WEBVTT - #1903 Inflammaging - Dr. Jeff Gross

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everyone, Welcome to the You Project. We're just in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of some mayhem and ridiculous over here at

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<v Speaker 1>typ Central Tiffany and doctor Jeffer probably, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, not a great combination. They get a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit ahead of themselves. Tip's about to get a free consult.

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<v Speaker 1>I was somehow talking about my left testicle and that

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<v Speaker 1>was all before the good stuff is about to start.

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<v Speaker 1>So good morning, Tif.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, good morning, all right, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Jeff Hello, Hello, good morning to you, and good

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<v Speaker 3>afternoon from Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh bloody Las Vegas. Have you been to Las Vegas? Tip? No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>It's the city that never sleeps, dude. I've been there

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. It's it's a lot, it's sensory overload.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a lot, but it's it's cool. I would

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<v Speaker 1>not want to live there, which is not to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's not amazing, but I'd have ADHD and all the

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<v Speaker 1>things if I live there. It's busy. How's your Let's

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<v Speaker 1>dive right in, because you know we're very open here

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<v Speaker 1>at the U Project. How's your erry menopausal body going, Tip?

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<v Speaker 2>What bloody chaos hearts?

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<v Speaker 3>I've had enough of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got three and a half hours sleep the night

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<v Speaker 2>before last for no reason. I've got almost ten last night.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting I'm getting pains, which I haven't had since

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<v Speaker 2>I was an adolescent child. I'm tired, I'm demotivated. It's

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<v Speaker 2>utter bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you want to punch someone in the face?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but don't have the bloody energy that I used to,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not even getting to punch people in the

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<v Speaker 2>face like I normally do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Doctor Jeff, no pressure, but if you could fix

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<v Speaker 1>all of that in the next forty minutes, that'd be great,

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<v Speaker 1>easy peasy. When I start feeling shit, Tiff, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm consulting you now. Just get comfortable. Just line

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<v Speaker 1>the couch. When when did all of this mayhem start?

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<v Speaker 2>So back when I reckon it was a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, two and a half to two years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was back remember when I was going to start

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<v Speaker 2>fighting again and I and I apped my training and

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<v Speaker 2>then I just crashed and then I couldn't recover, and

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<v Speaker 2>then so it kind of started there. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>started asking a question, but I was like, oh, is

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<v Speaker 2>this just burnout? Is this just training? Is this? And

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<v Speaker 2>then I just feel like two years have passed and

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried all of the things that I'm in a

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<v Speaker 2>same but maybe a even more declining state of like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>a less and less is working now?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow yeah wow Wow. Over to you, Doc. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could come up with some kind of magic,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be great, no pressure, but you know.

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<v Speaker 3>The magic exist. It's called bioidentical hormone optimization, where both

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<v Speaker 3>for men and women. Of course, with women it's more precipitous,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a rapid decline, whereas men we have more gradual

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<v Speaker 3>decline in our hormones. And it works like this as

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<v Speaker 3>you age. It was always thought that your hormones tend

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<v Speaker 3>to decline in men testosterone and women estrogen, progesterone and testosterone. However,

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<v Speaker 3>what if the opposite were true? What if you age

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<v Speaker 3>because your hormones decline, wouldn't that encourage you then to

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<v Speaker 3>not let them decline or replace them artificially with bioidentical

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<v Speaker 3>And I keep saying bioidentical, so it's clear I don't

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<v Speaker 3>mean synthetic derivatives of horse urine aka premarin. So for

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<v Speaker 3>both men and women, the longer you preserve a youthful profile,

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<v Speaker 3>of hormones, the longer you will live. Women who have

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<v Speaker 3>later pregnancies and later cycles live longer. This is well known.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to live long and preserve your

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<v Speaker 3>bone density and not want to punch everybody and sleep

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<v Speaker 3>and not have dry eyes and dry other parts and

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<v Speaker 3>not lose your hair, you have to get ahead of

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<v Speaker 3>this before it happens. In your case, you're playing a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of catch up. Tip. But that's okay, we

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<v Speaker 3>got you right, and you need you probably need a

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<v Speaker 3>little estrogen, a little nighttime progesterone. You'll sleep like a

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<v Speaker 3>baby again. You'll have the motivation, which is probably some

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<v Speaker 3>low testosterone you need replaced, and all this. You check

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<v Speaker 3>some blood tests. It's easy to do and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how rarely available it is where you are, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is a growing industry here in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, have you had any blood tests done? Tip?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have just started about two weeks ago on

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<v Speaker 2>estrogen gel. I don't know if it's bioidentical. I need

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<v Speaker 2>to check out. That's not a question. I'd right, and

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<v Speaker 2>progesterone tablets, so I'm just waiting. Apparently they'll take anything

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<v Speaker 2>up to three months to really start to kick in

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<v Speaker 2>and feel some effects.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good, you're on the right path.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I have a friend a couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>older than me, and she's been on this path for

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<v Speaker 2>a while and she has also just started taking testosterone

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and she said that has worked wonders for her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really a thing women like women starting to take

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<v Speaker 1>like a little bit of testosterone. Generally it's cream, right, doc.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's kind of the low dose application. It can

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<v Speaker 3>be injectable, but to help maintain muscle mass and other things,

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<v Speaker 3>women have testosterone in them normally, there is a normal

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<v Speaker 3>amount for women. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, well we will. We'll be cheering you on

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<v Speaker 1>you and your hormones on tiff in your endocrine system team. Thanks, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>team tiff Hi Doc, now to you, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean up to? Has things? Has Las Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>has life, has business?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you for that compound question. I had just

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<v Speaker 3>got back from the Biohacking conference in Austin, Texas. We

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<v Speaker 3>were there for better part of a week. It is

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<v Speaker 3>a forty three hundred people who are longevity enthusiasts looking

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<v Speaker 3>at the latest biotech supplements. You know, energies, infrared, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>exercise everything, you would have loved it. It's right up

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<v Speaker 3>your alley, as they say. And I got to speak.

