WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 24 February 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.360 Live from Gilmore. This is the Paul Murray pub Test. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:11.000 Get I. Everyone, welcome here to a very special moment 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.800 where everyone who's just spontaneously was rom Attelly and we 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.080 are here for the first part test of the threat 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.400 three five federal election. Thank you very much. We are 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.959 in the seat of Gilmour. Yes, we are right in 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.920 the heart of the Titus electorate in the country. Three 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:29.760 hour in seventy three votes was how it was all 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.720 decided this time last election. And in this room tonight 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.519 we have viewers of the program people who have come 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.600 along to ask questions of two of the main candidates. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.040 Andrew Constance who is here for the Liberal Party, and 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.720 a local independent is going to be here as well. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.400 We will introduce both of them to you in greater 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.919 detail in a moment or two's time. But first, just 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.319 a little observation of the day's news. Now. I want 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.680 to talk about both the Prime Minister and the opposition 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.080 leader today and we're yeah, the government is trying to 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.040 take the federal election to try to change the subject 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:09.240 from the subject that would see them lose the election. Obviously, 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.000 Anthony Albernezi after eight and a half billion dollars of 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.480 extra money when it comes to Medicare, was out and 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.759 about pretending that Peter Dutton didn't make exactly the same 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:18.960 promise yesterday. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.880 Australians can't afford the Medicare bill that Peter Dutton will 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.160 make them pay. I know that yesterday he had a 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.920 bit of a change of heart, but no one believes 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.559 a bloke who's been in office for such a long 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.720 period of time and before the time that he became 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:43.720 the Health Minister, Tony Abbott promised no cuts to health perfect. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.280 Sense to me. Meantime, the Opposition leader, well, he was 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.639 backing away at the bloke who made the same promise 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:49.720 that he did yesterday. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.000 The first term opposition hasn't won since nineteen thirty one. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.520 Now this is the worst government since nineteen thirty one, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.120 and Anthony Albertez is the worst Prime Minister since nineteen 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:00.120 thirty one. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:00.880 Out of his depth. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.080 I think we should be very honest about that, and 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.760 I think the Australian public has understood that. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.000 Now, while the current debate and much of the meaning 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.440 debate is to have a conversation about medicine, Medicare, hospitals, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.000 who's going to pay for it? It doesn't take a 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.200 genius to work out what is the number one issue 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.079 every pole, every time we've gone out of a microphone, 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.520 over and over. What is it? Roll the tape? 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.920 The cost of living, living, cost of living, cost of living. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.239 The cost of living's crazy, you know if you're a 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.320 regular viewer of the program. If not, well, I care 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.720 a lot about the idea that three years into any government, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.720 but particularly a government that remember, made a promise. This 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.600 was the Prime Minister's promise from his Twitter feed. I 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.600 did not make this up. This is not some far 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.760 right wing AI conspiracy, but that's the promise that the 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.920 Labor government would lower the cost of living. Does anyone 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.079 have the sense that things have lowered in the past 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.480 three years? Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so. Okay. Also, 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.040 three million people in Australia are this close to homelessness. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.480 A lot of different reasons, but it means the cost 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.359 of basics. And we have shown you this is you know, 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.600 we're the type of show that counts the grains of 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.480 sand on the beach as opposed to people just walking by. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.440 We've shown you the stories, we showed you the Senate inquiries, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.040 We've spoken to the people from Food Bank that it 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.880 is three point four million Australians who don't know where 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.040 their food is going to come from each and every week. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.520 So the joint has gone backwards. Oh, global factors, well 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.880 these were all the same global factors three years ago, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:39.000 but a promise was clearly not kept. So you can 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.600 understand why the Prime Minister wants to change the subject, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.320 wants to change the subject to one that is traditionally 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.960 stronger for center left governments, obviously for the Labor Party, 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.760 and all the way down to holding up the props. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.280 And I'm sure there's no one on the internet who 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.400 will start putting other things in his hand on the 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.440 internet over the next little while. But you can see 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.960 you that also every time we go and have a 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.360 look at the polling, this was a Morgan pole. Morgan 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.160 pole was the strongest pole for the Labor Party at 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.760 the moment. By the way, well it shows number one issue. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.160 Fifty seven percent of people say that it is about 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.600 keeping the cost of living down right, This is out 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.480 of one hundred at any one time. Improving health services 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.920 second best issue, then it's down to crime, then it's 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.120 down to climate change. So you can see why they're 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.400 trying to drag the conversation into a certain direction. Today 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.560 Freshwater Pole, again the issues have look at the screens 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.159 here about the issues of the order in which people 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.880 care about them. You can see cost of living by 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:36.400 a country mile on this one, though healthcare not as high, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.600 but it seems to be the strongest of the areas 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.520 for the government to try to change the conversation, to 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.440 try to have a multi week debate between now and 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.880 then that that's what they want the election to be about, 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.480 because if you hold them account to the promise they 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.000 made three years ago, they're going to get the ass 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.920 that's the truth of what is most likely to happen. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.000 And when we actually have a look at again some 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.800 of the deeper data inside the polling that around today 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.000 in that Freshwater Pole, in the Financial Review, check out 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.479 the big screens or watch it at home, that when 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.799 it comes to the economy, forty one percent of people 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.559 back in the Libs of the moment, twenty five percent 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.640 the ALP, a significant number of people undecided, but as 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.680 always in that split it in fifty to fifty. Clearly 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.680 the Libs get over fifty percent when it comes to 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.800 the issues in and around the cost of living, a 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.400 little closer, but still it lives up thirty six to 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.000 twenty six, close to forty percent of people still up 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.200 and about. And even then if you start to split that, well, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.560 then you might even not even start getting towards fifty 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.760 to fifty in some areas. But of course health same issues, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.200 same poles, the same poles that show fifty one, forty nine, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.440 forty eight, fifty two. They show here that healthcare is 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.520 an advantage, but not a massive one for the Labor Party. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.440 They are hoping if we can have a week long 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.000 conversation about it, then we're all somehow distracted from the 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.360 past three years and we start to go where we're 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.400 going to go further to that point in the pole 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.640 that I showed you last night when we were in 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.880 Bateman's Bay, just up the road, and believe me, locations count, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.159 locations count, locations matter. I when we're up the road 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.960 in Bateman's Bay, there was that polling which showed a 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.359 giant blowout for the Labor Parties vote and starting to 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.200 head towards the local too. But it shows here when 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.600 it comes to economic management again, forty one percent in 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.360 favor of the coalition, just twenty four percent in favor 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.680 of labor. You do the same when it comes to 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.760 keeping cost of living low. Significant number of people undecided 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.680 still about a quarter, but the Liberals much closer to 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.880 fifty percent than labor. When it comes to hospitals, I 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.080 make the same point for the nine hundredth time, but 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.359 it's important to drive it home. Why are we talking 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.960 about hospitals because they matter? Sure, but why does the 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.159 government want you to talk about hospitals Because they know 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.479 if plays better for them in an election. They want 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.479 the Jedi mind trick to be This is not the 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.760 cost of living crisis that we promised we would fix, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.160 and they expect you to own your mind. I'm not 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.640 entirely sure that's going to be the case, because every 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.080 time we see a pole it tells the same story. 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.880 And these polls they exist everything from the turbul Times 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.800 in the Guardian through to the Australian. They pop up 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:17.080 in the Financial Review. All the different TV stations have 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.680 got their polls and they say the same thing over 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.080 and over again. Now again, can poles be wrong? Yes? 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.920 Are the bookies more likely to be right? Yes? But 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.720 what do they say that there's going to be a 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.840 change of government that's the bookies. As for the Albanize's 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:33.000 performance and where he sits in these polls, fifty six 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.400 percent of people remember when the rate cut was supposed 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.920 to change everything. Fifty six percent of people say that 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.440 the Prime Minister's doing a poor or very poor job 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.720 compared to Dunden, where he's forty percent at poor or 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.440 very poor. Also, you need to see here too, a 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.880 couple of other factors about what's going to play out 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.080 here in Gilmore, what is going to play across the 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.480 rest of the country. And that is not just team 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.800 Red and Team Blue here because while we compare the pair, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.920 as they would say in the Union, Superannuation adds that 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.960 the polling number show that Labour's primary vote according to 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.720 the resolve is that twenty five, the fresh Water is 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.280 thirty one, the Libs thirty nine or forty one, the 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.440 Greens thirteen a piece. And then the biggest question of 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:22.320 all other now other is in some poles, everything from 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.320 Victorian socialists running in the Senate all the way through 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.080 to Clyde Palmer and the trumpets right in between, genuine 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.360 community ones, fake ones, faux Greens. All the rest of 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.640 it is in there plus one nation and that's what's 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:40.040 really interesting. Now I have a strong opinion you have 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.800 free will, and that's the joy of a democracy. But 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.280 it is really important what you do with your preferences, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.600 because your preferences will decide who ends up forming government, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.839 what type of government will be formed. In fact, in 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:58.680 some poles, fascinating to watch that the result of both 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.560 one Nation and the Inde vote at the last election 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.040 was five percent at the election coming up. And you 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.880 don't seem to see this in the rest of the media, 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:13.440 but the latest resolved ball published in the Age newspaper. Okay, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.040 not a right wing think tak one nation and the 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.480 independence level at nine percent. Now, put simply, if you're 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.680 somebody who would like to seen blue victory, you need 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:27.040 the vast majority of those one nation preferences to make 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.360 their way back towards Liberal party. If you're somebody who 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.240 would like to get a different result, well then obviously 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.520 you want their votes to be lower or in terms 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.400 of those independent preferences where they go. That's why it's 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.440 fascinating to be here. This is a place decided by 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.760 three hundred and seventy three votes. We currently before an 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.360 election is called, have got a couple of candidates that 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:48.960 are going to be here, a couple of candidates that 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.240 haven't turned up, but who knows whether it's a Melbourne 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.120 cup field. Once formally the starter's gun is fired and 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.360 then everyone starts to rush. Follow what they say when 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.480 it comes to preferences, because it gives you an indication 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.960 about old intimately what they think is the lesser of 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.520 two evils, or the thing that perhaps in some cases 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.200 might be what they're actually trying to achieve. Now, I 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.760 want to turn our attention to weather and weather, particularly 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.480 outside of politics in Queensland. Now, as we know, Queensland 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.199 got bashed around by the floods over the past couple 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.439 of weeks. We spoke to plenty of people in im 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.560 We know the problems that they've had. When it comes 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.240 to insurance, Well, there's a cyclone which is on its way. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.839 The cyclone is Cyclone Alfred and he's the latest from 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.520 sky and is weather about another example of Australia getting 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:35.840 bashed about because of weather. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.520 What we're seeing as we head into our Tuesday is 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.719 the system set to strengthen it to a major cyclone 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.120 Cat three status, so strengthening as it continues to push 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.000 to the south for the next twenty four hours and 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.440 looking to increase wind as well as the shower activity 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:53.880 across Parne with Queensland. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.520 Now, the official name for this cyclone is Cyclone Alfred, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.800 but forgive me if I'm going to call it by 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.040 its actual name, which is Cyclone Albow. You see, this 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.280 was a story that came out last week that the 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.400 last cyclone had a Z in front of it, which 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.520 was Zelda or something. So you're supposed to then just 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.240 start the alphabet again, and you know, the computer says no. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.920 Machine said that this was supposed to be Cyclone Anthony, 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.560 but because they wanted to avoid confusion with the Prime Minister, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.560 they changed the name. So when this gets serious, when 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.800 this hits landfall, when this cause trouble, or call it 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.480 by its real name till then it's Cyclone Alba that 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.080 is currently making its way towards Queensland. And this, of 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.560 course is our Nightly reminded that the Prime Minister is 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.800 a wordsmith, right up there with the best Australia has 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:42.640 ever produced. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:51.360 Roses are red violets of blue. It's Valentine's Day and 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.120 we loved Luke Cola. