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Speaker 1: for having me man with a name like that. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just

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Speaker 1: and they don't know what the point whe they're trying

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Speaker 2: I think sports always been part of my life. Mum

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Speaker 3: I suppose so.

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Speaker 2: I've got an older brother and you know, from earliest

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Speaker 2: but mainly just for fun and enjoyment, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Do you think that someone like you you had a

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Speaker 2: I think about the conscious effort that my parents would

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Speaker 2: So I think like they were very conscious of us,

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Speaker 2: And Mum worked pretty hard and long hours, but she

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Speaker 1: I really or something like that.

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Speaker 2: In some respects it was just a choice that they made,

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's one of the reasons why we've

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Speaker 1: Well, where does that come from? You do you think

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Speaker 1: From our audience's point of view, you're not just a

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Speaker 3: Well, I still don't know if I was trying to

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Speaker 2: So I feel like the universe took care of that

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Speaker 1: But that's probably every time too. That But a lot

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Speaker 1: But you're probably just more modest and honest.

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Speaker 2: Well, I, like, I don't think I can explain that

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Speaker 3: I intended it to.

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Speaker 2: So, like, how do you explain that in that particular

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Speaker 2: I've I've worked hard to put myself in that.

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Speaker 1: You've trained that shot.

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Speaker 3: So, as I said, like.

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Speaker 2: I love a challenge, I love walking into that environment

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Speaker 1: In cricket, we were playing a test mention you've got

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Speaker 1: a double hundred, would you say? But that's got nothing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And like what was it.

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Speaker 1: Like your mind? Boy, it's thoughtless.

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Speaker 2: In a lot of ways. It's really it's more intuitive

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's such a lovely frame feeling. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: So, so your mindset is you can pretty much clear

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Speaker 1: It nearly sounds meditatd but you really can clear everything out.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing else going on except the next ball.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much, yeah, or not even the next ball, the current.

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Speaker 1: Ball was the one that's about to be bold at you.

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Speaker 2: Like, I've tried meditating a lot, like in I guess

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Speaker 2: I find that exceptionally hard. But for whatever reason, like

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Speaker 1: Really, that's your meditation, I think in a.

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Speaker 1: Would you include in that, for example, in the nets

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Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love I love training probably more than competing really,

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Speaker 2: And I think it is that sense of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's both. I think implicitly, over a

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Speaker 1: Can I assu you? Do you remember prior to getting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not really because I kind of feel like I

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Speaker 1: Way like oh like if I get care.

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Speaker 2: No, but it's kind of like like I've got out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fiction, Yeah, we've vetted it.

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Speaker 2: That might not mean that you've had any like real

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Speaker 2: because you've scored one hundred, But someone could score sixteen

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Speaker 3: Win a game.

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Speaker 2: It's all contextual, I guess, and derived from that. So

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Speaker 2: I guess you know, often when I'm playing, you probably

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Speaker 2: think about that more more so like what's my role

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Speaker 1: For yourself to one hundred, which is for yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is very much so.

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Speaker 2: And that's not to say that you don't think about it,

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Speaker 2: because you'd be lying if you didn't. But I think

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Speaker 1: That's a fairly intellectualized thought process. About to answer the

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Speaker 2: I think I just like to derive deeper meaning from

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Speaker 1: Because you also said the hundreds of contrivance, it's a fiction.

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Speaker 1: It's been contrived as being as important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also understand why it's like that, and it's

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Speaker 2: like I need deeper meaning to things to find them fulfilling.

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Speaker 2: So if I was just chasing how many hundreds I've

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Speaker 3: Superficial kind of one.

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Speaker 1: Everything's bad to be no no, but it is around us.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's very well, today's very transactional, and it's

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Speaker 1: You know, what does she achieve? What did she get?

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Speaker 1: From a spectator's point of view, For our point of view,

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Speaker 1: Steve warm But that that's important to us. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: opposed to being an individual. I mean, how g I

441
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Speaker 1: was a golfer one off, you're probably bloody great golfer.

