1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: My parents. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm not living with them. I'm just staying with them. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: I'm looking I'm taking care of them at the moment. Yeah, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: because I don't know if you know, but these two 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: late you know there, they're getting old. 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 3: Let's hope you do look after me when I'm like 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: mid seventies and I'm actually shooting myself. 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: And things like that. 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 3: You to wipe my ass, change my nappy, all that 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 3: sort of stuff. 11 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Look forward to. 12 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure the home I put you in obviously when 13 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: i'm living. 14 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Truth right. 15 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: Also, I'll make sure i'll redecorate your bedroom upstairs when 16 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: i'm up there as well. It'll be good fun just 17 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 2: through out the work bench, mate, I'm going to get 18 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: all the boys in here. Fox's family is going to 19 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: move in. I'm in here, Brandon. 20 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: The monsters. 21 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: I don't want them. That'd be horrible. Josh had a car, mate, 22 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: Good to have. 23 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: You any good? 24 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, I don't know if you know how to 25 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: work a mic before, if you work too. 26 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Far away, yeah, you get it. 27 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: You'll be able to hear yourself in the We call 28 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: these things cans. Cans. 29 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: They're away. 30 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: No, you're not allowed. Just when you laugh, go all 31 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: the way back there. What have you been doing? What's happing? 32 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: Not much, bro, just family time with the kids. Missus. 33 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Father again, huh father again? Well done? Another little boy, 34 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: Jack Jada Black? 35 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: Were you hoping is there? Are you thinking about? Were 36 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: you hoping there to be a girl? Because you've already 37 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: got a little boy. I want to try full of boys, bro, 38 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: you just want all boys. 39 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: I already got my girl right fighting troop by the graces. 40 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: I think the same too, you know what I mean? 41 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: Make sure they look after the trouble. 42 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be good. But they all play footy? 43 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 44 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: You want them to. 45 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't want them to. But if they love it, 46 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: then you. 47 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: Were the same, right dude, You probably didn't want You 48 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: didn't want us to play footy. 49 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: I was happy to do whatever you wanted to do. 50 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: But look in an ideal world. I remember having a 51 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: conversation with Jack wants to mate, listen, why don't you 52 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: go go to the States to get a college education? 53 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 3: And he was like, nah, Dad, you know Friday nights 54 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: I corrupted you sitting every Friday night, me drinking on 55 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: the couch watching Friday night football. 56 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: It just bled into you. Blokes. 57 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you do? You choose your own path anyway. 58 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: I can't tell you what to. 59 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: Do exactly, bro. And if you tell, if you try 60 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: to tell your kids what to do, you know what 61 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: they're going to do. Fox. Let them pick their own path. 62 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: I give them enough road to trip over. 63 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: Thanks for the gifts to by the way. 64 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try it, man. 65 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: I think I love this green. You know, green is 66 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: my color. Green, Green is my color. I mate, I 67 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: get attracted door things green. It's a roll leg green. 68 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I appreciate it. It's awesome. 69 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: Let's talk quickly. But Paramatta, right now, how are you 70 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: enjoying time over and paramounter? 71 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: I love? 72 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, just the people, the player group, the coaching staff, 73 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: everyone behind administration there. Transitioned really well into the team. 74 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: I knew a lot of the boys and the coaching staff, 75 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: so love and I know we're not getting the results 76 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 4: at the moment, we're not far off, but just just 77 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: loving the way we want to play in the stole 78 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: of foota we want to play. 79 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed it. 80 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: You've come from clubs with good fan base. Melbourne had 81 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: a good fan base, Bulldog's got a crazy fan base. 82 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: Paramatta like there is. That's as big a fan base 83 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: as called. 84 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: The Sleeping Giant. 85 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, how's the Roles files going Jason Rolls? 86 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: Obviously you had him as assistant coach at Melbourne. You've 87 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: got a good relationship with him. Has you been going. 88 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: He's been going good man. 89 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: You know, he's the same as when we were at 90 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 4: the Storm. But I don't think not much has changed. 91 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 4: But he's been good. 92 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: But this is still not alluding to what he used 93 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: to put on the powerpoints when he was an assistant coach. 94 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, used to call Billy Billy Walters used to 95 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: call it the greatest showman because he had a really 96 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: good dummy. But he used to take used to do 97 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: these things like at the start of every meeting. It 98 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: was just like you know that one mate in a 99 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: group chat who always somehow gets the sickest videos. Let's 100 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: get sent to him. He'd always just put this real 101 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: like sickening video just to get the room laughing, and 102 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: then he'd have everyone. 103 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: Does he still do that? 104 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 105 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: Phil Jackson coached the Chicago Bulls, probably the greatest, one 106 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 3: of the greatest coaches history of sports. When he used 107 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: to do the videos for the Chicago Bulls with Jordan 108 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: and all those blokes, he used to like sort of 109 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: cut together into the film scenes from the Wizard of 110 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: Oz and everything. Get them laughing. 111 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: Oh really like that? He was really imagining. 112 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: If I mean, if you're gonna sit there in a 113 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: team meeting for anyhow, you may as well be able 114 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: to have a bit of a laugh. 115 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: And you want energy before the meeting too. I think 116 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: that's what rosal. He makes the meetings and training fun. 117 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: Got to hear some of the coaches, Foxy. Just imagine 118 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: sitting in a meeting with that for an how and 119 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: a half. 120 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we just. 121 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: We sort of like, you know, I think we're better 122 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: than that, just going off. Yeah, I wonder some people 123 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: sit there, you know? Am I wasting my life? 124 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: Yes? 125 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? What about the playing group? What about the boys 126 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: that you haven't seen? You a lot of them coming in. 127 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: But how is the because every playing groups like different 128 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: every you have loose characters in there, what's the paramatter? 