WEBVTT - Sharri | 5 June 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.159 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:05.519 This is Sharry. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:08.200 Good Evening. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.840 Tonight, Donald Trump issues a travel ban on twelve countries 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.760 in wake of the Colorado terror attack. It raises debate 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.439 about the security vetting of immigrants welcomed into the West. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.720 More on that, in a moment, accused mushroom killer Aaron 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:28.000 Patterson was grilled about fabricating a cancer diagnosis in court. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:28.360 Today. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.720 Sky News reporter Holly Sterns will join us later. A 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.839 University of Sydney conference uninvites journalist Samantha Maiden from speaking. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:43.400 I'll tell you their shocking excuse. Plus prominent Israeli author 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.640 an advocate Hen Mazik will be on the show live 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.000 from London. This after the White House caught out the 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.800 BBC or can the ABC be next on their list? 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.920 And the Azempit craze has led to concerns from medical 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.720 experts that it's turning people into zombies as they lose their. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.120 Appetite for life. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:09.720 We'll have that report shortly, But first, President Donald Trump 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.760 has slapped a travel ban on twelve countries. This was 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.880 partly sparked by the terror attack in Colorado, allegedly by 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:22.840 an illegal immigrant from Egypt. He was shouting and Zionists 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:28.039 when he then set multiple elderly Jews a light, including 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:33.560 a Holocaust survivor. Donald Trump said today that enough was enough. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.720 The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado has underscored the 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.440 extreme dangers posed to our country by the entry of 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.399 foreign nationals who are not properly vetted, as well as 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.840 those who come here as temporary visitors and overstay their visas. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.520 We don't want them. In the twenty first century, we've 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.960 seen one terror attack after another carried out by foreign 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:02.920 visa overstairs from dangerous places all over the world. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:12.200 Trump's controversial executive order bands travel from Afghanistan, Haiti, Iran, Sudan, Yemen, 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:18.839 mayanma Chad, the Republic of Congo, Libya, Somalia, Equatorial Guinea, Eretria, 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:23.720 and on. The President went on to explain that his 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.919 move was about protecting Americans. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.440 In my first term, my powerful travel restrictions were one 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.880 of our most successful policies, and they were a key 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.919 part of preventing major foreign terror attacks on American soil. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:43.320 We will not let what happened in Europe happen to America. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.119 We will not allow people to enter our country who 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:48.840 wish to do US harm. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.760 And this move is likely to be very popular, not 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:57.640 just with Trump supporters, but with Americans now. Quite bizarrely, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.120 I asked Trump's head of counter Terrorists, Sebastian Gorka, about 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.760 this very issue last night. I asked him if the 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.920 United States needs to be more careful. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.120 About who it allows in. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.119 Look, the suspect in the Colorado attack was an illegal 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.640 immigrant from Egypt. Why was he still in the country 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.960 and do you think the United States needs to be 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.480 more careful about who it allows in? 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:29.240 Leading question, Council, why was he here? Because for the 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.600 last four years under the Biden Harris administration, we had 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:37.000 no national sovereignty. Your viewers may find this hard to believe, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.800 but under Kamala Harris the borders are. They basically dismantled 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.120 our border. That's why we have events like Colorado. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.560 Now, We've seen a similar ban before during Trump's first 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.840 term in office. This is a hardline approach, and Trump 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.480 will certainly be called racist, But when you have the 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:03.440 legal immigrants from certain and countries allegedly committing crimes, including 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:08.280 terror attacks, it's understandable that this is the reaction. In 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.520 the New York Post, Miranda Divine reports that a clear 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.840 link has been established between illegal immigrants and terror. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.159 She writes. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.960 When Trump appointed Director of National Intelligence Toulsy Gabbard came 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.160 into office, she immediately ordered the National Counter Terror Center 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:32.279 to cross reference asylum applications from visa overstayers and illegal 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.840 border crosses with the database of known terrorists, and they 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:41.600 identified one thy two hundred illegal aliens with terror ties 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.400 who were allowed to remain in the US by Joe Biden. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.600 So it's probably a wise idea to be cautious at 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.880 a time when we are seeing terror attacks, when Hermas 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.960 is being celebrated on campuses, and there's a battle for 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.000 the values that we once went to war to fight for. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.719 Many politicians, including in Australia, seem to forget that their 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.920 first priority has to be to protect their own citizens, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.960 to keep their own citizens safe, not come to the 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:21.160 rescue of those in other parts of the world. And 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.839 this has always been the issue with Albanezi opening the 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:29.560 door to Gazans without proper security vetting. Even if those 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:34.479 citizens don't support humas they may hold anti Semitic attitudes, 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:39.520 it risks turning Australia into an even more unsafe place 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:44.320 to live. Police claim the alleged perpetrator in the Colorado attack, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.720 Mohammed Solomon said he wanted to kill all Zonus people 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.120 and wish they were all dead. 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.360 He yelled free Palestine. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.680 Now, this free Palestine movement is being used to normalize 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:03.880 and justify violence and anti Semitism. It's better to seriously 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.000 crack down on. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.080 It than allow it to flourish. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.440 Now, as you heard, Trump cites Europe, and Europe in 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.520 some parts has become unrecognizable. You can't argue with that. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:21.080 Some cities are no longer safe for everyone. And this 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:26.720 isn't just about nationality, and it's mainly in fact about values. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:32.800 It's ensuring we all share the same values. The left 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.000 globally seem to have moved to a position of completely 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:40.039 open borders, where immigrants who hate everything we in the 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:44.719 West stand for are welcomed with open arms, only to 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.800 then join mass protests against. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.040 Their new country and its values. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:56.160 And the truth is, if these sympathizers hate America and 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.240 the West so much, then why do they want to 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.480 live here in the first place. Now, I don't agree 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.280 with Trump's blanket ban of entire nations, but I. 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.760 Have no doubt we need to be far. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:15.080 More rigorous in our security vetting of individuals who want 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:19.200 to come here, especially those from countries which we know 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.600 are hotbeds of terrorism. You'd prefer to have a stricter 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:28.440 immigration policy then deal with terror attacks here in Australia. