WEBVTT - The Bolt Report | 15 October 0:00:16.180 --> 0:00:20.230 The Albanese government's fiasco with the Blaney goldmine extension that 0:00:20.290 --> 0:00:26.349 it tried to ban raises an urgent question that politicians 0:00:26.390 --> 0:00:30.490 have run from, courts have tried to silence, but we 0:00:30.530 --> 0:00:34.660 need to have it now. How Aboriginal do you have 0:00:34.700 --> 0:00:37.800 to be to stop projects like this on so-called cultural reasons? 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:43.739 In fact, who should we agree is really Aboriginal? As 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.269 I showed last night, the Albanese government in this case 0:00:46.310 --> 0:00:49.330 tried to restrict this mine despite traditional owners saying it 0:00:49.370 --> 0:00:52.470 was fine, let it go. The government listened instead to 0:00:52.510 --> 0:00:56.410 dissidents identifying as Aboriginal who claimed it would hurt the 0:00:56.580 --> 0:01:02.060 sacred blue banded bee dreaming. People like this artist who 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.550 testified against the mine in the Independent Planning Commission, and 0:01:05.590 --> 0:01:08.530 like this leader, the dissident of a dissident group of 0:01:08.930 --> 0:01:14.080 some 18 people identifying as Aboriginal. The Federal Court yesterday 0:01:14.180 --> 0:01:17.800 overruled that ban on technical grounds, and to be absolutely clear, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.240 by the way, I am not, not. 0:01:21.610 --> 0:01:25.830 Saying that these women against this mine don't have Aboriginal ancestors. 0:01:25.910 --> 0:01:29.450 I'm not saying that. But a traditional owner from the 0:01:29.470 --> 0:01:33.670 mine area again today questioned their right to speak for 0:01:33.750 --> 0:01:36.380 Aborigines in that area and said their bee story was fake. 0:01:37.660 --> 0:01:41.140 Being from country, being a Wiradjuri man from that country, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.000 we know who's who in the zoo and we realised, 0:01:45.020 --> 0:01:49.390 you know, we realised that this... This was fabricated and 0:01:49.410 --> 0:01:52.730 it was bastardisation of Aboriginal culture and heritage and you 0:01:52.770 --> 0:01:53.350 can't do that. 0:01:55.330 --> 0:01:57.030 I'm not saying he's right. I'm just saying that a 0:01:57.050 --> 0:02:01.140 former Aboriginal Land Council councillor from that very area says 0:02:01.170 --> 0:02:03.900 this bee story is fake. And the Albany City Government 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:09.639 Minister who chose to believe it, Tanya Plibersek, today repeatedly 0:02:09.700 --> 0:02:10.820 refused to say why. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.700 There's very different views in the town. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.370 There's quite different views about it. 0:02:17.700 --> 0:02:21.430 Now, when we're talking about crippling a $ 1. 3 billion mine 0:02:21.470 --> 0:02:23.910 with 700 jobs on a B story like that from 0:02:23.930 --> 0:02:28.489 the people I've mentioned, that is crazy. And I come 0:02:28.530 --> 0:02:31.450 back to those questions. Who really is Aboriginal and how 0:02:31.470 --> 0:02:33.190 Aboriginal do you have to be to stop projects like 0:02:33.230 --> 0:02:36.630 this and so-called cultural reasons? These are questions that it's 0:02:36.650 --> 0:02:40.840 been dangerous to ask. And don't I know it? The 0:02:40.850 --> 0:02:42.900 judge banned two of my articles a few years ago 0:02:42.940 --> 0:02:46.210 when I tried... tried to discuss the explosion in the 0:02:46.270 --> 0:02:51.170 number of so-called white Aborigines, people with very little Aboriginal ancestry, 0:02:51.550 --> 0:02:53.790 some with none at all, now claiming to be Aboriginal, 0:02:54.330 --> 0:02:57.990 and taking over Aboriginal jobs, Aboriginal grants, some even blocking 0:02:58.550 --> 0:03:03.850 mining projects. But this wall of silence is now crumbling. 0:03:04.810 --> 0:03:09.440 Aboriginal activists are also protesting about these new Aborigines. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.170 If we were to look at the... the census numbers, 0:03:14.830 --> 0:03:20.200 it's now projecting past 800,000. If there was to be 0:03:20.220 --> 0:03:23.680 an actual review on that and an audit on that, 0:03:23.740 --> 0:03:26.570 I would suggest, and there has been some data to 0:03:26.610 --> 0:03:28.410 suggest that it's actually probably about 300,000 less. So we've 0:03:28.430 --> 0:03:33.090 got 300,000 people. here, who are counting themselves amongst us. 0:03:33.380 --> 0:03:35.590 In our culture, you'd be speared for posing as us 0:03:35.870 --> 0:03:39.290 without authority. Aboriginality fraud is rife in this country. It's 0:03:39.370 --> 0:03:43.160 now allowing people to access funding, misleading the general public 0:03:43.570 --> 0:03:45.580 and acknowledging cultures that are not true. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:50.960 Now, I reckon 300,000 fake Aborigines or people who've only 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.260 remote Aboriginal ancestry, I think that's an exaggeration. I think 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.240 the real number is closer to 130,000, which is still massive, 130,000. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.620 That's the number of Australians now claiming to be Aboriginal 0:04:02.700 --> 0:04:06.070 in the past two censuses who hadn't in the census before. 0:04:07.710 --> 0:04:11.810 And they, and especially white academics claiming to be Aboriginal, 0:04:11.890 --> 0:04:15.790 are causing a lot of anger among real Aborigines, Bush 0:04:15.830 --> 0:04:19.330 in particular. As Warren Mundine, former advisor to two prime ministers, 0:04:19.650 --> 0:04:20.390 said last night. 0:04:21.260 --> 0:04:24.740 When I was up in traditional Aboriginal communities up in 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.360 the north and out there, they said there's two things. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.279 There's traditional culture and there's bullshit culture. And what we're 0:04:31.339 --> 0:04:33.580 getting at the moment out of all these academics and 0:04:33.610 --> 0:04:36.050 all these people who claim to be Aboriginal people is 0:04:36.130 --> 0:04:37.290 just bullshit culture. 0:04:38.770 --> 0:04:42.690 Now, this must be resolved. This new racism, as I 0:04:42.750 --> 0:04:46.370 consider it, is not just divisive. It's also an insult 0:04:46.430 --> 0:04:50.140 to our intelligence. And let me just show you how 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.440 far this nonsense has gone. It's not just that the 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.420 most talked about Aboriginal in the country, as I've shown 0:04:56.580 --> 0:05:01.460 many times, the white man Bruce Pascoe, author of Dark Emu, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.750 who got a Premier's Writers' Prize for Aboriginal authors, awards 0:05:06.810 --> 0:05:12.370 meant for Aboriginal businesses, and a professorship as an Aboriginal man, 0:05:13.860 --> 0:05:16.780 And all this when Pascoe admits that not even many 0:05:16.820 --> 0:05:19.020 of his own family members believe he's black. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.140 Do other members of your family agree you all have 0:05:23.170 --> 0:05:24.200 Aboriginal heritage? 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:31.650 Some do, many don't. No, there's more. In fact, as 0:05:31.670 --> 0:05:38.430 I and genealogists from the website darkemuexposed.org have found... There 0:05:38.470 --> 0:05:41.520 are many other academics claiming to be Aboriginal who have 0:05:41.580 --> 0:05:46.060 not one Aboriginal ancestor in their genealogies, and they refuse 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.940 to tell us who their Aboriginal ancestors really are. They've 0:05:51.020 --> 0:05:54.349 refused to show we're wrong. I mean, we might be, 0:05:54.410 --> 0:05:58.130 but they won't or can't say how. Here are some 0:05:58.150 --> 0:06:00.590 of them. I said to the guy, I said, oh yeah, 0:06:00.610 --> 0:06:01.150 I'm Aboriginal. 0:06:01.630 --> 0:06:04.650 That's what my mum and my nan have told us. 0:06:04.810 --> 0:06:07.450 And he told me, well, no, you can't tick that box. 0:06:07.710 --> 0:06:09.340 He says, because you're not, you know, you're too white. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.700 So we've got this Aboriginal, you know, the denial of 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.919 their right to be recognised on our own land. 0:06:16.140 --> 0:06:19.479 The real world is not a safe place for Indigenous people. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:20.960 And I'm from the Gamarragal. 