Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. Well, I've got exclusive footage tonight of two
Speaker 2: very high profile Australians catching up with Donald Trump at
Speaker 2: Mara Lago. The video was taken inside the room and
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you that in a moment, But first,
Speaker 2: can I just say welcome back everyone. I hope you've
Speaker 2: all had a good break. I hope you had the
Speaker 2: chance to relax and have a breather. I had a
Speaker 2: lovely few weeks with the family and the kids up
Speaker 2: the coast. And it's our first show back tonight for
Speaker 2: the year. It is packed and it's going to be
Speaker 2: a massive year. There's already so much going on, so
Speaker 2: much to talk about. We're coming up on the show tonight.
Speaker 2: As I said, exclusive footage from inside Mary Lago of
Speaker 2: top Australians meeting with Trump and Millennia. I'll give you
Speaker 2: a hint. It's not Alban Easy or Penny Wong. Also
Speaker 2: tonight we crossed to la where Washington correspondent Annalise Nilsen
Speaker 2: will give us the latest on the devastating fires. Albaneze's
Speaker 2: offensive claim that he's done all he could on the
Speaker 2: antisemitism crisis I'll get Julian Lisa's response to that, plus
Speaker 2: his push for National Cabinet to be convened to deal
Speaker 2: with this issue. It's an idea the Prime Minister has
Speaker 2: already dismissed, as he claims he's not responsible for the
Speaker 2: racism crisis. Plus have young girls been betrayed for the
Speaker 2: sake of political correctness. I've discussed with Spiked onlines Brendan O'Neill.
Speaker 2: But let's start with the Los Angeles fires. Twenty four
Speaker 2: lives lost, more than ten thousand homes destroyed, and over
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people evacuated, Beautiful suburbs reduced to rubble
Speaker 2: and ash, the face of La completely changed, perhaps permanently.
Speaker 2: And after a week, the catastrophe is still ongoing. Three
Speaker 2: major fires still raging by the Santa Anna wins, and
Speaker 2: you can see here's where the active blazers are ongoing.
Speaker 2: And now the districts of bel Air and Brentwood are
Speaker 2: facing fire warnings that they could be under threat. And
Speaker 2: this may very well be the worst natural disaster in
Speaker 2: American history. And these fires weren't a shock. The Santa
Speaker 2: Anna winds have fueled wide files throughout southern California's history.
Speaker 2: LA's environmental factors and the fire risk are well known,
Speaker 2: so those running the state should have been prepared, but
Speaker 2: they weren't. Their hopeless response unforgivable. They should have done
Speaker 2: everything in their power to mitigate the fire risk and
Speaker 2: reduce the fuel. Instead, they prioritized ideology and virtue signaling.
Speaker 2: And now there's uproar quite rightly about why tiny fish
Speaker 2: and diversity quotas were more important than saving homes and
Speaker 2: saving lives. Or in a nutshell, here's what's gone wrong.
Speaker 2: Fire hydrants had no water in them, a major reservoir
Speaker 2: was left empty and unable to be used. No new
Speaker 2: dams were built despite funding approval ten years ago. The
Speaker 2: city's fire budget was cut by seventeen million dollars US
Speaker 2: that is last year, and firefighting equipment was sent off shore.
Speaker 2: And as for the leadership for La, Mayor Karen Bass
Speaker 2: knew there was a high fire risk, but shrugged her
Speaker 2: shoulders and went on a free trip to Ghana. And
Speaker 2: when she was pressed on this by a reporter, here
Speaker 2: was her incredible reaction or non reaction.
Speaker 3: Do you owe citizens and apology for being absent while
Speaker 3: their homes were burning? Do you regret coming the fire
Speaker 3: department budget for millions of dollars. Madam, there have you
Speaker 3: nothing to say today? Have you absolutely nothing to say
Speaker 3: to the citizens today?
Speaker 2: And then the city's fire budget was cut by seventeen
Speaker 2: million US last year. And that's according to the Los
Speaker 2: Angeles Fire Chief Kristin Crowley, who said this impacted on
Speaker 2: wildfire preparation, but her own handling wasn't so great either.
Speaker 2: According to the Wall Street Journal, only five percent of
Speaker 2: her department's budget was spent on fire prevention. Five percent.
Speaker 2: And Crowley has called a diversity, inclusion and equity a
Speaker 2: top priority. And then there's Governor Gavin Newsoon. He's been
Speaker 2: so distracted by his obsession with Trump that he dropped
Speaker 2: the ball on protecting his own people. In recent months,
Speaker 2: he's spoken about Trump proof in California, But what about
Speaker 2: fire I approof in California?
Speaker 4: His call per retribution, revenge. He's pretty clear we responded
Speaker 4: to his assault on California where he tried to unwind
Speaker 4: our progress, and so we're doing now with a special session.
Speaker 4: He is not waiting to react to that. We're preparing
Speaker 4: for that in a much a more sober way.
Speaker 2: To think Newsome wanted to be president. Surely he's finished
Speaker 2: After this, voters are furious and have turned against him,
Speaker 2: and news told one upset voter that he was literally
Speaker 2: on the phone to the president, but it turned out
Speaker 2: he actually wasn't literally on the phone to the president
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: Was my daughter's school, governor, Please tell me what you're
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 2: Do, But I'm not going to hurt of my promise.
Speaker 4: I'm literally talking to the president right now to specifically
Speaker 4: answer the question of what we can do for you
Speaker 4: and your daughter?
Speaker 5: Can I hear it?
Speaker 6: Can I hear your call?
Speaker 4: Because I don't believe it? I'm sorry, can I There's
Speaker 4: literally I've tried five times. That's why I'm walking around
Speaker 4: to me I was the president not taking your call
Speaker 4: because it's not going through.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem with these officials. Their ideological political
Speaker 2: obsessions are more important to them than fulfilling basic obligations
Speaker 2: to keep people and their homes safe. One of the
Speaker 2: biggest issues in this whole saga has been the lack
Speaker 2: of water. The water restrictions or because of the laws
Speaker 2: around protecting a tiny fish called smelt. Trump has spoken
Speaker 2: about this on his social media accounts and in press conferences.
Speaker 2: It's very sad because I've been trying to get Gavin
Speaker 2: Lissen to allow water to cover.
Speaker 5: You have tremendous footer.
Speaker 6: They send it out to the facility because they're trying.
Speaker 2: To protect their tiny little fish.
Speaker 5: Which is in other areas. By the way, it's called
Speaker 5: the smeller.
Speaker 2: And for the sake of the smell, they have no water.
