Speaker 1: Live from Gilmore. This is the Paul Murray pub Test.
Speaker 1: Get I. Everyone, welcome here to a very special moment
Speaker 1: where everyone who's just spontaneously was rom Attelly and we
Speaker 1: are here for the first part test of the threat
Speaker 1: three five federal election. Thank you very much. We are
Speaker 1: in the seat of Gilmour. Yes, we are right in
Speaker 1: the heart of the Titus electorate in the country. Three
Speaker 1: hour in seventy three votes was how it was all
Speaker 1: decided this time last election. And in this room tonight
Speaker 1: we have viewers of the program people who have come
Speaker 1: along to ask questions of two of the main candidates.
Speaker 1: Andrew Constance who is here for the Liberal Party, and
Speaker 1: a local independent is going to be here as well.
Speaker 1: We will introduce both of them to you in greater
Speaker 1: detail in a moment or two's time. But first, just
Speaker 1: a little observation of the day's news. Now. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about both the Prime Minister and the opposition
Speaker 1: leader today and we're yeah, the government is trying to
Speaker 1: take the federal election to try to change the subject
Speaker 1: from the subject that would see them lose the election. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Anthony Albernezi after eight and a half billion dollars of
Speaker 1: extra money when it comes to Medicare, was out and
Speaker 1: about pretending that Peter Dutton didn't make exactly the same
Speaker 1: promise yesterday.
Speaker 2: Australians can't afford the Medicare bill that Peter Dutton will
Speaker 2: make them pay. I know that yesterday he had a
Speaker 2: bit of a change of heart, but no one believes
Speaker 2: a bloke who's been in office for such a long
Speaker 2: period of time and before the time that he became
Speaker 2: the Health Minister, Tony Abbott promised no cuts to health perfect.
Speaker 1: Sense to me. Meantime, the Opposition leader, well, he was
Speaker 1: backing away at the bloke who made the same promise
Speaker 1: that he did yesterday.
Speaker 3: The first term opposition hasn't won since nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 3: Now this is the worst government since nineteen thirty one,
Speaker 3: and Anthony Albertez is the worst Prime Minister since nineteen
Speaker 3: thirty one.
Speaker 1: Out of his depth.
Speaker 3: I think we should be very honest about that, and
Speaker 3: I think the Australian public has understood that.
Speaker 1: Now, while the current debate and much of the meaning
Speaker 1: debate is to have a conversation about medicine, Medicare, hospitals,
Speaker 1: who's going to pay for it? It doesn't take a
Speaker 1: genius to work out what is the number one issue
Speaker 1: every pole, every time we've gone out of a microphone,
Speaker 1: over and over. What is it? Roll the tape?
Speaker 4: The cost of living, living, cost of living, cost of living.
Speaker 1: The cost of living's crazy, you know if you're a
Speaker 1: regular viewer of the program. If not, well, I care
Speaker 1: a lot about the idea that three years into any government,
Speaker 1: but particularly a government that remember, made a promise. This
Speaker 1: was the Prime Minister's promise from his Twitter feed. I
Speaker 1: did not make this up. This is not some far
Speaker 1: right wing AI conspiracy, but that's the promise that the
Speaker 1: Labor government would lower the cost of living. Does anyone
Speaker 1: have the sense that things have lowered in the past
Speaker 1: three years? Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so. Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: three million people in Australia are this close to homelessness.
Speaker 1: A lot of different reasons, but it means the cost
Speaker 1: of basics. And we have shown you this is you know,
Speaker 1: we're the type of show that counts the grains of
Speaker 1: sand on the beach as opposed to people just walking by.
Speaker 1: We've shown you the stories, we showed you the Senate inquiries,
Speaker 1: We've spoken to the people from Food Bank that it
Speaker 1: is three point four million Australians who don't know where
Speaker 1: their food is going to come from each and every week.
Speaker 1: So the joint has gone backwards. Oh, global factors, well
Speaker 1: these were all the same global factors three years ago,
Speaker 1: but a promise was clearly not kept. So you can
Speaker 1: understand why the Prime Minister wants to change the subject,
Speaker 1: wants to change the subject to one that is traditionally
Speaker 1: stronger for center left governments, obviously for the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: and all the way down to holding up the props.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's no one on the internet who
Speaker 1: will start putting other things in his hand on the
Speaker 1: internet over the next little while. But you can see
Speaker 1: you that also every time we go and have a
Speaker 1: look at the polling, this was a Morgan pole. Morgan
Speaker 1: pole was the strongest pole for the Labor Party at
Speaker 1: the moment. By the way, well it shows number one issue.
Speaker 1: Fifty seven percent of people say that it is about
Speaker 1: keeping the cost of living down right, This is out
Speaker 1: of one hundred at any one time. Improving health services
Speaker 1: second best issue, then it's down to crime, then it's
Speaker 1: down to climate change. So you can see why they're
Speaker 1: trying to drag the conversation into a certain direction. Today
Speaker 1: Freshwater Pole, again the issues have look at the screens
Speaker 1: here about the issues of the order in which people
Speaker 1: care about them. You can see cost of living by
Speaker 1: a country mile on this one, though healthcare not as high,
Speaker 1: but it seems to be the strongest of the areas
Speaker 1: for the government to try to change the conversation, to
Speaker 1: try to have a multi week debate between now and
Speaker 1: then that that's what they want the election to be about,
Speaker 1: because if you hold them account to the promise they
Speaker 1: made three years ago, they're going to get the ass
Speaker 1: that's the truth of what is most likely to happen.
Speaker 1: And when we actually have a look at again some
Speaker 1: of the deeper data inside the polling that around today
Speaker 1: in that Freshwater Pole, in the Financial Review, check out
Speaker 1: the big screens or watch it at home, that when
Speaker 1: it comes to the economy, forty one percent of people
Speaker 1: back in the Libs of the moment, twenty five percent
Speaker 1: the ALP, a significant number of people undecided, but as
Speaker 1: always in that split it in fifty to fifty. Clearly
Speaker 1: the Libs get over fifty percent when it comes to
Speaker 1: the issues in and around the cost of living, a
Speaker 1: little closer, but still it lives up thirty six to
Speaker 1: twenty six, close to forty percent of people still up
Speaker 1: and about. And even then if you start to split that, well,
Speaker 1: then you might even not even start getting towards fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty in some areas. But of course health same issues,
Speaker 1: same poles, the same poles that show fifty one, forty nine,
Speaker 1: forty eight, fifty two. They show here that healthcare is
Speaker 1: an advantage, but not a massive one for the Labor Party.
