1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160
Speaker 1: This is the Fitsy and Whipper with Kate Richie podcast.

2
00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,160
Speaker 1: Scary scenes Yesterday at the rally eight point fifteen in

3
00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,399
Speaker 1: the morning, we saw the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

4
00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,160
Speaker 2: Donald Trump lucky to be alive after an attempted assassination.

5
00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,600
Speaker 3: Take a look at what happened him. There was no

6
00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,279
Speaker 3: place in America for this kind of violence. It's sick.

7
00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,279
Speaker 3: We cannot allow for this to be happening. We cannot

8
00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,280
Speaker 3: be like this. We cannot condone this.

9
00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,520
Speaker 1: My God, frightful to see as he grabbed his ear,

10
00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,839
Speaker 1: when he turned and grabbed his ear and then realized

11
00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,879
Speaker 1: and dropped to the ground.

12
00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,239
Speaker 2: That audio is so chilling, and it was quite surreal

13
00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,360
Speaker 2: yesterday because I didn't know if it was real or not, Kate,

14
00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,800
Speaker 2: when he was up there talking and to hear those

15
00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,240
Speaker 2: bullets go past his head. Have you got that gesture?

16
00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,920
Speaker 2: Just to hear that again, if you want to really

17
00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,800
Speaker 2: see something that said, take a look at what happened.

18
00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,520
Speaker 3: The old Are you ready on you? You're ready?

19
00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,640
Speaker 1: God, God, I mean, what are we talking? Eight ten shots?

20
00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,679
Speaker 1: It was so so lucky. Did you not him?

21
00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:26,840
Speaker 2: The gentleman that saw the shooter climb the roof to

22
00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,840
Speaker 2: get the best position. So BBC found this guy and

23
00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,920
Speaker 2: this was just luck. And he happened to be that

24
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,000
Speaker 2: he was wearing a trump visor with a fake wig

25
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,440
Speaker 2: on as well. This was the thing. So this is

26
00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,880
Speaker 2: what this guy saw. Just before the shooting.

27
00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,240
Speaker 4: We noticed the guy bearfrolling up the roof of the

28
00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,400
Speaker 4: building beside us, fifty feet away from us. So we're

29
00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,880
Speaker 4: standing there, you know, we're pointing at the guy crawling

30
00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,600
Speaker 4: up the roof and he had a gun, right, he

31
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,200
Speaker 4: had a rifle. We could clearly see him with a rifle. Absolutely,

32
00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,040
Speaker 4: we're pointing at him. The police started down there running

33
00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,800
Speaker 4: around on the ground. We're like, hey, man, guy on

34
00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,160
Speaker 4: the roof of the rifle and the police were like

35
00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,200
Speaker 4: huh what you know, like like they didn't know what

36
00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,200
Speaker 4: was going on. And next thing, you know, five shots

37
00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:11,600
Speaker 4: ring out.

38
00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,760
Speaker 3: So you're you're certain that the shots came from that

39
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,160
Speaker 3: guy on.

40
00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,000
Speaker 4: The percent one hundred percent Did they see him? Probably not,

41
00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,680
Speaker 4: because the roof, the way that the slope wank, he

42
00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,359
Speaker 4: was behind where they could see. But why is there

43
00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,839
Speaker 4: not secret service on all of these roofs here? I mean,

44
00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,560
Speaker 4: this is not a big place, did you see?

45
00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,320
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously everyone when the shooting started, everyone was

46
00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,880
Speaker 3: very panicked. Oh did you see what happened to him

47
00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,400
Speaker 3: at all?

48
00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:35,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

49
00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, they blew his head off. Okay, sorry, secret service

50
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:39,160
Speaker 4: blues head on.

51
00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,600
Speaker 3: Okay, we'd just be carefully because we don't quite know

52
00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,120
Speaker 3: who's watching.

53
00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,600
Speaker 1: Do you know what too, It's amazing to see when

54
00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,040
Speaker 1: the sniper does realize that the shots are ringing out

55
00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,720
Speaker 1: and he adjusts his shot for the shooter that is

56
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:51,960
Speaker 1: so confronted.

