1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: She climbed the stairs. The beep came from Laura's bedroom. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: She pushed the door open and saw a scene she'd 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: never forget no matter how much she tried. It shot 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: thousands of practice rounds with glock service pistols over the years, 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: and now it showed. He dropped the clipboard he was holding, 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: pulled his pistol and fired twice from the hip. I'm 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Rule. This is life and crimes. Some crimes have 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: great resonance. We remember them for decades, mainly because not 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: only they are terrible crimes, but they go unsolved for 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: a long time. They become famous cold cases, and it's 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: the mystery element that makes people wonder about them and 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: wonder who done it, who's out there, who got away 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: with it. Others are equally terrible crimes, but they don't 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: capture the same attention because sometimes they are solved reasonably quickly. 15 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about one of those, and 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: it's a case that, on the bare facts, is every 17 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: bit as terrible, every bit as haunting as the notorious 18 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Easy Street case in Collingwood in nineteen seventy seven. This 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: is a double murder of two young women from the 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: country like Easy Street that happened almost thirty years later 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: in the year two thousand and six. It involves two 22 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: sisters from Talamba, which is a little tiny town just 23 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: south of Sheperdon. A hellish hour after the killer forced 24 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: his way into the sisters home, one of the girls 25 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: managed to dial triple zero. The call was cut off 26 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: after five seconds, and so oh it wasn't answered. What 27 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: happened after that is the stuff of nightmares. Laura Urban 28 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: was twenty one, working in her dream job in television 29 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: production at Channel ten. Her sister, Colleen was twenty three, 30 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: a promising photographer who had just been promoted at her 31 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: job in a camera store. They were their parents' only children, 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: country kids who'd come to Melbourne to make their way 33 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: in the world. It's twenty years ago this month since 34 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: Laura and Colleen were raped and murdered by a paroled prisoner, 35 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: a violent sex offender who it turned out, had spied 36 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: on them from next door after cutting down a palm 37 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: tree so he could see their bathroom window. It was 38 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: clearly premeditated. It happened in the early hours of a 39 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: Saturday morning, January twenty eighth, t and six. Colleen, the 40 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: older sister had come home from a housewoman party around 41 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: twelve forty five am to the unit that she shared 42 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: with Laura in Miller's Road, Eltona North. He was a 43 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: big man. He was waiting for her. He attacked after 44 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: she got out of her car. Colleen, barely more than 45 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: half his weight, had no chance. He forced her to 46 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: the door and used her keys to get inside where 47 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Laura was asleep. After spending a quiet evening at home. 48 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: That was at twelve forty five of thereabouts. That call 49 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: to triple zero was at one forty four am an 50 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: hour later, and of course that call was cut off 51 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: by someone in the murder house after five seconds, and 52 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: so it didn't last long enough to be a transferred 53 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: to an operator who could raise the alarm. This is 54 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that must haunt the Irwin girl's parents. 55 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: The girls always called home every day, sometimes several times. 56 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: Their parents, Shirley and Alan Erwin, lived at Talamba, where 57 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: they brought the girls up most of their lives. Talamba 58 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: is on the southern edge of Shepardon. It's one of 59 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: those little country towns that the locals call a small 60 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: town with a big heart. The girls had gone to 61 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: school in shep they'd played sport locally, and they'd worked 62 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: in the fruit caneries to save money to get where 63 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: they wanted to go. Shirley Erwin knew something was wrong 64 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: when her daughters didn't call on that Saturday, and when 65 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: her calls to them went unanswered. She was worried. So 66 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: was her husband. So was the girl's best friend, Candace Osborne, 67 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: who it lived in Melbourne and had a key to 68 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: their unit. Eventually, Candace went around to the sister's unit 69 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: in Miller's Road and she opened the door. It was 70 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: late on that Saturday, was in the evening. Downstairs, everything 71 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: looked normal. Candace walked through the kitchen. She called out, 72 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: No one answered. She almost left, she said later it 73 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 1: felt weird snooping through their house, so she nearly left. 74 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: But then she heard a faint electronic beep. She recognized it. 75 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: It was Colleen's phone. It was set to beep to 76 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: flag any unanswered calls and text messages. Candace was alarmed. 