1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Five Double A Nights with Matthew Pantellus. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: It is twenty six to nine on five Double A. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: We're going to talk else we'll get back to your nightclubs. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: There's people still texting in and I'm enjoying those and 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: love to hear from you if you perhaps met a 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: partner or went there to deliberately meet your partner, someone 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: you might have had your eye on, whatever the case 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: may be. Love to hear your stories about nightclubs in Adelaide. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: Back in the day it all started mentioned the highatt 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: being sold and what their nightclub was called, and it's 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: taken off from that, but it's been a great discussion 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: over the last hour or so in the studio with me. 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: Now is Tracy Yean the Green Dispensary. Hello, Tracy, how 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: are you? 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: I'm really well, Matthea, how are you good? 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: Thank you? And you've brought a guest in with you. 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: I have, but this guest is no stranger to five 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: Double A Nights. I've brought in tonight Wendy Hall from 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 4: Dementia Dollers International, who has done many a talk on 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: air with both joint and by herself, and I brought 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 4: her in tonight because I've had so many people coming 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 4: in over the last few days commenting about my memories 23 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: got worse since it's got colder and I don't feel 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 4: as good. And it really makes you think about how 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 4: season changes affect people with chronic diseases, but also specifically dementia, 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: because that is often a really difficult. 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: One to navigate anyway. 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 4: So I brought in the expert tonight to talk alongside 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: and with me about those changes. So if anyone at 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 4: home you know, is experiencing or caring for somebody with 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 4: a chronic illness or dementia and would like to share 32 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 4: this story, we'd love to hear your story about how 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 4: the seasons affect your health. 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: The Health Welcome and tell me a little bit about 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: Dementia Dollars Australia. So who are you? 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're an organization that started too I guess 37 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 5: support families with all the things that fall outside the boxes. 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: I guess dementia over these has become very overclinicalized and 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 5: we know that families deal with so much more on 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 5: a day to day basis certainly the topic that Tracy 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 5: is just alluded to, So we want to make sure 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 5: that we're there with families from pre diagnosis until the 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 5: latter stages and make sure that they have their person. 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: Okay, Tracy, back to what you said. People coming in 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: saying it's colder and I see foggier. That must be 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: a thing. It's a winter thing, perhaps, well. 47 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 4: And there's many reasons that can pertain to that, and 48 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: it's not. I don't think it's just people with illnesses 49 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: to per se. I know, we do a lot of 50 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 4: things differently, and people will get tired of me talking 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 4: of vitamin D. But vitamin D is a big one 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: that affects our mood. It affects anxiety, it affects our 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 4: sleep and what goes. 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: Down at this time of the year. 55 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 4: I don't know about anyone else, but I'm certainly not 56 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 4: getting any outdoor time or sunshine of lane. So when 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 4: D drops, we know that has an effect. We cook 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: more of our foods. And what does that do? That 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 4: destroys water soluble vitamins like your B vitamins, which all 60 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 4: manufacture your brain chemicals, so your mood can drop. There 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: can affect other parts of your mood like happy, sad, calm, sleep, 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 4: all of the above. So just winter in general can 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: make you feel foggy. Another one, we don't drink as 64 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: much water. We know dehydration or low fluid can also give. 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: You brain fog. 66 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 4: So there's lots of different ways that we can feel 67 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: like that. But two, if you've already suffering from a condition, 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: you've got those factors on. 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: Top of a whole bunch of others. 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, the change from autumn to winter, 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: it can worsen symptoms. As you say, Now, I don't 72 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: know wants to respond to this, but circadian rhythms, what 73 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: effect can they have on dementia? 74 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 6: Absolutely? And I think it's it. 75 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 5: Affects the family members as well that are offering support 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 5: to someone living with dementia because we know that when 77 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 5: the weather changes, people aren't getting out as much, so 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 5: we know routines are changing. And we know that sunlight, 79 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: as Tracy said, is really really important for being able 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 5: to sleep better. And getting that sunlight, particularly in the morning, 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 5: is really important for someone with dementia because their skin 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 5: will respond to that sunlight and know that it's daylight. 83 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 5: So we kind of live our days by the clock. 84 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 5: We know that you know it's eight o'clock in the morning, 85 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 5: so it's time to get up. And start our routines, 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 5: and someone with dementia might not be cued as well 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 5: as we are, so they are often driven by the 88 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 5: light and the dark. So yeah, if they're kind of 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 5: just in a constant state of indoors, that can really 90 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 5: muck up someone's time clock. 91 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 4: And you look at people that are trying to save money, 92 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: not putting electricity on and things like that, keeping a. 93 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: Light, you know, lights off, lights low, things like that. 94 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 4: We know that when it's dark, our body will start 95 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: producing melatonin, which is the so if you're in a 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: very dull or dark environment, you're going to feel more 97 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: drowsy and more sleepy. So it really affects that whole 98 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 4: sleep wake cycle in general. 