442
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 3: No, I'm I refuse to play.

443
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: Golf, but I'll bet you any money you'd be good

444
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: at it. You'd be good at hitting the ball, for sure.

445
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 2: There's something about individual sports that I've never found the

446
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 2: same level of enjoyment from, like I think, you know,

447
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that I did those things as

448
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: a kid, like I turned up to the start line athletics,

449
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 2: you know, or swimming across country, played some tennis, played

450
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: some golf when I was a kid. But I just

451
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,959
Speaker 2: never got any joy out of it, you know, I

452
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: never walked away from from those events with the same

453
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: sense of kind of like happiness that I do from

454
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: competing with the team. And I think by and large

455
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: that's because you're not really sharing. You can't share this

456
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 2: to the same extent, those feelings or that sense of

457
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: accomplishment when you work together to achieve something, or on

458
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: the same on the other hand, gone through like the

459
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 2: ringer together and had a really terrible day and like

460
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: need to pick yourself back up and have another go.

461
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: I think doing that by yourself I just always felt

462
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: really lonely and a bit hollow to me. I was

463
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: also like lining up on the starting line, you can't

464
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: be friends with the kids next year, like because you

465
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: want to beat each other, Whereas at least when you

466
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 2: walk out onto a field, you're friends with ten other girls.

467
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: You might not be friends with your you know. And

468
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: when I say friends, you know in that moment like

469
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 2: you know, you're fiercely competing against another team, but at

470
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: least you've got ten girls with you, So yeah, I

471
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: love that. I still love the fact that you've got

472
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 2: to take self responsibility, you know, as a member of

473
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: a team, and like do your role, but you're doing

474
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: it for other people as well.

475
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: Is there something that Elise Perry did or maybe it

476
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: was taught to do because you know, you guys get

477
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: access to psychologists and all sorts of help that you

478
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: did to just to bring yourself down in your mindset

479
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: and just conciderate that moment.

480
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's changed, like as I've changed.

481
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: I think it's probably more sophisticated.

482
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's just resonated for the period of changed for you,

483
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: changed for me. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you're I'm sure

484
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: sports like has got descated, but yeah, on a personal level,

485
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: it's definitely changed as I've changed, so that it's always

486
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: kind of resonated with whatever space or period of my

487
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: life or how I've been thinking has kind of been

488
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: so like I remember with We're scoring the double century,

489
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: literally the whole innings, I just said, watch the ball

490
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: and make good decisions, and that was kind of like

491
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: I didn't say that out loud, I just said that

492
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 2: in my head before every single ball, and that seemed

493
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: to just bring me straight.

494
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Speaker 3: Back to the present.

495
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: If I tried to say that to myself now, like

496
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have any resonance. But now I just take

497
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 2: a really deep breath and think about like a like

498
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: visualize a wave in my head, like washing away all

499
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: my thoughts.

500
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I love the orison.

501
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: I love being near the surf. So I've just had

502
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: this really strong image of a wave kind of taking

503
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: away any distracting thoughts, so that like I've just got

504
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: like a blank mind to focus on the present. But

505
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: I think I've gone through like a whole raft of things,

506
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, a lot of that stimulus just comes

507
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: from reading something or listening to something or someone else speak,

508
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: or just something really ringing true at the.

509
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: Time, which I love. Like I love that that.

510
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: Constantly evolves and that you learn new things and kind

511
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: of like it reshapes your brain and how you kind

512
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: of respond to things.

513
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 1: So neurologically, actually neurologically.

514
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, yeah, And I love I love

515
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: the idea of their finger thing. Anything that kind of

516
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: can just draw you back to the present and has

517
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: like a profound effect on that is really cool.