Speaker 1: They are hoping if we can have a week long
Speaker 1: conversation about it, then we're all somehow distracted from the
Speaker 1: past three years and we start to go where we're
Speaker 1: going to go further to that point in the pole
Speaker 1: that I showed you last night when we were in
Speaker 1: Bateman's Bay, just up the road, and believe me, locations count,
Speaker 1: locations count, locations matter. I when we're up the road
Speaker 1: in Bateman's Bay, there was that polling which showed a
Speaker 1: giant blowout for the Labor Parties vote and starting to
Speaker 1: head towards the local too. But it shows here when
Speaker 1: it comes to economic management again, forty one percent in
Speaker 1: favor of the coalition, just twenty four percent in favor
Speaker 1: of labor. You do the same when it comes to
Speaker 1: keeping cost of living low. Significant number of people undecided
Speaker 1: still about a quarter, but the Liberals much closer to
Speaker 1: fifty percent than labor. When it comes to hospitals, I
Speaker 1: make the same point for the nine hundredth time, but
Speaker 1: it's important to drive it home. Why are we talking
Speaker 1: about hospitals because they matter? Sure, but why does the
Speaker 1: government want you to talk about hospitals Because they know
Speaker 1: if plays better for them in an election. They want
Speaker 1: the Jedi mind trick to be This is not the
Speaker 1: cost of living crisis that we promised we would fix,
Speaker 1: and they expect you to own your mind. I'm not
Speaker 1: entirely sure that's going to be the case, because every
Speaker 1: time we see a pole it tells the same story.
Speaker 1: And these polls they exist everything from the turbul Times
Speaker 1: in the Guardian through to the Australian. They pop up
Speaker 1: in the Financial Review. All the different TV stations have
Speaker 1: got their polls and they say the same thing over
Speaker 1: and over again. Now again, can poles be wrong? Yes?
Speaker 1: Are the bookies more likely to be right? Yes? But
Speaker 1: what do they say that there's going to be a
Speaker 1: change of government that's the bookies. As for the Albanize's
Speaker 1: performance and where he sits in these polls, fifty six
Speaker 1: percent of people remember when the rate cut was supposed
Speaker 1: to change everything. Fifty six percent of people say that
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's doing a poor or very poor job
Speaker 1: compared to Dunden, where he's forty percent at poor or
Speaker 1: very poor. Also, you need to see here too, a
Speaker 1: couple of other factors about what's going to play out
Speaker 1: here in Gilmore, what is going to play across the
Speaker 1: rest of the country. And that is not just team
Speaker 1: Red and Team Blue here because while we compare the pair,
Speaker 1: as they would say in the Union, Superannuation adds that
Speaker 1: the polling number show that Labour's primary vote according to
Speaker 1: the resolve is that twenty five, the fresh Water is
Speaker 1: thirty one, the Libs thirty nine or forty one, the
Speaker 1: Greens thirteen a piece. And then the biggest question of
Speaker 1: all other now other is in some poles, everything from
Speaker 1: Victorian socialists running in the Senate all the way through
Speaker 1: to Clyde Palmer and the trumpets right in between, genuine
Speaker 1: community ones, fake ones, faux Greens. All the rest of
Speaker 1: it is in there plus one nation and that's what's
Speaker 1: really interesting. Now I have a strong opinion you have
Speaker 1: free will, and that's the joy of a democracy. But
Speaker 1: it is really important what you do with your preferences,
Speaker 1: because your preferences will decide who ends up forming government,
Speaker 1: what type of government will be formed. In fact, in
Speaker 1: some poles, fascinating to watch that the result of both
Speaker 1: one Nation and the Inde vote at the last election
Speaker 1: was five percent at the election coming up. And you
Speaker 1: don't seem to see this in the rest of the media,
Speaker 1: but the latest resolved ball published in the Age newspaper. Okay,
Speaker 1: not a right wing think tak one nation and the
Speaker 1: independence level at nine percent. Now, put simply, if you're
Speaker 1: somebody who would like to seen blue victory, you need
Speaker 1: the vast majority of those one nation preferences to make
Speaker 1: their way back towards Liberal party. If you're somebody who
Speaker 1: would like to get a different result, well then obviously
Speaker 1: you want their votes to be lower or in terms
Speaker 1: of those independent preferences where they go. That's why it's
Speaker 1: fascinating to be here. This is a place decided by
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy three votes. We currently before an
Speaker 1: election is called, have got a couple of candidates that
Speaker 1: are going to be here, a couple of candidates that
Speaker 1: haven't turned up, but who knows whether it's a Melbourne
Speaker 1: cup field. Once formally the starter's gun is fired and
Speaker 1: then everyone starts to rush. Follow what they say when
Speaker 1: it comes to preferences, because it gives you an indication
Speaker 1: about old intimately what they think is the lesser of
Speaker 1: two evils, or the thing that perhaps in some cases
Speaker 1: might be what they're actually trying to achieve. Now, I
Speaker 1: want to turn our attention to weather and weather, particularly
Speaker 1: outside of politics in Queensland. Now, as we know, Queensland
Speaker 1: got bashed around by the floods over the past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. We spoke to plenty of people in im
Speaker 1: We know the problems that they've had. When it comes
Speaker 1: to insurance, Well, there's a cyclone which is on its way.
Speaker 1: The cyclone is Cyclone Alfred and he's the latest from
Speaker 1: sky and is weather about another example of Australia getting
Speaker 1: bashed about because of weather.
Speaker 5: What we're seeing as we head into our Tuesday is
Speaker 5: the system set to strengthen it to a major cyclone
Speaker 5: Cat three status, so strengthening as it continues to push
Speaker 5: to the south for the next twenty four hours and
Speaker 5: looking to increase wind as well as the shower activity
Speaker 5: across Parne with Queensland.
Speaker 1: Now, the official name for this cyclone is Cyclone Alfred,
Speaker 1: but forgive me if I'm going to call it by
Speaker 1: its actual name, which is Cyclone Albow. You see, this
Speaker 1: was a story that came out last week that the
Speaker 1: last cyclone had a Z in front of it, which
Speaker 1: was Zelda or something. So you're supposed to then just
Speaker 1: start the alphabet again, and you know, the computer says no.
Speaker 1: Machine said that this was supposed to be Cyclone Anthony,
Speaker 1: but because they wanted to avoid confusion with the Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: they changed the name. So when this gets serious, when
Speaker 1: this hits landfall, when this cause trouble, or call it
Speaker 1: by its real name till then it's Cyclone Alba that
Speaker 1: is currently making its way towards Queensland. And this, of
Speaker 1: course is our Nightly reminded that the Prime Minister is
Speaker 1: a wordsmith, right up there with the best Australia has
Speaker 1: ever produced.
Speaker 2: Roses are red violets of blue. It's Valentine's Day and
Speaker 2: we loved Luke Cola.