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<v Speaker 3>We presented, you know, we had a booth there and

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<v Speaker 3>it's all about longevity. So I did a little homework

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<v Speaker 3>before we jumped on here, and I wanted to see

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<v Speaker 3>if you knew why the Australian life expectancy is longer

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<v Speaker 3>than the US life expectancy, so you're going to live longer.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty twenty one, Australia had an average life expectancy

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<v Speaker 3>of eighty three point two years. Well, well, the US

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<v Speaker 3>it's seventy eight point four years, and that was probably

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<v Speaker 3>based on data prior to twenty twenty one, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's corrected for COVID yet, but that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A big gap. That's nearly a five year gap. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's definitely you know, I think the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the rest of the world has about Australia is

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<v Speaker 1>not a particularly accurate one. It was once upon a

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<v Speaker 1>time in that where this outdoorsy, super active, super healthy

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in Australia surfs and it's we're a very cosmopolitan,

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<v Speaker 1>urban country. I mean most people in Australia. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is, but it's probably eighty five ninety

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<v Speaker 1>percent of people in Australia live in cities and suburbs

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<v Speaker 1>like this. Great, Like our land is almost the size

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, North America, but it's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we only have twenty six million people versus three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty million people, and so people around the world

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<v Speaker 1>assume that we're just spread out over this big, vast continent,

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<v Speaker 1>but we really live on the perimeter. And yeah, did

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<v Speaker 1>my microphone just go off again?

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<v Speaker 3>Tiff?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And now is it back back?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry everyone, we're having little microphone episodes today. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, like I feel, we're just as obese, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've got just as much diabetes and just as many

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<v Speaker 1>you know, related issues. What's your theory.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's it's the pesticides and our food and

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<v Speaker 3>the other preservatives in our food. On this side of

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<v Speaker 3>the planet, we've been poisoning ourselves for years. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>now a move afoot too hopefully correct that take it out,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, the damage is done, right, So a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people have been poisoned by this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I saw this thing yesterday that it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a hook, you know how they're like, you know, learn

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<v Speaker 1>why people who live within five hundred meters of a

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<v Speaker 1>golf course something like, I forget the exact number, but

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred percent more likely to get Parkinson's disease. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's the weirdest fucking correlation ever. So people

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<v Speaker 1>who live within maybe it was I don't know, five

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred meters or yards whatever, and then I looked

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<v Speaker 1>into it. It's because of all the chemicals they use

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<v Speaker 1>on the golf course. Yeah, all the pesticides, and because

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<v Speaker 1>it because it people breathe it in. People who live

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<v Speaker 1>within a certain proximity of that are getting sicker quicker

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<v Speaker 1>while they think, oh wow, we live on the back

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<v Speaker 1>of a golf course, this is beautiful. Yeah. So I

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<v Speaker 1>actually know someone who lives on a golf course like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a it's like a gated community, and yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>fifty meters from a fucking golf from a fairway.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah, I think I think that's it's the poisons,

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<v Speaker 3>the chemicals. I agree with you. I think this is

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<v Speaker 3>an ongoing issue because if you order if we if

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<v Speaker 3>you and I both buy the same box of crackers. Yeah, biscuits.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you calm down there, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know ours will have twenty five more ingredients than yours will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's and it's so funny. I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've gone down this route before, talking even about cereals

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<v Speaker 1>and things where you you know, like there's there's very

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<v Speaker 1>popular cereals in Australia and America. I know where it's.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at the back and there's in this what

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<v Speaker 1>seems like this simple breakfast, there's fifty different ingredients and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty of them you've never heard of. You don't, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just you know, preservatives and additives and

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<v Speaker 1>coloring and chemicals, and yeah, I know that's the I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you. I've avoided this for seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>not seven years, five years, this topic and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to open the door too wide, but what are

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<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts on the COVID vaccine now that

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some and it doesn't need to be controversial,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it just seems there's more and more coming

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<v Speaker 1>out now and I've, like I said, I've consciously avoided

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<v Speaker 1>this topic because I think it's just too much hype

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<v Speaker 1>and hysteria and hate and you know, silos of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you think it's overall it's a good thing,

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<v Speaker 1>was a good thing, was a bad thing. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to try to be as objective as possible

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<v Speaker 3>so people can make their own conclusions. But one from

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<v Speaker 3>a pandemic perspective, it probably did help diminish the virulence

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<v Speaker 3>and the spread. From an individual perspective, I think it

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<v Speaker 3>probably we are now seeing some of the downside, the

