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Speaker 1: Lizzie praying in Welcome to L three sixty Rugu believe

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Speaker 1: from every angle.

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Speaker 2: Joining me in the great Gordon Tallis.

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Speaker 1: It's been the journal Australian Paul Crawley and Andrew Webster

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Speaker 1: and get ready to see Sydney fans because Latrell Mitchell

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Speaker 1: is back for the first time this year. He returns,

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Speaker 1: and he returns Gordy in the centers, not fullback.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a great move. That's really smart from

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Speaker 3: Wayne Bourner coming back from injuries.

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Speaker 2: You need him ouither.

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Speaker 3: I think he can have the same impact that Cena

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Speaker 3: and we watched it so many times, especially at State

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Speaker 3: of origin and international level. That's great news for the game,

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Speaker 3: but better news for Bunnies League.

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Speaker 1: And see round five team selections. Thanks to sports Bet,

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Speaker 1: Gray remains at fullback, Mitchell named in the center as

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Speaker 1: we may as well go through the rest of them.

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Speaker 1: Cleary returns out to begin for the Panthers. Watson is back,

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Speaker 1: but Radley's out for the Roosters. Feynu in for the

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Speaker 1: suspended Luai. Time for a boy of its sideline yet again,

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Speaker 1: this time with the mcl Hopuati moves back to fullback,

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Speaker 1: but the big news is Latroll Mitchell returns for the Bunnies.

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Speaker 2: Cruelse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, he Wayne pretty much had to pick him

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Speaker 5: They lost Alex Johnson on the weekend.

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Speaker 4: They're already without Tyrone Munroe, Campbell, Graham's out. It just

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Speaker 4: made sense and at the end of the day, Ji

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Speaker 4: Gray has been fantastic this year.

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Speaker 5: He leads the dally.

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Speaker 4: Ms and Latrell was made to play in the centers.

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Speaker 6: At this point, I still think it's his best position,

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Speaker 6: to be perfectly honest, that's where he made all the

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Speaker 6: noise when he was a younger player one Premierships. I

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Speaker 6: do like how Wayne is just playing with our minds,

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Speaker 6: turning it in, using it, like, using it our heads

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Speaker 6: like that it's a pretzel.

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Speaker 2: It's like.

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Speaker 5: So, but he's bending it like a pretzel.

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Speaker 6: I mean, like you said two weeks ago that he

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Speaker 6: was never going to pick on more like it was

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Speaker 6: Gray playing possibly being Reggie the Rabbit.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be REGGI of the rabbit. There

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Speaker 2: might be a year.

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Speaker 6: Coming up soon, but I think it's a smart decision.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it'll be for very long.

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Speaker 1: This shows the influence of the great Wayne Bennett. Now

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Speaker 1: all of us here agree that it's a good move

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Speaker 1: to put him back in the centers, but still an

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Speaker 1: element of shock today when he was named there. But

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Speaker 1: he's got the power, he's taken he's made the big

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Speaker 4: Cul I think what it also shows is that last

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Speaker 4: if Jason Demitrie was still the coach. Wayne has smoothed

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Speaker 4: it over obviously with the drill. He had to get

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Speaker 5: But that's what it's.

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Speaker 4: All about at the moment at SOUS, and even to

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Speaker 4: as the best fullback in the club there for the

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Speaker 2: The Trell's on board.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm with you.

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Speaker 6: I think it's I just like the fact that that

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Speaker 6: Wayne said a couple of weeks ago not going to happen.

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Speaker 6: But you know, he just keeps us all getting But

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Speaker 1: And camill Graham is out, so it's an obvious move.

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Speaker 1: But what happened if camill Graham wasn't out. Do we

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he would have gone straight in.

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Speaker 4: Look, obviously we haven't seen Littrell, but they think he's

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Speaker 4: fit enough to come back and play. That's not the

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Speaker 1: Gray has been outstanding with Trell back in the team.

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Speaker 1: The bunnies were bouncing in Effron Park this morning.

