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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the You Project. We're just in

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Speaker 1: the middle of some mayhem and ridiculous over here at

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Speaker 1: typ Central Tiffany and doctor Jeffer probably, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be honest, not a great combination. They get a little

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Speaker 1: bit ahead of themselves. Tip's about to get a free consult.

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Speaker 1: I was somehow talking about my left testicle and that

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Speaker 1: was all before the good stuff is about to start.

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Speaker 1: So good morning, Tif.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, all right, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: Hello Jeff Hello, Hello, good morning to you, and good

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Speaker 3: afternoon from Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Oh bloody Las Vegas. Have you been to Las Vegas? Tip? No, No,

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Speaker 1: It's the city that never sleeps, dude. I've been there

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. It's it's a lot, it's sensory overload.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a lot, but it's it's cool. I would

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Speaker 1: it's not amazing, but I'd have ADHD and all the

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Speaker 1: things if I live there. It's busy. How's your Let's

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Speaker 1: dive right in, because you know we're very open here

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Speaker 1: at the U Project. How's your erry menopausal body going, Tip?

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Speaker 2: What bloody chaos hearts?

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Speaker 3: I've had enough of it.

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Speaker 2: I've got three and a half hours sleep the night

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Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting pains, which I haven't had since

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Speaker 2: I was an adolescent child. I'm tired, I'm demotivated. It's

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Speaker 2: utter bullshit.

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Speaker 1: And do you want to punch someone in the face?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't have the bloody energy that I used to,

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Speaker 2: So I'm not even getting to punch people in the

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Speaker 1: Well, Doctor Jeff, no pressure, but if you could fix

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Speaker 1: all of that in the next forty minutes, that'd be great,

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Speaker 1: easy peasy. When I start feeling shit, Tiff, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm consulting you now. Just get comfortable. Just line

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Speaker 1: the couch. When when did all of this mayhem start?

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Speaker 2: So back when I reckon it was a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, two and a half to two years ago.

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Speaker 2: It was back remember when I was going to start

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Speaker 2: then I just crashed and then I couldn't recover, and

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Speaker 2: started asking a question, but I was like, oh, is

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Speaker 2: this just burnout? Is this just training? Is this? And

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Speaker 2: then I just feel like two years have passed and

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Speaker 2: I've tried all of the things that I'm in a

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Speaker 2: a less and less is working now?

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Speaker 1: Wow yeah wow Wow. Over to you, Doc. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you could come up with some kind of magic,

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Speaker 1: that would be great, no pressure, but you know.

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Speaker 3: The magic exist. It's called bioidentical hormone optimization, where both

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Speaker 3: for men and women. Of course, with women it's more precipitous,

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Speaker 3: decline in our hormones. And it works like this as

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Speaker 3: you age. It was always thought that your hormones tend

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Speaker 3: to decline in men testosterone and women estrogen, progesterone and testosterone. However,

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Speaker 3: not let them decline or replace them artificially with bioidentical

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Speaker 3: And I keep saying bioidentical, so it's clear I don't

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Speaker 3: mean synthetic derivatives of horse urine aka premarin. So for

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Speaker 3: both men and women, the longer you preserve a youthful profile,

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Speaker 1: you and your hormones on tiff in your endocrine system team. Thanks, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: team tiff Hi Doc, now to you, how are you?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean up to? Has things? Has Las Vegas,

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that compound question. I had just

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Speaker 1: A big gap. That's nearly a five year gap. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Tiff?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And now is it back back?

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's the pesticides and our food and

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Speaker 3: Peptides There are thousands of different small proteins called peptides

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Speaker 3: where we buy them. Some some Australian folks actually came

431
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: up to our booth at the event because we had

432
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: an exhibit booth there and they were they were in

433
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: the States and they're loading up on the all the

434
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: stuff since they can't get it when they're home.

435
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, it's yeah you can, and you'd.

