Speaker 1: On Scolus Oscodia. This is the Reader Panety Show.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show.
Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, I speak to an Australian comic taken
Speaker 3: to court over an offensive joke, a new allegend racism
Speaker 3: scandal at Collingwood Football Club. Douglas Murray will give his
Speaker 3: verdict on Paris and that Kamala Harris Rebrand. Also joining
Speaker 3: me tonight is Army Horowitz and Daniel Wilde and of
Speaker 3: course left He's losing it tonight featuring actress and alleged
Speaker 3: comic Chelsea Handler.
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Speaker 3: In November, let's start with the biggest story in the
Speaker 3: Ossie Rule States. Forget about the Olympic because it's all
Speaker 3: about Collingwood Football Club being embroiled in a new racism
Speaker 3: scandal with allegations against chief executive Craig Kelly, who stands
Speaker 3: accused of joking about putting a live, effing possum in
Speaker 3: a special room for Indigenous players, and calling an Aboriginal
Speaker 3: elder a disparaging term. The allegations come from the club's
Speaker 3: former head of First Nation Strategy, Mark Klever. Documents have
Speaker 3: been filed with the Federal Circuit and Family courts. Michael
Speaker 3: Warner reports that it's also alleged in these documents that
Speaker 3: about halfway back to the office on or about High
Speaker 3: Street or Hoddle Street, an Asian lady was walking across
Speaker 3: the road nearing the middle of the road.
Speaker 2: Mister Kelly swerved the.
Speaker 3: Car so it passed close by her, yelled statistic and laughed.
Speaker 3: There are also allegations that Craig Kelly said to mister Cleaver,
Speaker 3: why do you need to use Google Maps? I assume
Speaker 3: your people can navigate with their eyes closed, and earlier
Speaker 3: during that troup, mister Cleaver, who documents detail identifies as
Speaker 3: non binary and gay, allegience mister Kelly told him we
Speaker 3: are taking my car. It's a real man's car. There
Speaker 3: are several other allegations mister Cleaver is seeking compensation for
Speaker 3: He is seeking compensation for hurt, humiliation and distress, and
Speaker 3: economic loss Collingwood, though, is standing by its CEO.
Speaker 2: Here is a club president, Jeff.
Speaker 6: Brown Mark's employment was terminated for unrelated to the complaint
Speaker 6: that he lodged.
Speaker 3: His employment was terminated for other reasons associated.
Speaker 1: What were those reasons?
Speaker 2: Dishonesty meaning dishonest conduct in what context? In a number
Speaker 2: of respects?
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Deputy Executive director of the Institute
Speaker 3: of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild Dan, how do you see
Speaker 3: this story? Collingwood is certainly ending by its CEO. The
Speaker 3: president there said he was absolutely behind the CEO and
Speaker 3: they were going to fight these allegations.
Speaker 7: Well, based on what's been reported, some of what's been
Speaker 7: said is clearly out of bounds. I don't know the
Speaker 7: broader context though it was said, if it was said,
Speaker 7: if the context and so forth is important, So I
Speaker 7: don't want to get into the details of that before
Speaker 7: we know, of course information, but there is I think
Speaker 7: a broader point is why do football clubs have ahead
Speaker 7: of indigenous strategy? You know, the issue here is that
Speaker 7: identity politics has seeped into every single area of our lives,
Speaker 7: including sporting codes. Clearly, if there are issues of racism,
Speaker 7: they need to be dealt with but we've talked about
Speaker 7: this before. This is often used as a cudgel to
Speaker 7: say that the systemic racism throughout sport and using football
Speaker 7: clubs and other sporting organizations as a tool for politics
Speaker 7: rather than just getting on the field and trying to
Speaker 7: win the game.
Speaker 3: And AFL clubs, including Collingwood, have been fairly eager to
Speaker 3: play politics. We saw that during the Voice debate.
Speaker 2: And they all took a position.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone really, I don't think there was
Speaker 3: a massive demand from their fan base to form a
Speaker 3: position that they have been internally well, yeah, statistically, most
Speaker 3: of their fans would have voted no. Speaking more broadly
Speaker 3: about this issue and the media coverage, we saw some
Speaker 3: major missteps and that's putting it kindly from the media
Speaker 3: during their coverage of the Hawthorne racism scandal. Do you
Speaker 3: think the media has learned from that episode and is
Speaker 3: taking a more measured approach now?
Speaker 7: Sadly not. I think the media has been implicated. They
Speaker 7: were almost all in favor of the Voice to Parliament.
Speaker 7: You have a lot of activists that are in the
Speaker 7: media rather than proper journalists. Now, there are some good
Speaker 7: journalists that do a good job but by and large
Speaker 7: journalism has become a tool for political activism rather than
Speaker 7: factual reporting. They're very eager to jump on anything that
Speaker 7: will support their narrative that Australia is a bad, racist,
Speaker 7: backward country. And sadly sometimes that narrative gets out for
Speaker 7: or they actually have a proper command of the facts.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And as for the Collingwood case, getting back to that,
Speaker 3: of course, we'll bring you the latest as the.
Speaker 2: Matter is fought out in court.
Speaker 3: We are not passing any judgment whatsoever on those allegations. Now,
Speaker 3: let's talk about labor politicians piling on Nationals front bencher
Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce for comments they claim are inflammatory and worthy
Speaker 3: of him being sacked. Let's listen to those comments first.
Speaker 3: These comments have enraged not only labor but segments of
Speaker 3: the media.
Speaker 8: Your greatest power is organizing on a national level. And
Speaker 8: your greatest weapon is to turn up in numbers in
Speaker 8: camera in Macquarie Street, in George Street, in Queen Street.
Speaker 8: And the bullet you have is that little piece of
Speaker 8: paper and it goes in the magazine called the Voting Box,
Speaker 8: and it's coming up.
Speaker 1: Get ready to load that magazine.
Speaker 8: Go goodbye, Chris goodbye Stephen, goodbye Albow.
Speaker 3: He likened a vote going into a ballad box to
Speaker 3: a bullet going into a magazine. And now Labor MP
Speaker 3: and Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister Patrick Gorman is
Speaker 3: calling for Barnaby to be sacked.