Speaker 2: They have no water in the fire hydrants. Well what's
Speaker 2: Governor Newsom's response to all of this. Well, he's announced
Speaker 2: an independent inquiry, but he also claims there's misinformation, and
Speaker 2: he's spoken about cheap political shots.
Speaker 4: Reservoirs are completely full. Of the state reservoirs here in
Speaker 4: southern California, that missing disinformation. I don't think advantages or
Speaker 4: aids any of us responding to Donald Trump's insults, we
Speaker 4: would spend another month. I'm very familiar with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it wasn't misinformation. The reservoir wasn't full. That
Speaker 2: one reservoir that serves the Palace aids was not full.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what triggered my desire to get the
Speaker 4: investigation to understand what was happening with that local reservoir
Speaker 4: that was not a state system reservoir which the President
Speaker 4: elect was referring to as it relates to the Delta
Speaker 4: and somehow connecting the Delta smelt to this fire, which
Speaker 4: is inexcusable because it's inaccurate, also incomprehensible to anyone that
Speaker 4: understands policy in the state.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no question that one hundred and seventeen million
Speaker 2: gallon reservoir was offline, was out of commission. Fire hydrants
Speaker 2: simply have had no water in them, and this has
Speaker 2: been widely reported. And the Wall Street Journal also reported
Speaker 2: that the smelt fish water protections led to billions of
Speaker 2: gallons of water being flushed out to the Pacific Ocean
Speaker 2: each year, along with chronic water shortages. The Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal reports and I quote that mister Newsom opposed mister
Speaker 2: Trump's first term efforts to ease the fish protections. They write,
Speaker 2: you can lead California progressives to water, but you can't
Speaker 2: make them think. But when you can't deal with questions
Speaker 2: about why fire hydrants are empty, why a reservoir was empty,
Speaker 2: why there isn't enough water supply, well, of course, just
Speaker 2: blame misinformation. And the left media is upset that Facebook
Speaker 2: and x won't help them censor the shocking truth now
Speaker 2: that Mark Zuckerberg is on the same page as Elon
Speaker 2: Musk in ending the so called fact checking, that's really
Speaker 2: censorship in disguise. California's mismanagement is not a surprise, and
Speaker 2: it's not isolated to the area of fire protection. It
Speaker 2: extends to drugs, crime, homelessness, petty theft. And there's a
Speaker 2: sensational New York Post editorial about this. It says, with
Speaker 2: a democratic governor, democratic mayors, democratic city councils, in a
Speaker 2: democratic justice system, the progressives have darkened the land of
Speaker 2: perpetual sunshine. This week's devastating wildfires are the pinnacle of
Speaker 2: democratic incompetence. Environmentalists and politicians refuse to clear the underbrush
Speaker 2: that fueled the flames. A reservoir in Pacific Palisades with
Speaker 2: shockingly bosed for repair. This is a reckoning. The voters
Speaker 2: must demand total change. Democrats have enjoyed one party rule
Speaker 2: in California for too long, and there is no one
Speaker 2: else to blame for what has happened. California is not
Speaker 2: paradise lost. California is paradise squandered. The people must take
Speaker 2: it back. It's an excellent editorial. I recommend you read it.
Speaker 2: But La, that we know is home to Hollywood's sunshine, Wealth,
Speaker 2: an opportunity, Well, it's now the global face of woke mismanagement.
Speaker 2: It's the extreme example of putting ideology above common sense.
Speaker 2: But the biggest and saddest question now is how does
Speaker 2: La rebuild from this? The ten thousand families who've lost
Speaker 2: everything they own, where do they go now? Where do
Speaker 2: they live? How do they recover? So many don't have insurance,
Speaker 2: and that's another story, but it's incomprehensible to think how
Speaker 2: much has been destroyed and how many homes have been lost.
Speaker 2: The extent of the destruction is the outcome of extreme
Speaker 2: incompetence of Californian Democrats, whose shocking decisions unquestionably exacerbated the fires.
Speaker 2: And they've been exposed. But you have to ask at
Speaker 2: what price. I'm going to come back to that a
Speaker 2: bit later. We'll cross to Annalie Nilsen in Washington, but
Speaker 2: let's turn to Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: His inauguration is a week today, and already there are
Speaker 2: some Aussies who are clearly in the new president's orbit,
Speaker 2: and Penny Wang and Alban Easy are not among them. Instead,
Speaker 2: Australian businessman Anthony Pratt was invited to Trump's exclusive New
Speaker 2: Year's Eve celebration at Marra Lago, along with former Prime
Speaker 2: Minister Scott Morrison and his lovely wife Jenny. I've got
Speaker 2: exclusive footage that was sent to me by someone in
Speaker 2: the room of both Anthony Pratt and Morrison chatting with
Speaker 2: Trump and Millenia. Here it is. The footage goes for
Speaker 2: about a minute. We're going to keep showing it to
Speaker 2: you now as I chat. So this video is from
Speaker 2: inside Donald Trump's New Year's Eve party at Mari Lago,
Speaker 2: where the President elect held court. He had plenty of
Speaker 2: time with both Anthony Pratt and Scott Morrison. It's understood
Speaker 2: Millania and Jenny got on very well. They were happy
Speaker 2: to be reacquainted since the last time they met when
Speaker 2: Morrison was Prime Minister. As you can see as you're watching,
Speaker 2: it's quite an expressive conversation and Trump actually at one
Speaker 2: point taps Pratt's shoulder in a warm way. Trump's son
Speaker 2: don Ja, was just behind them. You can see that
Speaker 2: at some point in the footage, and I'm told that
Speaker 2: Anthony Pratt spoke to Trump about business and said he'd
Speaker 2: invest billions of dollars under Trump's leadership, and a source
Speaker 2: tells me Trump was very gracious. The song hot Stuff
Speaker 2: by Donna Summer was playing while they chatted, and YMCA
Speaker 2: of course got a crack two, but instead of the
Speaker 2: words young man, everyone in the room sang Trump. Matn
Speaker 2: Trump gave a speech at the start of the evening.
Speaker 2: It was quite an extravagant affair, and Lara Trump also
Speaker 2: sang a song, but it was quite a relaxed evening.