99 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: Or if you're listening earlier, I said I put on 100 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: the TV and fell asleep to Jim Chalmers at the 101 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: National Press Club today. That can do it too. See 102 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: the chow Mirian rhyo do it for me? 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: Definitely. 104 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: Some downing, which is a common symptom in dementia. Wendy 105 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: get this. 106 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it is. 107 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 5: I have to be honest, I'm not a big fan 108 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: of dementia terms because I feel like when we label 109 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 5: a well we call them, you know, a behavior or 110 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 5: a response, or if we label anything, it's almost like 111 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 5: we normalize it that it's just something you should expect. 112 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 5: It is a common term that is used for people 113 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 5: with dementia who are particularly unsettled later in the afternoon, 114 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 5: but most of us get unsettled in the afternoon, and 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: there is a reason for that. Sometimes we're hungry, sometimes 116 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 5: we've been sitting too long when need to get up 117 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 5: and move, or we're starting to think about. 118 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 6: The evening ahead. We'll go get home. 119 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 5: I've got to stop at the shops on the way home. 120 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 5: So people a dementia are often they still have they 121 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 5: still have those innate routines that they want to be 122 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 5: able to go and do the shopping, get the dinner on, 123 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 5: or they're starting to think about the evening, particularly if 124 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 5: they are aware of. 125 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 6: The time of day. 126 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 5: So that unsettledness over the years has been labeled as sundowning, 127 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 5: which again kind of almost normalizes something that when we're 128 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 5: not really meeting the person's need as to what it 129 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 5: is that might help them to actually settle law will 130 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 5: bring a sense of purpose to the later part of 131 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 5: the afternoon. 132 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: Is it amazing? I mean that the planet we rely 133 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: on autumn and four seasons, winter and spring and summer, 134 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: and the equinox and the swinging of the earth around 135 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: so vital to everything, but it can be really upsetting 136 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: in terms of health at the same time, who would have. 137 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 5: Thought, absolutely, And just to add to that, for someone 138 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 5: with dementia and those that are supporting them, family members 139 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 5: that are supporting them, routine is so important. And we 140 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 5: know that winter is a time where we kind of 141 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 5: down tools. We're not going out as much, we're not 142 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 5: socializing as much, and we know that routine and socialization 143 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 5: are just essential for keeping things. I guess to plateau 144 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: to really give a sense of normality to families and 145 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 5: just to help things keep ticking over. 146 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that social inclusion and that's social contact and 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 4: those activities stimulate the brain and help exactly ward off 148 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: a lot of those symptoms and help keep people active 149 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 4: and healthier longer, which we don't look. I even know myself, 150 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 4: I'm very much down tools. Do I really have to 151 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 4: go out? It's told, do I have to get dressed? Well, 152 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: thanks for coming in, lucky because it was cold, but 153 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: that sort of thing, and I get to the point 154 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 4: where you really don't want to be outdoing things, but 155 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: the same in that situation because it's hard enough challenge 156 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: and to have those social outings when you're looking after 157 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: someone with chronic illness or with neurological stuff or behavioral 158 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: cognitive conditions. It's hard enough to get that confidence, that 159 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: effort and everything to do that without having other barriers 160 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: in place. 161 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 5: And kind of just add to that as well that 162 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 5: when we come out of winter, we just bounce back, 163 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 5: most of us, we just pick up where we left 164 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 5: off in autumn, and then we just we pick up 165 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 5: and we just get back on with our lives. People 166 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 5: with dementia will not have those same brain reserves to 167 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 5: be able to bounce back as easily. So it's not 168 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 5: uncommon to see quite a rapid decline because of that 169 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 5: break in routine and socialization. 170 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: There's the fluctuations in temperature, of course, between summer and 171 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: winter as well, and that can lead to all sorts 172 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: of different health complications. 173 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: I mentioned, Yeah, we have such big fluctuations here. Really 174 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: we have hot summers, cold winters. And two it's confused enough. 175 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 4: Particularly you know, you say some of the transitional stages 176 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: of early stages of dementia where you're starting to be 177 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: forgetful or noticed, and at that point a lot of 178 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 4: people know they're struggling and it causes a lot of 179 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: feelings as it is. But two, once you get into 180 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 4: that more state of confusion, you add in these massive changes, 181 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 4: and that just then creates a whole bigger level of confusion, 182 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: I think, and almost irritability and unsettled. As Wendy mentioned, 183 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: it's really important to have those routines and that's what 184 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: keeps things functioning. And to some degree, you know, normal 185 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: functioning is having that routine, But when you change the 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 4: whole background, it's a very different story. 187 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, biological changes. Now this would be weather 188 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: related as well. I would think in terms of research 189 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: that shows I'm just reading here, amyloid protein levels can change. 