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.680 All right, A busy show tonight, but now let's bring 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.840 in tonight's panel. National Senator Matt Canavan and former State 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.720 Labor Secretary Cameron Miln are great to see you both, Matt. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:47.920 Donald Trump says that countries like Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Libya 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.440 and Yemen have all been deemed high risk for terrorism 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.520 and also for visa abuse. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.000 What do you think of his move today? 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.840 Well, for America, it's. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.480 Not privy to the kind of intelligence that Donald Trump 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.040 would be, so it's hard to double guests the decisions. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.120 But I fully support every country making their own decisions 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.880 on who comes to their own nation and under what circumstances. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.760 We've enforced that rule over the years, and I think 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.680 we're very lucky that we've been able to maintain strong 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.120 borders thanks to the action that former liberal and national 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.600 governments took, especially Tony Abbotts and John Howard. Thankfully, in 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:36.360 this country now that is the bipartisan position. Labor went 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.000 a bit soft after Kevin Rudd got elected, but this 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.120 time they haven't quite made the same mistakes, so long 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.960 may that continue. That's not the case in the United States. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.240 I mean, they've had this unbelievably open border in the 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.360 past few years. It clearly played a big role in 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.640 the election of Donald Trump. And as I say, it's 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.520 completely a matter for America how they decide to. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:59.480 Rule over their own borders. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:00.560 Yeah. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.200 I think that distinction you make is right that under 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.280 Biden it was just an open border situation. Cameron, though, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.559 what do you think about this battle for values and 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.520 just how we perhaps do need to be more careful 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.920 to make sure and not just values, by the way, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.680 but the laws that people who come to our country 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.960 or any country in the West will abide by our laws. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.080 That's right, and I think we have to have the 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.240 security checks. I think you're right, Shari. At the top 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.199 of the show, you mentioned the three thousand gardens who 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.040 are lead in with lack of security measures that we 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.840 all were concerned about. They might not be terrorists, but 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.600 they could be potential terrorists, and that's what we need 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.120 to know. With the security checks. So I think you're right. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.400 They need to share our values, they need to abide 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.440 by our laws, they need to love our country. And 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.400 I think if we have people from war torn areas, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.959 we need to recognize that there are Syrians who have 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.760 been persecuted by Islamic streamers that we welcome to our country. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.680 We welcome Christians as well to being persecuted by Islamic 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.200 authorities as well. So it can't be country by country. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.560 We need to make sure the security checks are done 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.280 and the people who are coming to our country share 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.280 our values. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:07.480 One hundred percent. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.160 And you know, I remember, maybe six months ago now 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.720 I reported one of the instance of one of those 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.640 guardsans allowed in and how on social media he had 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:22.360 shared posts supporting the paragliders sailing into Israel on October 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.320 seventy shared hermas content. So, you know, gain perhaps that 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.760 security vetting hasn't been up to scratch. And by the way, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.920 while we're on Trump, he's also today ordered an investigation 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.400 into the cover up of Joe Biden's cognitive decline during 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.880 his presidency. There was a presidential memorand hum that said, 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.239 this conspiracy mark's one of the most dangerous and concerning 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.760 scandals in American history, and Martin, I mean, you'd have 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.120 to say this is pretty objective now that there was 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.120 a deliberate cover up over this. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.000 Well, I suppose it's another example Shari of Thankfully Australia 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:03.400 has not gone down this judicial mixing of the judicial 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.200 and the political paths like there has been in America. Obviously, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.960 we saw the Biden administration justice officials investigate the former 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.280 president Trump, and now we're going to see seemilarly the reverse. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.560 I mean, I don't like it overall as a trend. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.040 As I say, I hope that stays out of our system. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.920 There should be separation between the two fields of contest. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.960 But there's no doubt here there is a scandal. I'm 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.600 just not sure it's best pursued by the executive government. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:33.160 But clearly the media and others conspire to cover up 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.439 the decline in Joe Biden's mental state. That probably ultimately 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.240 cost the Democratic Party more than anyone else because they 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.000 struggle to put forward a credible candidate there in the 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:47.880 end for presidency partly because of that cover up. So look, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.880 as I say, hope, I hope the courts stay out 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.520 of the political process again, it's a matter for America 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.640 how they run their system. But I quite like the 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.000 political system we have, and it's one trend in America 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.240 I hope we don't adopt. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.240 Now I'd have to agree with you, but I do 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.080 think there does need to be accountability when it comes 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.880 to this issue. I mean, normally medical issues would remain private, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.760 but when you're the president of the United States, when 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.560 you have that level of control and authority, well there 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.200 should be public disclosure. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.960 What do you think, Cameron, Well. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.280 And I was going to say, I agree with Matt. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:25.599 I mean, I think we don't want to see the 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.079 judiciary weaponized for political outcomes. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:29.480 And I think that's a great thing about our. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.000 System versus what I observe about the US, especially in 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.600 recent times. But look, I think that the saddest thing 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.960 here is that Joe Biden was actually a servant servant 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.880 of the United States. He did great things, and we 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.760 only now remembered for the last year or two where 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:48.840 he was seriously suffering from cognitive diminished cognitive abilities clearly, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.959 and they are physical as well, And the fact that 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.760 the staff looked like they cover that up for political gain. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.319 And then I think, as you rightly said that probably 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.640 damaged the Democrats' chances of actually having a decent president. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.280 You can come through. That's the scandal, that's what needs 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.960 to be investigated. It might not be conspiracy, but it's 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.920 an awful cover up of someone's medical condition that led 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.520 to the political outcome we've now seen. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.839 But also if there were medical authorities, if there were 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.480 doctors who agreed to keep this silent but knew about it, 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.240 perhaps there's an argument that they had a public duty 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:21.600 to tell. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:22.240 Someone about it. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.440 So there are I think ethical questions dilemmas here. It's 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.520 not so clear cut, although I do agree with you. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.280 We've all watch Twist Swing though, haven't we. 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.840 Indeed, we have watched westeringram Shure. It's all of our 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:40.120 favorite old television shows. Gue Now federal labor is being urged, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.679 as in the Albanezy government is being urged to scrap 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.920 at least the size of its cigarette tax. Experts are 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.240 our concern that it's fueling this violent black market. We 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.640 even saw the premiere in New South Wales Chris Mins 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.040 come out this week. He spoke pretty strongly about the issue. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.080 But then we heard Treasurer Jim Chalmers say that he's 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.160 definitely not making cigarettes cheaper. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:06.080 Have a look, I respectfully disagree with Chris. He's a 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.760 friend of mine, I work closely with Premiere Mins. I 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.600 don't think the answer here is to make cigarettes cheaper 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.800 for people. I think the answer here is to get 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:15.880 better at compliance. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.880 Matt, this is becoming a major issue, the black market, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.000 the illegal importation, the crime. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:24.520 What do you think is the solution. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.040 Well, look, I think Chris Mins is espousing common sense here. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.080 I'll be fair. This is a problem created by the 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.240 Albanesi government to this high excise on the high exie 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.360 on tobacco was there before Anthony Albanezi came in, but 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.600 the problem has been problem has gotten worse in the 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.280 last few years, and it is the responsibility of any 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.800 government to respond to things that aren't working well and 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.240 try and fix them. The facts are that we've had 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.240 almost a harving of tobacco xcise revenue in the last 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.280 few years. We certainly haven't had a harving of smoking rates. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:06.840 So what's happening happening is otherwise legal, law abiding Australian 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.640 citizens effectively going into a black market because they just 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:11.920 can't afford to buy cigarets. 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:12.840 They are over fifty. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.160 Dollars a pack now and no one can really afford that. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.760 So cigarette smoke is invariably going to the illegal market 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.560 that is then funding organized crime is country, and I 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.720 am convinced that a big part of the outbreak of 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.560 crime we have seen in Australia in the last few years, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:32.720 beyond just the legal tobacco market, is because of the 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.320 funds that have flown in like rivers of gold to 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.640 organize crime thanks to this black market. So clearly, when 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.800 we've got something like this, we should change the policy 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.040 settings at least look at it. Don't be stubborn and 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.280 pig headed. Look at this. Maybe a reduction of the 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.000 xoz rate would be best. It actually might raise more 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.600 revenue and kill off these criminal syndicates that are being 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:53.280 funded by it. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.920 There was one example, Aaron Patrick in The Nightly wrote 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.480 about this and he said that on Tuesday was police 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:06.320 Botiface and the AFP intercepted an importation and among the 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.560 stash were twenty million cigarettes. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.200 Twenty million cigarettes. I mean, Cameron, you to. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.880 Remember a time when there was illegal drugs, not cigarettes, 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:22.400 being reported, so that unquestionably there's an issue here. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.600 The answer is not so simple. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.560 It isn't and it's complex, but I think we do 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.200 need to spend more and more on prevention, more on policing, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.280 and more on preventative healthcare as well. But you're right. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.200 I mean the danger is the tax is so large 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.760 now it creates a natural in ceding for organized crime 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.440 to chase that revenue stream. And I think that's the problem, 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.520 and I think we need to have an open discussion. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.240 And I think Premier Men's is right. He's seeing it 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.160 on the streets in his own city, the crime wave 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.880 driven by illegal and chop chopped tobacco and people using 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:58.479 the tax revenue as an incentive to produce this black market. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:03.520 And casting tens of millions of dollars in policing and compliance. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.920 I want to go to this fascinating story. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:07.400 There's a major issue. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.000 I mean, flight paths are always controversial, but there's now 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.520 a major issue of flight parts at night to the 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.920 new Western Sydney Airport and there are accusations of pork barreling. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.440 This is a story on sky News Digital Today and 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.480 sky News revealed that the Albanezy government's directive to prioritize 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:30.200 noise abatement in labor electriate surrounding Western Sydney International Airport 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:35.399 has triggered warnings from aviation experts, and one expert, Captain 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.520 Byron Bailey, called the new runway the whole plan. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:40.280 Fascicle. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.719 Have a look, it's very unrealistic. It's going to be 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.480 very mess missy for you traffic control when you were 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.200 the reciprocal runway operation is what gets me. I mean 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.720 you have a wind blowing from say the Southwest roadway 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.080 two three in use be days sign in. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.400 I mean, Matt, if this is true, and I mean, 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.560 can it really be true? Surely the Albanezy government wouldn't 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.160 do something so ridiculous as to design the flight bards 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.159 to avoid labor electorates. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.200 Look, I definitely think there's something that needs to be 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.520 looked into here, Shari. I did share an inquiry last 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.240 year into flight paths right across Australia. We did hold 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.080 hearings out Western Sydney. There are a lot of residents 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.159 they're concerned about the design of these flight pars. I 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.800 respectfully disagree with Captain Bailey. I think his name was there. Yes, Look, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.520 reciprocal runway operations do occur all around Australia. They are 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.159 a common feature in the Brisbane Airport at night. The 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.400 key is that they're only used in low traffic periods 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.560 and they are of course only used when the winds 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.000 of conditions allow for them to safely be done. My 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.360 understanding what the government has said here is if they 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.119 will impose those same conditions on Western Sydney's exists in 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.439 Brisbane and other airports. The issue though, is that when 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:03.280 the flight parts were redesigned late last year, they seemingly, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.960 just quite surprisingly, seemed to center all over Lindsay, the 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.720 elector of Lindsay, which was held by the Liberal National Party, 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.800 a liberal party in New South Wales, and avoided a 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.359 lot of the Labor electorates. So I think some serious 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.399 questions have to be asked about the design of these 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.280 flight paths because they shouldn't be corrupted by the political process. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.480 They need to be done obviously for safety first, but 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.760 also for efficiency and allowing as many residents as possible 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.480 to sleep at night. People should not be interrupted unnecessarily 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:37.600 from their own quite enjoyment of their homes. Notwithstanding, of course, 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.440 we need things like airports to operate. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:41.000 Now. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.960 The Prime Minister has for a long time, I mean 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.199 dating back over a decade been very involved in this 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.760 project and setting up a second international airport in Sydney, 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.720 and actually it put him at loggerheads with Ed Husick, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.240 a local MP who was. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:57.800 Actually against the airport. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.160 I mean, Cameron, is this perhaps of the reason they 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.960 don't personally get along well? 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.000 Well, I think there's a lot of reasons with a 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:10.240 Husk and the Prime Minister up, not just the airport, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.040 but I think when I looked at the maps, Shari, 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.320 I mean, it's only flights between eleven PM and five 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.240 thirty am, and really what they're doing is they're putting 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.560 all the flight paths in those evening hours across rural 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.119 and larger areas rather than over urban residential areas. I mean, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.800 that's something where the divides. It's in Western City with 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.200 the maps I looked at all. 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.040 Right, Matt, before we go, I just want to actually 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:39.119 ask you a question without notice about the supertax, the 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:40.879 coalition's position on the supertas. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:41.160 Now. 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.520 I know you're against it. We've been covering it on 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.760 this show for weeks and weeks now, but I understand 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.600 that the formal position went to Shadow Cabinet but didn't 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.760 go to the Joint Coalition party route. Now, that's usually 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:57.960 how a policy position is arrived. 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:58.760 At, isn't it. 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.960 It goes to the joint Coalition party room before it's 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.800 officially announced. Are you worried that this process wasn't followed, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.399 because I mean, you might be fine with it in 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.080 this position, but what if it's net zero? 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.480 What it's other laws that you would like to have 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:13.920 a say in. 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.160 Look, it's probably a rule that's broken. More that observed, 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.280 Sharius is not the first time the joint party room 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.520 hasn't been consulted on a matter, and it's typically sometimes 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.280 a bit difficult outside of a parliamentary sitting period to 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:30.879 arrange that. 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:32.120 We have had virtual. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.920 Joint party rooms before, but usually on very significant things. Look, 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:41.200 I think this is something that probably the leader could 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.560 judge the mood of the room, so to speak. And 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.760 as you say, there's an outcome here that I certainly 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.600 support and I think the vast majority of my colleague support. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.720 So a formal meeting of all of us probably wasn't 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.520 necessary in this instance. Just on your point, though, we 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.000 have never had a joint party room discussion on net zero. 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.880 Never would you like to see amazing like never? 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.880 Like I definitely I definitely would like to say when 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.840 Sharon Scott Morrison just signed us up to it, to 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:07.560 sign a liberal party up to the Nationals Party did 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.920 have a discussion, but effectively had a discussion with a 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:11.680 gun hell to her head because Liberally said they're doing 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.560 this and that's that without even having giving their own 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:14.520 members assay. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.120 So look, that would be nice. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:16.520 Nice. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.159 Maybe you can shake up the process and put it 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:20.400 on the agenda yourself. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.760 I've been trying that for three years, Sharon, see where 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:26.360 I go this time? 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.840 All right, Camra, Miona, Matt Canavan. Great to see you 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.760 both now. Elon Musk has doubled down on his searing 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:38.280 criticism of Trump's so called Big Beautiful Bill across multiple 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:42.000 posts on social media today. The bill is a cornerstone 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:45.359 of Trump's economic policy and would give Americans a tax cut, 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.440 but critics say it will also increase America's borrowing at 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.560 a time it's drowning in debt. Today, Elon Musk poster 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.760 that the bill should really be called the debt slavery Bill, 0:22:58.320 --> 0:22:59.320 and he shared the. 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.760 Poster for the mob kill Bill. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.680 And it's quite fascinating to watch this old play out 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.760 because it seems like only yesterday that Trump and Elon 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.000 Musk were having fun together in the Oval Office in 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.880 one of the more surprising friendships in recent political history. 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:20.480 And now it seems the unbreakable political alliance. 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.000 As well, and truly over. 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:30.000 Now more than seventy nine thousand Australians are reportedly using 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.760 a zempic or a similar weight loss drug. These are 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:37.200 drugs that traditionally we're used to treat diabetics. They're now 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.919 being seen as wonder weight loss drugs and there are 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.760 projections that two point four million people will be on 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:48.280 a zempic or a similar medication by twenty thirty. That'd 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:52.480 be nine percent of our population here in Australia. It's 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.159 transformed people into wafer thin versions of themselves. 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:57.040 Now. 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.880 One of a zenpik's side effects, or one of its effects, 0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:02.840 is that it slows down food moving through the stomach, 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.680 thereby limiting appetite, so if someone doesn't feel hungry, they 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.040 won't eat. 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:10.160 But there's now. 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:13.879 Something that's being dubbed a zepic personality, which the Time 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.320 says is the change in outlook that turns a former 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:22.639 bon vivert into a pleasure avoidant zombie. The weekend Australian 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:27.640 magazine on Saturday examined how along with curbing appetite, it's 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.480 suppressing cravings for things like alcohol and it could even 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:36.440 impact on desire. The article said scientists are raising new 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.360 and baffling questions about how obesity drugs could be altering 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:46.600 the reward circuitry in the brain. A psychiatrist, doctor Sally Keldeman, 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.160 explains one theory, and it's a theory that the medication 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:56.159 can deactivate neutrons crucial for processing reward and motivation. She 0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.359 says the brain only has one reward system. There's no 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:03.440 special ward system for food and then another system. 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.200 For sex or drugs, So if. 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:10.879 GLP ones are dialing down food cravings, it's not surprising 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.960 they're dampening all kinds of desires. She says, we need 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.679 more solid evidence from trials, but my concern is that 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:23.359 we'll need to start watching patients for signs of a heedonia, 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:27.280 a lack of interest and enjoyment in life. Journalist Roz 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:31.120 Thomas wrote this investigative article. It was the cover story 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.919 of the Weekend Australian magazine and she joins me, now, Roz, 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.920 thanks for your time. So you did an investigation into 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:44.000 these drugs, these medications, how can it affect personality and 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.639 what is the evidence around whether it can turn people 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.640 into so called zambig zombies. 