1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Craig Anthony Harper. It's the 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: nineteenth of the first, twenty twenty six. It's a Monday. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: It's the year as well. The new year is well underway. 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. Some things are happening. The wheels are turning. 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: People are getting excited. Some people will have fallen off 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: the wagon. Some people are still on the fucking wagon. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: Did you set any specific goals? Cook? Welcome Tiffany and Cook. 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Did you set any goals that just happened to line 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: up with the new year? 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 2: Or not? 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Really? Not really? 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: Not really. I have a feel I feel like this 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: year is going to be very different for me, just 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: because I did the course last year and I know 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: that it will be different. But I didn't set new goals. 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: I kind of went, I wonder how this will unfold, 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: And when I'm ready to switch back on for the year, 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: I'll explore that. 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: What percentage of people do you reckon? Are really good 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: with structure and process and timeline and goals and to 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: do list? And I feel like, like I say that 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: shit all the time. Turn your idea into a plan, right, 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: because an idea great, but it's not a plan. There's 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: no structure, process, accountability, blah blah blah blah blah, and 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: all of that makes sense. However, you know, SODA's not 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: eating shit, but that doesn't work well for the population. 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: SODA's not getting pissed a lot well for quite a percentage, 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: that doesn't work, you know, not being a fuck with well, 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: A few people struggle with that, including me. I feel 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: like sometimes, you know, despite the alleged logic and strategy 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: and critical thinking that comes out of my mouth, I 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: say alleged, it almost doesn't matter. Like the quality of 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: the advice, if we can call it that, or ideas 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: or stories or messages or research or data that we 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: share on this show is probably five percent ninety five 36 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: percent is do people understand it? Do they will they 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: do something with it? Will they keep doing something with it? Yeah, 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: which makes me feel a little redundant sometimes, But you 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: know you're going to keep You're going to keep like 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: shout from the rooftops and just hope someone like I think, 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: imagine this like I've literally saved a person's life, which 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: is like, and I don't say that in a brag 43 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: ghostly way, that's just part of my gene. 44 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: Probably could you probably weren't saying that in braggy, boasty way. 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: I would. Yeah, I don't mean that, but it's like, honestly, 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of cool shit. It's probably in 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: the top two, maybe the top thing I've ever done, 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, my top two things in terms of just 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: what I am very proud of. Not in a boasty way, 50 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: but you know, saving the crabs life and working with 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: Johnny for eight years, three days a week, blah blah blah. 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Who's who they said would never do anything. Right now, 53 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: he's a fucking relative to what he was diagnosed or 54 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: what they proposed he might be. He's a fucking weapon. 55 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: But you know, so, I think if I have a 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: podcast and I don't know how many times, but one person, 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: it saves their life. Maybe not I save their life, 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: but the story, the idea or the hope or the 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: inspiration or the shift that happens in them. And then 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: they go and do something, and then they get a result, 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: then they get a bit excited, then they make another decision, 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: they do more stuff, and then two years down the 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: track they not me, not you, not asking, they have 64 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: turned their life around. But it started with a moment 65 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: in time and the moment in time was this show. 66 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: And I've had you know, many people say to me, 67 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: you or your show changed my life, and I always say, 68 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: I didn't change your life. You did, but thank you 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: that you took action on something. You know. So I 70 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: guess my long winded question is is there any point 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: in creating a plan, creating a structure, timeline, process, or 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: that if the person's not genuinely three hundred ready to go. 73 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: You remind me of the very first time you had 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: me on typ SO twenty twenty sometime, and at the 75 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: end of the conversation you said, if all goes well 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: on Planet tifth in five years, what's next? And I hesitated, 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: and then I remember saying, oh, you don't have to 78 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: have something, and I was like, nah, I'm not going 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: to because five minutes ago, I think sometimes a plan 80 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: puts on blinkers because we're not sure, we're not curious 81 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: about what we want to do, so we picked something, 82 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: and then cognitive bias leads us down that path we 83 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: miss everything else. Five minutes before that conversation, I was 84 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: never going to be a podcaster. I owned gyms. I'm 85 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: never going to be doing what I did, and it 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: led me to this thing that I never knew I 87 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: could do that opened up doors I never knew were closed. 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: And so I think there's there's that part of things. 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: But then there's also the idea that if you're not 90 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: sure where you're going, you're going to go around in circles. 