Speaker 1: Working brilliant, just brilliant like more Place, more in the Okay,
Speaker 1: or other things that happening around the world that, of
Speaker 1: course you need to know. Pope francis still in a
Speaker 1: critical condition. The fears about what seems to be the
Speaker 1: inevitable have also been underlined by the fact that cardinals
Speaker 1: have been called back to Rome. They would of course
Speaker 1: meet in a conclave to choose a new pope upon
Speaker 1: the death of this one. We've got reporters crews there
Speaker 1: in and around the hospitals in Rome and we will
Speaker 1: follow all of it along with our colleague in colleagues
Speaker 1: in the UK. I also want to take a moment
Speaker 1: out from politics to say strength and love to my mate,
Speaker 1: my mate Ray Hadley, who you have seen on the telly,
Speaker 1: you've heard on the radio. Well, he may will have
Speaker 1: heard in the past couple of days about his beautiful
Speaker 1: granddaughter and his granddaughter receiving a significant health diagnosis in
Speaker 1: and around cancer. That is terrible for anyone. When it's
Speaker 1: somebody that we know, we are able to share the
Speaker 1: journey with them. So strength and love to Ray, his
Speaker 1: daughter and his granddaughter. Here is what Ray told Daily Telegraph.
Speaker 6: Just a couple I've asked my daughter and son Laura,
Speaker 6: if I can reveal this and they've given me permission.
Speaker 7: January sixth, my three year old granddaughter Lola was.
Speaker 8: Diagnosed with lakemia and that was like a bolt out
Speaker 8: of the blue.
Speaker 7: My daughter and son in law.
Speaker 3: They have three children, a six year old Lola and
Speaker 3: a little one year old Remy.
Speaker 6: So their life is in absolute disarray.
Speaker 1: Can we give a round of applause as a shop
Speaker 1: strength and love to Lola, Lauren Ray, all of us,
Speaker 1: to Willith family, You love your Verma. All right, who's
Speaker 1: up for a little bit of Donald Trump news? Who
Speaker 1: wants some Trump news tonight?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 1: I thought it might be a slightly trumpy crowd. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to this. So have you heard of a
Speaker 1: bloke called Dan bon Gino? All right, it's Dan bon
Speaker 1: Geno podcast, a former Fox host but also Secret Service.
Speaker 1: He has been nominated and this will send the heads cracking.
Speaker 1: He has said he's actually been nominated now to be
Speaker 1: the deputy head of the FBI. So if you know
Speaker 1: about their bloke, it's going to be quite a hammer.
Speaker 1: James Carvill. Now I grew up as somebody who loved
Speaker 1: James Carvill. You know it's the economy, stupid absolute Svengali
Speaker 1: of the Clinton administration, which was thirty years ago. But
Speaker 1: this was the bloke who spoke with certainty that Kamala
Speaker 1: was going to win. In fact, he said there were
Speaker 1: three very key reasons, none of them turned out to
Speaker 1: be true. Then he turned around and said that she
Speaker 1: was a second seventh string quarterback, she was never up
Speaker 1: to it, but she was guaranteed to win. Well, now
Speaker 1: he's decided to play a new game, which is that
Speaker 1: the Trump administration will apparently collapse in the next thirty days.
Speaker 1: So the guy who said she'd win then she was
Speaker 1: garbage now says it's all going to fall apart. Why
Speaker 1: roll the tape? This is what I believe.
Speaker 6: I believe that this administration in less than thirty days,
Speaker 6: in the midst of a massive collapse, and particularly a
Speaker 6: collap apps.
Speaker 1: In public opinion. But the best news for those of
Speaker 1: us a little too obsessed with American politics is this
Speaker 1: Lady Joy and Reid, hardcore lefty portal on crisis, has
Speaker 1: had plenty to say about MAGA its supporters anywhere around
Speaker 1: the world. Well, guess what, she's been sacked by MSNBC.
Speaker 1: Her show is about this a PI and you don't
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about. This is who I'm talking.
Speaker 9: Fine, kof of course is Adolf Hitler's fascist manifesto. And frankly,
Speaker 9: it doesn't matter if Trump didn't read it. Come on,
Speaker 9: as this man ever read anything. Similarities to what happened
Speaker 9: in Germany and what's happening now in America are just undeniable.
Speaker 9: One side stands for freedom, while the other meets the
Speaker 9: textbook definition of fascism, namely a far right dictatorial regime
Speaker 9: like Hitler's Germany or Franco's Spain or Mussolini's Italy.
Speaker 1: She's gone and we are here to discuss all things Gilmore.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this great part of Australia and its
Speaker 1: political future. Tom Connell, the man who knows all the numbers,
Speaker 1: knows all of the issues. He has a look at
Speaker 1: the Titus seat in the country and then the questions
Speaker 1: from its voters to two of its key candidates.
Speaker 10: The seat of Gilmour on the New South Wales South
Speaker 10: Coast was a cliffhanger in twenty twenty two. It was
Speaker 10: won by Labour's Fiona Phillips after many days of counting
Speaker 10: by just zero point one seven percent or three hundred
Speaker 10: and seventy three votes. Andrew Constance. He's back, having another
Speaker 10: crack with the Liberal Party. The Greens are running again
Speaker 10: and the new candidate independent Kate Desinal. She's running with
Speaker 10: financial backing from Climate two hundred. She's not seen as
Speaker 10: a realistic chance of winning, but she could affect the contest.
Speaker 10: That's if she takes primary vote away from Andrew Constance.
Speaker 10: He will likely need to poll above forty percent to
Speaker 10: be a chance of winning. Labour's worry will be well
Speaker 10: the Greens vote dip. They relied heavily on preferences from
Speaker 10: the Greens last time around. This has been a hotly
Speaker 10: contested seat since twenty thirteen, the biggest margin in four
Speaker 10: elections since then, as you can see, just two point
Speaker 10: six percent, and it is seen as they must when
Speaker 10: the Liberal Party this time around if they are going
Speaker 10: to form government, because failing to break through in Labour's
Speaker 10: second most marginal seat in the country, well that would
Speaker 10: mean very few gains. And remember they start a long
Speaker 10: way behind, twenty two seats behind labor So what individual
Speaker 10: factors could change this seat. It's a bit of a
Speaker 10: mixed bag on the mortgage front. Fewer people in the
Speaker 10: seat of Gilmore have a mortgage that's compared to the
Speaker 10: Australian average slightly more though we're in mortgage stress when
Speaker 10: this figure was taken, and crucially that was before all
Speaker 10: thirteen interst rate rises. So in other words, this figure
Speaker 10: is going to be a lot higher than that incomes
Speaker 10: as well, and lower than the national average. This is
Speaker 10: an area with plenty of retirees, so if you think
Speaker 10: of those retirees and lower income earners and mortgage stress,
Speaker 10: cost of living here is biting and will be a
Speaker 10: huge part of the campaign.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much, Tom Connall, and thank
Speaker 1: you for the awkward moment of suggesting Kate doesn't have
Speaker 1: a chance to win. Of course you've got a chance
Speaker 1: to win. It's going to be on the ballot paper. Kate, Desanna,
Speaker 1: who's here? And Andrew Constance is here. Please give him
Speaker 1: a round of applause. All right, Truss is the coin
Speaker 1: in my head? Andrew and Kate, I just want to
Speaker 1: ask you one question before we get into all of
Speaker 1: the locals with their questions, just simply who are you?