Speaker 2: Anthony Pratt donated fifteen million dollars US to support President
Speaker 2: Trump in the final days of his election campaign, and
Speaker 2: this included fourteen million to the Make America Great against
Speaker 2: super pac another one point one million to Trump's inaugural
Speaker 2: funt so. This donation put Anthony Pratt among the top
Speaker 2: donors to Trump's campaign, alongside Elon Musk, Timothy Mellon, Miriam Addison,
Speaker 2: and Linda McMahon. Pratt is now living in America. He's
Speaker 2: been granted a visa for permanent US residency and he'll
Speaker 2: be more than welcome there because he's one of the
Speaker 2: largest Australian employers of Americans. He's seventy factories in the US,
Speaker 2: employee around twelve thousand people. And Scott Morrison is also
Speaker 2: spending more and more time in the US, particularly with
Speaker 2: his company, American Global Strategies, where he's the non executive
Speaker 2: vice chairman, but he hasn't moved there, despite some media reports.
Speaker 2: At Trump's inauguration next week, it'll be Penny Wong representing
Speaker 2: the Albanezy government. Richard Miles should have gone because in
Speaker 2: defense circles he is better regarded in America and he's
Speaker 2: the only one that Republicans have any sort of good
Speaker 2: word to say about. The rest of the Albanezy government
Speaker 2: will struggle under the Trump administration. They were already struggling
Speaker 2: with the Biden administration because Alban Easy and Penny Wog
Speaker 2: had split with the US At the United Nations. Albo
Speaker 2: has been aligning himself with the outgoing Justin Trudeau, who's
Speaker 2: well and truly on the outer or with Trump and
Speaker 2: with Canadians. Alban Easy hasn't been asked to come to
Speaker 2: the US to meet with Trump, and this will all
Speaker 2: be an election issue in the next few months. It's
Speaker 2: just one of many areas where the prime minister is
Speaker 2: failing Okay, let's bring in now Sky News host Caleb
Speaker 2: Bond and Joe hilde Brand. Great to see you, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Couldn't be better than gentlemen. Look at Caleb, I want
Speaker 2: to start with with that. You know, Penny Wog is
Speaker 2: going to be the one who attends alongside Kevin right
Speaker 2: the Trump inauguration, Yet she's been angery the Biden administration
Speaker 2: and by the way, not just on Israel, but also
Speaker 2: on just how chummy they all are with China. The
Speaker 2: US isn't comfortable with that. I mean, it just shows
Speaker 2: how difficult it's going to be for alban Easy.
Speaker 1: And Kevin rad for heaven say, we don't need to
Speaker 1: go to his record of what he said about Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: which he promptly scrubbed, of course, from Twitter once Trump
Speaker 1: was re elected. I mean, we're hardly sending our best,
Speaker 1: are we. Now. You're probably right that Marles ought to go,
Speaker 1: but the Prime Minister ought to be there. The fact
Speaker 1: he was not invited is quiet telling. But really we
Speaker 1: should be putting forward even though there's an election campaign
Speaker 1: coming and obviously both Darton and Albanezi very much in
Speaker 1: election mode at the moment, but we are talking about
Speaker 1: the biggest leader in the world, the leader of the
Speaker 1: free world, the President of the United States being inaugurated.
Speaker 1: Why would our prime minister not be bashing down the
Speaker 1: door to get to that event, even if it doesn't
Speaker 1: achieve a great deal. Apart from being there, it's an
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to other world leaders. We know he's
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time overseas going and meeting with
Speaker 1: world leaders at the beginning of his prime ministership. He
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be so keen to do it now,
Speaker 1: perhaps because yeah, indeed, but perhaps because he's more worried
Speaker 1: about what's going on at home and he thinks he
Speaker 1: needs to be on TV screen's here more than he
Speaker 1: does talking to world leaders because he's worried about his job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll get to election timing in a moment,
Speaker 2: especially with you joke, because I'm sure you've got some
Speaker 2: insights on that. But when do you think of that footage,
Speaker 2: you know, it shows you just how close Because not
Speaker 2: everyone at that New Year's Eve party had access to
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. It was a roped off area. Yet they
Speaker 2: spent quite a lot of time speaking with Scott Morrison
Speaker 2: and Anthony Pratt, and yet nothing with Kevin Rudd, nothing
Speaker 2: with Penny Wong. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 6: I think the problem is and it's a problem that
Speaker 6: is even more broad than just those individuals. But there
Speaker 6: has been I think a certain smugness among left wing elites,
Speaker 6: and you know, left of the left elites, the upper
Speaker 6: middle class left, as I'm constantly lamenting about where they
Speaker 6: were just dismissive of Trump, all embracing new sort of
Speaker 6: agenda and that this is progressing politics and it's inevitable.
Speaker 6: And we've seen that not just on dismissing Trump but
Speaker 6: dismissing Australia Day. There was a really interesting poll in
Speaker 6: the Telly today that shows support for Australia Day is
Speaker 6: actually growing while it Dali himself no less said that,
Speaker 6: you know, the midnight hour of wokeness is upon us
Speaker 6: and that wokers in its death rise. A few of
Speaker 6: us have been saying that, but again it's certain. I
Speaker 6: think it actually genuinely seems to be the case. And
Speaker 6: I know this from people I've spoken to in the
Speaker 6: New South Wales Labor Party and from what has happened
Speaker 6: in the US. But all these absolutely not no, no, no,
Speaker 6: but people, but people would be coming out like people
Speaker 6: in the Labor Party. Again, not to reveal any confidences,
Speaker 6: but people in the Labor Party have been coming out
Speaker 6: and saying, oh, we all think this is crazy too,
Speaker 6: but we thought we were the only ones. We just
Speaker 6: thought it was inevitable and that these people would just
Speaker 6: take over our party. And they've actually pushed back and
Speaker 6: they have won, and they have won convincingly with someone
Speaker 6: like Chris Min's in charge, where you know, these people
Speaker 6: are proud of fighting.
Speaker 1: Trots Albo, whether he knows it or not, achieved that
Speaker 1: by losing the voice. The voice was the vanguard for
Speaker 1: people to start standing up with these saying actually, we
Speaker 1: don't like work anymore. So, whether he knew it or not,
Speaker 1: that was the greatest thing, all.
Speaker 6: These assumptions that this is eving evident, that's going to happen,
Speaker 6: that Donald Trump's an idiot and he's crazy and he's
Speaker 6: a madman and he's a loser and Trump is over,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean they were also happy to say that publicly.
Speaker 6: That's right, and now suddenly they need his that's right.
Speaker 6: And now suddenly they need Trump's favor And none of
Speaker 6: them would even have his phone number, you know, none
Speaker 6: of them would even know how to get in Gonet
Speaker 6: with him. So I think it is just a very
Speaker 6: very salient lesson in smugness and thinking that you are
Speaker 6: on the right side of history. Sometimes history has a
Speaker 6: way of surprise.
