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Speaker 1: Our lookers in the house.

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Speaker 2: Premier, Permi's so bad, Permi, that's terrible to sit aroun.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, guys, morning, How are you good? You've had

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Speaker 3: an early start this morning.

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Speaker 4: Oh not as early as you, but it's lovely to

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Speaker 4: see you.

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Speaker 3: What have you just driven down from Bendi?

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Speaker 4: Your No, it's sitting this week. So I'm in the

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Speaker 4: city for the week.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, you promised me regional bakery

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Speaker 5: delights next time you come in.

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Speaker 4: I've been in a city.

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Speaker 5: That's fine, you've been in the city. I'll give you

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Speaker 5: a leave past this time. But next time, this one,

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Speaker 5: next time you lose my vote.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's a big Okay, the team are on it.

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Speaker 6: They are.

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Speaker 7: Hey.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to say, as a parent of three young kids,

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Speaker 5: I was very happy waking up this morning and seeing

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Speaker 5: the news headlines regarding social media age limits.

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Speaker 1: Can you recap it for everyone?

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Speaker 4: So look, I'm a parent, but also I visit a

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Speaker 4: lot of schools, talk to a lot of kids, teachers, parents,

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Speaker 4: and then also you look at the evidence, right, how

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Speaker 4: are your kids sorry.

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Speaker 3: Ten and twelve today on social media?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is a big issue in our house. Big

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Speaker 4: issue in our house. We've actually stopped letting them use

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Speaker 4: YouTube because we've got to do that one click and

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Speaker 6: How do you do that? How do you stop them?

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Speaker 6: Is that just parenting you can put on? You have

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Speaker 6: to put a block on.

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Speaker 5: Really, honestly, the best way to describe it is like

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Speaker 5: watching drug addicts. Yeah, if you just said, don't go

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Speaker 5: on there. Like we've even had to go on and

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Speaker 5: the kids will wake up.

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Speaker 6: Logging on Middle and I.

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Speaker 4: And this is where I think it becomes a conflict

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Speaker 4: at home. It's kids and parents. You know, you've got

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Speaker 4: enough going on, you don't need to add that conflict

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Speaker 4: into home. And that's where the battle's got to be

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Speaker 4: against the tech giants. They have the means and the

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Speaker 4: measures to stop this sort of content being pumped into kids' feeds.

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Speaker 4: Now clearly they're not taking enough action. And the proposal

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Speaker 4: to look at putting in place a ban on social

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Speaker 4: media for kids under fourteen parental controls for fourteen and

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Speaker 4: fifteen year olds is just one step. Is one tool

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Speaker 4: in the toolkit to manage this inappropriate content being pumped through.

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Speaker 2: Is that what we're doing in Victoria. There is there

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Speaker 2: will be a band what is the age?

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Speaker 4: So it's moved a bit overnight and I'm really excited

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Speaker 4: to see that the Prime Minister is coming on board.

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Speaker 4: So South Australia have been doing some work. We've been

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Speaker 4: talking with South Australia. There's a proposed draft bit of

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Speaker 4: how to do it, not should we do it, but

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Speaker 4: how to do it? And then this morning the Prime

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Speaker 4: be a national approach, which is just fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Audio valbowap in this morning.

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Speaker 9: Well, what we want to do is to get our

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Speaker 9: kids off their devices, to get them interacting with real people,

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Speaker 9: having real experiences. And we know that social media is

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Speaker 9: doing social harm.

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Speaker 10: Premiut that's all good and well, but how on earth

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Speaker 10: do you make that happen?

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Speaker 6: How do you pullase look?

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Speaker 4: And this is a challenge And as I said before,

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Speaker 4: we know the tech giants have the mechanisms now to

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Speaker 4: deal with it, they're not and that is where the

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Speaker 4: proposal that we're wanting to go out and consult on,

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Speaker 4: which I believe might also be what the federal government

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Speaker 4: are announcing is to put the obligation back on the

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Speaker 4: tech giants, So you could have a regime of fines

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Speaker 4: who's signing up to their platform.

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Speaker 6: In regards to age verification.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: But parents still have to enforce it within their homes

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Speaker 2: as well, just wash the hands of it.

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Speaker 1: Saying we would have to show some sort of ID.

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Speaker 4: So the e Safety Commission has been working on an

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Speaker 4: age verification tool so it can be done. And there's

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Speaker 4: also a lot of the states in the US are

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Speaker 4: doing this as well. But going back to Lauren's point

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Speaker 4: about you're right, it will still become a conversation in

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Speaker 4: the home, but for the parents, it gives them another

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Speaker 1: To the kids, hours out of my hands.