190 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: We there is some information out there to say that 191 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 4: that can actually happen. 192 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: Not only you know, they believe that. 193 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 4: There's more what's words, not growth, but the more an 194 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 4: increase in those pluques during the cooler autumn winter time. 195 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: So their brain plucks aren't that It's what I'm Alloyd, Yeah, proteins. 196 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 4: But if you talk to Wendy, there's a lot of 197 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 4: types of cognitive decline and not that come under that 198 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 4: banner as well. 199 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: But I think. 200 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 4: What they've found is the patterns that they get more 201 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: diagnosis during the cooller months of cognitive decline, and a 202 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: few studies have shown that. 203 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: But it could be. 204 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: Is it because people. 205 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 4: Are spending more one on one time together and you 206 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 4: notice more things going, you're not out as much. 207 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: A lot of people are very. 208 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 4: Good at hiding some of those cognitive decline indicators earlier 209 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: on and things like that. But I think, yeah, there 210 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: is certainly some studies that have been released to show 211 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: that that can be there are more diagnosis during the 212 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: call of months. 213 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: All right, just before we go to a break, Jenny 214 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: has called in from L and B Gardens side. Jenny. 215 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 7: Oh, hi, Mrphy, how are you and Casey? 216 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: Jenny? 217 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 6: Jenny, Hi. 218 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 7: Now, I'm talking about having a you know, emergency thing. 219 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 7: I have a smart for tendant, although they've given me 220 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 7: free pendants, so you wear around your neck and you 221 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 7: have a machine in the kitchen because I had to 222 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 7: keep I have got a mobile, but I had to 223 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 7: keep my landlines for it and have n then because 224 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 7: I didn't have any of that because I was in 225 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 7: hospital three months and they wouldn't let me come home 226 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 7: until my daughter has got that all organized. So I 227 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 7: just say people are using their mobile phones a first. 228 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 7: That's just as good. But this is never out of 229 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 7: action sort of thing, so that's fair. Have you heard 230 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 7: of a tombstall. 231 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: No, I haven't heard of that. 232 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 7: No, okay, well currently it is quite common. But and 233 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 7: it's sort of you wear dependent around your neck and 234 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 7: you press the button and somebody rings juice straight away. 235 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: Great idea. 236 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, and they talked through the pendant sort of thing, 237 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 7: so you don't have to go to. 238 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: The phone, which is great. 239 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 4: I actually saw someone do that through their their Apple 240 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: watch the other week, had a fall outside of the 241 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: work and the fall alerted emergency services or relatives, and 242 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 4: they were actually chatting through that the. 243 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 3: Watch, and that was great. I hadn't seen that happen before. 244 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 7: Oh no, this is it now. They've got all mold 245 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 7: things on, you know, watches and my wilephones and things. 246 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 7: But I just have an old fashioned and I can 247 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 7: ring and put a text on it. But that's it 248 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 7: for them thousand years old. 249 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: Do you feel safe for having that with you? 250 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 7: I've got three pendants, so one if I lose one, 251 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 7: or and I've got them in my draw by my bed, 252 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 7: and I'll except for the one that I wear. And yes, 253 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 7: yes I do, because they tested every now and again. 254 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 7: They at least want the month they ring to make 255 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 7: sure it's working excellent. Yes, so that's really good. And 256 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 7: I just say about to mention her my sister who's 257 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 7: thirty months older than me, and she has the aspace here. 258 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 7: The one like Bruce willis that you can't speak. It's 259 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 7: a true horrible I mean, when she started, you could 260 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 7: see she was struggling to get a word and she 261 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 7: was sort of taking a long time to say. But 262 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 7: we were We used to say it's okay, you know, 263 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 7: I say, I'll do that all the time sort of thing. 264 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 7: But now she's got to stay. She spend her three 265 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 7: years in nursing home and she's in the one in 266 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 7: Wallaroos by the sea. The reason for that is because 267 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 7: she lived in Mounta with her husband and kids all 268 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 7: her life and they didn't have anywhere in Mentor. 269 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 6: That's good. She could stay local. That's really important. Is 270 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 6: it for the familiarity and visitors? 271 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, her friends and things. But now she's in a 272 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 7: good place if you know it, do you know what 273 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 7: I mean? By that she can't speak, but she knows 274 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 7: still knows who are I am, and that's good. I've 275 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 7: got to We've got two other sisters and so you 276 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 7: just sort of she kind of knows what you're saying, 277 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 7: but it's so sad that she can't answer. 278 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is totally. 279 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 5: So what's most important, Jenny is you know who she is, 280 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: and you hold her history and you're able to really 281 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 5: keep people around her in the know. 282 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 6: So thank you for all you're doing for your sister, Jenny. 