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:12:02.440 Working brilliant, just brilliant like more Place, more in the Okay, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.680 or other things that happening around the world that, of 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.120 course you need to know. Pope francis still in a 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.199 critical condition. The fears about what seems to be the 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.920 inevitable have also been underlined by the fact that cardinals 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.160 have been called back to Rome. They would of course 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.560 meet in a conclave to choose a new pope upon 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.840 the death of this one. We've got reporters crews there 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.000 in and around the hospitals in Rome and we will 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.400 follow all of it along with our colleague in colleagues 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.880 in the UK. I also want to take a moment 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.560 out from politics to say strength and love to my mate, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.559 my mate Ray Hadley, who you have seen on the telly, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.240 you've heard on the radio. Well, he may will have 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.680 heard in the past couple of days about his beautiful 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:45.640 granddaughter and his granddaughter receiving a significant health diagnosis in 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.040 and around cancer. That is terrible for anyone. When it's 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.640 somebody that we know, we are able to share the 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.920 journey with them. So strength and love to Ray, his 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.520 daughter and his granddaughter. Here is what Ray told Daily Telegraph. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.760 Just a couple I've asked my daughter and son Laura, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.360 if I can reveal this and they've given me permission. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:15.000 January sixth, my three year old granddaughter Lola was. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.760 Diagnosed with lakemia and that was like a bolt out 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:20.200 of the blue. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.080 My daughter and son in law. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.839 They have three children, a six year old Lola and 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.040 a little one year old Remy. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.280 So their life is in absolute disarray. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.360 Can we give a round of applause as a shop 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.040 strength and love to Lola, Lauren Ray, all of us, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.640 to Willith family, You love your Verma. All right, who's 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.199 up for a little bit of Donald Trump news? 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You know it's the economy, stupid absolute Svengali 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.600 of the Clinton administration, which was thirty years ago. But 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.240 this was the bloke who spoke with certainty that Kamala 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.520 was going to win. In fact, he said there were 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.400 three very key reasons, none of them turned out to 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.960 be true. Then he turned around and said that she 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.200 was a second seventh string quarterback, she was never up 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.680 to it, but she was guaranteed to win. Well, now 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.840 he's decided to play a new game, which is that 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.920 the Trump administration will apparently collapse in the next thirty days. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.000 So the guy who said she'd win then she was 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.880 garbage now says it's all going to fall apart. Why 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.960 roll the tape? This is what I believe. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.400 I believe that this administration in less than thirty days, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:59.640 in the midst of a massive collapse, and particularly a 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:04.480 collap apps. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:07.320 In public opinion. But the best news for those of 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.800 us a little too obsessed with American politics is this 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:15.080 Lady Joy and Reid, hardcore lefty portal on crisis, has 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:19.040 had plenty to say about MAGA its supporters anywhere around 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.120 the world. Well, guess what, she's been sacked by MSNBC. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.080 Her show is about this a PI and you don't 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.720 know who I'm talking about. This is who I'm talking. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.240 Fine, kof of course is Adolf Hitler's fascist manifesto. And frankly, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.280 it doesn't matter if Trump didn't read it. Come on, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.080 as this man ever read anything. Similarities to what happened 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.880 in Germany and what's happening now in America are just undeniable. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.320 One side stands for freedom, while the other meets the 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:51.600 textbook definition of fascism, namely a far right dictatorial regime 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.440 like Hitler's Germany or Franco's Spain or Mussolini's Italy. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.960 She's gone and we are here to discuss all things Gilmore. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.240 Let's talk about this great part of Australia and its 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.280 political future. Tom Connell, the man who knows all the numbers, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.520 knows all of the issues. He has a look at 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.560 the Titus seat in the country and then the questions 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.520 from its voters to two of its key candidates. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.440 The seat of Gilmour on the New South Wales South 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.640 Coast was a cliffhanger in twenty twenty two. It was 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.880 won by Labour's Fiona Phillips after many days of counting 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.360 by just zero point one seven percent or three hundred 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.800 and seventy three votes. Andrew Constance. He's back, having another 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.400 crack with the Liberal Party. The Greens are running again 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:37.120 and the new candidate independent Kate Desinal. She's running with 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.440 financial backing from Climate two hundred. She's not seen as 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.240 a realistic chance of winning, but she could affect the contest. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.680 That's if she takes primary vote away from Andrew Constance. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.480 He will likely need to poll above forty percent to 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.480 be a chance of winning. Labour's worry will be well 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.720 the Greens vote dip. They relied heavily on preferences from 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.520 the Greens last time around. This has been a hotly 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.960 contested seat since twenty thirteen, the biggest margin in four 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.960 elections since then, as you can see, just two point 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.560 six percent, and it is seen as they must when 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.679 the Liberal Party this time around if they are going 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.960 to form government, because failing to break through in Labour's 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.119 second most marginal seat in the country, well that would 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.680 mean very few gains. And remember they start a long 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:24.280 way behind, twenty two seats behind labor So what individual 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.879 factors could change this seat. It's a bit of a 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.480 mixed bag on the mortgage front. Fewer people in the 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.439 seat of Gilmore have a mortgage that's compared to the 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.680 Australian average slightly more though we're in mortgage stress when 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.280 this figure was taken, and crucially that was before all 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.399 thirteen interst rate rises. So in other words, this figure 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.720 is going to be a lot higher than that incomes 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.920 as well, and lower than the national average. This is 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.120 an area with plenty of retirees, so if you think 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:55.119 of those retirees and lower income earners and mortgage stress, 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.520 cost of living here is biting and will be a 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.440 huge part of the campaign. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.640 All right, thank you very much, Tom Connall, and thank 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.520 you for the awkward moment of suggesting Kate doesn't have 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.160 a chance to win. Of course you've got a chance 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.680 to win. It's going to be on the ballot paper. Kate, Desanna, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.959 who's here? And Andrew Constance is here. Please give him 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:17.240 a round of applause. All right, Truss is the coin 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.720 in my head? Andrew and Kate, I just want to 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.680 ask you one question before we get into all of 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.840 the locals with their questions, just simply who are you? 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.080 Not why are you're running? Not the stump speech, but 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.960 just who are you? Andrew Well grew. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:34.000 Up in the region, you know. I'm the eldest sibling 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:35.640 of four. Was a school teacher. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.960 Dad was a local solicitor in Canberra. Come from a 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.280 farming family in the Minara. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.880 And I've been a state member for almost twenty years 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.000 in our region, representing communities from Alla Dallah, Maria and 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:47.639 Batman Spay. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.000 Okay, good stuff, Kate. Who are you? And how did 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.160 I get your name wrong? Probably Kate Desanno. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.800 There we go, ame and I am the community independent 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.280 for the seat of Gilmour at the upcoming election. I'm 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.680 a small business person. I own a network of co 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.520 working spaces. I'm a mother of three teenage children. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:05.680 I'm a trade wife. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.280 I'm somebody who has worked long and hard supporting community 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.560 organizations to be able to collaborate with each other, to 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.640 be strong and to be able to endure the challenges 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.840 of the last few years. And yeah, I'm really looking 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.440 forward to being able to do politics a bit differently 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:24.160 in the local area. 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.360 Good stuff random applies again the people that are here. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.560 How I should point out Fianna Phillips is the local MP. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.760 She is labor and chose not to be here. I 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.840 know she's in the electorate other events tonight, but no, 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.720 she is not in the room. She was given the 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.800 opportunity to be here along with the Greens as well. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.520 There's no others I know declared candidates. So if anyone 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.480 wants to write an angry letter, send it to somebody else, 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.360 because we've done our best that we can to get 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.879 as many people here. All right, Veronica, I think is 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.080 our first question, Veronica, what would you like to ask 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.480 the two people who'd liked to be your next federal MP. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.480 I'd like to ask them, why do you think you 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.920 deserve our vote? Okay, let's go first with you. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.199 I really think that I deserve to be able to 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.719 give the people of Gilmore a chance to be able 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.760 to have local voices shape local solutions. I think that 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.720 one of the biggest challenges that our broken party political 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.479 system faces at the moment is that our politics has 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:24.919 been captured by short term thinking, by sugar hits that 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.600 the Australian people see through, and by the interests of 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.159 big business. And for the people that I speak to, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.920 they really have a yearning for long term thinking again, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.280 for people whose convictions and their moral compass guide the 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:43.119 decisions that they make and people who are available and 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:44.800 here to be able to listen to the people of 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:46.359 gilmore So, Ronica. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.359 For that reason, I would love to be able to 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:48.920 have a chance. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:49.560 Andrew. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:50.840 Thanks Veronica. 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.960 I couldn't be more proud than to be standing in 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.160 this club of all places after what happened to us 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.120 five years ago, all of us. What I saw then 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.080 was a community spirit, a passion, an empathy and strength 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.720 in our people and in our region. And I care 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.199 about that, and I will fight for that. And I 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.199 know right now our nation and our region is in 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.640 the wrong place, and we've got to get it back 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.399 on track. I will fight to ensure that we do 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.679 address cost of living. I'll fight to ensure we do 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.200 get the road upgrades, and I'll fight to get rid 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.479 of the worst prime minister and worst government this country 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.240 has ever had. 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.240 Thank you, Veronica, Thank you Andrew, Thank you Kate. Well. 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.680 The joy of being on this type of Telly is 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:36.960 I've got to take a break. We'll be back in 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.000 a moment or two. Time. Plenty more questions all night 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:50.080 here on Paul Murray Life. Thanks for watching. Welcome back 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.119 here to the pub test, the first one we're doing 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.400 in twenty twenty five. It's in the scene of Gilmour. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.639 Fiona Phillips is the existing Labor MP showny won the 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.080 last election by three hundred and seventy three votes WI 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.000 She is not in the room tonight. The two people 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.600 who are, though, is Kate Dezano, who is the community 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.199 independent and representing the Liberal Party is Andrew Constance. The 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.120 purpose of these things is, yes, I am very opinionated, 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.680 but I have no say in what people get to ask. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.520 And I want to give the opportunity for local candidates 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.520 to appear on national television. I want them to be 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.520 able to have the type of exposure that they would 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.560 get once they became, say a federal MP. And god forbid, 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.800 we know what they're like before we elect them, rather 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.280 than working out what happens after. So that's the whole 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.080 point and purpose of what we're doing right now. But Rosalind, 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.280 you have a question for our candidates, what would you 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:39.760 like to ask? 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.320 I would like to ask you both, if you are 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.440 fortunate enough to be elected, what will you do for us? 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.399 Read the cost of living? 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:51.399 Andrew, I'll start with you. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:52.439 Thanks for Roslyn. 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.879 Over the last couple of years, every single person in 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.959 Australia has become nine percent poorer, but in regional areas 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:00.800 it's worse. 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.800 It's far worse. And I've been door knocking businesses. 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.960 I've had people break down in tears, and I've drawknocked 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.760 homes and I've seen people just with their household budgets 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.480 in absolute despair. We know you have to manage the 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.840 economy to fix cost of living. We also know crazy 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.040 expenditure out of Canberra means that the Reserve Bank of 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.200 Australia will continue to put the pressure on mortgage holders 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:31.280 in order to deal with inflation. We can't waste any 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:36.560 more money as a country and have everybody under enormous pressure. 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.480 I mean, it's been absolutely shocking. So you do need 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.800 to manage the national finance as well. You do need 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.600 to ensure that those finite resources go into valuable things 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:49.960 like creating jobs with public infrastructure in our region, which 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.000 is why I want to see stimulus with things like 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.160 the Prince's Highway and local roads to get how local 0:23:55.160 --> 0:24:00.560 economy going again. And as part of this, we can't 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:05.200 be heading out thirteen billion dollars to billionaires in the 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.040 green hydrogen space or the critical mineral space. We can't 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:11.640 be wasting four hundred and fifty million dollars dividing our 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:15.080 country around issues like the Voice and think that this 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.560 is a good place for our country to be. We 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:21.120 need to manage the finances, manage the money and then 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.879 start to get our household budgets and our small business 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:25.119 budgets back on track. 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.280 Okay, cost of living, how do you handle it? 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.480 Certainly the number one thing that every time I have 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.520 a conversation with community members, doesn't matter whether we're talking 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:36.080 about young people or whether we're talking about elder Australians, 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.840 the stresses on family budget. So the thing that is 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.439 absolutely top of mind and seeing the kind of stress 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.040 and distress in hard working people who are just trying 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.680 to keep roofs over their head, feed the kids and 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.679 be able to, you know, to imagine a better and 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:51.399 brighter future. 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.280 It's pretty tough. So I definitely hear that and I 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.680 absolutely empathize. 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:01.560 The biggest bucket out of cost of living pressures is 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.280 certainly housing. And that's the conversation that I think is 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.879 a country we really need to be having. As a 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.080 parent of three teenagers, I really want them to be 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.760 able to aspire, to be able to live a life 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:14.720 that is equal. 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.159 Or better than their parents and grandparents. 