Speaker 2: And it's why, as I reported late last year, Kevin
Speaker 2: Right has been trying to draft in Scott Morrison to
Speaker 2: help him do his job that he clearly isn't going
Speaker 2: to be able to do now. Well, as we've been
Speaker 2: talking about, the federal election will be held in the
Speaker 2: next few months and already it's turning a bit heated.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton and Alban Easy trading barbs after the Coalition's
Speaker 2: unofficial campaign launched yesterday.
Speaker 8: Have a look, Coalition a negative about absolutely everything. You know,
Speaker 8: I haven't seen any specifics, but Peter Dutton will continue
Speaker 8: as he did yesterday to look for areas of division.
Speaker 1: Australians have endured one of the most incompetent governments in
Speaker 1: our nation's history.
Speaker 2: Well, Caleb, you know Albanezey claiming Dutton's trying to create
Speaker 2: fear and division. We are feeling fear. It's Alban Easy
Speaker 2: who's created it. It is the most ridiculous comment i've
Speaker 2: ever heard from the Prime minister. He has created the fear,
Speaker 2: not Peter Dutton in opposition.
Speaker 1: What division is he talking about? I mean, look, the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister may well want to acquit himself with the
Speaker 1: word opposition. The first few letters of that suggest oppose.
Speaker 1: Which is the job of an opposition to oppose the
Speaker 1: things that a government is doing. So of course they're
Speaker 1: going to take a negative road. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: an opposition does. They have to combat the things that
Speaker 1: a government is doing. What can he possibly mean by
Speaker 1: a division? The only bloke whose own division is Anthony
Speaker 1: Albanize and his government with its absolute weakness, I mean,
Speaker 1: on his watch, with the help of some state premiers,
Speaker 1: you have had social discord all across the country because
Speaker 1: no one had the leadership to stand up, sayang, in
Speaker 1: a minute, let's take a step back here. We as
Speaker 1: a country don't tolerate this kind of behavior in Australia.
Speaker 1: That's how we've ended up with division caused by his government,
Speaker 1: not by Dutton. And I mean we say you look
Speaker 1: at yesterday the Victorian Trades Hall, who I know are
Speaker 1: not your mates, Joe, even though you are a great
Speaker 1: made of the Labor Party, rocked up out the front
Speaker 1: of Dutton's campaign launch essentially with that three eyed fish,
Speaker 1: a blow up version of the three eyed fish, thinking
Speaker 1: that that's somehow going to win Labor another election by
Speaker 1: fighting on nuclear energy, by saying, well, all the fish
Speaker 1: are going to have three eyes. That is what Labor
Speaker 1: is doing right now. They think that's going to win
Speaker 1: him an election. They've got another thing, so so stupid.
Speaker 6: And again remember there are a couple of MPs from
Speaker 6: the left, including at least one from Victoria, who were
Speaker 6: posting memes of the three eyefish on social media and
Speaker 6: probably got Todd shut it down, Take it down, delete
Speaker 6: it you look like an idiot. You are actually hurting
Speaker 6: the callers because it makes the Labour Party look like
Speaker 6: the unscientific blood heites, not the oppelaision. It was also
Speaker 6: the Victorian Labor Party that posted that oh so funny
Speaker 6: social media meme I'm Peter Darton and his wife and
Speaker 6: his wife seeming to refer to him as a monster
Speaker 6: again and Albanez he has to get on the phone
Speaker 6: and clean up their mess because these are guys who
Speaker 6: like to take a massive dump in their own backyard
Speaker 6: and then when it all comes back to horn them
Speaker 6: pitter dunsfault or it's all Rupert Murdock's fault. Now it's
Speaker 6: your fault being the dumbass trots that in New South
Speaker 6: Wales we're so proud to purge. So that is the
Speaker 6: first thing to say about Victorian branch of the ALP
Speaker 6: and what a massive liability it is going to be
Speaker 6: on Peter dund That is the reason why he launched
Speaker 6: his campaign in Victoria in jism, which is.
Speaker 2: Probably there's going to be a really big focus from
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton on Victoria, absolutely no question. He wants to
Speaker 2: win a lot of seats there and for good reason.
Speaker 2: There's not much to win in Queensland. Coalition has a lot,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be New South Wales and Victoria.
Speaker 2: Joe very quickly before you go, what are you hearing
Speaker 2: about when the election will be called?
Speaker 6: I think the fact that Anthony Albanezi did not go
Speaker 6: to is not going to Trump's inauguration makes it look
Speaker 6: like it'll bit sooner rather than later. There would have
Speaker 6: been a whole bunch of back channels. So if he
Speaker 6: thought that if Anthony Albanez was going, he would have
Speaker 6: been invited. February it'll possibly call it in February. If
Speaker 6: there's a rape cut in February, which is looking increasedb
Speaker 6: more likely than it was. Apparently that is increasing, you
Speaker 6: can bet your bottom dollar he'll call in it. But
Speaker 6: I don't think he will go much after March. I
Speaker 6: don't think he'll want Parliament to go back. I don't
Speaker 6: think he'll want to do it. I'd probably say.
Speaker 1: March all right.
Speaker 2: I'll hold you to that.
Speaker 5: Joe, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: We'll replay it one hundred times. If you'repe I'm shoking.
Speaker 2: We got around klebn. Great to see you. All right.
Speaker 2: Let's turn to this major scandal in the UK where
Speaker 2: politicians saw under pressure over the soft treatment of Pakistani
Speaker 2: Muslim men sexually abusing and raping thousands of white working
Speaker 2: class girls in towns across England. Now, one of the
Speaker 2: smartest commentators in the world, Brendan O'Neill, is going to
Speaker 2: join me now to speak about these grooming gangs. He
Speaker 2: wrote in The Australian over the weekend, how political correctness
Speaker 2: is protecting Britain's grooming gangs. He said that report after
Speaker 2: report has found that local politicians and police forces were
Speaker 2: initially loath to investigate the gangs because they feared appearing racist.
Speaker 2: PC pushed out the truth and Brendan joins us. Now,
Speaker 2: Brendan O'Neil, great to see you again, first show of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Look, can you explain to all of
Speaker 2: us what has happened here and how is it the
Speaker 2: case that men who have raped or sexually abused women
Speaker 2: girls have been given soft treatment.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a really shocking scandal. It's the worst scandal
Speaker 7: of the post war era in the UK, no question
Speaker 7: at all. Because what happened is that thousands of white
Speaker 7: working class girls were sexually assaulted and in some cases
Speaker 7: raped and killed by gangs of men who were mostly
Speaker 7: Pakistani Muslims. And we've known about this scandal for a
Speaker 7: long time in this country. And the worst thing about it,
Speaker 7: as you say, is that officialdom often turned a blind eye.