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.080 Well, it was very interesting because when the drugs were 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.000 first developed, it was always thought that they acted only 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.919 on the gut, that they would slow down the passage 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.560 of foods through the stomach, that they would start making 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.040 you feel fuller for longer and therefore you'd eat less. 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.480 Then the latest research. 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.760 Has come out which has been very surprising and that 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.960 has shown really that the original science has collapsed, fallen apart, 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:19.560 because now we understand that semaglatide the active ingredient in 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.720 a z MP and Munjaro sexender and trulyicity the drugs 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.600 that are available in Australia at the moment, that it 0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:31.840 works on the brain access. So those samaglatides can go 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.880 deep into the brain, into the pleasure center of the brain, 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.000 which is called the nuclear sircumbens and there it pulls 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.359 off a neat trick where it turns it acts as 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.760 a neurotransmitter and it manages to tell the neurons in 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.520 the nucleus the cumbents to turn off the reward circuitry 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.760 for desire, and as you said in your graphic, you 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.760 know we don't have different we don't have different systems 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.240 for desire, one for sex, one for drugs, one for food. 0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.760 And so what we've discovered is that these smagide is 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:04.040 now able to turn off desires for all kinds of things, 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:09.240 from alcohol to nicotine to sex, even nail biding, shoplifting, 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.680 online shopping addictions. Even the latest research that I read 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.520 only two days ago that it turns off the desire 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.800 for exercise, so it makes exercise less rewarding. And what 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.199 you get then is that we are the product of 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:27.920 our desires. So you take away your love of baking, cooking, exercising, 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.560 and you do change your personality. And so what we're 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.239 finding is that we're having a lot of people who 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.639 are losing weight very very quickly, but they're losing a 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:39.200 lot of the enjoyment in life because they're suffering from 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:43.000 what psychiatrists call it anhedonia, which is a loss of pleasure. 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.879 Yeah, it's so fascinating, And of course you're looking at 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.879 this from a scientific or medical perspective, and again should 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.680 point out that none of this is conclusive. It's research 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.320 that's emerging but you also interviewed people about this, and 0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.240 you wrote in the article. I mean you just mentioned 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.760 baking that you wrote in the article about a lifelong 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.720 baker who no longer finds pleasure in making her beloved 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.960 armond crossans and cinnamon scrolls, but then she did lose 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:13.320 seventeen kilograms. And you also wrote from memory about a 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:15.240 married woman who now. 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.680 Doesn't want to go to the footy with her husband anymore. 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.360 So, just from a people perspective, what did you hear 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:25.000 from those you interviewed about how it is changing how 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:25.480 they live? 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.159 Well, this is the first time that we'd managed to 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:33.520 get suburban users to identify themselves as enpiic users. Usually 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.720 we're only hearing about side effects of a zen pic 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.720 and Munjaro from celebrity. So this is the first time 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.160 we'd managed to get you know, mum and dad users 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.200 to explain to us how they were feeling. And a 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.000 number of them told us that they started to feel 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.760 weird and that weirdness was I think the effects of 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.080 those design mechanisms being turned off in the brain. So, 0:28:56.160 --> 0:29:00.000 for example, we had one woman who had lost enormous 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.680 amount of weight on a zenpic who was also diabetic 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:06.160 lost forty kilos. But what she discovered was that she 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:11.480 had become physically repulsed by alcohol in particular and junk food. 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:16.840 And she and her husband had spent twenty years together entertaining, socializing, 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.920 going to the footy and having a wow of a time, 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:20.960 and all of a sudden, she couldn't look at a 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:22.920 glass of wine or a beer, and she couldn't look 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.520 at junk food, and it made her physically repulsed. And 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:30.040 so she discovered that she had to renegotiate all of 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.720 the boundaries in her relationship, and their relationship had changed. 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:38.120 And what some doctors were reporting to me was that 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.920 there is such a thing as a zepic divorce, and 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.560 that is when one party in the relationship loses an 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.240 enormous amount of weight. And if they do suffer some 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.719 of these Annadonius side effects, a loss of desire and 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.480 pleasures in you know, things that they used to love, exercise, alcohol, 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.680 going out socializing, then you're going to have a real, 0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.760 you know, quite a chasm occurring in marriages. And so 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.600 there was a particular case in which a gentleman in 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.960 a marriage with a wife had lost thirty kilos and 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.760 announced to his doctor that he had decided that he 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.479 was gay and that he was leaving his wife because 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.160 the loss of the weight and the change in his 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.480 personality had suggested to him that he should leave the marriage. 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.440 I mean, these are the side effects that we can't 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.000 yet link conclusively, but they're coming through in animal studies 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.600 and we need more human control clinical trials to be 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.000 able to say for sure. But I have to say 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:31.920 a little bit worrying. 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:32.640 Yeah. 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.680 Well, it's absolutely fascinating cover story that you wrote in 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.520 the week in Australian magazine. Really great to have you 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:42.760 on the show, Roz. Fascinating topic and pointing out again 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.120 research still emerging. 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:45.720 And of course if anyone at home has. 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.920 Questions about his MBIG, we're not doctor, so see your 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.000 GP for proper medical advice. 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.240 Roz. Really appreciate your time. Now still to come. 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.960 Internationally renowned writer Hen mazik Or droin me to discuss 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:03.440 media bias after the White House caught out the BBC's nonsense. 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:05.400 Plus James Patterson. 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.880 Will give his reaction after the University of Sydney uninvited 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.880 journalist Sam Maiden from a speaking event. I'll tell you 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.600 their shocking excuse after this quick break. 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:20.520 Welcome back. 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.920 Well, the Prime Minister is under pressure from the United 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.760 States to lift defense spending to three and a half 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.880 percent of GDP, with both Pete Hegseth and Sebastian Gorka 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.960 urging him to do more to protect Australians. So far, 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:38.200 Albanezi has rejected these cause or to discuss this and more. 