WEBVTT - Israel rejects a genocide finding and widens its war

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven am. The

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<v Speaker 1>UN Commission of Inquiry has delivered its starkest assessment yet,

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<v Speaker 1>finding that Israel has been and is committing genocide in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel has rejected the report, saying it's acting in self

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<v Speaker 1>defense and takes steps to protect civilians. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Israel has begun a major ground defensive in Gaza City

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<v Speaker 1>after weeks of bombardment and abroad, Israel's strike in the

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<v Speaker 1>Qatari capital of Doha has rattled Katar's mediator role and

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<v Speaker 1>put hopes of a ceasefire further in doubt. Today, senior

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<v Speaker 1>diplomatic correspondent for Half Post Akbasha hit Ahmed on the

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<v Speaker 1>next stage of Israel's war. It's Thursday, September eighteen. So well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's begin with this finding from the UN Commission of Inquiry.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me exactly what it's haunt.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a remarkable finding, coming now almost two

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<v Speaker 2>years into this war. It's from some of the most

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<v Speaker 2>respected jurists internationally and certainly in the UN system. It's

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<v Speaker 2>led by Navi Pile, a South Ascan jurists who's deeply respected.

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<v Speaker 3>And known for her work.

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<v Speaker 2>And what the report says is that Israel has been

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<v Speaker 2>and is committing genocide.

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<v Speaker 4>The goal of the Israeli government is abundantly clear as

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<v Speaker 4>we continue to witness the destruction of Palestinians in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 4>The Commission finds it is genocide.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is a huge statement, obviously, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of backup that they have in their report.

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<v Speaker 3>They know it's going to be contended.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel, of course rejects charges of genocide, says, look where

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<v Speaker 2>acting in self defense from US attacked US viciously on

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<v Speaker 2>October southerns and continues to hold these really hostages.

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<v Speaker 3>The UN sides all of that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>But according to their analysis, they're saying on four of

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<v Speaker 2>the five criteria by which you can charge genocide, they

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<v Speaker 2>have absolute confirmation that Israel is conducting it.

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<v Speaker 4>On the specific intent of genocide, the Commission concludes that

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<v Speaker 4>statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent.

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<v Speaker 4>The Commission also concludes that the pattern of conduct is

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<v Speaker 4>circumstantial evidence for genocidal intent, and the genocidal intent was

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<v Speaker 4>the only reasonable inference that could be drawn from a

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<v Speaker 4>totality of the evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>The one that's really hard to prove always is intent.

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<v Speaker 2>But they say, based on segnals from Israeli officials and

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<v Speaker 2>the pattern of behavior bout Israelis, it looks like we

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<v Speaker 2>can tell the intent, even if of course you can't

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<v Speaker 2>seen someone's heart onlind Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And so tell me more about Israel's reaction to report.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Israeli response has understandly been quite serially.

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<v Speaker 5>Israel has already responded to the report. A Foreign Ministry

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<v Speaker 5>spokesperson called it a fake report, say it relies entirely

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<v Speaker 5>on her mass falsehoods laundered and repeated by others.

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<v Speaker 2>These Raelis have been upset with you and on a

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<v Speaker 2>number of factors around the glass of war. But what

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<v Speaker 2>you'll hear from Israel and from its supporters, particularly here

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<v Speaker 2>in the US, is that Israel teaks precautions to shield civilians. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so they will say, look, we have what they call

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<v Speaker 2>a safe zone, and they say, if we wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>meet on a side, you know, we could have been

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<v Speaker 2>much more vicious.

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<v Speaker 3>But in fact we've been judicious. That's why it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Taken us now coming up on two years to conduct

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<v Speaker 2>this war. We have been slower than we otherwise would

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<v Speaker 2>have been. So how dare you accuse us of this?

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<v Speaker 6>What we're doing is we're telling the population because we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to take over and destroy the ham Strongholder, one

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<v Speaker 6>of the last two strongholds and the most important one

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<v Speaker 6>that Hamas has left in the Gaza strip. We ask

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<v Speaker 6>you to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Something important to remember with the Israeli response is while

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<v Speaker 2>they have largely criticized the UN's approach from its legal

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<v Speaker 2>analysis to its aid delivery, these Reelis has collaborated with

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<v Speaker 2>and participated in the UN. So they have admitted even

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<v Speaker 2>from there end that the UN legal expertise is really.

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<v Speaker 3>Valuable in this instance.

