well,
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to see Darren Bunnett in
Speaker 1: the man cave, but perhaps I should read my notes
Speaker 1: from Wonderful Lucy, the wonderful life saving executiveroducer of this program,
Speaker 1: and I would have noticed that Christy McSweeney is here
Speaker 1: as well. Hello one and all look so abating.
Speaker 3: It's a high school reunion.
Speaker 5: I'm so great, isn't it? And isn't it high school terristity?
Speaker 7: It is?
Speaker 5: Indeed, we'll talk about that would have the.
Speaker 13: Whole polay school face. You were just quite, you didn't
Speaker 13: know anything. I love it, Okay. So whatever happens with
Speaker 13: the liberal leadership, just see the damper. Juber Price will
Speaker 13: be the deputy. We haven't heard of anyone suggesting that
Speaker 13: there's going to be a contest there. So it's kind
Speaker 13: of all or nothing in terms of leadership for Susan
Speaker 13: Lee moving from deputy up or Angus Taylor from treasurer
Speaker 13: up Christie. If you want to say which way if
Speaker 13: you would vote, fine, but let's talk about the center
Speaker 13: of it all. Incredibly popular with people who voted for
Speaker 13: the coalition last sea. Yeah, and clearly somebody who was
Speaker 13: effective and can reach beyond that number, as we saw
Speaker 13: when it came.
Speaker 1: To the Voice. So I've got to say I liked
Speaker 1: it either way. When it comes to a leader, that
Speaker 1: you're going to have a person who can sit in
Speaker 1: the man cave or go on Q and A and
Speaker 1: be just as persuasive.
Speaker 4: Look, I think she's fantastic, and I will say uncommon
Speaker 4: to senators. She actually has faced an election of the
Speaker 4: public in local government in the Alice where she's from.
Speaker 4: So and she's also prosecuted the No case, which was
Speaker 4: a mini campaign. Sure, so there's a lot of senators
Speaker 4: putting their two cents in who have never actually Dawn
Speaker 4: often faced the public and ran for general election, and
Speaker 4: she has.
Speaker 5: So I make that point.
Speaker 4: Look, I will also make the point to be Devil's
Speaker 4: advocate here, being in Parliament three years, not in the
Speaker 4: Liberal Party and taking on the role of deputy leader
Speaker 4: is a really difficult cultural bridge to cross. Deputy leadership
Speaker 4: is about the factional issues, the dealings, who's upset with who,
Speaker 4: who's jostling for promotion, issues within the wider coalition diaspora,
Speaker 4: and the deputy leader, whomever it may be, is going
Speaker 4: to have to take a significant role in working with
Speaker 4: the federal director in that root and branch restructure of
Speaker 4: the party. And someone with no cultural history of the
Speaker 4: Liberal Party, I think that's a really big bow to draw.
Speaker 5: So that's all I'll put there.
Speaker 4: That's a risk not taking away from what a wonderful.
Speaker 1: Politician she is, and this is the thing. Right, if
Speaker 1: you watch your show for long enough, you know on
Speaker 1: nights like this we'll be having conversations like this. It's
Speaker 1: not about advocacy for one thing or the other. It's
Speaker 1: about understanding all of those things so that if one
Speaker 1: thing happens, you can start to put to an two together. Right. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: I thought when just into namperjiper Price was on with
Speaker 1: the Outsiders this morning, I liked what she said about
Speaker 1: the campaign. Thus gone, let me explain why after you
Speaker 1: hear from her.
Speaker 8: We ran an election driven by fear and that should
Speaker 8: never have been the case because the Australian people could
Speaker 8: see that some of us had some wonderful policies, but
Speaker 8: we were stifled from being able to give that message,
Speaker 8: tell Australians what it was we were providing what we
Speaker 8: had on offer and do it with conviction.
Speaker 1: That was a lost opportunity, Jarren. When I was talking
Speaker 1: with Nigel Farag last week and they just had that
Speaker 1: phenomenal result in a completely different voting system. But in
Speaker 1: the local council elections right where think about reform, which
Speaker 1: didn't exist a couple of years ago, has more seats,
Speaker 1: higher percentage of the vote than any other existing political party. Right,
Speaker 1: he talked about the power of being a happy warrior,
Speaker 1: and I think it's such a thing that so many
Speaker 1: politicians need to be reminded. Now I get it, you're
Speaker 1: running for the most serious of jobs. Is not just about,
Speaker 1: you know, giggling and taking the piss all the time,
Speaker 1: but being a happy warrior is really important when you're
Speaker 1: trying to convince people not just that you can be
Speaker 1: the leader, but that you're going to be a decent
Speaker 1: person along the way.