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.560 Joining me now is Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson. Great 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.440 to see you in new introduction, their first time I've 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.000 had you on the show in your new portfolio. So 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.400 the Prime Minister set to meet with President Trump of 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.280 the G seven summit later this month, is this going 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.600 to be adequate for him to just fob off the 0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:59.600 president saying that the defense spending at just under two 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:01.800 percent as it is now is enough. 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.440 Well, Sharry, any respected national security expert will tell you 0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:10.360 Australia is not spending enough to defend ourselves in the 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.680 era that we live in. But what I thought was 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.800 most remarkable about the Prime Minister's refusal to even entertain 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.640 this idea of increasing defense spending is he said that 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.800 it's a matter of sovereignty. We're going to underinvest in 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.240 our national security and defense because we want to uphold 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.000 our sovereignty. I mean, that's an extraordinary thing to say. 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.240 It's like refusing to eat your vegetables because your parents 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.320 told you to. You know that it's good for you, 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.360 you know you should do it, But because your parents 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.040 told you to do it, you're going to refuse to 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.720 do it. The promise is coming across as really childish here, 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.680 and in an uncertain strategic environment, we need grown up 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:45.600 leadership and he needs to step up to the plate 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:47.840 and deliver the defense spending that we all know we need. 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.080 What level do you think it should be. 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.480 Well, we took a commitment to the last election to 0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:56.760 get to two point five percent of GDP within five 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.520 years and to get to three percent of GDP within 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.120 ten years. I'm very proud of that commitment that we took, 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.280 which required a lot of heavy lifting and a lot 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.960 of hard work, but it took seriously the advice of 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.840 people like Kim Beasley, Srangus Houston, Mike Bizulo the Australian 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.160 Strategic Policy Institute, and many of our other most eminent 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:18.640 defense experts who tell us that because of China's rapid 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.320 acquisition of military capability, we are living in an extremely 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.240 precarious time that could turn south very quickly, and that 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.200 right now we don't have the military capability to prevent 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.880 that conflict from happening through to Terrence, let alone respond 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.720 to it should it happen. So really, the promise to 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.000 must move more quickly. He must address this and we 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:37.880 would provide bipartisan support. 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:38.120 For him to do so. 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:40.320 Yeah. Good point. 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.680 The Coalition was in a mess this week over its 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.760 position on the super tax. The Shadow treasure of Tet 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.040 O'Brien came out on Monday in favor of doing a 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.360 deal with Labor. He was even on my program. He 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:57.080 then changed his position today, James. 0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:57.880 Are you now worried? 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.960 And you know we all agree that the Coalition shouldn't 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.320 be supporting higher taxes, but you now worried that the 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:09.479 final legislation will be worse because Labour's going to arrive 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.000 at their position through a negotiation with the Greens. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.280 I'm very comfortable where we landed on this issue sharing 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.920 because it goes to a core liberal principle. As you say, 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.960 the Liberal Party is the party of lower taxes and 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.520 we should never make Labour's task of raising taxes any easier, 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:29.920 nor should we provide them with a fig leaf of 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:34.160 economic responsibility by engaging in negotiations with them to raise taxes. 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.719 The truth is that we can't stop Labor doing this 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.960 because with their coalition partners in the Greens, they do 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.279 have a majority in the Senate, But that won't stop 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:43.839 us fighting it, and we're going to fight it as 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:45.880 hard as we can, and we can only hope that 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.680 sense prevails within the Labor Party and they realize the 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.799 harm that they get to do to our economy. Right now, 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.799 when business investment is at record lows, the last thing 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.279 our economy needs is a tax on investment, and that's 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.720 effectively what Jim Chalmers is doing with this tax. 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.280 He seems pretty adamant that he is going to stick 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.920 with it. He's given press conferences and media interviews in 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.160 the past couple of days where he has defended it, 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:12.280 saying in effect that he needs high at tax revenue 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.839 to deal with all the spending. And another idea, of course, 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.880 would be to cut spending, but of course the Albanesi 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:19.960 government's not going to do that. I want to turn 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.279 to this story that's just broken this Evening News dot 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.040 com dot a US political editor Samoud the Maiden has 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:31.040 been disinvited by a Sydney University student run newspaper ani 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.000 Swar to speak at a student conference. 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:35.320 Now Ani Swar. 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:39.839 Wrote to her after initially inviting her begging her to come. 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:41.520 They then wrote to her and said. 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:45.880 We've received community concerns about your political coverage and reporting 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:50.560 on the Palestinian genocide. As a left wing newspaper, ani 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:54.800 Swar recognizes that Israel is committing an ongoing genocide in Palestine, 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.680 and we do not feel that our values align or 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:01.720 that we can platform your work as assault. Now, James 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.960 salm Maiden, as far as I'm aware, and I read 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.440 most of her stories, she hasn't written anything about this 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.560 issue at all, But that's beside the point. I mean, 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.200 this is serious discrimination, isn't it, Because if they won't 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.960 have Sam Maiden speak, they'd never have a Jew speak. 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.640 Shorey, You're right, it's absolutely bizarre that she's been deplatformed 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.000 for something that she herself has no memory of having 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.120 written about. But as you say, it doesn't matter even 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.800 if she'd been a prolific writer on Israel Palestine issues, 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.600 and even if she'd taken a stance that the paper 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.879 disagreed with One of the tests of journalism is being 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.400 able to engage with ideas that you disagree with. And 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:41.040 one of the things you would hope would be happening 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.480 on university campuses of all places, is engagement with ideas 0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:46.399 that you disagree with, some that you might even find 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.600 offensive or troubling, or that you disagree with profoundly. But 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.239 of course we know that in the modern school of 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:56.319 journalism and on modern university campuses, that is increasingly rare. 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:57.880 And what I want to do is actually pay a 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.239 tribute to David Maha here, who has himself decided to 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.839 withdraw from the conference because of their decision to deplatform 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.040 Sam made. Now, David maher is a man of the left, 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.760 but he's from a generation of people on the left 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.879 when they did support Freedma's speech, and who understands how 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.200 critical and important that is to journalism. And so I 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.520 think he's demonstrated himself to be a person of principle. 