129 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: Like? Let sleep, bro, I feel like we're a close bunch. 130 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: You know, they're good, They're good bunch of boys. 131 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: Who's your game? 132 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: Uh? One? 133 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: Or two senior player, you've got to basically after all 134 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: of them. 135 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 4: That's true because we live we live all over Sydney 136 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: bro We always try to catch up with a cafe 137 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 4: before training before captains run. 138 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: But I feel like we're all close group. 139 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: Did you play with Mitch at the Tigers? 140 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: Yes? I was that the titles with Mitch Mitch. 141 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's We always. 142 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: Talk about it. Back in the days, we had a 143 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: pretty good side. 144 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you had a well like back in those 145 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: days to a lot of you young guys who are 146 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: all like sort of scattered around in the NRL now 147 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: and leaders at their respective clubs, but you guys were 148 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: like you were probably the you guys were the rat 149 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: pack of the West Tigers and now you're all like, 150 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: you know, good family man all your respective clubs. But 151 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: I imagine you'd have some cracking stories, not for not 152 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: for the. 153 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: Like what, he's a good players, a good kid. 154 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: He's a very good kid. 155 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 4: He keeps to himself, but I feel like over the 156 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 4: last couple of weeks he's really coming out of the 157 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 4: shell and has a laugh at the boys, comes out 158 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 4: the breaky like I said, and he's definitely a shigning like. 159 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: Tear Blake, I reckon, you get on really good with 160 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: He's an old player who went to Union for years. 161 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: Scotty wise Man or one of the assistants. 162 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: Scotty how good is love him? 163 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: Because I had the time of up in lenox Head 164 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 4: when Covid when Covid. 165 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: Here, Oh yeah, was he up there? 166 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: He was? 167 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 4: That's why who I did a little pre season because 168 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: I last stayed in Sydney and everyone had to go 169 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 4: to melbur. 170 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: You and George Jennings, Yes, yeah, that's right. I remember your. 171 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: Storm said, oh, we got like a couple of hours 172 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: to pack all that stuff up and drive down to Melbourne. 173 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: I said, I can't, like I don't know, I had 174 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: something on or whatever. 175 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 4: But end up getting stuck in Sydney and they were like, oh, 176 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: you have to move to to lenox Head for three 177 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 4: or four weeks, have a little mini pre season up 178 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: there because there was a green zone. 179 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: And Sydney was a red zone. Yeah that's right, Yeah, 180 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: I had all these little zones. 181 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: I remember when you did it. Yeah, all the boys 182 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: were off because you guys were remember we were in 183 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: we were in Melbourne and it was like piercing down 184 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: rain and Foxy and Jenks were in Where was that Lennox? 185 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: And it was like every day they just post pictures 186 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: at the beach and just the locals made. 187 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: Us so fun for they cooked to the surf. I 188 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: don't have to surf. I don't even know how to swim, 189 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: but a surf I was. 190 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: I'm trying to get out there. But I'm just you know, 191 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: I'm not the fittest person at all. I'm trying to. 192 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: Make your a Lando. 193 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: Bargain with a crack. Yeah. 194 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: Well, why is he going to full circle? Why is 195 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: he played under twenty one for Paramount of President's Cup 196 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: that's called back in the day. Then he went away 197 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: went into the union coaching union with the war Tars Wallabies, 198 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: English Ruby Union back of Paramount. Tremendous fella. 199 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 4: He's so smart, like he comes up with little drills 200 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: that we can work on, like within our game. I'll 201 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: sit down with them all at the time, and obviously 202 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: it was part of the union there for a bit 203 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 4: and Rosie give me heads up just to try to 204 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 4: give him a hand and a few areas and that's 205 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: something I really enjoyed. Try to coach the boys and 206 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: help the boys and help our coaches as well. 207 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: That's good. 208 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: And let's go to your und our old journey for 209 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 2: a week. Let's start right in the beginning. You start 210 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: at the Sharkis of your South juniors. 211 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah right, he went Mattreville Light, didn't you? 212 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: Yes? 213 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: Did you come through with any of the boys there. 214 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of us. 215 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: Adnamshan Or Blake, Tyron Phillips, Aaron Gray, Dylan Walker. 216 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: Reno went there, didn't. 217 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: Boy Cord? 218 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: What was Blake like in school? 219 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: He's just stubborn brother. 220 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 4: I played so much football with Adam through school obviously 221 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: through Souse as well. 222 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: I've known him since under elevens or something. 223 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: He's a good player, He's freak. He's so good. 224 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: But if you if you looked at us two back 225 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 4: in the day, you think, oh no, there's two followers 226 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 4: and never making you know what I mean, like all 227 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: the two rat. 228 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Bays and fifteen. You know what, it's just good to 229 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: see that. 230 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: You know, he he's stuck by his dream and he's 231 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: a feeling man now and he's back in. 232 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: Sydney and enjoy his foot. 233 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, great places come out of Matroville, so all once 234 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 3: spoken about. But back in the day, Michael Whitney, who 235 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 3: was a left hand let's Australian cricketer. 236 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:51,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 237 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: Actually he was the guy one of the major reasons 238 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: South got back in the competition, massive south Man. 239 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: But also the Ollow brothers. 240 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, Gary, Gary and Mark Loave It three brothers 241 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: who played for the Wallabies. Now the mainstay of the 242 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 3: eighty four Grand Slam Mark Keller. Many believe him to 243 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: be the greatest union player of all time. Naturally, really, yeah, 244 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: they came through the greats playing rugby league. 