Speaker 1: Not why are you're running? Not the stump speech, but
Speaker 1: just who are you? Andrew Well grew.
Speaker 4: Up in the region, you know. I'm the eldest sibling
Speaker 4: of four. Was a school teacher.
Speaker 7: Dad was a local solicitor in Canberra. Come from a
Speaker 7: farming family in the Minara.
Speaker 4: And I've been a state member for almost twenty years
Speaker 4: in our region, representing communities from Alla Dallah, Maria and
Speaker 4: Batman Spay.
Speaker 1: Okay, good stuff, Kate. Who are you? And how did
Speaker 1: I get your name wrong? Probably Kate Desanno.
Speaker 8: There we go, ame and I am the community independent
Speaker 8: for the seat of Gilmour at the upcoming election. I'm
Speaker 8: a small business person. I own a network of co
Speaker 8: working spaces. I'm a mother of three teenage children.
Speaker 11: I'm a trade wife.
Speaker 8: I'm somebody who has worked long and hard supporting community
Speaker 8: organizations to be able to collaborate with each other, to
Speaker 8: be strong and to be able to endure the challenges
Speaker 8: of the last few years. And yeah, I'm really looking
Speaker 8: forward to being able to do politics a bit differently
Speaker 8: in the local area.
Speaker 1: Good stuff random applies again the people that are here.
Speaker 1: How I should point out Fianna Phillips is the local MP.
Speaker 1: She is labor and chose not to be here. I
Speaker 1: know she's in the electorate other events tonight, but no,
Speaker 1: she is not in the room. She was given the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be here along with the Greens as well.
Speaker 1: There's no others I know declared candidates. So if anyone
Speaker 1: wants to write an angry letter, send it to somebody else,
Speaker 1: because we've done our best that we can to get
Speaker 1: as many people here. All right, Veronica, I think is
Speaker 1: our first question, Veronica, what would you like to ask
Speaker 1: the two people who'd liked to be your next federal MP.
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask them, why do you think you
Speaker 1: deserve our vote? Okay, let's go first with you.
Speaker 8: I really think that I deserve to be able to
Speaker 8: give the people of Gilmore a chance to be able
Speaker 8: to have local voices shape local solutions. I think that
Speaker 8: one of the biggest challenges that our broken party political
Speaker 8: system faces at the moment is that our politics has
Speaker 8: been captured by short term thinking, by sugar hits that
Speaker 8: the Australian people see through, and by the interests of
Speaker 8: big business. And for the people that I speak to,
Speaker 8: they really have a yearning for long term thinking again,
Speaker 8: for people whose convictions and their moral compass guide the
Speaker 8: decisions that they make and people who are available and
Speaker 8: here to be able to listen to the people of
Speaker 8: gilmore So, Ronica.
Speaker 11: For that reason, I would love to be able to
Speaker 11: have a chance.
Speaker 1: Andrew.
Speaker 7: Thanks Veronica.
Speaker 4: I couldn't be more proud than to be standing in
Speaker 4: this club of all places after what happened to us
Speaker 4: five years ago, all of us. What I saw then
Speaker 4: was a community spirit, a passion, an empathy and strength
Speaker 4: in our people and in our region. And I care
Speaker 4: about that, and I will fight for that. And I
Speaker 4: know right now our nation and our region is in
Speaker 4: the wrong place, and we've got to get it back
Speaker 4: on track. I will fight to ensure that we do
Speaker 4: address cost of living. I'll fight to ensure we do
Speaker 4: get the road upgrades, and I'll fight to get rid
Speaker 4: of the worst prime minister and worst government this country
Speaker 4: has ever had.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Veronica, Thank you Andrew, Thank you Kate. Well.
Speaker 1: The joy of being on this type of Telly is
Speaker 1: I've got to take a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 1: a moment or two. Time. Plenty more questions all night
Speaker 1: here on Paul Murray Life. Thanks for watching. Welcome back
Speaker 1: here to the pub test, the first one we're doing
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. It's in the scene of Gilmour.
Speaker 1: Fiona Phillips is the existing Labor MP showny won the
Speaker 1: last election by three hundred and seventy three votes WI
Speaker 1: She is not in the room tonight. The two people
Speaker 1: who are, though, is Kate Dezano, who is the community
Speaker 1: independent and representing the Liberal Party is Andrew Constance. The
Speaker 1: purpose of these things is, yes, I am very opinionated,
Speaker 1: but I have no say in what people get to ask.
Speaker 1: And I want to give the opportunity for local candidates
Speaker 1: to appear on national television. I want them to be
Speaker 1: able to have the type of exposure that they would
Speaker 1: get once they became, say a federal MP. And god forbid,
Speaker 1: we know what they're like before we elect them, rather
Speaker 1: than working out what happens after. So that's the whole
Speaker 1: point and purpose of what we're doing right now. But Rosalind,
Speaker 1: you have a question for our candidates, what would you
Speaker 1: like to ask?
Speaker 8: I would like to ask you both, if you are
Speaker 8: fortunate enough to be elected, what will you do for us?
Speaker 11: Read the cost of living?
Speaker 1: Andrew, I'll start with you.
Speaker 7: Thanks for Roslyn.
Speaker 4: Over the last couple of years, every single person in
Speaker 4: Australia has become nine percent poorer, but in regional areas
Speaker 4: it's worse.
Speaker 7: It's far worse. And I've been door knocking businesses.
Speaker 4: I've had people break down in tears, and I've drawknocked
Speaker 4: homes and I've seen people just with their household budgets
Speaker 4: in absolute despair. We know you have to manage the
Speaker 4: economy to fix cost of living. We also know crazy
Speaker 4: expenditure out of Canberra means that the Reserve Bank of
Speaker 4: Australia will continue to put the pressure on mortgage holders
Speaker 4: in order to deal with inflation. We can't waste any
Speaker 4: more money as a country and have everybody under enormous pressure.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's been absolutely shocking. So you do need
Speaker 4: to manage the national finance as well. You do need
Speaker 4: to ensure that those finite resources go into valuable things
Speaker 4: like creating jobs with public infrastructure in our region, which
Speaker 4: is why I want to see stimulus with things like
Speaker 4: the Prince's Highway and local roads to get how local
Speaker 4: economy going again. And as part of this, we can't
Speaker 4: be heading out thirteen billion dollars to billionaires in the
Speaker 4: green hydrogen space or the critical mineral space. We can't
Speaker 4: be wasting four hundred and fifty million dollars dividing our
Speaker 4: country around issues like the Voice and think that this
Speaker 4: is a good place for our country to be. We
Speaker 4: need to manage the finances, manage the money and then
Speaker 4: start to get our household budgets and our small business
Speaker 4: budgets back on track.
Speaker 1: Okay, cost of living, how do you handle it?