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Speaker 3: These are the rules.

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Speaker 4: These are the rules. And if you think about we

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Speaker 4: banned mobile phones in schools a few years back, we

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Speaker 4: and that also got a really strong response from parents

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Speaker 2: And that's parents enforcements because as a parent, they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: I hate you, dad, sign me up.

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Speaker 1: And it's like me, it's not me, no offense, it's

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure if Killmore's in your electorate. Is it

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Speaker 6: just other stuff?

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Speaker 7: Yep?

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Speaker 6: So the father of a.

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Speaker 10: Teenager who took her own life, Jessica Clellan, this is

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Speaker 10: a horrible, horrible story. He wants He's welcomed this move, obviously,

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Speaker 10: but he wants a step further. He wants a curfew

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Speaker 10: imposed on teens or on kids using social media?

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Speaker 6: Is that realistic? And is that something we can also

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I'd be happy to have a look at it.

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Speaker 4: And I think again, this is where the voices of families, parents'

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Speaker 4: the consultation. And as I said before, I visited a

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Speaker 4: the age should be? And what's really interesting is whether

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Speaker 4: it's primary school secondary school kids they all say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: there does need to be a limit, and they all

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Speaker 5: Well, we were having this chat off the air before

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Speaker 5: you were right, and we all just sat here with

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Speaker 1: Have this at school. I'm so great, but school was

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Speaker 2: I grew up in a time where there was no

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Speaker 2: But I do wonder if that would have been different

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Speaker 4: And this is where the balance is tipped the wrong way.

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Speaker 4: It's doing more harm than good at the moment, and

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Speaker 4: I really want to speak clear though. There is good

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Speaker 4: on social media. You can find your community, your space,

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Speaker 4: your village.

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Speaker 1: Great poached eggs in your area.

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Speaker 4: That's all depending on what you want to do. It fine,

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Speaker 4: And so how do we get the good back?

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Speaker 3: What is social media?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 3: What do we talk about?

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Speaker 4: This is also something that's YouTube social media. Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: there's a few different The proposal is what's in and

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Speaker 4: what's out, and you everything's in unless it's decided that

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Speaker 4: it's not social media. Because there's a few platforms that

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Speaker 4: run through schools or the education. In the education space,

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Speaker 4: YouTube is an interesting one because it's more an app

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Speaker 5: Another problem with YouTube though, and I get quite emotional

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Speaker 5: But I've seen my kids absolutely change after being on YouTube,

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Speaker 5: Like we've had to ban their attention spand like now

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Speaker 5: they watch YouTube shorts. Where they couldn't watch something for

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Speaker 5: a minute a half, now they need twenty seconds.

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Speaker 6: So it's an addiction.

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Speaker 1: It's an absolute addiction.

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Speaker 4: When yeah, and I've had that experience too.

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Speaker 6: It's horrible, yep.

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Speaker 4: And you don't want to be in conflict with your kids.

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Speaker 5: The other thing, and parents all say to me as well,

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Speaker 5: it's bloody hard because you sit there and go, I

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Speaker 5: know I shouldn't be doing it, but here's the iPad.

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Speaker 1: I just need a break.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Is this bipartisan? Is the opposition on board?

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Speaker 4: Look, I hope so, I haven't. I haven't heard because

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Speaker 4: this is we announced this yesterday and there's been the

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Speaker 4: announcement by the Prime Minister this morning. But would I

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Speaker 4: matter where you're from, your family circumstances. It's a pretty

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Speaker 4: universal experience.

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Speaker 3: So when when is this happening?

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Speaker 4: So this is where we were proposing on consulting on

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Speaker 4: the legislation. The Prime Minister has indicated this morning. I

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Speaker 4: stop this at a state border. Well, now we're having

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Speaker 4: a national conversation and a national approach.

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Speaker 5: Shame on anybody who's against. Just quickly, I was going

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Speaker 5: to say, we want to lower the age, what about

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Speaker 5: kids who listening now, who have access to it, who

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Speaker 5: are say fifteen, How does it work?

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Speaker 6: And that's way to lose it.

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Speaker 4: We're going to need to talk to those kids.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'll have to be a phase out. There have

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Speaker 4: So that's where and again this is also now being

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Speaker 4: picked up in that national approach.

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Speaker 2: May be kids born after this year and then it

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Speaker 2: all slowly puts back for a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, Jason, we were talking before.