91 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: So there's a bit of a catch twenty two on 92 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: both ends, and it all comes down to what you 93 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: research around self awareness. 94 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent. Also there's another interesting kind 95 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: of parallel component to this. I don't know if this 96 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: is a real term, but I coined this term maybe 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: someone else did too, and it's a destination disappointment, which 98 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: is when you get somewhere, Oh, you did the thing, 99 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: you got, the thing, you achieved, the thing you made, 100 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: the money, you wrote the book, or you fucking climbed 101 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: the mountain, or you had the boxing experience or you whatever, 102 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, I still feel like shit, 103 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: what's that about? Because you thought that thing would be 104 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: the antidote to the malaise, the blidness that you found 105 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: yourself in the middle of. And I mean I've had that, 106 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: I've achieved great things and then you know relative but 107 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: then not that it was bad, but I'm like, oh okay, Like, 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: for example, I'm not fat anymore, I'm lean, I'm in 109 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: very good shape, and but I still feel shit. So 110 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: clearly that wasn't maybe that was part of the problem, 111 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: But what else is going on? So I think trying 112 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: to understand what it is I really need versus what 113 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 1: I think I need? 114 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: And then what did I get out of that thing? 115 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: What was the thing that was drawing me in? 116 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: Do you have it? 117 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: Has that happened to you when you've gained an understanding 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: straight away? Or how does your unpacking of that play out? 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: Well, I've kind I've kind of gone down I was 120 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: going to say all the past. Of course I haven't, 121 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: but I've gone down there. If I look awesome, if 122 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm jacked, well that's going to make life pretty amazing, 123 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: because you know, dudes will think I'm cool, women all 124 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: think I'm just hot as fuck, and well, you know whatever. 125 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: And clearly that thinking was coming out of you know, 126 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: fucking one delusion two you know, insecurity, self doubt, fear, 127 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. But I just had I didn't 128 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: think it would fix all my problems, but I thought 129 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: it would do much more for my emotional and psychological 130 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: wellbeing than it actually did, because I was, as I've 131 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: said at least twenty times over the last eight years, 132 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: but I was trying to resolve a psychological, emotional, and 133 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: perhaps in my framework, spiritual problems with physical solutions. You know, 134 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Wow, you've got really big arms and 135 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: they're vany, and you've got big shoulders and you've got 136 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: abs terrific. You're still a fucking idiot, but you're just 137 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: in a better body and you're not dealing with the 138 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: things that are making what's not making you healthy. Craig 139 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: mentally and emotionally healthy is not the size of your 140 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: fucking arms, you know. And it's trying to This is hard. 141 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: This is trying to have real self awareness, no matter 142 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: how painful it might be, at that moment of kind 143 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: of enlightenment or awareness where you realize, oh, I'm just 144 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: a big fucking baby who's scared of everything, you. 145 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: Know, And what's the sacrifice of the thing that you're doing. 146 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: When you think you're doing a thing that you need 147 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: to do, what's the sacrifice of the life you need 148 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: to live and the busyness you live in the middle 149 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: of to maintain that perceived destination. 150 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: Oh that is a very all haven't you gotten good 151 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: since twenty twenty fucking drunk? All right, hey, kids, don't 152 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: if there's any kids listening, don't talk like Uncle Jumbo 153 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: is a hunt. Don't listen to him. Just as it's 154 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: coming out in my mouth, I'm like, some first time, 155 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: is it going to be like, oh my god, who 156 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: is this man? I concur I agree? Okay, so yeah, 157 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: what are you kind of giving up in the pursuit 158 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: of this thing that you think you need but you 159 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: actually don't need. Is that what you're saying? 160 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: Yeah? 161 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like when you're heading well, I think you're 162 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: just you're just wasting time. It's not that being in 163 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: shape is bad per my previous example, but when you're 164 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: trying to you know, let's say the engine in your 165 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: car's fucked and you keep pumping up the tires. You 166 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: like that, Well, that well done on the tire pumping. 167 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: You fuck with it, but the engine's fucked, so maybe 168 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: open the bonnet. No, I'll just try the tires one 169 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: more time. There no chance the engines fucked. It's not. Well, 170 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll polish the bumper bar. 171 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: You know, you keep because you kind of I think 172 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, but you know that fixing the engine, Oh 173 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: my god, that's so big, that's such a task, that's 174 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: sut so hard. I don't really have those skills. I 175 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: don't really have that understanding and the idea that I've 176 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: got to go lift the bonnet and figure this shit out, 177 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: and there's I can't have anyone really do it for 178 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: me in this metaphor anyway, you know. So I think 179 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: you when you take the easy way not the hard way, 180 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: you're depriving yourself of the opportunity to you know. Craig 181 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: Harper speak, grow, learn, evolve, adapt, improve, gain, awareness, insight, 182 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: understanding all those things. And so I think there's strategic card. 183 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to do this thing that I don't want 184 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: to do, and it's hard, and it's difficult and unfamiliar, 185 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: and there is no instant gratification, there is no immediate payoff. 