Speaker 3: Right, Look, there's a couple of things to send a
Speaker 3: price in her interview. I think part of the problem
Speaker 3: the fear was provided by someone else. It was provided
Speaker 3: by Trump and look at Farage. Farage, even when Zelenski
Speaker 3: and Trump were in the White House, everyone in the
Speaker 3: British Parliament backed the Ukraine and that included Faraj correctly
Speaker 3: seeing it at the time that the fear in the
Speaker 3: Australian election was provided a little bit by Ukraine but
Speaker 3: a lot. By the day our share market tanked. That
Speaker 3: fear was inserted, whether the Liberal Party liked it or not,
Speaker 3: and it flipped the switch to almost to kind of
Speaker 3: do you want to change horses mid stream to go
Speaker 3: back to the old wag the dog analogy that labor
Speaker 3: became the safe pair of hands. Do you want to
Speaker 3: take a risk? So I don't think the Liberals ran
Speaker 3: a bad campaign in the sense that, you know, the
Speaker 3: campaign they wanted to run, they couldn't run correct. And
Speaker 3: that wasn't their fault. They couldn't run it in the
Speaker 3: hand fault. Now, hey, I'm there. I'm going to change
Speaker 3: that a little bit. You've got to be adaptable. But
Speaker 3: the campaign that they had designed, they in the end
Speaker 3: they couldn't run it correct. Well, as we show, it
Speaker 3: was a factor, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1: I mean, as I showed everyone last week right one
Speaker 1: of the things. And again I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: too deep into it. I know how it bore some,
Speaker 1: but for the point of understanding, okay, was that in
Speaker 1: February mortgage holders fifty one forty nine to labor. Then
Speaker 1: the first of the interest rate cuts fifty to fifty did.
Speaker 1: Then the stock market stuff in relation to tariffs and
Speaker 1: also the Zelenski stuff started to push it fifty one
Speaker 1: to forty nine, and then obviously ends up forty five,
Speaker 1: which of course.
Speaker 3: Was the wider tax cuts too, which well inexplicably a
Speaker 3: liberal party didn't back tax cards what they did and
Speaker 3: they went into fifteen perpetual stations, but it gave people
Speaker 3: the idea that momentum was shifting. Life has been difficult,
Speaker 3: but it might be going to get a little bit better.
Speaker 5: And the right cut came.
Speaker 3: In and the right cup Paul mentioned the right and
Speaker 3: also rate card and the tax card. They both just
Speaker 3: gave people a bit of hope. And that's where you
Speaker 3: get back to that happy warrior st that Albanezy, to
Speaker 3: his great credit, ran an incredibly positive upbeat campaign and
Speaker 3: he looked like he was on top of his brief
Speaker 3: and three years ago he was a bit shakier, but
Speaker 3: he looked in charge and in control. So that worked
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 1: So let's get to which way the liberals go? Okay,
Speaker 1: And I've been really thinking about this, like in the
Speaker 1: days off right, just thinking okay for a long time,
Speaker 1: people who viewed the world in left and right. Maybe
Speaker 1: now it's a little bit different in terms of age
Speaker 1: modernity versus not necessarily looking backwards, but the idea of
Speaker 1: how do we bring the best of our former days
Speaker 1: into the future. I sort of think and I say,
Speaker 1: this is a person who says no Sook's no lefties
Speaker 1: on TV. Right, that maybe this way of viewing the
Speaker 1: world perhaps perhaps appropriate even six years ago in the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Just the language doesn't quite fit where people
Speaker 1: are today. Doesn't mean I won't use the term from
Speaker 1: time to time, but I've just been thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So again, I'm sure you will have your views in
Speaker 1: terms of the who politically is best this, that and
Speaker 1: the other. But let's be honest here and again. If
Speaker 1: friends can't be honest, then what's the point of being
Speaker 1: a friend? Right, Angus Taylor was either the bloke who
Speaker 1: made the decision about knocking back the tax cuts or
Speaker 1: Susan Lee is the person who was in the room
Speaker 1: approving many of the decisions that ultimately cost them in
Speaker 1: the campaign. Right, So, both these people are not in
Speaker 1: a clean skin environment, but they seem to because they're
Speaker 1: not really doing interviews and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: That'll be the first seven thirty report that'll turn around
Speaker 1: and say this day and that day, And that's part
Speaker 1: of the joy of digging your way out. Remember when
Speaker 1: it came to Bill Shorten, he put his hand up
Speaker 1: the membership wanted elbow. He of course had the MP
Speaker 1: stitched up, but he was the faceless man from the
Speaker 1: rud Gillard rud stuff. People remembered that, and obviously in
Speaker 1: and around the tax stuff people are going to remember
Speaker 1: that as a big problem of the last in a while.