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<v Speaker 3>medical downside to these things. You know, we've got evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that we've done some harm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it's there's I don't know, And maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>know when you're like, you watch one thing. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>one thing a few weeks ago. Now I'm getting all

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<v Speaker 1>the things and I'm like, maybe I need to watch

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<v Speaker 1>something from the other side of the fence to get

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<v Speaker 1>a different perspective. I noticed on your website I was

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<v Speaker 1>having a look the other day that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you do is bioage biological age testing. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've spoken about this a bit, but we're nearly two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand episodes in, so if you couldn't, you know, simple terms,

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<v Speaker 1>explain to people what you mean by biological age, and

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<v Speaker 1>then two tell us about the protocol. How you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. So think about a seven year old woman, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and you got two seven year old women right next

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<v Speaker 3>to each other. One is getting ready to go into

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<v Speaker 3>a nursing home. She's got white curly hair, wrinkles in

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<v Speaker 3>her face, creaked the old knees, and she's stooped over

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<v Speaker 3>with a cane. And one is in a workout outfit

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<v Speaker 3>and she's going to yoga class and she's full of energy,

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<v Speaker 3>and she looks younger and feels younger. Those two women

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<v Speaker 3>were born on the same day. Yeah, but one of

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<v Speaker 3>them is obviously physiologically or biologically younger, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>because her cells have been taken better care of during

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<v Speaker 3>her lifetime. They've been exposed to less chronic inflammatory degenerative changes,

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<v Speaker 3>less inflammating, which is a combination of inflammation aging. So

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<v Speaker 3>so there are blood tests different types that can study

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<v Speaker 3>that and give you a number. And you can actually

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<v Speaker 3>take interventions. Get in scheap, eat right, you know, meditate,

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<v Speaker 3>you know all kinds of things, take supplements, what have

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<v Speaker 3>you lose weight, and you can lessen or reduce or

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<v Speaker 3>reverse your aging process at a cellular measure doesn't change

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<v Speaker 3>your calendar date, but it changes your functional effective biological age.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what that's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it interestingly the thinking around aging two. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it happens in the States, but in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>there's a term which is age appropriate. Then fill in

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<v Speaker 1>the blank, age appropriate clothing, age appropriate exercise, age appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>fucking relationships. Oh you're too old, you're too young for

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<v Speaker 1>or him, or you know, whatever it is, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so funny, Like I think, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>that famous saying we don't grow old because we know.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow

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<v Speaker 1>old because we stop playing, right, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the things that we should do when

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<v Speaker 1>we are older, and by older everyone I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>mean forty five fifty plus, right, they're the things we

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<v Speaker 1>should do. We should bounce to basketball, we should throw

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<v Speaker 1>a ball, we should walk on top of a bloody

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<v Speaker 1>fence or whatever. Not a high skinn ef fan, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, all the things that we

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<v Speaker 1>did that involve balance and coordination and muscular endurance and

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<v Speaker 1>aerobic endurance and fun. We seem to put the brakes

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<v Speaker 1>on that because we shouldn't do that at your age.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that you know, how much fun and

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<v Speaker 1>also how much benefit would be in people kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rethinking that and engaging in activities which not only physiologically,

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<v Speaker 1>but emotionally and psychologically have great benefits.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't agree more. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>It starts with the mindset and then act on that.

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<v Speaker 3>So execute on those ideas and stay young and active

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<v Speaker 3>and move, exercise, play, diminish your internal mental psychological stress

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll you'll you'll do well, and that will keep

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<v Speaker 3>you younger. I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you test someone's biological age? I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a perfect science, but what what kind of happens?

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<v Speaker 3>So there are a bunch of different correlates. One is

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<v Speaker 3>there are some applications maybe on your phone, you're a smartphone,

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<v Speaker 3>where you can take a picture of your face and

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<v Speaker 3>through some various metrics it can it can estimate your

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<v Speaker 3>biological age. There are other physical tests you can try,

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<v Speaker 3>where how long can you hang from a pull up bar?

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<v Speaker 3>What's your grip strength? How long can you stand on

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<v Speaker 3>one leg? That kind of thing. Those those are one

0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.040
<v Speaker 3>another physiologic measures. Then there are blood tests, and some

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<v Speaker 3>of the blood tests look at things circulating in your bloodstreams.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them look at intracellular markers like methylation of

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<v Speaker 3>your DNA, which is a slow change in your DNA

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<v Speaker 3>with age, like the length of your telomeres, which are

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of the ends of the shoe string of

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<v Speaker 3>the DNA, and it changes over time. Every time a

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<v Speaker 3>cell divides, that becomes more afraid and then you want nice,

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<v Speaker 3>tightly compacted you know, like brain new shoelaces, right, you

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<v Speaker 3>want you don't want them falling apart at the tips.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the end? What's the end physiological result of anxiety?

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<v Speaker 3>Anxiety?

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening happening in our body?

