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Speaker 2: Hello MAXI.
Speaker 3: They won a close game and used up all of
Speaker 3: their terrible, terrible losses in the space of about twelve
Speaker 3: minutess what an incredible Friday night.
Speaker 2: That was close losses over how many forever about.
Speaker 3: Seven dec I think somehow it's quite impressive.
Speaker 2: It was a very good effort from the Crows. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about that very shortly. Also joining us is our
Speaker 2: hard working night our a bit flat after the Tigers
Speaker 2: disappointment from Saturday. Jack Jovanovski Hello, JJ.
Speaker 4: Hello, Well, it's good to be back. It wasn't It
Speaker 4: wasn't pleasant viewing on.
Speaker 3: On Saturday, though first quarter was okay.
Speaker 4: It was promising, too promising. It builds up the expectation.
Speaker 2: It's quite some thing to be in the office when
Speaker 2: you get when Jack's doing Richmond team tips and he
Speaker 2: particularly and he confidently.
Speaker 3: Nail it every week. Who's coming in and out of
Speaker 3: the side.
Speaker 2: It's not Richmond enough because of course he's a very
Speaker 2: good objective reporter. Well, but no, his knowledge of some
Speaker 2: very fringe Richmond plays he is quite astounding.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean i'd like to think that I get
Speaker 4: close sometimes. I mean there are a few.
Speaker 3: Did you not get the exact four ins and outs
Speaker 3: a week or two ago?
Speaker 4: I did, and I let everyone know about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't sound like you're being because I brought
Speaker 3: it up this time. So it's fine.
Speaker 2: Just apologies for no record last week and this delayed drop.
Speaker 2: I was sick last week and then we initially we
Speaker 2: had a sort of replacement team ready to go. Sea
Speaker 2: was also ready to host.
Speaker 3: Apparently Zita has quit on us like three times in
Speaker 3: a row. Let's be honest here. Look, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that he needs to be dropped for team morale reasons,
Speaker 3: just permanently to the reserves, but I think it's a consideration.
Speaker 2: Anyway. We're here and we're recording, and that's the most
Speaker 2: important thing. Just a quick word on the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame last night, I can't remember in probably since working here,
Speaker 2: just a such an emotional is not the right word,
Speaker 2: but there was just so much content, I suppose in
Speaker 2: last night in terms of the wonderful storylines of Aaron
Speaker 2: Phillips and Daisy Pierced getting in in the same class,
Speaker 2: and of course that beautiful moment where Aaron paid tribute
Speaker 2: to her dad, Greg Phillips is also in the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame as well, So that was that was fantastic,
Speaker 2: The absolute sportsman's like speech from Peter Daly, who was
Speaker 2: clearly the most in demand person post event, and Gary
Speaker 2: was just Gary, like he just totally own the room,
Speaker 2: like it was his own sportsman night. But we sort
Speaker 2: of got the rollercoaster of emotions there.
Speaker 3: It was a fantastic knight, and so the Peter Daly
Speaker 3: one was the best one for me because I haven't
Speaker 3: really heard of him. To be honest, I'm not a
Speaker 3: sandful expert. I know some of my footy history, but
Speaker 3: a lot of it. But that's why ideally you induct
Speaker 3: these older players when they have the chance to be
Speaker 3: at the event, give a speech, tell the stories they've
Speaker 3: been telling their grandkids and everyone else for fifty years,
Speaker 3: but they've reversed them perfectly and they can do all
Speaker 3: these incredible lines. Jerry did a fantastic job interviewing them.
Speaker 3: He always does and gets the best out of them.
Speaker 3: It's a fantastic night and you can understand why so
Speaker 3: many of the people who are involved always say it's
Speaker 3: the best night on the footy calendar, because it would
Speaker 3: be so much fun to be around that vibe.
Speaker 2: Nick Revolt and Luke Coodge also inducted as well. Revolt well,
Speaker 2: it was of eligible a couple of years ago, but
Speaker 2: was in person, yes this time. And of course Luke
Speaker 2: Codge the fresh guy into the Hall of Fame. But
Speaker 2: let's go max into the power rankings, where we've got
Speaker 2: Collingwood and Geelong at the top and then we've got
Speaker 2: who's Adelaide over Brisbane, Brisbane over at Brisbane over Adelaide
Speaker 2: despite the result on the weekend, but so did we
Speaker 2: learn do we learn much about either team in from
Speaker 2: that result?
Speaker 3: So I thought what Matthew Nick said after that game
Speaker 3: was absolutely perfect, both in his suit of your narrative
Speaker 3: birth perfectly, but I think it was also an incredibly
Speaker 3: honest admission that we were lucky because we deserve some luck,
Speaker 3: we will do some luck, and therefore we can't go
Speaker 3: out of this night saying oh yeah, we're totally fine.
Speaker 3: We're a contender now. Like the simplified narrative is okay,
Speaker 3: they beat the Braining Premiere is great, win Adelaide's finally
Speaker 3: for real, But you know there was some fortune in it. Yes,
Speaker 3: they kicked in accurately at the start of the game,
Speaker 3: and yes they had a role in Brisbane not kicking
Speaker 3: a goal on the fourth quarter, But clearly Brisbane had
Speaker 3: their chances and could have probably should have won.
Speaker 2: And I think Chris Fagan, as respectfully as he possibly
Speaker 2: could suggest said postgame, we lost that game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you said we should have won. Yeah, So,
Speaker 3: which I think is totally fair. So if anything, I
Speaker 3: came out of that game slightly more confident in Brisbane,
Speaker 3: who I was worried about because they hadn't had that
Speaker 3: many great games and the Essendon game at home the
Speaker 3: week before was less than impressive. But no, they showed
Speaker 3: a lot on the road and tricky conditions against another
Speaker 3: good team. But Adelaide lived up to the standard at
Speaker 3: least of that game, and it was a quality watch,
Speaker 3: which is what we wanted and not what we got.
Speaker 3: Sometimes over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yea, if the Crows win, are sorry. If the Lions win.
Speaker 2: The disposal camp by seventy two, jack clearances by nearly twenty,
Speaker 2: contestable by nearly thirteen by thirteen, inside fifties by thirteen,
Speaker 2: and I think uncontested marks by eighteen, which we know
Speaker 2: is their go to style. It's say Brisbane wins that,
Speaker 2: maybe not nine times out of ten, but ten times
Speaker 2: out of ten. So there's a lot of learnings for
Speaker 2: the Lions to come away with.
Speaker 4: I think there's there's a lot of good in that.
Speaker 4: But then also Max, I would ask you, are you
Speaker 4: concerned about the inability to capitalize on that dominance because
Speaker 4: we've seen a few times this year now and you know,
Speaker 4: Kingy's and these kinds of people will question the Danaher
Speaker 4: absence and Ty Gallup came into the time, so you're
Speaker 4: getting a few different a few different looks at different
Speaker 4: sort of forward mixes. He concerned at all about their
Speaker 4: inability to actually capitalize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's actual thing I think looking I think
Speaker 3: it was on first crack they showed that last year
Speaker 3: they were fifth for forward efficiency in terms of turning
Speaker 3: inside fifty into goals, twelve or thirteenth this year. So
Speaker 3: that's a genuine drop off, and logically Danaher's absence as
Speaker 3: one of the better key forwards in the comp is
Speaker 3: going to play a role in that. You know, they're
Speaker 3: nine and three with a draw in a good position.