283 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: Lovely Jenny, thank you for the call too. It's eleven 284 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: to nine on five double. I've got to tell you 285 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: a quick story about these watches, the devices that let 286 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: you talk to people. Apart from the smart watches, my mum, 287 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: through her care package, has her it's like an eye watch, 288 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: you know, just slightly bigger. It's not an Apple watch, 289 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: but it's slightly bigger. It was given to her by 290 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: the care people and does everything. She has a fall, 291 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: you know, she puts it down or drops it on 292 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: the bed, I get an alert and it tells you 293 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: where she is exactly in the world and all the 294 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: rest of it. But her sister, who's a similar age 295 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: they're both in their nine ex ordered wanted the same thing, 296 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: is what a great idea rather than the pendent. So 297 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: her care different care provider ordered one and it's come 298 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: and she's got it on. It's like big bed and 299 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: it's enormous. And so this little arm with this huge 300 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: watch on it, but does the job. 301 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 6: I suppose that's what's so important. 302 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: That is what is important. All right, We'll take a 303 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: quick break in the studio with me Tracy Yeen the 304 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: Green Dispensary and Wendy Hall Dementia Duler's Australia. They're here 305 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: to help and answer any questions you have eight double 306 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: two to three double O double. 307 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: R five double A notes With Matthew Pantellus. 308 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: We're talking health. Tracy Yeen from the Green Dispensary is 309 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: here and Wendy Hall as well from Dementia Dollers Australia. 310 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: A quick question I reckon for you, Tracy. This is 311 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: from an elderly woman says I've recently purchased frozen light 312 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: of frozen meals delivered. So the pre cooked, prepackaged frozen 313 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: food delivered, am I likely to obtain sufficient nutrients? Look? 314 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: First of all, I would say, that's probably not a 315 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 4: bad way to go because if you're elderly and you're 316 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 4: living by yourself and you don't want to waste food, 317 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 4: food's expensive, so you know, a lot of people resort 318 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: to frozen food rather than fresh, which is okay because 319 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: a lot of these things are you know, either cooked 320 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 4: or picked and snap frozen, So that's okay. I think 321 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 4: the key to that is to make sure that you 322 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 4: eat your portion that they give you, because often when 323 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 4: you're older, you pick like a bird, don't eat a 324 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 4: decent portion. But also make sure you pick a wide 325 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: variety of choices for those meals, because I believe you 326 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 4: pick what ones you want to have delivered, but make 327 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: sure it's not you're not having you know, sausages and 328 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 4: bangers a mash every night, and pick a wide you know, 329 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 4: lots of fruit and ben flip your proteins around lots 330 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: of fruit and veg. And two, you know, if you're 331 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 4: only doing it for dinner meals, what could you have 332 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: for lunch or for breakfast? That can also be nutrition, nutritious, 333 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: and something different to what you're having for dinner. So 334 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 4: could you you know, have a good break like porridge 335 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: or something like that, or eggs or something for breakfast? 336 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: What could you have for lunch? Could you have some 337 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 4: soup or things with lots of fruit and vegin? I 338 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 4: think is the best way to go. But look, I 339 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 4: don't think those things are bad. I think they're good 340 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 4: because they do prompt you to eat. They minimal effort, 341 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 4: so you're not having to, oh, here we go, I 342 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 4: have to cook again, or I have to think. 343 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: About it again. It's all laid on for you, so 344 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: I don't think they're bad choices. Just keep up the. 345 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: Variety, Okay. Russ at Valley View, Hello Ross, Oh hello everyone. 346 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 8: Yes, I don't know whether you can answer my question. 347 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 8: But my wife got dementia and I spoke to Andrew 348 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 8: Ryme and I had a bit of a tough time 349 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 8: at the weekend. But I received a letter today. We 350 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 8: had a say at meeting last week and they've taken 351 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 8: my responsibilities away for looking after it. 352 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 9: Now. 353 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 8: She's been in hospital for seven weeks because she had 354 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 8: an infection and it could have gone septis, and I've 355 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 8: been in every day and helping out. And when she 356 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 8: was getting over her infection, she was letting me take 357 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 8: her give her a shower, and she'd asked to go 358 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 8: to the toilet, and then she'd been shifted around seven times, 359 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 8: and this last time where she was shifted, they said 360 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 8: she couldn't get out of bed because. 361 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 5: She was. 362 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 8: Under The physio said she's not well enough to get out. 363 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 8: And one of the nurses even questioned me this morning 364 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 8: and said you were doing everything for her. What's happened? 365 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 8: And I said, well, they've stopped me from helping get 366 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 8: her out of bed, even though I'm still helping her. 367 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 8: I helped the nurses this morning by sure, and I 368 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 8: make sure you know I'm there. Well, I've been a 369 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 8: bit later lately, from ten ten thirty and I stay 370 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 8: till seven point thirty. Sometimes i'm there to eight thirty 371 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 8: at night. And now the Sakah has taken all my 372 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 8: responsibilities and even financial abilities away, and I don't know 373 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 8: where to turn. What happens. 374 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh, Ross is so much in what you've just 375 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 5: shared with us, and I firstly thank you for calling 376 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 5: and for sharing your story. I'm disappointed that it's not 377 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 5: this isn't a unique story. We're hearing more and more 378 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 5: of these cases, and I just want to really acknowledge 379 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 5: the amazing work that you have been doing to support 380 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 5: your wife, and. 381 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 8: Please supporting the nurses as well because they need help 382 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 8: so hard work with the dementi chip basi. 383 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: Can Ross get an answer as to why it's happened? 