Speaker 7: The police, social workers, local council officials. They often turned
Speaker 7: a blind eye because they didn't want to be seen
Speaker 7: as racist, they didn't want to be seen as Islamophobic.
Speaker 7: So this case really shows us how dangerous political correctness
Speaker 7: can be. You know, we tend to think of politicals
Speaker 7: as something funny and ridiculous and canceled culture and watching
Speaker 7: your p's and q's and using the right pronouns and
Speaker 7: so on. But in these kinds of situations it can
Speaker 7: actually be lethal.
Speaker 2: And how is this playing out politically? Is the pressure
Speaker 2: here completely on Kiir Starmer? And is the opposition party
Speaker 2: you know, seizing on this or is Reform emerging like
Speaker 2: the strongest voice in this matter.
Speaker 7: It's causing huge waves here in the UK, partly because
Speaker 7: of Elon Musk's tweets. He's really brought it back into
Speaker 7: the global headlines, but also because people in the UK
Speaker 7: feel that we've never had a real reckoning with this scandal.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of heat on Kirs Starmer.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: The unbelievable thing is that Keir Starmer's government is currently
Speaker 7: thinking of bringing in an even tighter definition of the
Speaker 7: idea of Islamophobia. So here we have a scandal which
Speaker 7: in large part was driven by people's fear of being
Speaker 7: called Islamophobic, and yet Starmer's government wants to tighten up
Speaker 7: even further any criticism of Islam, any criticism of the Koran,
Speaker 7: any criticism of Muslim practices. I think what this scandal
Speaker 7: really shows is how dangerous the idea of Islamophobia can
Speaker 7: be because this idea essentially acts like a straight jacket
Speaker 7: on public discussion. You're not allowed to say anything critical
Speaker 7: of Islam. You're not even allowed to criticize individual members
Speaker 7: of the Muslim community, which was the case in this scandal.
Speaker 7: So the idea of Islamophobia actually is incredibly censorious. It
Speaker 7: prevents us from getting to grips with the problems in
Speaker 7: our society and it is a real, I think, bad
Speaker 7: thing for our communities that we aren't allowed to openly
Speaker 7: discuss the problems that we face. So Keir Starmer still
Speaker 7: doesn't recognize how important freedom of speech is to get
Speaker 7: into the bottom of this scandal.
Speaker 2: Look, you just mentioned Elon Musk in that answer. In
Speaker 2: his intervention, so he's endorsed this figure that probably most
Speaker 2: viewers here wouldn't have heard of, Tommy Robinson. But doing so,
Speaker 2: he's also attacking Nigel Farage. He says there needs to
Speaker 2: be a new leader of reform. What do you think
Speaker 2: about his intervention and how Nigel Farage is doing.
Speaker 7: You know, I think his intervention is it's a bit crazy,
Speaker 7: it's quite funny. He really has put the cat among
Speaker 7: the pigeons in British politics. So you know, it's fun
Speaker 7: to watch to see him sending out all these tweets
Speaker 7: and saying pretty zaany things about the government and talking
Speaker 7: about this scandal that he hadn't previously heard about. But
Speaker 7: I think he's wrong about Nigel Farage.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: Farage is the leader of Reform. In our general election
Speaker 7: last year, Reform did incredibly well. They got millions of votes.
Speaker 7: I think they got around fourteen percent of the vote,
Speaker 7: which is incredible for a new insurgent party. They're getting
Speaker 7: lots of votes from working class voters who feel that
Speaker 7: they've been abandoned by labor, who feel that labor looks
Speaker 7: down at noses at them and treats them as white
Speaker 7: trash who don't know what they're talking about and are
Speaker 7: all really stupid. That layer of the electorate is really
Speaker 7: sick and tired of being patronized, and they're turning to
Speaker 7: Farage as an alternative voice, and Farrage is very popular.
Speaker 7: Tommy Robinson, on the other hand, the figure you mentioned there,
Speaker 7: he's a very fringe figure. He is not taken seriously
Speaker 7: by most normal people in this country. He's seen as
Speaker 7: a bit of a problem in fact, because he discusses
Speaker 7: things in a pretty cac handed way often, so I
Speaker 7: think Elon Musk has picked the wrong horse in this battle,
Speaker 7: and I think he needs to be a little bit
Speaker 7: better informed about British politics and about the role Nigel
Speaker 7: Ferrad has played in British politics over the past twenty years,
Speaker 7: and maybe.
Speaker 2: He needs a bit careful because it's often seen like
Speaker 2: he's representing the US and Trump. Now I've given his
Speaker 2: proximity to the incoming president. Brandan O'Neil. We always love
Speaker 2: your commentary and your insights, so terrific to have you
Speaker 2: on the show again. Thank you. Now after the break,
Speaker 2: Albanese's pathetic response to the anti Semitism crisis, Well, why
Speaker 2: doesn't he have the guts to call a national cabinet?
Speaker 2: Liberal MP Julian Lisa, who's leading this campaign, will join
Speaker 2: me live next. That's after this quick break, Welcome back. Well,
Speaker 2: as you may have seen, Anthony Albinizi has claimed in
Speaker 2: interviews that he's done all he can to battle this
Speaker 2: horror rise in anti Semitism, and it's a statement that
Speaker 2: should make every one of us angry because it's a
Speaker 2: shocking dereliction of duty. He's never taken racism against Jews
Speaker 2: seriously enough, and just days into twenty twenty five, this
Speaker 2: is only getting worse. We've seen swastika is spray painted
Speaker 2: across the front of synagogues one in southern Sydney, an
Speaker 2: attempted arson attack at Newtown Synagogue, and recently we saw
Speaker 2: anti Semitic garbage graffitied on cars in Sydney's East. And
Speaker 2: there's so much that's happened over the past few weeks,
Speaker 2: four weeks that we've been off. It's more than I
Speaker 2: can even cover now. And isn't that devastating to say
Speaker 2: Alberanze's leadership on this has been inadequate to say the least.
Speaker 2: While I despair, Julian Lisa says this is time for
Speaker 2: a national cabinet on the anti Sammitism crisis. He's absolutely right,
Speaker 2: and he's on set with me right now. Julian, great
Speaker 2: to see you again.
Speaker 9: Thanks Cherry, good to be with you.
Speaker 2: So before I want to hear more about your idea,
Speaker 2: I actually just want to show you Anthony Alberze's response
Speaker 2: to your suggestion have a look at this.