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.520 And this is the very first generation that are really 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.320 looking down the barrel of struggling with that. When we 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.320 look at the pressures on housing. Yes, we need mortgagees 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:28.000 to come down, we need inflation to be under control, 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.919 and we need for that incredible experience that we have 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.640 had over the last political cycle of all of those 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.560 interest rate cycles to be able to be tempered and 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.199 to start come down. But we really need to be 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.480 looking at housing supply and housing affordability to be able 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.600 to actually tackle the number one pressure that most families 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:52.399 are facing. And the honest conversation is that two thirds 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.359 of our population, either the people who are mortgage holders 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:57.600 or who've paid off their home, they don't want to 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.560 see housing increase to the point where they are worried 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.040 about the value of their principal investment that they have 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:07.000 worked so hard to be able to afford. And so 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.760 we really need to be having much more creative conversations 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:15.399 about how we increase housing supply without risking the value 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:17.960 of people's principal assets. And I just don't hear those 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.880 conversations happening from either side of politics. Who are really 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.040 talking about very small fixes for what is a really 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.960 fundamental problem. It's taken a couple of cycles. So I 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.359 think we need to be looking at affordable housing. I 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.280 think we need to be looking in more innovative things 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:37.119 around modular homes, around granny flats, around tiny homes, around 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.680 build to rent, around land lease schemes. 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:41.200 There are so many ways. 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.760 In which we can increase supply without having this risk 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:44.800 to the broader economy. 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.920 And I just don't hear that conversation happening in politics 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:49.560 at the moment. That's where I'd be spending a lot 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:50.919 of my time and energies early on. 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.320 All right, thank you, rosalind A host prerogative. As a 0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.920 follow up, if it came down to a scenario minority 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.959 government and as an independent, you'd be in a position 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.040 to help things happen or to knock things off. Where 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.320 are you on say things like negative gearing, all of 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:09.520 the taxation stuff that certainly people like the Greens overtly 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.960 would like to would like to see removed. How would 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.240 you vote on that in a federal partment. 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.960 I think that for both of our major parties to 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.680 have taken off the table tax reform, for a couple 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.440 of cycles now is absolute madness. So as a community 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.760 independent you have got the opportunity to look at every 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:28.960 bill on its merit, to listen to the people of 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.840 Gilmour and to be able to reflect their interests and concerns. 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.480 So when you are looking at issues around the impact 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.680 of neguty gearing on the housing as a small business person, 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.240 I have to tell you there is no other tax 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:42.639 system that allows. 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.800 You to run at a loss and be rewarded for it. 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.000 I've got absolutely no problem with mum and dad investors 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.600 and the role that they play in our housing, but 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.160 that needs to be limited to one or two homes. 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.000 It doesn't need to be on your fifth year, sixth 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.440 or your seventh. Just ask all the politicians who are 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:02.440 sitting on very tidy yeah, on very tidy property portfolios. 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.840 We need to start unraveling some of that and bring 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.479 back the fairness and the incentive into our housing system 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:08.320 for young people. 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.840 Okay, as I said, there'll be the occasional moment role jumping, 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:12.840 but it's not about me. It's about people like Johanna, 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.280 who'd like to ask you a question of everyone here. 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.959 The key people running are the labor in peace not here, 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.359 or get to that in a second. But what's your question? 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.960 Do you support wind farms in our oceans and will 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.280 your opinion reflect in your preferences? 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.560 Good question, all right, we'll start with you, Andrew. 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.920 I'm dead set against balance fantasy off our coastline this 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.200 and I'm also sick of climate activists who have scant 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:45.560 regard for people's household bills with these types of renewable programs. 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.920 We've just had a question on the cost of living. 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.760 I mean, power bills in our region have gone up 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.320 by more than a thousand dollars. We were promised two 0:28:55.400 --> 0:29:00.760 hundred and seventy five dollars reduction. What's causing it? Ridiculous proposals. Now, 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.600 the energy mix should be renewables, gas, emissions free, twenty 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.320 four to seven base load nuclear. But we should not 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:11.520 be putting in our ocean structures which bober around with 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.160 chains off them on concrete at the bottom of the 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:18.280 ocean floor the height of Center Point Tower. I might 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.200 add two hundred of them. And no one's even invented 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.200 a floating substation yet. But this is supposed to be 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.240 in by twenty thirty. I mean, give us a break. 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.600 It'll destroy and harm our environment, but it will also 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.840 continue to put enormous pressure on household bills. 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:39.520 Okay, I definitely don't want to take anything off the table. 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.560 When we are looking about having to transition our enemy 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:47.640 energy system to a net zero by twenty fifty, which 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.000 is shared by both things. We need to be looking 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:55.000 at policies and at proposals which survive the feasibility tests. 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:59.840 So they are economic, they are environmental feasibility, and they 0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:02.840 are community return, and they are that they. 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:03.920 Deliver community return. 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.600 At the moment, offshore wind there is no proposal on 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:08.080 the table. 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:09.600 There is nothing that is stacked up. 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.400 If we look similarly at proposals for nuclear energy, we 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:15.440 are talking. 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.880 About fifteen twenty years down the timeline. 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:22.240 We are talking about billions of dollars of public money. Again, 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.320 it does not stack up from the feasibility point of view. 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.760 And so as a community independent we look at things 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.480 that are evidence based. We think, look at things that 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.120 have got community license, we think, look at things that 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:36.360 are actually feasible, and so far offshore wind hasn't. 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.200 Meant feasibility in this region. But it's certainly not something 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.560 that I would be arrogant enough to take off the table, You've. 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.200 Got to look at what works or can I just 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:47.960 say and add to this, Bowen's one hundred percent renewables 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:53.080 plan cost two hundred and sixty billion dollars more than 0:30:53.120 --> 0:31:01.160 the proposal to have nuclear energy in the mix, and 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.280 that is produced by Frontier Economics that were commissioned to 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:06.520 do it were the. 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.560 Same people who did two seventy five before the last elections. 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:14.080 Yeah, but the point out of this is that you know, ultimately, 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:17.520 if you compare an energy mix with gas with renewables 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.880 in nuclear verse one hundred percent renewables, which is intermittent 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:26.240 and doesn't potentially work, people what affordable, secure and clean energy. 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.280 The second part of Joanna's question was about preferences and 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:34.720 about whether a position on wind farms coming here in 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.360 the next three years or the process starting in the 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.400 next three years, whether that would effect who goes where. 