Speaker 3: They have got a hard run home, so some tough
Speaker 3: games and if they drop those, they could be in
Speaker 3: trouble of dropping in risk of dropping out of the
Speaker 3: top four. But I think that that's a flow that
Speaker 3: is fixable because you can just have sometimes a very
Speaker 3: efficient day and w and that can win you a final.
Speaker 3: So it's not the most devastating one, but it's a
Speaker 3: concern in the same way that I've been concerned about
Speaker 3: the lines for a little while. The percentage is still
Speaker 3: not the worst in the top eight anymore because a
Speaker 3: few teams have had some troubles, but it's certainly the
Speaker 3: worst amongst the top five. Although I look at the
Speaker 3: top four in the ladder now Collingwood, Brisbane, Adelaide, Gelong
Speaker 3: that for the first time sounds like the right top
Speaker 3: four right. That feels like the four best teams are
Speaker 3: in there right now.
Speaker 2: So two teams who are not in there are Hawthorne
Speaker 2: and the Bulldogs who played as we record six six
Speaker 2: days ago, long time ago. Was this a flinch reaction though,
Speaker 2: Maxie Hawthorne went from seventh to fifth and the Dog
Speaker 2: went from third to sixth.
Speaker 3: No, So, as I've talked about the big Bulldogs believe,
Speaker 3: I'm the world's biggest Bulldogs believer the BBB.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's be cute.
Speaker 3: They have done quite a lot right this season, but
Speaker 3: not beating good teams is a problem. Being one and
Speaker 3: six against the top nine it means something. It doesn't
Speaker 3: mean nothing, even if they've been competitive in every one
Speaker 3: of those games, so you have to take that into account.
Speaker 3: It's gonna hurt them on the ladder, like there are
Speaker 3: three games out of the top four. Now they can
Speaker 3: make that up over their last eleven games, but it
Speaker 3: will be tricky, so that is a problem. They're going
Speaker 3: to end up having the same season of elimination final
Speaker 3: deciding the year and either they lose that or they
Speaker 3: go all the way to the Grand Final based.
Speaker 2: On history the Sorry Jack they play and kild Her
Speaker 2: on Thursday night the Bulldogs. You're at the game for
Speaker 2: Hawthorne Dogs as well. Did you come away from that
Speaker 2: more glass half empty about the bulldogs prospects for this year?
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think it said more about
Speaker 4: Hawthorne and their response, like they really upped their intensity
Speaker 4: and pressure from the week before. But on the Bulldogs,
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting because we hear about Bevo and
Speaker 4: how he's quoted as a once in a lifetime coach,
Speaker 4: and I think it's interesting with Sam Darcy to come
Speaker 4: back this weekend is when or will he ever truly
Speaker 4: consider moving Aaron Norton back to defense, because if there
Speaker 4: are issues in key defense and someone like Norton, who
Speaker 4: has great hands, tried.
Speaker 2: Out key defender is a junior come right.
Speaker 4: Through Sam Darcy's back He's going to be the focal
Speaker 4: point of regardless of whether Norton's fort or not. So yeah,
Speaker 4: and again King's being honest. This is like the big
Speaker 4: magnet move which everyone is sort of wonders about, but
Speaker 4: we never see it.
Speaker 3: We talked about it for years. Basically, I feel like
Speaker 3: when they've had their issues last year, they fixed it
Speaker 3: by moving Rory Lob back, and Lob has had an
Speaker 3: okay year, but not the year that he had in
Speaker 3: the second half of last season, so that's their problem.
Speaker 4: And he's had to move Lob foward during games in
Speaker 4: the second half to just to get some scoring impact
Speaker 4: because we're still not getting it from Norton, and I
Speaker 4: think Norton being a non factor last Days and Night
Speaker 4: was a big part of why they lost. So it's
Speaker 4: just something I wonder about.
Speaker 3: I think it's their scoring has not been a problem
Speaker 3: this year. Is the thing the defense has, So that's
Speaker 3: the main thing they need to fix. If you want
Speaker 3: to sacrifice a little bit of scoring force and defense,
Speaker 3: I think that would make some sense. He does feel
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he's being stubborn about it, but
Speaker 3: Luke Beverytt has his intricacies. He has his ways, such
Speaker 3: as playing Ride and Gardener on the weekend. I know
Speaker 3: he has an incredible VFL form, but it felt like
Speaker 3: a very oh that's the bevau thing to do. And
Speaker 3: then Ryan Gardner has, you know, a down night, let's say.
Speaker 3: So those are the sort of things that you have
Speaker 3: to deal with. He's trying to find a solution.
Speaker 2: Clearly.
Speaker 3: With Darcy in there, maybe it gives him more leverage,
Speaker 3: more options. But if they don't do something, they're fighting
Speaker 3: for one of those spots in the bottom half of
Speaker 3: the eight.
Speaker 4: Again, that was their lowest score of the year as well.
Speaker 3: It was their first properly bad game for the year,
Speaker 3: so we can't panic.
Speaker 4: They weren't getting anywhere near as low score of that
Speaker 4: I reckon for the rest of the.
Speaker 3: Year, certainly not at Marvel.
Speaker 2: So the Hawks response was strong and we were expecting,
Speaker 2: and the Port Adelaide response was strong against the Giants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like a completely different team after the buy,
Speaker 3: didn't they?
Speaker 2: So the Giants are now there? Are they still in
Speaker 2: your power? They just eighth?
Speaker 3: Then they're still ninth. They're ninth because who else am
Speaker 3: I going to put above them? It's not like there's
Speaker 3: anyone really that convincing in the bottom nine. There's more.
Speaker 2: I think we've said a couple of times in his
Speaker 2: podcast this year there's a chasm between the top eight
Speaker 2: nine and the rest this year. But Jack, what's up
Speaker 2: with the Giants in particular, because they were the most
Speaker 2: common Premiership tip amongst I think it was thirty five
Speaker 2: Fox Footy pundits pre season and they are at the
Speaker 2: moment in some doubt you'd think to play finals.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was one of them to tip the Giants
Speaker 4: of the flag. I guess since round six you've seen
Speaker 4: a drop off in a few key areas and have
Speaker 4: had some key injuries. I think Brenton Daniel's missing a
Speaker 4: lot of footy has been He's not great, obviously, Jake
Speaker 4: Stringer has hasn't had anywhere near the kind of start
Speaker 4: to his Jedibirst ten years he would have liked. Josh
Speaker 4: Kelly's been injured, Finn Callahan, so there are clearly some absences.