Speaker 8: Certainly the number one thing that every time I have
Speaker 8: a conversation with community members, doesn't matter whether we're talking
Speaker 8: about young people or whether we're talking about elder Australians,
Speaker 8: the stresses on family budget. So the thing that is
Speaker 8: absolutely top of mind and seeing the kind of stress
Speaker 8: and distress in hard working people who are just trying
Speaker 8: to keep roofs over their head, feed the kids and
Speaker 8: be able to, you know, to imagine a better and
Speaker 8: brighter future.
Speaker 11: It's pretty tough. So I definitely hear that and I
Speaker 11: absolutely empathize.
Speaker 8: The biggest bucket out of cost of living pressures is
Speaker 8: certainly housing. And that's the conversation that I think is
Speaker 8: a country we really need to be having. As a
Speaker 8: parent of three teenagers, I really want them to be
Speaker 8: able to aspire, to be able to live a life
Speaker 8: that is equal.
Speaker 11: Or better than their parents and grandparents.
Speaker 8: And this is the very first generation that are really
Speaker 8: looking down the barrel of struggling with that. When we
Speaker 8: look at the pressures on housing. Yes, we need mortgagees
Speaker 8: to come down, we need inflation to be under control,
Speaker 8: and we need for that incredible experience that we have
Speaker 8: had over the last political cycle of all of those
Speaker 8: interest rate cycles to be able to be tempered and
Speaker 8: to start come down. But we really need to be
Speaker 8: looking at housing supply and housing affordability to be able
Speaker 8: to actually tackle the number one pressure that most families
Speaker 8: are facing. And the honest conversation is that two thirds
Speaker 8: of our population, either the people who are mortgage holders
Speaker 8: or who've paid off their home, they don't want to
Speaker 8: see housing increase to the point where they are worried
Speaker 8: about the value of their principal investment that they have
Speaker 8: worked so hard to be able to afford. And so
Speaker 8: we really need to be having much more creative conversations
Speaker 8: about how we increase housing supply without risking the value
Speaker 8: of people's principal assets. And I just don't hear those
Speaker 8: conversations happening from either side of politics. Who are really
Speaker 8: talking about very small fixes for what is a really
Speaker 8: fundamental problem. It's taken a couple of cycles. So I
Speaker 8: think we need to be looking at affordable housing. I
Speaker 8: think we need to be looking in more innovative things
Speaker 8: around modular homes, around granny flats, around tiny homes, around
Speaker 8: build to rent, around land lease schemes.
Speaker 11: There are so many ways.
Speaker 8: In which we can increase supply without having this risk
Speaker 8: to the broader economy.
Speaker 11: And I just don't hear that conversation happening in politics
Speaker 11: at the moment. That's where I'd be spending a lot
Speaker 11: of my time and energies early on.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, rosalind A host prerogative. As a
Speaker 1: follow up, if it came down to a scenario minority
Speaker 1: government and as an independent, you'd be in a position
Speaker 1: to help things happen or to knock things off. Where
Speaker 1: are you on say things like negative gearing, all of
Speaker 1: the taxation stuff that certainly people like the Greens overtly
Speaker 1: would like to would like to see removed. How would
Speaker 1: you vote on that in a federal partment.
Speaker 8: I think that for both of our major parties to
Speaker 8: have taken off the table tax reform, for a couple
Speaker 8: of cycles now is absolute madness. So as a community
Speaker 8: independent you have got the opportunity to look at every
Speaker 8: bill on its merit, to listen to the people of
Speaker 8: Gilmour and to be able to reflect their interests and concerns.
Speaker 8: So when you are looking at issues around the impact
Speaker 8: of neguty gearing on the housing as a small business person,
Speaker 8: I have to tell you there is no other tax
Speaker 8: system that allows.
Speaker 11: You to run at a loss and be rewarded for it.
Speaker 8: I've got absolutely no problem with mum and dad investors
Speaker 8: and the role that they play in our housing, but
Speaker 8: that needs to be limited to one or two homes.
Speaker 8: It doesn't need to be on your fifth year, sixth
Speaker 8: or your seventh. Just ask all the politicians who are
Speaker 8: sitting on very tidy yeah, on very tidy property portfolios.
Speaker 8: We need to start unraveling some of that and bring
Speaker 8: back the fairness and the incentive into our housing system
Speaker 8: for young people.
Speaker 1: Okay, as I said, there'll be the occasional moment role jumping,
Speaker 1: but it's not about me. It's about people like Johanna,
Speaker 1: who'd like to ask you a question of everyone here.
Speaker 1: The key people running are the labor in peace not here,
Speaker 1: or get to that in a second. But what's your question?
Speaker 8: Do you support wind farms in our oceans and will
Speaker 8: your opinion reflect in your preferences?
Speaker 1: Good question, all right, we'll start with you, Andrew.
Speaker 4: I'm dead set against balance fantasy off our coastline this
Speaker 4: and I'm also sick of climate activists who have scant
Speaker 4: regard for people's household bills with these types of renewable programs.
Speaker 4: We've just had a question on the cost of living.
Speaker 4: I mean, power bills in our region have gone up
Speaker 4: by more than a thousand dollars. We were promised two
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy five dollars reduction. What's causing it? Ridiculous proposals. Now,
Speaker 4: the energy mix should be renewables, gas, emissions free, twenty
Speaker 4: four to seven base load nuclear. But we should not
Speaker 4: be putting in our ocean structures which bober around with
Speaker 4: chains off them on concrete at the bottom of the
Speaker 4: ocean floor the height of Center Point Tower. I might
Speaker 4: add two hundred of them. And no one's even invented
Speaker 4: a floating substation yet. But this is supposed to be
Speaker 4: in by twenty thirty. I mean, give us a break.
Speaker 4: It'll destroy and harm our environment, but it will also
Speaker 4: continue to put enormous pressure on household bills.
Speaker 8: Okay, I definitely don't want to take anything off the table.
Speaker 8: When we are looking about having to transition our enemy
Speaker 8: energy system to a net zero by twenty fifty, which
Speaker 8: is shared by both things. We need to be looking
Speaker 8: at policies and at proposals which survive the feasibility tests.
Speaker 8: So they are economic, they are environmental feasibility, and they
Speaker 8: are community return, and they are that they.
Speaker 11: Deliver community return.
Speaker 8: At the moment, offshore wind there is no proposal on
Speaker 8: the table.
Speaker 11: There is nothing that is stacked up.
Speaker 8: If we look similarly at proposals for nuclear energy, we
Speaker 8: are talking.
Speaker 11: About fifteen twenty years down the timeline.
Speaker 8: We are talking about billions of dollars of public money. Again,
Speaker 8: it does not stack up from the feasibility point of view.
Speaker 8: And so as a community independent we look at things
Speaker 8: that are evidence based. We think, look at things that
Speaker 8: have got community license, we think, look at things that
Speaker 8: are actually feasible, and so far offshore wind hasn't.
Speaker 11: Meant feasibility in this region. But it's certainly not something
Speaker 11: that I would be arrogant enough to take off the table, You've.