245 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 2: They all played Wallabies together. 246 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 3: All played Wallabies together on the same side. 247 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. But I wanted to ask the Sharks 248 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: because you played under twenties at the Sharks, yep, did what. 249 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: Were the did the Sharks? 250 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: Like I've always wanted to know. I always wanted to 251 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: ask you, did the Sharks want to keep you there? 252 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: Or like did something happen or because you end up 253 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: at the obviously debut at the Tigers. But I thought 254 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: I'd imagine you would have been a junior that like, 255 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: if you were coming through their ranks, they would have 256 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: wanted to retain it, right. 257 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't a so how it all started for me? 258 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 4: I signed up online because I was gone through a 259 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 4: bit of stuff when I was younger, just had a 260 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 4: year off foot and I signed up on the line 261 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 4: for a trial at the Sharks. The Bulldogs and the 262 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 4: Sharks tried out for both and I think it was 263 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 4: like one hundred players to try out for the under twenties, 264 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 4: and that's how sort of all started for me. And 265 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: I was the only play out of like one hundred 266 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: players that get picked out of that troll to stay 267 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: with the under twenty side. And I was like, I 268 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: think I was I didn't even I wasn't meant to 269 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 4: play round one under twenties. And then with one of 270 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 4: the wingers pulled up sick or something and ended up 271 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 4: getting the crack there and scored I think two three 272 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: tries against the Gold Coast Times and that's sort of 273 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 4: helped started for me and kept my position there. Played 274 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 4: fullback a bit of five eight there as well. Yeah, 275 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: fullback center wi mister fixed back. 276 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: He's the passing going on John West Bro. 277 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed my football there, Bro. 278 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 4: But yeah, Flano was the head coach there, stayed there 279 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: for two years. They just wanted to sign me for 280 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: was Cup after after twenties. But Melbourne and the Tigers 281 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: wanted to sign me for first grade for both one year, 282 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: and I just thought it was the first grade contract. 283 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: Never really trained me first grade at the Sharks as well, 284 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 4: So I just wanted to give it one more crack. 285 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 4: That's that was my attitude towards it. Just give it 286 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: a last last crack. 287 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 5: And that's why I went to the the So what 288 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 5: so Melbourne were circling you then, Yeah, they wanted to 289 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 5: sign me for one you deal to go down there, 290 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: but I was like, I wasn't stable at the time, 291 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 5: like just living was. So I was like, I'll give 292 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 5: it one last crack here in Sydney with the West Tigers. 293 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: Then I played nine games there and yeah, I. 294 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: Remember that Sunday like hard over against the same game. 295 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you'd signed with Melbourne two weeks before. 296 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: That, right was captains run day before? 297 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: So the day before, oh wow, day before the Tigers. 298 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: No, No, they didn't know. That's what I mean, like 299 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: Tigers are always the last enough, no last side. 300 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: Because I was obviously going really well in this of 301 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 4: Ours Cup and I wasn't getting a crack and and 302 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 4: it's melturne storm but they offered me, I think a 303 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 4: three deal or something. And still if I don't take, 304 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 4: you know, and yeah, I'm signing the contract day before 305 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 4: Captain's run. And then the next day I didn't even 306 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: know I was going to play. They all told me 307 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 4: or David, David's out, You're in, but they. 308 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: Didn't telling And the back of it, I'm like, I 309 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: just signed. 310 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: It's an incredible coincidence though, that your first grade to 311 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: Boo and his first grade to against each other, and 312 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: you blokes would actually form one of the great wing combinations. 313 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: It's crazy when I look back at it. 314 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: Now, do you like still speak to him just on Instagram? 315 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: I just reply to his stuff here and there. 316 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: He's still not crazy down he's in. 317 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: I think he's in Japan at the moment. 318 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: I think he signed with like overseas quiet, but every 319 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 4: now and then we touch base. 320 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's one of the great mysteries. He hasn't 321 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 3: dominated union. I thought that when he went there to 322 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: here we Go, he did. 323 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: A real bad hamstring remember when he first went and 324 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: he was out for like nearly the whole year. And 325 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: I don't think he's like I think like they've struggled 326 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: to rehabit for a while. I think he's sort of 327 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: come in and out of the side, like he's injured 328 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: a lot of the time. 329 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: So Fox, just when you went to I don't want 330 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: to jump too far ahead here. 331 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: You just tell me if I've gone a little bit too. 332 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: You go to your plans, you can see you can 333 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: see who the alpha. 334 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 4: And the. 335 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: Bloke behind us. 336 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: When you went. 337 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: So when you went to Melbourne, what was the first 338 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: conversation you had with with Craig as far as the 339 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: expectations he had on you. 340 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: It was at the front of his house with that 341 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 4: cafe across the road from his house. 342 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: In Oh yeah, what is that? 343 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: To be honest, I can't remember, but. 344 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: I think I was telling him at the time, like, okay, 345 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: I can't remember what the common station was until I 346 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: got the first day of pre season. 347 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: Yep. He's like, yeah, you. 348 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: Can't be doing all this Larry stuff after trials and sweet. 349 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah done, but no problems. But the first ever meeting. 350 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: I was so worried about, like moving to another city 351 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: or another state. He's like, look, mate, if it doesn't 352 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 4: work out, we can we can send you back home 353 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: with no stress. So you don't need to worry about that. 354 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: Oh really, he always gave you that option, Like. 355 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I always that, Yeah, give me that option. But so, 356 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 4: and that's probably the only thing I remember from that conversation. 