436
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 3: Be proud of me. I properly used bloke and Sheila

437
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: in a sentence.

438
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: Maybe don't use sheila too much. That's that's a little.

439
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: What was that wrong?

440
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: Did you say you do a podcast with a bloke

441
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: and a Sheila from US?

442
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: Is that? What?

443
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: Am I?

444
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: The Sheila?

445
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: You were a very that's not what I said, Although

446
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: yes I do a podcast once someone's with a bloke

447
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: and a Sheila.

448
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: But do you know when it's you, when you're American,

449
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: you can definitely get away with it. There's nothing, there's

450
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: nothing wrong, but you know three people will get their

451
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: nose out of joint with that term these days. But

452
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: fucking in a loving way? So is it is? I

453
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: actually don't know this. I think I might get one

454
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: letter or number wrong. Is it BP one five seven

455
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: that's getting a bit of airtime at the moment? What

456
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: like one of my mates is one of my mates

457
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: is like, oh, you got to get on that. It's

458
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: going to fucking change your life. I don't even know

459
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: what it does. But what is that? And is that

460
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: getting a bit of exposure?

461
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's That's a very popular beginner peptide. It stands

462
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: for Body Protection Compound one five seven and it is

463
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: a common thing we use for healing healing a musculo

464
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: skeletal injury. It does help enhance collagen production and muscle

465
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: and tend and repair. It's usually part of a recipe

466
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: that we give and sometimes you do it for a cycle.

467
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: You do four to six weeks and you go off

468
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 3: and do something else so or you take a break

469
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: completely and that's when you take that and a few others.

470
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: It's called it's a really supercharges you're healing. The call

471
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: it the Wolverine protocol because of the comic book hero

472
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: of the Wolverine who heals himself.

473
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: Well, you know that the bloke who plays the Wolverine

474
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: is a nausea right.

475
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: I hear he is? Yes here he can sing and

476
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: dance too.

477
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: He can, he can. He's singing, singing, dancing. Bloody webelf

478
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: for whatever is what? What do people get wrong about

479
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: aging and anti iging? Are they common misconceptions?

480
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: I think that the number one thing is, uh, You've

481
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: got people who are self inflicting wounds and they'll want

482
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: to do, Oh, I'll just take this vitamin or this

483
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: peptide and I'll continue to drink, you know, six beers

484
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: a day and those just not going to work. So

485
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: you got to you got to really It's okay to have,

486
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: you know, if you're ore or two on the weekend,

487
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: but you you've got to behave you know, the vast

488
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: majority of the time, across all spectrum spectra of anti aging,

489
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: anti inflammatory behaviors, you know, exercise, diet, supplements, sleep, mindfulness, tech, regeneration,

490
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: all these different things. You you know, you want to

491
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: bring it together.

492
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't kind of undo one set of bad

493
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: behaviors by taking a pill or taken a jab once

494
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: a day. What as objective as you can be about you,

495
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: which is not very because you're you. Just in case

496
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: you didn't know, how do you feel at you know, whatever,

497
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: you are, late fifties, how do you feel compared to

498
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: thirty five year old you? Do you have any perspective.

499
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: A little bit? And I'm glad you brought this up

500
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: because now everyone can understand why the podcast is named

501
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 3: the EU Project, because it's all about me.

502
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: That is correct. Uh, And we're it Jeff's place.

503
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, So you know, I've been blessed with good

504
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: health for the most part. You know, I've got some

505
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: some injuries and things like anybody that's you know, leaves

506
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: leaves the front door every day. But I'm in better

507
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: shape now than I have been in the vast majority

508
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: of my life. Why because I'm really putting the effort in.