384 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: Can you get control back? 385 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 5: It's a really complex. Yeah, it's not easy and we 386 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 5: have supported family members with. 387 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 6: This process before. It is really really complex. 388 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 5: But yeah, I would definitely suggest Ross that, yeah, maybe 389 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 5: you can get in contact with us. 390 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 6: And we don't. 391 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 5: Necessarily have a quick fix to this response, but yeah, 392 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 5: there's certainly avenues that you can explore just to get 393 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 5: a bit more information for what's going on. 394 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: Is there a number Wendy Ross can call or a website? 395 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can contact us through our Dementia Dueler's Australia website. 396 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 6: So dementia. 397 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 8: Sorry with the website all. 398 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 6: Right, I don't have a phone. 399 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: All right? 400 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 8: Is it through Dementia Australia or no. 401 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 5: We're a little bit different. We all work together, but yeah, 402 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 5: we're a little bit different. I I'll google it, you 403 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 5: can get I apologize. I apologize everyone usually and I'm 404 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 5: it's remiss of me ro so I do apologize. 405 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 8: But no, that's okay. It's just that. It was such 406 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 8: a shock when I received the letter today because I 407 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 8: raced home because I couldn't get a kapitia or a 408 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 8: drink at the hospital, so I quickly had made a 409 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 8: cup of tea and then I got the letter today 410 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 8: and it just shot me and Yeah, a social worker 411 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 8: and the doctors haven't even been in to see my wife, 412 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 8: even though I've asked for like the seven weeks, one 413 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 8: or three times, the social workers come and talk to 414 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 8: me and has never explained anything. Have you got a 415 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 8: bend Because he wasn't at the meeting, he said, oh, well, 416 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 8: I was off that day. I don't know what happened. 417 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's there are a lot of complexities to what's 418 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 5: going on, and I'm disappointed that you haven't got any 419 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 5: really straightforward answers. 420 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: Ross. 421 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 5: So yeah, if you want to get in contact with us, 422 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 5: please do and we can certainly have a bit more 423 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 5: of a conversation with you. 424 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: All right, Ross, stayed listening. We'll get a number and 425 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: we'll give it out as we go along. Time for 426 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: the news right now. We've got in the studio though, 427 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: and happy to hear from you. Wendy Hall is here. 428 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: Dementia dulas Australia and Tracy Yean the Green Dispensary. 429 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: Hys Lovell a note with Matthew Pantellus. 430 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: On a Tuesday night at this time we talk health 431 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: and Tracy Yean is here from the Green Dispensary with 432 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: her tonight Wendy Hall Dementia Duller's Australia. Gee, Wendy, that 433 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: call from Russ just before the news and you were, 434 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: as you were saying while speaking to him, you've seen 435 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: this before, Sakat stepping in and taking over from a 436 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: person who is looking after a loved one, a husband 437 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: and wife situation or child parent situation. And we look 438 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: at ramping in this state and the government trying to 439 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: fix that. Well here's a sujin. How about you look 440 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: at what Saycat's doing, trying to keep people in the 441 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: hospital for goodness sake when they probably may not need 442 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: to be there. 443 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think, in fairness to everyone involved, this 444 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 5: just highlights the complexities of dementia that it is not 445 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 5: a cookie cutter condition. It's not one that you just 446 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: kind of you get a diagnosis, you get treatment, and. 447 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 6: Then you kind of just get over it. 448 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 5: It is such a condition and again we know there's 449 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty different types of dementia that have 450 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 5: been identified, So depending on how it's affecting the person, 451 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 5: we know that it affects people's personhood in lifestyle more 452 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 5: than anything. 453 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 6: And so because it doesn't fit neatly into a. 454 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 5: Box, everyone is trying to care, but care from their 455 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 5: own perspective. So you've got people like Ross who are 456 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 5: desperately trying to care and deal with the lifestyle. 457 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 6: And the personhood perspectives. 458 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 5: Then you have the hospital system and other service providers 459 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 5: that are trying to bring that balance. So this is 460 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 5: why we need to have more conversation and have more 461 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 5: opportunities for families to be a part of the care 462 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 5: team rather than kind of like just a passive you know, 463 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 5: they kind of come along for the ride, so to speak. 464 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 5: And that's very much about the role that we play 465 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 5: as we want to make sure families are more informed, 466 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 5: that they can speak the language, that they can really 467 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 5: advocate for the person that they're supporting and also for themselves. 