186 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: But what will probably happen and hopefully happen over the 187 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: next year, not the next three minutes, but over the 188 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: next year. I might build resilience, build awareness, build competence, 189 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: develop skill, be able to be the calm and the chaos, 190 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: talk to five hundred people from a stage without doing 191 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of wei every third fucking word, you 192 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: know whatever, is all of that kind of yeah, because 193 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: and I think there's like I think there's a bit 194 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: of a an over correction. Like so we've got the 195 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: we've got the you know, like the molly coddling version 196 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: of the world where you know everyone, we're nerfing everyone 197 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: and oh it doesn't matter, it's not your fault and 198 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: it's okay and fuck those people and you're right, and 199 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: there's that right, which that's not great. But then at 200 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: the other end of the scale, we've got the alpha males. 201 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: And I guess in some ways I'm a little bit 202 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: of an alpha. But I'm also like, yeah, give me 203 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: a hug, though, And I cried three times yesterday, and 204 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: there's some stuff that scares me and I don't know, 205 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: so I think that that chest beating, you know, like 206 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: just say what you say, do what you you know, 207 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: and fuck him. I'm going to live And if people 208 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: don't like, you know, it's my way on the highway 209 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It's like, yeah, cool, if you 210 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: live on an island by yourself, that's fabulous, you know, 211 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: but you don't you live around other humans who don't 212 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: share your ideas and your experience, you know, So yeah, 213 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: I think that, and I'll shut up after this. You 214 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: know what I was thinking about the other day, I 215 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: was actually thinking about not even being funny Scott and 216 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: you and me. One of the things that you and 217 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: me and Scott say is I'm a lot, right, And 218 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: I was thinking about, and I'm not throwing any of 219 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: us under the bus, but we're almost saying I'm a lot. 220 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: So you'll just have to cope with me because I'm 221 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: a lot. This is how I am. I'm full on, 222 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm a lot. If I rub people up the wrong way, 223 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: that's their issue, not my issue, because I'm a lot. 224 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm a lot, hey, you know. And if you can't 225 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: cope with my lot a lotness, I'm definitely not the problem. 226 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't have to change you do, so you work 227 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: around my fucking a lotness. I'm like, yeah, I've even 228 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: said I'm a lot, and I kind of you know, 229 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: you've said it, Scott said it, We've said it together. 230 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: We're all peas in a pod that way, and I'm like, yeah, 231 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: that's kind of selfish though, that's kind of me going, yeah, 232 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't need to work. You need to work because 233 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: this is just how I am. So I'm just going 234 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: to be how I am, which is a lot, and 235 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: you'll just need to figure it out, Champ. You know. 236 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: So I was thinking about that the other day, which 237 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: is a kind of a funny way of explaining a 238 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: high level of self awareness and empathy. Is like, I 239 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: really think, not in a good way all the time. 240 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm a lot, and I need to I need to, 241 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, modify my behavior and have awareness of how 242 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: I act and react and respond around people without overcorrecting 243 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: and without being disingenuous. I still need to be me. 244 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: But how do I be me with more empathy and 245 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: more awareness and more social intelligence? You know? So that's 246 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: where my book going to, both for. 247 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: The other person and for you. So what do I need? 248 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: What is best for me to accept, what is healthiest 249 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: for me to accept about me? And what is healthiest 250 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: for me to change? And how do I manage that 251 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: when I am me? And who are the people that 252 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to make those decisions about. There's so there's 253 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: so many levels there. 254 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: Well, again this comes back to metabception, metaaccuracy, you know, 255 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: theory of mind all that shit that I'll bored you 256 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: with for six years. You know, people being in the 257 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: moments and recognizing that I'm annoying this person and rather 258 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: than going, well, fuck them, that's not my problem because 259 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm right, Rather than that going all right, Well, how 260 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: can I change my behavior or my approach, or my 261 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: strategy or my conversation or my communication style in real 262 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: time so that I improve the connection or I at 263 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: least create a connection not a disconnection, so I build trust, 264 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: report or respect. Rather than going, well, if he's not 265 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: picking up what I'm putting down, fuck him, he's the problem. 