Speaker 9: This was some of the most extreme language we have
Speaker 9: seen from an Australian politician in recent memory. It was
Speaker 9: extreme language used by a senior member of Peter Dutton's
Speaker 9: front bench. Extreme language used by someone who sat for
Speaker 9: years on the National Security Committee. I'm not calling for
Speaker 9: Barnaby Joyce to resign, I'm calling for Peter Dutton to
Speaker 9: sack him.
Speaker 6: This is une for David Little Proud too.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton is the leader of the Coalition. Peter Dutton
Speaker 9: says that he will be a prime Minister who will
Speaker 9: make tough calls. Well, this is the first tough call
Speaker 9: that he needs to make if he thinks he should
Speaker 9: be anywhere near a leadership position. He's just waiting for
Speaker 9: the Nationals to give him permission. It shows how weak
Speaker 9: he is and it shows that there is no low
Speaker 9: standard that he won't let walk by.
Speaker 2: Daniel. Where does one start.
Speaker 3: Does the Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister not understand
Speaker 3: that Peter Dutton can't sack a nationals MP and frankly,
Speaker 3: why would he want to over those comments.
Speaker 7: Well, Paul Patrick's having a hard time there. I mean,
Speaker 7: I've never really heard of him until that. To be
Speaker 7: honest with you, I don't know what he's been doing
Speaker 7: with this time. But Peter Dunt's not the leader of
Speaker 7: the coalition. He is the leader of the opposition of
Speaker 7: the Liberal Party. So it's a distinction that Patrick might
Speaker 7: want to read up on given that he is in government. Look,
Speaker 7: the other point, the other point that I'd make is look,
Speaker 7: Barnaby's apologized for his language. It was probably a bit
Speaker 7: over the top, but the fundamental thing he's saying is
Speaker 7: there's a lot of communities in regional Australia that are
Speaker 7: being steamrolled by the inner city elites and the energy
Speaker 7: corporations who are putting solar panels, wind turbines, high tension,
Speaker 7: high voltage transmission lines across their land. And what Barnaby
Speaker 7: is saying is you need to organize, get active, you
Speaker 7: have to go and actually communicate your issue on a
Speaker 7: national scale. The groups together because this is a national issue,
Speaker 7: not just a localized, regional issue. So the substance of
Speaker 7: what he was saying was spot on. But I think
Speaker 7: you know, he's apologized for the bullet comment and probably
Speaker 7: fair enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's plenty of analogies you can make, there's other ones,
Speaker 3: but I don't think anybody listening to that would have felt.
Speaker 2: Compelled to do anything unlawful.
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, what he I mean what Patrick
Speaker 7: said that this is the most extreme language used or something?
Speaker 7: What about what the Palestinian protest was saying it in
Speaker 7: relation to October sees?
Speaker 3: What about his own colleague up colleague up until a
Speaker 3: few weeks ago saying from the river to the sea,
Speaker 3: Palestine will be free.
Speaker 2: Did he come on stein complain about it?
Speaker 7: Would have condemned that?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Now Meta's fact checkers are claiming that an iconic image
Speaker 3: now Trump after his near assassination is an altered photo.
Speaker 3: You'll remember this image where he got up, put his
Speaker 3: fist up, said fight. Absolutely outrageous but not surprising. Now
Speaker 3: we've got a Facebook representative who has admitted this was
Speaker 3: a mistake and apologized. But the so called fact checks
Speaker 3: on Meta that's both Facebook and Instagram are highly partisan
Speaker 3: and always Daniel in the one direction spot on.
Speaker 7: They're not apologizing because they got it wrong. They're apologizing
Speaker 7: because they got caught out. And that's always the way
Speaker 7: We've talked about this before with the fake fact checkers.
Speaker 7: The analysis we did the Voice to Parliament fact checking
Speaker 7: was ninety percent of fact checking was against the No
Speaker 7: against the No side, despite the fact that it was
Speaker 7: the Yes side that was perpetrating misinformation and it was
Speaker 7: our beneasy. He said, oh, this is just a modest
Speaker 7: a small, modest request. Now you're changing the constitution along
Speaker 7: racial lines. So look, this is the concern with misinformation
Speaker 7: laws as well as we know the way that they
Speaker 7: would be policed by people like e Safety Commissioner is
Speaker 7: through these fact checking organizations, which, as you say, are
Speaker 7: blatantly political and compromised and cannot be trusted.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And if it wasn't for X and Elon Musk
Speaker 3: buying X, we wouldn't be having an apology and withdrawal
Speaker 3: of this particular fact check because they wouldn't be embarrassed
Speaker 3: because that would also exist across X, like it did
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty where they buried that New York Post
Speaker 3: story on Hunter Biden's laptop. They worked in unison across
Speaker 3: the board to suppress that story.
Speaker 2: Daniel Wylde, thank you so much for your time this evening.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: My next guest is the author of international bestsellers, including
Speaker 3: his latest The War on the West.
Speaker 2: Douglas Murray.
Speaker 3: The Paris Olympics are underway and the controversy around that
Speaker 3: drag queen heavy opening ceremonies behind us. The French have
Speaker 3: done their absolute best to present an idealic version of
Speaker 3: Paris that you, arguing your latest piece for the Spectator
Speaker 3: no longer exists. Indeed, you ask, will we always have Paris?
Speaker 10: Well, that idyllic Paris does exist in the center, but
Speaker 10: only as long as you have tens of thousands of
Speaker 10: policemen and soldiers stationed on the streets. And I think
Speaker 10: that this is something which not just France, but Britain, Australia,
Speaker 10: America and all other Western liberal societies have to think about.
Speaker 10: You know, there was a g had a cell that
Speaker 10: was stopped just a few weeks ahead of the Olympics
Speaker 10: trying to carry out and attack on the Olympics. A
Speaker 10: number of other groups have been found trying to disrupt
Speaker 10: it as well. On the opening day, there was a
Speaker 10: massive and still pretty much underreported the story that happened
Speaker 10: where some of the main power grids in France that
Speaker 10: stopped that were helping the trains run, were all taken
Speaker 10: out in a simultaneous attack by people who clearly knew
Speaker 10: what they were doing.