Speaker 8: I've seen some of some of those comments from missus Lisa,
Speaker 8: I make this point that state and territory governments, again
Speaker 8: we have a federation in Australia, state and territory governments
Speaker 8: are responsible primarily for those issues. What we have established
Speaker 8: as Operation a Alite to make sure that the Australian
Speaker 8: Federal Police work cooperatively with state and territory governments.
Speaker 2: Not his responsibility, Julian, it's the problem of the state.
Speaker 9: Well, it's everyone's problem. Showing anti Semitism is a problem
Speaker 9: for everyone. And indeed, when we've seen these escalating attacks
Speaker 9: on synagogues and Jewish properties over recent days and months,
Speaker 9: I think the time for wringing our hands and apologizing
Speaker 9: that anti Semitism is a problem in Australia is over.
Speaker 9: This is a time for action. I want to see
Speaker 9: no one engage in these activities and the best way
Speaker 9: you can do that is to provide it a terrant,
Speaker 9: to ensure that if you're engaged in this activity, you
Speaker 9: will do time, you will go to jail. And I
Speaker 9: think the federal government does have a responsibility. Firstly, they
Speaker 9: have a responsibility to convene the National Cabinet. Secondly, there
Speaker 9: are offenses through using a carriage service, a mobile phone,
Speaker 9: using apps to plan and organize these attacks. I think
Speaker 9: if anybody is engaged in any of these things, we
Speaker 9: should be using every power at our disposal, federal, state
Speaker 9: and territory to ensure that these attacks don't happen. And
Speaker 9: I was delighted to see the Premier of Queensland say
Speaker 9: that if the Prime Minister convene National Cabinet to look
Speaker 9: at these issues, he would be there at the heartbeat.
Speaker 9: If a Jewish property, a synagogue of communal center, you
Speaker 9: should do time. Because this isn't paint on a building,
Speaker 9: as the Greens would like you to think. This is
Speaker 9: about saying to your fellow Australians, you're not welcome in
Speaker 9: this country and you should be scared. And we've had
Speaker 9: enough of this over the last fourteen fifteen months. If
Speaker 9: you'd asked me fifteen months ago if we'd still be
Speaker 9: talking about anti Semitism now, I would have said, oh,
Speaker 9: there's no way. But this has got worse, not better, Shari,
Speaker 9: and that's why it's time to set a standard that
Speaker 9: if you attack Jewish property in this fashion, you will
Speaker 9: do time.
Speaker 2: And that's the issue that we are seeing incidents almost
Speaker 2: every day now this year. It has been basically every
Speaker 2: single day, and it's very rare that you hear about
Speaker 2: someone being caught or someone going to prison. There do
Speaker 2: seem to be no consequences. I mean Alban Easy today
Speaker 2: he claimed that Peter Darton is creating fear. He's Alban Easy.
Speaker 2: He's creating fear because he's let this hatred emerge. He
Speaker 2: didn't deal with it quickly enough and he's still not
Speaker 2: dealing with it properly. Look, you're so you've today made
Speaker 2: headlines in the Australian because you're also criticizing Penny Wang
Speaker 2: for basically trading away Western values. What's your criticism of
Speaker 2: her on this point?
Speaker 9: Look, I think Australia has a proud tradition as a
Speaker 9: Western democracy, a liberal democracy. We stand with other like
Speaker 9: minded democracies, and I think Penniwong as the Foreign Minister,
Speaker 9: both on Israel and on Ukraine particularly, has not done
Speaker 9: enough and in fact has been selling out our values
Speaker 9: and selling out our traditions on Israeli. You remember, even
Speaker 9: as people were searching for bodies on the seventh of October,
Speaker 9: even as people were unaccounted for, she was telling Israel
Speaker 9: to exercise restraint. Even before the seventh of October. She
Speaker 9: had that ham fisted change of the capital of Israel
Speaker 9: without consulting the Israelis, without consulting people who are interested
Speaker 9: in those issues here in Australia. She gave funding to UNRA,
Speaker 9: which subsequently, as you know, was involved in the October
Speaker 9: seven terrorist attacks, both as providing a headquarters for Hamas
Speaker 9: communication operations and also with its own employees engaged in
Speaker 9: October seven's attacks. And then she's consistently voted against Israel
Speaker 9: at the United Nations and called for things like cease
Speaker 9: fires which would have seen the Hamas leadership and Hisboalal leadership. There,
Speaker 9: she's treated the Israeli ambassador worse than she treated the
Speaker 9: ambassador of China, despite the fact that there were occasions
Speaker 9: where Chinese troops fired flares at Australians.
Speaker 2: And those military attacks Australia. That's exactly right, And they
Speaker 2: think they can fix it all by sending Mark dreyfirst Israel.
Speaker 9: Well, this is just a gimmick just before the election,
Speaker 9: because I think the government realizes that fair minded people
Speaker 9: don't want to see what Australia has done to Israel
Speaker 9: happened to Israel because they see Israel as a country
Speaker 9: like Australia, a liberal democratic country that stands for human rights.
Speaker 9: And it's straordinary to see this. And Mark Drafisis is
Speaker 9: completely the wrong person to send there.
Speaker 2: He's just the reason they're sending him is because he's Jewish.
Speaker 2: You're Jewish, I'm Jewish. We've actually been extremely strong on
Speaker 2: pushing back against his anti semitism.
Speaker 9: Where has he been on this, Well, that's right, and
Speaker 9: I think the fact that he's gone, along with all
Speaker 9: the anti Israel positions of the government is deeply felt
Speaker 9: in the community. Not only that he is the person,
Speaker 9: more than any other cabinet minister who has the machinery
Speaker 9: of government to deal with social cohesion and anti Semitism,
Speaker 9: the Human Rights Commission, the Federal Police, and he.
Speaker 2: Voted against your idea for a judicial inquiry.
Speaker 9: He did repeatedly, repeatedly, And so you know, when the
Speaker 9: government says that they have done everything they can, it's
Speaker 9: just a lie. It's just like the lie they told
Speaker 9: the Jewish community before the last election that there'd be
Speaker 9: no difference in the policy in relation to the Jewish
Speaker 9: community and Israel between the Coalition and Labor. No greater
Speaker 9: lie has ever been told in Australian Politics show.