266 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, nah, dude, that's just you being 267 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: ignorant and arrogant and unaware. And you know, there'll be 268 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: people where I sit down with for an hour and 269 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: I will do half the talking. If I'm being honest, 270 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: there's probably times, not very often lately, but where I 271 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: do sixty or seventy percent. Not very often though, thankfully, 272 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: but there was a time. But I would think most 273 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: of the time like I had a coffee with a 274 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: guy shout out to Chris Welsh Welshie that I did 275 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: my first degree with, and I have not seen him 276 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: since two thousand and two. Right, So twenty four years 277 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: I saw him today. I spent an hour with him. 278 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: I could tell you a lot about him, and very 279 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: thankfully we didn't talk about me at all. We didn't 280 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: talk about my work, what I'm doing. Am I married? 281 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: Am I not married? Where do I nothing? Because he's married, 282 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: He's done multiple jobs since he left Junie. He's got 283 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, three kids, two girls and a boy. You know, 284 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: I could tell you other things which would not be 285 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: fair on him because it's private. But I loved it, 286 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: and I loved just it being all about him. One 287 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: because I was genuinely interested. I want to hear what 288 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: because he was funny as fuck at UNI. But like, 289 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: think about this, When I started Junior, I was thirty 290 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: six first time around. He was eighteen. He was a boy. 291 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: I was a man. I theoretically could have been his dad. 292 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: You know. So I was at UNI thirty six to 293 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: thirty nine the first time around, and most of them 294 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: were eighteen to twenty one, and they used to look 295 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: at me like fucking granddad. And I was thirty six, 296 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: and I go, do you remember how fucking old I 297 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: was at UNI? And he's like, dudes, you were like granddad, 298 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, and now you're forty four, motherfucker. You know, 299 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, it's like when you're forty four 300 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: thirty six as a baby, when you're my age thirty 301 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: six as a fuck? Can you walk yet? You know? 302 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: But when you're like it's all context dependant. But I 303 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: don't know how I got there, but yeah, I think 304 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: being able to understand how you're experienced by others, which 305 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: is why I've been fascinated with this topic, and using 306 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: that to your advantage and their advantage, is a real 307 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: sign of social intelligence. Yeah. 308 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 2: And I also think I think very deeply about how 309 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: we understand just our own reasons and behaviors and choices, 310 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: like understanding the sacrifices we make, understanding the psychological and 311 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: emotional and biological outcomes, the processes that take place when 312 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: we live a certain way and do a certain thing. 313 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking about Sorry. 314 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: I was talking to someone on their show just before 315 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: this about last year for me and that whole identity piece, 316 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: Like last year I had to stop training and boxing 317 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: the way I was because bodied in cope. But in 318 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: the same year that was the start of that year 319 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: or the year before the Boxer album was released. So 320 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: as a trainer, I'm in the gym training a lot 321 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: of people to box, my favorite sport. I do it 322 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 2: as a pastime. I tell stories about it as a 323 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: speaker because I got so much personal growth out of it, 324 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: and then I had this experience that relabeled me with 325 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: that and I always want to step back and experience 326 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: those outcomes and lessons and that growth. But at the 327 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: same time, I realized the sacrifice, the sacrifice not only 328 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: to my brain with the impact of getting punched, sacrifice 329 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: to my energy, but the sacrifice too, well, it's beautiful. 330 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: You get all those growth and lessons. Yeah, and people 331 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: say these things and you get this level of significance 332 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: because I do this and I'm different because chicks don't 333 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: do that. There's still that I tell that story as 334 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: to why I started, but there's still a bit of 335 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: that there. Yeah, But then realizing well, how yeah, it'd 336 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: be amazing. I want to go do that. But then 337 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: at the end of that, when you walk away from 338 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: it and the dopamine dies down and you don't grow anymore, 339 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: what have you sacrificed. You've sacrificed real relationships and serotonin 340 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: and experiences and having the energy to go and see 341 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: the world and to do a bunch of things because 342 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 2: I've bought into an identity because it was driven by 343 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: a set of things under the surface. 344 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's insightful. I think sometimes you don't know whether 345 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: the juice is worth the squeeze until later, you know. 346 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes like one of the costs of doing a PhD 347 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: has been doing less business, doing less gigs, doing you know, 348 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: like I've pretty much done zero or very little coaching. 