468 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, very bigger lines of communication, because I think 469 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 4: that's the part of feeling helpless too when you're in 470 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 4: Ross's position, is not having that adequate communication with the 471 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 4: healthcare team. It's either then or you. It's not all 472 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: of us together what you should be. But that line 473 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 4: of communication would then empower us to be a part 474 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 4: of that team. And yeah, I think there's a lot 475 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 4: of improvements that can happen in healthcare in general. But 476 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: I think, you know, with what Wendy has been working 477 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 4: so hard towards, with compassion, make care throughout the whole journey, 478 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 4: not just end of life, not just beginning of life, 479 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 4: but so people can have people right through these journeys 480 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: is such a powerful thing and we need so much 481 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 4: more of that, not just with dementia or cognitive to kind, 482 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: but with all health conditions. 483 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: It sounds and I suppose if there's a moral in 484 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: the story and what Ross had to say, if there's 485 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: somebody who has a partner or a loved one, a 486 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: family member with dementia and you want some advice before 487 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: they may end up in hospital to get in touch 488 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: with dementia Dollars Australia perhaps would be a good thing. Yeah, 489 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: and good. 490 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 5: Advice absolutely, and Dementia Australia are the national peabody, so 491 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 5: they are there as well. They've got their twenty four 492 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 5: seven helpline, so they are there as a really good 493 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 5: resource as well. 494 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: And we've got your number. We'll give that out at 495 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 2: the end. So for Ross and anyone else who wants 496 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: to take the number, you've got that now and they'll 497 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: just get a pen and paper. Ready, let's have a 498 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: chat with Fay's waiting on the line from Windsor Garden. 499 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 9: So fe yes, good evening, calld you Okay, question is 500 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 9: and I've got a comment to make of it. But 501 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 9: my question is following Ross's call, which has made me 502 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 9: very sad to have to ring it. We not wander 503 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 9: ring in any way to say that why the hospital 504 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 9: couldn't grant him permission to look after his wife under 505 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 9: the condition that she's in I think it's very appalling 506 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 9: and surely, and this goes for anybody that's got dementia, 507 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 9: because my sister, she not her husband, who was my 508 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 9: brother in law who passed away more than a year ago. 509 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 9: He had dementia and had to go into a nursing 510 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 9: home because she couldn't look after him or wasn't able 511 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 9: to look after him. And I feel as if I'm 512 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 9: still learning about dementia, and I looked at your website, 513 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 9: Dementia Dolls, So sorry Dementia Door's website. I looked on 514 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 9: their website and I thought it was quite good. I'd 515 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 9: like to receive their newsletter as well. 516 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 5: Oh beautiful, Yeah, thank you and Fay you you you 517 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 5: raise more. I guess issues with what we're facing as 518 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 5: well in the system in that often hospitals are a 519 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 5: bit kind of stuck because we just don't have the 520 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 5: the the age care beds, We don't have respite beds available, 521 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 5: so people the hospital has a duty of care to 522 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 5: make sure people stay safe. So someone may go into 523 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 5: hospital with dementia and the hospital needs to make a 524 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 5: call as to whether that person is safe to go home, 525 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 5: and there's a real assessment process they'll go through if 526 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 5: they don't feel they're safe enough to go home and 527 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 5: they feel that, you know, well, there's no beds available. 528 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: That's where hospitals are really Yeah, their hands are tied. 529 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 5: They so people are getting stuck in the hospital system 530 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 5: the unnecessarily purely because. 531 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 6: Of that lack of yeah, age care beds currently. 532 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: And then ramp and goes through the roof. 533 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 6: It's a big role on effect. Thank you, Fae. 534 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: Thanks Faye. Let's talk about tips for managing winter and dementia. Yeah, 535 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: who's going first. 536 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 4: Well, I just thought of a couple of other little 537 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 4: things before we come give our plan, okay, And that 538 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: you know, with dementia and cognitive decline, you know there's 539 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: other factors that may affect people during winter, like if 540 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 4: they have another chronic disease like arthriters or something like that, 541 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: that then causes a whole bunch of pain that they 542 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 4: didn't have a couple of months ago. That would add 543 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 4: to discomfort, almost confusion as to why that's occurring. And two, 544 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 4: that whole sort of perception is the person experiencing the 545 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: cognitive decline able to make those decisions appropriately on their 546 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: own about what they need to dress in to go 547 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 4: in those harsher conditions of winter. There's that risk of 548 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 4: wandering and too potentially being out in the cold, not 549 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: appropriately dressed, not warm, hypothermia, things like that. So there's 550 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 4: just a whole bunch of stuff to think about over 551 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: the cooler months. 552 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 6: There really is. 553 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 5: And as you've alluded to, the people with dementia, even 554 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 5: quite early on, may not be able to recognize pain 555 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 5: in the true sense of what's making them feel unsettled 556 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 5: or uncomfortable and also the hot cold. 557 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 6: So yeah, absolutely that's an issue. 558 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 5: And I think it's important, Tracy that you brought up 559 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 5: about chronic health conditions all round, because if family members 560 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 5: are suffering from their own health conditions, then it means 561 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 5: they're not able to keep the person that they're supporting 562 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 5: engaged in routines and going out on social outings or 563 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 5: even just going to sit out in the garden or 564 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 5: going for a walk around the block. 