WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 31 July 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:07.040 On Scolus Oscodia. This is the Reader Panety Show. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.800 Good evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show. 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.080 Coming up tonight, I speak to an Australian comic taken 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:18.560 to court over an offensive joke, a new allegend racism 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.680 scandal at Collingwood Football Club. Douglas Murray will give his 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:28.120 verdict on Paris and that Kamala Harris Rebrand. Also joining 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.400 me tonight is Army Horowitz and Daniel Wilde and of 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.680 course left He's losing it tonight featuring actress and alleged 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.280 comic Chelsea Handler. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.320 I mean, my god, are we tired? 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:40.680 You? 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:45.280 Sad diet, mountain dew drinking, couch humping, dolphin portante fiscionado, 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.279 All of us childless, cat and dog ladies are going 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.920 to go from childless and crushing it to childless and 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:51.559 crushing you. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.520 In November, let's start with the biggest story in the 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.400 Ossie Rule States. Forget about the Olympic because it's all 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.040 about Collingwood Football Club being embroiled in a new racism 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.800 scandal with allegations against chief executive Craig Kelly, who stands 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.880 accused of joking about putting a live, effing possum in 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.120 a special room for Indigenous players, and calling an Aboriginal 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.440 elder a disparaging term. The allegations come from the club's 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:23.160 former head of First Nation Strategy, Mark Klever. Documents have 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.280 been filed with the Federal Circuit and Family courts. Michael 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.720 Warner reports that it's also alleged in these documents that 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.800 about halfway back to the office on or about High 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.720 Street or Hoddle Street, an Asian lady was walking across 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.559 the road nearing the middle of the road. 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:42.520 Mister Kelly swerved the. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:47.920 Car so it passed close by her, yelled statistic and laughed. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.440 There are also allegations that Craig Kelly said to mister Cleaver, 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.760 why do you need to use Google Maps? I assume 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:59.560 your people can navigate with their eyes closed, and earlier 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.360 during that troup, mister Cleaver, who documents detail identifies as 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.880 non binary and gay, allegience mister Kelly told him we 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:12.240 are taking my car. It's a real man's car. There 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:17.560 are several other allegations mister Cleaver is seeking compensation for 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.640 He is seeking compensation for hurt, humiliation and distress, and 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:26.400 economic loss Collingwood, though, is standing by its CEO. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.640 Here is a club president, Jeff. 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:36.880 Brown Mark's employment was terminated for unrelated to the complaint 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:37.520 that he lodged. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.639 His employment was terminated for other reasons associated. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:43.800 What were those reasons? 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:49.240 Dishonesty meaning dishonest conduct in what context? In a number 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:49.960 of respects? 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.320 Joining me now is Deputy Executive director of the Institute 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.040 of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild Dan, how do you see 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:02.639 this story? Collingwood is certainly ending by its CEO. The 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.600 president there said he was absolutely behind the CEO and 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.480 they were going to fight these allegations. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.520 Well, based on what's been reported, some of what's been 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.720 said is clearly out of bounds. I don't know the 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.200 broader context though it was said, if it was said, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.360 if the context and so forth is important, So I 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.280 don't want to get into the details of that before 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.520 we know, of course information, but there is I think 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.840 a broader point is why do football clubs have ahead 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.600 of indigenous strategy? You know, the issue here is that 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.880 identity politics has seeped into every single area of our lives, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:38.280 including sporting codes. Clearly, if there are issues of racism, 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:39.880 they need to be dealt with but we've talked about 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.400 this before. This is often used as a cudgel to 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:48.080 say that the systemic racism throughout sport and using football 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.080 clubs and other sporting organizations as a tool for politics 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:53.720 rather than just getting on the field and trying to 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:54.240 win the game. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:59.760 And AFL clubs, including Collingwood, have been fairly eager to 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.960 play politics. We saw that during the Voice debate. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:03.840 And they all took a position. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.200 I don't think anyone really, I don't think there was 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.120 a massive demand from their fan base to form a 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.240 position that they have been internally well, yeah, statistically, most 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:18.679 of their fans would have voted no. Speaking more broadly 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.360 about this issue and the media coverage, we saw some 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.200 major missteps and that's putting it kindly from the media 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.320 during their coverage of the Hawthorne racism scandal. Do you 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.039 think the media has learned from that episode and is 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.840 taking a more measured approach now? 