357 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: Did you ever have that temptation to go back or 358 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: did you love it straight away? 359 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: Rather the first year I was struggling. I didn't know 360 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 4: anything about tax and all that kind of stuff. So 361 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 4: I went brought a brand new car, brand new highlus. 362 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: I didn't know anything about tax I thought of the 363 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: multimnion at the time. 364 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I bought a brand new car. 365 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: I was paying a fortune for that, and then I 366 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: have to obviously live in a house and I was 367 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 4: living off like one hundred dollars tow hundred bucks a 368 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 4: week and I was struggling. 369 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I ring my best man. 370 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: I said, but I don't think I can stay down anymore, 371 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: because I was living off two hundred two hundred bus 372 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: or one hundred bucks a week or whatever it was. 373 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 4: And I almost almost moved back. My best man was like, no, 374 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: I just stay down to stick to it. And that 375 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 4: was probably just before the season started. So I didn't 376 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: know whether I was dayborn. 377 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: So so you didn't know like obviously that Melbourne preseason 378 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: must have been like a shock to the system for you, 379 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: because look, letting people know like Foxy is a is 380 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: a sublime athlete, he's a fast twitch man, and in 381 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: the gym you can like throw weight around like because 382 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: you're powerful, spots power. But when you were still be 383 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: the one effort man, because you do a lot of 384 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: conditioning games, heaps are running like for a long period 385 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: of time and say like the ball, get out the 386 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: fox and you'd go one hundred meters and score. But 387 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: then for the next five minutes in the game, Foxy 388 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: was just he was out like you would So that 389 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: first pre seas it must have been that's a minute 390 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: man's moments moment. 391 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 5: Man. 392 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very tough, but believe it. And I 393 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 4: was pretty I was actually pretty fit. How skinny I 394 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: was before I went to Melbourne. That's when it just 395 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: hit me, like a ton of bricks, just the way 396 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 4: they trained and how the intensity of training like after 397 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 4: a recession, but like you could only walk put their 398 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 4: conditioning games into third h whatever into like we'll find 399 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: we'll finish on. 400 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: Running. 401 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be away at the back like it was 402 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 4: just so it's just a mental thing. Like, yeah, just 403 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 4: don't stop moving sort of thing. But I remember when Craig, 404 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 4: because Craig didn't come back to training for like two 405 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 4: or three weeks in the preseason, and the first session back, 406 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: I think it was the hardest day. It was like 407 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: a Tuesday or something, and we did the session and 408 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 4: we're doing M A S. And I was way at 409 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: the back, and you know when you're real tired by 410 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: your head starts going off. 411 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, the squibvel. 412 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like, your head's not gonna make you run 413 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 4: fast or something. 414 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: Some stuff like that. 415 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: So we used to I love the noises used to 416 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: make we always we used to impersonate all the time 417 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: when we were running, because you go fun like the 418 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 2: two starting wingers. When I got there the next year, 419 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: when we were doing mass, which is like the worst 420 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: part of the sash because it's just my numbing running 421 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: and it's mentally that hard because it's not at least 422 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: conn games, like you're thinking about footy, so you're not 423 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: focused on running. But it'll be Foxy Foxy at the back, 424 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: just going and then surely next to him and surely 425 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: takes his boots off and he just would run barefoot 426 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: and just just be cruising. It was so funny. 427 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: What about the work we're having to do? The work 428 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: site stuff? 429 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 4: Early on Fox, Oh, I was a laborer brother before 430 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 4: we went the Bulders, I was all right, ah. 431 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: You're wrong. 432 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: So you were across the word pro. 433 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: I was already cross it. 434 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 4: But the tough thing was obviously getting uper three or 435 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 4: four cock or whatever it was to. 436 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: Do gym and then and then go and work all day. 437 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 4: I was actually blessed with them with the work I 438 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: had because we had a concretor, but he didn't make 439 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 4: a start till like eight thirty. So when we're finished, 440 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: when we finished training in the gym, I mean one 441 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: of the boys would go to Hungry Jackson to sleep 442 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 4: in the car park for about an hour or two. 443 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: Did you yeah, yeah, So who do. 444 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: You work with that? 445 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 446 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: I can't Tony. I think it was Tony. He was 447 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: a he was a concretor. 448 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, far out because that is that work program 449 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: is so tough. What did you do the end when 450 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: you did Army camp that year, because obviously first players 451 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: every it's pretty well documented, do a big Army camp. 452 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: Was that a team the whole team one? Or was 453 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: that just all the new players. 454 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 4: And I just saw the new players because we had myself, myself, 455 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 4: Jerome Juzzy two. 456 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: He that was our first year there. So Jerome's never 457 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: done that because he's back. 458 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeromes Hughes, the only person who plays in the 459 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: Melvin Streamer still hasn't done a proper Army camp. 460 00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Hasn't heard him. 461 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, he used to be hurt every pre season. He 462 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: have a surgery Liz Frankie out of Gary Jack one 463 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: and he just could never put him in because the 464 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: physios were like he'll break down. Yeah yeah wow, And 465 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: now it's just too far gone. I think he's just 466 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 2: like he's not a dallim. 467 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 3: Now. 468 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: Was it was it Foxy Camp? 469 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? 470 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: It was? It was. It was very very hard. I 471 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: don't three days no sleep. You know. We had a 472 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: good crew. That was the thing. 473 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: Like we had the best thing about the Army camps, 474 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 4: like you get good stories and good laughs out of them, 475 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: because no matter what you do, you're gonna fail and 476 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 4: do penalties in the Army camp. So I probably should 477 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: have won it, but bells are don't given things. 