Speaker 1: They grounded a lot.
Speaker 10: Of the of the movement of people in France on
Speaker 10: that crucial day. And I think that it's a question
Speaker 10: which Goodness knows, France has been a mule but has
Speaker 10: not come up with many answers on yet, which is,
Speaker 10: you know, what do you do when you have people
Speaker 10: in your society who actually want to humiliate and embarrass
Speaker 10: your country on what's meant to be it's proudest a
Speaker 10: day and showing off its proudest achievements. Maybe it'll go
Speaker 10: by peacefully, of course everyone hopes it will be. But
Speaker 10: these are not good signs.
Speaker 2: Really, not at all.
Speaker 3: And even when you're a tourist in Paris these days,
Speaker 3: it's hard not to notice the disharmony, the racial, religious divisions,
Speaker 3: the crime. The Australian Olympians were warned against wearing their
Speaker 3: team uniforms outside the Olympic village due to safety concerns.
Speaker 3: So even with that enormous police presence, it's still an issue. Now,
Speaker 3: let's talk about a woman who is undergoing a rather
Speaker 3: dramatic rebrand. Kamala Harris is being presented by the Democrats
Speaker 3: and the US media as a vibrant and visionary, completely
Speaker 3: competent presidential candidate. Just look at the cover of this
Speaker 3: is New York magazine. It's incredible, it is real. A
Speaker 3: lot of people think this is some sort of a parody.
Speaker 3: There's Kamala sitting on top of a giant coconut, surrounded
Speaker 3: by celebrating Democrat heavyweights Pelosi, Obama. You can see Beyonce
Speaker 3: and George Clooney. I think there as well. Douglas, are
Speaker 3: you excited for the Camelot era?
Speaker 10: It's amazing what can happen in a few weeks, isn't
Speaker 10: it reata? I mean when you and I last spoke,
Speaker 10: Joe Biden was still staggering on pretending he had another
Speaker 10: four more years, four and a half more years in him,
Speaker 10: and everyone in the legacy media, with a few noble exceptions,
Speaker 10: was saying, absolutely, this guy is the future. He maybe
Speaker 10: eighty one, but he's the future. And we won't hear
Speaker 10: any talk to the contrary. Now, of course, Joe Biden
Speaker 10: is already the past and has been clearly unceremoniously ditched
Speaker 10: at the behests of leaders of his own party, and
Speaker 10: now the whole story has to change. So again, when
Speaker 10: you and I last boat Rita Kamala Harris was one
Speaker 10: of the most foot in mouth politicians of our era,
Speaker 10: a person of very few discernible talents and who had
Speaker 10: absolutely all the qualities of leadership apart from followers. And
Speaker 10: now what a difference a few weeks makes, because now,
Speaker 10: of course it's New York Magazine and all those same
Speaker 10: legacy media again with a few noble exceptions, are seriously
Speaker 10: trying to push Kamela on the not just American public,
Speaker 10: but the world public as the savior of the republic.
Speaker 10: And it's quite a sight to behold. You know, these
Speaker 10: are long weeks in politics these days. They're several months
Speaker 10: until the election. Goodness knows what will happen in the meantime.
Speaker 10: But I reckon that this varmish and gloss and razmataz
Speaker 10: that the Democrat loyal media trying to push is not
Speaker 10: really going to stick. I think it's going to wear
Speaker 10: off pretty fast.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: And at the same time, they've tried to bury what
Speaker 3: happened with Trump and the attempted assassination. It's almost like
Speaker 3: that has already been memory hold. And you would expect
Speaker 3: so much more coverage and scrutiny about what happened that
Speaker 3: day than many failures of the Secret Service and local
Speaker 3: authorities to allow that to happen the way he did.
Speaker 3: But Douglas, there seems to be very little interest in
Speaker 3: pursuing that story from the bulk.
Speaker 2: Of the media.
Speaker 10: Well, it's not just the story of that reta, but
Speaker 10: I think it's the story also of what led up
Speaker 10: to it. I mean, the only person responsible for this
Speaker 10: so far as we know at the moment is the gunman,
Speaker 10: and his motives are still being looked into by the
Speaker 10: intelligence services and so on. But the thing that strikes
Speaker 10: me is, you know, in the run up to that
Speaker 10: attempted assassination of former President Trump, leading Democrats including Kamala
Speaker 10: Harris and Joe Biden were all again with their amen
Speaker 10: chorus in the media saying, you know, this is going
Speaker 10: to be the last election you can vote in. This
Speaker 10: is a vote you know on democracy, This is an
Speaker 10: election about democracy and whether we never whether we get
Speaker 10: the chance to ever vote again. And by the way, women,
Speaker 10: you're all going to be sold into servitude, and all
Speaker 10: of these white supremacists like JD. Vance and his wife
Speaker 10: are all going to kill you all all the time.
Speaker 10: And they were doing that right up until the day
Speaker 10: of the attempted assassination.
Speaker 1: There were a.
Speaker 10: Few hours of merciful silence and decency, and now they're
Speaker 10: back at it again. They are back at it again.
Speaker 10: And you know, you and I have talked about this before. Rita,
Speaker 10: if you think, if you think, and keep saying, or
Speaker 10: keep saying and don't think, but just say it anyway.
Speaker 10: As I say that Donald Trump is Hitler and it's
Speaker 10: going to be the fourth right if he gets a
Speaker 10: second term in power, it's not surprising if somebody is
Speaker 10: going to decide that the great fantasy of going back
Speaker 10: in time and killing Hitler is now your opportunity.
Speaker 1: And you can do it.
Speaker 10: We know because this had happened in twenty sixteen, when
Speaker 10: a young British man tried to seize a gun from
Speaker 10: a policeman at a Trump rally in order to try
Speaker 10: to shoot them. Candidate Trump, nobody toned down the rhetoric
Speaker 10: in the years since. If anything, they ramped it up.
Speaker 10: And if this were any other scenario Rita, there wouldn't
Speaker 10: just be a focus on the gunman. There would be
Speaker 10: a focus on all the people that made these hyperbolic
Speaker 10: and histrionic claims. For years and people will be saying,
Speaker 10: why don't we tone it down a bit, why don't
Speaker 10: we stop pretending that, you know, Donald Trump and JD.