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<v Speaker 3>So anxiety increases the stress response, the fight or flight

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<v Speaker 3>mechan the epidephrin or adrenaline release, the cortisol release, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the pro inflammatory aspect of the body. The body

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<v Speaker 3>has yin and yang, so we have we are supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be somewhat you know, inflame during the day. You

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<v Speaker 3>get inflamed when you wake up, when your cortisol you know,

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<v Speaker 3>surges in the morning, and when you eat. Eating is

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<v Speaker 3>actually proneflammatory. But we need it and during the night

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<v Speaker 3>you repair, you're anti inflammatory, or you go from the

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<v Speaker 3>sympathetic nervous system, the fight or flight side, to the

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<v Speaker 3>relaxed side, the parasympathetic side, and that ying and yang

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<v Speaker 3>is part of our circuitian rhythm. And if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have enough parasympathetic like when Tiff did not sleep that

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<v Speaker 3>one night, she's paying for it the next day. And

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<v Speaker 3>you accumulate that too much anxiety, that too much stress,

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<v Speaker 3>that too much adrenaline, and too much cortisol, and it

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<v Speaker 3>has adverse and accelerated degenerative changes at the cellular level

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<v Speaker 3>and then at the body level. That's why you have

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<v Speaker 3>two seventy year old women and one looks all beat

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<v Speaker 3>up and old at seventy, and one could be very youthful,

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<v Speaker 3>and you might think she's just turning fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think? And I mean, these are all

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<v Speaker 1>just opinions, but maybe you've got some science behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know both of these things have an impact,

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<v Speaker 1>But what do you think is more of a factor?

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<v Speaker 1>Great sleep, consistent good sleep, or being able to consistently

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<v Speaker 1>be calm, an absence absent of or free of anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>or stress.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's a good one. I think free of all

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<v Speaker 3>stress is sort of a unicorn situation. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think restorative, really good sleep can somewhat forgive some stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think they kind of go hand in hand.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a famous Australian swimmer over here. Isn't an

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic goal medallist. You would never have heard of him,

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<v Speaker 1>but his name's James Magnuson. Anyway, he's been getting a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of airtime in the last week or two. TIF

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen those photos of him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking hell, Oh my god. Hey everyone, if you want to,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to look him up right now, doc

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<v Speaker 1>go James m a g n U double S N

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<v Speaker 1>and the Enhanced Games. The Enhanced Games. So he's a

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<v Speaker 1>well known, well respected Australian swimmer, olympian and he's taking

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<v Speaker 1>part in the games that are coming up very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>The doc's putting on his classes and the idea while

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<v Speaker 1>he's looking there, everyone. The idea, as I understand, of

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<v Speaker 1>these games is that the athletes can use whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck they want, right, So they're using steroids, they're using

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<v Speaker 1>growth hormone, they're using testosterone to see what the human

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<v Speaker 1>body can do. Have you got those photos of him,

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<v Speaker 1>like a before and after.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me put him before and after. It just brings

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<v Speaker 3>up a bunch of photos. So I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 3>what's enhanced, and what's not. Here's a before and after.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so he's got some significant improved muscle gain

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<v Speaker 3>his arms, his chest, his abs. He's probably lost, not

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 3>that he had any fat to begin with, a little

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:30.040
<v Speaker 3>fat too, So yeah, this is a guy that's either

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<v Speaker 3>taking HGH human growth hormone, or one of the growth

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<v Speaker 3>hormone releasing peptides which are very popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you what are your thoughts on, just

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<v Speaker 1>out of curiosity, not from a medical clinical professional perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>but just as a as a blog who's interested in

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<v Speaker 1>training and bodies and sport and performance. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think of the concept of an enhanced Have you heard

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<v Speaker 1>of the enhanced games?

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<v Speaker 3>Not not in a real sense. I think I saw

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<v Speaker 3>a parody of it on a TV show, comedy show.

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<v Speaker 1>But noctually it's a real thing. Anyone who breaks a

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<v Speaker 1>world record gets a million US. Yeah, it's a real

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<v Speaker 1>thing and it's happening. TIF Can you just find out

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<v Speaker 1>when is it happening this? I feel like it's in

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<v Speaker 1>a few months. It's pretty close. What are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Doc, Well, I mean it, it certainly doesn't imbue fairness,

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<v Speaker 3>right because you you know, so it shouldn't count as

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<v Speaker 3>a world record. It's like Barry Bonds and American Baseball

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<v Speaker 3>when he hit the you know, the most home runs.

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<v Speaker 3>But oh, by the way, he was juice and he

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<v Speaker 3>was taking something, so you know, not fair right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he got it. He has an asterisknicks to his name

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<v Speaker 3>for that record, so es So I don't know about that,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's interesting, and I can tell you that a

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<v Speaker 3>vast majority of my biohacking clients, including myself, do fall

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<v Speaker 3>under this. Now I'm not seeking a world record. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not competing, but I'm enhancing. Yeah, you know, I'm pushing

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 3>sixty and I need some muscle mass. I need to

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 3>burn fat better. I need to metabolism up. I need

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<v Speaker 3>to be at the top of my game because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing top of the game touch stuff with stem cells

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:22.080
<v Speaker 3>and regenerate medicine. So I'm doing all that peptides testosterone

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 3>growth hormone releasing peptides, and you want to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this falls under the bioidentical hormone optimization that we were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about with Tiff. These are ways to keep your

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<v Speaker 3>cells functioning at a younger behavior. And if your cells

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 3>are functioning a younger behavior, your organs are. If your

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<v Speaker 3>organs are your body is, your body is, you are

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<v Speaker 3>effectively younger.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's becoming more and more kind of this approach

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<v Speaker 1>to anti aging. And you know, human optimization and using

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<v Speaker 1>growth hormone or testosterone. It's like coming close towards normal

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<v Speaker 1>in the States now.