0:06:21.540 --> 0:06:24.300 And as I've said, the Gamarragal are the people from 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:24.779 this country. 0:06:25.529 --> 0:06:27.010 And this is our traditional land. 0:06:27.450 --> 0:06:28.990 I'm Narragoo. 0:06:29.170 --> 0:06:31.540 I'm from the Snowy Mountains in Southeastern Australia. 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:32.440 That's my mob. 0:06:32.500 --> 0:06:35.979 But I want to welcome you by singing a song 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.000 that Pemulway wrote. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.719 Next slide. So that you can sing this song of 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:40.960 welcome wherever you go. 0:06:40.980 --> 0:06:44.219 I'm just going to clean up my clap sticks. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:53.779 Look, maybe some of those academics are Aboriginal somehow. Our 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.930 researchers have missed it, but They have refused to prove 0:06:57.089 --> 0:07:01.690 us wrong. And this bore. You take the Deputy Premier 0:07:01.730 --> 0:07:05.800 of South Australia, Kai Maher, who also identifies as Aboriginal, 0:07:05.810 --> 0:07:08.190 a claim that's been a political asset to him, but 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.900 which is contradicted by genealogical records. And Maher now refuses 0:07:11.940 --> 0:07:17.020 to discuss whose Aboriginal ancestors are, even refuses ABC questions. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.400 And then there's also federal Labor members, same story. And 0:07:21.860 --> 0:07:25.840 irony of ironies. I told you how a federal court 0:07:25.900 --> 0:07:28.930 judge banned two of my articles talking about this sort 0:07:28.970 --> 0:07:33.610 of stuff. Well, the lead plaintiff in that case, complaining 0:07:33.690 --> 0:07:36.830 I broke the Racial Discrimination Act by wondering why she 0:07:36.890 --> 0:07:42.940 chose to call herself Aboriginal, was well-known Aboriginal activist Pat Etok. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.340 But now, of course, a new book that goes through 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.600 a genealogy, All the documents show she too had not 0:07:51.890 --> 0:07:55.600 one Aboriginal ancestor. A great grandmother she thought was Aboriginal 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.120 was Scottish. A great grandfather she thought was Aboriginal was 0:07:59.180 --> 0:08:02.260 actually the son of a British slave owner in Jamaica 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:08.520 and his African slave. Now, none of this would matter 0:08:09.460 --> 0:08:13.980 if this country said race doesn't count and we didn't 0:08:14.020 --> 0:08:17.360 have laws giving races different rights. It'd just be, well, 0:08:18.050 --> 0:08:21.310 You can say it doesn't matter. But this country does 0:08:21.390 --> 0:08:26.270 have laws differentiating by race, like laws giving Aborigines extra 0:08:26.330 --> 0:08:30.119 rights to interject and oppose a goldmine. And given that, 0:08:30.860 --> 0:08:34.679 given all that, can we at least draw a line 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:40.080 that limits who can call themselves Aboriginal? I mean, you 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:46.410 take race-baiting Senator Lydia Thorpe, who identifies as Aboriginal. Why? 0:08:46.429 --> 0:08:46.500 Why? 0:08:47.390 --> 0:08:50.620 When seven of her eight great grandparents were actually white? 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.560 Can't we draw a line and also demand more proof 0:08:55.800 --> 0:09:01.079 of Aboriginal ancestry? And for heaven's sake, let's also relax 0:09:01.780 --> 0:09:05.960 our oppressive laws on free speech so that never again 0:09:06.020 --> 0:09:15.900 do journalists trying to discuss this get banned. The Greens. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:21.429 today plunged into an alleged scandal, in fact, two in one. 0:09:22.150 --> 0:09:25.929 Greens Senator Jordan Steele-John. He's now taken leave from the 0:09:25.970 --> 0:09:29.650 Greens Party room after Greens Party members demanded an investigation 0:09:29.980 --> 0:09:37.280 into allegations of inappropriate behaviour to seven women over eight years, allegedly. Now, 0:09:37.660 --> 0:09:41.760 the people who are demanding this investigation, including five current 0:09:41.820 --> 0:09:45.550 and former staffers, have written to new Greens leader David Shoebridge. 