Speaker 10: Vance are white supremacist hicclerrites and just recognize there are
Speaker 10: other Americans with a different vision of where we're going
Speaker 10: in America and they need to be taken on for
Speaker 10: their arguments. But no, oh no, the ability to do
Speaker 10: that lasted a few minutes some Saturdays ago, and now
Speaker 10: they're back at it, and I think it's shameful. For one,
Speaker 10: I don't think it's it's a discourse that should be
Speaker 10: in politics, because at the end of the day, the
Speaker 10: people who made those arguments have been in what should
Speaker 10: be a much stickier position because they're saying, this guy
Speaker 10: is hitler, but I'm sorry he wasn't killed. Well, good
Speaker 10: luck holding onto that those.
Speaker 1: Two ideas at the same time.
Speaker 10: Good luck, And.
Speaker 3: You are so right that reckless retrick started within minutes,
Speaker 3: literally within minutes. Some people held out for a few hours,
Speaker 3: but they're all back at it now. In the Biden
Speaker 3: administration being consistent, to say the least, when it comes
Speaker 3: to America's support of Israel in its war against Haamas,
Speaker 3: what sort of Middle East policy would we see under
Speaker 3: a Kamala Harris administration. The Vice President gave us an
Speaker 3: insight after her meeting with Benjamin Netting Yahoo. She told
Speaker 3: the Israeli Prime Minister the war must come to an
Speaker 3: end and vowed to not be silent about suffering in Gaza,
Speaker 3: and in what CNN called a notable moment, Harris concluded
Speaker 3: her remarks by telling reporters that the war in Gaza
Speaker 3: is not a binary issue.
Speaker 11: It is important for the American people to remember the
Speaker 11: war in Gaza is not a binary issue. However, too
Speaker 11: often the conversation is binary when the reality is anything but.
Speaker 11: So I ask my fellow Americans to help encourage efforts
Speaker 11: to igno knowledge the complexity, the nuance, and the history
Speaker 11: of the region. Let us all condemn terrorism and violence,
Speaker 11: let us all do what we can to prevent the
Speaker 11: suffering of innocent civilians, and let US condemn anti Semitism, Islamophobia,
Speaker 11: and hate of any kind.
Speaker 2: Douglas, what do you make of those comments?
Speaker 10: I mean, it's well, I mean it's, first of all,
Speaker 10: of course, it's tip top advice from Vice President Harris,
Speaker 10: isn't it She said to Benjaminea who that the war
Speaker 10: should end. I'm sure that's absolutely fresh to him. He
Speaker 10: must be surprised that's never occurred to him or anyone
Speaker 10: in his government. Everybody wants the war to end. But
Speaker 10: you know, what is Kamela's plan to get back the hostages,
Speaker 10: including the American hostages that are held by Hamaz and
Speaker 10: other Islamic militants in Gaza. What's her plan to get them?
Speaker 10: She's weirdly silent about it. What is her great expertise
Speaker 10: in warfare or indeed in anything much to start lecturing
Speaker 10: an ally that is at war with an enemy that
Speaker 10: wishes to annihilate it, it's.
Speaker 1: Astonishing to me.
Speaker 10: I mean, if she wants to stop the killing, what's
Speaker 10: Kamala Harris's plan for stopping Hezbollah launching rockets into Israel
Speaker 10: like the one this week that killed more than ten
Speaker 10: incredible young children. Drew's children from the extraordinary Druze community
Speaker 10: in Israel. What's her plan to stop hez Buala rocketing
Speaker 10: Israeli children when they're playing in a field in northern Israel.
Speaker 10: What's her plan? I mean, I'd love to know the
Speaker 10: truth is I don't think she knows one of the things.
Speaker 10: By the way, you can also always tell when somebody
Speaker 10: really hasn't studied any complex issue. Is saying banalities like
Speaker 10: this is binary issue. Actually parts of this are very binary.
Speaker 10: You're either with Israel or you're with Hamas. You either
Speaker 10: want Hamas to be defeated or you.
Speaker 1: Want Israel to be defeated. You either want.
Speaker 10: The hostages to be returned and Hamas to be destroyed,
Speaker 10: or you want the Israelis to fail in their war aims.
Speaker 10: And so no, sorry, that is binary. And if Kamala
Speaker 10: Harris doesn't think it is, perhaps she could look to
Speaker 10: her supporters, including the ones who were obviously enormously energized
Speaker 10: by her decision to skip the Nettnya who speech the
Speaker 10: joint Sessions of Congress in order to fulfill a very
Speaker 10: important sorority speaking engagement on the other side of the country.
Speaker 10: The people who took enormous courage from her stance and
Speaker 10: thought the history was behind them by turning out on
Speaker 10: the streets of DC as I saw with my own
Speaker 10: eyes shouting horrible slurs and among others black policemen who
Speaker 10: were doing their best to guard the Capitol that day,
Speaker 10: and shouting white supremacists at them, and then marching through Washington,
Speaker 10: DC calling for the annihilation of Israel and the annihilation
Speaker 10: of the United States of America. These people were burning
Speaker 10: the American flag on the streets of Washington, d C.
Speaker 10: So actually that is kind of binary. Are you with
Speaker 10: the flag burners or against them? I know where I stand.
Speaker 10: I wish that Kamala Harris made it clearer where she did.
Speaker 3: Now, Kamala, as you mentioned, wasn't there, But you were
Speaker 3: there as Benjaminetta Ya who delivered his speech to the
Speaker 3: United States Congress.
Speaker 2: You were sitting there next.
Speaker 3: To Elon Muska, right behind Noah Agami and who was
Speaker 3: rescued in June after being abducted by her mass on
Speaker 3: October seven, Did you have a chance to speak with
Speaker 3: her and also tell me about why Elon Musk was there.
Speaker 10: For Elon Musk and I were invited as guests the
Speaker 10: Prime Minister, and it with my enormous honor to sit
Speaker 10: there among the some of the hostage families, people still
Speaker 10: waiting for their loved ones to be returned, among families
Speaker 10: who have lost loved ones in Gaza, people who have
Speaker 10: had their relatives kidnapped and killed in Gaza. And also,
Speaker 10: of course the remarkable Noah. Yes, both Elon and I
Speaker 10: got a chance to speak with her. It was enormously powerful.