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.000 Sadly not. I think the media has been implicated. They 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.240 were almost all in favor of the Voice to Parliament. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.400 You have a lot of activists that are in the 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.520 media rather than proper journalists. Now, there are some good 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.159 journalists that do a good job but by and large 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.160 journalism has become a tool for political activism rather than 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.400 factual reporting. They're very eager to jump on anything that 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.320 will support their narrative that Australia is a bad, racist, 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.880 backward country. And sadly sometimes that narrative gets out for 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.839 or they actually have a proper command of the facts. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.480 Absolutely, And as for the Collingwood case, getting back to that, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.280 of course, we'll bring you the latest as the. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.800 Matter is fought out in court. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.200 We are not passing any judgment whatsoever on those allegations. Now, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:20.239 let's talk about labor politicians piling on Nationals front bencher 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:25.520 Barnaby Joyce for comments they claim are inflammatory and worthy 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.280 of him being sacked. Let's listen to those comments first. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:34.159 These comments have enraged not only labor but segments of 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:34.640 the media. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:40.240 Your greatest power is organizing on a national level. And 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.960 your greatest weapon is to turn up in numbers in 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.680 camera in Macquarie Street, in George Street, in Queen Street. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.240 And the bullet you have is that little piece of 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.599 paper and it goes in the magazine called the Voting Box, 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:57.200 and it's coming up. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.520 Get ready to load that magazine. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:09.240 Go goodbye, Chris goodbye Stephen, goodbye Albow. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.080 He likened a vote going into a ballad box to 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.200 a bullet going into a magazine. And now Labor MP 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.839 and Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister Patrick Gorman is 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.120 calling for Barnaby to be sacked. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.240 This was some of the most extreme language we have 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.320 seen from an Australian politician in recent memory. It was 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.400 extreme language used by a senior member of Peter Dutton's 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.440 front bench. Extreme language used by someone who sat for 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.520 years on the National Security Committee. I'm not calling for 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.919 Barnaby Joyce to resign, I'm calling for Peter Dutton to 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:43.480 sack him. 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.800 This is une for David Little Proud too. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:46.760 Well. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.919 Peter Dutton is the leader of the Coalition. Peter Dutton 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.280 says that he will be a prime Minister who will 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.040 make tough calls. Well, this is the first tough call 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.679 that he needs to make if he thinks he should 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.039 be anywhere near a leadership position. He's just waiting for 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.839 the Nationals to give him permission. It shows how weak 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.080 he is and it shows that there is no low 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.320 standard that he won't let walk by. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.400 Daniel. Where does one start. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.880 Does the Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister not understand 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.160 that Peter Dutton can't sack a nationals MP and frankly, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.760 why would he want to over those comments. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.880 Well, Paul Patrick's having a hard time there. I mean, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.720 I've never really heard of him until that. To be 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.120 honest with you, I don't know what he's been doing 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.320 with this time. But Peter Dunt's not the leader of 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.240 the coalition. He is the leader of the opposition of 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.320 the Liberal Party. So it's a distinction that Patrick might 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.640 want to read up on given that he is in government. Look, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.200 the other point, the other point that I'd make is look, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.360 Barnaby's apologized for his language. It was probably a bit 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.520 over the top, but the fundamental thing he's saying is 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.680 there's a lot of communities in regional Australia that are 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.080 being steamrolled by the inner city elites and the energy 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.679 corporations who are putting solar panels, wind turbines, high tension, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.760 high voltage transmission lines across their land. And what Barnaby 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.160 is saying is you need to organize, get active, you 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.200 have to go and actually communicate your issue on a 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.520 national scale. The groups together because this is a national issue, 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.440 not just a localized, regional issue. So the substance of 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.000 what he was saying was spot on. But I think 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.559 you know, he's apologized for the bullet comment and probably 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.119 fair enough. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.000 Yeah, there's plenty of analogies you can make, there's other ones, 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.920 but I don't think anybody listening to that would have felt. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.280 Compelled to do anything unlawful. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.080 I mean, come on, what he I mean what Patrick 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.480 said that this is the most extreme language used or something? 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.760 What about what the Palestinian protest was saying it in 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.000 relation to October sees? 