509
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: You know, when I was I was in my thirties,

510
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: it was very early in my career because surgeons like me,

511
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: we don't really start our careers until, you know, the

512
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: early half of our thirties. We're busy schooling all that

513
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: time and learning how to do stuff. And so that

514
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: was early in my career. So I was working, staying

515
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: up all night, taking calling emergency center and all that,

516
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: and I wasn't doing well. Someone actually told me a

517
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: statistic when I started my practice that surgeons have a

518
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: life expectancy of sixty eight years old. Wait a minute,

519
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm just starting work at thirty four. Yeah, you mean,

520
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: you know, half my life to get here. Now, I'm

521
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: going to die soon. So it occurred to me that

522
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: and I correlated that. At some point I read on

523
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: the benefits of restoring of sleep, and I correlated that,

524
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I think it has to

525
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: do with the lack of sleep. So I only took

526
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: a mercy room call for a few years to get busy,

527
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: and then I slept. And I remember sleeping, having not

528
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: slept for most of medical school, residency, fellowship, chief residency,

529
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: and early practice probably twenty years. Not sleeping well either. Either.

530
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: You try to fall asleep and your pager goes off.

531
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: Because this is back when we had pagers. You may

532
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: recall those in the dark ages and then and even

533
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: on the nights where you weren't taking call, you're still

534
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: in that anxious state where you think your page is

535
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: going to go off. So I didn't have a dream

536
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: for like twenty years, so I wasn't hitting those deeper

537
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: restorative sleep cycles. So when I stopped taking call after

538
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: a few months, I started to dream again. Wow, and

539
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: I realized that, you know, sleep was a big important thing.

540
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: And if you talk to Brian Johnson, who's the you know,

541
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: the guy with the blueprint who's working on a significant

542
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: life extension, sleep is one of his top probably three

543
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: things that he correlates with his improvement in his longevity markers.

544
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: He's been dude on Netflix. There's a special TIF. Can

545
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you find the name of that Brian Johnson. I should

546
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: watch that. I kind of I've been I will say

547
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I've been a little bit judgy. He kind of annoys me.

548
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: But he's probably onto something I don't know, but I

549
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: don't know. That's very judgmental he is.

550
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: He is pushing the envelope and trying things, so he's

551
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: a he's a self experimenter. So I like that he's

552
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: wanting to try things and yeah, yeah, he's really working

553
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: at it.

554
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that? Do you think it's a good idea?

555
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: Within reason? Obviously depends what we're talking about. But for

556
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: people to do, you know, to run their own exp experiments.

557
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: And by that I mean, don't whack yourself on some

558
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: weird drug. I mean, but you know, go, oh, you

559
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to do two weeks with zero

560
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: caffeine and see what happens to my body. Oh?

561
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do it anyway, we unbeknownst to us, we're

562
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: all experimenting on ourselves. You know, absolutely, you don't know

563
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 3: how you're going to respond until you do that. And

564
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: you know, it's good if you base it on something

565
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: you can find that has some scientific you know, clout

566
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 3: to it. But at the end of the day, how

567
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: you respond to something may be different than someone else.

568
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: So you've got to try it, whether it is a

569
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: whacked out drug or not.

570
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well. Yeah, Now, asking for a friend not

571
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: may of course, But if someone was to take testoster right,

572
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: not asking for me, just a friend, how much would

573
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: they start on? What's a therapeutic what's a therapeutic number

574
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: of milligrams? Per week.

575
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we would first we would check your

576
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: blood tests. We would check your total tisastrone. You're free

577
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: to astrone, your bioavailable to sostroone. We would check your

578
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: DHA because sometimes DHA, which is a supplement here in

579
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: the US, is a building block of testosterone. Some people

580
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: just need more building block, you know. So we would

581
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: check all those things, and then we would value in

582
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: based upon your levels and your needs. And it still

583
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: may need to be adjusted. But you know, if it's topical,

584
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: you know, you might go with, you know, one hundred

585
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: milligrams a week. If it's injected, it's different. I don't

586
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: have the tables in front of me, but injectible is

587
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: a lower dose because you're already putting inside your body.