Speaker 10: I mean, here was a young, beautiful young woman abducted
Speaker 10: from the Nova Music. First of all, had obviously lost
Speaker 10: many of her friends, have been held for months in
Speaker 10: the most appalling circumstances, and was only released not through
Speaker 10: any act of nature or desire of call of Kamala
Speaker 10: Harris or anyone else, but by brave members of the
Speaker 10: IDF who went into Gaza extraordinary rescue mission to rescue
Speaker 10: her and three other hostages some weeks back. And of
Speaker 10: course a member of the idea F was killed in
Speaker 10: that rescue operation.
Speaker 1: She's a remarkable.
Speaker 10: Young woman, and you know, it's just when we first
Speaker 10: saw that footage of her being taken away in absolute
Speaker 10: terror on the back of a motorcycle, I think many
Speaker 10: people fear they wouldn't see her again. But you know,
Speaker 10: she's a remarkable young woman, and she's back back with
Speaker 10: her family and back with her loved ones, and I
Speaker 10: hope that happens for all the other hostages who are
Speaker 10: still being held and who the world seems to have
Speaker 10: forgotten about.
Speaker 2: Well, So, Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 10: This evening great pleasure, as always, reta thank.
Speaker 2: You still to come.
Speaker 3: And lefties losing it and Armi Horowitz takes a deep
Speaker 3: dive into all things Carmala.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Now it's time for lefties losing it and the affluent
Speaker 3: white female liberals awful for short. They are mobilizing for
Speaker 3: the Democrats, and they have a compelling message. I mean,
Speaker 3: who wouldn't be swayed by this?
Speaker 12: This is a message for every single person who looks
Speaker 12: like me, specifically white women.
Speaker 1: It's time.
Speaker 12: This is no longer about politics, and you get to
Speaker 12: write your wrongs of twenty sixteen when you didn't put
Speaker 12: a woman in the White House who was overly qualified.
Speaker 12: Now's your chance.
Speaker 3: Thank god I don't look like her, because I think
Speaker 3: that means I don't have to listen to her. But
Speaker 3: you white women, well sorry, but this is apparently a
Speaker 3: life and death matter, no hyperbole there.
Speaker 12: This is no longer about red versus blue. This is
Speaker 12: our lives that we are playing with. And the piece
Speaker 12: that you have control, Oliver, is who you vote for
Speaker 12: in November. You need to find a spine to stand
Speaker 12: up against the white men in your life who are
Speaker 12: telling you who should be your president.
Speaker 3: Yes, ignore the white men and listen to this white woman.
Speaker 2: Makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: And here is another totally sane white woman who has
Speaker 3: a message for America. Here is comic Chelsea Handless rant
Speaker 3: about jd Vance's childless cat lady comments.
Speaker 12: I mean, my god, are we tired you?
Speaker 5: Sad diet, mountain dew drinking, couch humping, dolphin portante ficionado.
Speaker 5: All of us childless cat and dog ladies are going
Speaker 5: to go from childless and crushing it to childless and
Speaker 5: crushing you in November.
Speaker 3: And here is another white woman, this time may Derange
Speaker 3: MSNBC contributor, claiming that jd Vance's comments are motivated by
Speaker 3: you guessed it, white supremacy. Here have any wants more
Speaker 3: white children?
Speaker 13: The stats are there more and more Americans choosing not
Speaker 13: to have kids, which again emphasizes why jd Vance's comments
Speaker 13: about childless Americans, childless Calaites could be so polically damaging.
Speaker 5: Well, so what's interesting is this is this needileism that
Speaker 5: comes from an authoritarian playbook, right, that there need to.
Speaker 2: Be more white children. Right, that's the idea that there's you.
Speaker 7: Know, this is about great replacement theory.
Speaker 2: Racism, right, this is what this is.
Speaker 1: So don't misunderstand it.
Speaker 12: For him wanting more children, he wants a certain kind
Speaker 12: of you know, racist thing.
Speaker 2: What can you say to that?
Speaker 3: Jd Vance is the father of three biracial children. His
Speaker 3: children are not white, you dim witted race baiting simpleton.
Speaker 3: And look, it's not just white women for Kamala. The
Speaker 3: Democrats have really embraced their segregationists past. And they've also
Speaker 3: got what they call white dudes for Harris. This group,
Speaker 3: and yes, they do look exactly as you'd expect. Don't
Speaker 3: you just love a white men only group created in
Speaker 3: the name of progress. Let's hear it from these wide dudes,
Speaker 3: starting with actor Jeff Bridges.
Speaker 2: I'm white, I'm a dude, and I'm for Harris.
Speaker 14: Over the last few years, you know, I've been thinking
Speaker 14: a lot about men.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you guys can recall that feeling
Speaker 4: you had on the night of Tuescay, November eight, twenty sixty.
Speaker 4: I stood over my kid's bed and I wept.
Speaker 3: He stood over his kids' beds and wept and ate cookies.
Speaker 2: It looks like ladies.
Speaker 3: If you think there is a crisis in masculinity, you'd
Speaker 3: be right, because you won't detect any in this group.
Speaker 10: In the marginalized communities that educate me every single day
Speaker 10: that this is a constant education for all of us.
Speaker 4: Kamala is carrying on her shoulders two hundred and forty
Speaker 4: eight years of pain, of agony, of hope, of frustration,
Speaker 4: And no matter how high she jumps, no matter how
Speaker 4: many degrees she has, no matter how good her grades are,
Speaker 4: she's never good enough because they're always moving the line.
Speaker 4: What a variety of whiteness we have here with like
Speaker 4: a rainbow of a beije man.
Speaker 13: I am scared to death of what the future could
Speaker 13: look like if we go back to another Trump administration.
Speaker 3: Now to the woman herself, Kamala Harris, you know, the
Speaker 3: Oakland born Californian who's Indian and Jamaican. Parents were both academics,
Speaker 3: one a scientist, the other a professor.