565 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 6: So we've got to really look. 566 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 5: After our family cares and make sure that they're getting 567 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 5: the support that they need and that they prioritize their 568 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 5: own health as well. 569 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: So part of all of that is having a safe 570 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: and familiar environment obviously for people to be in, and 571 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: you've talked about social engagement and physical activity and everything 572 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: else and managing the temperature needs. It's all really important. 573 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: Communicating with empathy. I think you touched on this a 574 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: bit earlier, Tracy, just in how you're talking with people, 575 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: how people relate. 576 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and this is what the whole platform of dementia 577 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 4: Dollers is that compassionate care and it is it's about 578 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 4: understanding and look, there's frustrations we can't solve all of 579 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 4: the issues in a health system, but what we can 580 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: do is try and either fill gaps or listen to 581 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 4: people's stories, or try and assist them with a bigger understanding. 582 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 4: I believe that's a really powerful thing to do. Just 583 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 4: to feel like you're heard and validated is a. 584 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: Really huge thing. 585 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: But I certainly know you know, when these whole bases 586 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 4: have dementia duellers, both international and Australia, is about that 587 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 4: compassionate care from day one right through and this is 588 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 4: where decisions need to be made and we talk about 589 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: routine start those routines, have those routines happening right from 590 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 4: the beginning, because as the cognition declines even further, the 591 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 4: one thing that will stand out is that that routine 592 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 4: and that you know, thing that is familiar from the 593 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 4: whole journey. 594 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, is advice. 595 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: This one's probably for you, Wendy. When when someone's diagnosed 596 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: is advice forthcoming. Here's what you should do here is 597 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: you know what you need to know? Is there enough 598 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: of that around there? 599 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 5: There is a lot of information around But what we 600 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 5: find as working as dementia duelers is that often families 601 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 5: aren't sure how that translates to their individual circumstances. So 602 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 5: that is often what we help families with is to 603 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 5: be able to take the information that's out there and 604 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 5: then give it to families. 605 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 6: They don't need everything all at. 606 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 5: Once, so we kind of put it into digestible chunks 607 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 5: for families to be able to really understand how certain 608 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 5: times are relevant. Because we know that that dementia can 609 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 5: impact a family for over ten years, so we don't 610 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 5: want families overloaded with lots of information. So there is 611 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 5: a lot out there, so we kind of break it 612 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 5: down and make sure families get what they need when 613 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: they need it and in a way that they can 614 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 5: apply it to their own circumstances. 615 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a quick break and we want 616 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: to talk about a plan moving forward and we'll do 617 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 2: that right on the other side of these words. If 618 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: you'd like to have a chat with Wendy Hall, Dementia 619 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 2: Duelers Australia and Tracy Yen Green Dispensary eight double two 620 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: three double O, double. 621 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: Oh fave double A Notes with Matthew Pantellus. 622 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: And Tracy Ying and Wendy Hall as well. We've been 623 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: talking about dementia tonight, and we're at the stage now 624 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: in our conversation where we look at a plan moving forward. 625 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: So what should people know. 626 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 5: Well, there's kind of lots of I guess, different tangents 627 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 5: that we can come from. 628 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 6: But I think it's really. 629 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 5: Important to just do what is manageable and do what 630 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 5: you can do on a day to day basis. And 631 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 5: I think we've talked about routine over and over, but 632 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 5: it is so so important. It's important to make sure 633 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 5: that you know, if people are getting up a certain 634 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 5: time of day, that they still you know, around that 635 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 5: sort of time, given that it might be darker, it 636 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 5: might be lighter. It's really hard to stick to a routine, 637 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 5: but it is important making sure that someone's getting exposure 638 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 5: to some sort of sunlight. And again, sometimes you don't 639 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 5: want to be out in the sun, or you know 640 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 5: it's too cold to go outside, but even in front 641 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 5: of a window is a start. Making sure that the 642 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 5: skin is getting some sort of sunlight is so important. 643 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 4: Keeping your rooms well at noset rather than dimming the lights, 644 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 4: have some nice bright lights that keep you away and functioning, 645 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 4: and maybe some activities to do at those particular times 646 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 4: when that light transition is changing, but keep it bright 647 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 4: and light. It'll make such a difference on your mood 648 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: but also your behavior absolutely. 