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<v Speaker 2>And I point out particularly claims around the actual attacks

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<v Speaker 2>of October seventh and what Hamas did. These Raelis were

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<v Speaker 2>adminant that they're the international confirmation that Havas, among its

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<v Speaker 2>various other acts of violence, also committed sexual assault against

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<v Speaker 2>women on that day, and that was a very contested claim.

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<v Speaker 2>The Israelis brought in UN experts, and UN experts said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, yes, this claim is true. Hamas has

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<v Speaker 2>permitted sexual assaults. So when it's convenient for these Raelis,

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<v Speaker 2>you've certainly seen them embrace UAN findings. But these juris

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<v Speaker 2>and these experts in the UN broadly are trying to say,

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<v Speaker 2>we warned Israel right before we reached this finding. The

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<v Speaker 2>International Court of Justice U and to top court ordered

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<v Speaker 2>Israel three times in twenty twenty four to avoid China side.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what these experts already saying is don't let

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<v Speaker 2>this happen. We don't want to accuse you of China side.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want you to commit the jenocide. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is also coming in the context of a broader question

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<v Speaker 2>mark around the international legal apparatus and the International Criminal

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<v Speaker 2>Court a large. These experts are saying, if we can't

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<v Speaker 2>be taken seriously as holding Israel and the West spartners accountable,

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<v Speaker 2>how will they be taking seriously on China and Shinjiang,

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<v Speaker 2>on Russia and Ukraine, you know. So it's that broader

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<v Speaker 2>global picture two of justice.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the UN report comes as Israel heavily bombed Gaza

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<v Speaker 5>City overnight, with Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz saying Gaza

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<v Speaker 5>is burning. We're getting on confirmed reports from the US

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<v Speaker 5>news side Axios and the Jerusalem Post that the military

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<v Speaker 5>has now launched its ground defensive to occupy the entire city.

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<v Speaker 1>And just as this report was published, is Rael launched

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<v Speaker 1>a ground offensive in Gaza City. So tell me what

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing play up there at this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to say that anything is shocking this far

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<v Speaker 2>into the wall. And you know, I've done some reporting

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<v Speaker 2>from Plazas City and just imagine the way it's been

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<v Speaker 2>level than the way people are been living there now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to imaginating.

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<v Speaker 2>Its shocking, but this movie is still it's a different

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<v Speaker 2>level of fighting.

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<v Speaker 7>A military official confirmed the idea is moving towards the

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<v Speaker 7>center of Gaza City. Israeli Defense Minister Israel Cats release

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<v Speaker 7>this statement Monday night. The idea for striking with an

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<v Speaker 7>iron fist at the terror infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>Really it's a brown vision that is coming amid and

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<v Speaker 2>after heavy, heavy, heavy bombing. It's going to be kind

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<v Speaker 2>of street the street, house to house. There's tons of

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<v Speaker 2>pleasants people, so there Palestinians who are terrified, many of

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<v Speaker 2>them women and children. And this is you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is expected to be probably the bloodiest battle of the war.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that Israel's own security apparatus has been quite adamant.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to do and they've said, look, we

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<v Speaker 2>think strategically this might be a mistake, It might be

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<v Speaker 2>hard to win.

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<v Speaker 3>It might feel backlash.

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<v Speaker 2>From the Palestinians that helps sum Us. It might heel

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<v Speaker 2>international coordination. So from the Israeli security operatists, they are

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<v Speaker 2>saying still that they're trying to slow roll.

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<v Speaker 3>This is fault on Plaza City.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is a major offensive and again will probably

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<v Speaker 2>be the biggest offensive intercrowded city throughout this entire war.

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<v Speaker 2>There's still just hundreds of thousands of people still in

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<v Speaker 2>the city as the fighting begains.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and all of this comes as the US Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of State Marco Rubio has been in the region. He

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<v Speaker 1>met with Benjamin Netnyahu at the beginning of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me about the reason for his trip.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, haamask can surrender tonight if they want, lay down

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<v Speaker 8>their way weapons. The problem is a terrorist group, barbaric

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<v Speaker 8>group whose stated mission is the destruction of the Jewish state.

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<v Speaker 8>So we're not counting on that from happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary Rubio, who important remember is also President Trump's National

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<v Speaker 2>Security advisor.

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary Rubio is.