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.680 Andrew again, I'll start with you, and I'll get Kate's 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.640 response to that question, because it's what was asked well traditionally. 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:52.920 Groins labor last, absolutely and after what we've seen through 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.400 local government in particular in our region through the Greens 0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.400 and making sure I mean I lost the last election, 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.680 I beat the labor incumbent by six eight hundred on primary, 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.880 and I lost on preferences largely because of the Greens, 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.400 by three hundred and seventy three votes. 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:11.880 That's not fair for our community. 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.480 Okay, all right, Kate, about how you make decisions about 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:20.760 who goes were? Is wind Farms part of that? No? 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.320 No, I'm a community independent and I'm part of a 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:28.120 grassroots movement across the country of people who are looking 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:32.560 for an opportunity to do politics differently. I'm yellow, I'm 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.440 not Green, and I've never had any affiliation with any 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.480 of the political parties because I don't see myself in 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.040 any of them when we're talking. 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.520 Ok okay, all right, I appreciate a couple of times, 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.840 and I understand we're in a forum, and I understand 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.280 I like rough and tumble. But part of the promise 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.240 I make to people is that they're going to respond 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:50.960 to the questions that are asked, not the ones that 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.360 are yelled. So now I understand. So I will gladly 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:58.440 follow up about the specificity on the issue of preferences. 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.719 Have you made your decision about who goes where on 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.160 an eventual ticket? You know that labors in you know 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.800 that Green's in, you know that liberals are in. We 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.360 don't know who else comes in. But have you decided 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:10.480 which way your preferences go? 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.760 Preferences are decided by people when they are standing in 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.920 the ballot box and they're making a decision about their 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:17.560 own vote. 0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:19.200 There is no candidate that can. 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.640 Tell you won't av The how to vote information and 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:27.640 education for people allows them to be able to see 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:29.680 what a flow of preferences to the left or a 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:31.240 flow of preferences to the right is. 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.600 I don't give two options. I think that the idea of. 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.120 Community independence in regional areas, allowing the people to decide 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.800 where their preferences go, is very, very appealing to me. 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:46.640 I'm not a professional politician, and the universe of preference 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.240 and flows is pretty new to me. But I have 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.320 to tell you, I'm really taken by the approach that 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.200 many of the community independence take, which is to allow 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.320 people to decide where their preferences go. When you are 0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.800 standing in the ballot box, it is your decision about 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:03.320 where your preference goes. It certainly is nothing that a 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.840 piece of advertising from a political candidate can overrule once 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:08.120 you are standing in the ballot box. 0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:09.800 Okay, thank you guys. Give me a round of applause. 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.600 I'm enjoying this chat thus far. Plenty of questions about 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.040 local issues like hospitals good also national stuff more on 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:17.520 a sec here as part of the Paul Murray live 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:25.000 pub test here on Sky News. Thanks for watching. We're 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.040 a club Malaula. This is a beautiful part of Australia, 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:31.080 just a little further south down than Bateman's Bay. And 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.360 I continue what I'm going to say it again, Raiment's 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.040 across the road when it comes to Chinese just whatever, sizzling, 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.480 order two of it for me. They have spectacular stuff, 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.520 but as does this club. And move very please to 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.799 be coming from here tonight. The man who is three 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.880 times taller than I am right now has got a 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.759 question for our two candidates, of course, Kate Dezano, who's 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.920 the community Independent Andrew Constance is with the Liberal Party. Paul, 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.600 what is your question for the candidates? Thank you, Paul, 0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.000 and welcome to our beautiful town. Man, God love you. 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:05.000 If you are elected, would you display our Australian flag 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:09.200 proudly in your office or shelf front o Kate, I'll 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:09.680 start with you. 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:15.240 Absolutely, Oh, this country is absolutely one of the most 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.880 extraordinary places that you could possibly be privileged enough to 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:22.279 be born, grow up, raise a family in There is 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.080 absolutely nothing but pride about the fact that. 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:29.279 I'm in Australian Andrew in my campaign office in now 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.080 right now, Australian flags flag. 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:37.120 We have one national flag. We have one national flag, 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:37.800 and I'm. 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.160 Very proud that my leader has indicated that he will 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.479 only stand in front of the Australian flag as. 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:49.080 A fil Okay, all right now, just thank you very much, 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.719 I again, host privilege. I have a question I'm going 0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:53.359 to ask, and it's about the person who's not here. 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.680 What are your thoughts on the fact that the current MP. 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.200 Now maybe not like me, it's fine, but these are 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.120 people that are going to be voting, and there are 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.160 thousands of people that will be watching. We're on free 0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.920 to wear in this part of Australia. She's made the 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.960 choice not to be here. I think she misses an opportunity. 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.759 But Kate, what do you think of the MP not 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.680 being willing to debate on television? No one else is 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.080 going to turn up us to debate you guys about 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:21.680 who should be representing the seat. 0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:25.200 Look, I think coming tonight and having the opportunity to 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.080 be able to connect with people, and it connects with 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.160 people over all sorts of different lines within our community 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.359 is like an opportunity and apprivilege. She would be mad 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.000 not to say yes to it. Democracy is an incredible thing. 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.480 It allows people like me to be able to stand up, 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:43.680 have a go. And I really think that the contest 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:48.359 of ideas is what makes the whole system vibrant. And 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:50.920 I think it would have been fantastic if all of 0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.520 the choices for the set of Gilmore were represented. 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.880 Here this evening, Andrew, I think might have a slightly 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.240 sharper response. 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:04.760 The elections about the community. 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.000 You've got to front up to tell the community your plans, 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.719 my plans about cost of living, the highway, making sure 0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:17.480 that batness by Emergency Department stays open and and quite frankly, 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.480 I don't care what Fiona Phillips does. 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:21.080 It's up to her. 0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:25.240 But clearly Head Office were involved, That's all I would say. 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:28.680 All right, So you you mentioned the emergency Department, you 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:30.960 mentioned the issues that are there at the moment, and 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.279 there's state government decisions that have been made over a 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:36.560 series of governments, including the one of which you were 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.560 part of to close that facility. I have been stopped 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.279 in the street by people that are desperately passionate, part 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.920 of organized groups, but also not part of organized groups, 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.200 who have spoken about this decision. It's good for you 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.040 to stand tonight and say I'll fight, but weren't you 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.360 in a cabinet that made the exact opposite decision. 