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.960 It deserves to be praised here. But really, these editors 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.440 of the student newspapers should look themselves in the mirror 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.040 and ask themselves are they really fit to engage in 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.080 the world of ideas? Are they really fit to graduate 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.400 from university to write big stories, to engage in the 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.759 battle of ideas if they are so threatened by someone 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.840 speaking at their conference who may theoretically possibly have a 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:38.960 different few of them on an issue. 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.960 I want to echo your congratulations to David Martha out 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.279 of principle pulling out of the event. Now, I'm not 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.239 going to name them, but I do understand there are 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.799 other high profile journalists who are still speaking, and I 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:55.759 hope they withdraw as well, because this is truly discriminatory, right, 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.600 James Patterson, thank you so much as always. Now coming 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.160 up and Patterson sits through her first grueling cross examination 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:07.000 on the deadly mushroom lunch plus the White House. 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:07.840 Hits out at the BBC. 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.160 Can we gather examples from the ABC to send to 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.080 them or influential author Hen Mazik. 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:19.319 Would join me after this quick break well. 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.000 A Pew Research Center poll released this week found that 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.799 around half of adults in more in twenty out of 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:31.759 twenty four country surveyed had unfavorable views of Israel. This 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:36.800 includes the UK, Canada, France, Japan, and even the United States. 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.879 In Australia, seventy four percent of adults had an unfavorable 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.600 view of Israel. Now, this is an indictment on international 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:48.080 media outlets, and no wonder so many people are prepared 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:52.720 to repeat Hermasa's lies word for word when the media 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.320 is doing it. As Trump's Press Secretary Caroline Levitt pointed. 0:38:56.920 --> 0:39:01.880 Out, unlike some in the meet, we don't take the 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.560 word of Hamas with total truth. We like to look 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.480 into it when they speak. Unlike the BBC, who had 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:14.640 multiple headlines they wrote Israeli tank kills twenty six, Israeli 0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:18.040 tank kills twenty one, Israeli gunfire kills thirty one, Red 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.760 Cross has twenty one people were killed in an eight incident, 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:23.160 and then oh wait, they had to correct and take 0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.680 down their entire story, saying we reviewed the footage and 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.600 couldn't find any evidence of anything. 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:31.400 It's not just the BBC. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:36.520 Our own ABC is no stranger to bias on Israel, 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.160 and their former ABC Middle East correspondent is now a 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:45.440 Greens politician, was definitely not surprised by this career progression, 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:49.400 and she even attended Parliament last week in a kfaet 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.760 well joining me now to discuss his influential Israeli writer 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.360 and activist hen Mazik Hen so terrific to have you 0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.520 on the show for the first time. Look how style 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.439 has the media coverage been on Israel and how quick 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:06.759 are major news organizations like the BBC and also the 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:10.840 New York Times to take the word of Hamas as gospel. 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:13.759 Thank you so much for having me. 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:15.840 And I just want to say your moral clarity on 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.680 this issue is rare. It shouldn't be rare, but it is, 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.520 and it matters, especially now. And you know, I've been 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.720 invited to the by so many times and to their studio, 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:27.600 and I've been to their newsrooms. 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:29.840 I've seen how it operates. And to think that. 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:33.200 There are so many editors that are involved in approving 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.440 a news item and none of them thinks for a 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:40.200 second to maybe there should be some scrutiny with the 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.279 numbers that Hamas is promoting and sending us. Maybe we 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.440 should think twice before we're saying that Israel is massacring 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.200 dozens of Palestinians, And maybe we should think twice before 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:55.040 we are issuing a statement like fourteen thousand babies are 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:57.319 going to die in the next forty eight hours. How 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:02.880 can you even comprehend this, this type of bias and hatred, 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:08.120 It's really insane to me. You know, in the Colorado 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.680 attack that we've seen, a moltive cocktail was thrown at 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.240 a Holocaust survivor, at an eighty eight year old Holocaust 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.040 survivor at a peaceful protest calling for the release of 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:18.399 the hostages. 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.520 Which means ending the war. They don't want to continue 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:20.839 the war. 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.560 And the guy that was throwing the mount of cocktail 0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:28.000 cited the fact that or what he thought was the 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.880 fact that Israel is killing babies, and that directly relates 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:35.440 to what the BBC and the international media has been promoting, 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.480 this bias, false narrative that is ending up with flames 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:40.960 burning Jews around the world. 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.600 Piers Morgan this week interrupted Jewish lawyer Natasha holst Off 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.640 some sixty times in an interview with her, and then 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.240 on social media he went and said, and I couldn't 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.600 believe this comment. He said that the truth wasn't coming 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.120 out of her disingenuous mouth. 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.400 I mean genuinely appalled me. 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:07.120 And what's your reaction to treatment of Jewish women by 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:08.640 someone like Piers Morgan? 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.840 Yeah, And he had another male comedian and both of 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:17.680 them were attacking this respectable lawyer that has far more 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:21.280 understanding and knowledge about law than they do, and especially 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:24.680 international law. You know, modern anti Semitism doesn't wear just 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.440 jack boots, it wears hashtags. 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.600 It were masquerading. 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.960 Is activism and spread through algorithm faster than. 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.920 The truth ever could. And it's not coming from the fringe. 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.759 It's trending on the Explorer page for all of us. 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.879 And people aren't being radicalized by manifestos anymore. They're being 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:46.480 radicalized by viral content like the one that comes out 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.759 of Pierce Morgan's online show, and it's dressed up as 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:53.359 humanitarian concern and by the time the facts catch up, 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.000 the lie is already lit the match, as we've seen 0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:00.360 in Colorado. So I think we keep asking why Jews 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:03.359 are afraid, and we are afraid because in the last 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.080 week alone, Jews have been shot in d C. In 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:08.239 the last two weeks, they've been shot in d C, 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:13.320 firebomb in Colorado, Holocaust Museum has been vandalized in Paris, 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:19.320 and the source is a gaza. Hawks or Hamas claims 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.799 that people are taking a face value and not even 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:27.840 checking it, and suddenly it's it's complicated to looking to details. 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.319 Suddenly silence and Jews see that we notice it. We 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.600 notice who speaks up, and we notice who's attacking us 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:37.360 and who's joining the mob. And it's really disheartening to 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:42.600 see respectable figures that have such large platforms. 