588
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: Topical tough to get in you. But and the topical

589
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: is a daily, the injectable might be a weekly. Although

590
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: people can take in different methods. There's now a medication

591
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: you can take that raises your testosterone orally. So I

592
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: don't know much about it yet. They were at this event,

593
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: but we were so busy manning our booth we didn't

594
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: I didn't get to snoop around and see what else

595
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: is going on, and.

596
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: What about for women, would it be something like about.

597
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, about a tenth. You know, we want a women's

598
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: testosterone probably around fifty milligrams per milli leader. The lab

599
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: reports are different units in different parts of the world,

600
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: so don't memorize my number. Look at your your lab

601
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: reports if you do it, because someplace go by desolator

602
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: per desolator picograms per desolator instead of milligrams per cc. So,

603
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 3: but yeah, women need testosterone. Like Tiff said, she's not motivated.

604
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: She doesn't want to punch anybody, you know, she wants

605
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: to sell on the couch with her feet up. Probably

606
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: so that that that's a lot of testosterone.

607
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: In my mind, there's testosterone. I feel like it doesn't.

608
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: But the female homeminds fluctuate throughout the cycle, so it

609
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: can be very hard to get a baseline on that

610
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: from most tps without regular testing. Does testosterone fluctuate in females.

611
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: A good question. There's fluctuation for men and women with

612
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: lunar cycles, with all kinds of things, but it's not

613
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 3: as much as the estrogen. Progesterones will fluctuate. But once

614
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: a woman is truly postmenopausal, we usually replace that woman

615
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: at a static level because she's not cycling, she's not

616
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: having that need to cycle.

617
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I never thought of that. That's a very good point.

618
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: A great question. If your pre metopouzle and still cycling,

619
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: then there are variations in the replacement where you do

620
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: replace it, you know, so more at one time of

621
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: the month and less at another time of the month.

622
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: So while you've got the dock at your disposal tip,

623
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: you just you keep thinking, I'm going to ask more questions.

624
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: But if you've got another personal consult question two questions.

625
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 2: Those games are held in May twenty first May, and

626
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: the movie that Brian Johnson is in is The Man

627
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to die, Don't Die, the Man who

628
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: wants to live forever. I just read something that completely

629
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: wasn't doubt.

630
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: His teacher says, don't die.

631
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't die. I might. I might step off my

632
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: judgmental high horse and have a watch of that tonight

633
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: without disclosing anything you shouldn't disclose, Doc, could you tell

634
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: us about an amazing outcome you've got with a patient

635
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: using you know, regenerative protocols, like is now a person

636
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: you can talk about that you went there? It is amazing.

637
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me so, and this is public and there's

638
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: there's a friend of mine. He's our friend. Started out

639
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: as as patient. So he he he kid to me,

640
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: said Jeff, every year I do something hard. He's in

641
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: the real estate industry and he has a YouTube channel.

642
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the channel in case you

643
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: guys want to check out this guy. His name is

644
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Speaker 3: Michael Zumber and his channel is called one Rental at

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Speaker 3: a Time. He teaches people how to how to become

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Speaker 3: a you know, a real estate baron, you know, for

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Speaker 3: renting out properties. He's based here in the US and

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Speaker 3: last year he ran a marathon for that was his

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Speaker 3: He trained for it and he ran it. So he

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Speaker 3: came to me, he said, I want to I want

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Speaker 3: to transform my body. I want to get in shape.

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Speaker 3: I want to like, can you take me through at

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Speaker 3: a to Z? I said sure. So we started first

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Speaker 3: of the year with a with a three day fast

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Speaker 3: we did together, and we every month we do a

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Speaker 3: YouTube broad podcast. He started the year with a body

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Speaker 3: fat percentage of thirty five ish thirty six percent. He

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Speaker 3: is now sub fifteen percent wo and we just hit

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Speaker 3: five five complete months. Today's today's well here it's June second,

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Speaker 3: it's June third where you are. Let me say happy

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Speaker 3: birthday to my wife on June third. I can say

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Speaker 3: that in Australia. She won't hear it until tomorrow, but

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Speaker 3: I just want to get that out there.