Speaker 4: But after round six you see massive drop offs in
Speaker 4: like their ability to score off intercept from clearance and
Speaker 4: even converting their chances once they go forward. So it's
Speaker 4: a lot of the midfield has been a worry and
Speaker 4: of course like you have a few names missing there,
Speaker 4: but you just worry about their ability to actually score
Speaker 4: from clearances. Generate clearances be first at a footy. So
Speaker 4: they've been really poor in the last six rounds especially.
Speaker 3: And if it was bad last year though, like they
Speaker 3: were bad from clearances last year and they overcame it
Speaker 3: and should have beaten the two eventual Grand finals in
Speaker 3: those finals. So you just imagine how worried we would
Speaker 3: be about them, even more so if they didn't have
Speaker 3: Sam Taylor and Jack Buckley.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing about them, I think is Adam Kingsley
Speaker 4: really brought that Richmond style of play from his time
Speaker 4: as an assistant there, and you see the same sort
Speaker 4: of surge mentally, which is a lot of post clearance,
Speaker 4: a lot of post clearance, first of the ball pressure
Speaker 4: after the clearance. Richmond went never a really big senate
Speaker 4: clearance or contested ball team, but they were always like
Speaker 4: a post clearance team and territory after the clearance.
Speaker 3: And the care attack is what makes the Giants look
Speaker 3: so dangerous when they get on top of someone.
Speaker 4: But they haven't looked dangerous in the last six weeks,
Speaker 4: especially trying to move the ball from the back.
Speaker 2: Half from a just under the job. To the power rankings,
Speaker 2: Melbourne's ahead of Carlton now and I think after I
Speaker 2: was at the game on Monday, great spectacle as always,
Speaker 2: and the D's were brave and Collingwood. I didn't come
Speaker 2: away from that game thinking Collingwood had gone down the
Speaker 2: Premiership pecking order or anything like that. It was actually
Speaker 2: almost brilliant that they found another way to win, which
Speaker 2: was what Craig mccraye's stress afterwards as well, is that
Speaker 2: that was as gutsy as it as it gets. But
Speaker 2: Melbourne was super impressive. Arguably should have won the game,
Speaker 2: Probably should have won the game.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, it's at at very least a coin flip. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was Melbourne playing up to the standard of Collingwood,
Speaker 3: I would say, and that's why I've put them in.
Speaker 3: I don't think Melbourn's going to make the eight. I
Speaker 3: think their draws too hard and they've already lost.
Speaker 2: Eight games, so they to go through their draw because
Speaker 2: because that at the moment they are playing better than
Speaker 2: a lot of the teams competing for that seventh Feith spot.
Speaker 3: They've won five of their last eight and they should
Speaker 3: have won two of them. They probably you could say
Speaker 3: they should have been in Collingwood, you know, close games,
Speaker 3: thesecents happened point game, and then the Saint Kilda game
Speaker 3: as well if they hadn't kicked seven twenty one they
Speaker 3: definitely could have and should have won that, and then
Speaker 3: the Hawthorne game, which is their biggest loss of this patch.
Speaker 3: They are in it completely at three quarter time.
Speaker 2: It's the fourth quarter blowout.
Speaker 3: So they've had a really good eight weeks, are really
Speaker 3: like a top eight quality eight weeks. The zip and
Speaker 3: five start and some close losses and bad kicking is
Speaker 3: going to cost them a spot in the finals. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're pulling up.
Speaker 2: I've got to here Port Adelaide. They play in Adelaide
Speaker 2: this weekend, one of the.
Speaker 3: Two really tough games to tip this week too one.
Speaker 2: Then a couple of tough ones Gold Coast in Gold
Speaker 2: Coast and then Melbourne in Adelaide. So they're on the
Speaker 2: road for three consecutive games playing the other weeks.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, so that's the problem. They've got a lot
Speaker 3: of top eight teams left, so they're going to have
Speaker 3: to take some scalps. And they've played well enough to
Speaker 3: take those gaps if they played like they did against colling.
Speaker 2: With you say they were playing Melbourne, Yeah, no, No, they're
Speaker 2: playing the Adelaide Crows.
Speaker 3: In Adelaide, Adelaide, That's what I mean. In the City
Speaker 3: of Churches Ring the else.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So look, yeah, if they're good enough to take their chances,
Speaker 3: they'll get there. But I think realistically the only team
Speaker 3: that can make it from the bottom ten is Carlton,
Speaker 3: right because I think Carlton, while impressive for only one
Speaker 3: quarter against Essendon, was pretty impressive in that one quarter.
Speaker 3: And they've also got the drawer to do it. I
Speaker 3: think they've only got two games left against the top nine.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So their next five weeks, so they've got
Speaker 2: West Coast in Perth this weekend, then North Melbourne at
Speaker 2: BMCG then they fly to Port Adelaide at the Fly
Speaker 2: to Adelaide to take on the Power. Then those two
Speaker 2: top two. There's top games against Collingwood and the Brisbane,
Speaker 2: the Brisbane games at Marvel Stadium.
Speaker 3: And then they've got some more winnable ones after.
Speaker 2: That Melbourn, Hawthorne, Fremantle, Gold Coast, Port Adelaide, Essendon.
Speaker 3: There are enough games that Carlton at their best can win.
Speaker 3: You know, they're maxing out at like thirteen wins, so
Speaker 3: you're sneaking in. But if the Giants are going to
Speaker 3: keep falling over, if the board dogs are going to
Speaker 3: keep stuffing up, if the Dockers do what they did
Speaker 3: last year, there's some spots available. That's the only realistic
Speaker 3: scenario I can see. So many teams, they've already got
Speaker 3: so many losses. You can basically only a four to
Speaker 3: ten losses and there are most teams in that bottom
Speaker 3: ten are already on eight losses. Yeah, so you need
Speaker 3: to have a miracle run. It says why those last
Speaker 3: few years we've gotten used to it almost but they're
Speaker 3: the exceptions against the rule, not the rule.
Speaker 2: And two brave performances from Essen in the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks and you've got them in the bottom four.
Speaker 3: Well, Port Adelaid did win, so I did to move
Speaker 3: them up. You know, it's always tough this ranking businesses.
Speaker 3: Their midfield has had some really good periods in both
Speaker 3: of those games against Brisbane and Carlton the second and
Speaker 3: third quarters they've got on top of those games. So
Speaker 3: it's a year of not contending. We know that's sort
Speaker 3: of the point of this year. It's why they did
Speaker 3: nothing the Bombers in the trade period and the off season,
Speaker 3: apart from drafting Isaac CaCO. But they're showing signs. Defensively,
Speaker 3: they've been better, not great, but better. And the midfield
Speaker 3: has showed some signs too, even though Zach Merrit's been
Speaker 3: moved all over the ground, like playing forward I think
Speaker 3: for the entire fourth quarter on Sunday nights. So they're
Speaker 3: doing things, they're trying things. There's reasons to be optimistic
Speaker 3: about them, even if they're not going to do a
Speaker 3: lot of this year though. Have you said that they've
Speaker 3: won as many games the Bulldogs, who I love?
Speaker 2: So you do love the Bulldogs? That is very true.