Speaker 2: This is how she normally speaks.
Speaker 11: We are all in this together, and your vote is
Speaker 11: your power. So please make sure your voice is heard
Speaker 11: this November and register to vote at vote dot com.
Speaker 3: That was Kamala on the set of a Drag Queen show.
Speaker 3: Here is Kamala in Atlanta talking to a mainly black audience.
Speaker 3: See if you can detect the subtle difference.
Speaker 11: And you are not just win in twenty twenty and
Speaker 11: we don't do it again in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's suddenly got some sort of a southern
Speaker 3: urban droll happening, and she's not bad at it.
Speaker 15: I said to the congressman, I didn't know he.
Speaker 10: Could preach like that.
Speaker 2: So authentic. There you would have spotted Terrence K. Williams,
Speaker 2: comic Terrence K.
Speaker 3: Williams that he is none to please with Kamala pandering
Speaker 3: to the black vote.
Speaker 2: Have a look at his reaction to her speech today.
Speaker 11: Because, as the saying goes, if you've got something to say.
Speaker 14: Girl, bah, you trying so hard to be black?
Speaker 1: When did you start talking like this?
Speaker 14: If you got fucked by say they say it, tell
Speaker 14: my face, Kamala, Kamala, stop trying so hard to pan
Speaker 14: dirt to black people and black people's faces, pretending you
Speaker 14: are something.
Speaker 6: That you're not.
Speaker 3: Oh, there was certainly plenty of pandering happening at the
Speaker 3: Atlanta rally.
Speaker 2: Here's Meghan the Stallion telling women.
Speaker 3: That if they want to keep loving the Kirby bodies,
Speaker 3: then they best vote for Harris.
Speaker 2: What and if you.
Speaker 14: Want to keep loving your body, you know you?
Speaker 15: Hey, buddy crazy, perfect place, Buddy crazy, perfect place.
Speaker 3: We've got plenty more lefties losing it to cover with
Speaker 3: my next guest, and Kamala Harris features again. She went
Speaker 3: from denying she was ever the borderzaar to bragging that
Speaker 3: she has a better track record on immigration than Donald Trump.
Speaker 11: So in this campaign, I will proudly put my record
Speaker 11: against his any day of the lead, any day of
Speaker 11: the week, including for example, on the issue of immigration.
Speaker 2: Incredible stuff.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is commentation and documentary filmmaker Army Horowitz.
Speaker 3: Army that message got cheers in Atlanta. Will it convinced
Speaker 3: independent voters? Kamala imagine what can be unburdened by what
Speaker 3: has been.
Speaker 13: No, it's gas lighting of the first order, although I
Speaker 13: guess because technically she doesn't want to use the word
Speaker 13: what to ban the word illegal immigrants. So basically, I
Speaker 13: make guess you can calculate that on her watch there
Speaker 13: have been no illegal people across the country. I guess
Speaker 13: by that math she might be able to win that argument. Look, Rita,
Speaker 13: you and I actually debated this a while back. I
Speaker 13: gotta be honest when it came to the border deal
Speaker 13: that the President tried to push through and then blame
Speaker 13: the Republicans of not taking. Yes, I know it was
Speaker 13: three years too late obviously, but I think that what
Speaker 13: the Republicans did themselves by not engaging or taking that
Speaker 13: particular border deal was it allowed the Democrats to do
Speaker 13: exactly what I said, then used that as as a cudgel,
Speaker 13: as enough of a policy issue to muddle the issue
Speaker 13: for independent voters when they say, look, we came the
Speaker 13: border deal, you said no, right, Just from that perspective
Speaker 13: a loan, it's creating a lot of problems for what
Speaker 13: should be a very clear win for the Republicans and immigration.
Speaker 13: I'll say this about Kamala Harris. So a man named
Speaker 13: William von Spronson, who was an Antifa radical terrorist who
Speaker 13: died in a fiery fight with federal agents, who was
Speaker 13: attacking an ICE facility in Washington State as an Antifa
Speaker 13: terrorist when he was killed. Bad as manifesto. Well, guess
Speaker 13: what if you look at what her policy prescriptions are
Speaker 13: for the border, it comes right after Wilhem von Spronson's manifesto.
Speaker 13: She wants to ban ICE, stop deportations. These are all
Speaker 13: the issues that the antifa radicals have been talking about.
Speaker 13: That's what the Republicans have got to hit over and
Speaker 13: over again that she is an absolute radical and she
Speaker 13: carries the yoke of the failure of the administration, whether
Speaker 13: you want.
Speaker 1: To call the borders are and not the borders are.
Speaker 13: End of the day, complete and total failure for the
Speaker 13: democratic administration. Fifteen million people across the border, which is
Speaker 13: in Australia's terms, more than half of your population coming
Speaker 13: across the border illegally, let's make that clear, and illegal immigration.
Speaker 13: While it has slipped slightly in national polls from two
Speaker 13: to three in some polls two, some polls, three in
Speaker 13: all the battleground states, it is still very solidly the
Speaker 13: number two issue in the country, number one, of course
Speaker 13: being the economy.
Speaker 3: Now, another area where Kamala is a performing spectacular backflips
Speaker 3: is energy policy. And fracking in particular. The Hill and
Speaker 3: other media outlets are trying to tell us the Vice
Speaker 3: President will not seek to ban fracking if she's elected
Speaker 3: president in twenty twenty four, but she's on the record
Speaker 3: saying she wants to ban fracking.
Speaker 11: I am committed to passing a green New Deal, creating
Speaker 11: clean jobs, and finally putting an end to fracking once
Speaker 11: and for all. There's no question I'm in favor of
Speaker 11: banning fracking. So yeah, and starting and starting with what
Speaker 11: we can do on day one around public lands, right,
Speaker 11: and then there has to be a legislation. But yes,
Speaker 11: and this is something I've taken on in California.
Speaker 2: I have a history of working on this issue.
Speaker 3: How important is this issue, particularly in those crucial swing
Speaker 3: states like Pennsylvania.