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa, thank you so much for your strong commentary
Speaker 2: and your continued push for action on this. So need
Speaker 2: your strength and we're grateful for it. Thank you, Thank you,
Speaker 2: sh all. Right after the break, the data is showing
Speaker 2: Australians are starting to reject the change the Date movement
Speaker 2: and they're embracing Australia Day. I'll discuss this with my
Speaker 2: panel next. Okay, let's return now to the devastating fires
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and we've been speaking about incompetence, but
Speaker 2: have a look at this. The diversity head of the
Speaker 2: Fire Department, Christine Larson, has come under fire for these
Speaker 2: recently resurfaced comments. Is she strong enough to do this?
Speaker 9: Or you couldn't carry my husband out of a fire.
Speaker 6: Which my response is he got himself from the wrong place.
Speaker 3: If I have to carryhim out.
Speaker 2: Of a fire, oh god. Let's bring in to discuss
Speaker 2: Adnimedia's Lisa Godard on News dot COM's deputy editor Liz Burke. Lisa, Liz,
Speaker 2: great to see you. Look, Liz, this is serious mismanagement
Speaker 2: and you know that Cleiper just shows the wrong priorities
Speaker 2: of gender quotas and diversity quotas rather than actually protecting
Speaker 2: people and their homes from the risk of fire. Yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean, there are some quotes from that clip that
Speaker 10: look pretty bad no matter what the context. But you know,
Speaker 10: this week especially, there's another quote there where she talks
Speaker 10: about when you want when you have someone to assist
Speaker 10: you in a fire, you want someone who looks like you.
Speaker 10: I've never heard of people's looks being raised, you know,
Speaker 10: in any sort of preferences when it comes to any
Speaker 10: kind of essential services, let alone emergency services. No one's
Speaker 10: calling the fire department saying I'd need urgent help. Can
Speaker 10: you please send someone of a particular ethnicity or of
Speaker 10: a particular gender. But this, this clip was made, I
Speaker 10: think promoting the department's d I push they're trying to
Speaker 10: overcome some criticisms, some pretty serious discrimination lawsuits that they've
Speaker 10: faced over the past couple of decades. But really, I mean,
Speaker 10: I still want to give this woman the benefit of
Speaker 10: the doubt. In that clip, she also raises some points
Speaker 10: that I think are quite valid. That says, you know,
Speaker 10: when you're a minority in an industry or in a workplace,
Speaker 10: you come under.
Speaker 2: A more scrutiny. You're judged more harshly, and I think
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 10: So you know, I want to give her the benefit
Speaker 10: of the doubt and assume that someone who is in
Speaker 10: such a senior position deserves to be there and has
Speaker 10: proved that they deserve to be there. But yeah, there's
Speaker 10: kind of no real good way to spin those lines
Speaker 10: coming out now.
Speaker 2: And it's not just that one clip, Lisa, but it's
Speaker 2: the entire strategy. I mean, I spoke about this at
Speaker 2: the start of the show. It's California mismanagement by Democrats
Speaker 2: who are obsessed with progressive politics. And you know, there
Speaker 2: wasn't the water supply because they were protecting fish. It
Speaker 2: just couldn't have been worsely managed. There's just was no
Speaker 2: fire prevention strategy, and we are now seeing as a result,
Speaker 2: tenth or more homes lost.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you've had two of the major areas just completely obliterated.
Speaker 11: I spent years working in America, so I know those
Speaker 11: areas well. And it's astounding when you look at those pictures,
Speaker 11: like you would have Sharry over the break and just
Speaker 11: to see it was armageddon in those parts of California.
Speaker 11: And I can tell you what Kamala Harris will be
Speaker 11: rethinking any plans she may have had to want to
Speaker 11: try and run in California after this, because I'm predicting
Speaker 11: there will be an enormous backlash against the Democrats and
Speaker 11: against this woke policy and Tip picking up at a
Speaker 11: point Liz made, Yes, I understand and I fully support
Speaker 11: that women should be out there and we should be
Speaker 11: able to do whatever job we want to do. But
Speaker 11: the reality is, when you look at military, if you
Speaker 11: look at police, if you look at firefighting, there is
Speaker 11: this requirement to have the strength and the physical capability
Speaker 11: to actually go into a burning building, kick somebody up
Speaker 11: and carry them out, you know.
Speaker 2: And I would like to think that if I had.
Speaker 11: To call Triple O or I was in that situation,
Speaker 11: whoever was coming to my rescue had that physical ability to.
Speaker 2: Do that one hundred percent. Now let's turn to this
Speaker 2: new pole from the Institute of Public Affairs in the Telegraph.
Speaker 2: It reveals that the anti Australia Day movement is losing support.
Speaker 2: Sixty nine percent of respondents say Australia Day should be
Speaker 2: celebrated on January twenty six. Liz, we're seeing that Peter
Speaker 2: dartin is campaigning on issues related to this, so there
Speaker 2: does seem to be this return to wanting to celebrate Australia. Yeah.
Speaker 10: I walked into my local shops yesterday and it had
Speaker 10: had a green and gold makeover. There were you know,
Speaker 10: full size Australia flags hanging from the ceiling, bunting everywhere,
Speaker 10: green and gold as far as you can see, and it.
Speaker 2: Did feel like a celebration.
Speaker 10: I felt like this year there certainly seems to be
Speaker 10: less enthusiasm for the change the Date debate, and I
Speaker 10: know that tends to ramp up closer to Australia Day,
Speaker 10: but we're a fortnight out and I just don't see
Speaker 10: the appetite for it this year. I think most people
Speaker 10: are you know, pretty much over it. Most people do
Speaker 10: want to celebrate Australia. They're proud to be Australian, and
Speaker 10: I guess the enthusiasm and the energy to debate where
Speaker 10: that date falls is probably you know, fallen away from
Speaker 10: the people who are really really passionate about it, many
Speaker 10: of whom you know would still be disappointed by the
Speaker 10: result of the Voice referendum, which a while ago now
Speaker 10: but still you know, seems quite fresh and also I
Speaker 10: think there's there's other problems going on at the moment.
Speaker 10: People are living in a cost of living crisis. There's
Speaker 10: bigger international issues going on.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the energy for that debate from those
Speaker 10: people who are in other years, you know, more eager
Speaker 10: to discuss it, has has fallen away a little bit.
Speaker 2: Lisa. It's actually young Australians now, who you know previously
Speaker 2: might have wanted to change the date, but at least,
Speaker 2: according to this poll, are saying that January twenty six
Speaker 2: should be kept. What do you think about this?
Speaker 11: Yeah, eighteen to twenty four year olds and I think
Speaker 11: the figure went from forty eight percent Chowry up to
Speaker 11: fifty two percent now want to celebrate Australia Day on
Speaker 11: the day that we all argue it should be celebrated on.