Speaker 2: Hey Jack, did you enjoy helping cover the West Coast v.
Speaker 2: North Melbourne Sunday?
Speaker 4: It was a great watch, really good watch. I actually
Speaker 4: felt because I really like Andrew mcqualter, and I felt
Speaker 4: really bad for him because, like with the amount of
Speaker 4: territory dominance I had, it was just like a really
Speaker 4: hard watch as a neutual, let alone a fan of
Speaker 4: the Eagles.
Speaker 2: Classic bottom three game, wasn't it?
Speaker 3: It was like they realized they weren't playing at an AFL ground,
Speaker 3: so they didn't need to play an AFL standard.
Speaker 2: Will hold your fire on the south West, will save
Speaker 2: it or save your bullets for this segment and.
Speaker 1: Now on the Fox Foody podcast, another strong edition of
Speaker 1: Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast.
Speaker 2: Big edition of Fair or Fast Strong Melbourne theme off
Speaker 2: the top, oh bias Max Max Gorn biting back at
Speaker 2: Stephen May was a tipping point for him after publicly
Speaker 2: carrying his club for many years.
Speaker 3: Fair or Fast tipping point for Max Horn. Yes, No,
Speaker 3: I think that's a fast. I think this was just
Speaker 3: sort of relatively healthy player behavior between two veterans of
Speaker 3: a club.
Speaker 2: Don't often see a captain push a teammate though.
Speaker 3: No, I can understand being frustrated in that moment, and
Speaker 3: I think I could also understand getting frustrated with Stephen May.
Speaker 3: End of sentence. He could be a difficult teammate at times,
Speaker 3: I imagine based on what we've seen of him. So
Speaker 3: it's look, these things happen. It played in a very
Speaker 3: public way because of the time of the game and
Speaker 3: the platform of the game and all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And also the fact that cameras captured the incident and
Speaker 2: then captured Max walking straight out as well.
Speaker 3: But the best thing about it, honestly was how he
Speaker 3: has responded ever since. One of the classiest in the game,
Speaker 3: like the doing multiple interviews afterwards with multiple different media outlets,
Speaker 3: going on radio on Monday morning is usual spot talking
Speaker 3: about it pretty openly Tuesday morning. Brother, He's just fantastic
Speaker 3: with that stuff, so he really diffused it quite an.
Speaker 2: Jack Simon Goodwin's winging over how Ed Langdon was adjudicated
Speaker 2: after hard time alfter halftime was sour grapes fair or
Speaker 2: fast fair?
Speaker 4: I think it was sour grapes because I think it
Speaker 4: was a pretty pretty hard tag in the first half
Speaker 4: and I can only recall maybe one or two free
Speaker 4: kicks that he gave away in the first half, So
Speaker 4: I think he was right in this sense that they
Speaker 4: might have shifted the adjudication a little bit in the
Speaker 4: second half. But it was a really tight tag. And
Speaker 4: you spoke to Billy Frampton who said, yes, one of
Speaker 4: the hardest tags he's seen in person. Yes, he did
Speaker 4: say that, and yeah, I mean you could see on
Speaker 4: the broadcast and like our guys noted, it wasn't just
Speaker 4: Langdon who it was everyone from Melbourne who really tried
Speaker 4: to put a body in him when they could, and
Speaker 4: Langdon made sure to let him to let Nick know
Speaker 4: about it when he would have the odd stuff up.
Speaker 4: But it's obviously hard to You can never actually fully
Speaker 4: quell his influence, but you can contain it, and I
Speaker 4: think Langdon did it as good as he could have
Speaker 4: possibly done.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen Ed Langdon tag before, but
Speaker 2: I'm actually quite enjoying this approach from Simon Goodwin where
Speaker 2: he's picking players from his team to play run with
Speaker 2: slash tagging roles based on their strengths against specific opposition
Speaker 2: players at the moment. So he saw there a different
Speaker 2: guy Oliver go to Newcombe at Hawthorne a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2: We saw Langdon go to Deskos because he's a bit
Speaker 2: more of that running player as well. And Jack Viney
Speaker 2: and Trent Rivers have also done run with jobs. Sparrow
Speaker 2: has done a job in the past. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: in this sort of specific four or five week block
Speaker 2: when Melbourne have gone on a bit of a run.
Speaker 2: But it's different from Simon Goodwin that he's just turning
Speaker 2: to a tager but only for maybe one game this season.
Speaker 3: He is arguably since round six, the coach of the year.
Speaker 2: It's fair statement.
Speaker 3: Like the way that the Melbourne has turned around at
Speaker 3: season and those sorts of moves, the unique options that
Speaker 3: they've found, it's really impressive. I just like that we've
Speaker 3: finally come to a point where we're saying Collinwood deserves
Speaker 3: more free kicks, because no one's complained about that all year,
Speaker 3: have they?
Speaker 2: That they get a few max if Geelong can fit
Speaker 2: another two star players in their salary cap. Fans have
Speaker 2: every right to be skeptical, fair or fast.
Speaker 3: This is this was it. I mean, it was spoken
Speaker 3: on TV, so it's not clickbait, but it was the
Speaker 3: most baity comment humanly possible to make. Even though I
Speaker 3: do not doubt the veracity of the report.
Speaker 2: Mitch Cleary quoted Steve Hawking from a coterie pregame function.
Speaker 3: Well, and we know that club figures have no reason
Speaker 3: to exaggerate to the coterie, do they?
Speaker 2: And Chris Scott. Chris Scott was on soon after the
Speaker 2: report aired and certainly did not deny it.
Speaker 3: There's a realistic scenario where he is talking about over
Speaker 3: the next few years Delong's will have some cap space
Speaker 3: opening up because of Dangerfield and duncan gu through the
Speaker 3: likes camera in the club. Yes, hopefully Cameron's got more
Speaker 3: than two or three years left, but you know at
Speaker 3: some point so maybe in that context that would open
Speaker 3: up some space. But also you can always do funny
Speaker 3: things to the salary cap, and you can always move
Speaker 3: salaries around and stuff.
Speaker 2: But Chris Scott said, in this competition where they try
Speaker 2: to equalize a much as possible, it can be a
Speaker 2: real competitive advantage if you can use your salary cap wisely.
Speaker 3: And Geelong has clearly done so in numerous ways. There
Speaker 3: are questions over said things that I don't think they've
Speaker 3: been sanctioned other than what appear to be some looming
Speaker 3: fines over things not being disclosed. Yep. So like AfOR
Speaker 3: W player getting a car, so you know, normal stuff.
Speaker 3: Every club has this sort of stuff. Gelong just gets
Speaker 3: a lot more attention because of the appearance of abnormalities,
Speaker 3: let's say, because you know, it's like the sleepy hollow
Speaker 3: perception of people not actually investigating the club. I think
Speaker 3: people look into the minnow.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Cats and big name players, Jack Bailey
Speaker 2: Smith really didn't need to host Andrew Dillon at his abode.
Speaker 2: Fair or fast.