Speaker 13: Let me think about it. This yeah, really really important. Yeah,
Speaker 13: particularly Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is the second largest producer of energy
Speaker 13: in the country. There are tremendous amount of jobs tied
Speaker 13: to it. Additionally, what people really aren't talking about it's
Speaker 13: very much a union state and there's been a lot
Speaker 13: serious eroding of of union support among the the Democratic Party.
Speaker 13: Of course, it was, of course one of the biggest
Speaker 13: groups supporting the Democratic Party. You've seen erosion of that.
Speaker 13: Trump has made a lot of headway in that also
Speaker 13: soars JD.
Speaker 2: Vans.
Speaker 13: Frankly, it's an issue, of course around jobs. Look, you
Speaker 13: have to remember that as California Attorney General, Kamala Harris
Speaker 13: not only backed the batting of fracking, she actually sued
Speaker 13: the Obama administration for have federal fracking off the coast
Speaker 13: of California. And by the way, also she was a
Speaker 13: co sponsor of the Green New Deal, right, the most
Speaker 13: radical pol agenda, the greatest expansion of government that we've
Speaker 13: seen in a hundred years in this country. She was
Speaker 13: a backer, she was a co sponsor of it. So yeah,
Speaker 13: that dog ain't gonna hunt. When she now is trying
Speaker 13: to say, hey, I'm not wanning for president, so yeah,
Speaker 13: I won't support the banning of fracking.
Speaker 1: That's just not true.
Speaker 13: It's not her history shows and she will in fact
Speaker 13: do that if she becomes president.
Speaker 2: Well, as you said, it's her history.
Speaker 3: It's not just a position that she formed five minutes
Speaker 3: ago that she can back out of easily. This is
Speaker 3: in her DNA, this is what she actually believes in
Speaker 3: positions she's implemented in the past, so I think it's
Speaker 3: going to be a very hard sell. Indeed, now Harris
Speaker 3: is also campaigning on her record of being a tough prosecutor.
Speaker 3: They're trying to paint her as the law and order
Speaker 3: figure against a convicted Fellon Trump. But she was actually
Speaker 3: quite soft on crime when it mattered. In recent years,
Speaker 3: she's back BLM, she's back bail funds forring thugs, she's
Speaker 3: talked about defunding the police and reimagining public safety.
Speaker 2: And she's a San Francisco Liberal.
Speaker 3: How much ownership does she have on what is happening
Speaker 3: in San Francisco and in California.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I wouldn't say she has no responsibility. I mean,
Speaker 13: she was not only the chief prosecutor of San Fisco,
Speaker 13: which we've seen the city self destruct over the years,
Speaker 13: certainly while she was the prosecutor there, and she was
Speaker 13: the California Tary General, We've seen both Los Angeles, San Frasco,
Speaker 13: San Diego implode with crime and homelessness. Yeah, she has
Speaker 13: an involvement and responsibility in all of those things. I mean,
Speaker 13: she never as California Try General. She never forced California's
Speaker 13: immigration laws, which led to an overrun of the legal
Speaker 13: immigrants in the state of California. She over and over
Speaker 13: again decided not to use a death penalty, including the
Speaker 13: cases of someone who was a cop killer, a number
Speaker 13: one of the triple homicide. She was also there, you know,
Speaker 13: when somebody's trying to get a sex change and a murderer.
Speaker 13: She used taxpayer dollars to do that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 13: You know what I don't like is a Republican say
Speaker 13: she's an empty vessel. Right, they've been kind of there's
Speaker 13: been attack, they've been going on saying that she does
Speaker 13: whatever she can to to move ahead. I don't like
Speaker 13: that that that particular perspective because it really absolves her responsibility.
Speaker 13: She is, in fact a hard leftist. She has proven
Speaker 13: that both indeed and in a word, I think you
Speaker 13: you you kind of take some of the responsibility off
Speaker 13: her when you call her that. So uh, No, I
Speaker 13: think she takes a lot of responsibility for the problems
Speaker 13: in California and if you want to repeat of what's
Speaker 13: happening in San Frisco, yeah, elector as president.
Speaker 3: That's a very good point because I think that accusation
Speaker 3: is also pretty empty because they have Politicians will all
Speaker 3: cize things to get her elected. And I think that's
Speaker 3: really a damning allegation. If you hold her record against
Speaker 3: her voting record in the Senate, for example, that's pretty
Speaker 3: pretty poor in itself. Before you go, army, we've had
Speaker 3: reports today that Israel has killed a top her.
Speaker 2: Mass leader in Iran.
Speaker 3: Is Malhania was targeted and killed in Iran, according to
Speaker 3: a statement by the country's revolutionary god.
Speaker 2: And this comes army.
Speaker 3: Just hours after Israel killed a Hazbal military leader.
Speaker 2: It's most senior military leader.
Speaker 13: Yeah, and all I can say is thank God and
Speaker 13: God bless Israel for doing that. Isabel Hania was essentially
Speaker 13: the president or flash prime minister of the terrorist state
Speaker 13: of Gaza. Ironically wasn't living in Gaza. He was living
Speaker 13: in luxury in Qatar, as his people didn't have as
Speaker 13: they claim, these people don't have food. In fact, do
Speaker 13: have quite a bit of food that shipped from Israel.
Speaker 13: By the way, the only time I think in recording
Speaker 13: history that when you're at war somebody else, you're providing
Speaker 13: them with food and energy. But yeah, while they are
Speaker 13: are feeling the brunt of what he did on October seventh,
Speaker 13: he was living in luxury as a little rat in Qatar,
Speaker 13: and I think that ultimately we find out how he
Speaker 13: was murdered, I think will be one of the great
Speaker 13: stories and another legendary story to add to most sades
Speaker 13: storied history.
Speaker 1: So I'm very interested.
Speaker 2: That's gonna make it about killing.
Speaker 3: Him and will make an amazing documentary. Maybe you'll put
Speaker 3: it together. Ami Horowitz, Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: This evening always a pleasure still to come. Isaac Butterfield
Speaker 2: joins me, after.
Speaker 3: His big win against the Australian Human Rights Commission.
Speaker 2: You're watching the Raid of Pane. He's shown now.
Speaker 3: My next guest took on the Australian Human Rights Commission one.
Speaker 3: Eighteen months ago. Comedian Isaac Butterfield was taken to the
Speaker 3: Human Rights Commission over a joke he made on stage.