Speaker 4: Got to look at what works or can I just
Speaker 4: say and add to this, Bowen's one hundred percent renewables
Speaker 4: plan cost two hundred and sixty billion dollars more than
Speaker 4: the proposal to have nuclear energy in the mix, and
Speaker 4: that is produced by Frontier Economics that were commissioned to
Speaker 4: do it were the.
Speaker 1: Same people who did two seventy five before the last elections.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the point out of this is that you know, ultimately,
Speaker 4: if you compare an energy mix with gas with renewables
Speaker 4: in nuclear verse one hundred percent renewables, which is intermittent
Speaker 4: and doesn't potentially work, people what affordable, secure and clean energy.
Speaker 1: The second part of Joanna's question was about preferences and
Speaker 1: about whether a position on wind farms coming here in
Speaker 1: the next three years or the process starting in the
Speaker 1: next three years, whether that would effect who goes where.
Speaker 1: Andrew again, I'll start with you, and I'll get Kate's
Speaker 1: response to that question, because it's what was asked well traditionally.
Speaker 4: Groins labor last, absolutely and after what we've seen through
Speaker 4: local government in particular in our region through the Greens
Speaker 4: and making sure I mean I lost the last election,
Speaker 4: I beat the labor incumbent by six eight hundred on primary,
Speaker 4: and I lost on preferences largely because of the Greens,
Speaker 4: by three hundred and seventy three votes.
Speaker 7: That's not fair for our community.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Kate, about how you make decisions about
Speaker 1: who goes were? Is wind Farms part of that? No?
Speaker 8: No, I'm a community independent and I'm part of a
Speaker 8: grassroots movement across the country of people who are looking
Speaker 8: for an opportunity to do politics differently. I'm yellow, I'm
Speaker 8: not Green, and I've never had any affiliation with any
Speaker 8: of the political parties because I don't see myself in
Speaker 8: any of them when we're talking.
Speaker 1: Ok okay, all right, I appreciate a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and I understand we're in a forum, and I understand
Speaker 1: I like rough and tumble. But part of the promise
Speaker 1: I make to people is that they're going to respond
Speaker 1: to the questions that are asked, not the ones that
Speaker 1: are yelled. So now I understand. So I will gladly
Speaker 1: follow up about the specificity on the issue of preferences.
Speaker 1: Have you made your decision about who goes where on
Speaker 1: an eventual ticket? You know that labors in you know
Speaker 1: that Green's in, you know that liberals are in. We
Speaker 1: don't know who else comes in. But have you decided
Speaker 1: which way your preferences go?
Speaker 8: Preferences are decided by people when they are standing in
Speaker 8: the ballot box and they're making a decision about their
Speaker 8: own vote.
Speaker 11: There is no candidate that can.
Speaker 8: Tell you won't av The how to vote information and
Speaker 8: education for people allows them to be able to see
Speaker 8: what a flow of preferences to the left or a
Speaker 8: flow of preferences to the right is.
Speaker 11: I don't give two options. I think that the idea of.
Speaker 8: Community independence in regional areas, allowing the people to decide
Speaker 8: where their preferences go, is very, very appealing to me.
Speaker 8: I'm not a professional politician, and the universe of preference
Speaker 8: and flows is pretty new to me. But I have
Speaker 8: to tell you, I'm really taken by the approach that
Speaker 8: many of the community independence take, which is to allow
Speaker 8: people to decide where their preferences go. When you are
Speaker 8: standing in the ballot box, it is your decision about
Speaker 8: where your preference goes. It certainly is nothing that a
Speaker 8: piece of advertising from a political candidate can overrule once
Speaker 8: you are standing in the ballot box.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you guys. Give me a round of applause.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this chat thus far. Plenty of questions about
Speaker 1: local issues like hospitals good also national stuff more on
Speaker 1: a sec here as part of the Paul Murray live
Speaker 1: pub test here on Sky News. Thanks for watching. We're
Speaker 1: a club Malaula. This is a beautiful part of Australia,
Speaker 1: just a little further south down than Bateman's Bay. And
Speaker 1: I continue what I'm going to say it again, Raiment's
Speaker 1: across the road when it comes to Chinese just whatever, sizzling,
Speaker 1: order two of it for me. They have spectacular stuff,
Speaker 1: but as does this club. And move very please to
Speaker 1: be coming from here tonight. The man who is three
Speaker 1: times taller than I am right now has got a
Speaker 1: question for our two candidates, of course, Kate Dezano, who's
Speaker 1: the community Independent Andrew Constance is with the Liberal Party. Paul,
Speaker 1: what is your question for the candidates? Thank you, Paul,
Speaker 1: and welcome to our beautiful town. Man, God love you.
Speaker 1: If you are elected, would you display our Australian flag
Speaker 1: proudly in your office or shelf front o Kate, I'll
Speaker 1: start with you.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, Oh, this country is absolutely one of the most
Speaker 8: extraordinary places that you could possibly be privileged enough to
Speaker 8: be born, grow up, raise a family in There is
Speaker 8: absolutely nothing but pride about the fact that.
Speaker 4: I'm in Australian Andrew in my campaign office in now
Speaker 4: right now, Australian flags flag.
Speaker 7: We have one national flag. We have one national flag,
Speaker 7: and I'm.
Speaker 4: Very proud that my leader has indicated that he will
Speaker 4: only stand in front of the Australian flag as.
Speaker 1: A fil Okay, all right now, just thank you very much,
Speaker 1: I again, host privilege. I have a question I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask, and it's about the person who's not here.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the fact that the current MP.
Speaker 1: Now maybe not like me, it's fine, but these are
Speaker 1: people that are going to be voting, and there are
Speaker 1: thousands of people that will be watching. We're on free
Speaker 1: to wear in this part of Australia. She's made the
Speaker 1: choice not to be here. I think she misses an opportunity.
Speaker 1: But Kate, what do you think of the MP not
Speaker 1: being willing to debate on television? No one else is
Speaker 1: going to turn up us to debate you guys about
Speaker 1: who should be representing the seat.
Speaker 8: Look, I think coming tonight and having the opportunity to
Speaker 8: be able to connect with people, and it connects with
Speaker 8: people over all sorts of different lines within our community
Speaker 8: is like an opportunity and apprivilege. She would be mad
Speaker 8: not to say yes to it. Democracy is an incredible thing.
Speaker 8: It allows people like me to be able to stand up,
Speaker 8: have a go. And I really think that the contest
Speaker 8: of ideas is what makes the whole system vibrant. And
Speaker 8: I think it would have been fantastic if all of
Speaker 8: the choices for the set of Gilmore were represented.
Speaker 1: Here this evening, Andrew, I think might have a slightly
Speaker 1: sharper response.
Speaker 7: The elections about the community.
Speaker 4: You've got to front up to tell the community your plans,
Speaker 4: my plans about cost of living, the highway, making sure
Speaker 4: that batness by Emergency Department stays open and and quite frankly,
Speaker 4: I don't care what Fiona Phillips does.
Speaker 7: It's up to her.
Speaker 4: But clearly Head Office were involved, That's all I would say.