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Speaker 1: What's her first name? Lilah, Lilah, Happy birthday from Harps

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Speaker 1: and Tiff and from the land down under. We hope

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Speaker 1: it's great. And I want to say also, Lailah, Lila, Lilah.

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Speaker 3: Sorry is it Lila?

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Speaker 1: I want to say, you're a saint for putting up

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Speaker 1: with that motherfucker. How do you do that? She has

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Speaker 1: some kind of award.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, she's got a birthday present coming tomorrow. I

672
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Speaker 3: want to want to give a secret away, but it's coming.

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Speaker 3: So but thank you for that. And so so Michael

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Speaker 3: Zuber is doing so We've created a program around him

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Speaker 3: called Biotransformation, And we started out with die and exercise

676
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: tweaks and protein intake and supplements and you know how

677
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Speaker 3: many steps a day and sleep and and he's doing great.

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Speaker 3: And every month we track his progress. So and you know,

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Speaker 3: what we do for him might be different than what

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Speaker 3: we do for someone else to get him there, but

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Speaker 3: I'm very proud of him. He's doing great. So check

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Speaker 3: it out. He has a playlist with this, this with

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Speaker 3: the two of us. Because most of his stuff is

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Speaker 3: real estate, which is good content. But check out the

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Speaker 3: biotransformation stuff we're doing with him. It's it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: How old is he? If I can ask, he's I

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Speaker 1: think he's.

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Speaker 3: Fifty three something like that.

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Speaker 1: Good for him, Good for him. I bet his bio

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Speaker 1: ages dropped two a bit.

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Speaker 3: We did. We did a bioage test at the beginning

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Speaker 3: of the year, and he was quite old. I don't

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Speaker 3: have the number in front of me on that test

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Speaker 3: older than his stated age. We're going to repeat that

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Speaker 3: test at the end of the year and we'll we'll

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Speaker 3: report back on all of his mett. We did physical

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Speaker 3: measurements at the beginning of the year. We did how

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Speaker 3: long you know, can he hang from pull up bar?

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Speaker 3: We did everything and uh, body composition on an in

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Speaker 3: body machine. You have those down there? Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: so all that and we're gonna oh he actually did

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Speaker 3: a Dexa scam. We did a Dexa for body comp Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so we he's invested in. We did a full lab panel.

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Speaker 3: So this is the biotransformation program. It's a twelve month

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Speaker 3: kind of product we're trying to put together. It's individualized precision.

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Speaker 1: This is a left turn, but I wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 1: I know, we've got like five minutes to go, because

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Speaker 1: Tip's got a date.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I'm good now for another half

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Speaker 2: an hour so you can go over time.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay. There are a relationship between chronic pine and aging.

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Speaker 1: I feel like people who deal with chronic pine kind

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Speaker 1: of get all the faster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you're right, and I think that overlaps.

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Speaker 3: The Venn diagram includes that chronic inflammatory stress point right

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00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: the fight or flight. You have more pain if your

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00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: sympathetic system is overcharged. If you have more you know

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00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: of those circulating proteins and neurotransmitters going that when you're

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Speaker 3: in stress, and people relaxed and happy and laughing have

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Speaker 3: less pain, more on the parasympathetic side. So chronic accumulation

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Speaker 3: of having too much of the bad side will age

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Speaker 3: you faster at the cellular level. This is all happening

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Speaker 3: at the cellular level, and that's how we measure it.

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Speaker 1: Are you a fan of people tracking everything that they do?