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<v Speaker 2>Representing the Trump administration on the ground in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>After Israel's truck, a major US ally got there in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of last week where it targeted something US

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<v Speaker 2>leaders unsuccessfully. So he's in the regent's private say we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to see this explode. But it's also shows

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<v Speaker 2>solidarity both with Israel and with Patter.

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<v Speaker 8>As much as we may wish that there'd be a

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<v Speaker 8>sort of a peaceful diplomatic way to end it and

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<v Speaker 8>will continue to explore and be dedicated to it, we

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<v Speaker 8>also have to be prepared for the possibility that that's

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<v Speaker 8>not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>While it remains basically all one player side, it is

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<v Speaker 2>the enabler, the backer, the diplomatic and military supporter of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sale they want to say, look, we're trying to prevent

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<v Speaker 2>conflict from spiring.

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<v Speaker 3>Other control.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, how Israel's attack on Doha has left Arab

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<v Speaker 1>leaders questioning if they can still rely on the United States.

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<v Speaker 9>So we've got breaking news from the Middle East, and

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<v Speaker 9>this is significant. Moments ago, the Israeli military saying that

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<v Speaker 9>it conducted a strike against senior Hamas leadership not in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 9>but in the capital city of Doha and Qatar Akbar.

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<v Speaker 1>As you mentioned, just over a week ago, Israel launched

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<v Speaker 1>an attack on a residential neighborhood in the Qatari capital Doha.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me a bit more about what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is a targeted attack on the leadership of Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>in the center of the Katrie capital of Doha, in

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<v Speaker 2>a commercial district surrounded by luxury skysc does embassy's fancy supermarkets,

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a weekday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 6>At noon today, I convened the heads of Israel security

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<v Speaker 6>organizations and authorized a surgical precision strike under terrorist chiefs

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<v Speaker 6>of Ramas.

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<v Speaker 2>These really said they were talking specifically two figures Hamas leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>Khalil al Haya and Khalige Mitchell, among others. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>two of the most senior Hammas leaders. Neither was actually killed.

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<v Speaker 2>But it really raised this question of why these Radis

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<v Speaker 2>would do that while As simultaneously pursuing negotiations with Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>broke out by the US, in which these Hamas leaders

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of top decision makers for any possible deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, was the goal here to disrupt states by negotiations.

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<v Speaker 2>Suddenly there's been a lot of suspicion on the American side,

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<v Speaker 2>on the Israelis side, particularly you know from hostage families

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<v Speaker 2>is really hostages, twenty of them still alive, are still

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza, and a lot of them are saying why

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<v Speaker 2>have we not ended this war and cut a deal

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<v Speaker 2>to bring out people home.

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<v Speaker 10>You must to understand every second in captivity is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 10>I didn't think that I could make able alive.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most kind of chilling messages about the

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza City offensive came from Noah ar the Money, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Freedom's really hostages, where she said I knew

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<v Speaker 2>what it felt like to be in this really hostage

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza as we were ramping up fighting.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are I be cutting a deal instead?

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<v Speaker 10>Today I come before you to say, do not let

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<v Speaker 10>the darkness take over work for to get everyone home now.

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister at Niaghu has said two things at once.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I will only accept the deal that is

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<v Speaker 2>really really tilted towards Israel while it's so prioritize the hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>but also his saying I'm going to target and eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>her master's leadership everywhere. So even after this striking cucker,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't say from the Israeli side that that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, where going to keep going off for hermass leaders?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it intentional to disrupt the talks? I think you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be hard pressed to find this really official who would

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<v Speaker 2>concede that on the record, given that they are a

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<v Speaker 2>US partner. At President Trump has said he wants to deal.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going to say anything that will anger him.

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<v Speaker 2>But certainly there's cluster marks about why this was coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd also note again this is coming amid the Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>City offensive, amid the UN session, where there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot of talk of Balastinian stated it's also

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<v Speaker 2>way for Israel to flex its muscles at a really

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<v Speaker 2>strategic point and distract from some other matters.

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<v Speaker 3>That that happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And in response to that attack in Doha, dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>Arab and Islamic leaders they met in Qatar on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me a bit about who was there and

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<v Speaker 1>what was discussed.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was a meeting that brought together kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the shocked countries across the region, many of the US

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<v Speaker 2>partners that did not think the US would commit Israel

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<v Speaker 2>to go ahead with an attack like this.