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Speaker 2: I would actually love to hear from some kids who

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Speaker 2: social media to say, do you wish you didn't have

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Speaker 2: it when you're a kid, because I'm grateful we didn't

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Speaker 2: have it. I'd love to hear from some youngy, late teens,

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Speaker 4: I share you a story? Because I asked these questions

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Speaker 4: of kids at schools, and I've got two, really two.

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Speaker 4: I remember on two occasions students who were sixteen, fifteen,

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Speaker 4: sixteen coming up to me and saying, I now know

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Speaker 4: the damage it was doing, and so I wish there

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Speaker 4: that where the evidence comes in. Kids' brains aren't developmentally

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Speaker 4: ready for that kind of content that's being pumped.

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Speaker 3: Through thirteen twenty four ten.

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Speaker 2: If you are in that age bracket, you'd like to

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Speaker 2: that kids will learn from. They're going to learn from

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Speaker 2: the twenty year old. They're not going to learn from

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Speaker 2: us oldies telling them what to do. But if there's

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Speaker 10: Is the most impressionable age totally, you know, and you'd

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Speaker 1: It is frightening. I get quite emotional.

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Speaker 1: Mate, I've had days rote. I'm just going to smash it.

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Speaker 2: There's technology and then there's social media, and they're too

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Speaker 1: What do you mean we're gonna go outside and kick

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Speaker 1: a football? Dad, Put on the screen, fresh air, Hang on, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Just center our and join us on the air THIRTI

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Speaker 1: twenty four to ten. We'll take your cause next.

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Speaker 5: A lot of parents will be waking up to good

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Speaker 5: news this morning hearing the government out to lower the

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Speaker 2: Lifting at yeah, to put a ban in place for

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Speaker 2: because I'm extraordinary, extraordinarily grateful that I grew up in

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Speaker 1: It is one of my biggest fears.

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Speaker 2: I think I was in year twelve when MySpace came in,

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Speaker 5: He was always he was always a little bit self indulgent.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Beller in Hampton Bella.

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Speaker 5: How old are you and how old were you when

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Speaker 7: I am twenty two and I was kind of I

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Speaker 2: It is scary, isn't And do you think do you

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Speaker 7: Like the bullying that transpired, like the hiding behind you know,

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Speaker 5: And then were people judgmental on posts as well? Like

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Speaker 7: One hundred That was such an issue too, Like even

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Speaker 3: Off like now, and I can't see how much that's.

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Speaker 7: Changed a lot, Like it was such a competition, like

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Speaker 2: Hey, Bella for young kids who might be on the

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Speaker 7: Would say it's not worth it. The I don't know,

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Speaker 7: like I just look at the access they have, the competition,

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Speaker 10: My issue here is that kids being told they can't

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Speaker 3: Rag to a bull, especially being told it.

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Speaker 10: Is regardless of how old you are. You know, kids

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Speaker 10: You know, how on earth, how on earth there's going

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Speaker 5: You know, you know why they want it, Clint, because

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Speaker 5: we'd be happy with an agelment and stuff. I think

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Speaker 5: They would love not the pressure that goes with doing adults.

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Speaker 3: I find it really full on at time.

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Speaker 1: I'm the same.

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Speaker 5: That's why you hear all the time everyone's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: Let's got a Nadia in Blackburn, twenty one years old. Nadia,

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Speaker 8: Good morning, How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Where do you sit it on this? Because you're still

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Well, I have an interesting perspective because I work with

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Speaker 10: So, given your work with kids, can you put an

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Speaker 6: Right now? Can you definitively say it should be sixteen?

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Speaker 10: Or yeah, I.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely believe it should be sixteen. There's even research that

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Speaker 5: You know the other bad thing I was going to say, Nadi,

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Speaker 8: No? I try as best as I cannot to involve

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Speaker 2: But I think like kids see us drink alcohol, and

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, I mean you even see it in their play,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how old are they are therefore, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: Kids do that.

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Speaker 6: And let's be honest, single chip.

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Speaker 10: And let's be honest. Yeah, let's not mits our words

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Speaker 1: It's awesome.

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Speaker 6: He's done a power of work here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he absolutely has. It's it's really impressive and it's great.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like we all said, we're so glad we

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Speaker 5: What he has caused the stress and the four out

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Speaker 2: Like social media is that it is, and and technology

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Speaker 1: There and you know what, it's killed a lot of others.

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Speaker 1: It really has. It's just gone a past eight.

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Speaker 2: Jason Lauren Jason Lauren Wake Up Feeling Good on No.

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