57
00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,880
Speaker 2: Shilling, isn't it, Kate. Well, one man who can give

58
00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,200
Speaker 2: us more information about this and what this means for

59
00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,640
Speaker 2: the election is international affairs expert. He he's a man

60
00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,239
Speaker 2: who has been following politics over in the US for

61
00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,160
Speaker 2: quite a while. You were seen on Sunrise most mornings.

62
00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,440
Speaker 2: That's doctor Keith Souda. Thanks for joining us, Keith.

63
00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:09,520
Speaker 3: Yes, good mining.

64
00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,680
Speaker 2: It's only been a matter of time when an attempt

65
00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,760
Speaker 2: on either Joe Biden or Donald Trump would have happened. Keith.

66
00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,560
Speaker 2: But over the weekend it was unbelievable how easy this

67
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,160
Speaker 2: man had access to get a shot at Donald Trump

68
00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:23,959
Speaker 2: at his rally.

69
00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,200
Speaker 3: Yes, it was absolutely frightening. So the shooter was actually

70
00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,160
Speaker 3: outside the perimeter of the conference center where the shooting

71
00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840
Speaker 3: took place, he was on a wall on a roof

72
00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,880
Speaker 3: of a garage, And clearly this was a failing by

73
00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,000
Speaker 3: the Secret Service or the local police, the Pennsylvania State

74
00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,320
Speaker 3: Police in not checking on the roof. People actually saw

75
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,000
Speaker 3: him climb up on the roof with the AR fifteen,

76
00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,200
Speaker 3: and they were trying to warn the police, and something

77
00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,720
Speaker 3: bad was about to happen. So it's a terrible failing

78
00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 3: on the part of the US police force.

79
00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,160
Speaker 1: That's Keith. I don't I don't want to get carried

80
00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,560
Speaker 1: away with this. I just want to make sure that

81
00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,320
Speaker 1: you're hearing the same echoes that we are here. There's

82
00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,640
Speaker 1: all sorts of chat around how this was staged, how

83
00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,560
Speaker 1: this was there's a theory behind how all of this

84
00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,440
Speaker 1: was put on as part of the campaign. Have you

85
00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,360
Speaker 1: heard that as well?

86
00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm hearing it all the time. But it's just

87
00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,200
Speaker 3: simply not do When you look at how close President

88
00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,840
Speaker 3: Trump was to getting shot. You know, it actually tipped

89
00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,360
Speaker 3: the top of his ear a few inches or less

90
00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,000
Speaker 3: than an inch, and he would have gone right through

91
00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,920
Speaker 3: his head. So no, no way you could have staged

92
00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,239
Speaker 3: something that accurate.

93
00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,240
Speaker 2: How does that help with his campaign? And I want

94
00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,800
Speaker 2: to ask about his reaction when he was told to

95
00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,000
Speaker 2: move off the stage and he wanted to stand united.

96
00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,520
Speaker 2: What do you think that will do for his popularity.

97
00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,800
Speaker 3: It's done a great deal to reinforce the support that

98
00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,320
Speaker 3: he already enjoys. The Christian right wing groups that are

99
00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,039
Speaker 3: an important part of his support base already see this

100
00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,520
Speaker 3: as an active divine intervention to protect their and today,

101
00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,240
Speaker 3: so they're expecting him to win in November. It is

102
00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,880
Speaker 3: impressive that a person of that age, having just been shot,

103
00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,799
Speaker 3: is able to get up onto his feet. He hasn't

104
00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,800
Speaker 3: got wobbly knees or anything like that, and he's busy

105
00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,200
Speaker 3: shaking his fist in the air. It is a very

106
00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,800
Speaker 3: impressive act of courage and resilience on the part of

107
00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I know he looks like a hero almost absolutely,

108
00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,400
Speaker 3: And that image with the bloodstreaming down his face is

109
00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,440
Speaker 3: already being put on his shirt from Amazon with that

110
00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,120
Speaker 3: image on it as well. So yes, it's a great

111
00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,320
Speaker 3: marketing opportunity. But I don't see it as a conspiracy,

112
00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,800
Speaker 3: just simply that people are making the most of the

113
00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,160
Speaker 3: opportunity that he managed to survive.