Speaker 4: I think that's fair. I don't know. I don't have
Speaker 4: a massive opinion on this, but did he offer?
Speaker 3: Is that what I texted him a deal? Come over?
Speaker 3: What a chat?
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was, he would have directly texting,
Speaker 2: But it does sound like Bailey's played a bit of
Speaker 2: a role in initiating.
Speaker 4: Being willing to be transparent. It can't be a bad thing.
Speaker 4: And I mean he could have met it the club
Speaker 4: or maybe AFL HQ. But he's He's got a nice
Speaker 4: property out there wed Hope, so it's a nice acreage.
Speaker 2: From what I recall, Max Southwest Western Australia just put
Speaker 2: in a compelling case for the twentieth AFL license, fair
Speaker 2: or fast.
Speaker 3: I think if anything, West Coast North would have made
Speaker 3: them withdraw from contention.
Speaker 2: I'm talking more about hands Over Ah.
Speaker 3: What a odd name. I'm sure it's named after a person.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it is.
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's a great option for the twentieth team,
Speaker 3: and I've long thought that w A should host the
Speaker 3: twentieth team. The problem is WA doesn't want the twentieth team.
Speaker 3: The WAFC doesn't want the twentieth team because they run
Speaker 3: West Coast and Fremantle and love the sort of duopola
Speaker 3: that they have over the state and the strong financial
Speaker 3: situation they're in. So I think that would be a
Speaker 3: major problem to overcome. But in terms of actual realistic options,
Speaker 3: Camera's off the table because the AFOL doesn't want to
Speaker 3: cannibalize the Giants zone. It wants to give them Western
Speaker 3: Sydney and Canbra, So you can't put a team in Cambra,
Speaker 3: which would be the best option otherwise.
Speaker 2: So I immediately think then of Nord.
Speaker 3: I think the problem is that putting a third team
Speaker 3: in Essay is like putting a third team in WA,
Speaker 3: but every element is worse other than the history of normal.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, though, it's because it sounds
Speaker 2: like in if you're putting a team in southwest Western Australia,
Speaker 2: it feels like it might have to be a new
Speaker 2: ish team. I don't know if you're a team coming,
Speaker 2: but nor would would be an established covers a bit
Speaker 2: like to the Dolphins, though they're not the Redcliffe Dolphins.
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of Redcliffe vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only benefit it would have is the fact
Speaker 3: that it has the established brand and established fan base
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But otherwise Adelaide does not have
Speaker 3: as much money as much population like they have Adelaide Over.
Speaker 3: You're going to play some great games, but it's still
Speaker 3: a smaller area. Whether you're putting the third team in
Speaker 3: Perth itself or you're giving it that actual location of
Speaker 3: the Southwest, which I think Bunbury is what two hours say,
Speaker 3: it's a fair drive yet so it's not right nearby,
Speaker 3: so it is actually a different location which differentiates the
Speaker 3: team itself. That gives it a location. You still play
Speaker 3: the Derby's or the Derby's in Adoptus and they play
Speaker 3: their other games at hands Over if you read it
Speaker 3: a lot of that or something else, whatever's realistic. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I think that's still the best option because
Speaker 3: there's just so much money there. There's clearly an inbuilt
Speaker 3: massive audience for footy that you can continue to build on.
Speaker 3: I mean, given the waiting lists and things like that
Speaker 3: they have for tickets there, it just makes all the
Speaker 3: sense in the world.
Speaker 2: Nice part of the world, Bumbrey, good place to watch
Speaker 2: the sunset because it's right on the yes right western
Speaker 2: coast of so I have been there before, and it
Speaker 2: is a longer drive from Perth to Bumbrey than it
Speaker 2: needs to drive from Melbourne CBD to Geelong.
Speaker 3: But that's okay, and it's a growing also part of
Speaker 3: the state.
Speaker 2: I believe Jack scrap Opening Round and bring in Northern Round,
Speaker 2: fair or fast.
Speaker 4: I go fair. I'm tended to say fast, but I
Speaker 4: think it's fair. I think that the concept that Brownie
Speaker 4: raised makes heaps of sense.
Speaker 3: On the couch from Monday night, I believe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So scrap Opening Around and instead at maybe
Speaker 4: like around fifteen or sixteen round a band.
Speaker 2: Almost now is time for holiday school holidays, term two
Speaker 2: school holidays.
Speaker 4: Basically, and you can still have those those games hosted
Speaker 4: by those four Northern clubs at this point of the
Speaker 4: year without I guess, compromising the way the latter looks
Speaker 4: in the opening portion of the season and upsetting whoever.
Speaker 4: Because the good point he raised was in comparison to
Speaker 4: Las Vegas and the NRL is that was he called
Speaker 4: it unifying, whereas whereas Opening Around has sort of device horizes. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's been a divisive sort of like I personally liked it,
Speaker 4: like I don't really have an issue with it. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's makes that latter a bit hard to read.
Speaker 3: But you know, surely it's annoying for fantasy as well,
Speaker 3: or you just not play it. I don't know how
Speaker 3: it works.
Speaker 4: Fantasy is annoying enough on sign they're worrying about we're
Speaker 4: worrying about round. But yeah, like I could also, but
Speaker 4: like doing it at this point in the year I
Speaker 4: think makes plenty of sense too, because over two weeks
Speaker 4: makes it. I mean, like five weeks is a drag.
Speaker 3: I think that was the other point was that the
Speaker 3: buys I just stretched out way too long at this
Speaker 3: point over five weeks this season.
Speaker 4: You can see why because I want to have a
Speaker 4: minimum seven games one of the five weeks, so you're
Speaker 4: not missing much footy, which I also can appreciate, and
Speaker 4: like I'm not complaining either, but yeah, if you can
Speaker 4: get it over and done with within a fortnight and
Speaker 4: you can still have that like Northern States Celebration sort
Speaker 4: of time period and you can get fans up and
Speaker 4: about in that part of the country at that at
Speaker 4: this time of the year, then it's a positive.
Speaker 2: Whether I think is normally better if you channel you're
Speaker 2: in a rob Jail.
Speaker 3: There well because comparative to Melbourne, the weather would better,
Speaker 3: which is the important thing for the people who they
Speaker 3: want to get flying up to Queensland. Like Collegood wants
Speaker 3: to sell all its home games to the Gold Coast
Speaker 3: anyway around that time of year, so they always seem
Speaker 3: to play them up there. I think they do on
Speaker 3: a Friday night this year it's Friday. The other point
Speaker 3: on that, the idea that the buys make the season
Speaker 3: drag and we lose the momentum in the season. I
Speaker 3: feel like that would happen anyway. No one's going to
Speaker 3: pay full incredible attention to footy for twenty five weeks.
Speaker 3: It's just unrealistic. So there's always going to be a
Speaker 3: middle dip and then it peaks back up once we
Speaker 3: get closer to the finals.
Speaker 2: So just because we're so accustomed to like a nine
Speaker 2: game round and then once you take a couple of
Speaker 2: games out, that's the sense of losing momentum.