518
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's interesting, Like I know people who now

519
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: employ those sorts of techniques in business as well. Like

520
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: in business you get confronted with all sorts of tricky

521
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: sort of situations and being able to get the noise

522
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: out of your head, like like I look at people

523
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: like you. I mean I look at all sorts of sportsmen.

524
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: I look at you know which rugby leagues team to

525
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: go for? Your manly support paramount is? Oh my god,

526
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: yeah you're not, and all the beaches go yeah.

527
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: My mum and dad grew up in the west and

528
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: my dad, my dad taught it paramount of mars for

529
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: a long time.

530
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

531
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

532
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: So that they've had a couple of good games and

533
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of poor games. I mean they

534
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: not last weekend, but the week before they played really well.

535
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: But like you look at those guys going to kick

536
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: for a goal when like that two points are going

537
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: to make all the difference, and you think to yourself,

538
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: my god, the pressure, Like some of those guys are

539
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one twenty, so the pressure on you like

540
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: at that point, especially if it's in a Grand final

541
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: or something like that. And you know, like I wonder

542
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: to myself, what do these elite athletes do to control

543
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: to calm themselves down? And sometimes you see themselves taughting

544
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: themselves that you know, the camera zooms in on them

545
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: and they're like I want to they're saying a prayer,

546
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: they're playing, or they or they reciting some mantra. Yes,

547
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: I can do this, it's going to go right there, whatever, whatever,

548
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. And equally, I'm glad you

549
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: were able to explain. You know you right now you

550
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: say you have this way which just washes all your

551
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: thoughts out, and you think to yourself, I've got it.

552
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: In your case, I've got it. Do you think just

553
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: this is the shot I want to hit because I

554
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: can't imagine you can see the ball. I don't know,

555
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: can you actually see the ball? Can you slow the

556
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: ball down?

557
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: Well?

558
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 3: I think on the very best days.

559
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: Like that wave will come in and wash I guess,

560
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: like any kind of distracting thoughts away, and then I

561
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: don't have any thoughts. And it's amazing when you don't

562
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: have any thoughts what comes to you? And I'm certainly

563
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: not saying this happens every time I bat, but it's

564
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: almost like you know what ball is going to come

565
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: to you before it's.

566
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: Bold really yeah, and like because it might.

567
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: Be a millisecond before it comes out of the ball's hand,

568
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: but it's almost just this intuitive sense that like you've

569
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: kind of converged into like whatever the environment of the

570
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: game is and the energy that's kind of amongst the game,

571
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: and so it's like you're just a part of it,

572
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: like you're flowing with it.

573
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: Since like quantum physics or something, it's that you're getting

574
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: into the particle level that's weird, Like it's not weird,

575
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: but it's pretty cool.

576
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, like and I like, as I said,

577
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: those those days are rare that it operates at that level,

578
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: but like the it's almost like addictive, like that's why

579
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: you turn up every time just to try and experience

580
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: that again.

581
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: In a way, I'd love to experience that.

582
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: And I know I sounds super woo wo like no no,

583
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: no no is a sense of like unexplainable, and I

584
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 2: think it comes from like this ability to just like

585
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: exist in an environment without any like pre existing thoughts.

586
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 2: And it's amazing what your body and your brain is

587
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: capable of when you stop piloning it. But you can

588
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: only get to that point by piloting it for a

589
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: long time and working really hard and practicing things and

590
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: being really deliberate. So it's kind of like this duality

591
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: of like being so like driven and in control of

592
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: your preparation and then at some point, at the right point,

593
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: knowing when to let go of the reins and just

594
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: free for all.

595
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: Is it really just confidence as a result of the

596
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: amount of practice you've done, or is it actually as

597
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: the balls are leaving the hand, actually you're pretty sure

598
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: you know which way.

599
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: Is going to bounce, Like I don't necessarily know, Like

600
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: I think sometimes I think yes, absolutely, and other times

601
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: I think maybe not, Like.

602
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think that's what you think about it.