0:09:46.130 --> 0:09:49.740 They say they knew of multiple women working the party 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.579 who also had been warned not to be alone with 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:57.890 Steel John, who insists he is innocent. But there is 0:09:57.929 --> 0:10:00.790 something else that troubles me here. because I was told 0:10:00.830 --> 0:10:03.890 by a politician, I don't know, was it four years ago, 0:10:04.030 --> 0:10:07.530 five years ago, I can't remember now, that Jordan Steel 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:12.780 John had a nickname in Parliament relating to his dealings 0:10:13.220 --> 0:10:18.059 with women, feels on wheels, being in a wheelchair and 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.290 all that. Now, it turns out I'm not the only 0:10:21.410 --> 0:10:24.170 one to have heard that. A reporter today asked Shoebridge 0:10:24.350 --> 0:10:28.050 about exactly that nickname at a press conference that Shoebridge 0:10:28.130 --> 0:10:34.010 called to say these allegations would be independently investigated. What 0:10:34.050 --> 0:10:35.569 is the explanation for the nickname? 0:10:36.309 --> 0:10:40.760 Well, these are matters. I want to be clear. The 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.329 appropriate way to deal with these matters is with a fair, 0:10:44.870 --> 0:10:48.510 timely and independent process. The appropriate way to deal with 0:10:48.550 --> 0:10:51.150 them is not a back and forth in a press conference. 0:10:51.670 --> 0:10:54.500 It is to be dealt with in a fair, independent 0:10:54.700 --> 0:10:55.740 and timely process. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:11:00.800 As you see, no answer. But it seems these allegations 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.400 about Steele John have, in fact, been around for years 0:11:05.260 --> 0:11:08.589 and written, committed to paper. In fact, colleague Andrew Clunell 0:11:09.150 --> 0:11:13.110 has got... Documents that were written by the New South 0:11:13.150 --> 0:11:18.470 Wales Young Greens, and they're from October 2018, saying they 0:11:18.510 --> 0:11:24.579 want an investigation into Steele John. So have the Greens 0:11:24.620 --> 0:11:28.260 been covering up for years? As this latest letter from 0:11:28.340 --> 0:11:33.780 Greens members pointed out, they say, the Greens, so sanctimonious, 0:11:33.830 --> 0:11:38.810 so preachy about believing women... are in fact not immune 0:11:38.830 --> 0:11:44.650 to perpetuating institutional silence and cover-ups. Their words. Joining me 0:11:44.750 --> 0:11:48.300 is my Thursday regular commentator, One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.040 the former Deputy Prime Minister, who spoke to me a 0:11:50.340 --> 0:11:54.100 short while ago. Barnaby Joyce, great to see you again. Look, 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:59.770 Jordan Steele-John is taking leave from the Greens party room 0:11:59.910 --> 0:12:03.170 over allegations of inappropriate comments to women. He denies that 0:12:03.210 --> 0:12:07.819 they'll be now investigated. Are you surprised at all... by 0:12:07.860 --> 0:12:08.600 these claims? 0:12:10.020 --> 0:12:13.420 Well, I'll let Mr Steele-John deal with the claims as 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.260 he sees fit and allegations. What I have great concerns 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.599 about is that quite obviously there was a process of 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:24.680 cover-up within the Greens political party that if what I 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.470 read is correct, that they went through a process of 0:12:27.570 --> 0:12:30.730 saying to people, please don't say anything about this. 0:12:31.350 --> 0:12:33.349 Now, that's not a crime, so. 0:12:35.190 --> 0:12:39.150 But what it is, it states the hypocrisy of the 0:12:39.190 --> 0:12:44.250 Greens party because it quite obviously shows that when there 0:12:44.309 --> 0:12:48.150 is an issue that they rail against, when it's something 0:12:48.210 --> 0:12:52.090 pertinent to them, they stop railing. In fact, they start hiding. 