Speaker 1: That's not me advocating for Susan Lee or pro Taylor,
Speaker 1: but as a person who's run for the party and
Speaker 1: certainly cares about them. Which way do you think that
Speaker 1: they will go? How do they construct? How do they
Speaker 1: look new by Wednesday?
Speaker 4: Well, there's two things here right, And I'm old enough
Speaker 4: to be around for since the Howard government.
Speaker 5: I've done this twenty odd.
Speaker 4: Years now, and it is true if you read in
Speaker 4: the coverage that you know, John Howard used to say,
Speaker 4: we're a broad church and I'm more than anyone hate
Speaker 4: talking about how it amands is because I think it's.
Speaker 5: A pre digital era.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a pre modern Australia. You know, one
Speaker 4: in eight people claim Indian heritage. Now in this country,
Speaker 4: many of our large cities are thirty percent overseas board.
Speaker 4: Howard didn't deal with that level of modernity day in Australia.
Speaker 4: It doesn't, but there is a great propensity of people
Speaker 4: running for positions to stand up and talk about those things,
Speaker 4: which doesn't actually tackle.
Speaker 5: The real issues.
Speaker 4: And how do we deal with diversity, Well, they get
Speaker 4: little and they get annoyed.
Speaker 1: To be too. Right, Aboriginal people didn't count as human
Speaker 1: and it was illegal to.
Speaker 4: Be gained, exactly right, and he was very happy with that,
Speaker 4: all of us with women who are married not having
Speaker 4: a job.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So if we went to an election with those views
Speaker 4: of men's is of the nineteen forties, we'd be rightly decimated. Right,
Speaker 4: So not all of it is applicable. You know, people
Speaker 4: have to move on. But it's very hard to talk
Speaker 4: about a modern Australia in a sense that needs to
Speaker 4: be talked about when you are in the position of
Speaker 4: pitching two members because members believe in things that aren't
Speaker 4: necessarily reflective of what voters will Vos.
Speaker 1: Labor members or Greens members, members of parties way.
Speaker 4: Often right, So there's two issues here. You have to
Speaker 4: pitch to the party room and then you have to
Speaker 4: pitch to your branch members. But that has to be
Speaker 4: fit for purpose in terms of an electual reality of
Speaker 4: what people are actually going to vote for. And I
Speaker 4: think there's a real struggle to intersect those two things
Speaker 4: at the moment in the party with all candidates.
Speaker 1: You've lived this in labor. You've seen these moments where, oh,
Speaker 1: it's the end of times. If we go this way,
Speaker 1: we're going to make everything worse. If we go that way,
Speaker 1: it'll make everything even worse.
Speaker 3: After every big election loss, when you've been in government
Speaker 3: for a while and you look at it and you say,
Speaker 3: there's no way known we could ever win the seat
Speaker 3: of Lindsay and the seat of Sydney in the same election.
Speaker 3: We all go through these identity crises as political parties.
Speaker 3: But I think the problem at the moment that the Liberals.
Speaker 3: There's a few different problems, but women have not voted
Speaker 3: for them a couple of elections in a row. Younger
Speaker 3: people have not voted for them, a couple of elections
Speaker 3: in a row. Curiously, at Christmas polling indicated sort of
Speaker 3: second generation and cultury and linguistically diverse background. They did
Speaker 3: have some standing, but by the time the election came
Speaker 3: around that had fallen off too. So it's been reported
Speaker 3: in some of the papers over the weekend there's pressure
Speaker 3: on people from their own branch members, but they are
Speaker 3: Howard era boomers.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 3: So there's a different mentality of your local branch compared
Speaker 3: to those who have deserted the Liberals since they were
Speaker 3: in government under three prime ministers. And that is the
Speaker 3: identity crisis for that reason. Probably on that logic, think
Speaker 3: Susan Lee. But equally is Susan Lee. Brenda Nelson where
Speaker 3: lovely bloke. But he wasn't there for the three years.
Speaker 3: He was never going to be there for the three years, he.