603
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you try and watch as closely as you can,

604
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: as silly as it sounds, but like, yeah, you try

605
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: and watch the ball. But I think some days it's

606
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: almost like I don't really need to focus on it

607
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: coming out of her hand because I kind of know

608
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: where it's going to go and whether that's just like

609
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: played this person a lot, I sort of have a

610
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: sense of what they're trying to do. Or it's like, yeah,

611
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: other days, you know, you're probably piloting a bit more

612
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: and you're really trying to make things work.

613
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Which one works for you better, piloting or non piloting.

614
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: The best days, by far are not piloting, right, But

615
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: the kind of the really cool thing is you can

616
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: still be super effective when it's not flowing for you.

617
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: Like as best as you'd like.

618
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: There's still lots of tools that you can use that

619
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: you might have to pilot a bit more, but but

620
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: you can still be effective.

621
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: And do it.

622
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Role you're in your mid thirties or something like that.

623
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: Now you've been you've been both, you know, been a

624
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: sports person for like all your life. You being at

625
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: the elite level. What happens from here? I mean, like,

626
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: where does someone like you go from here? I mean,

627
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: do you don't play cricket India? I mean, what's the deal? Like,

628
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean I've had boy cricketers here, like I know

629
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: what they do, but what are what are the women do?

630
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: What are the opportunities for you?

631
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: They're amazing now they are. Yeah, it's been truly phenomenal

632
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: really to see the growth and development of the game.

633
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot of those major franchise leagues that

634
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: the men play and are now available for the women.

635
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: So we've got the Big Bash here in Australia, the

636
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: WPL which is the IPL in India, and the Hundred

637
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: in the UK. So those three big leagues, like are

638
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: amazing opportunities and most of the top players will play

639
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: in those and there's lots of international crickets, so yeah,

640
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of phenomenal how often you can

641
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: be away of playing cricket now as opposed to as

642
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: I said, like when I first started, our captain Karen

643
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: Rolton worked for Australia Post most of the year and

644
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: just came away on tours.

645
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: She was opposed, she was on a biker side.

646
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: I think she sorted the mail in the Oh my god.

647
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's just yeah, it's sort of unfair

648
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: and some respects me. You think about it. We think

649
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: what they had to go through, what they had to do.

650
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, like I think all of us

651
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: have an incredible sense of gratitude to pay. Yeah, totally.

652
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: And I mean that's like anything in life. It's about timing,

653
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah, But yeah, like I mean to think

654
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: that that was maybe Asian or nineteen years ago, it's

655
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: not that long ago to seeing where it is now.

656
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: And it's certainly not objectively about the money. But yeah,

657
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: girls earning incredible wages more than kind of you'd ever

658
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: imagine in such a short period of times been phenomenon.

659
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: With Australian women's cricket is amazing in terms of our

660
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Speaker 1: global position. Do you think young girls are getting inspired

661
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: and motivated to take on the sport as a result

662
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: of what you guys are doing, not just the money.

663
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I really hope so. But I also really

664
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: hope young boys are as well. And that's resoundingly been

665
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: one of the coolest things I think in the last

666
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Speaker 2: like five or six years is whenever we play matches

667
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: is equally young girls coming to watch as it is

668
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: young boys. And for me, like in terms of a

669
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: generational thing, when when those kids are you know, eighteen,

670
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty and they're deciding what to do with their

671
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: mates on a weekend and it's been so ingrained in

672
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: them that elite professional women's sport is a great entertainment

673
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 2: product that they can come along and watch and not

674
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: think anything of That really excites me. So certainly from

675
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: the perspective of inspiring more young girls to be active,

676
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: whether that's in cricket or any sport that they want

677
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: to pursue. I've got no doubt that all the current

678
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: female professional athletes are having a huge role in that.

679
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: But I think it's it's kind of more than that.

680
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: It's like, I guess a societal shift to know that.