Speaker 3: Does a second Saturday night game really make things that
Speaker 3: more exciting? Is it doing that? Much? Like I understand
Speaker 3: you'll have a few fan bases who dip out for
Speaker 3: a week or two when the teams have a buy,
Speaker 3: but I really don't think. I think that's just a
Speaker 3: natural thing in the dead of winter anyway, that we're
Speaker 3: going to lose a little bit more interest.
Speaker 2: Max Fixing the MRO matrix must be Greg Swan's top priority,
Speaker 2: fair or fast.
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't looked at every priority, but it's certainly
Speaker 3: up there. Wouldn't it be definitely fair? There's there's so
Speaker 3: much you can do to make changes that I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people agree with. There's this perception now
Speaker 3: as well that they're making purely outcome based decisions. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of it is about communication, explaining what
Speaker 3: they're doing, explaining why they're doing it. I know Michael
Speaker 3: Christian does do some radio interviews, usually with Jared Yes,
Speaker 3: but getting out there and explaining what the process is
Speaker 3: would help a little bit in terms of people internalizing
Speaker 3: what the MRO is doing, the narratives that get pushed
Speaker 3: out there. But also just changing it so that there
Speaker 3: are more buttons and switches to pull, hull and push
Speaker 3: and whatever would be really nice because we know that
Speaker 3: Paulka is getting three weeks is going to keep getting
Speaker 3: brought up. It had to be zero or three, and
Speaker 3: we want to have somewhere in the middle that would
Speaker 3: be nice, and changing the rules in some way would
Speaker 3: allow them to do that, although, as I've said before,
Speaker 3: you're just making more gray area so people will complain
Speaker 3: it no matter.
Speaker 2: This has also come about because of the Tom Stewart
Speaker 2: bump on Noah Anderson. If it's a centimeters either side,
Speaker 2: that we're looking at a completely different case here.
Speaker 3: So Jack and I were talking about this on the weekend.
Speaker 3: I believe it was in talking points on the Philosophy website. Yes,
Speaker 3: the problem with this incident is that he didn't do
Speaker 3: anything wrong, and that you felt like he should have
Speaker 3: done something wrong with what he did. It felt because
Speaker 3: it was so close to being such a devastating injury
Speaker 3: slash suspension for a player who has formed in this
Speaker 3: area too. Let's not forget that against Richmond. So was
Speaker 3: that Pristia he hit? Yeah, never Figet of course.
Speaker 2: So fair to say Jack Reebell when we were discussing
Speaker 2: this on Saturday, well, it was quick to remind us
Speaker 2: of the plant. I'd the same question, who did he hit?
Speaker 2: And Jack very quickly deal Presty good Man oil man.
Speaker 2: So it felt like you should have done something wrong.
Speaker 2: The problem is that you can't write the.
Speaker 3: Rules to make that exact thing that he did illegal,
Speaker 3: but you just you need to disincentivize it as much
Speaker 3: as possible. Theoretically, having already copped a massive suspension for
Speaker 3: doing a very similar thing, would disincentivize him from trying
Speaker 3: to bump someone near the ball, but a little bit
Speaker 3: off it. I don't know. It's a very want to
Speaker 3: actually monitor.
Speaker 4: Isn't it that incident itself? I can't remember an incident
Speaker 4: where something so different could have happened despite the fact
Speaker 4: that it was a fair hit. The initial hit is fair.
Speaker 4: If the whiplash effective Anderson's head hitting the ground results
Speaker 4: in a concussion, is Stuart then liable for a three
Speaker 4: week ban?
Speaker 2: I think it all comes back to is the act
Speaker 2: itself a reportable incident?
Speaker 3: So that's what That was my point that we were
Speaker 3: discussing this.
Speaker 4: We competed it to Meek.
Speaker 3: Yes, load Meet got off because he was still contesting
Speaker 3: the ball, and even though he caused a concussion with
Speaker 3: his action, he was still doing a non reportable.
Speaker 2: And Stewart did look like he went past the ball.
Speaker 4: Like the ball is in a proximity, but they are
Speaker 4: not directly contesting the ball like Meek was, which I
Speaker 4: think is different because obviously, like you said, Max, people
Speaker 4: are talking about al chemo reaction. But we make that
Speaker 4: incident is the precedent that you can have a concussion
Speaker 4: happen as a result of a football accident, if you
Speaker 4: want to call it that.
Speaker 3: Which is good, which is what people have been asking
Speaker 3: for several years now. So we've come to that point
Speaker 3: where we have got that president Now, I feel like.
Speaker 4: Because Stewart is not directing contesting the ball, if that hit,
Speaker 4: despite it being fair, causes a concussion because of the
Speaker 4: whiplash effect, then I tend to think he might have
Speaker 4: copped a ban, which I just think is And the
Speaker 4: thing that Key makes clear last Saturday is the fact
Speaker 4: that we can't as observers of the game distinguished between
Speaker 4: whether something black and white is going to be reported
Speaker 4: or not. I think that is the biggest.
Speaker 2: Issue because to see a clean bump, and it ultimately
Speaker 2: was a clean bump, and then so to see a
Speaker 2: clean bump like that is actually almost jarring these days.
Speaker 2: Can you think of the last clean hip and shoulder
Speaker 2: between that one and maybe Sydney Stack on Jack Viney
Speaker 2: in that Anzac Eve game a few years ago. I
Speaker 2: can't think of a like a clean hip and shoulder
Speaker 2: that was not that celebrated.
Speaker 3: No, it's it did feel out of place, and I
Speaker 3: think that's what made it more of a reaction, a
Speaker 3: gutraw reaction.
Speaker 2: Because what because normally these days the bumps go wrong. Yes,
Speaker 2: more bumps that go there's way more bumps that go
Speaker 2: wrong than than a perfectly done or.
Speaker 3: We certainly paid more attention to them because they went wrong.
Speaker 2: That's right, and Jack coss I pick it's likely call
Speaker 2: to sign a twelve point five million dollar Demon's contract
Speaker 2: extension is a wild trade script flip fair.
Speaker 4: Or fast oh fair, one hundred percent fair if he
Speaker 4: signs this, because I mean it really did. I mean
Speaker 4: it was definitely trending in the direction of him leaving
Speaker 4: at the end of this year.
Speaker 3: Everyone in the no seemed to think he was going
Speaker 3: to Freo.
Speaker 4: And I just wonder whether Melbourne have just come to
Speaker 4: the table with the money, because one point four a
Speaker 4: year is an incredible amount, and I think it's really
Speaker 4: interesting when you consider the fact that Nosiah could maybe
Speaker 4: get one point two tops sort of thing. And it's
Speaker 4: a different discussion around because there's such.
Speaker 2: Different players I'd pay more for than Nasi Wang.
Speaker 4: And I think that's an interesting discussion, like because you
Speaker 4: like these center forward players that he talks about, but
Speaker 4: then they also talk about these damaging halfbacks who sort
Speaker 4: of do whatever they want underposed, but other reasons why
Speaker 4: you get, you know, attacking chains from the back half.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just think it's really interesting. I think
Speaker 4: one point for is a lot.