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.040 What about his own colleague up colleague up until a 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.560 few weeks ago saying from the river to the sea, 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:39.560 Palestine will be free. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.280 Did he come on stein complain about it? 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:42.320 Would have condemned that? 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:43.080 I don't think so. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:48.640 Now Meta's fact checkers are claiming that an iconic image 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:55.120 now Trump after his near assassination is an altered photo. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.960 You'll remember this image where he got up, put his 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:03.559 fist up, said fight. Absolutely outrageous but not surprising. Now 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.240 we've got a Facebook representative who has admitted this was 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:12.120 a mistake and apologized. But the so called fact checks 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:17.199 on Meta that's both Facebook and Instagram are highly partisan 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:21.360 and always Daniel in the one direction spot on. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.359 They're not apologizing because they got it wrong. They're apologizing 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.480 because they got caught out. And that's always the way 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.960 We've talked about this before with the fake fact checkers. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.640 The analysis we did the Voice to Parliament fact checking 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.640 was ninety percent of fact checking was against the No 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:37.839 against the No side, despite the fact that it was 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.520 the Yes side that was perpetrating misinformation and it was 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.360 our beneasy. He said, oh, this is just a modest 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.520 a small, modest request. Now you're changing the constitution along 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.240 racial lines. So look, this is the concern with misinformation 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.440 laws as well as we know the way that they 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.560 would be policed by people like e Safety Commissioner is 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.480 through these fact checking organizations, which, as you say, are 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.480 blatantly political and compromised and cannot be trusted. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:03.240 Oh. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.040 Absolutely, And if it wasn't for X and Elon Musk 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.240 buying X, we wouldn't be having an apology and withdrawal 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.720 of this particular fact check because they wouldn't be embarrassed 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.400 because that would also exist across X, like it did 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.480 in twenty twenty where they buried that New York Post 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.440 story on Hunter Biden's laptop. They worked in unison across 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.400 the board to suppress that story. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.480 Daniel Wylde, thank you so much for your time this evening. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:27.880 Thank you. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.320 My next guest is the author of international bestsellers, including 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.040 his latest The War on the West. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:35.240 Douglas Murray. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.640 The Paris Olympics are underway and the controversy around that 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.920 drag queen heavy opening ceremonies behind us. The French have 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.040 done their absolute best to present an idealic version of 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.240 Paris that you, arguing your latest piece for the Spectator 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:58.880 no longer exists. Indeed, you ask, will we always have Paris? 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.160 Well, that idyllic Paris does exist in the center, but 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.280 only as long as you have tens of thousands of 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:13.080 policemen and soldiers stationed on the streets. And I think 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.000 that this is something which not just France, but Britain, Australia, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.480 America and all other Western liberal societies have to think about. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.320 You know, there was a g had a cell that 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.760 was stopped just a few weeks ahead of the Olympics 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.760 trying to carry out and attack on the Olympics. A 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.240 number of other groups have been found trying to disrupt 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.800 it as well. On the opening day, there was a 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:39.720 massive and still pretty much underreported the story that happened 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.120 where some of the main power grids in France that 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.760 stopped that were helping the trains run, were all taken 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.720 out in a simultaneous attack by people who clearly knew 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:50.440 what they were doing. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:51.560 They grounded a lot. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.840 Of the of the movement of people in France on 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.480 that crucial day. And I think that it's a question 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.800 which Goodness knows, France has been a mule but has 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.440 not come up with many answers on yet, which is, 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.520 you know, what do you do when you have people 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:11.439 in your society who actually want to humiliate and embarrass 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.920 your country on what's meant to be it's proudest a 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.079 day and showing off its proudest achievements. Maybe it'll go 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.120 by peacefully, of course everyone hopes it will be. But 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.000 these are not good signs. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.120 Really, not at all. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.560 And even when you're a tourist in Paris these days, 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:36.760 it's hard not to notice the disharmony, the racial, religious divisions, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:41.600 the crime. The Australian Olympians were warned against wearing their 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:46.320 team uniforms outside the Olympic village due to safety concerns. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:51.240 So even with that enormous police presence, it's still an issue. Now, 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.440 let's talk about a woman who is undergoing a rather 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.800 dramatic rebrand. Kamala Harris is being presented by the Democrats 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:03.960 and the US media as a vibrant and visionary, completely 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.320 competent presidential candidate. Just look at the cover of this 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.319 is New York magazine. It's incredible, it is real. A 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.280 lot of people think this is some sort of a parody. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.920 There's Kamala sitting on top of a giant coconut, surrounded 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:22.120 by celebrating Democrat heavyweights Pelosi, Obama. You can see Beyonce 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.360 and George Clooney. I think there as well. Douglas, are 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.360 you excited for the Camelot era? 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.920 It's amazing what can happen in a few weeks, isn't 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.880 it reata? I mean when you and I last spoke, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.319 Joe Biden was still staggering on pretending he had another 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.800 four more years, four and a half more years in him, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.920 and everyone in the legacy media, with a few noble exceptions, 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.200 was saying, absolutely, this guy is the future. He maybe 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.120 eighty one, but he's the future. And we won't hear 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.360 any talk to the contrary. Now, of course, Joe Biden 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.280 is already the past and has been clearly unceremoniously ditched 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.200 at the behests of leaders of his own party, and 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.719 now the whole story has to change. So again, when 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.040 you and I last boat Rita Kamala Harris was one 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.400 of the most foot in mouth politicians of our era, 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.120 a person of very few discernible talents and who had 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:22.120 absolutely all the qualities of leadership apart from followers. And 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.360 now what a difference a few weeks makes, because now, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.800 of course it's New York Magazine and all those same 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.080 legacy media again with a few noble exceptions, are seriously 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.360 trying to push Kamela on the not just American public, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.479 but the world public as the savior of the republic. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.640 And it's quite a sight to behold. You know, these 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:51.480 are long weeks in politics these days. They're several months 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.000 until the election. Goodness knows what will happen in the meantime. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:15:01.120 But I reckon that this varmish and gloss and razmataz 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.520 that the Democrat loyal media trying to push is not 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.400 really going to stick. I think it's going to wear 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:09.560 off pretty fast. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:12.560 I think so. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.920 And at the same time, they've tried to bury what 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.560 happened with Trump and the attempted assassination. It's almost like 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:27.239 that has already been memory hold. And you would expect 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:32.040 so much more coverage and scrutiny about what happened that 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.640 day than many failures of the Secret Service and local 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.440 authorities to allow that to happen the way he did. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.960 But Douglas, there seems to be very little interest in 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.400 pursuing that story from the bulk. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:45.760 Of the media. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.120 Well, it's not just the story of that reta, but 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.200 I think it's the story also of what led up 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.560 to it. I mean, the only person responsible for this 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.000 so far as we know at the moment is the gunman, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.120 and his motives are still being looked into by the 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.480 intelligence services and so on. But the thing that strikes 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.440 me is, you know, in the run up to that 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:12.040 attempted assassination of former President Trump, leading Democrats including Kamala 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.560 Harris and Joe Biden were all again with their amen 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.960 chorus in the media saying, you know, this is going 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.480 to be the last election you can vote in. This 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.920 is a vote you know on democracy, This is an 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.680 election about democracy and whether we never whether we get 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.200 the chance to ever vote again. And by the way, women, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.680 you're all going to be sold into servitude, and all 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.400 of these white supremacists like JD. Vance and his wife 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.080 are all going to kill you all all the time. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.720 And they were doing that right up until the day 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:48.960 of the attempted assassination. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:50.160 There were a. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:55.960 Few hours of merciful silence and decency, and now they're 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.600 back at it again. They are back at it again. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:03.040 And you know, you and I have talked about this before. Rita, 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.520 if you think, if you think, and keep saying, or 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.919 keep saying and don't think, but just say it anyway. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.200 As I say that Donald Trump is Hitler and it's 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.359 going to be the fourth right if he gets a 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.600 second term in power, it's not surprising if somebody is 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.800 going to decide that the great fantasy of going back 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.359 in time and killing Hitler is now your opportunity. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:26.800 And you can do it. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.480 We know because this had happened in twenty sixteen, when 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.120 a young British man tried to seize a gun from 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.200 a policeman at a Trump rally in order to try 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:39.160 to shoot them. Candidate Trump, nobody toned down the rhetoric 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.560 in the years since. If anything, they ramped it up. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.240 And if this were any other scenario Rita, there wouldn't 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.960 just be a focus on the gunman. There would be 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.240 a focus on all the people that made these hyperbolic 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.280 and histrionic claims. For years and people will be saying, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.399 why don't we tone it down a bit, why don't 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.600 we stop pretending that, you know, Donald Trump and JD. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.399 Vance are white supremacist hicclerrites and just recognize there are 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.520 other Americans with a different vision of where we're going 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.480 in America and they need to be taken on for 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:20.040 their arguments. But no, oh no, the ability to do 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.680 that lasted a few minutes some Saturdays ago, and now 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.359 they're back at it, and I think it's shameful. For one, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.159 I don't think it's it's a discourse that should be 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.760 in politics, because at the end of the day, the 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.399 people who made those arguments have been in what should 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.040 be a much stickier position because they're saying, this guy 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.840 is hitler, but I'm sorry he wasn't killed. Well, good 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.600 luck holding onto that those. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.000 Two ideas at the same time. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.520 Good luck, And. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:53.159 You are so right that reckless retrick started within minutes, 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.320 literally within minutes. Some people held out for a few hours, 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.159 but they're all back at it now. In the Biden 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:05.359 administration being consistent, to say the least, when it comes 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.000 to America's support of Israel in its war against Haamas, 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.040 what sort of Middle East policy would we see under 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:17.000 a Kamala Harris administration. The Vice President gave us an 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.680 insight after her meeting with Benjamin Netting Yahoo. She told 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.879 the Israeli Prime Minister the war must come to an 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.240 end and vowed to not be silent about suffering in Gaza, 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.960 and in what CNN called a notable moment, Harris concluded 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.880 her remarks by telling reporters that the war in Gaza 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.320 is not a binary issue. 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.760 It is important for the American people to remember the 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:48.400 war in Gaza is not a binary issue. However, too 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:53.720 often the conversation is binary when the reality is anything but. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.200 So I ask my fellow Americans to help encourage efforts 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.840 to igno knowledge the complexity, the nuance, and the history 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:09.080 of the region. Let us all condemn terrorism and violence, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.760 let us all do what we can to prevent the 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:20.320 suffering of innocent civilians, and let US condemn anti Semitism, Islamophobia, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.159 and hate of any kind. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.720 Douglas, what do you make of those comments? 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:30.560 I mean, it's well, I mean it's, first of all, 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.760 of course, it's tip top advice from Vice President Harris, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.120 isn't it She said to Benjaminea who that the war 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.040 should end. I'm sure that's absolutely fresh to him. He 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.080 must be surprised that's never occurred to him or anyone 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:50.119 in his government. Everybody wants the war to end. But 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.720 you know, what is Kamela's plan to get back the hostages, 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.879 including the American hostages that are held by Hamaz and 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.880 other Islamic militants in Gaza. What's her plan to get them? 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.840 She's weirdly silent about it. What is her great expertise 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:10.600 in warfare or indeed in anything much to start lecturing 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.560 an ally that is at war with an enemy that 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:20.080 wishes to annihilate it, it's. 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:17.399 Astonishing to me. 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.920 I mean, if she wants to stop the killing, what's 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.840 Kamala Harris's plan for stopping Hezbollah launching rockets into Israel 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.880 like the one this week that killed more than ten 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:36.800 incredible young children. Drew's children from the extraordinary Druze community 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.879 in Israel. What's her plan to stop hez Buala rocketing 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:46.280 Israeli children when they're playing in a field in northern Israel. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.760 What's her plan? I mean, I'd love to know the 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.400 truth is I don't think she knows one of the things. 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.760 By the way, you can also always tell when somebody 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:59.320 really hasn't studied any complex issue. Is saying banalities like 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:04.120 this is binary issue. Actually parts of this are very binary. 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.000 You're either with Israel or you're with Hamas. You either 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.960 want Hamas to be defeated or you. 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.040 Want Israel to be defeated. You either want. 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.879 The hostages to be returned and Hamas to be destroyed, 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:22.760 or you want the Israelis to fail in their war aims. 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.840 And so no, sorry, that is binary. And if Kamala 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.080 Harris doesn't think it is, perhaps she could look to 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.960 her supporters, including the ones who were obviously enormously energized 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:38.399 by her decision to skip the Nettnya who speech the 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.720 joint Sessions of Congress in order to fulfill a very 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.480 important sorority speaking engagement on the other side of the country. 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.679 The people who took enormous courage from her stance and 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.159