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Speaker 2: Let's roll or left so game? Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Well it is April Fools as well, so Wayne could

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Speaker 7: But obviously he's a big inclusion where we're happy to

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Speaker 7: great inclusion for us. And I'm just excited to see

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Speaker 7: the big fellow play the first game, his first gap

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm very happy to have him back. When

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Speaker 7: And especially watching him train today, he's a pretty special

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Speaker 1: Very funny there, Joe Arrah, don't quit. You that your

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Speaker 1: job and comedy's not your thing. Bunny Bunny is three

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Speaker 1: from three wins, one last. They already looked like they're

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Speaker 1: going to definitely make the top eight. Lot of question

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Speaker 1: term injuries to start off, and a lot of people

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we could go that far.

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Speaker 2: Just shit.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a big win on the weekend

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Speaker 4: that Nathan was injured, Dylan Edwards, South's and missing Murray,

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Speaker 4: They're missing Latrell, Campbell, Graham's out of that game. They're

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Speaker 5: I agree. I think they're important wins.

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Speaker 6: Though to bank those victories before Latrell came back was

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Speaker 6: really they're just bonus points.

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Speaker 1: It was always going to be important that they started

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Speaker 1: looks it before the season, looks even fitter now. For

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Speaker 1: I really do.

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Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah, I think they're a top

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Speaker 3: I think just the way Wayne and I know that

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Speaker 3: but the way Cody started the season, I think he

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Speaker 6: They look like Awayne Bennett coach team. You know, they

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Speaker 6: got their punch, punch, hard work art. You know, forwards

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Speaker 6: playing above their playing above their weight. And if any

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Speaker 2: He's already had the minus touch to start this year.

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Speaker 1: Now the Roosters and Rabbito's rivalry, these games can be

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Speaker 1: very emotional. We know that in the past the Rusters

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Speaker 1: have tried to bait Latrell with success and without it.

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Speaker 1: Do we think that they could go after him again

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Speaker 4: I think it works both ways in this game. There's

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Speaker 4: because on occasions they've lost their cool in this game

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Speaker 4: isn't it like this? This game has always got that

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Speaker 5: So I don't think there's no doubt in the world.

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Speaker 5: Latrell's got to be careful.

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Speaker 4: But I think there's a couple of the Chucks that

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Speaker 6: Has ever been an uneventful match between these two teams.

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Speaker 6: There's always drama with the Capital dirt, and I expect

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Speaker 6: this to be any different with the new synbin rule.

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Speaker 6: Edict's cracked down whatever it is, and we're going to

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Speaker 6: talk about it later. You know it's going to be

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Speaker 3: The trail, is going to test their centers because they've

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Speaker 3: you think, if Cody and Latrell are on fire, it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a great battle. And you're right. When

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Speaker 3: I was at South, they prepared totally different. To a point,

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Speaker 3: I should say, pretend we're playing the Roosters every week.

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Speaker 2: It is different.

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Speaker 1: It is totally different, and I say it every year

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Speaker 1: South Sydney supporter as a junior and player, but then

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: Both teams lift the fan base, lifts the area, really

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Speaker 1: there's everything there really is. It's an emotional game. For

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Speaker 2: It really does fire up.

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Speaker 1: Now reports paying Cass will turn his back on the

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Speaker 1: Kangaroos to play for Samoa. Now this was breaking news

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Speaker 1: this afternoon, only reports though not facts, but still.

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Speaker 2: If this was to happen, this is a big call.

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Speaker 6: It has been around today that pain hearts and also

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Speaker 6: Big Tino we're considering playing for Somorro at the end

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Speaker 5: The World Cup next year.

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Speaker 6: But I can't imagine Malmanninger being too happy with the

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Speaker 6: news it broke today.