0:12:53.090 --> 0:12:56.330 It seems strange to me, I've got to say. The 0:12:56.530 --> 0:13:01.150 Blaney mine decision, Labor tried to restrict this mine on 0:13:01.170 --> 0:13:04.790 the say-so of people saying claiming to be traditional owners, 0:13:04.830 --> 0:13:08.170 who the real traditional owners said were not, and the 0:13:08.190 --> 0:13:12.700 real traditional owners say that their story about the sacred 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:20.260 blue-banded bee was also not true. I've shown also academics 0:13:20.380 --> 0:13:24.540 and a deputy premier and all sorts of people, an author, 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.500 all of whom claim to be Aboriginal when their genealogical 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.710 records indicate they are not. Do we now need? much 0:13:31.809 --> 0:13:35.150 clearer rules on who can claim to be Aboriginal and 0:13:35.250 --> 0:13:37.849 much tighter checks of the evidence. 0:13:39.390 --> 0:13:41.450 Yes, and one of the groups that asked me for 0:13:41.470 --> 0:13:46.620 that are Aboriginal people because it makes a mockery of 0:13:46.740 --> 0:13:53.600 the genuine spirituality, the genuine stories of people who are, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.890 as I call themselves, proper Aboriginal people. when you have 0:13:56.929 --> 0:13:58.730 other people sort of making it up as they go 0:13:58.790 --> 0:14:02.390 along and, you know, and making it up for purposes 0:14:02.510 --> 0:14:05.960 which maybe there is a pecuniary benefit to themselves for doing. 0:14:07.020 --> 0:14:09.660 I have, you know, obviously growing up in an Aboriginal area, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.439 really good Aboriginal mates, and they always say to me, remember, 0:14:12.460 --> 0:14:15.600 there's a huge difference between saying you're an Aboriginal and 0:14:15.620 --> 0:14:18.870 growing up as an Aboriginal. And a lot of people, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.370 as they see it, come out at a certain time 0:14:21.390 --> 0:14:24.990 in their life and say they're Aboriginal. And really, it's 0:14:25.070 --> 0:14:28.930 very hard to... say, well, how did you come to 0:14:28.970 --> 0:14:32.210 that view? And if it's some very, very tenuous link, 0:14:32.870 --> 0:14:35.370 then you say, well, even though you have some sort 0:14:35.410 --> 0:14:38.660 of maybe slight genetic connection, you've never grown up as 0:14:38.700 --> 0:14:42.680 an Aboriginal. I mean, for instance, I'm, I suppose, I'm 0:14:42.740 --> 0:14:45.400 related to, I suppose, the Celts, but, you know, I 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.760 can hardly walk around saying, well, you know, I'm a 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.570 Druid and now I'm going to find some rocks and 0:14:50.610 --> 0:14:53.650 dance around them. It's That'd be patently absurd because I 0:14:54.070 --> 0:14:55.310 didn't grow up as a Celt. 0:14:55.350 --> 0:14:58.080 I grew up as an Australian. I wonder whether we 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.620 should have some sort of limit, you know, like if 0:15:01.700 --> 0:15:08.720 only one of your eight great-grandparents was Aboriginal, then you 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.080 can't call yourself Aboriginal. You know, one of the 16 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.230 great-great-grandparents who was only one was Aboriginal, then you No, 0:15:17.570 --> 0:15:20.970 you are not. Should there be some sort of limit 0:15:21.050 --> 0:15:21.470 like that? 0:15:21.730 --> 0:15:24.310 Yeah, I think that's a very, I think it's, yeah, 0:15:24.370 --> 0:15:28.390 I think it's absolutely an appropriate discussion to have, Andrew. 0:15:28.410 --> 0:15:30.470 I think one of the big tests of it is 0:15:30.910 --> 0:15:34.210 as you were growing up, did you grow up in 0:15:34.270 --> 0:15:37.490 an area and in a community where you're clearly identified 0:15:37.550 --> 0:15:41.670 as Aboriginal and were you part of that Aboriginal community? 