681
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: You know, lots of young boys growing up today are

682
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: going to be huge fans of women's sport and just

683
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: see it as completely normal that girls play whatever sport

684
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: they want to play.

685
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad you picked me up on that next year

686
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: because no, no, no, no, but I am actually but no,

687
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: I am. I'm really am because I thought about when

688
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: you start answer, I thought, Mark, you're better than that.

689
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: But it's good whether you didn't intention or not, it

690
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that what she said was correct. It's one

691
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: hundred percent correct. It shouldn't be looked at it any differently.

692
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: Boy crowds, girl crowds, and boy inspiration girl inspiration shouldn't

693
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: look to be any different just because a girl's doing

694
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: a female's doing it.

695
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: And equally, I think like young boys should have or

696
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: not should but if they wanted to have a favorite

697
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: female player and a favorite male player, and same for

698
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: young girls, like it's it's it's both sides of the coin,

699
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: which I think is true quality.

700
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: Did you have a favorite boy player and a girl

701
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: player that two looked up to us in both sports?

702
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: Well, I never really got to chance the chance to

703
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: watch the Australian women's creat team. I watched a little

704
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: bit of Australia women's football team and Ryl Salisbury was

705
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: my favorite female player, and Harry Keel is my favorite

706
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Harry player. And then I absolutely love Michael Hussey, so

707
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of him play.

708
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: What about other famous Australian sports women if we could

709
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: start with that, who have inspired you? You know, is

710
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: there any one famous Australian woman who's inspired you'll? Yeah,

711
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: So it's funny talking about a sport, you see it

712
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: bloody nervous.

713
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: About going, Yeah, I know.

714
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 2: So my mom and dad actually both swam.

715
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: They met, really they met at a swimming pool swimming competed.

716
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mum more so than my dad. But my

717
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: dad's dad was her swimming coach. So they've always loved

718
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: swimming and so growing up we used to watch it,

719
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: like I remember when Ray Warren was commentating on.

720
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: Triva Night and.

721
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like my earliest memories of watching sport is

722
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: probably the swimming and our swim team. And I just

723
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: used to love Susie. I thought she was just the

724
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: most quintessential Australian And yeah, we I think we were

725
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: actually at the pool the night that she finally they

726
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: broke the world record in the two hundred butterfly and

727
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: she got out and she did this like this dance

728
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: to celebrate, and I just remember, like, yeah, I just

729
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: thought she.

730
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: Was just phenomenal.

731
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: That was a nickname, Madam Butterfly.

732
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: Madam Butterfly.

733
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember it. I'm a big fan of swinging myself.

734
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: I do love swim because I just think, like I'm

735
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: only imagining, but to be an elite swimmer, like at

736
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: that level, it requires the hardest amount of work and

737
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: it must be one of the toughest sports intellectual mentally

738
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: to do because you're just going up and down the

739
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: pool looking at those broken lines forever.

740
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: I think that in rowing, rowingh.

741
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: My god, that's the worst. That's the worst exercise in

742
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: the gym, the rower. I hate to remember Brad Fittley

743
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: said to me that's the excise because I find it

744
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: quite grilling, and he's I hated doing it himself too.

745
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: There's probably the one you should be doing.

746
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably that in these days, the assault bike. Yeah,

747
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: like thirty seconds on that and I'm nowhere.

748
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: But what is your training look like? So what is

749
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: a let's talk about cricket now, but what does a

750
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: cricketer's training regime apart from the nets? What does your

751
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: training regime look like inter a fitness and what is

752
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: the level of fitness you you've got to achieve as

753
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: a cricketer.

754
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's evolved a lot over the years,

755
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: and I know there's sort of like some probably.

756
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, nostalgic views.

757
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: Of cricketers and their various athletic habits or like the

758
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: of but certainly like as the games avolve and the

759
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: modern game, it's and particularly in the in the female

760
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: space actually like yeah, we've got some amazing athletes and

761
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: the training for it is really enjoyable.