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Speaker 3: I think it's great news for the international game, to

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Speaker 3: build our international game, to get the superstars playing. But

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Speaker 3: I just don't see the gray area for me as

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Speaker 3: Marona and the blue where I think Samora and Tonga,

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Speaker 3: I think they deserve to be Tier one nations now

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Speaker 3: if you spoke to them, if you went to a

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Speaker 3: Tonguan or a proud Samo and I think they should

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Speaker 3: be Tier one. I think they should be up there

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Speaker 3: with New Zealand and Australia.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying that you've got no problem if the internet, Well,

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Speaker 4: the rules are this way. I absolutely like pain Haush

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Speaker 4: in your opinion, should no longer be playing Origin if

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Speaker 4: he chooses, well.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the decision that you make, and that's

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Speaker 3: I'll play for New South Wales and Queensland, but they'll

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Speaker 3: go and play against those guys and I'll take a

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Speaker 2: Of the year.

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Speaker 4: It's a catch twenty two though, Gordy, because if you

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't you rather the International game?

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Speaker 5: Is it really hurting Origin?

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Speaker 4: Like if you take payinhas and all these guys that

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Speaker 3: Because Queensland and New South Wales were developing Australian players,

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Speaker 3: So that's that. That has always been the stepping stone.

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Speaker 1: I still think Origin would be amazing regard because Origin

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Speaker 5: Too, whether he can, whether he can change.

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Speaker 1: But I think he'd be fine. I think they'd let

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Speaker 1: Why is it okay for him to go to Samoa

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Speaker 5: Because of the Tier one tier.

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Speaker 5: It has to do with your pathways in your development.

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Speaker 6: And Samara and Tonga just don't have what those other

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 6: I get it, But like Gord, just to your point

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Speaker 5: No, but they're both.

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Speaker 6: But New Zealand and England are ranked above Samoa and

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Speaker 5: They are because they play more matches. They just are.

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Speaker 6: But the thing the problem is with like origin was

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Speaker 2: Was born for game changes, why.

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Speaker 5: The rules have to change with it.

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Speaker 6: But this is the thing though, the NRL the NURL

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Speaker 6: When I called around today, to be honest, the New

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Speaker 5: Were the only ones that were interested in changing the rules.

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Speaker 6: So I think it's a it's a it's a question

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Speaker 2: To real ten years.

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Speaker 3: They imagine in ten years time pretty much Queensland and

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Speaker 3: Diedans are addits to Reuben Codters, the Jacob Lilliman's all

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Speaker 2: How do they get their change?

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Speaker 6: I'm with you, I'm sort of switched how I think

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Speaker 5: Of origin football. That's the problem. But the problem also.

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Speaker 6: Is you've got players in in the NRL, in our

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Speaker 4: It's just laying Haas is a great example. He's he's

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Speaker 4: So but if you you're also taking away, if you

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Speaker 2: Sorry, he was born.

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Speaker 4: He was born here and he played his junior foot

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Speaker 4: Ye do.

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Speaker 1: We think that a player when he chooses what country

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Speaker 5: I don't think you're how to do it at HOC.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, I haven't been selected for Australia,

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Speaker 1: Tier one team Tier three two. But with the with

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Speaker 4: But were okay with that when it initially happened, though,

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Speaker 4: it to start with, they want they did it without

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Speaker 3: Moment, I've got no doubt someone like Calm Pongan when

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Speaker 3: Queensland and thinking I want to wear that jersey. Well,

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Speaker 5: Year old kid, it's a really hard one, is.

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Speaker 2: The buzz No, I didn't get it. Actually, why do

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Speaker 2: Why'd you have to double down with that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Cleary returns for the Panthers. Will his inclusion be

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Speaker 2: I think it will.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have been ordinary, to say the least

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Speaker 1: Nathan Cleary, the Messiah returns. Will he be enough?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: We look go back to Round one and their performance

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Speaker 4: He's good enough to get these guys and carry them

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Speaker 6: But Fisher Harris, Yeah, I find this really interesting how

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Speaker 5: You know what, I don't know, but I'm not prepared

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Speaker 6: But if they look a bit tired, like they obviously

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Speaker 1: We've been thinking every year that it's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's going to happen, and they're proven as wrong time.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen this for fifty years, that's right.