0:15:41.730 --> 0:15:44.250 Like if you grew up in the house next door 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.080 you know, next door to another person in a suburban street, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:52.780 but it just so happens that your great-great-grandmother was Aboriginal. Well, yeah, well, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.720 probably your other great-great-grandmother was Scottish and another one was 0:15:56.820 --> 0:16:00.000 probably Romanian. And, you know, you can't just sort of 0:16:00.020 --> 0:16:05.220 be selective when there's no real cultural link in your 0:16:05.300 --> 0:16:06.590 time of growing up. 0:16:07.450 --> 0:16:12.130 The government today introduced its digital duty of care bill 0:16:12.150 --> 0:16:15.890 to stop social media companies from pushing damaging material over 0:16:15.930 --> 0:16:18.860 the internet onto children. There are a lot of scares 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.200 about how this opens the door to political censorship, which 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.980 the communications minister today again denied. But her trust me 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.780 response at the press club, I don't know. It didn't 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.000 cut it for me. Here she is. 0:16:33.630 --> 0:16:36.590 I'm wondering if you could address those concerns explicitly of 0:16:36.710 --> 0:16:39.650 why this could not be used in that way and 0:16:39.740 --> 0:16:42.280 why those powers would need to exist if that is 0:16:42.300 --> 0:16:43.020 a capability. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.739 Well, there is nowhere in the bill that gives. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.940 The government and by the government in this instance, the 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.100 independent regulator, that power. 0:16:53.060 --> 0:16:53.680 It's just not there. 0:16:54.540 --> 0:16:55.820 Does it prevent that from happening? 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.200 Well, you can see in the section introduced, there is 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.820 nothing in what you've just set out there as a 0:17:00.820 --> 0:17:02.760 worst case scenario that is in the bill. 0:17:03.030 --> 0:17:04.810 Would you just say in the bill that it can't 0:17:04.830 --> 0:17:07.290 be used for those purposes, government propaganda and so forth? 0:17:08.250 --> 0:17:08.770 It can't. 0:17:08.890 --> 0:17:11.340 In a worst-case scenario. The worst person you imagine gets 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.480 the power of the key safety commissioner one day, for example. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:16.060 It cannot. 0:17:17.420 --> 0:17:18.580 I don't know how to be more emphatic. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.980 It doesn't exist. It is not possible. Henry Joyce, what's 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.500 your concern with this bill? And why not? Why not 0:17:26.619 --> 0:17:31.280 change the, you know, just amend this bill to explicitly 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:36.350 prohibit it from being used for political censorship? Why instead 0:17:36.369 --> 0:17:37.890 this trust me it won't be? 0:17:37.910 --> 0:17:42.910 Yeah, well, I don't trust them at all. And this 0:17:42.970 --> 0:17:46.910 will evolve. There's nothing a government that is struggling likes 0:17:46.990 --> 0:17:49.449 more than to be able to stop you telling the 0:17:49.490 --> 0:17:52.960 world that they're struggling and why they are struggling. And, 0:17:53.010 --> 0:17:56.050 of course, they'll say misinformation, disinformation. And, of course, it 0:17:56.430 --> 0:17:59.070 really comes down to the view of the minister. Now, 0:17:59.109 --> 0:18:03.210 the legislation should be explicit. As I said before, they 0:18:03.230 --> 0:18:07.940 give up these virtuous sort of issues of which there 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.760 can be no argument about, like, you know, online pedophilia 0:18:12.900 --> 0:18:18.840 or arguments towards a person being encouraged to commit suicide. And, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.090 of course, how do you argue against that? But you 0:18:21.109 --> 0:18:23.050 should say, You should be explicit that this is what 0:18:23.070 --> 0:18:26.070 you're going after. Actually nominate. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 0:18:26.590 --> 0:18:29.150 And then rule a line. And away from that, nothing else. 0:18:29.710 --> 0:18:31.430 But when you say, oh, well, you know. 0:18:32.470 --> 0:18:34.189 We would never do that. We'd never do that. 0:18:34.369 --> 0:18:35.030 Andrew, go on. 0:18:35.690 --> 0:18:38.490 You say, now I'm really worried because I know full 0:18:38.530 --> 0:18:41.020 well that you have that in mind. And the quiet 0:18:41.060 --> 0:18:44.580 conversations when the camera's off, you're going, goddamn, every time 0:18:44.619 --> 0:18:48.699 they talk about climate change, we'll go, misinformation. Shut them off. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.700 Every time they talk about our debt out of control, 0:18:52.180 --> 0:18:55.180 shut them off. Every time they talk about issues of, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:19:02.429 you know, social unrest, Islamisation, shut them off. 0:19:02.550 --> 0:19:03.909 We know how this works. 0:19:03.930 --> 0:19:07.550 And we've got to be so diligent to protect basically 0:19:07.570 --> 0:19:10.189 the sanctity of the public square for a fulsome debate 0:19:10.210 --> 0:19:13.330 because that's how we defend freedoms. 0:19:13.190 --> 0:19:14.030 And our democracy. 0:19:14.050 --> 0:19:16.550 And I know that's one of the catch cries of yourself, Andrew. 0:19:18.210 --> 0:19:24.490 It certainly is. Barnaby, you have been trying to raise 0:19:24.570 --> 0:19:27.070 in Parliament a couple of days, for a couple of 0:19:27.090 --> 0:19:32.260 days now, the discovery of a fire ant nest in 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.820 New South Wales. Now, fire ants are from overseas. They 0:19:37.020 --> 0:19:41.929 cause multiple stings if you disturb them. These are nasty buggers. 0:19:41.930 --> 0:19:44.219 What's the big issue for you here? 0:19:44.220 --> 0:19:48.090 Okay, first of all, they can kill you. Amphilactic shock, 0:19:48.140 --> 0:19:51.169 it happens. It's registered many times around the world. You 0:19:51.190 --> 0:19:53.050 don't just get bitten once, you get bitten hundreds of 0:19:53.130 --> 0:19:56.389 times in a few seconds. And for that, for a 0:19:56.430 --> 0:19:59.649 child that's been put down on the grass in a 0:19:59.690 --> 0:20:02.180 park in the centre, because they're found in the centre 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.619 of Sydney in the inner suburbs, that could be the 0:20:04.660 --> 0:20:07.119 end of that child. And we know about this nest, Andrew, 0:20:07.300 --> 0:20:10.120 and it's amazing if you get the chance to see 0:20:10.500 --> 0:20:13.990 the minister today answering a very succinct question from myself. 0:20:14.570 --> 0:20:17.830 The question I'm asking is how long has this nest 0:20:18.170 --> 0:20:20.680 been there for? And all they give you the answer 0:20:20.700 --> 0:20:23.980 is of what's happened subsequently because it's a mature nest. 0:20:24.580 --> 0:20:27.220 Fire ants can fly up to five kilometres to set 0:20:27.260 --> 0:20:30.030 up a new nest. And so you would go from 0:20:30.050 --> 0:20:33.110 the Enfield intermodal, which is in the seat of Watson 0:20:33.170 --> 0:20:35.490 of Mr Tony Burke, right next to the seat of 0:20:35.510 --> 0:20:39.270 Grayndler of Mr Anthony Albanese and the seat of Sydney 0:20:39.530 --> 0:20:42.709 of Miss Tanya Plebisek. And you say all these areas 0:20:43.619 --> 0:20:48.120 have now the chance of being infected and by fire ants. 0:20:48.300 --> 0:20:50.080 And the people of those areas had a right to know. 0:20:50.260 --> 0:20:52.239 They actually hid it for 19 days. They found out 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.060 about it. And we didn't find out about it for 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.780 another 19 days. And you can just see it. It's 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.919 that mischievous dishonesty that we're seeing from the government. So 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:02.740 even if you have no concern about fire ants, and 0:21:02.770 --> 0:21:10.290 you should, have a look how a government manipulates, doesn't answer, confuses, 0:21:10.750 --> 0:21:14.410 and basically does not tell you the truth about something 0:21:14.430 --> 0:21:17.500 that's incredibly important And by the time we do find 0:21:17.540 --> 0:21:18.900 out about it, it'll be too late. 0:21:20.340 --> 0:21:22.980 Yeah, well, I'd like to know what steps are being 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.560 taken to do this. But, yes, amazing that we've been 0:21:26.980 --> 0:21:29.410 not told for so long. Barnaby Joyce, thank you so 0:21:29.450 --> 0:21:30.570 much for your time. 0:21:31.750 --> 0:21:32.690 Absolute pleasure, Andrew. 