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<v Speaker 3>Any enthusiast health and wellness alternative health and wellness enthusiasts,

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<v Speaker 3>we call them biohacker. It is almost ubiquitous. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>the people I met at this event we just got

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<v Speaker 3>back from forty three hundred people, the vast majority either

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<v Speaker 3>heard of it or on some element of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's the emergent thing in that space, what's new,

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<v Speaker 1>what's shiny? What are people excited about in the biohacking world.

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<v Speaker 3>Peptides There are thousands of different small proteins called peptides

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:42.679
<v Speaker 3>that have bioactivity, helps stimulate healing, help stimulate metabolism, muscle gains,

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<v Speaker 3>things like that. And there are some very big players

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:50.199
<v Speaker 3>in the space, and you see tons of new businesses

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<v Speaker 3>popping up where you can buy these peptides. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>and most of them have to be injected. So people

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.439
<v Speaker 3>are at home like myself, you know, taking a little

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<v Speaker 3>meaning injection every morning.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're just like, like to give people an idea,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like a little insulin needle, like a subcutaneous jab

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<v Speaker 1>in a tummy or.

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<v Speaker 3>Something absolutely correct at thirty one gauge, which is like

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 3>a little teeny botox needle so you barely feel it.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't go in very far at all, just under

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<v Speaker 3>the skin, just enough to give you some for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, yeah, well I reckon my

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<v Speaker 1>ten years behind in Australia. Like with that stuff, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you can't even you can't even have a conversation about it.

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<v Speaker 1>How is that stuff? How is it regulated? How is that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that must be an ever evolving kind of

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<v Speaker 1>landscape of trying to manage all the legal stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>the ethical and the stuff around that. Any idea how that.

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<v Speaker 3>Works, big idea is because you know, we have to

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<v Speaker 3>be very mind of that. So we're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>make any marketing claims under the what's our what's our

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<v Speaker 3>Food and Drug Administration? The FDA. They're not approved for

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<v Speaker 3>marketing claims, uh, and so they're considered sort of for

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 3>research use, so people have to they're not prescribed per se.

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 3>People have to go buy them online. You know. We

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 3>recommend places where they're third party tested and you know,

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 3>have you know, from a properly certified clean lab that's

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 3>following all the proper procedures to cGMP procedures and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>So so we trust them these labs. You know, I

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't trust everybody, but we have trusted ones and that's

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<v Speaker 3>where we buy them. Some some Australian folks actually came

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<v Speaker 3>up to our booth at the event because we had

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<v Speaker 3>an exhibit booth there and they were they were in

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<v Speaker 3>the States and they're loading up on the all the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff since they can't get it when they're home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, it's yeah you can, and you'd.

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<v Speaker 3>Be proud of me. I properly used bloke and Sheila

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<v Speaker 3>in a sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe don't use sheila too much. That's that's a little.

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<v Speaker 3>What was that wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you say you do a podcast with a bloke

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<v Speaker 2>and a Sheila from US?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? What?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I?

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<v Speaker 2>The Sheila?

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<v Speaker 3>You were a very that's not what I said, Although

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<v Speaker 3>yes I do a podcast once someone's with a bloke

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<v Speaker 3>and a Sheila.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you know when it's you, when you're American,

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<v Speaker 1>you can definitely get away with it. There's nothing, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong, but you know three people will get their

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>nose out of joint with that term these days. But

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<v Speaker 1>fucking in a loving way? So is it is? I

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<v Speaker 1>actually don't know this. I think I might get one

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>letter or number wrong. Is it BP one five seven

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>that's getting a bit of airtime at the moment? What

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>like one of my mates is one of my mates

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>is like, oh, you got to get on that. It's

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 1>going to fucking change your life. I don't even know

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 1>what it does. But what is that? And is that

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 1>getting a bit of exposure?

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's That's a very popular beginner peptide. It stands

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 3>for Body Protection Compound one five seven and it is

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 3>a common thing we use for healing healing a musculo

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 3>skeletal injury. It does help enhance collagen production and muscle

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 3>and tend and repair. It's usually part of a recipe

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 3>that we give and sometimes you do it for a cycle.

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 3>You do four to six weeks and you go off

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 3>and do something else so or you take a break

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 3>completely and that's when you take that and a few others.

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 3>It's called it's a really supercharges you're healing. The call

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 3>it the Wolverine protocol because of the comic book hero

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 3>of the Wolverine who heals himself.

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know that the bloke who plays the Wolverine

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>is a nausea right.

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 3>I hear he is? Yes here he can sing and

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 3>dance too.

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>He can, he can. He's singing, singing, dancing. Bloody webelf

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>for whatever is what? What do people get wrong about

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>aging and anti iging? Are they common misconceptions?