649 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 5: And physical activity. It's not about going and joining a gym. 650 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 5: It's about just staying active and having again walking out 651 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 5: into the garden, going around the block, even just going 652 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 5: out to put the bins out or you know, check 653 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 5: the letterbox. When someone has a diagnosis of dementia, it's 654 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 5: very common for people to kind of take over everything 655 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 5: from the person so they don't end up having to 656 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 5: do anything. But even just going out, as I said, 657 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 5: to check the letterbox can be something that at least 658 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 5: helps keep people you know, active and gives them a 659 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 5: sense of purpose in their day. 660 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: So really very important. I've seem to Mensure Australia today, 661 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: just coincidentally to this discussion, have put out a media 662 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 2: release saying that their data shows an increase in Australians 663 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: living with dementia and families and cares reaching out for 664 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 2: care and support, which is organizations like yours Wendy can 665 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: come in so usefully. An estimated four hundred and thirty 666 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: three thousand Australians now living with dementia and that number 667 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: to grow to eight hundred and twelve thousand by twenty 668 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 2: fifty four. Without significant intervention, the need for care and support, 669 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 2: they say, continues to grow. They quote a lady here, 670 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: dementia advocate jo Anne, whose experience firsthand the need for 671 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 2: services and support. Her dad, her sister, and her mum 672 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 2: were diagnosed and she says, my sister Nancy was sixty 673 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 2: one and so healthy exercise, did meditation, actively used her 674 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: mind every day, was so aware of looking after herself, 675 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: didn't possess any risk factor. An immense shock. 676 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, So the types of dementia, when someone's diagnosed under 677 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 5: sixty five, it's a tragedy. 678 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 6: It's a tragedy for anyone. 679 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 5: But certainly there are often some familial type issues that maybe, yeah, 680 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 5: the respect. 681 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: Of what sort of things. 682 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 5: So we talk about modifiable and non modifiable risk factors, 683 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 5: and certainly age is probably the biggest risk factor, which 684 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 5: we really can't do anything about. But a lot of 685 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 5: the modifiable ones are based on diet and true exercise. Yeah, absolutely, 686 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 5: and comes back to social connection is huge the people 687 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 5: that are living. 688 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 6: Very socially isolated. 689 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 5: We know that the best treatment for people in the 690 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 5: early stages of dementia is to stay socially connected, and 691 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 5: it's the one thing they kind of move away from 692 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 5: because of you know, they were aware of those changes. 693 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 5: They know that they're repeating themselves. They're aware that people 694 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 5: are saying you've already said that ten times, and that 695 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 5: really hurts people. So they often withdraw. And we want 696 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 5: people to stay socially connected, and it can be through there. 697 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't have to be having conversations all 698 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 5: the time. It could be you know, bringing out the 699 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 5: board games or cards. And we often talk about Alzheimer's disease, 700 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 5: which is the most common type of dementia. Often I 701 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 5: will use the analogy of the memory filing cabinet, where 702 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 5: you know, over the years, we fill our memory filing 703 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 5: cabinet with skills and wisdom and knowledge. And what Alzheimer's 704 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 5: disease does is that it rips out the. 705 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 6: Last files to go in first. 706 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 5: So the things that happened yesterday gone, the things that 707 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 5: happen in someone's earlier years are often still there. 708 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 6: So engaging with people. 709 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 5: With the things that they used to do from times 710 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 5: gone by, so games or card games or things that they. 711 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 6: Would have done in the earlier years are likely to 712 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 6: still be there. But there is. 713 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 5: A caveat to not get too hung up on playing 714 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 5: a game properly. It's about engagement and connection rather than 715 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 5: is the game being. 716 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 6: Played perfectly or whether someone's cheating. 717 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 5: Or Yeah, it's about having fun and just trying to 718 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 5: take all the pressure off of what's actually going on 719 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 5: around them. 720 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 2: All right, now that number when for people to get 721 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 2: in touch should they need. 722 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 5: So, if you are wanting to get into contact with 723 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 5: the Dementia Dueler, yeah, you can give us a call 724 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 5: on zero four seven five two one six one zero 725 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 5: three and we can put you in contact. We do 726 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 5: actually here in South Australia, we have a health and 727 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 5: wellbeing program coming up starting in August for our older 728 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 5: family members that are supporting someone with dementia. And that's 729 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 5: a funded program of no cost to participants. So if 730 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 5: people want to get in contact with us as well, 731 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 5: I think that would be really good for your getting 732 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 5: through winter and connecting with others and having a bit 733 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 5: of fun along the way. 734 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 2: Okay zero four seven five two one six one zero three. Yeah, okay, 735 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: all right, and Blake's got that out there, so if 736 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 2: you didn't get it, then just give us a call 737 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 2: here at five double a Tracy. If anybody wants to 738 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 2: find you during. 739 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 3: The week, I'm pretty easy to find. 740 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 4: So Monday's, Tuesdays and Fridays up at the Green Dispensary 741 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 4: at Blackwood which is two two Main Road, Blackwood. If 742 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 4: you can't get in, give me a call on eight 743 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 4: two seven eight two three double eight and on Wednesdays 744 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 4: between nine and two thirty. Now I am back up 745 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 4: at Sterling Green Dispensary. Okay, So that's across the road 746 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 4: from the old one used to be in the Woolies complex. 747 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: It's just across the. 748 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 3: Road at the moment. 749 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 4: And the number there is eight double three nine one 750 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 4: three four seven very good, all 751 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 2: Right, right on nine thirty on five double a