Speaker 2: I agree with Liz.
Speaker 11: You walk into the stores now and there is actually flags,
Speaker 11: there is Australia Day material there, which they should be.
Speaker 11: And I think Woolworth's probably played a really big role
Speaker 11: in this, because there was an enormous backlash when they
Speaker 11: said that's it, we aren't going to do it. And
Speaker 11: I think the average Aussie wants to actually not be
Speaker 11: shamed to go, well, I can't celebrate the fact that
Speaker 11: I live in this great country. And from a corporate perspective,
Speaker 11: I can tell you a lot of boardrooms around this
Speaker 11: country agonized over whether we should be putting up social
Speaker 11: media posts celebrating Australia Day. Now, years ago, you would
Speaker 11: quite happily put up that cliche thole in the sand,
Speaker 11: it's Australia Day, we're all out for a barbecue, We're
Speaker 11: out with our mates. But then you had to really
Speaker 11: stop and rethinking who am I going to offend? That
Speaker 11: was the question everybody is asking behind the scenes, and
Speaker 11: I think a.
Speaker 2: Corporate Australia has been some of the worst perpetrators of
Speaker 2: this woke culture. All right, well out of time, Lisa
Speaker 2: got ed lisz Bag thank you both so much now
Speaker 2: after the break and other cringe worthy performance by Joe
Speaker 2: Biden reminding us so he's still the mad well for
Speaker 2: another week at least with the nuclear codes, Koshagada would
Speaker 2: join me after this quick break, welcome back. Well, let's
Speaker 2: turn to the United States, where Donald Trump has been
Speaker 2: dropping hints on acquiring Greenland.
Speaker 11: We need greenland for national security purposes.
Speaker 4: People really don't even know if Denmark has any illegal
Speaker 4: right to it.
Speaker 2: And Sky News contributor Koshagata joins me, now, kosher, great
Speaker 2: to see you. Look, how has Denmark responded and what
Speaker 2: do you make of Trump's aspirations here?
Speaker 5: You know, it's a classic Trump. He loves to showcase
Speaker 5: the art of the deal where this would be a negotiation.
Speaker 5: It's not something militaristic, it's not something in the nuts
Speaker 5: and balls. It's like big picture ideas, and it shifts
Speaker 5: the orbit and window of what might be possible. The
Speaker 5: US does have a long history of making land purchase
Speaker 5: agreements with dollars Florida from Spain, Louisiana from France, and
Speaker 5: actually the US Virgin Islands were purchased from Denmark in
Speaker 5: nineteen seventeen. So he's using that as a backdrop and
Speaker 5: trying to put this trial balloon out there. The response
Speaker 5: I think, you know, the leadership of Denmark and even
Speaker 5: some parties within Greenland have sort of been brushing it
Speaker 5: off and making fun of it. There are some polls
Speaker 5: suggesting that the people might be interested in it, and
Speaker 5: the leader, the Prime Minister of Greenland, actually just came
Speaker 5: out and said that he's open to discussion and negotiation.
Speaker 5: I think that's a start, So it'll be very interesting
Speaker 5: to see Trump laid out what the cases for the US,
Speaker 5: which I think is obvious. There's also a case for
Speaker 5: Greenland that you know, they're already being protected indirectly by
Speaker 5: the US. This would just make it more protective. And
Speaker 5: maybe there's more upside that they could share in that
Speaker 5: model for their mineral and resource richness that the US
Speaker 5: could help them develop at a better and faster pace
Speaker 5: than Denmark probably could.
Speaker 2: And there have been reports that there have been private
Speaker 2: messages and back channels between Greenland and the Trump team,
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes now. Meanwhile, Joe Biden
Speaker 2: has made global air waves because he says he could
Speaker 2: have beaten Trump, and he thinks even Kamala Harris could
Speaker 2: have beaten Trump.
Speaker 6: Have a look, I think I would have beaten Trump,
Speaker 6: could have beaten Trump, and I think that Karmala could
Speaker 6: have beaten Trump, would have beaten Trump. It wasn't about
Speaker 6: I thought it was important to unify the party.
Speaker 2: Kosher Kamala could have beaten Trump if one there was
Speaker 2: a way we could have tested that theory.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, he could have and would she could even
Speaker 5: would have, but they didn't. And you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: He's arguing a hypothetical, but nobody believes it obviously, and
Speaker 5: their track records, not only now in this race, but
Speaker 5: historically as well. They're not exactly the best campaigners that
Speaker 5: they've lost multiple things both times, and this time Trump
Speaker 5: was just a whirlwind that nobody could stop.
Speaker 2: What about this former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, he's said
Speaker 2: that Elon Musk is going to be out of the
Speaker 2: White House by inauguration day. So he's reportedly told one
Speaker 2: METEA outlet that he's not going to have a blue
Speaker 2: pass to the White House, he won't have full access,
Speaker 2: He'll just be like any other person. I mean, that
Speaker 2: might technically be true, but kosher Elon's been by Trump's side,
Speaker 2: so it seems unlikely he's suddenly going to be on
Speaker 2: the outer. But what do you think of this push
Speaker 2: by the true magas against Elon?
Speaker 5: You know, every movement has its alliances. Some are easy alliances,
Speaker 5: sum are uneasy alliances. And this tech right, as it's
Speaker 5: been called to Silicon Valley people that have by and
Speaker 5: large been more friendly to the left by every metric,
Speaker 5: and really threw down for Trump at this time is
Speaker 5: an example of that uneasy alliance. So that's typified by
Speaker 5: Musk versus Bannon, and these are people who've been in
Speaker 5: the trenches and they've sort of prison sentences and they've
Speaker 5: been canceled, and they're saying, hey, you know you guys
Speaker 5: are Johnny Completely's Your help was much appreciated, but take
Speaker 5: a backseat to us. You're sort of seeing that play
Speaker 5: out with the legal immigration debate, with the free speech
Speaker 5: debate a little bit, and I think that's kind of
Speaker 5: what he's signaling. But for now, you're right, Musk has
Speaker 5: definitely earned a seat at the table with the help
Speaker 5: that he's provided financially in every other which way, and
Speaker 5: those two seem to be joined at the hip. So
Speaker 5: I don't see that breaking anytime now, but anything is possible, exactly, and.
Speaker 2: It can't last forever that sort of romance. All right,
Speaker 2: Coach you gada. Great to see you again, and thanks
Speaker 2: everyone for your company tonight on our first show back.
Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. But for now,
Speaker 2: I'm sure the man you have missed all summer, Paul Murray,
Speaker 2: have a good show, Paul