1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, February twenty Australia's ability to produce steel. That's 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: what's at stake in the South Australian government's decision to 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: force a huge steel works at Wyala into administration. That's 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: the claim from Premier piomal Anauskus. That story, plus all 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: the implications and the fallout, is live now at the 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: Australian dot com. Dou Death plus Paradise equals tourist Bonanza. 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: That's the formula of the glittering HBO global blockbuster The Whiteloaders, 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: which has already transformed the economies of Sicily and Hawaii 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: and is now zeroing in on Thailand. Today we explore 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: a cultural phenomenon with huge economic implications and meet a 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: generation of travelers unashamedly embracing a new kind of luxury. 13 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: What happens and Thailand. 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: Stays and Thailand. 15 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: One of our regulars was just asking me about you. 16 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: Really, he has a lovely girlfriend, but he seems interested 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: in you. 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: I think we call it plas we are not calling 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: the police. The White Lotus is back, featuring a murder, 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: a luxury resort and some Knochio's socks off scenery. That 21 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: means the setting, the Thai island of Kosamui is about 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: to become the world's hottest destination. We know this because 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: it's already happened to Sicily and Hawaii. The settings for 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: season one and two Boha, Happy to be here, run 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: our honeymoon is such valued guests. 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to the White Lotus. 27 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Whenever I stay at a White Lotus, I always have 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: a memorable time. Lois Welcome to the White Lotus. 29 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: In Cecily, The White. 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: Lotus is filmed in a four seasons hotel and it 31 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: has been great for business. There was a four hundred 32 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: and twenty five percent optic in website visits to their 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: Maui resort after the first season aired, and the same 34 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: thing happened again in Sicily after season two. The San 35 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Domenico Palace was booked up for six months when it 36 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: reopened after filming, and the effect spread well beyond the 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: original resorts. 38 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: They call it set jetting. 39 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: It's where people really want to relive their experiences of 40 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: watching TV, their favorite shows, their favorite characters, and seeing 41 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 3: it in real life. 42 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: The White Lotus is not the first piece of silver 43 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: screen magic to attract real life audiences. The Beach with 44 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio in the year two thousand, so much here 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: to inspires we're not going to jump, we get jam 46 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: sent millionians of travelers to copp In Thailand for its 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: azure waters and ivory beaches. Yes, yes, the deli from 48 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Harry met Sally, I'll have what she's having, the cupcake 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: shop in Sex and the City I. 50 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,559 Speaker 2: Have a crush. Yeah. 51 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: But the age of streaming has taken this to a 52 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: whole new level. Just ask the residents of Paris, who 53 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: are now seeing new hordes of gen Z travelers discovering 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: its charming squares and cobbled streets thanks to Netflix's ultra poised, 55 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: dressed up take on the American abroad in Emily in Paris. 56 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god. If you're like Nicole Kidman and La Roche, 57 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: you've got all of Paris fet. 58 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: So, given the travel inspired by cinematic fantasy is not new, 59 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: what's different about the way it's happening now? 60 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: I think that's a couple of things. One. 61 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: I think it's the power of streaming services. Everyone is 62 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: watching the same show at the same time around the world, 63 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: which never really happened before. And then there's also social media, 64 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: so people talk about what they've watched and then kind 65 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: of exchange memes and ideas and whatever. 66 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: It all takes off culturally. 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: And also the White Lotus came out during lockdown, so 68 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: I think people were really enamored with just getting somewhere 69 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: else that was not their laund room. And it was 70 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: at the same time as Emily in Paris and Bridgington, 71 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: so Bridgington was a bit obviously staged, but it's the 72 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: same principle, and I just think people really love going 73 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: to see where their favorite characters have been. 74 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: Milanderraut is the Australian's Deputy editor of Travel and Luxury, 75 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: and part of it is a generation who were very 76 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: keen to spend some time in an ultra luxury hotel, 77 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: wearing an amazing wardrobe and sipping cocktails by the pool, 78 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Whereas in Mayan Milander's generation exploring the world in the 79 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: early two thousands, it was all about trying to be 80 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: as authentic and low fire as possible. I mean, we 81 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: were unbear staying in stinking backpacker hostels in the most 82 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: grungey destinations we could find because we were showing off 83 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: to each other about how cool we were. 84 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: They want to properly live out the full television experience. 85 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: They don't want to just walk past the hotel or 86 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: even take a picture out the front of the hotel. 87 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: They want to stay there. And I think, again, it's 88 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: back to social media and people seeing things that they 89 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: never would have normally seen before. And I guess people 90 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: just deciding that they really want to save their money 91 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: and go somewhere, maybe for a short period of time, 92 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: but you know, really go somewhere really. 93 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: Nice coming up. Apart from the White Lotus character who 94 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: inevitably dies each season, what's the downside of this avalanche 95 00:05:45,480 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: of aspiration that's after the break? Every season of The 96 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: White Lotus somebody dies an awful death in that usually 97 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: happens in the first few minutes. But there's also a 98 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: potential downside for these destinations. Can you talk to me 99 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about that and how they balance the 100 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: excitement of being in a global phenomenon like this with 101 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: the reality of what it's actually going to be like. 102 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting you should say that I've been getting 103 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: press releases from the hotels that are featured in The 104 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 3: White Lotus for months now. Since it was kind of 105 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: leaked or announced last year that these hotels would be 106 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: part of it. They are really making a big deal 107 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: of it, so they're very much embracing it. 108 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: One of the themes of The White Lotus is the 109 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: disparity between the real lives of the people who work 110 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: in these resorts and the curated reality they provide for 111 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: their guests. You know, it's quite gritty too, isn't it. 112 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: The poverty of the staff in their actual lives juxtaposed 113 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: with the extreme wealth of the guests. How do you 114 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: think luxury is nowadays? Are thinking about that where maybe 115 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: once they were just racked with guilt. 116 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: I don't know whether they, but I think it's extraordinary. 117 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: These shows don't portray these guests in a particularly positive light. 118 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: You don't like any of them, but obviously. 119 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: We want their lives and the life cells they're living, 120 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: and we want to visit the places they're going to. 121 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: What do you think is ahead for Kosamui and how 122 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: do they manage the kind of volume of tourists who 123 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: they're going to get. 124 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: It's definitely something that they have seen before Thailand because 125 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: they had a huge problem with this after Leonardo DiCaprio's 126 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: movie The Beach, and they actually had to close Maya 127 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: Bay for a number of years thanks to over tourism. 128 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: And I remember the before and after pictures of the 129 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: before this beautiful, pristine water and stunning surroundings, and then 130 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: afterwards rubbish and boats everywhere. So I suppose the question 131 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: is how is Thailand now prepared to manage it and 132 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: the influx of tourists and the costs and benefits of that. 133 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Yeah, 134 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: do you think it's overall a good thing? Should Australia 135 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: be campaigning to be in The White Loadus? 136 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I think that. 137 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: I can imagine every country in the world is campaigning 138 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: to be in The White Lotus. 139 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: In fact, they probably did with the last series. 140 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: And tourism campaigns are now built around filming locations. Governments 141 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: are now helping fund productions they can film in their locations. 142 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: They make such a big impact on people when they 143 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: have such a reach in terms of culture, whether it 144 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: be like the White Lotus or even like the Bear 145 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: in Chicago. 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: People are visiting there now. 147 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: To experience the restaurants and the cafes and just be 148 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: on the streets where their characters were. 149 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: The land About is The Australian's Deputy editor of Travel 150 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: and Luxury. 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