349 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: You know, I still help a few people with a 350 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: few things. But but you go, Okay, this this PhD, 351 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: I won't name the number, but this, like I know, financially, 352 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: how much this PhD has essentially cost me. I'm like, okay, 353 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, like everything, whether or not it's a pair 354 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: of shoes. Like if you went out and you know 355 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: you were going to get some runners, I would think 356 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: I would assume for you, runners are your if we 357 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: factor in all the variables, runners are probably your favorite shoe. Right, 358 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure you wouldn't wear them to you know, a 359 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: fucking ball, But and so I could if you went out, 360 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: if you went out and there was an amazing pair 361 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: of runners, like fucking incredible, and now one hundred and 362 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: fifty bucks even by two, you know, because you go, 363 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: that's not cheap. But it's cheap for these. You know, 364 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: it's cheap for these. But if the same runners, like 365 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: you want the runners, you know they're great, you have 366 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, you would like they're a good product, blah 367 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. But if there was seven hundred dollars, 368 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: you're like, fucking no way, I'm not buying seven hundred. 369 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, they could be fucking magic. I'm not buying 370 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: seven hundred dollars runners. And the thing is that we 371 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: have a like a line in the sand number or 372 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: level of commitment that we're willing to invest. You know. 373 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: It's like, well, Craig, if you weren't willing to give 374 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: up this potential money and all of this time, and 375 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 1: then you wouldn't have done it. And so now you know, 376 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: at the precipice of submitting my PhD, I look back 377 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: and I go, was that a good investment? And for 378 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: me the answer is yes, But it for some people 379 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: it would have been the worst investment. Like it depends 380 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: how you frame it and through which lens or what 381 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: metric you are establishing the value of a thing. You know, 382 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: So I would rather and I've said this before, but 383 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: if you said you could go to rod Laverna tonight 384 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: and talk for two hours to ten thousand people for free, 385 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: but you can talk to ten thousand people live and 386 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: say whatever you whatever you want, like you can just 387 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: go do your thing, or you can do a gig 388 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: over the road to one hundred people for ten thousand dollars. 389 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: I would definitely take the free option. Now most people 390 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: would take option two, which I think for most people 391 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: is probably the smartest option for a range of reasons. 392 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: And I'm definitely not rich, but that's probably not going 393 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: to transform my life that ten thousand dollars. You know, 394 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: it's definitely a lot of money. I acknowledge that all that, 395 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: but right now I value connecting with people, teaching, coaching, 396 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: being able to interact with really big audiences. I just 397 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: value that more than the money I get for it. 398 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 1: You know, there was a time where it was all 399 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: about the money, not all about the money, but it 400 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: was more about the money because I had no fucking money, 401 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: and I've got to pay bills and I'd really like 402 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: to own a house one day, and my car's a 403 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: piece of shit, and you know, I want to have 404 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: money in case the wheels fall are for you know, 405 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: there's all that. So it's context dependent. But I think 406 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, when you come to you know, physical, emotional, 407 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: mental kind of investment, energetic investment, it depends on, you know, 408 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: what is perceived value to you. You know. And I'll 409 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: shut up after this, and that makes me think about 410 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: this is random. I'll share it again, and I apologize 411 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: to probably fifty percent of you who have heard this story. 412 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: But you've heard the Banksy story, yes, the artist banks Yes, yes, 413 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: And you've heard the story about his artwork at a 414 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: market yep. So I might fuck up a few bits, 415 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: but this is essentially and the story is that he 416 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: gave I think it was a dude like eight pieces, 417 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: eight original Bankses. And I think they did it almost 418 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: as a kind of a social experiment or an exercise 419 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: in perception of seed value or whatever. And so if 420 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: I I had an original banks he is probably worth 421 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: anywhere between two, three, four or five hundred thousand dollars, 422 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: depending on how big it is, how long it took 423 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: him to do what it is. But you know, I 424 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: was going to say something terrible. Then I'm glad I didn't. 425 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: I just rained it once in my life. I fucking 426 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: rained it in. I have all of these progridges. Yeah, 427 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: I look at me not saying the thing. Shouldn't say 428 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: it a lot? Yeah, I'm not being a lot. Yeah, 429 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't need to be a lot. I can just 430 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: be a bit. Maybe I'll get a T shirt with 431 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: just a bit. So anyway, he had these eight original Bankses, 432 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: which let's say they were worth two hundred grand each, 433 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: just to pick a number. Let's say so that let's 434 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: say let's out one point six million, and this dude's 435 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: at the market and he's got these original Bankses, and 436 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: the sign above them says, these are original Banksies, and 437 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: they're all like eighty bucks each. But given the context 438 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: of where they were, and given the fact that the 439 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: price was eighty dollars, despite the fact that they were 440 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: one hundred percent authentic, he didn't sell four of them. 441 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: He sold four, I think, And the four that he 442 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: sold he had to discount to get a sale, because 443 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: even though people were passing by, who knew