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Speaker 1: You know, like it from whether it's sleep, whether it's food,

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Speaker 1: whether it's text sides, whether it's mood, energy, tea, coffee, booze, supplements,

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Speaker 1: and literally you know, creating. Like that's where the name

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Speaker 1: of the You project came from. Like I used to

729
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: say to all of my clients, you're the project. It's

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Speaker 1: like literally the You project. And the biggest management project

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Speaker 1: you'll ever have is literally looking after you. Do you

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Speaker 1: like people kind of teaching themselves and learning that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as long as it's not a burden, you know,

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Speaker 3: some things you could you can measure periodically at the

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Speaker 3: beginning when you really want to study the effects of

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Speaker 3: things on yourself, Like you want to wear a glucose

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Speaker 3: monitor and see what how rice affects your insulin and

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Speaker 3: your your glucose in your body. You can learn a

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Speaker 3: bunch of things and then you don't have to wear

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Speaker 3: the thing much. You know, word it are you already

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Speaker 3: learned from that. You might go back and spot check

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Speaker 3: it later. But so so I don't want people to

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Speaker 3: get sort of bugged out with like, oh, I got

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Speaker 3: to measure everything I eat and every gram of this

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Speaker 3: and how many reps of you know, forty kilograms I

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Speaker 3: can do, and that kind of thing we so, so

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Speaker 3: you've got to make it where it's it's an achievable

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Speaker 3: task without detracting from the goal.

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Speaker 1: And that's a good point. If I feel like you've

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Speaker 1: got a question for the doc before we say goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Just processing it all, just processing it, just like a.

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Speaker 1: Mere cat staring down the barrel.

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Speaker 2: I was just really reflecting on you know, how easily

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Speaker 2: things like that can become a little bit negative in

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Speaker 2: how you then react or think about them when you

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Speaker 2: know you know what affects you, and how like sleep.

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Speaker 2: As my sleep declined, I could get more stress. There's

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Speaker 2: times when I've periods of time in the past I've

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Speaker 2: had to take my watch off and because I wake up,

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Speaker 2: I look at it and I get no deep or

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Speaker 2: rem according to a watch that has not the best

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Speaker 2: ability to tell me that level of info, and it

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Speaker 2: ruins my whole day. And I'm like, well, I haven't slept.

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Speaker 2: Now I haven't slept. I'm going to die early. It's

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Speaker 2: what ten years off my life. What's the point.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting, isn't it. I imagine if you got

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Speaker 1: up and however you felt you weren't sure how you

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Speaker 1: felt and it went you had three hours of good sleep.

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Speaker 1: You're like, fuck versus that told you you had seven. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: even if you were in the same state. But now

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Speaker 1: you think you had seven good hours of sleep. I

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Speaker 1: bet you're going to have a better day. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, this a great idea. We should create a

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Speaker 3: health and wellness out that that leverages the placebo effect

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00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 3: like that all day on. You know, Oh, wow, you

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00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: ate great today, you exercised enough, you slept great, You're

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Speaker 3: at the top of your game physically.

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Yeah, we could call it the bullshit yourself app.

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Speaker 3: Well, then you're taking away the placebo.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's true, that's true. That's true. Uh hi, doc,

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Speaker 1: How do people connect with you and find you and

782
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about what you do?

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Speaker 3: Well, first, they need to listen to each and every

784
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Speaker 3: episode where I appear with Craig or Craig and Tiff

785
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: on the U Project name for me because it's all

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Speaker 3: about me. And also at re celebrate dot com where

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Speaker 3: we celebrate the renewal of yourselves. R E C E

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Speaker 3: L L E B R A t E. You can

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Speaker 3: find us on Instagram, LinkedIn TikTok. You know all those things.

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Speaker 1: Perfect Mike with saygobae here, but once again, we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Lala. I hope you have a good due tomorrow.

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00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: You know you can tell. Well, actually maybe you can't,

793
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: because this might be up before she gets her present.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask you off air, have a good have a

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Speaker 1: good evening, mate, and we'll see you in a month.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Tiff, thank you, right back at you both. Thank you.