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.759 And so much power using it this way. You know, 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:46.839 with great power comes great responsibility. 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.800 And I think it's true today more than ever, specifically. 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:50.280 About the war in Gaza. 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.840 Yeah, I completely agree with you, and I find it 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.720 so concerning, as you say, influential people, not just Piers Morgan, 0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:01.000 but Joe Rogan, taker Cows and millions and millions of followers, 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:05.680 and they're encouraging this hostile sentiment. Hen Mazik, I've got 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.400 to tell all my viewers to look you up and 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:12.120 follow you on social media because you do tell the 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.040 truth and in such a strong way and still with 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:18.520 empathy for all sides. So, Hen, such a pleasure to 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:19.239 have you on the show. 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.640 Thank you very much, Thanks. 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.200 So much, Frevan. I really appreciate it. 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:25.520 Thank you. Now, don't go anywhere. 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.160 After the break, I bring you the latest details on 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:31.320 the mushroom trial with our reporter Holly Sterns. 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.080 That's right after this quick break. 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:40.840 Well accuse mushroom killer Aaron Patterson underwent cross examination. For 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:45.480 the first time today, she emotionally denied intentionally killing Don 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:50.480 and Gail Patterson, Heather Wilkinson, or knowingly harming Ian Wilkinson. 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:51.800 Let's go live. 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:55.160 Now to Morewell, where Sky News reporter Holly Sterns joins me, Holly, 0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:59.920 you've been covering this today. Erin's final day giving testimony 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.200 in her defense and then the start of her cross examination. 0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:05.440 Tell us what the main takeouts were. 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:08.680 Oh, Sharry, there's a lot to break down. 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.600 There's been so much evidence today and it's been a 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.480 very long day for everyone here. 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.359 Descending on this small regional town. 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.960 But right off the top, her defense put her question 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.120 to her, the question that everyone wants to know, the 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:22.360 answer to did you ever intend to poison your relatives 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:23.480 with deadly mushrooms? 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:25.279 Her answer repeatedly no. 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.520 However, she has admitted to lying about ever owning or 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.799 using a food dehydrator, and also lying about her love 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:35.240 for often foraging for wild mushrooms. Now, Miss Patterson claims 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.920 that after the lunch when everyone became so unwell, she 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.160 had a conversation with her estranged husband, Simon, where he 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.640 accused her of poisoning his parents. She said it was 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.759 at this point when she became scared and overwhelmed, and 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:48.759 that's when she began to fear that she was going 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.200 to be blamed for something that she claims was all 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:54.280 a tragic mistake. She says, this is when she began lying, 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.959 and that's when she dumped the dehydrator at the tip too. 0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:01.080 But Sharry, that's when the cross examination began. Secutor firing 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.600 question after question at Miss Patterson, grilling her about her 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.600 version of events, clashing with her about medical lives and 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.640 about why the guests came to the lunch. This center 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.719 of this cross examination this afternoon is why were the 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:14.360 guests there? 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:16.520 And this so called cancer diagnosis. 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.480 So prosecutors essentially claim that she lured her guest to 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.040 lunch based on a fake cancer diagnosis of her varying cancer. 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.879 The only surviving lunch guest, Ian Wilkinson. He also gave 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:30.799 testimony backing up this claim. But today Miss Patterson disputes this, saying, 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.840 I never used the word diagnose. I told the guests 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.200 that I was having issues with my ovaries and that 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.839 I might perhaps need treatment in the future, but says 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.680 she never used the words that she was diagnosed with cancer. 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.279 But this is when the prosecutor put a pretty firm 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:45.759 question to her, I want to read it out to 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.200 your word for word, the prosecutor asked her, I suggest 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.120 that you never thought you would have to account for 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.279 this about having cancer because you thought that the lunch 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:55.280 guests would die. 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:56.040 Now, the jury was. 0:46:56.040 --> 0:47:00.720 Also shown several photos Sharry of mushrooms on scale, alleging 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.240 that they were deathcat mushrooms that Miss Patterson had taken 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:07.200 and that she deliberately foraged these for her lunch's guests 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:07.680 that day. 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:10.440 So the jury will resume again tomorrow. 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.560 Miss Patterson has pleaded not guilty to all of these charges. 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.560 She also claims that she had bulimia and also vomited 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.200 after the beef at Wellington Dish. Now, the jury was 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:20.920 also told at the end of the day today that 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:23.160 there will be an extension to this case. 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.359 It's likely to go on now for another. 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.520 Couple of weeks, so plenty of attention and people here 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.160 in this small regional town for a little while longer. 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:32.319 Yeah. 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.799 So it's going to be fascinating because the next few 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.799 days will be the heart of the matter as we 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.600 continue to hear the Crown's case. As this grilling of 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:45.080 her under cross examination continues, but in summary, we've only 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:48.400 got about forty seconds left. But her final position in 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.319 her defense is that this was all an accident, that 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.800 the mushrooms were mixed up, that the reason she didn't 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.400 get seeck is, as you mentioned, she had beliemia, an 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:01.120 eating disorder, and she brought up her foot after the meal. 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.240 That's right, she essentially claims. 0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.239 And this was pretty much a shock as well to 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:10.560 the prosecution and all of the journalists here covering it, Sharry. 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:13.800 They're international journalists here covering it too, and those claims 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:16.759 were a real shock, the first one that she had blimia, 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:18.960 and also the other claim that she was actually planning 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.000 on having gastric bypass surgery too. That was a really 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.880 big shock to everyone here who's covering this story. 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.040 But that claim as well wasn't really. 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:30.440 Doubled down in miss Patterson's cross examination today, So she 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.280 was really put under pressure today and that was definitely 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.600 showcase she was a little bit rattled by those questions today, Sharry. 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:38.719 So it continues tomorrow and as you said, she'll be 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:39.440 back on the stand. 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:40.200 Oh. 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:42.759 A fascinating case that we're all following. Holly Sterns thank 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.680 you so much for your time tonight. That's all we've 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:47.560 got time for today. Thank you so much for your 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.400 company this week. I'll see you on Monday. And right now, 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:51.400 here's James Morrow.