who banks 444 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 1: he was, who loved his work, who looked at it, 445 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: who could have bought a fucking two hundred thousand dollar 446 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: piece of art for eighty bucks. They're like, nah, that's 447 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: not real. I know it's not real and walked on. 448 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: That's how powerful perception is. You know, what about this? 449 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: We're thinking about money the other day and I was 450 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: talking to a friend I will not name them, but 451 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: were at my house playing guitar and started talking about 452 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: guitarists and picks. And they have a range of all 453 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: these picks from famous people and one of the picks, 454 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: the plectorium what are they called plectrums. One of them 455 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: was Kirkbains and fifteen years ago they had it valued 456 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: at about two hundred thousand dollars. Fifteen years ago. That person, 457 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: over their life has been through some pretty hard stuff 458 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: and financial hardship, really hard stuff, and they will never 459 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 2: They could sell that today and pay off their home, 460 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: but the emotional value of that for them is so high, 461 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: and it's so interesting. You go, it's a piece of 462 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: plastic with a story that lives in their home that 463 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: they will look at and attached to. But it gives 464 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: them something and like, I just it fascinates me. That 465 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: fascinates me. 466 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: What's their home address again? 467 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, California, But the funny, well, the fascinating thing is 468 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: that's if somebody you think, also, like we're talking about 469 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: perceived value, what people will pay for things. 470 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: Imagine if how do I say this without being a dick. 471 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: I won't say the number, but what I get, you know, 472 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: to speak for an hour is like ridiculous compared to 473 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: what I used to get for a week of work 474 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: in my twenties, do you know what I mean? And 475 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: it's like I've had people say to me, and by 476 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: the way, you know that there are people who make 477 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: way more than me. I've had people say, how the 478 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: fuck are you worth that? And like, you know, and 479 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: I go, I don't blame you. So when when you're 480 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: talking to somebody who makes a certain amount for a 481 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: week and then you make whatever it is I want, 482 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, but for an hour, and then you go, oh, actually, 483 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm not in the upper echelon of corporate speakers, Like 484 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm paid pretty well, but you know, there are people 485 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: men and women that earn two, three, four, five times 486 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: what I do to stand on a stage for forty 487 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: five minutes and talk, and once that experience is done, 488 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: it's done. But even then you go, I've told this 489 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: story multiple times too. But I was speaking in a 490 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: conference in Sydney and I was proceeding Lance Armstrong. Have 491 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: I told you this? Yeah, yeah, Now this might be bullshit, 492 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: but I have it on pretty good authority because I 493 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: was talking to the organizer for a range of reasons 494 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: he couldn't do it. But I think I was getting 495 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: paid five thousand dollars, which was for me fucking mind blowing. 496 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: Like this was, you know, quite a while ago, and 497 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: still I acknowledge that stupid money. But he was getting 498 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He was getting quarter 499 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: of a million dollars to stand on the stage. But 500 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing, right, the organizers were okay because the 501 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: audience was big, they had sponsors, people were paying quite 502 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: a bit to be there, and they definitely weren't losing money, 503 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, well, hopefully we spend two fifty, 504 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: but we get back three fifty or at the very 505 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: least two fifty, so he essentially costs us nothing well 506 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: plus whatever. But yeah, it's the whole psychology of value 507 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: and perceived value. And it's like you and I both 508 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: we won't say his name because we don't want to 509 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: intimidate him. But we see the same Chinese doctor medicine 510 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: doctor who's a legit doctor of Chinese medicine, also has 511 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: a legit PhD and fucking biological science or something I 512 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: can't remember. And to me, so he's got this intersection 513 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: of wu wu mystical magical powers and this really good 514 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: scientific understanding and vast experience. And when he treats me, 515 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, he does not understand for me how valuable 516 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: he is because what I pay to see him is 517 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: cheaper than what some people are paying a cert for 518 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: trainer for. Do you know what I mean? For the 519 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: same amount of time. This motherfucker's done six or seven 520 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: years of Chinese medicine, it has done four or five 521 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: years of a PhD. He's got vast experience, and not 522 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: only that, he's fucking great at his job. And because 523 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: I just don't think money matters, but I don't think 524 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: it matters, matters matters to him, like I don't think 525 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: it's it's high on the list. 526 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: One of the stories my speaker coach Jack tells about 527 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: speaking is when she first started she was speaking to 528 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: build her huge business, right so to be court business. 