WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 7 October 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.080 From the skying In Center. 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:05.160 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.400 Thank you, Shari, one impactful and important hour of television. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:12.160 Now, I won't lie. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.120 Many Australians in the past twelve months, there are many 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.800 moments where you just want to look away. You want 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.520 to say it's somebody else's fight, you want to say 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.440 it's the other side of the world. You understand all 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:26.920 of the complexities, but we are reminded today about why 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.240 things are the way that they are. The questions that 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.960 Charry just showed in the past hour were a wonderful 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:40.559 reminder about the humanity. That people who were innocents were murdered, 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:46.240 no question on this day that Israel had to respond. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.280 Equally important was the conversation that Charry had with a 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.960 person who may well end up one day the Prime 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.440 Minister of Israel, who talks about the failure of the 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.440 Israeli government on this day twelve months ago, it took 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.720 six hours for the ADF to make it too many 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.960 of the places that have been worse affected. There must 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.120 be an inquiry into that. There must be an inquiry 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.640 into the intelligence failures, about who knew what and when, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.280 and about why the lack of response was what it was. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:21.240 October seventh is the day that we mourn those who 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.959 died in the terrorist attack. You can have your thoughts 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.240 about the response to it, the proportionality and all the 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:29.560 rest of it. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:30.759 We'll talk about that later. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:35.319 But today will forever be marked as the day that 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.440 the world remembers when innocent people were murdered. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:39.959 No question. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.720 In the past hour, while Sharry has been bringing you 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.920 her program from Israel, there's been some inspiring and deflating 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.440 events that have happened here in Australia this evening. There 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.960 have been thousands of people that have gathered in Sydney 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.240 and in Melbourne principally, but yes in other parts of 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:02.200 Australia to mourn the dead, to demand that those that 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.800 are still behind enemy lines as hostages are to be 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:12.600 returned home. Significant leaders, including Peter Dutton, who was given 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:17.320 a standing ovation by the Jewish community in Sydney when 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.760 he appeared today along with the premiere in New South 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:24.720 Wales and others have spoken about the importance of this 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.400 day and just like September eleven, it will be forever 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.800 remembered as the day when innocence died. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.720 We need to make it clear that the killing of 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:39.080 innocent people on October the seventh Bayhamas is a great crime. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.480 If we don't take a strong stance now, we risk 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.720 repeating the mistakes of the nineteen thirties. And that is 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.320 why Australians should be inspired by the bravery of generations 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.600 past to stand up for our values today and into 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:53.120 the future. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.600 Since October seven, each one of us is on a mission. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.240 Each one of us has a purpose. You have a 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.120 role in the recovery. We are coming back stronger and 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.080 more united. But Jachad together the. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.639 Prime Minister, was in Melbourne. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.880 We don't have tape of his comments, but he was 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.800 walking with Jewish leaders in Melbourne as they were commemorating 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.800 this particular day. I will save my criticism of this 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.400 Prime Minister, who I think has failed on many fronts 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.120 on this particular issue over the past twelve months for 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.120 another day. But that is the message that he is 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:34.560 sending this evening, And sadly, there is another story to 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.920 tell you, and it principally comes out of Sydney. Hundreds 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.480 of people decided to choose this day to go to 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:46.200 the Leukember Mosque. They chose this day to celebrate the 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.520 events of twelve months ago. The front page of the 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.800 Daily telegraphed this evening says that it is a day 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.120 of celebration. These were some of the remarks that have 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.000 taken place at that particular event. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.080 My belief is. 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.560 That, as I have said, there is much nuance and 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.800 complication and difficulty in all of this conversation, and that 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.840 there are thousands of examples of innocence that have died 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.320 in the retaliation of what took place here on October 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:21.120 the seventh. But very obviously, when your country has been 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.960 attacked in the fashion that it was attacked, any country, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.960 including our own, would respond. I will not get into 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:33.359 the complications about the depth and breadth of the response, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.240 but I stand in absolute unity with those who are 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.760 disgusted that a day like today, the actual anniversary of 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.680 when innocence were killed, is a day to say things 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.400 like this, the seventh of October. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.280 What it is is an act of resistance, and Francesca 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.520 Albanezi said that the seventh of October does not remove 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.960 the Palestinia right to defend ourself. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:10.680 I ask of you to continue all the actions that 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:16.920 you have started one year ago, and do not stop 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.760 until we see the crumbling of Zionism until we see 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.640 the end of the occupying Israeli forces. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.679 Many of those speakers, they may well share a rage, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.640 but it is misplaced on this day. This day forever 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:43.120 in history is about what happened on October seventh. It 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:48.640 is not an act of resistance. Again, there are complications, 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.640 there are difficulties. There is no perfect place to have 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.760 this conversation, because if you move a little bit too 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.600 much this way and a little bit too much that way, 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.719 you get screened out by all quarters. I seek not 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.200 to be the person who's going to solve the question 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.320 of the Middle East on a television show in Australia, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.200 but I am going to speak very clearly about Australia. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.440 Australia is a place where you can come from anywhere 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:16.240 in the world. You can have any belief in the world. 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.400 But on a day like today, if you cannot recognize 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.760 that another and fellow Australian is hurting because of what 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.000 happened historically on this day, then you are not living 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.760 up to the opportunities of this country. We've seen protests 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.640 in the past couple of days when people have been 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:41.120 waving flags that do not explicitly show support for Hesbala, 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.120 but they show the colors, they show words that are 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:43.720 very similar. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.000 It's very clever. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.200 Change by one percent, ten percent, twenty percent to make 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.440 sure that the message is clear, but the messenger won't 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:59.279 end up with any sort of legal ramifications now tomorrow. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.440 The Palestinian community, in my view, has every right to 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.880 mourn its innocence. But anyone who wants to use those 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:12.240 innocence on this day to rub the Jewish community and 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.080 their nose in the death of their innocence is not 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:20.280 someone who has the best interests of any population at heart. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.560 I will not stand for a country like Australia being 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:30.920 divided into countries within countries where certain suburbs lean this 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.760 way and certain suburbs lean that way. Every suburb should 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.480 have maximum empathy for any community and its historic, significant 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.600 or important days. Let's see what happens in the next 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:49.000 twenty four hours about whose response to what is said, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.960 Whether the focus is on those that are the innocence 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.200 of October the seventh, or those who choose to use 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.280 this day to claim that they are speaking in support 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.840 and love of them innocence, but the reality is that 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.760 they are showing some of the worst possible traits. We'll 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.600 talk about that in a whole lot more. Charry will 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.760 be in Israel all week. We will talk about what 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.400 matters in this country and when it is protests, and 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.080 when it is matters on the other side of the world. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.080 We will move those to the top of the tree. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.160 In the meantime, there was some interesting polling in and 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:28.880 around all of this where Hezbala today, as you will 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.760 have seen, supported and praised some of the behavior that 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.960 has been happening on our streets in the past few days. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.920 But interestingly, there was a poll that I want to 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.040 take you back to, which was from June of this year, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.400 which is what Australians believe about legitimate and illegitimate protest. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.280 Fifty three percent of people say it's okay to hold 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:50.640 a rally outside of Parliament. I would think there is 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.719 no problem with this. Forty one percent of people or 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.440 they believe that marching in the streets is okay. Now 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.560 you would have to infer that either the majority of 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.480 people disagree or don't care. But certainly once these start 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.160 to come clearer, I think it becomes clearer that the 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.959 minority number is the support and the vast majority number 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.440 is against this stuff, the carrying out and occupying of universities. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.000 Just fourteen percent of people accept that behavior as a 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.840 legitimate form of protest. Ten percent believe that it's okay 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.720 to block an MP's intrans to their office, nine percent 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.240 say it's okay to go to someone's house to protest, 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.920 seven percent say blockading a port or rail infrastructure is okay, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.559 four percent of people say that it's okay to damage property, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.960 and none of these or undecided is sixteen percent. Well, 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.840 we have some update to that polling which comes today 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.640 via the channel our newspapers. It shows that voters reject 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.440 protests as Gaza war ignites the domestic route. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:46.800 You see. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.120 I believe the extreme majority of Australians are like us. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.680 Specifically in this case, I'm going to say like me, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.880 which is, we have maximum empathy and understanding for what's 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.800 happening on other sides of the world, what has happened 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.640 in the past twelve months, the twelve years, the past 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.679 many decades before that. We understand the complexity. But the 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.320 joy of this country is that we do not have 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.440 to live with that complexity. We do not have to 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.960 live with that hatred. People were asked today if they 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:17.800 agree or disagree with the statement the conflict in the 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.080 Middle East has made Australia a less safe place. It 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.839 has moved from thirty six percent this time last year 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.000 to now forty six percent who believe that this country 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.440 is now less safe. Principally, I would suggest, because of 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.400 what they have seen tonight, that there is a group 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.959 of people amongst us who pretend to speak on the 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.680 behalf of others, but truly speak on the behalf of 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.280 their own dark heart, which is to not pull back, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.640 to not stop, to not pause, but instead to just 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.599 keep pushing in the direction of which they choose to 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:53.920 keep animosities going. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:56.960 Long question here, but you need to see it. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.319 Last year of conflict bloke out between Hamas and ga 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.880 in Israel and the Middle East. They started Hamas fighters 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.400 when they cross the border into Gaza. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.400 To kill and kidnap civilians. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.319 Israel than retaliated with strikes and in targets in Gaza, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.000 followed by ground incursion. The conflict is ongoing. Please tell 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:20.960 us what Australia should do. Should they allow marchers and 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:27.520 protests by Australian supporters, Well fifty nine percent of people 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:34.000 say no, it's not to be played out here. Fifty 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.679 percent of people say that Australia should voice in principal 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:41.880 support for neither, but if forced to choose, a bigger 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:49.120 number say Israel over Gaza. Fifteen percent say neither and 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.199 be prepared to accept refugees. Eleven percent say they can 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.679 come from Israel, thirteen percent say from Palestine, twenty four 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.920 percent say both or either. Fifty two percent say no, 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.160 I don't bring this fight here. Second question, political parties 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.200 and leaders have responded in different ways to the Middle 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.720 East conflict it affects Australia and how it affects Australia. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.040 Of the largest parties, who do you think has responded best? 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:20.960 Fifty five percent say unsure or none. When support of 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.199 Peter Dutton for Israel or Anthony Albernezi in his position, 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.559 people choose Peter Dutton. You can see the permutations there 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.440 amongst other political groups. The message remains the same twelve 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.000 months on. We know what happened there, we know what 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.560 happened after, and we know what has happened before. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.520 But when you are here, you. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:49.280 Do not bring the endless hatred, the endless Yeah, but 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.840 then this and then that and what about this, and 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.680 what about that. You can have those views, but you 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.480 do not disturb the peace that is in Australia in 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:04.199 order to have those views registered with violent language or 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:09.400 outright violence, as we have seen in the past twelve months. Again, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.320 I finished this bit with where I started. I, like 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.320 most Australians on many days, look the other way, not 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.280 because they don't care, not because they don't understand, but 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.560 for obvious reasons. My focus is always this country first, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.400 is always making sure that this country doesn't turn into 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:28.240 other countries, that we maintain absolute stability and absolute steadfast 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.360 sense of values. No matter where you come from or 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.480 what you believe, the fundamental value must be that we 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.200 live in a peaceful and harmonious society that can disagree, 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.840 that can disagree without resorting to violence, verbal threats or intimidation. 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.439 Now that position may not be pure enough for some, 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.240 it may not be angry enough for others, but I 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.320 believe it's where the majority of Australians are. We are 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.280 not ignorant of what is happening, We are not shrugging 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.840 our shoulders, we are not ignoring what is happening, but 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.840 we are focused on making sure sure that none. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.680 Of that crap happens here. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.720 Now to the rest of the day and things away 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.000 from other parts of the world. Let's get back to 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.520 what's happening here. Don Farrell is the Special Minister of 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.640 State in this country. Now, if you don't know who, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.800 Don Farrell is also the Trade Minister, and as the 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.280 Trade Minister, just a little refresher here, he had the 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.520 opportunity to hire somebody to be a trade end boy 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.400 for Australia in San Francisco. He could have chosen the 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.080 woman who had applied for the job. No, no, Instead 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.600 he chose a mate of his from the union movement 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.440 who had to be trained by the person who applied 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.120 for the job because he got the job despite the 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.280 fact that he didn't apply for the job. He of 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.040 course was a friendly one term Labor Senator, which meant 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.680 he got the job, not, as I say, the lady 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.440 who actually was qualified for it. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:46.920 So that's a bit of an insight into. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.240 Some of the decision making in and around this hardcore 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.520 partisan on the behalf of the Labor Party. But Don 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.080 Farrell's job as the Special Minister of State is to 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.560 shepherd through the Parliament the rules of our life actions. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.280 Now this goes to everything from how we vote, to 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.480 how how to votes are handed out, to who can donate, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.960 what we know about the donation process. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.000 And there are things that need to be fixed and 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:14.960 there are other things that don't need to be changed. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:21.960 Now, one thing that apparently a committee of politicians delivering 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:26.000 the finding that mister Farrell wanted was to cut back 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.360 on things other than political parties being able to spend 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.400 significant amounts of money at a federal election. This would 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.120 mean that the Teals will not be able to have 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.200 the same sorts of money to back in the organization 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:42.320 for them to be able to finish frankly third in 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.480 many areas, but then with preferences they make their way 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.680 to second and then eventually they end up defeating Liberal 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.720 Party MPs. The reason they claim that we need to 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.360 change it is largely because of the spending of Clive 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.280 Palmer the United Australian Party adds of tens of millions 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.760 of dollars that did not result in him getting members 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.720 to the Lower House. It did result in a Senator 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:08.040 Ralph Bebbott making his way into the Federal Parliament, and 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.960 the spending of Clyve Palmer and all of those ads 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:11.800 is used as the giant excuse as to why we 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.640 absolutely have to change the way the rules of elections work, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.760 which is why, as I say, there was a parliamentary 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.160 committee with a Labor majority that decided that we need 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.280 to introduce caps on the amount of donations that people 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.720 can hand over. We also need to make sure that 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.000 there's a greater transparency about who gives money and when. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.560 I don't have a problem with that, but as has 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.160 played out in places like Queensland in this election right now, 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.440 where a political party would be able to spend x 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.520 amount in one seat, but a third party organization would 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.480 also be able to spend the same amount. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.640 So in the case of the unions. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.920 Despite the fact that in their constitution of the Labour 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.640 Party they are fifty percent of the say they are 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.200 part of the Labour Party under all of these rules 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.840 that play out in places like Victoria and Queensland right now, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.000 they are independent entities. So if you have ten unions 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.360 or more than ten that are in Queensland, it means 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.359 Labour spends this much one Union, two union, three union. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.520 You get the point, they can ten times outspend anyone 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.159 else on the ballot. This is a problem but this 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.280 is what Don Farrell is trying to achieve through the parliament. Now, 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:21.960 if he's able to get this through the Parliament, it 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.399 will only happen because it's the Greens plus minor Party 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.840 people like Jockie Lamby so called independence like people like 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:34.080 Dormat Dave Pocock. And the expectation was that the funding 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.679 system which has kept the Teals alive would not be 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.240 snuffed out at this upcoming election incided to be twelve 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.800 months after that. Well, the reporting today is that with 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.240 limited numbers of days left for the Senate to sit 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.679 this year and then presumably in an election year, the 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.760 time is running out for them to put that system 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.880 in place. And this may well be very much by design. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.159 You see, the government is headed towards minority and they 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.600 would not want a bunch of peedoff teals, perhaps a 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.320 reduced number of teals because of those spending changes to 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.919 actually be what ends up happening. So this thing may 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.320 well end up getting delayed. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:10.920 Now that's good. 