Speaker 1: Said Malcolm Turmbull the day he became leader, telling him
Speaker 1: he should be out of the room because you want
Speaker 1: a way of doom.
Speaker 3: Do you want contrast? And if you want contrast and
Speaker 3: you really want to take the ball up and have
Speaker 3: the fight, then probably Taylor and Price is a better
Speaker 3: way of creating a contrast.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: And can I say of the jostling for the two candidates,
Speaker 4: don't discount a third candidate.
Speaker 5: Yes, there's people yet.
Speaker 4: To be called and yet to turn up, and I
Speaker 4: know I've been part of them. There's many conversations going around.
Speaker 4: People are very unhappy with either.
Speaker 5: Of the choices.
Speaker 1: Jim Wilson stuff.
Speaker 4: Possibly and others don't discount it. And we see this
Speaker 4: in politics all the time. We have the two favorite horses,
Speaker 4: and then we have somebody very clever who has the
Speaker 4: ability to bring.
Speaker 5: Both sides come together.
Speaker 4: And quite frankly, I've heard more sense from Tim Wilson
Speaker 4: in the last three days than I have from.
Speaker 5: Most people for a whole eighteen months on the front bench.
Speaker 3: To be fair to Tim Wilson, that's an extraordinary win.
Speaker 1: Massive He's done it.
Speaker 4: He's brought the boomers together with the teal shardon I
Speaker 4: Drinkers's extraordinary.
Speaker 5: No one else has done it, and he's.
Speaker 4: Done it by self confessedly ignoring the party's advice on
Speaker 4: how to run the cat pack.
Speaker 1: Well, my weird idea, wed, My weird idea is that
Speaker 1: you can make kind of the best of all worlds here, car,
Speaker 1: which is that you can have your leader. Why not
Speaker 1: two deputies? Right? Why not just into amper duper price
Speaker 1: and Tim Wilson Right. The only reason I talk about
Speaker 1: Tim Wilson with particular focus is he was so important
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen about the Franklin credit stuff. Right, He's
Speaker 1: so apart from all the tea appeal, all of the stuff,
Speaker 1: the ability.
Speaker 3: Wiry made a difference.
Speaker 5: He's the only one with an economic message.
Speaker 1: From really the back room of backroom of back rooms
Speaker 1: to the things that people were talking about was really important.
Speaker 1: Let's have some fun with the Greens, though, because apparently
Speaker 1: a three way race, but nobody's putting their hand up
Speaker 1: formally to say they are one of the three. Every
Speaker 1: time the Greens have changed their leadership, it's been behind
Speaker 1: closed doors, uncontested, a straight line. You can draw all
Speaker 1: the way from Christine Milne all the way through after
Speaker 1: Bob Brown. So as a person who's worked a bit
Speaker 1: in the Senate, seen how they've gone, both of you
Speaker 1: knowing that of course as a leader, right which one
Speaker 1: makes their problem worse and which one makes their problem
Speaker 1: go away? Of Waters, Ferruki and Sarah Hanson Young.
Speaker 3: I don't think Waters will run. I think she would
Speaker 3: probably be a good option in the same way. I
Speaker 3: think he's a little bit divisive. But McKim wouldn't be
Speaker 3: a bad option either. He pulled out today, I know
Speaker 3: he pulled out. That's Ferruki causes problems like there's. I
Speaker 3: don't see that brand of activism being popular for a
Speaker 3: party leader over the next three years.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it plays outside. In news so
Speaker 1: was in Victoria. To be honest, like, if you're trying
Speaker 1: to take the message into a place where you want
Speaker 1: to push a little further in South Australia, Western Australia
Speaker 1: and Tazzy, I'm not entirely sure that this is a
Speaker 1: message for all political parties. What works in Sydney Melbourne
Speaker 1: don't necessarily work over else.
Speaker 3: I would probably go Sarah Hanson Young, given who is
Speaker 3: on the table.
Speaker 1: A member of her. Wonderful performance of the shadow treasurer
Speaker 1: thowed I did.
Speaker 5: No one takes the Greens treasury but brings. Seriously, it
Speaker 5: doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: It depends what their role is. If they want to
Speaker 3: be a brutal activist party for three more years, go
Speaker 3: with Ferruki. If they want to cut deals with labor,
Speaker 3: because labor, the way the Senate vote is going to unfold,
Speaker 3: the cross bench is now pretty much irrelevant. Labor can
Speaker 3: pass with the support of the Coalition or the Greens.