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Speaker 6: I just know when they get to the finals, they

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Speaker 5: If they can, if they can somehow be in the

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Speaker 2: For a Premier well within the top four end of

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Speaker 1: They've done an amazing job again given the circumstances, the

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Speaker 1: players that they have lost, but with Nathan Cleary in

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Speaker 1: them to bounce back this week. Now their defense has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense that is.

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Speaker 3: Mitch Kenny has been their barometer with their line speed

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Speaker 1: It's their worst start to a season since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: So is this Ivan Cleary's biggest tests since returning to

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Speaker 4: No, I think his biggest test was picking him up

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Speaker 4: Finals and win four Premierships. They're a champion team. They're

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Speaker 1: But yeah, to forget that that game against Melbourne without

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Speaker 2: But there's the captain. He was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Would struggle last week because that was a tough battle

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Speaker 1: for them, and then to have Cleary out again and

445
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Speaker 1: know Edwards remember at the back against the Souse team

446
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Speaker 1: that are always going to bounce back from that slow

447
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Speaker 1: start in coronal.

448
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Speaker 2: There's a lot that any team can win on their day.

449
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Speaker 6: At the moment Melbourne that game they lost the DrAk,

450
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Speaker 6: I thought that they were as good as a win,

451
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Speaker 6: you know that lost to Melbourne.

452
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Speaker 5: So a champion gets up when he can't Jack Dempsey.

453
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Speaker 2: Box up that one down. He brought something.

454
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Speaker 1: He brought a bit of goal the show. Thank you

455
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Speaker 1: you're right now, Cruls. You haven't been around for all

456
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Speaker 1: of this, well you have last week for the DC.

457
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Speaker 1: How have you seen it play out over the past week?

458
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Speaker 2: What's your opinion?

459
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Speaker 4: I thought he handled himself really well before the game,

460
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Speaker 4: during the game, and then after the game. I think

461
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Speaker 4: he took it just a little too far because he's

462
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Speaker 4: obviously hurt, and he's entitled to be hurt and say

463
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Speaker 4: what he feels if he feels he's been disrespected. But

464
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Speaker 4: what he's got to be careful of is that does

465
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Speaker 4: he really want to win a competition in his final

466
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Speaker 4: year or does he want to blow the joint up

467
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Speaker 4: on his way out the door? Because now with the

468
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 4: injury to Tom and his position in that side. It's

469
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Speaker 4: going to be so important for him to galvanize. He

470
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Speaker 4: has to stop his war with mess Trouble, whoever it

471
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Speaker 4: was that he was well.

472
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Speaker 2: He hasn't named anyone.

473
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Speaker 4: And that's the other problem in it too, because what

474
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Speaker 4: he's actually doing talking about the smear campaign but not

475
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Speaker 4: naming who it is that he's got the issue with.

476
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Speaker 4: He's smearing everyone else around him.

477
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Speaker 5: He's smearing with the smear camp. I agree, I reckon

478
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Speaker 5: all over.

479
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Speaker 6: It's it's been so weird to watch the last couple

480
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Speaker 6: of weeks or however a week and a half. It's

481
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Speaker 6: it's turning to a pr battle and I think DCE

482
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Speaker 6: is winning it by a mile. I think Manly tried

483
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Speaker 6: to play try to play dirty, and I think he's

484
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Speaker 6: just called him out.

485
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Speaker 5: I agree.

486
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Speaker 6: I don't think I think he needs to let it go.

487
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Speaker 6: I don't think it needs to, you know, if they're

488
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Speaker 6: going to keep winning matches throughout the year and push

489
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Speaker 6: for a premiership or push for a top four position,

490
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Speaker 6: I don't think they can let it fester like it is.