77 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: She climbed the stairs. The beep came from Laura's bedroom. 78 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: She pushed the door open and saw a scene she'd 79 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: never forget, no matter how much she tried. Colleen was 80 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: lying on her back, naked from the waist down. Laura 81 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,559 Speaker 1: was beside her. Both of them had been stabbed to death. 82 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: It didn't take the police long to deduce who they 83 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: were looking for. They did not make his name public 84 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: for legal reasons, but the obvious suspect was the sister's neighbor, 85 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: William John Watkins, whose form as a violent sex offender 86 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: was chilling. Not that they knew that. They knew nothing 87 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: about him. Watkins, who was thirty eight, had been committing 88 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: crime since nineteen eighty five, which was almost as long 89 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: as Laura had been alive. He'd been jailed in May 90 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: two thousand, six years earlier, for rape and aggravated burglary, 91 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: and he had prior convictions for serious assault, been sentenced 92 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: to more than four years, but was released after a 93 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: minimum of two. When police identified Watkins and his prior convictions, 94 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: he was officially quote a person of interest, but significantly 95 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: he had vanished. His employers notified the police on Monday afternoon, 96 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: January thirtieth that he had not turned up for work. 97 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't until then the police got a warrant and 98 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: searched watkins home unit next door to the murder scene. 99 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: Watkins had left just after dawn on that Saturday morning, 100 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: January twenty eight. He'd withdrawn what little money he had 101 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: from a nearby atm at six forty four a m 102 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: exactly six hours after ambushing Colin Rman. It was late 103 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: on Monday before police were confident that Watkins was probably 104 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: the killer, but they did not flag his name and 105 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: prior convictions to interstate police, nor make it public in 106 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: media reports. That decision, or that oversight, nearly cost a 107 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: brave Western Australian policeman his life. Watkins had fled in 108 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: his white Toyota Lexton station Wagon, a vehicle identical to 109 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: a Holden Commodore in everything but badging. He had a 110 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: two day start. No one knew which direction he'd taken. 111 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: Around nine thirty Tuesday morning, January the thirty first, a 112 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: white Commodore station wagon as it appeared to be, pulled 113 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: into the Fortes Q roadhouse at Mardi, one hundred and 114 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: ten kilometers from Caratha in the Pilbra region of Western Australia, 115 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: bordering a vast area of the north where Victorian fugities 116 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: sometimes fled to hide to get lost. The driver filled 117 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: the car with eighty dollars worth of petrol and then 118 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: drove off northwards without paying. It was a drive off 119 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: the roadhouse attendant called Karatha police to report the theft. 120 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: Sergeant Shane Gray caught what seemed a routine job. The 121 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: other on duty officer didn't have his police belt, pistol 122 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: and handcuffs with him. Rather than wait for his mate 123 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: to grab his gear, Sergeant Gray headed out alone, driving 124 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: south in a marked patrol car to watch for the 125 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: white station megan. He was playing the car radio and 126 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: as luck had it, his favorite song came on American 127 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: Pie by Don McLean. Just as he saw a car 128 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: approaching in the distance, the song hit the last line, 129 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: this will be the day, that are day. It almost 130 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: was the approaching car, the wanted white station wagon. The 131 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: policeman flashed his headlights, did a U turn and hit 132 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: the siren and lights. The wagon kept on at a 133 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: steady one hundred and ten kilometers an hour for a 134 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: short distance, then pulled over on a straight stretch about 135 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: fifteen k's from Caratha. Sergeant Gray parked well behind it 136 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: and called in the car's details, only to be told 137 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: there was nothing known about it or its driver, meaning 138 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: that in the eighteen hours that Victoria police had known 139 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: that a double murder suspect was on the run in 140 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: his readily identifiable car. Their interstate counterparts had not been warned. 141 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: No other police outside Victoria knew anything about Watkins or 142 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: his car. Assured that it was nothing but a petty 143 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: petrol drive off. Sergeant Gray walked up to the car. 144 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: Small job, but when he saw the driver he felt 145 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: a pang of caution. The man was at least a 146 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: hundred kilograms and muscular and hard looking with it. The 147 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: policeman later described him as looking like a rugby player. 148 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: The big man showed his driver's license quite willingly. He 149 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: admitted he had stolen the petrol because he had no money. 