114
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,120
Speaker 2: We talk about the gun laws quite a bit over

115
00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,400
Speaker 2: in America. We are quite shopped here in Australia, doctor

116
00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,720
Speaker 2: Keith with what we see. But it's kind of ironic

117
00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,920
Speaker 2: that a twenty year old man can go and get

118
00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 2: a semi automatic weapon have a shot at the probably

119
00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,280
Speaker 2: will be the president in a few months time. And

120
00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,360
Speaker 2: it's okay because Donald Trump will then go and defend

121
00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,520
Speaker 2: that person who has every right to go and do that, Doctor.

122
00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,479
Speaker 3: Keith, that's right. So Second Amendment right to own a gun.

123
00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,080
Speaker 3: The gun was bought legally, as far as we can tell,

124
00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,880
Speaker 3: probably by the father of Thomas Crooks. And so whether

125
00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,039
Speaker 3: the son stole it from the father or was given

126
00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,760
Speaker 3: it by the father, the FBI are trying to find out.

127
00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,040
Speaker 3: But guess it's not an illegal weapon. There was purchased

128
00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,920
Speaker 3: perfectly legally, Dox Keith.

129
00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,320
Speaker 1: Do we know anything else about the shooter? Was he

130
00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,200
Speaker 1: known to be an anti Trump protester or no?

131
00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,880
Speaker 3: He actually registered as a Republican and was somebody who

132
00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,960
Speaker 3: had done reasonably well at school. Seems to have got

133
00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,360
Speaker 3: on well with his fellow's schoolmates. So somebody who's come

134
00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,080
Speaker 3: as a complete surprise. No social media history, was hardly

135
00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,320
Speaker 3: on social media, no signs of extremism, or radicalization, no

136
00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,120
Speaker 3: political agenda. It means a real mystery.

137
00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,279
Speaker 2: Keith, can you give us a bit of an idea?

138
00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,440
Speaker 2: Well in your mind, and I mean it didn't happen,

139
00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,040
Speaker 2: and we're glad that it didn't. But if it did,

140
00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,800
Speaker 2: if he was assassinated yesterday, what do you think would

141
00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,880
Speaker 2: have happened? What have there been a civil war in

142
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,480
Speaker 2: the US yesterday if this happened.

143
00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it'll be a civil war, but certainly

144
00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,600
Speaker 3: there would have been an uptick in the violence, absolutely

145
00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,960
Speaker 3: because people would have said this as a Democrat conspiracy

146
00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,400
Speaker 3: to get rid of our person. So yes, it would

147
00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,880
Speaker 3: have led to an increase in violence. And the rhetoric

148
00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,160
Speaker 3: on both sides is already very extreme. It's not only

149
00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,240
Speaker 3: Donald Trump who uses extreme language, but also people on

150
00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,160
Speaker 3: the left who are using extreme language as well. So

151
00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 3: it makes for a very difficult political atmosphere in the

152
00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,680
Speaker 3: United States. It's also going to change the nature of

153
00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,280
Speaker 3: the campaigning between now and November five, because obviously the

154
00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,080
Speaker 3: Secret Service will not want to have any of the

155
00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,080
Speaker 3: candidates so easily exposed to the general public.

156
00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,680
Speaker 1: No, you'll see him in the popemobile, a Bulletprouner hopemobile,

157
00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Keith, can we just ask too. He's back on

158
00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,840
Speaker 1: the golf course this morning. I hope that missing part

159
00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,640
Speaker 1: of his ear hasn't thrown him off his game.

160
00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,400
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure he's enjoying his game, and he's made

161
00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,880
Speaker 3: it quite clear that he's going to keep to the

162
00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,760
Speaker 3: original schedule. He's not going to be deterred by the shooting.

163
00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,920
Speaker 3: He's going to continue on with the schedule as he

164
00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,680
Speaker 3: laid down before the shooting. So he's showing great resilience

165
00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,800
Speaker 3: and an inspiration to his supporters there it is.

166
00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,440
Speaker 2: I think it is going to be beneficial for his campaign.

167
00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,080
Speaker 2: We know how busy you are. Thank you very much

168
00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,160
Speaker 2: for your time, doctor Keith.

169
00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:26,760
Speaker 3: Thank you.

170
00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,880
Speaker 1: It's in Whipper with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast

171
00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,400
Speaker 1: walk great shows like this. Download the Nova Player via

172
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,240
Speaker 1: the app Store or Google Play in the