491
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Speaker 6: But to me, it's I think Cherry Evans does what's

492
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Speaker 6: best for him and I think he's playing the system

493
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Speaker 6: to a t just like he did ten years ago

494
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Speaker 6: when he backflipped on the Titansville He did nothing wrong then.

495
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Speaker 6: He's doing nothing wrong now. But he has created plenty

496
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Speaker 6: of interest in his future.

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Speaker 1: This remind you a little bit of that, because you

498
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Speaker 1: were reporting on that back in the day.

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Speaker 5: I was, yeah, it does.

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Speaker 6: Like he said in his press conference after he backflipped

501
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Speaker 6: on the Titans deal, I welcomed the speculation because I

502
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Speaker 6: wanted to see how much I can get out of Manly.

503
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Speaker 6: I think he welcomes the speculation now, but because he

504
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Speaker 6: because it's going to give him a bigger contract at

505
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Speaker 6: a new club. But let's make no mistake, Manly have

506
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Speaker 6: stuffed this up. Manly should have gone to him after

507
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Speaker 6: Origin last year and said, mate, you are as much

508
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Speaker 6: a heart and.

509
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Speaker 5: Soul of this club.

510
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Speaker 6: But they should have They should have.

511
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Speaker 5: They should have there. It's their mistake.

512
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Speaker 3: But back then, right a couple of senior players they

513
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Speaker 3: had to move on. Like what mount of parent matter

514
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Speaker 3: and souse and all that is that? Like how does

515
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Speaker 3: that sit with this current? Like the Jake travoid, which

516
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 3: is Tom those guys that are still finding that bleed Marne.

517
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Speaker 6: I thought Jake's comments last week were pretty telling. Yeah,

518
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Speaker 6: I thought I really thought that that suggested that's not

519
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Speaker 6: how I would do.

520
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Speaker 5: It, and I don't think he has got to.

521
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Speaker 4: That's why he's got to pull this team together because

522
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: he is the skipper. And yes, mate, I totally understand

523
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Speaker 4: how he feels disrespected with the offers or the lack

524
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Speaker 4: of offers that came his way, and they should have

525
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Speaker 4: done it differently and manly are at fault. But he's

526
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Speaker 4: still the captain of this team and if they if

527
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Speaker 4: they want to stay competitive this year, he's the one

528
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Speaker 4: that's got to pull them together. Because Jake's comments were telling.

529
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Speaker 2: What about the release we.

530
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Speaker 6: The way it'sman explained to me from the DCE Champions

531
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Speaker 6: that he DCE camp is that he would ask for

532
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Speaker 6: it on family for family reasons. He wanted to return

533
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Speaker 6: home to Queensland for family reasons. So the fact that's

534
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Speaker 6: no I think for that to be used against him now,

535
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Speaker 6: I think it's a bit rough.

536
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Speaker 5: You know, if it's the rest of its ancient history.

537
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Speaker 2: Then so years ago for family reasons.

538
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Speaker 6: But he did nothing wrong, then good. That's the system.

539
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 6: That's the system, and it's just as it's the system now,

540
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Speaker 6: like you're signing players victim.

541
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Speaker 3: Right if you're in this game, because it takes to

542
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 3: the play of the game right. And then when you

543
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: watch the other show, it's like he's managers sitting there

544
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: talking made I'm serious, and his manager's talking and then

545
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: he goes that, I'm like, how do they know all

546
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: that information unless it's getting leaked from that side.

547
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Speaker 6: I don't think any sides showed themselves because exactly, but

548
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Speaker 6: that's what I mean in terms of the pr battle.

549
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Speaker 6: He's on the front foot and playing manly offer brother.

550
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Speaker 2: Then he sits they're playing the victim.

551
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Speaker 1: DC's camp are feeding the media one thing, and then

552
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Speaker 1: the Manly hierarchy are feeding the media something else. And

553
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Speaker 1: then everyone's everyone's taking side.

554
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: Someone is lying. This is what we don't know, and

555
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: this is what everyone needs to understand. No one is false,

556
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: no one's trying to.

557
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's reporting what they're hearing from really good sources.