762
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: But like it's it's pretty well rounded.

763
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: But like a six am start stuff like that.

764
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: No, not really like the early morning so much, but

765
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: like the kind of long days I guess because like

766
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, being in the nets takes a long period

767
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: of time. But now I guess the addition of like

768
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: strength training is a really big thing.

769
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: That's a new thing, is it relative?

770
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: I mean relatively speak? Yeah, I think creaters spent a

771
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: lot of time in the gym now just because like

772
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: the games evolve so much, like you've got to be

773
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: dynamic and you know, like hit the ball further, especially

774
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: with T twenty and stuff like that. And then from

775
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: a fitness perspective, we play so regularly, so like being

776
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: able to back up as much as possible.

777
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: Resilient.

778
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, so like lots of running as well.

779
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, but I mean, like I think everyone

780
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: actually really enjoys that component now and like, yeah, we

781
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: spend a fur bit of time training, but it's I

782
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: don't know, I mean I really like that about it,

783
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: Like it's it's nice to always be active on tour.

784
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: Especially as you've been doing it for a long time

785
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: to get to a point where you think, I now

786
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: know I need to go back and do more training

787
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: in this environment. And when you're twenty you can do

788
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: you can do anything. You know, you don't get injured,

789
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: less injuries, just much more resilient. Do you think to

790
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: yourself today, especially the way the games evolved in create

791
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: for example, that your training regime should be different.

792
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: Esprobably as similar to what we're trying about in terms

793
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: of like the way you think about things or like

794
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: your approach psychologically out there, Like I think that changes physically,

795
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: it changes as you kind.

796
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: Of progress or get older as well.

797
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: So like I kind of think of the time that

798
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: I've been playing and the different focuses and approaches that

799
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: I've had to like physical prep has definitely changed as

800
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: I've gone on, and yeah, I'm probably now like at

801
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: the point in my career where like rather than like

802
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: being you know, ball out of a gate trying to

803
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: chase like really big gains, it's probably more about like

804
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: finding a space that like I just feel really good

805
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: from a movement point of view, and like I get

806
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: onto the field and like warming up's not a hassle,

807
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: Like my joints aren't screaming or something like that, which

808
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: is a bit of like an art to find like

809
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: the right level of like pushing yourself hard enough to

810
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: be like prepped and ready to withstand anything, but not

811
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: going too far. And I think with age you kind

812
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: of like find that balance, Whereas when I was younger,

813
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: I was like I would always take the option to

814
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: do more than than not. So that's probably been the

815
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: biggest change.

816
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: But cricket offers on one hand, you can look at

817
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: it like glamorous and opportunity, great opportunity to like travel,

818
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: But how do you how do you go with Like,

819
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, you could be playing in India for a

820
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: period of time and living over there and then you've

821
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: got to come back here. And I've talked to lots

822
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: of male cricketers who say it's not that glamorous and

823
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you don't want to get back

824
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: to the family, or they're living out of a suitcase,

825
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: et cetera. How is it for you? What do you

826
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: think about that?

827
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: I always think just how grateful I am to live

828
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: in Australia and how special a place it is. And

829
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: I think it's like one of my favorite things in

830
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: the world is like flying back into Sydney on a bright,

831
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: like blue morning and coming in over the harbor and

832
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: seeing like the sun out the window, and so I

833
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: kind of live for that moment sometimes because it's just

834
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: such a nice feeling. But I think you only kind

835
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: of get that understanding by going away and challenging yourself

836
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: in other environments. So like, I love coming home, I

837
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: love being with my family, but it's also nice to

838
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: get away and like you get a perspective on the

839
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: world and on life as well.

840
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: That's a mighty great answer, Like I mean, it's because

841
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: it's I'm mean, not trouble for business, and it's the same.