478 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: Who did when you're on. 479 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: I was just edited through that the whole throughout the 480 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: whole you. 481 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: Would have been good for Anna. 482 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 483 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: The first night killed me, but we walked we walked 484 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 4: up to the thousand stairs. 485 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 486 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 4: I think we did about three laps of that and 487 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 4: that killed me. But after that I was I. 488 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 2: Remember there are stories of two we because I did 489 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 2: the one the year after you and the boys were 490 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: saying two. He was like just a machine. 491 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: Though. 492 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: There were some nights when two we would pick up 493 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: like some of the boys and just put it, have 494 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: him over his shoulder, and he'd be like soldering on 495 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: with him too. He's had a man mountain. 496 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: Like he because I was his partner on the thousand steps. 497 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, you have a big drum of water. 498 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bro'm back. 499 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: I can't walk up this because I was at the back. 500 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: Hole it from the back, you know what I mean. 501 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 4: And he goes, it's all right, my brother, that's all right, 502 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 4: picks up what his shoulder, brother puts the both on 503 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 4: the thing like that. 504 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 505 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, seriously, He's like, it's all good, my brother. 506 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: I got to you. I got to that's awesome. 507 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: Nothing phases to like everything. Two he is, you might 508 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: ask might be having the worst week of his life. Yeah, 509 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: and you just go brah seki my brother, Yeah, my 510 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: brother And then he's having a really good week and 511 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 2: how good is that? Mate? You just scored four tries? 512 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: How are you going? I can seeking. My brother always 513 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: is always the same ade. 514 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: It was always the same fresh ass and just cruisy. 515 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah he's so good. 516 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: What are they like on the sea, Like the says 517 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: blokes on that camp, do they get in your face? 518 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 3: And yeah, you got to. 519 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 4: Rip in from the very very start. If you rip 520 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 4: in from the very start, they leave you alone. But 521 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 4: if you're just like just not not putting the work in, 522 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 4: I'm not bringing energy in that, they'll fucking get into 523 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 4: your other whole camp. 524 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 3: Who was the guy on the camps boys? Which was 525 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: there anyone that really struggled they went after in yours caups? 526 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Apart from yourself? 527 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: I remember, very low blow, very cheap for that. There 528 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: was one bloke and I think he's played first grade 529 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 2: at the Warriors. Actually he didn't. They were tipping him 530 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 2: to be the next Suley. You remember Junior Retover. They got 531 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: him out of Fiji and he was he was a winger. Yeah, 532 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: he was huge a he was six foot seven. He 533 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: was a man mountain like he was a could run too, 534 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: just didn't really love training back then, and they just 535 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 2: went after Junior. Yeah, and I remember we had to 536 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: so Brandon Smith won our camp, right, and remember that 537 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: on day two with you go right, they might get 538 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: foxy up and you've got to rank everybody from last 539 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 2: to first on how they've been at the camp with 540 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: like a brutal honesty. So you just got a hammer. 541 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: The ones that have been bad, you pull them up 542 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: straight away. You you haven't done this, You haven't done this. 543 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 2: Junior come last on everyone's reviews. But Brandon. So, Brandon 544 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: got told by the army guy because Brandon was killing it. 545 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: They said, you're the like you know, we can see 546 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: that you're the leader of this group. You hammer who 547 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: he thinks last, and you go after him. You set 548 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: the tone. And Brandon goes out there. He goes, yes, 549 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: sweet fuck it, Brandon. Brandon just starts going, yeah, Junior, 550 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: you haven't done this. This this, you know, I wouldn't 551 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: want to lay the boot up next to here. Oh no, 552 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: And me and Harry are looking at each other going 553 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: holy shit, but this is ruthless. And Harry was up next. 554 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: Harry Grant so Harry's going, I've got to follow this, 555 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: and he's going, yeah, I wouldn't. He goes seeing what 556 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: I've seen this, I wouldn't play alongside yet, like I 557 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: would not like Sabuda hammered him. Anyway, Junior was the 558 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: last person like he you know, everyone sort of hammed him. 559 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: I felt bad because he just wasn't a good trainer, 560 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: like he was a gun player. And then Junior gets 561 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: up there and he goes, okay, guys, and he was 562 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: last after everyone just hading him, and he goes, okay, guys. 563 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: So my last is Brandon. And just because Brandon hammered 564 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: him and went really personal, he put Brandon laugh and 565 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: hammered Brandon. And Brandon was sitting there going like clearly 566 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: he was going to win it. All the army guys 567 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 2: you could see them actually laughing because I was like, 568 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: he's just hammerding him because he like is off branded. 569 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: It was funny, man. 570 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: That is so good. What about you. 571 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 2: The big your first interaction with like Smitty Coober Crunk, 572 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: Billy Slater. 573 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that must have been pretty What was that like 574 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: going to training watching those plays? 575 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I back then, but I just loved playing football. 576 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 4: I didn't know, I didn't know what fill in the 577 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 4: space was. I didn't know what time in the town 578 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: of Shape was, like all that kind of stuff. But 579 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 4: me and Bill and Coops and Smithy like how professionally 580 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 4: they were and like just just genuine people. I remember 581 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: I remember meeting Cam and I was shaking his hand. 582 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 4: I say, Bro, I'm Josh and He's like, hey man, I'm. 583 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: Cameron, and I'm like, bro, I know you know what 584 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean. 585 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 4: It just blew me away that like he introduced himself 586 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: with his name. He could have just been arrogant, like 587 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 4: knowing that I knew who he was already, but that 588 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 4: just blew me away in itself, you know, just just 589 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: to show like what type of person he was. Even 590 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 4: Coops and Bill were the same as well. So there's 591 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 4: probably a standout moment there when I first moved to 592 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: the club. 593 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 2: Did they Like a lot of people always say, you 594 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: know how and you would have seen it when you 595 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: come back to Sydney clubs and stuff, the culture of 596 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: a club where it's like you're in a team meeting 597 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: and all the big dogs talk. But I imagine it 598 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: would have been and you probably would have been the 599 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: first few weeks you're in there. You've got Cooper Kronk, 600 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: Billy Slade Up, Craig Bellamy, Cameron Smith, the Bromidge Brothers. 