Speaker 3: It is, but that is like changing money and convincing
Speaker 3: money the Freemantle surely can't pay because.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, do we think he was
Speaker 4: going to get anywhere near that at Fremantle?
Speaker 3: I think you'd be giving up what at least two
Speaker 3: or three hundred thousand a year, which over a decade
Speaker 3: is what two or three milion.
Speaker 2: The Dogs have got a lot of guys on long
Speaker 2: term contract extensions in the past couple of years as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would that would have to play a role
Speaker 3: in that. So that if it's if it's a money thing,
Speaker 3: I mean we can accept that. It's funny how if
Speaker 3: it was a money thing and he left everyone up
Speaker 3: in arms, But if it's the money thing in these days,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh good, loyalty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just one. I hadn't put in Faro fast, but
Speaker 2: I think probably worth discussing is we're talking about Nasaia
Speaker 2: Wang and a Miller. Just then and now, there was
Speaker 2: a report from Caroline Wilson on Monday night that the
Speaker 2: Taylor Walker incident that saw him cop a six game
Speaker 2: ban in twenty twenty one for racially abusing a sample player,
Speaker 2: Robbi Young, Robbie Young, is partially why Nasaiah won't entertain
Speaker 2: going to the Adelaide Crows very very quickly. His manager
Speaker 2: came out and denied it. Taylor Walker clear called his
Speaker 2: manager to gain further understanding, which Walker then revealed on
Speaker 2: radio on Tuesday morning, and then on Tuesday night it's
Speaker 2: a Walker called Wang Oh, call call, and either way
Speaker 2: that the two have had a conversation of direct conversation
Speaker 2: to try and clear the air here. Caro still one
Speaker 2: hundred percent stands by her story as well, accused the manager,
Speaker 2: Ben Williams, of not knowing his client or not knowing,
Speaker 2: not knowing his klin, not knowing truly what wangone Miller
Speaker 2: thinks of that of this situation, it's a bizarre situation
Speaker 2: where that a report that polarizes fans, turns fans against
Speaker 2: the media, no doubt.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I think Caroline Wilson has such a strong, long track
Speaker 3: record that I am sure that there is some kernel
Speaker 3: of truth to the broadness of her report, which was,
Speaker 3: to be fair, the tweet that everyone saw simplified it.
Speaker 3: The story that she gave was that one of the
Speaker 3: reasons he doesn't want to go to the Crows, and
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone expected Wangana Miller to be picking
Speaker 3: the Crows anyway. It seems like it's between Port Adelaide
Speaker 3: and Kilda. He's got much stronger ties to Port. One
Speaker 3: of the reasons was that during the gather Around special
Speaker 3: that was on nine, Eddie Maguire talked to Text about
Speaker 3: the racism incident and the framing of it came out
Speaker 3: with him looking like the victim of Text being oh,
Speaker 3: you went through this, even though it's something that he
Speaker 3: actively did. And it is entirely realistic to me that
Speaker 3: Wangane Miller I was talking to fellow indigenous men about
Speaker 3: this and thought, geez, that's a bit rough, isn't it.
Speaker 3: That's a bit that's not great. Don't agree with that.
Speaker 3: That's a very realistic opinion. To have, because that's the
Speaker 3: opinion I would have had while looking at that as well.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would have had that. So,
Speaker 3: if that conversation was had between Wangane Miller and other people,
Speaker 3: and Caroline Wilson got wind of that, which it sounds
Speaker 3: like the way that she would get that type of story,
Speaker 3: that's realistic to me. Does it mean that it's the
Speaker 3: reason he's not going to the Crows? No, does it
Speaker 3: mean it's some reason that he has less interest in
Speaker 3: going to the Crows? Entirely possible. But managers and players
Speaker 3: coming out and denying a story also does not mean
Speaker 3: it's not true that this is always The default position
Speaker 3: is that someone said journalists report the story, it's denied
Speaker 3: by a club, a player, a manager, whoever, and everyone says, oh,
Speaker 3: the journalists must have been lying. Journalists, in not to
Speaker 3: nine point n nine percent of chances circumstances, they're not lying.
Speaker 3: They may have been given wrong information or been talking
Speaker 3: to one person who had the wrong information and such
Speaker 3: and such, but they don't lie. So there could also
Speaker 3: be different circumstances, different views of incidents that make things
Speaker 3: more complicated than this. It's just because of the glaring
Speaker 3: nature of this report. It sounds so big and crazy
Speaker 3: that everyone goes, well, it must be false.
Speaker 2: And it prompted Ben Williams to get on the front foot,
Speaker 2: and it prompted Taylor Walker to reach out to the
Speaker 2: manager as well.
Speaker 3: And to be fair with Ben Williams's statement that he
Speaker 3: put out on Monday, I think sam had been reported
Speaker 3: at first was that my client has not chosen the
Speaker 3: Adelaide Crows. He has not rejected playing for the Adelaide
Speaker 3: Crows because of the text Walker thing, which I read
Speaker 3: as he's keeping Adelaide in the mix because it makes
Speaker 3: his options broader. So it wasn't a I understand that
Speaker 3: part of the story is also being denied, but that
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that there is not a kernel of truth
Speaker 3: in there somewhere. Even if it was reported and made
Speaker 3: into a bigger thing than it needed to be.
Speaker 2: He's going to be and he's still very much in demanded.
Speaker 2: The Crows have had a long term offer on the
Speaker 2: table for a while, but our colleague Will Faulkner has
Speaker 2: been pretty big on the relate on as you mentioned, MAXI,
Speaker 2: the closeness that Wangone Miller has to put Adelaide in
Speaker 2: terms of the ties there a couple of good mates.
Speaker 2: His uncle is Gavin Wanganaan, who's a premiership player put
Speaker 2: Adelaide but a legend of that club. As well the
Speaker 2: fact that he still hasn't re signed it Sin Kilda
Speaker 2: at this stage. I know that there has been some
Speaker 2: players in recent years Jack that have have decided late
Speaker 2: to resign with their club, but usually certainly more than
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the time you leave a decision this lake,
Speaker 2: you're normally not staying at your initial club.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think someone obviously Nasaiah's got connections and he
Speaker 4: met with jas Bergoyn and Jason on Francis already in
Speaker 4: his by week. I think it would be a you know,
Speaker 4: obviously two straight years where the Saints have copped pre
Speaker 4: devastating blows in terms of key players choosing to.
Speaker 2: Go elsewhere battle going to the Hawks.
Speaker 4: But I think it's also really telling that it's either
Speaker 4: going to be you know, back home, or he's going
Speaker 4: to stay at San Kilda. It won't be like he's
Speaker 4: going to leave to go to another Victorian club. So
Speaker 4: I think it's clearly clearly pull to stay at Saint Kilda.
Speaker 4: But yeah, if if I do. Guess right now, it
Speaker 4: would seem like port Adelaide, But Adelaide in terms of
Speaker 4: their direction is bloody tempting as well. I would think.