Speaker 3: So the Greens, if you want to play that constructive role,
Speaker 3: you go with Hans and Young. If you want to
Speaker 3: be activists, go with Ferouki. And that's really a matter
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 4: I think Larissa Waters is silable and centrist and would
Speaker 4: be green step on a great right, would be yelling
Speaker 4: at it, would be the best brand for the Greens
Speaker 4: to say, Okay, well we too, like the coalition, figure
Speaker 4: out who we are and what direction we're going to
Speaker 4: go in.
Speaker 5: We're going to.
Speaker 4: Put this centrist, experienced person who can negotiate with coalition
Speaker 4: senators and Labors senators because she's got the experience of
Speaker 4: doing so. Farouki is just a loose cannon of far left,
Speaker 4: you know, wave the flag just really bad and lib
Speaker 4: is going to find that really difficult to negotiate a
Speaker 4: pathway through with her.
Speaker 1: Because also, right that the joy of watching what Albow,
Speaker 1: what the Albanizi did in this election, right, you saw
Speaker 1: the weaponizing of and every idea they voted against it,
Speaker 1: or everything we tried to do. They wouldn't try to
Speaker 1: help us, right, So I think both of those non
Speaker 1: labor parties are going to be looking at that as
Speaker 1: a message. I would suggest that both are going to
Speaker 1: find what Bill Shorten did for many years, which was
Speaker 1: just to kick up an absolute stick the day something's
Speaker 1: announced and wave your fingers in question time, and then
Speaker 1: at eleven thirty at night the night before everyone goes
Speaker 1: vote for it so that you can quickly push it
Speaker 1: through to the next stage. Last word you, Darren.
Speaker 3: I just think the Greens need to determine who they
Speaker 3: are as a party. They vote nationally, but they were
Speaker 3: a bit unlucky that distribution in Melbourne and Wills saw
Speaker 3: them lose bo FuG of them, but.
Speaker 1: They were happy to get Liberal preferences to beat the
Speaker 1: Labor Party. When the Liberal Party stands on principle, they
Speaker 1: fall on their eyes.
Speaker 3: No problem with that. But they just need to identify
Speaker 3: who they are. They are largely people who would normally
Speaker 3: vote Labor, but they wanted to be a bit more honest.
Speaker 3: It's like a Democrat style.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they are their own generations.
Speaker 4: They had Morphed Dave totally more whichever.
Speaker 3: If they are the latter, then they probably go through
Speaker 3: a party.
Speaker 1: Now I am going slightly different. The amount of times
Speaker 1: were being told to go to break, so we shall
Speaker 1: do so right now and then back in a moment
Speaker 1: here with a bold prediction for the weekend. Thanks for
Speaker 1: watching Sunday Night. One for the hard cause, always one
Speaker 1: for the hard course you're on, Paul Murray life. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching wherever you happen to be.
Speaker 1: Christy McSweeney and Lovely Lovely Darren Lovely.
Speaker 5: So lovely, I can smell the.
Speaker 3: Course Partisan Lovely were actually past a talking sticker.
Speaker 1: Course Lovely Christom big Sweeny. So a couple of people
Speaker 1: took in and around elections, which was this one was
Speaker 1: particularly disrespectful and nasty. Everyone was rude to each other
Speaker 1: and we all saw things like, you know, the they
Speaker 1: pulled down my poster. Somebody else pulled down my post,
Speaker 1: and somebody drew a Hitler stars on my patterner what
Speaker 1: somebody did this on my post? Like okay, And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of it, and it did seem a
Speaker 1: lot more agro. My personal solution to all of this
Speaker 1: is get rid of the posters. My solution to that
Speaker 1: I don't like running the gauntlet of the how to
Speaker 1: vote thing, is not have the how to vote thing.
Speaker 1: These crazy ideas. We're in the same way that you
Speaker 1: all know that everyone knows how to download a ticket
Speaker 1: for a plane on their on their phone. You can
Speaker 1: do that with a hat to vote, all right, But
Speaker 1: political parties they still want to pretend that we have
Speaker 1: to both master TikTok and morse code because there might
Speaker 1: be one voter somewhere, you know the way that it works.
Speaker 1: But you went through it as a candidate and as
Speaker 1: an observer. Was this one nastier or was there just
Speaker 1: more cameras covering it?
Speaker 4: Well, thank you Paul for pointing that out.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of people wanting to chat.