601 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: You're probably sitting there going, I don't want to say 602 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: a word, but they probably they actually forced you to speak, 603 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: Like I imagine that would have been a bit of it, 604 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: Like you would have been so rad on having to 605 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: talk give your opinion. 606 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 4: And it was because I hate, like I know what 607 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 4: I'm seeing like in video and that. But like Bells 608 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 4: would be like, Josh, what do you reckon here? And 609 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, man, I don't know, but yeah, I 610 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 4: like come to a point but where I was just like, mate, 611 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, like you know what I mean, Like 612 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 4: I wouldn't beat around the bush because like a head yeah, 613 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: and then like straight made, I don't the boys would 614 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 4: start this cracking up. 615 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: He'd appreciate that, would yah, Yeah, that's what I mean. 616 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: Like I didn't beat around the bush. I'd be like 617 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: fu made, I don't actually, but. 618 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember at that time, Bells were talking about 619 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 4: retiring and you could see why because we had. 620 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: You can see you can see why because. 621 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 4: The senior players how much they took over video. They 622 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 4: drove the standards of train and fucking bells are just 623 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 4: kicking back, just collect the money sort of thing, you know. 624 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 4: But yeah, I remember I remember that period, just thinking 625 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 4: about retirement because of all the senior players. But obviously 626 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 4: he really enjoys. 627 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: What he does. 628 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 629 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, But. 630 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: Whenever you go to a new club or you might 631 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: gant it when you're younger, going at it in the 632 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: first grade, you're looking for that breakout performance where yeah, yeah, 633 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 3: proved everyone I belong. Do you remember do you remember 634 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: a moment or anything Foxy in Melbourne? 635 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? 636 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 4: Fuck, probably not too after probably the Grand Final, you're right, 637 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 4: the first Grand Final against Cowboys. I just yeah, against 638 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 4: the Cowboys. Yeah, I just felt like it wasn't my position, 639 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 4: just yeah, just I don't know, just yeah, looking back 640 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 4: at now, I just felt like the wing spot was 641 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 4: my position to probably he won the Grand Final. 642 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. 643 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: Didn't feel comfortable. 644 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I never felt like it was yeah right, yeah, 645 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 4: like I just I don't know why, but yeah, looking 646 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 4: back at it now, I just never felt comfortable in 647 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: terms of that's my position. Yeah, you know what I 648 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 4: mean say comfortable, But yeah, I just felt like there 649 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 4: was boys that were killing it in reserve grade. I 650 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 4: train and that probably deserved the spot as well. 651 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 3: It keeps you sharp, they've done it, it does, but yeah, 652 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: it does. 653 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 4: They showed so much evidence in training and how much 654 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 4: boys are putting in and it's just like, fuck, you know, 655 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 4: I need to do that too, yep. 656 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: And that's what I think. I'm so great about the storm. 657 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: When you've got depth in the club, everyone's up on 658 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: their toes, you know, like you never when you never 659 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: really feel like, yeah, well. 660 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: I imagine like you would if you if you had 661 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: a half a nigga, you know, now, like you get 662 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: a half a nigger, you go, I can't train for 663 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: a couple of days. They want to get this right 664 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: back then, Like you know, if you have a couple 665 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: of days off, or you have a game off and 666 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: somebody goes in and scores a hat trick, like that's 667 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: your position to lose, you know, I mean, like they 668 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: keep him in there. So how many did you miss 669 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: many games that year? 670 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: I miss nothing? 671 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 4: Did I didn't miss gave for fucking free. I'm pretty 672 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 4: sure three three years unless they pulled me out to 673 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 4: give me a rest, you. 674 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: Know what I mean. I never was an injine or anything. 675 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: But yeah, Bells will be like, oh I just have 676 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 4: the week, I'll get ready for the finals or something 677 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 4: something like that. 678 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 679 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: Other than that, we're talking about keeping sharp and like 680 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: you know, at a club like Melbourne where there's so 681 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: much depth and so much going on. Evidence of that 682 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: is remember Billy had about eighty months up with that 683 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: bad shoulder. I remember seeing him down at the twenty 684 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: sixteen Melbourne Cup and I saw him and his wife Nicole, 685 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: and he just looked down and I want to said, Billy, 686 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: how you going, mate? We're having a chat and I said, 687 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 3: you're right, made everything O came and he goes, oh, no, 688 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: really said mate. 689 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: I sort of. 690 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: He said, you know, Monster took my spot last year 691 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: at fullback and I sort of feel like a lot 692 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: of people are writing me off. And then I was like, mate, 693 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: your fucking Billy Slater anyway. But that's how he felt 694 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: in himself. 695 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: It just shows the type of guys. 696 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: And then the next year that that season up on 697 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: his toes and feeling unsure. 698 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: Mate. I don't think they have ever been a more 699 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: successful season. 700 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: He won everything, Bill, Yeah, every award, every trophy, he 701 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: held them all. 702 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, even like you'd know this foxy too, Like I 703 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: remember my first year twenty eighteen. It was the year 704 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: after the Grand Final and he'd come back that year, 705 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, won everything. And then the first few weeks 706 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: there he invited me and Harry over for dinner just 707 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: to make us feel comfortab we moved him down the 708 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: road from where him and Nicole lived, and Dad said 709 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: he was sitting there cooking dinner and in between tosses 710 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: of the saucepan would do like push ups for shoulder rehab. 