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 3>I think that the number one thing is, uh, You've

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 3>got people who are self inflicting wounds and they'll want

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>to do, Oh, I'll just take this vitamin or this

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 3>peptide and I'll continue to drink, you know, six beers

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 3>a day and those just not going to work. So

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 3>you got to you got to really It's okay to have,

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you're ore or two on the weekend,

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 3>but you you've got to behave you know, the vast

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 3>majority of the time, across all spectrum spectra of anti aging,

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 3>anti inflammatory behaviors, you know, exercise, diet, supplements, sleep, mindfulness, tech, regeneration,

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 3>all these different things. You you know, you want to

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 3>bring it together.

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't kind of undo one set of bad

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>behaviors by taking a pill or taken a jab once

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a day. What as objective as you can be about you,

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>which is not very because you're you. Just in case

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>you didn't know, how do you feel at you know, whatever,

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 1>you are, late fifties, how do you feel compared to

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty five year old you? Do you have any perspective.

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 3>A little bit? And I'm glad you brought this up

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 3>because now everyone can understand why the podcast is named

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 3>the EU Project, because it's all about me.

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>That is correct. Uh, And we're it Jeff's place.

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yes, So you know, I've been blessed with good

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 3>health for the most part. You know, I've got some

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 3>some injuries and things like anybody that's you know, leaves

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 3>leaves the front door every day. But I'm in better

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 3>shape now than I have been in the vast majority

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>of my life. Why because I'm really putting the effort in.

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, when I was I was in my thirties,

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 3>it was very early in my career because surgeons like me,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 3>we don't really start our careers until, you know, the

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 3>early half of our thirties. We're busy schooling all that

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 3>time and learning how to do stuff. And so that

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 3>was early in my career. So I was working, staying

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 3>up all night, taking calling emergency center and all that,

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 3>and I wasn't doing well. Someone actually told me a

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>statistic when I started my practice that surgeons have a

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 3>life expectancy of sixty eight years old. Wait a minute,

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm just starting work at thirty four. Yeah, you mean,

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, half my life to get here. Now, I'm

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 3>going to die soon. So it occurred to me that

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 3>and I correlated that. At some point I read on

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 3>the benefits of restoring of sleep, and I correlated that,

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 3>I said, you know what, I think it has to

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 3>do with the lack of sleep. So I only took

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 3>a mercy room call for a few years to get busy,

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 3>and then I slept. And I remember sleeping, having not

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 3>slept for most of medical school, residency, fellowship, chief residency,

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 3>and early practice probably twenty years. Not sleeping well either. Either.

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 3>You try to fall asleep and your pager goes off.

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 3>Because this is back when we had pagers. You may

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>recall those in the dark ages and then and even

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 3>on the nights where you weren't taking call, you're still

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 3>in that anxious state where you think your page is

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 3>going to go off. So I didn't have a dream

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 3>for like twenty years, so I wasn't hitting those deeper

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 3>restorative sleep cycles. So when I stopped taking call after

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 3>a few months, I started to dream again. Wow, and

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 3>I realized that, you know, sleep was a big important thing.

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 3>And if you talk to Brian Johnson, who's the you know,

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 3>the guy with the blueprint who's working on a significant

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 3>life extension, sleep is one of his top probably three

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 3>things that he correlates with his improvement in his longevity markers.

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>He's been dude on Netflix. There's a special TIF. Can

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>you find the name of that Brian Johnson. I should

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>watch that. I kind of I've been I will say

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I've been a little bit judgy. He kind of annoys me.

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>But he's probably onto something I don't know, but I

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know. That's very judgmental he is.

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 3>He is pushing the envelope and trying things, so he's

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 3>a he's a self experimenter. So I like that he's

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 3>wanting to try things and yeah, yeah, he's really working

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 3>at it.

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Do you reckon that? Do you think it's a good idea?

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Within reason? Obviously depends what we're talking about. But for

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>people to do, you know, to run their own exp experiments.

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>And by that I mean, don't whack yourself on some

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>weird drug. I mean, but you know, go, oh, you

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm going to do two weeks with zero

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>caffeine and see what happens to my body. Oh?

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we do it anyway, we unbeknownst to us, we're

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 3>all experimenting on ourselves. You know, absolutely, you don't know

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.439
<v Speaker 3>how you're going to respond until you do that. And

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's good if you base it on something

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 3>you can find that has some scientific you know, clout

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:28.919
<v Speaker 3>to it. But at the end of the day, how

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 3>you respond to something may be different than someone else.

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 3>So you've got to try it, whether it is a

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 3>whacked out drug or not.

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's well. Yeah, Now, asking for a friend not

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>may of course, But if someone was to take testoster right,

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>not asking for me, just a friend, how much would

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:50.280
<v Speaker 1>they start on? What's a therapeutic what's a therapeutic number

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>of milligrams? Per week.

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, we would first we would check your

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 3>blood tests. We would check your total tisastrone. You're free

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 3>to astrone, your bioavailable to sostroone. We would check your

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 3>DHA because sometimes DHA, which is a supplement here in

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 3>the US, is a building block of testosterone. Some people

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 3>just need more building block, you know. So we would

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 3>check all those things, and then we would value in

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 3>based upon your levels and your needs. And it still

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 3>may need to be adjusted. But you know, if it's topical,

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, you might go with, you know, one hundred

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>milligrams a week. If it's injected, it's different. I don't

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 3>have the tables in front of me, but injectible is

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 3>a lower dose because you're already putting inside your body.