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.040 Now as part of a cabinet which decided on a 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:02.120 level for regional hospital with an intensive care unit. And 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.160 to be honest with you, we got it wrong. Health 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.799 planning got it wrong six years ago, and I was 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:08.520 sorry about that. And then we went into COVID and 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.040 we did clinical service planning, and the consultation with Batman's 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.440 Bay absolutely was lousy. But there is a way forward 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.400 where you can have the best of both worlds. You 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.160 can have the level for hospital and keep that small 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:24.400 emergency department open without the rest of the hospital, not 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:28.080 as proposed by the lady who's not here, who wants 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.279 to just replace it with a bog billing clinic, but 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.399 actually have it there to save lives. I can tell 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:41.560 you from a personal experience, but that hospital saves lives, 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:46.680 and that ed given all the growth we've seen in 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.000 Batan's Bay the last six years has changed the goalpost. 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:51.360 So governments get it wrong, and I was part of 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.000 the government. We've got a lot more right than it 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:57.480 got wrong. But ultimately now there's an opportunity to keep 0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.960 the ed there with a small flow over a set 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.960 and beds. And the other thing that did happen is 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.759 it labor reduced under the clinical service plan for the 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.439 new regional hospital, the emergency department beds from seventeen down 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:15.280 to twelve, which has shifted the goalposts into why Batan's 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:16.840 Bayed should remain. 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:21.759 Your response, you know how passionate some people are there. 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.880 I balling you as we speak. Your thoughts about that 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.799 emergency department? Would you fight for it or would you 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.200 allow the service to close? 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:32.560 I think any community in a regional area needs to 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.200 know that they have accessible to them the sort of 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.839 standards of healthcare and the sort of availability in their 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:40.400 time of need that people within the cities have. I 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.839 think the lack of health equity when we're dealing with 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.480 regional areas and growing populations is a symptom of the 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.319 fact that our infrastructure just does not keep up with 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.800 changes in population and changes in needs and The reason 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.520 for that is really short term thinking from generations of 0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:01.520 governments who are really addicted to three our fixes and 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.160 to short term sugar hits on things. It really is 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:08.600 unacceptable for people not to be able to access an 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.760 emergency room in their time of need. As a parent, 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.680 even in now a hospital, when my children have had 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.239 to go there for emergencies, you have to as soon 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:18.600 as there's something wrong with your kid. You have to 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:20.239 go to Sydney for surgery. You have to go to 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:24.080 Canberra for surgery. These are absolutely life and death moments, 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:25.680 and I think all of us live with the kind 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.360 of simmering anxiety of things going wrong and having the 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:30.600 sort of health services that. 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:32.759 We need be unavailable in our time of need. 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.880 And it's not just emergencies. It's about a lack of radiography. 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.560 It's about the fact that you can't have your baby 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.760 in the local area. Imagine being waiting to give birth 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:42.640 and thinking that you need to either be. 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.719 Hanging out for weeks at a time. 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.560 Hours away from your jobs and your family and your 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:48.480 support units. 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:52.680 So on a number of different fronts. The endless bucketing 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:53.759 of money. 0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.480 Into GPS only works if you've got the workforce in 0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.799 the region. It only works if that workforce in the 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.480 region you can have the housing that they need to 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.279 be able to locate it where the population is. So 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.640 on so many layers. We have got buck passing between 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.480 layers of government, and we've got really short term thinking. 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:13.320 We need our infrastructure to keep up with our population changes. 0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.440 So forgive you. But is it yes or no about 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:16.280 that particular form? 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:18.320 Absolutely, absolutely, yes. 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.000 Very clear, yes, okay, thank you. All right, Patricia, You've 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.719 got a question also for these lovely people. What do 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:24.200 you want to ask? 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:24.839 Thank you? 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:27.560 What is your view on the membership to the WHO 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.920 and participation with the Paris Climate. 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:34.160 Accord so WORLDHATH Organization, Paris Climate Accord all in connection 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.399 with the UN. Kate, I'll start with you first. 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:42.160 I'm absolutely in favor of a world system where governments 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:46.200 work together to solve systemic problems that affect populations across 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.200 our various continents. So if you are talking about an 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:53.640 isolationist of future where we try and go it alone 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.960 on all of the big picture issues that affect us 0:41:56.760 --> 0:42:00.920 as a as a society internationally, then I I'm sorry. 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:01.759 It's not me. 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:03.800 I really think we need to be able to collaborate. 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.240 The issues and the threats that we're facing are global 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.360 and we need to be able to collaborate globally. 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.439 Andrew Well, first of all, I think if COVID taught 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:18.480 us anything, we need to protect our own sovereignty. And 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:20.120 as part of that, I mean the fact that we 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:25.440 were importing medications and vaccines and masks from China and 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.719 everything else that goes with it. We've got to be 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:29.280 able to stand on our own two feet. 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:29.680 In that sense. 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:35.839 Secondly, so secondly, I mean it's part of that. Yes, 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.279 I mean in terms of our international obligations, they're one thing, 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.600 but don't sell us out as you do it. Twenty 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.080 thirty five Paris Agreement target off the table by the 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:51.000 Liberal Party, and with good reason because the idea of 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:55.880 Matt Keane setting that target and advising Chris Bowen seriously then. 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:56.920 Well he's probably watching. 0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.640 But look, bottom line is we can't afford to run 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.439 the country to the absolutely into the drain. 0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:04.360 We've got enormous. 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.560 Challenges with our costs and that's why it's very important 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:10.240 that we start to look after Australia first and foremost. 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:15.480 Thank you for the question against privileged year. The issue 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:19.839 of climate change, the environment targets. Kate, do you think 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.000 that there are other community independents that have said that 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.160 the target for twenty thirty five needs to be closer 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.760 to seventy percent rather than say the forty three percent. Now, 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.800 do you stand by a goal of twenty thirty five? 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.880 Are you okay with twenty thirty and then to twenty fifty? 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.480 What's your thoughts on twenty thirty five and what that 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:42.359 number should be. 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.960 All I know is that there needs to be a 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.719 twenty thirty number and a twenty thirty five number if 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:52.080 you are genuine about getting to net zero by twenty fifty. 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.840 So all I can see at the moment is another 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:59.400 generation of backflips, delay and confusion. 