711 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: He had like one of those elastic bands tied against 712 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: like the tetawel rack, and would just be like talking 713 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: to us while like just trying to keep his shoulder strong. 714 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: Like the amount of work that slats he puts in. 715 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 3: Full time, professional, full like full lot. 716 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: Like it's a good example for kids in that because 717 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: I used to go home, I'd have like a little 718 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: Kentucky bucket. You know, I'll be like you go home 719 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: and too, if you want you to put a couple 720 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: of wilkilos on yeh sweet. He didn't say how I 721 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: do it, but I'll be down like wicked wings and 722 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: mash plaid on grave. I'll be pumping. 723 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: Them between wicked wings. You don't push up. 724 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: Harry's rubbing me. 725 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 4: Out really like he's he's he's my biggest mentor. 726 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: Like I learned everything off everything I know. 727 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 4: Now like he he taught me and I still bring 728 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: to my game now, Like everything that I teach to 729 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: younger players. 730 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: I learned off Bills. Yep, learned off the best fullback 731 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: in the world. You know what I mean. 732 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: I probably haven't said that to anyone, but like looking 733 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 4: back at an hour, like you got me thinking, like 734 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 4: he was my biggest mentor in terms of being an 735 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: outside back. And b he's a he's a man, Like 736 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 4: he's a good person, he's a good player. But yeah, 737 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 4: he invited my family over for dinner and how good 738 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 4: is this house? Does He's just beautiful, beautiful, soul, beautiful 739 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 4: for and I'm so grateful for him because I probably 740 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 4: wouldn't be the player I am today without got. 741 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: The whole stud there now too, and yeah, fwine, sex 742 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: just all around him. 743 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, excellent. But you just sparked my area. 744 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: Then when you're talking about what you tell young players, 745 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: because you are you probably only played a couple of 746 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: years at Melbourne when a lot of that young crew 747 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: started to come through, like, yeah, you know perhaps and 748 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: you know a lot of the stars you see today, 749 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: like you know, perhaps even Hughsey who hadn't played a 750 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: lot of first grade Harry, but you were very good 751 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: at communicating and like coaching a lot of us young 752 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: players there, which which is you weren't considered like the 753 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: oldest player there, but I imagine you would have learned 754 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: a heap off the big three that year, and then 755 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: you started communicating so much and helping out the young boys. 756 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially on the field. I wasn't the best at 757 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 4: educating players with everyone in like a meeting room, but 758 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: on the field, like I'd be like, I'll be so 759 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 4: into zone that I knew what I was talking about 760 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 4: in them, but in the meeting, I'm like, oh, it 761 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 4: just so rattled. 762 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: You don't want to get shame. 763 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to shame, but yeah. 764 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 4: Just get just being older and obviously being around a 765 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 4: lot longer, just just getting the reps in every day, 766 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 4: it's just maybe even more comfortable, and it just feels 767 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: so much more comfortable speaking the meeting and all that 768 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 4: kind of stuff. 769 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: Now. So yeah, but back, yeah, back in a strong 770 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: days like I was like, but on the field like 771 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm sweet as yeah, yeah sweet. 772 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: He was the loudest on the field. Yeah, like you'd 773 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: be counting, you would be sledging everyone, you'd be yelling out. 774 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: The tackle, count bringing the vibe he was. 775 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: He was a massive trendsetter in Melbourne, like the amount 776 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: of state. Like you see your Let's Trot brand now 777 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: before you even turned it into a brand and the merged, 778 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 2: he was I reckon. He said it for two years 779 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: straight and we were going, he's not shutting up. 780 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: This is going to be a clothing company. 781 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: One day did we know he was setting up he 782 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: was marketing it through the playing group, and then all 783 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: of a sudden he here we go. But you used 784 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: to always you'll like that. 785 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: We love it, Yeah, we love it. 786 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: All the talk about you had the funniest saying a 787 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: question boys in the dressing room in the Belbourne Storm, 788 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: because it seems to me, I think a lot of times, 789 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: you know there is it seems like a pecking order. 790 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 3: We've got the really experienced guys, you know, but generally 791 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 3: in a dressing room, is everyone sort of equal in there, 792 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 3: even if you're a young guy, not like do the 793 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 3: younger players, like have a ride if they see something 794 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 3: in the video and they went, Craig, can you just 795 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 3: hold that for one second? 796 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: How is that? 797 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 4: Like? 798 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: How do they respond to that? 799 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 4: I remember what stands out for me. I remember when 800 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 4: Coops first come to the Storm, Like Coops would be like, 801 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: I've got a question, Craig, what do you what are 802 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 4: your thoughts here? Like they made it so comfortable for 803 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 4: the young boys to have a say or ask questions. 