0:21:34.210 --> 0:21:37.570 After the break, Victoria police investigate why they allegedly monstered 0:21:37.609 --> 0:21:42.399 a Jewish journalist instead of the pro-Palestine protesters they thought 0:21:42.859 --> 0:21:50.650 might attack him. Victoria Police is now investigating its treatment 0:21:50.690 --> 0:21:54.929 of journalist Avi Yemeni from the right-wing Rebel News and 0:21:54.950 --> 0:21:58.740 I'm not surprised. I've been bothered for years by the 0:21:58.780 --> 0:22:01.300 way police supposedly keep the peace by picking on the 0:22:01.340 --> 0:22:06.000 innocent rather than the potentially violent protesters who could attack them. 0:22:07.540 --> 0:22:10.920 Now I get it is obviously much easier for outnumbered 0:22:11.020 --> 0:22:15.130 police to move on a peaceful individual rather than the rest, 0:22:15.710 --> 0:22:19.330 a rampaging mob that hates the sight of them. But 0:22:19.390 --> 0:22:23.189 at least they could do that with apologies and respect 0:22:23.510 --> 0:22:28.129 to the innocent person they're telling to get lost. But 0:22:28.190 --> 0:22:31.840 look how they dealt instead with Yemeni, who is Jewish 0:22:31.890 --> 0:22:37.420 and shock right wing, and went to cover pro-Palestine protesters 0:22:37.460 --> 0:22:41.360 who chose October 7th the anniversary of the Hamas slaughter 0:22:41.380 --> 0:22:46.940 of Israelis, to demonstrate against Israel instead, and got very 0:22:47.020 --> 0:22:50.869 pushy when Yemeni had the nerve as a journalist to 0:22:50.900 --> 0:23:05.129 question them. Now, other people that Yemeni filmed there, not 0:23:05.170 --> 0:23:09.010 those I just showed, told them they supported Hamas. And 0:23:09.030 --> 0:23:16.300 there was no pro-Palestine agitator. Well, there was, in fact, 0:23:16.340 --> 0:23:22.830 a pro-Palestine agitator called Ihad al-Azhar. Now, he earlier this 0:23:22.930 --> 0:23:29.370 year was filmed calling Hamas terrorists freedom fighters and even 0:23:29.490 --> 0:23:31.730 threatening more October 7th slaughters. 0:23:31.730 --> 0:23:35.060 7 October is the bloody beginning of it. 0:23:35.690 --> 0:23:38.560 You're going to have plenty of 7 Octobers coming. Plenty 0:23:38.619 --> 0:23:40.580 of it. And the next 7 October is going to 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:45.399 be to kick your ass out. So that character was 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:50.310 at this October 7 protest last week too. But who 0:23:50.350 --> 0:23:55.790 did the police turn on? On the angry protesters I 0:23:55.830 --> 0:23:59.709 just showed you? Or on the Jewish reporter they were 0:23:59.730 --> 0:24:05.010 shoving around who was just asking questions? Unless you move on, you're. 0:24:04.670 --> 0:24:07.710 Going to be arrested. Ben Carroll today promised that he's 0:24:07.730 --> 0:24:10.290 going to keep Jews safe. Well, you're going to have 0:24:10.310 --> 0:24:13.390 to arrest me because I'm not going. I'm not going. 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.820 It's October 7. My crime is being a Jew in 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:19.340 Melbourne on October 7. 0:24:19.340 --> 0:24:23.220 At one stage, a policeman even grabbed Yemeni's throat, albeit briefly. 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.720 On October 7... I'm not touching this, Sergeant, mate. 0:24:26.740 --> 0:24:32.679 You're so big and tough, yeah? And I saw another 0:24:32.780 --> 0:24:34.980 with a big smile on his face, shoving and shoving 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:39.000 and shoving with his hands up there at Yemini. Now, 0:24:41.740 --> 0:24:43.899 I think that's just too much. I was joined earlier 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.439 by Avi Yemini. Avi Yemini, great to catch up with 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:53.450 you again. You actually submitted through your lawyers a complaint 0:24:53.470 --> 0:24:58.369 to Victoria Police. They are now investigating. What is your complaint? 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.660 Well, thanks for having me, Andrew. My complaint is simple. 0:25:02.900 --> 0:25:05.560 I'm trying to do my job. I'm doing everything in 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.389 my power to execute my job. I'm bringing, because for 0:25:09.450 --> 0:25:12.210