Speaker 3: The case has now been dropped in what he's calling
Speaker 3: a huge win for Australian comedy. Isaac joins me, Now,
Speaker 3: glad this ordeal is over for you. Isaac, But eighteen
Speaker 3: months of this legal issue hanging over your head must
Speaker 3: have been enormously stressful. And when it comes to the
Speaker 3: Human Rights Commission, it seems often the process is the punishment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was it was quite stressful and not knowing
Speaker 6: what will come of this interaction with the government body
Speaker 6: of which I know very little about. The Queensland Human
Speaker 6: Rights Commission sent a letter to my house. It came
Speaker 6: to my doorstep, you know, very professional. It was all
Speaker 6: this legal stuff. I was like, oh my goodness, here
Speaker 6: I am thinking on a comedian telling jokes when in reality,
Speaker 6: apparently I'm destroying people's lives. That's a lot for me
Speaker 6: to take on board, considering that I just do this
Speaker 6: to make people happy. But you know, it is what
Speaker 6: it is. Apparently that is the world we live in
Speaker 6: right now. And as a comedian, I'm very happy for
Speaker 6: this outcome because it does it leaves, It leaves somewhere
Speaker 6: for us comedians who like to tread on the boundaries
Speaker 6: of acceptable, somewhere to go.
Speaker 3: Well, you have got a huge following, more than two
Speaker 3: million followers on YouTube aloone. You've got big following on Facebook, Instagram,
Speaker 3: just about every social media side. Did you ever consider
Speaker 3: changing your approach, changing your content to avoid offending those.
Speaker 2: Who are well, some of them are desperate to be offended.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, I've been doing stand up for ten years and
Speaker 6: I've tried to write clean material.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm not clever enough, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it.
Speaker 6: I have no interest in it. And it's the I'm
Speaker 6: saying with content online, I don't have a TikTok presence
Speaker 6: because I've had about eight accounts taken down for commentary
Speaker 6: that I've made on certain political issues or issues.
Speaker 1: That are happening in the world.
Speaker 6: So there is a lot of people out there that
Speaker 6: are easily offended, and I just don't think that a
Speaker 6: comedy show or somewhere where you're going to pay someone
Speaker 6: good money to tell you jokes, I don't think that
Speaker 6: is the place that you should be. If you are
Speaker 6: easily offended, just don't go.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to it. If you don't like heavy metal music,
Speaker 1: don't listen to it. It's the same can be said
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 2: And there are plenty of PC comics.
Speaker 3: If you want to go along to a comedy show
Speaker 3: where the content is more to.
Speaker 2: Your liking, there's no shortage.
Speaker 3: But we are also seeing a research resurgence of bold,
Speaker 3: brave comedy. The very best comics in the world right
Speaker 3: now are unapologetically anti woke. You've got Ricky Gervais stage
Speaker 3: ship hell, the new breed coming through like so theo Whine.
Speaker 3: I know he's been around for a long time. Andrew Schultz.
Speaker 3: Is cancel culture dead or is it on life support now?
Speaker 3: Because a few years ago, just about all these guys
Speaker 3: would be buried with some of the content they have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is cancel culture.
Speaker 6: It is a cultural thing for these people who see
Speaker 6: themselves as progressive or easily offended.
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily work, though.
Speaker 6: When I get canceled, I get excited because it means
Speaker 6: I sell more tickets, because more people want to come
Speaker 6: and see me speak, and not because they're bad people.
Speaker 6: They just enjoy comedy, and they're there because they know
Speaker 6: that what I'm saying out of my mouth it isn't real.
Speaker 1: It isn't reality.
Speaker 6: I'm only there for one reason, and that is to
Speaker 6: say something to make you laugh, and that is it.
Speaker 1: To forget about your life for an hour, an hour
Speaker 1: and a half. That's it.
Speaker 6: I'm not there to impress anyone. I'm not there to
Speaker 6: change anyone's political opinion. I'm there to make you laugh.
Speaker 1: That's it. Nothing else. Now.
Speaker 3: One of your videos that did make me laugh, But really,
Speaker 3: I don't think see this as even Riskay, this just
Speaker 3: seems to be you giving good logical advice.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look. No, it sounds crazy, but trans
Speaker 2: women can produce.
Speaker 1: Milk, not a baby. Here's step one.
Speaker 2: You must grow your coconuts.
Speaker 13: After about three to five years of estrogen, you will
Speaker 13: have fully functional milk ducks from which you can feed
Speaker 13: a baby.
Speaker 6: Maybe you can also go to a grocery store and
Speaker 6: pick up a bottle of milk. So once your coconuts
Speaker 6: are grown, it is time to start producing milk. If
Speaker 6: you are a biological man and you produce milk, do
Speaker 6: not feed it to a child.
Speaker 3: Yes, I endorse that message, but that transactivist is one
Speaker 3: of my favorites.
Speaker 2: I've got to say.
Speaker 3: He features regularly on Lefties Losing It. You've got a
Speaker 3: lot of content to work with out there at the moment,
Speaker 3: don't you, Because the people share this stuff themselves on
Speaker 3: social media and it's rich pickings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is.
Speaker 6: There is a lot of interesting things to focus on,
Speaker 6: and we can focus on the more horrific things if
Speaker 6: we want to. We can talk about wars and stuff.
Speaker 6: But sometimes it's just easy to look at these people
Speaker 6: and go thankfully that isn't me, thankfully, that's not my life,
Speaker 6: you know, talking about a trans person producing milk to
Speaker 6: feed to a child. I don't know what people out
Speaker 6: there think about that, but anything to do with father's
Speaker 6: milk is not something that should be fed to a child.
Speaker 1: That's just my honest opinion.
Speaker 3: We don't have the e Safety Commissioner hear that, because
Speaker 3: she said today a.
Speaker 2: Tweet that said pretty much that.
Speaker 3: Isaac Butterfield, congratulations and thank you so much for your
Speaker 3: time this evening, and that's it from me. Up next
Speaker 3: is Newsnight. I'll see you tomorrow at eleven.
Speaker 2: Good night
Speaker 11: Eight