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Topical tough to get in you. But and the topical

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 3>is a daily, the injectable might be a weekly. Although

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 3>people can take in different methods. There's now a medication

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 3>you can take that raises your testosterone orally. So I

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 3>don't know much about it yet. They were at this event,

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 3>but we were so busy manning our booth we didn't

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get to snoop around and see what else

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 3>is going on, and.

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 1>What about for women, would it be something like about.

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, about a tenth. You know, we want a women's

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 3>testosterone probably around fifty milligrams per milli leader. The lab

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 3>reports are different units in different parts of the world,

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 3>so don't memorize my number. Look at your your lab

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 3>reports if you do it, because someplace go by desolator

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 3>per desolator picograms per desolator instead of milligrams per cc. So,

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:43.839
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, women need testosterone. Like Tiff said, she's not motivated.

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 3>She doesn't want to punch anybody, you know, she wants

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 3>to sell on the couch with her feet up. Probably

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 3>so that that that's a lot of testosterone.

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>In my mind, there's testosterone. I feel like it doesn't.

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>But the female homeminds fluctuate throughout the cycle, so it

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>can be very hard to get a baseline on that

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 2>from most tps without regular testing. Does testosterone fluctuate in females.

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 3>A good question. There's fluctuation for men and women with

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 3>lunar cycles, with all kinds of things, but it's not

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:23.919
<v Speaker 3>as much as the estrogen. Progesterones will fluctuate. But once

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:28.400
<v Speaker 3>a woman is truly postmenopausal, we usually replace that woman

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 3>at a static level because she's not cycling, she's not

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>having that need to cycle.

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I never thought of that. That's a very good point.

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 3>A great question. If your pre metopouzle and still cycling,

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 3>then there are variations in the replacement where you do

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 3>replace it, you know, so more at one time of

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 3>the month and less at another time of the month.

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>So while you've got the dock at your disposal tip,

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you just you keep thinking, I'm going to ask more questions.

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 1>But if you've got another personal consult question two questions.

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 2>Those games are held in May twenty first May, and

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the movie that Brian Johnson is in is The Man

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't want to die, Don't Die, the Man who

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.240
<v Speaker 2>wants to live forever. I just read something that completely

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't doubt.

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:21.399
<v Speaker 3>His teacher says, don't die.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't die. I might. I might step off my

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>judgmental high horse and have a watch of that tonight

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>without disclosing anything you shouldn't disclose, Doc, could you tell

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 1>us about an amazing outcome you've got with a patient

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:45.240
<v Speaker 1>using you know, regenerative protocols, like is now a person

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you can talk about that you went there? It is amazing.

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me so, and this is public and there's

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 3>there's a friend of mine. He's our friend. Started out

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 3>as as patient. So he he he kid to me,

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 3>said Jeff, every year I do something hard. He's in

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 3>the real estate industry and he has a YouTube channel.

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give you the channel in case you

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 3>guys want to check out this guy. His name is

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.879
<v Speaker 3>Michael Zumber and his channel is called one Rental at

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 3>a Time. He teaches people how to how to become

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 3>a you know, a real estate baron, you know, for

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 3>renting out properties. He's based here in the US and

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 3>last year he ran a marathon for that was his

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 3>He trained for it and he ran it. So he

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 3>came to me, he said, I want to I want

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 3>to transform my body. I want to get in shape.

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 3>I want to like, can you take me through at

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 3>a to Z? I said sure. So we started first

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:43.720
<v Speaker 3>of the year with a with a three day fast

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 3>we did together, and we every month we do a

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 3>YouTube broad podcast. He started the year with a body

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 3>fat percentage of thirty five ish thirty six percent. He

0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:00.839
<v Speaker 3>is now sub fifteen percent wo and we just hit

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 3>five five complete months. Today's today's well here it's June second,

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 3>it's June third where you are. Let me say happy

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 3>birthday to my wife on June third. I can say

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 3>that in Australia. She won't hear it until tomorrow, but

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 3>I just want to get that out there.

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:24.320
<v Speaker 1>What's her first name? Lilah, Lilah, Happy birthday from Harps

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.479
<v Speaker 1>and Tiff and from the land down under. We hope

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>it's great. And I want to say also, Lailah, Lila, Lilah.

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 3>Sorry is it Lila?

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, you're a saint for putting up

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>with that motherfucker. How do you do that? She has

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>some kind of award.

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, she's got a birthday present coming tomorrow. I

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 3>want to want to give a secret away, but it's coming.

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 3>So but thank you for that. And so so Michael

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 3>Zuber is doing so We've created a program around him

0:40:56.360 --> 0:41:01.320
<v Speaker 3>called Biotransformation, And we started out with die and exercise

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>tweaks and protein intake and supplements and you know how

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 3>many steps a day and sleep and and he's doing great.

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<v Speaker 3>And every month we track his progress. So and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what we do for him might be different than what

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 3>we do for someone else to get him there, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very proud of him. He's doing great. So check

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<v Speaker 3>it out. He has a playlist with this, this with

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<v Speaker 3>the two of us. Because most of his stuff is

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<v Speaker 3>real estate, which is good content. But check out the

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 3>biotransformation stuff we're doing with him. It's it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>How old is he? If I can ask, he's I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty three something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for him, Good for him. I bet his bio

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<v Speaker 1>ages dropped two a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>We did. We did a bioage test at the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of the year, and he was quite old. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the number in front of me on that test

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<v Speaker 3>older than his stated age. We're going to repeat that

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<v Speaker 3>test at the end of the year and we'll we'll

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 3>report back on all of his mett. We did physical

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 3>measurements at the beginning of the year. We did how

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<v Speaker 3>long you know, can he hang from pull up bar?