529 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: So it wasn't about getting paid, and she was doing 530 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: an opening keynote. She didn't know much about speaking at 531 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: the time, and one of the other speakers that, oh, 532 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: you're doing the opening, opening or closing. I think it 533 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: was opening opening keynote. What are they paying for that? 534 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: And she kind of thought real quick and said, I 535 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: don't speak, I don't share terms with other people. And 536 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: then she said to the organizer, Oh, so apparently I've 537 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: got the opening keynote and she said, oh, yeah, yeah, 538 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: apparently that is a paid position. She why am I 539 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: not getting paid? Oh, oh yeah it is. We must 540 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: have just been an oversight. Is ten k okay? So 541 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: that you just ask a question and go sure it 542 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: is ten k? 543 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: Do you go just this once? Bro? 544 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you think about our perception of what 545 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: we're worth and you go, well, And that was like 546 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: it wasn't even yeah sure ten K Is that all right? 547 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Sorry? 548 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: Must have been an oversight, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, 549 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: it's amazing. 550 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: It's amazing. And it's like, I mean, for me, who's 551 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: so like basic. I see people buy a bottle of 552 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: wine that's like one hundred and eighty five dollars. I'm like, 553 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: fucking really I don't know. I mean, I've never had booze, 554 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: so I don't know. But I'm like, geez, that's that 555 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: must be Like I don't know, Like if you put 556 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: a forty dollars wine in that bottle and people thought 557 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: it was the one eighty five job, I wonder if 558 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: they would know. And also we know you can buy 559 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: a bottle of wine for ten bucks, right, But I mean, 560 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't drink wine, but I think 561 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: there's gotta be Oh, in fact, there was that wine study. 562 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: Do you remember that study? No? Okay, I like, all right, 563 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: where was it done? I'm sorry for like, come a 564 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: bit because there's so much shit in my head. Hang on, 565 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm just jogging up to the back filing cabinet, okay, 566 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: so I'll give you the hang on. I'm just flicking 567 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: through wine study, Wine study, one study, wine study. Here, 568 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: it is, here, it is. I'll just pull it out. So, oh, actually, 569 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: can we pause the one second? I find it? All right, 570 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: we're back. 571 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 4: So there's, as I just learned, there's a few different ones. 572 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna read straight from chatter said to me, Craig, 573 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 4: You old dog didn't say that bit you're thinking of 574 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 4: the Frederick Brochet wine tasting studies, particularly his work on expectation, belief, 575 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 4: and sensory perception. The key study simplified. Brochea researcher at. 576 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: The University of Bordeaux, ran a series of experiments in 577 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: the early two thousands showing that what people believe they're drinking, 578 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: what they think they're drinking believe they're drinking strongly shapes 579 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: what they taste. In one well known setup, participants were 580 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: given the same wine multiple times, each time being told 581 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: it was a different wine. Sometimes the wine was given 582 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: a different price, a different label, a different description, or 583 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: it was even dyed with food coloring, so they dyed 584 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: white wine red. What happened The participants described the same 585 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: wine differently each time. They confidently detected different flavor notes, 586 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: different quality levels, even red wine characteristics in the white 587 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: wine that was dyed red. Trained tasters, so professional tasters 588 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: were also in the group, so they were not immune. 589 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: In one famous version, a white wine dyed red tasted 590 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: used tasters used red wine descriptors tanic whatever that means, 591 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: jammy spicy. No one knew, not one person knew that 592 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: it was white or suspected it was white. The takeaway 593 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: so the drinking or literally a white wine totally believing 594 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: it's red, a red wine, which I understand are quite 595 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: fucking different and totally thinking like, oh this is yeah, 596 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: this is a red wine. In fact, it's quite this 597 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: and it's quite that. Ah. The takeaway This wasn't about 598 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: people lying or being stupid. It showed that perception is constructed, 599 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: not recorded. The brain doesn't just receive sensory data. It interpreted, 600 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: its interprets it through expectation, belief, and content. Okay, so 601 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: the next question I asked it was did their brain 602 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: chemistry reflect their belief about the wine? The answer yes, 603 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: In some studies their brain activity reflected what they believed 604 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: they were drinking, not just what they actually tasted. Strongest 605 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: demonstration came from a neuroimaging study by kilk Plasmin and 606 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: colleagues published in PNAS in two thousand and eight. The 607 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: participants straying the same wine multiple times. Each time it 608 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: was presented with different price labor prices, and labels all 609 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: the way from cheap through to expensive, and while they 610 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: were drinking, the participants were scanned using an fMRI what 611 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: they noticed, what the researchers noticed was the wine was identical. 