842
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: I love it when I'm just coming in over, especially

843
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: when I'm coming from the north side over the Harbor Bridge,

844
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: so good and you can and if I'm lucky enough

845
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: to be on a window, I can just stare at

846
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: the window and especially in the morning, it's so beautiful.

847
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

848
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: And then if you're on a Corners flight, I'm not

849
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: here plugging corners. They have no relationship with Corners, but

850
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: they remember they used to. Players still call Australia home.

851
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

852
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: Well, funnily enough, I actually did that this morning, did you.

853
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: I flew in from Thailand, and literally that whole scenario

854
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: is what you're describing, and there is something about it,

855
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: like it just yeah, like it's probably the most patriotic

856
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: I ever feel. Is kind of like, yeah, that kind

857
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: looking out the window on a Corners flight with some

858
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: kind of like backing track from some Australian artists and

859
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, yeah, like I know what it

860
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: feels like to be Australian.

861
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: There's a question I prepare for myself that I wanted

862
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: to ask you, and I hope you don't mind me,

863
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: probably you have sort of probably have answered it anywhere.

864
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: But when you think back on all your milestones, the

865
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: milestones that have meant something really important to you in

866
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: your life, like something that you've done in sporting world

867
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: that has been important in your life, what separates those

868
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: important milestones from all the other bits and pieces you've

869
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: done in your life. Is there one thing that you

870
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: remember that really separates all those you know, all the

871
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: other things in which you do thousands and thousands of

872
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: It's funny how moments we're celebrating tend to have a

873
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: few things in common. Good company, something worth toasting, and

874
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: something that makes it feel like it mattered. Seventy five

875
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: years of pan Folds Grange, once tasted, never forgotten. Now

876
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: let's die back in.

877
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Like sharing what I've been able to achieve with my firstly,

878
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: more than any anyone, my family, like my mom and

879
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: my dad, my brother has been like probably the most

880
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: incredible part of it all. As said, like dad took

881
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: me to the cricket nets and still did until very recently,

882
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: like four hours and hours and hours, and like we

883
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: never ever had a conversation about playing for Australia. It

884
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: was just about enjoying our time together learning. He was

885
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: a school teacher and like love sport. He coached all

886
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: the sporting teams at school, and it's just like a

887
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: passion of his that he's passed on to me. And

888
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: I guess, like every time I'm playing a game and

889
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: I spot them in the crowd, like, I don't think

890
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: it's a better feeling than that in terms of like

891
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: enforcing what I enjoy doing.

892
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: Would you spot them?

893
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, like fairly regularly. I mean the total creatures have habit,

894
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: so they kind of sit at the same spot. But

895
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: I've got little nephews now too, and like they come along,

896
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: and I guess like it kind of being you know,

897
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: like I'm the one that's really fortunate enough to be

898
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: out on the field doing it and living my dreams.

899
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: But I certainly don't feel like it's it's just me,

900
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: Like it's all of them out there with me, and

901
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: so like, yeah, I guess like without that, it wouldn't

902
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: be anywhere near as special as what it is to me.

903
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: So I feel I feel like, you know, whenever I

904
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 2: stop playing or miss that more than anything, it's just like, yeah,

905
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 2: sharing it with.

906
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: Them well amazing at least Perry, Like, thanks very much

907
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: for to be honest with you, Like not what I expected,

908
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: because I had no expectations of you at all, but

909
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: really thought provoking and to some extent inspiring conversation in

910
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: terms of the way you think about things. So like,

911
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: and I'm definitely not disappointed in anything you've had to

912
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: say today. Like everything you've had to say today is

913
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: made me think. Generally, speaking my interviews, I try to

914
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: get the guest to think about things they would not

915
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: otherwise have thought about. But everything I've asked you you've

916
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: thought about, and you've thought about a lot over a

917
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: long period of time, and so much so that you've

918
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: actually made me think. So I want to thank you

919
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: for the opportunity to talk to you today. I really

920
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I've loved the conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's been cool.