558
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Speaker 5: To the sides of the truth.

559
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Speaker 2: But someone in this is Lyne.

560
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Speaker 6: So I'll take one thing with the seven to fifty.

561
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 6: So Manly a adamant and Scott depends on the record

562
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Speaker 6: saying that there was an offer for seven to fifty

563
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Speaker 6: in November last year. The DCE camp will tell you

564
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 6: that the people that have on the email train will

565
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Speaker 6: say that there's a trail that will say there's no

566
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Speaker 6: offer of seven to fifty whatsoever. There's a vague talk

567
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Speaker 6: of what the money is. So unless you see those emails,

568
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Speaker 6: you're not going to know.

569
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Speaker 2: You know what.

570
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 4: Though, so GT is saying that there was a seven

571
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Speaker 4: fifty offer, I would say he doesn't understand that seven

572
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 4: to fifty is actually disrespectful to a top tier playmaker

573
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Speaker 4: in our game at the moment, Like Manly you said,

574
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Speaker 4: at the moment ago, Manly were the ones that stuffed

575
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Speaker 4: this up by undervaluing what this guy's worth and worth

576
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Speaker 4: to their team and going forward, even though I do

577
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Speaker 4: believe it's it's Jerry Evans's job to pull the team

578
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: together as of next year, do we really believe the

579
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Speaker 4: talk that Jamal Foggerty will be the guy to come

580
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 4: in and and take over makes Manly a better team?

581
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Speaker 6: Do they want to win a COMP in the next

582
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 6: couple of years or not? Do you think they do

583
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 6: it with Cherry Evans? There the biggest issue he's going

584
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 6: to where he's going to go and it's already looking

585
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 6: like a Gus v.

586
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Speaker 2: Nicks out of the race.

587
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Speaker 5: Did he say he was out? Oh you've got to

588
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 5: believe that then, So.

589
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Speaker 2: What are you saying with you because I believe your

590
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: mate last night? Oh Buzzy boy, your best mate. He

591
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: was saying the same thing.

592
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Speaker 6: What he doesn't believe Gars. No, Gus is a shrewd operator.

593
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Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to come out and declare, you.

594
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Speaker 2: Know where the bulldogs are still in the race.

595
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Speaker 6: I thought it was very telling where on Channel nine

596
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Speaker 6: where Gus through his toys out of the cod in

597
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 6: faux outrage and stormed off and he was over there

598
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Speaker 6: talking to d C off camera.

599
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Speaker 5: Because signing Surreldo at one point, I think he.

600
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Speaker 2: May have the want to keep going or Thompson as well.

601
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Speaker 1: He pulled out of the race there and signing through

602
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Speaker 1: weeks later was the reports from buzz last night.

603
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Speaker 6: So that's you know, Gus won't care about that stuff

604
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 6: like you tweet it. No, it's not because Gus will

605
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 6: want to get Jerry Evans at that club. But if

606
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 6: I know Nick Politis at all, he will dig in

607
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 6: and won't want to concede to gus. I love rugby league.

608
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: No deal done.

609
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: I have to ask a question because you know there

610
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: are there is speculation that there's a deal done with

611
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Speaker 1: one certain club.

612
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Speaker 2: Are you hearing anything? Is this just going to go

613
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Speaker 2: on for a while.

614
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: Can't go on forever though, can it breath like you

615
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: unless there is an agreement there and it comes to

616
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: you know, we don't get told about it until the

617
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: end of the year. Surely a club can't keep a

618
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 4: million dollars plus aside in hope that Cherry Evans goes there,

619
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Speaker 4: which makes is the reason why we think he has signed.

620
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Speaker 6: Until in rugby league, until a player and a coach

621
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Speaker 6: whoever it is that's allegedly going to a club, until

622
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 6: they are there on day one of training, it's not done.

623
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Speaker 2: Stick around journos.

624
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625
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: Joey Spencer. This is a must wind fight for Zoo

626
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627
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