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.960 Because the assumption is that Clyde Palmer will be running 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.800 ads if he chooses too hard against this government as 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.119 opposed to previous stances like in twenty twenty two when 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.000 he ran sort of put them all last. But remember 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.920 back in twenty nineteen when he was running hard against 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.880 Shorten that helped Morrison win. Special Minister of State Don 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.200 Farrell isn't due to introduce the package, which includes real 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.560 time disclosure of donations at more than a thousand dollars, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.160 until November. A majority of Cross benches demand the legislation 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.199 will be properly scrutinized. That means it goes off to 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.240 a committee, meaning a vote may will be delayed. And 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.360 a couple of people who are speaking about this, includer 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:44.520 old mate Lydia Thorpe. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.159 Hopefully our netball injuries are okay. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.240 Labour has left this vote too late, so it looks 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.440 unlikely that these reforms will pass at the election. I 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.520 remember Lydia Thorpe, despite the fact she was elected as 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.080 a Green, becomes an independent very early in this term. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.040 She will be around for any three years unless there 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.320 is a double dissolution, so I'm sad to say that's 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.680 the case. She says, it's not clear when the election 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.840 will be called, but an important bill like this notes 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.440 to go through a committee process. At the moment, it's 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.560 impossible to run a successful campaign against the Majors without 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.960 huge spending. But interestingly, perhaps the most telling quote today 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.199 about why the planned changes may well not end up 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.359 happening to keep the Teals happy is MANIEK Ryan, the 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.200 lady who, of course, due in court proceedings we ended 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.199 up finding out to thought of herself as a potential 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.520 prime minister one day. No reform is better than bad reform, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.199 you see, she would like the current system to go 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:36.960 on just as long as the rules apply to everyone else, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:41.560 not the Teals. Does that say she's confident about winning 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.200 her seat if she had to do it under the 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:44.280 same rules as everyone else. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:44.800 Who knows. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:46.760 But we'll all find out together. But I thought you 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.080 should know. They are trying to rewrite the rules of 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.040 how elections work, and the reality is that money is 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.040 part of that picture. On the one hand, it seems 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.120 very logical that everyone's only able to spend the same 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:58.920 amount of money. But once you throw in the third 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.719 party groups like I say, a Climate two hundred, who 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:06.280 might be able to simultaneously fund a candidate and then 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.800 set themselves up as being completely independent, well, they of 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.360 course are able to spend two times more than anyone 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.560 else who's on the ballot. Now there are some right 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.800 leaning groups like Advance Australia, but they won't end up 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.280 having the same financial supports something like Climate two hundred, 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.359 let alone the Union advantage. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.520 So watch this space. It is always the prerogative of. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.320 Any government to use its numbers in the Senate, but 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.200 in this case, if minor parties are willing to sign 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.439 away their capacity to be able to fight fairly, then 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.400 we have to look deeper inside the deal. Remember when 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.879 this took place in Victoria, there was financial compensation that 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.479 was handed to the minor parties at that time. Now, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.919 if it was a liberal party who was making taxpayer 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.280 deals to help a bill go through the Parliament, it 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.760 would be an outrage. But if it's labor and it's 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.200 to the advantage of the left, nothing to see here, Well, 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.000 there is plenty to see here and I will keep 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:01.520 watching cost of living years that number one issue in 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.159 the country, no matter how tragic the days are on 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.760 other parts of the world. Right now, And there's a 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.760 bit of information I want to show you today, which 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.639 was a survey that showed a fifth of Australians and 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.320 our stressed about money every day, one in five. 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:17.600 This works in two parts. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.480 It found that forty six percent of people are dealing 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.639 with financial worries at least once a week. One in 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.760 five people said that their savings were now going backwards 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.119 fifteen percent, so that they are now in debt and 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.360 seeing an existing debt grow. Now, of course, the Prime 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:32.800 Minister would like you to think that it's all about 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.960 the supermarkets, and the supermarkets are the only thing to 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.760 talk about here. Well, again further information from the same survey, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.400 Australians are now spending a third more on their groceries 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.439 than they were not two years ago when this government 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.600 came to power, but just six months ago, when this 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.359 government says that it was focused on cost of living. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.479 The media and grocery spend was two hundred bucks in August. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.399 It was one hundred and fifty in January. When it 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.560 comes to power bills, the media and Electricity bill has 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.960 gone from three hundred to three hundred and fifty, not 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.960