804 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 4: And that's that's what the Storm do. They make you 805 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 4: feel comfortable, make you feel wanted. But yeah, I can 806 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 4: just remember, like when you. 807 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: First come to the club, they'll always ask questions, did 808 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: I do the right thing? Inveriably? He would say no. 809 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 3: Always tells about the biggest spratt. I think Coop got 810 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 3: a massive stray one day from being late. 811 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you remember that shit? So you'll probably 812 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 2: remember this Geelong Camp. My first year in Gelong Camp, 813 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 2: me and Sammy Cassiano, we were late for a meeting 814 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: when I slept in. I said, I can reveal it now. 815 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 2: I said that I had been told the wrong meeting venue, 816 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 2: but I'd actually slept past my alarm and I'm running 817 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: around trying to find where it is and Sammy Cassiano 818 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 2: I crossed him. He was riding a Razor scooter and 819 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: I went cass and he goes, what's up, bro, And 820 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 2: I went bro, we got a meeting and he was 821 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: like shit. So then we went and we were running to 822 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 2: the meeting. Me and Sammy cat two polar opposite. Sammy 823 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 2: was like at the end of his career and one 824 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty kilos. I was at the start of 825 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: my career in sixty kilos and I walked in. You 826 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: can imagine whoeverone was off, not Sammy. Everyone was off 827 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: me because then belly Ate was like where you be 828 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 2: and we said, oh, you know, we thought the meeting 829 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 2: room was here. He goes right sweet. Next morning, remember 830 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: we all had to get up at four and we 831 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 2: did a wrestle session on It was all technique, but 832 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 2: it was still everybody was up early and we did 833 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: a wrestle session in the middle of the park at 834 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 2: Geelong and it was the worst day out for me. 835 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: They put me with Jesse Bromich Nelson and Sammy Cassiano 836 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 2: just to teach me a lesson. Even though Sammy was 837 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 2: late too. They refused to pull Sammy up obviously, and 838 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 2: I got palmp day like I was getting absolutely palmel 839 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: but I was never late again. I will say that 840 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 2: they do have a great knack of if you're going 841 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: to do something wrong, they make sure you never do 842 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: it again. 843 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 3: A tea at Foxy one hundred and eighteen games the 844 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: Melbourne Stool ninety six tries. I'm just trying to think 845 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 3: there's not many in the modern game better strike rates 846 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: than that. 847 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: Must have been a time sitting like. 848 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 3: In that game, just going man, just sitting there and playing, 849 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 3: just going amongst all those ways. 850 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: Again, how good is this? 851 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 4: This footy was so fun ra like straight out just 852 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 4: love obviously playing trained as well, just love rocking up 853 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 4: every day. But I just back then, I was just 854 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 4: so blown away by the players I was around and 855 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 4: people I was around, the coach, star Frank Ponisi. I 856 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 4: was around the best of the best, and everyone brought 857 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 4: the best out of each other. 858 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I love. 859 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 4: They the Storm played to everyone's strengths. They figured out 860 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 4: everyone's strengths and then they played to that. 861 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a good point because you talking about the 862 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 2: connection you had like that left edge for a few 863 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 2: years there majority of your career where it was Monster, 864 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 2: can he be Kenny Brummage, Chuzzy justin Olum and then 865 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 2: you on the left. 866 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 4: Around Curtis was there before Juzzys Well, Curtis Scott, the 867 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 4: Curtis Scooter was there. Scooter was there, Yeah, but he 868 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 4: moved on and Juzzy come in and then we had 869 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 4: a like we I think there's five years old, was there? Well, 870 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,479 Speaker 4: we're the best attacking and defensive side for I'm pretty sure, 871 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 4: if not maybe one year will probably second, I'm pretty sure. 872 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 4: Well yeah, well the best defensive and attacking side. 873 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: Well, I remember like when I had come up to 874 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: first grade, majority of the time I was on the 875 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 2: right because it was like Hughsey who had gotten hurt. 876 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 2: But I think only one game I went on the left. 877 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: And how easy or not easy, but how easy you 878 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: guys make it for your half like Monster used to. 879 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 2: Because Monster wasn't a good organizer. You guys used to 880 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: organize the whole shape and the edge four. Monster he 881 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: could just do his own thing, and then when he'd 882 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: come out, you guys would already be on formation. You'd 883 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: just tell him about what play you guys are running, 884 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 2: like it it's so different to a lot. 885 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 3: Of other edges Like that is incredible. People who don't 886 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 3: know it's usually the half that dictates the shapes and 887 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: the calls. 888 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 4: But you like, wow, that's not that's it. That's the 889 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 4: connection we had. We knew that Monster would organize the middle. 890 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 4: But because we always played in big games was always loud, 891 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 4: the three of us would always fall into some shape 892 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 4: outside him and Kenny, Kenny Broblems would be always be 893 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 4: the closest to him, so he would be the link 894 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 4: men to Monster in our edge. And we even like 895 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 4: because it was so loud and we're trying to scream 896 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 4: like our plays, we come up with silent sign language 897 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 4: like we yeah, like we had this thing like we 898 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 4: had to see I won't. 899 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 2: Say it, but there's a play that starts to see but. 900 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: There's a player that starts to see that that we did. 901 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: We like this. 902 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 4: We like pointed to Kenny and then Kenny would pointed 903 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 4: to Monster and if there was a if there was 904 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 4: an offload or something, we'd just fall into the shape 905 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 4: because that's good. 906 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, so wow, that's but there was such a good 907 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 2: culture of like also, if Juzzy saw something, everybody was 908 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: so had such a high i Q of what the 909 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 2: defense were doing. Like Fox you would say, oh, the 910 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: wing is tight, and then let money know, next player 911 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 2: will do an early kick for me, like and then 912 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 2: Juzzy would be like, oh, I can see the center's 913 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: jamming at the moment, so let's. 914 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: Do this place quickly. 915 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 3: Jazzy, Juzzy justin Olm, justin Olm. 916 00:39:52,840 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah sorry, so yeah, yeah, yeah, Jazzy just but it 917 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 2: was it's just so it's such a good culture that 918 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 2: you guys created, like a news your own little gang. 919 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 2: You review all your own footage, and you guys would 920 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 2: just be trying to get better every week, like that 921 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: right Edge that year, Well those two years kind of 922 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: chopped and changed different Beau people go in and out, 923 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: but you guys were like the core of that squad, 924 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: Like nobody sort of got chopped and changed out of 925 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 2: that left Edge. 926 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 4: Like we had so much fun and we enjoyed working 927 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 4: hard for each other and it was so enjoyable. 928 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,959 Speaker 1: It was yeah, we'll just we just love playing. 929 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 3: That's the end of part one, right that time to 930 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 3: jump over for part two, which I hope you enjoy 931 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 3: every bit as much. 932 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 1: I know you will