Speaker 4: If you want to chat, you get out there and
Speaker 4: you run for a marginal Satan raising mill, you get
Speaker 4: in the ring.
Speaker 5: You then come and talk to me.
Speaker 4: Look, I think that oh it's not less agro, it's
Speaker 4: it's it is hotly contested at polling booths though, like
Speaker 4: it's never been before. I think the last sort of
Speaker 4: five to six years to the last two elections, you're
Speaker 4: swarmed by people.
Speaker 1: But you can't forget to that. For your LAC doctor.
Speaker 4: You can get a lot of votes at the polling
Speaker 4: booth though you will probably if you engage, if you
Speaker 4: engage properly, right, I know, I did, you know going
Speaker 4: up to speak to people and lots of people have
Speaker 4: no idea, are so disengaged and they think, oh, you.
Speaker 5: Know, that woman knew what she was talking about and
Speaker 5: answered my question.
Speaker 4: And sure the man with the dog was so nice and.
Speaker 5: It does work.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 5: I know it does, so get rid of it. People
Speaker 5: hate it. It's effective, all right.
Speaker 1: But Darren about ed husick. So Ed was already booked
Speaker 1: to go on Channel two this morning when he was
Speaker 1: a minister. Then of course he's not a minister. But
Speaker 1: he turned up anyway. I mean they were expecting him,
Speaker 1: they did pre promoted. He didn't just shove his way
Speaker 1: onto the set. This is what he had to say
Speaker 1: about the Deputy Prime minister. And it's pretty obvious that
Speaker 1: he's trying to say he is part of the problem.
Speaker 12: We've had sort of bare faced ambition and a deputy
Speaker 12: prime minister wheeled a factional club to reshape the ministry.
Speaker 12: I think when people look at a deputy Prime minister,
Speaker 12: they expect to see a statesman, not a factional assassin.
Speaker 1: Now I love Ed, which you mightment I'm too close
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: What do you think of it too? I think he
Speaker 3: has every right to be aggrieved. I think he did
Speaker 3: a good job as a minister. But that is the
Speaker 3: way the cookie crumbles. The factions do carve it up
Speaker 3: on both of the major parties, and he, unfortunately, in
Speaker 3: a world of you can't get rid of bow and
Speaker 3: you can't get rid of Burke, you can't get rid
Speaker 3: of Jason Claire, you can't get rid of Michelle Rowland.
Speaker 3: Someone had to go. Ed was last one, and Ed
Speaker 3: was first one out. Now I feel sorry for him
Speaker 3: because I think he made a great contribution. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that going on TV and carrying on helps you
Speaker 3: in the long term. But what do you do You
Speaker 3: don't want to really? Do you want to take one
Speaker 3: for the team in this case? Clearly not?
Speaker 1: Can I call bs on some of the people in
Speaker 1: the Cambra Press gallery who I know love my free advice,
Speaker 1: what it's worth, what they pay for it? Times? This
Speaker 1: has ruined the mood for the Labor Party after seven days.
Speaker 1: Can I say that I get it? It's not even
Speaker 1: speed bump right, and believe me, I'm looking for hope.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for signs. I'm looking down the tunnel. It's
Speaker 1: as dark as it's like. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really, we had a Parliament last time where there was
Speaker 3: no internal division on either side, and now they'll be
Speaker 3: on both sides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bold prediction. Christi McSweeney.
Speaker 4: Oh look, I'm just going to make more of a comment.
Speaker 4: Both parties have nothing left to do but fight themselves
Speaker 4: the Labor Party because save once under a whopping majority,
Speaker 4: and need to appoint people the coalition because they've got
Speaker 4: nothing else to fight with. So let's see what bold
Speaker 4: predictions come out of those two excellent Darren.
Speaker 3: Look bold prediction. Let's we'll say, I reckon, Susan Lee,
Speaker 3: I reckon. I'm going to say for Rookie is going
Speaker 3: to get it?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of crazy, but I actually might
Speaker 3: get it, all right. Nationals probably little Proud holds on,
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: By the way. Matt Canning in on the show tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: Who knows what the ministry is? The cave's are going
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: All right, fun as we all stand by for who's
Speaker 1: the Deputy Homelessness Minister. Such a campra game. Thank you
Speaker 1: guys to appreciate it. We'll see you again next week.
Speaker 1: Man came more often whenever you came.
Speaker 5: Love being in the man cap, all right, and we.
Speaker 1: Love you being here. We love you too, all right.
Speaker 1: That's our scheff to night. Thank you very much for
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