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<v Speaker 11>We gathered today on a very somber and sorrowful occasion

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<v Speaker 11>when the brotherly Islamic state of Cuta was treacherously targeted

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<v Speaker 11>by an aggressor who why did international law without fear

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<v Speaker 11>of any consequence.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had countries like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>your countries are close to the US.

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<v Speaker 3>You also had Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea was Cutter really felt its sovereignty, its role

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<v Speaker 2>in the region was questioning nob It never has been before.

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<v Speaker 2>Cutter has been climbing this neutral ground. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>hosted from US because the US asked it to. So

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<v Speaker 2>they're really wondering. We thought that role would shield us.

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<v Speaker 12>Now they're sending a negotiating team on one head, and

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<v Speaker 12>they're trying to eviscerate the negotiation on the other. This

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<v Speaker 12>has been the practice of the Israelis to this day.

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<v Speaker 12>If bringing the war to a halt will be met

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<v Speaker 12>with the release of their captives, it is not what

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<v Speaker 12>they want. They aim to turn Gaza into a wasteland

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<v Speaker 12>uninhabitable by the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>The summit did bring kind of fiery speeches from a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these leaders, it didn't bring significant action, and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems that for now some of these leaders in

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<v Speaker 2>the Ireland majority world are still hoping that full size

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<v Speaker 2>to President Trump can overwhelm his preference and his support

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<v Speaker 2>for Israel, so kind of inspire him to rein in

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Ministern and Yahoo. And we have some grounds to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that, right compared to say President Biden a year ago.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has a very deep financial interests in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these countries and does not want to see

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<v Speaker 2>risks of their economies full of business and be He

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<v Speaker 2>has actually a willingness to push that Yahoo in the

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<v Speaker 2>way that Bid the administration did not. He pushed him

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<v Speaker 2>into cease fire at the beginning of this year. He's

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<v Speaker 2>pushed him to kind of respect syria sovereignty a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of the hope. So they're holding a fire,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wouldn't be surprised to see them become more

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<v Speaker 2>certain in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And Katar is obviously a key US ally in the region.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the largest US military facility in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's long played this role in trying to mediate

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<v Speaker 1>diplomacy in the area. So to what extent is all

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<v Speaker 1>of that at risk now?

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<v Speaker 2>So I even few fund the Hamas leadership and fatter Right,

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<v Speaker 2>the Fatteries manage their presence, their safety, their security, They

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<v Speaker 2>ticket extremely seriously. It's not that these Hamas leaders are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of running around the Pefrey capital it scot Free.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very much seen as this is a process, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a special role that we will play, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course in that capacity, they've also had really close links

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<v Speaker 2>and discussions with Israel over many years. I mean Israel

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<v Speaker 2>prior to October seventh work very closely with the Gutterries

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of shore up the hamas.

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<v Speaker 3>Ruan government in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Cutter is facing a bit of a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of an identity crisis. It's certainly looking to see if

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<v Speaker 2>there are others in its neighborhood who could shore that more,

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<v Speaker 2>and that could mean Iran, with which it's always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of had an open dialogue. I don't think it's likely

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<v Speaker 2>to move out of the US military umbrella. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>moments like this really make these countries that are wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>nations that spend billions part billions in the US from

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<v Speaker 2>private investments, that link their entire military system to the US.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes some questions should we keep doing that is

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<v Speaker 2>not actually a security guarantee. So you could see a

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<v Speaker 2>little more of kind of the potential flirting with US competitors,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Russia, China, which we've seen other countries in

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<v Speaker 2>the DALs Do, notably the United our Emirates.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Appa, thank you so much for your time today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, US President Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed he plans to meet Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time soon. Albenzi is due to visit the

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<v Speaker 1>United States next week for the Meeting of View and

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<v Speaker 1>General Assembly in New York. President Trump has not given

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<v Speaker 1>an exact date for a meeting, but mentioned that the

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<v Speaker 1>two leaders would be meeting soon as he criticized ABC

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<v Speaker 1>journalist John Lyons for asking a question about his business

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<v Speaker 1>dealings and Tyler James Robinson, the suspect in right wing

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<v Speaker 1>activist Charlie Kirk's assassination, has made a court appearance via

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<v Speaker 1>video feed from jail. The twenty two year old is

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<v Speaker 1>being held without bail as he faces seven charges, including

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<v Speaker 1>aggravated murder, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering. I'm Ruby Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>This is seven am. See tomorrow you

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<v Speaker 3>And