150 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: In fact, he said he'd done it earlier, in the 151 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: same trip which he had. Sergeant Gray went back to 152 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: the police car and called in the details the name 153 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: and dated Bertha the driver William John Watkins born twenty 154 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: fourth of April nineteen sixty seven. The Karathur officers checked 155 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: the name inquiry system on the police computer and told 156 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: the sergeant that Watkins wasn't on the West Australian data base. 157 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: No problems. Sergeant Gray replied that he was going to 158 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: try and arrest the bloke, but he said, he's a 159 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: big guy, so can you send out a secure vehicle 160 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: to take him back in? He meant paddy wagon or 161 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: Divvy van whatever. He didn't feel like putting him in 162 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: a sedan with himself. A police fan was sent, but 163 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: no one had any clue they could be dealing with 164 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: a double murderer on the run, probably the most desperate 165 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: man in Australia that month. The sergeant told Watkins he'd 166 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: have to come to the police station in Karatha. The 167 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: big man stayed dead calm and was strikingly co operative. 168 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: He locked his car and he walked towards the police car. 169 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: Sergeant Gray did the right thing and he stayed towards 170 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: the middle of the road to keep a little bit 171 00:12:53,880 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: of distance between him and the offender. But it wasn't enough. Suddenly, 172 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: Sergeant Gray saw a white flash, as he described it later, 173 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: and a vicious blow hit him on the left side 174 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: of the head. It was the worst punch he'd ever 175 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: copped in a long career. The policeman went to the 176 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: ground on all fours while Watkins rain punches on him 177 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: and kneading twice Wakins told him, you're a dead kid, 178 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: with chilling calm. It was a promise, not bluster. The 179 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: policeman was scared for his life, and he knew that 180 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: his life was in danger, that any second now he'd 181 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: be dead. But the muscle memory from his training kicked in. 182 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: He said later that he'd shot thousands of practice rounds 183 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: with clock service pistols over the years, and now it showed. 184 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: He dropped the clip board he was holding, pulled his 185 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: pistol and fired twice from the hip as Watkins closed 186 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: in for the kill. The first shot hit the big 187 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: man in the torso. In fact, it went up through 188 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: his lungs, and it was a fatal shot. He grunted 189 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: and spoiled sideways. The second shot went wide. William Watkins, 190 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: rapist and murderer, had picked the wrong man. A proficient 191 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: shot under pressure wasn't Shane Gray's day to die, but 192 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: he had come terrifyingly close. Watkins had hit him so 193 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: hard that his nose had virtually disappeared and was pushed 194 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: up under one of his cheek b His teeth were 195 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: cracked and his ribs battered. It was as if he'd 196 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: been run over. Sergeant Gray would later tell a hushed 197 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: coroner's court he was going to kill me, simple as 198 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: that he had the ability and the means and everything 199 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: to take me out. I was gone. I was going 200 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: back to the ground. As soon as I was on 201 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: that ground, I was gone. He could have punched me 202 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: one more time to the head and I would have 203 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: no doubt he would have taken my firearm, finished me off, 204 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: and then driven into the sunset. Instead, Watkins had a 205 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: forty caliber bullet in his vital organs. He collapsed a 206 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: few steps away. He was dead by the time the 207 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: police van arrived minutes later. By then, Shane Gray was 208 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: also spoiled on the road, injured and totally shattered by 209 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: his brush with death. The quiet policeman was in hospital 210 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: before he found out the truth about the monster who 211 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: tried to kill him. By then, four and a half 212 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: thousand kilometers away in Talamba, Shirley and Alan Irwine were 213 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: facing the first terrible week of the rest of their 214 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: lives when a detective called late to say they got him. 215 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: It meant a lot. William Watkins's death could never bring 216 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: their girls home, but it built a bond between two 217 00:16:53,800 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: families living a continent apart, Shane Gray, the injured policeman 218 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: and his wife, and the grieving parents became firm friends, 219 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: glued together by terrible events and fear and grief. Shirley 220 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: Erwin struggled later to describe how close she felt to 221 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: the brave and humble man who'd shot the beast who 222 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: killed her girls. Shane doesn't want to be called a hero, 223 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: she said, but he did Colin and Laura justice, and 224 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: he did the world of favor. Thanks for listening. 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