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<v Speaker 3>We did everything and uh, body composition on an in

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<v Speaker 3>body machine. You have those down there? Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so all that and we're gonna oh he actually did

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<v Speaker 3>a Dexa scam. We did a Dexa for body comp Wow. Yeah,

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 3>so we he's invested in. We did a full lab panel.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the biotransformation program. It's a twelve month

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of product we're trying to put together. It's individualized precision.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a left turn, but I wanted to ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we've got like five minutes to go, because

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<v Speaker 1>Tip's got a date.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, I'm good now for another half

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<v Speaker 2>an hour so you can go over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay. There are a relationship between chronic pine and aging.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like people who deal with chronic pine kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get all the faster.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think you're right, and I think that overlaps.

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<v Speaker 3>The Venn diagram includes that chronic inflammatory stress point right

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 3>the fight or flight. You have more pain if your

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 3>sympathetic system is overcharged. If you have more you know

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 3>of those circulating proteins and neurotransmitters going that when you're

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 3>in stress, and people relaxed and happy and laughing have

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 3>less pain, more on the parasympathetic side. So chronic accumulation

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.959
<v Speaker 3>of having too much of the bad side will age

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<v Speaker 3>you faster at the cellular level. This is all happening

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<v Speaker 3>at the cellular level, and that's how we measure it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a fan of people tracking everything that they do?

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.959
<v Speaker 1>You know, like it from whether it's sleep, whether it's food,

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>whether it's text sides, whether it's mood, energy, tea, coffee, booze, supplements,

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and literally you know, creating. Like that's where the name

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>of the You project came from. Like I used to

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:25.799
<v Speaker 1>say to all of my clients, you're the project. It's

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>like literally the You project. And the biggest management project

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you'll ever have is literally looking after you. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>like people kind of teaching themselves and learning that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And as long as it's not a burden, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some things you could you can measure periodically at the

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 3>beginning when you really want to study the effects of

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 3>things on yourself, Like you want to wear a glucose

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 3>monitor and see what how rice affects your insulin and

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 3>your your glucose in your body. You can learn a

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 3>bunch of things and then you don't have to wear

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 3>the thing much. You know, word it are you already

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 3>learned from that. You might go back and spot check

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 3>it later. But so so I don't want people to

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:08.879
<v Speaker 3>get sort of bugged out with like, oh, I got

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.879
<v Speaker 3>to measure everything I eat and every gram of this

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 3>and how many reps of you know, forty kilograms I

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 3>can do, and that kind of thing we so, so

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 3>you've got to make it where it's it's an achievable

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<v Speaker 3>task without detracting from the goal.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a good point. If I feel like you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a question for the doc before we say goodbye.

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Just processing it all, just processing it, just like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Mere cat staring down the barrel.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just really reflecting on you know, how easily

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 2>things like that can become a little bit negative in

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 2>how you then react or think about them when you

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>know you know what affects you, and how like sleep.

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 2>As my sleep declined, I could get more stress. There's

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 2>times when I've periods of time in the past I've

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>had to take my watch off and because I wake up,

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I look at it and I get no deep or

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 2>rem according to a watch that has not the best

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>ability to tell me that level of info, and it

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 2>ruins my whole day. And I'm like, well, I haven't slept.

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Now I haven't slept. I'm going to die early. It's

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<v Speaker 2>what ten years off my life. What's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting, isn't it. I imagine if you got

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 1>up and however you felt you weren't sure how you

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>felt and it went you had three hours of good sleep.

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 1>You're like, fuck versus that told you you had seven. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you were in the same state. But now

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>you think you had seven good hours of sleep. I

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 1>bet you're going to have a better day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this a great idea. We should create a

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 3>health and wellness out that that leverages the placebo effect

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.839
<v Speaker 3>like that all day on. You know, Oh, wow, you

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 3>ate great today, you exercised enough, you slept great, You're

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 3>at the top of your game physically.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hilarious. Yeah, we could call it the bullshit yourself app.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, then you're taking away the placebo.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's true, that's true. That's true. Uh hi, doc,

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<v Speaker 1>How do people connect with you and find you and

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 1>learn a little bit more about what you do?

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, first, they need to listen to each and every

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 3>episode where I appear with Craig or Craig and Tiff

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 3>on the U Project name for me because it's all

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:38.399
<v Speaker 3>about me. And also at re celebrate dot com where

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:42.399
<v Speaker 3>we celebrate the renewal of yourselves. R E C E

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<v Speaker 3>L L E B R A t E. You can

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 3>find us on Instagram, LinkedIn TikTok. You know all those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect Mike with saygobae here, but once again, we appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy birthday, Lala. I hope you have a good due tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you can tell. Well, actually maybe you can't,

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.240
<v Speaker 1>because this might be up before she gets her present.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask you off air, have a good have a

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<v Speaker 1>good evening, mate, and we'll see you in a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, Tiff, thank you, right back at you both. Thank you.