612 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: The wine never changed, but their brain neurochemistry or their 613 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: brain chemistry did. When people believed the wine was more expensive, 614 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: activation increased in the orbitofrontal cortex. This region of the 615 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: brain is tightly linked to pleasure, reward value, and subjective enjoyment. So, 616 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: in other words, when they were drinking the same wine 617 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: but they like the cheap wine, but they thought it 618 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: was expensive, their brain literally responded. The part of the 619 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: brain that kind of highlights pleasure and so on lit up. PIP. 620 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: Participants also reported enjoying the wine more. In other words, 621 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: belief altered the brain's reward response, not just the verbal report. 622 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: How fucking interesting is that? And that's all generated by 623 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: what we think that is. 624 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: So powerful, Like you think about all of the things 625 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 2: that applies to. 626 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: Fascinating yeah, and you go, are we going to get 627 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: you to do this thing? So it's not just about oh, yeah, 628 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: that tastes okay, we get that, but we're going to 629 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: do an MRI on your brain while you're drinking booze. 630 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,240 Speaker 1: And then you go, well, that's not psychology, that's real physiology. 631 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: Responding to a thought in the way that when you 632 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: think you're in danger but are not. You know, heart rate, brain, 633 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: you know, respiration, blood pressure, all that shit goes through 634 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: the roof not because there's a danger, but because you 635 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: have an idea in your head that there is a 636 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: danger when there is not. So this is I mean 637 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: ergo like, how can you not be fucking fascinated by 638 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: your own brain? How can you not be fascinated by 639 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: your mind? How can you? And I don't mean this 640 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: judg mentally, but I'm talking to myself. It's like, I'm 641 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: fascinated with my what my brain can do, and not 642 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: because my brain's exceptional, but it's it's mine, so it's 643 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: the one I've got. So I know. There are times 644 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: when I'm in a good place and I create really 645 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: good experiences and it's not about where I am or 646 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: who I'm with or what I'm doing. It's about I'm 647 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: in a good place, like i'm And then there are 648 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: times when things are pretty good, but I'm pretty shit 649 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: and I'm having a shit experience despite the reality or 650 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,439 Speaker 1: the situation or the context being quite good, but I'm 651 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: not quite good. So then again, we create our own experiences, 652 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: all the while thinking that our experiences are created by 653 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: external factors and stimuli, when in reality they're a spot there, 654 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: they're produced by our responses to that stimuli. Thinking about 655 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: our story about. 656 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that speaks so much into the relationship 657 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 2: of different therapies like exposure therapy, talk therapy, somatic therapy. 658 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 2: How do I interpret an environment mentally? What means into 659 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 2: work do I need to do to change my relationship? 660 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 2: And then what exposure do I need? And then what 661 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 2: somatic experience do I need to bring those things closer 662 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 2: and closer together? 663 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: Yeah? 664 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and to make my reality change. 665 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: Yes. And instead of going maybe oh when this happens 666 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: I can't cope, going oh if this, is there a 667 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: way that I could cope or I could learn to 668 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: could I adapt? Like when I get up and talk 669 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: to a group at work of five people for two minutes. 670 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: I hate it, I'm terrified, I sweat, I can't Okay. 671 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: So rather than avoiding that thing that you kind of 672 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: have to do as part of your job and every week, 673 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, being stressed and sick, and is there a 674 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: way that you could self regulate, self manage, or even 675 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: change what's going on in your brain and your mind 676 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: about that thing? So you can get to a point 677 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: where not only do you not hate it, kind of 678 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: enjoy it, you know. And again, the situation or the 679 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: task is not changing, but you're changing. And when you're different, 680 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: the response is different. You know. It's like you and 681 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: the hill. Don't wait for your hill to change, because 682 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: it ain't about the hill. It's about you fucking adapting. Oh, 683 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: the hill so hard, the hill so hard. And then 684 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: we start doing the hill, we start training and losing 685 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: fat and getting strength and getting cardiovascular fitness, and we 686 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: do all this shit. Then all of a sudden, the 687 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: hill's not hard at all, but the hill hasn't changed 688 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: one fucking bit. Yeah, the hill's identical. You're different, motherfucker. 689 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: So your reality is different, and it's not because you 690 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: changed anything external. It changed your the way that you 691 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: interface and interact with that hard thing that eventually becomes 692 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: the easy thing. 693 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, oh. 694 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: God, come on, come on everyone, fuck let's do it. 695 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: I can get on your hill. 696 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 2: Or have a wine. 697 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: Have a wine. Actually, if it's been great everybody. I 698 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: feel like I may have over talked, but fuck it, 699 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: I can't undo it now, mister, I don't talk mate, 700 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: fucking bullshit. I Tiffany can't get a word in cook 701 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: with Fatty Harps, who's a fucking cookie monster of fucking 702 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: verbal freight train. 703 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 2: That's what you are, that's what I am, all Right, 704 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 2: the Express