Speaker 1: All right, So you you mentioned the emergency Department, you
Speaker 1: mentioned the issues that are there at the moment, and
Speaker 1: there's state government decisions that have been made over a
Speaker 1: series of governments, including the one of which you were
Speaker 1: part of to close that facility. I have been stopped
Speaker 1: in the street by people that are desperately passionate, part
Speaker 1: of organized groups, but also not part of organized groups,
Speaker 1: who have spoken about this decision. It's good for you
Speaker 1: to stand tonight and say I'll fight, but weren't you
Speaker 1: in a cabinet that made the exact opposite decision.
Speaker 4: Now as part of a cabinet which decided on a
Speaker 4: level for regional hospital with an intensive care unit. And
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, we got it wrong. Health
Speaker 4: planning got it wrong six years ago, and I was
Speaker 4: sorry about that. And then we went into COVID and
Speaker 4: we did clinical service planning, and the consultation with Batman's
Speaker 4: Bay absolutely was lousy. But there is a way forward
Speaker 4: where you can have the best of both worlds. You
Speaker 4: can have the level for hospital and keep that small
Speaker 4: emergency department open without the rest of the hospital, not
Speaker 4: as proposed by the lady who's not here, who wants
Speaker 4: to just replace it with a bog billing clinic, but
Speaker 4: actually have it there to save lives. I can tell
Speaker 4: you from a personal experience, but that hospital saves lives,
Speaker 4: and that ed given all the growth we've seen in
Speaker 4: Batan's Bay the last six years has changed the goalpost.
Speaker 4: So governments get it wrong, and I was part of
Speaker 4: the government. We've got a lot more right than it
Speaker 4: got wrong. But ultimately now there's an opportunity to keep
Speaker 4: the ed there with a small flow over a set
Speaker 4: and beds. And the other thing that did happen is
Speaker 4: it labor reduced under the clinical service plan for the
Speaker 4: new regional hospital, the emergency department beds from seventeen down
Speaker 4: to twelve, which has shifted the goalposts into why Batan's
Speaker 4: Bayed should remain.
Speaker 1: Your response, you know how passionate some people are there.
Speaker 1: I balling you as we speak. Your thoughts about that
Speaker 1: emergency department? Would you fight for it or would you
Speaker 1: allow the service to close?
Speaker 8: I think any community in a regional area needs to
Speaker 8: know that they have accessible to them the sort of
Speaker 8: standards of healthcare and the sort of availability in their
Speaker 8: time of need that people within the cities have. I
Speaker 8: think the lack of health equity when we're dealing with
Speaker 8: regional areas and growing populations is a symptom of the
Speaker 8: fact that our infrastructure just does not keep up with
Speaker 8: changes in population and changes in needs and The reason
Speaker 8: for that is really short term thinking from generations of
Speaker 8: governments who are really addicted to three our fixes and
Speaker 8: to short term sugar hits on things. It really is
Speaker 8: unacceptable for people not to be able to access an
Speaker 8: emergency room in their time of need. As a parent,
Speaker 8: even in now a hospital, when my children have had
Speaker 8: to go there for emergencies, you have to as soon
Speaker 8: as there's something wrong with your kid. You have to
Speaker 8: go to Sydney for surgery. You have to go to
Speaker 8: Canberra for surgery. These are absolutely life and death moments,
Speaker 8: and I think all of us live with the kind
Speaker 8: of simmering anxiety of things going wrong and having the
Speaker 8: sort of health services that.
Speaker 11: We need be unavailable in our time of need.
Speaker 8: And it's not just emergencies. It's about a lack of radiography.
Speaker 8: It's about the fact that you can't have your baby
Speaker 8: in the local area. Imagine being waiting to give birth
Speaker 8: and thinking that you need to either be.
Speaker 11: Hanging out for weeks at a time.
Speaker 8: Hours away from your jobs and your family and your
Speaker 8: support units.
Speaker 11: So on a number of different fronts. The endless bucketing
Speaker 11: of money.
Speaker 8: Into GPS only works if you've got the workforce in
Speaker 8: the region. It only works if that workforce in the
Speaker 8: region you can have the housing that they need to
Speaker 8: be able to locate it where the population is. So
Speaker 8: on so many layers. We have got buck passing between
Speaker 8: layers of government, and we've got really short term thinking.
Speaker 8: We need our infrastructure to keep up with our population changes.
Speaker 1: So forgive you. But is it yes or no about
Speaker 1: that particular form?
Speaker 11: Absolutely, absolutely, yes.
Speaker 1: Very clear, yes, okay, thank you. All right, Patricia, You've
Speaker 1: got a question also for these lovely people. What do
Speaker 1: you want to ask?
Speaker 11: Thank you?
Speaker 8: What is your view on the membership to the WHO
Speaker 8: and participation with the Paris Climate.
Speaker 1: Accord so WORLDHATH Organization, Paris Climate Accord all in connection
Speaker 1: with the UN. Kate, I'll start with you first.
Speaker 8: I'm absolutely in favor of a world system where governments
Speaker 8: work together to solve systemic problems that affect populations across
Speaker 8: our various continents. So if you are talking about an
Speaker 8: isolationist of future where we try and go it alone
Speaker 8: on all of the big picture issues that affect us
Speaker 8: as a as a society internationally, then I I'm sorry.
Speaker 11: It's not me.
Speaker 8: I really think we need to be able to collaborate.
Speaker 8: The issues and the threats that we're facing are global
Speaker 8: and we need to be able to collaborate globally.
Speaker 4: Andrew Well, first of all, I think if COVID taught
Speaker 4: us anything, we need to protect our own sovereignty. And
Speaker 4: as part of that, I mean the fact that we
Speaker 4: were importing medications and vaccines and masks from China and
Speaker 4: everything else that goes with it. We've got to be
Speaker 4: able to stand on our own two feet.
Speaker 7: In that sense.
Speaker 4: Secondly, so secondly, I mean it's part of that. Yes,
Speaker 4: I mean in terms of our international obligations, they're one thing,
Speaker 4: but don't sell us out as you do it. Twenty
Speaker 4: thirty five Paris Agreement target off the table by the
Speaker 4: Liberal Party, and with good reason because the idea of
Speaker 4: Matt Keane setting that target and advising Chris Bowen seriously then.
Speaker 7: Well he's probably watching.
Speaker 4: But look, bottom line is we can't afford to run
Speaker 4: the country to the absolutely into the drain.
Speaker 7: We've got enormous.
Speaker 4: Challenges with our costs and that's why it's very important
Speaker 4: that we start to look after Australia first and foremost.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the question against privileged year. The issue
Speaker 1: of climate change, the environment targets. Kate, do you think
Speaker 1: that there are other community independents that have said that
Speaker 1: the target for twenty thirty five needs to be closer
Speaker 1: to seventy percent rather than say the forty three percent. Now,
Speaker 1: do you stand by a goal of twenty thirty five?
Speaker 1: Are you okay with twenty thirty and then to twenty fifty?