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:01.560 And for the third of this electorate that. 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.040 Have already put solar panels on their roofs, for the 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:10.000 small businesses that are already locally installing maintaining solar infrastructure 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.319 on people's houses, and for the community organizations that are 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:17.360 saving bills with community solar and with local batteries. 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.839 I think that we really need to be faired income. 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.360 With people about the fact that if you are thinking 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.720 that you're going to get to twenty fifty, you need 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.680 to make a start on that and you need to 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:32.680 be serious about it. Another backflip on energy policy is 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.160 not what this country needs. We have already in this 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:41.160 region got to nearly fifty percent renewaballs. So this is underway, 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.600 this energy transition. The benefits to people's back pockets are 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.000 on the way. And the last thing that the third 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.480 of this electorate that have got solar panels on their 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:51.520 roof want to hear from the government is that the 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:55.000 investment that they made in their home, their future. 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:55.400 And their kids. 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.080 But doesn't but also isn't part of this that there 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.200 is Okay, the Libs have made it very clear, no 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.240 number on twenty thirty five apart from what's been passed 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:11.240 forty three percent going into twenty thirty Is there a range? 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.040 I mean, I know you're going to say there's a 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:15.279 collection of information you're going to I know all the 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.360 ways around the number. But is there a number because 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:23.600 many other community independence have said seventy five percent? Do 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:25.919 you believe that it should be closer to forty three 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.800 percent or seventy five percent? 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.440 I absolutely believe it should be closer to seventy five percent. 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.160 Well, that's the question's That's what I wanted to ask. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.000 All right, let's keep going now. I think we've got 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.440 we've got We've got Jason here. Jason's on this side. Kday, mate, 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.600 what's your question? Very good, Thank Paul. I'm not going 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.799 to hand the mic over. What do you want to ask? 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.880 Okay, what's the government's solution to assist the low and 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:50.520 middle class people of Australia, specifically the high groscy prices 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:51.600 of coals and rulers. 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.160 Okay, Andrew start with you. If you were there, You're 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.080 not just there as an independent, you would be part 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.120 of a government. So what would the Liberal Party's policy 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:00.600 be on these matters? 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.080 Well, first of all, I think the behavior and Coals 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:07.160 all words couldn't have been more I think treachery to 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.759 Australian people over the last few years. We only have 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:11.440 to go down the road to see how our dairy 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:15.040 farmers are being treated over many, many years. So we've 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.160 got to look at the way in which the cost 0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:20.200 inputs are driving up the prices at the supermarkets, and. 0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:21.000 That comes to energy. 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:23.719 We've all been playing in regional News South Wales and 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.440 Regional Australia high fuel prices in the city for a 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.399 very long time, which is why the cost of living 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.920 crisis is more profound here. So there has to be 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:33.000 a way in which we look very closely at the 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:36.400 cose of practice of the supermarkets, but more so what 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.840 they're doing to the farmers who are producing our goods 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.920 and the pressure of that they're under. So energy comes 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:44.840 back to the mix. We've just had a very interesting 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.399 answer in relation to what Climate two hundred view. 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:48.400 The view is. 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:53.000 The reality is that if we don't have affordable, secure 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.879 energy from our fuel supplies to the electricity and our 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:58.440 homes and businesses. 0:46:58.280 --> 0:46:59.200 Then prices will go up. 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.400 I've walked into an example of the ice creamery in 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:06.879 Ala Dallah, the butcher in East Nahara, and in some 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.800 cases those small businesses are not passing on their energy 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.040 price hikes to their customers because they want to look 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.000 after our community, because they're part of it, and that's 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.640 what small business is doing. So national government needs to 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.160 step in be a lot more aggressive. I think the 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.160 A Triple C has been a toothless tiger for a 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:26.480 long time in relation to some of this stuff, and 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:27.440 we need to strengthen. 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:29.920 We're in the last two minutes of the show, respect 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.520 to Fred and Danny with their questions. But Kate, your 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:36.120 last response to this question about how you would help 0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.800 people in low and middle incomes. 0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:42.920 I think duopolies, wherever they exist in politics or in supermarkets, 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:45.719 are really bad for competition and they're really bad for 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.760 everyday consumers. So anything that is going to increase choice, 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.759 competition and to help families to be able to force 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:54.480 the basics has got my support. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.280 All Right, thank you very much. We're in our final 0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:00.600 minute here, and as you started about telling us a 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:03.360 little bit about yourself, I'll give you each I'm going 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.000 to say fifteen seconds because mentally you'll turn that into thirty. 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:10.040 All right, your bumper sticker pitch about why people should 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.520 learn more and think about voting for you. Andrew you first, well, 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:14.720 our country is in the wrong spot. 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.560 We've got to shift to You got to change the 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.000 local member, to change the government and then change the country. 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.880 And Peter Darton does have a twelve point plan that's 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:25.319 designed to protect us all look after all Australians. My 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.800 focus will be dilmore in a way that I've always 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.080 delivered for this community. Everybody knows me, they know what 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.799 I'm capable of, and they know that we need a 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:37.280 voice from here in Canberra, not Labour's voice here in Gilmore. 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.960 All right, how do people get in touch with you? 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.680 Every contents? Dot Com? Going, I NW what want? Website? Facebook? 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:44.680 How do we get in touch with you? 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:46.440 Facebook? Instagram? 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.960 Do I mar in the street? Case? All right? Again 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.200 your pitch and how do we get in touch with you? 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.480 People are yearning to be able to do politics differently. 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:56.440 Across the country. 0:48:56.600 --> 0:49:00.359 There is a movement of grassroots community independence who are 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.320 shaking up the status quo and offering people a chance 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:06.520 to do things differently as a community independent in the 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:09.040 seat of Gilmore. I have got the energy, I've got 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.759 the real life experience and I really want to get 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:13.560 back to a place where our kids have got a 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.080 hope for a future and that people can afford the 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:16.799 basics of life. 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:18.799 Again, good stuff. How do we get in touch with you? 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:20.080 Kateigilmore dot com? 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:20.640 Dot are you there? 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:20.840 We go? 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:22.440 Thank you very much? Give me a rant of applause. 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:25.279 I do appreciate it. Thank you to everyone watching this. 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.680 Plenty more pod tests to come when he names an election, 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:29.800 We're coming your way. See you tomorrow.