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on twenty thirty five and what that
Speaker 1: number should be.
Speaker 8: All I know is that there needs to be a
Speaker 8: twenty thirty number and a twenty thirty five number if
Speaker 8: you are genuine about getting to net zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 8: So all I can see at the moment is another
Speaker 8: generation of backflips, delay and confusion.
Speaker 11: And for the third of this electorate that.
Speaker 8: Have already put solar panels on their roofs, for the
Speaker 8: small businesses that are already locally installing maintaining solar infrastructure
Speaker 8: on people's houses, and for the community organizations that are
Speaker 8: saving bills with community solar and with local batteries.
Speaker 11: I think that we really need to be faired income.
Speaker 8: With people about the fact that if you are thinking
Speaker 8: that you're going to get to twenty fifty, you need
Speaker 8: to make a start on that and you need to
Speaker 8: be serious about it. Another backflip on energy policy is
Speaker 8: not what this country needs. We have already in this
Speaker 8: region got to nearly fifty percent renewaballs. So this is underway,
Speaker 8: this energy transition. The benefits to people's back pockets are
Speaker 8: on the way. And the last thing that the third
Speaker 8: of this electorate that have got solar panels on their
Speaker 8: roof want to hear from the government is that the
Speaker 8: investment that they made in their home, their future.
Speaker 11: And their kids.
Speaker 1: But doesn't but also isn't part of this that there
Speaker 1: is Okay, the Libs have made it very clear, no
Speaker 1: number on twenty thirty five apart from what's been passed
Speaker 1: forty three percent going into twenty thirty Is there a range?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're going to say there's a
Speaker 1: collection of information you're going to I know all the
Speaker 1: ways around the number. But is there a number because
Speaker 1: many other community independence have said seventy five percent? Do
Speaker 1: you believe that it should be closer to forty three
Speaker 1: percent or seventy five percent?
Speaker 8: I absolutely believe it should be closer to seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the question's That's what I wanted to ask.
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going now. I think we've got
Speaker 1: we've got We've got Jason here. Jason's on this side. Kday, mate,
Speaker 1: what's your question? Very good, Thank Paul. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to hand the mic over. What do you want to ask?
Speaker 8: Okay, what's the government's solution to assist the low and
Speaker 8: middle class people of Australia, specifically the high groscy prices
Speaker 8: of coals and rulers.
Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew start with you. If you were there, You're
Speaker 1: not just there as an independent, you would be part
Speaker 1: of a government. So what would the Liberal Party's policy
Speaker 1: be on these matters?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I think the behavior and Coals
Speaker 4: all words couldn't have been more I think treachery to
Speaker 4: Australian people over the last few years. We only have
Speaker 4: to go down the road to see how our dairy
Speaker 4: farmers are being treated over many, many years. So we've
Speaker 4: got to look at the way in which the cost
Speaker 4: inputs are driving up the prices at the supermarkets, and.
Speaker 7: That comes to energy.
Speaker 4: We've all been playing in regional News South Wales and
Speaker 4: Regional Australia high fuel prices in the city for a
Speaker 4: very long time, which is why the cost of living
Speaker 4: crisis is more profound here. So there has to be
Speaker 4: a way in which we look very closely at the
Speaker 4: cose of practice of the supermarkets, but more so what
Speaker 4: they're doing to the farmers who are producing our goods
Speaker 4: and the pressure of that they're under. So energy comes
Speaker 4: back to the mix. We've just had a very interesting
Speaker 4: answer in relation to what Climate two hundred view.
Speaker 7: The view is.
Speaker 4: The reality is that if we don't have affordable, secure
Speaker 4: energy from our fuel supplies to the electricity and our
Speaker 4: homes and businesses.
Speaker 7: Then prices will go up.
Speaker 4: I've walked into an example of the ice creamery in
Speaker 4: Ala Dallah, the butcher in East Nahara, and in some
Speaker 4: cases those small businesses are not passing on their energy
Speaker 4: price hikes to their customers because they want to look
Speaker 4: after our community, because they're part of it, and that's
Speaker 4: what small business is doing. So national government needs to
Speaker 4: step in be a lot more aggressive. I think the
Speaker 4: A Triple C has been a toothless tiger for a
Speaker 4: long time in relation to some of this stuff, and
Speaker 4: we need to strengthen.
Speaker 1: We're in the last two minutes of the show, respect
Speaker 1: to Fred and Danny with their questions. But Kate, your
Speaker 1: last response to this question about how you would help
Speaker 1: people in low and middle incomes.
Speaker 8: I think duopolies, wherever they exist in politics or in supermarkets,
Speaker 8: are really bad for competition and they're really bad for
Speaker 8: everyday consumers. So anything that is going to increase choice,
Speaker 8: competition and to help families to be able to force
Speaker 8: the basics has got my support.
Speaker 1: All Right, thank you very much. We're in our final
Speaker 1: minute here, and as you started about telling us a
Speaker 1: little bit about yourself, I'll give you each I'm going
Speaker 1: to say fifteen seconds because mentally you'll turn that into thirty.
Speaker 1: All right, your bumper sticker pitch about why people should
Speaker 1: learn more and think about voting for you. Andrew you first, well,
Speaker 1: our country is in the wrong spot.
Speaker 4: We've got to shift to You got to change the
Speaker 4: local member, to change the government and then change the country.
Speaker 4: And Peter Darton does have a twelve point plan that's
Speaker 4: designed to protect us all look after all Australians. My
Speaker 4: focus will be dilmore in a way that I've always
Speaker 4: delivered for this community. Everybody knows me, they know what
Speaker 4: I'm capable of, and they know that we need a
Speaker 4: voice from here in Canberra, not Labour's voice here in Gilmore.
Speaker 1: All right, how do people get in touch with you?
Speaker 1: Every contents? Dot Com? Going, I NW what want? Website? Facebook?
Speaker 1: How do we get in touch with you?
Speaker 7: Facebook? Instagram?
Speaker 1: Do I mar in the street? Case? All right? Again
Speaker 1: your pitch and how do we get in touch with you?
Speaker 8: People are yearning to be able to do politics differently.
Speaker 11: Across the country.
Speaker 8: There is a movement of grassroots community independence who are
Speaker 8: shaking up the status quo and offering people a chance
Speaker 8: to do things differently as a community independent in the
Speaker 8: seat of Gilmore. I have got the energy, I've got
Speaker 8: the real life experience and I really want to get
Speaker 8: back to a place where our kids have got a
Speaker 8: hope for a future and that people can afford the
Speaker 8: basics of life.
Speaker 1: Again, good stuff. How do we get in touch with you?
Speaker 11: Kateigilmore dot com?
Speaker 1: Dot are you there?
Speaker 8: We go?
Speaker 1: Thank you very much? Give me a rant of applause.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. Thank you to everyone watching this.
Speaker 1: Plenty more pod tests to come when he names an election,
Speaker 1: We're coming your way. See you tomorrow.