Speaker 2: Is there a situation here where wagon a Miller leaves
Speaker 2: Saint Kilda and sin Kilda doesn't get Tom to coning?
Speaker 3: Certainly? Is certainly?
Speaker 2: Is there a bit of a leaning towards Tom to
Speaker 2: Coney staying at Carlton Now?
Speaker 3: I think it's very hard to tell. Carlton's playing a
Speaker 3: bit better. I guess maybe that helps, but he'd have
Speaker 3: to give it quite a lot of money, like four
Speaker 3: or five million to do it, which is a lot
Speaker 3: of money to play for Carlton.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Baggers. That is a long edition of Fair
Speaker 2: or Fast And it's now time for this on the.
Speaker 1: Fox Woody podcast. It's time to open up the mail bag.
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel tweet us every Monday
Speaker 1: morning at Fox Footy mail Bag.
Speaker 3: I think the problem is, so we did the mail
Speaker 3: bag tweet last week, didn't do a show, and then
Speaker 3: everyone's like, oh, well, maybe they won't be a show
Speaker 3: this week. So only a few entries into the mail
Speaker 3: bag this week.
Speaker 2: And he left overs from last week that we can
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I should have done that, but I didn't. That's right,
Speaker 3: because I'm very responsible. So let's just read one question
Speaker 3: from Ben not you, Ben right, who asks why do
Speaker 3: the coaches never see an incident in which their player
Speaker 3: is likely in trouble? I Eate Sam Durham, but have
Speaker 3: seen every angle and analyzed it when they are not
Speaker 3: I E. Stewart.
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair question, to be honest.
Speaker 3: You're not suggesting a level of citicism there are you Ben,
Speaker 3: that coaches are saying how much they've seen to suit
Speaker 3: their circumstance.
Speaker 2: So coaches would be my hunt. I don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of intimate detail and knowledge about this, but my
Speaker 2: absolute hunchies and Jack can probably talk to it as well,
Speaker 2: because he tens press conferences, like normally every club has
Speaker 2: two to three men managers at every game, and that
Speaker 2: those media managers would be monitoring what some of the
Speaker 2: big talking points are at the time and what could
Speaker 2: lead to questions at a press conference. And there's no
Speaker 2: doubt but even if a coach does miss an incident,
Speaker 2: that that would be at least briefed two coaches beforehand, surely,
Speaker 2: So I just think they're trying to avoid giving maybe
Speaker 2: avoid giving an opinion on it, but I think more
Speaker 2: importantly giving an opinion that might get them into some
Speaker 2: kind of trouble.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in the past, I think coaches, you know,
Speaker 3: you might defend your player, but you might also be
Speaker 3: attacking the matter review or the umpires for the decision
Speaker 3: in the first place, and that can get you into trouble.
Speaker 3: So that's something that's best avoided. That's why most of
Speaker 3: the time they do say I haven't seen it, because
Speaker 3: that's basically them saying no comment. Isn't it?
Speaker 4: Yeah it is. And one of the funny things that
Speaker 4: happened out of the Hawthorne Bulldogs game was the Jack
Speaker 4: Genevan sort of want thing. It's the ball, And I
Speaker 4: think part of his whole thing is that I asked
Speaker 4: Mitchell after after the game and he said he didn't
Speaker 4: see it, like jokingly, right, as if to joke on
Speaker 4: the fact that coaches always say, oh, I haven't seen
Speaker 4: it sort of thing like, and then he laughs because
Speaker 4: then everyone lasts because obviously has seen it. And then
Speaker 4: someone running as Hill fall up later and he didn't
Speaker 4: want to answer, was just like nah, Like he's like,
Speaker 4: do you want to answer?
Speaker 2: It no.
Speaker 4: So obviously these coaches, when their players and the wrong
Speaker 4: don't really want to give much of a much of
Speaker 4: an answer and opinion, which I can completely understand, and
Speaker 4: they did. They one hundred percent get briefed.
Speaker 3: They're playing the game, they're playing the media. They know
Speaker 3: what they're doing.
Speaker 4: I mean you see the media managers in the in
Speaker 4: the actual press box, and then you know they're listening
Speaker 4: to the radio, they're watching you know, the KO feed
Speaker 4: or whatever, and they hear all the commentary.
Speaker 2: So I've seen them making notes what quarter one, quarter, two, quarter,
Speaker 2: three quarters four, potential talking points.
Speaker 3: Doing their job. Thanks Ben, Thanks for everyone who wrote
Speaker 3: in this week. My dad also sent in a photo
Speaker 3: of me as a child wearing a Fox Footy channel hat,
Speaker 3: but it got automatically hidden by the Fox Footy account,
Speaker 3: which automatically hides tweets brutal, so that a cute photo
Speaker 3: of me. I was ten, I was in Fiji. It
Speaker 3: was a nice holiday from memory if you were wondering.
Speaker 3: By the way, if you do tweet it and get
Speaker 3: hidden as a reply by the Fox Footy account, it
Speaker 3: was a bot. It's not us. We know it's over
Speaker 3: active and does probably more than it should. But it's
Speaker 3: one of the necessary evils of social media, because that
Speaker 3: itself is unfortunately a necessary evil.
Speaker 2: Now Kevin's back.
Speaker 3: Cheety. He has a lot of things to say. Does
Speaker 3: Kevin and I think, in honor of a big break
Speaker 3: between our last stint of sheety wisdom, we deserve a
Speaker 3: big dose dose Kevin Sheedy, who of course wrote the
Speaker 3: book Pockets of Greatness with Tom Pryor in the year
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, and then I read it out on
Speaker 3: this podcast for comedic value. Kevin says, last Christmas, I
Speaker 3: sat down and read about the Persians. The Christmas before that,
Speaker 3: it was about the Greeks. I like to read a
Speaker 3: book of history when I have the time. It clears
Speaker 3: the mind and it gives you a feel. I realized
Speaker 3: that often I'm only showing one person's opinions, but it
Speaker 3: still gives you a fear. Look at the map of
Speaker 3: the world today and there's no Persia. It's not there.
Speaker 3: It's not a country anymore. What happened? Sure, it's an
Speaker 3: approximately the same place on the map as Iran, But
Speaker 3: what happened? I don't know where? Can I find out?
Speaker 3: What's the bedding? Where called Australasia one day. Some people
Speaker 3: may say you're daydreaming, but it gives you a system
Speaker 3: basis for thought. That's how they brought in the House
Speaker 3: of Lords and the aristocracy in England. It's probably the
Speaker 3: reason that we have mayors another local government officials today.
Speaker 3: Somebody powerful dream them originally, and we'll have them until
Speaker 3: someone dreams up something better. I wonder how Princess die
Speaker 3: and Prince Charles would have gone in Henry the eighth time.
Speaker 3: Didn't he jump off.
Speaker 2: A few heads. It's brilliant when you when you said,
Speaker 2: when you look at the world today or the map
Speaker 2: of the world today. I thought he was going to
Speaker 2: say something very controversial.
Speaker 3: I make sure to avoid anything particularly controversial go.
Speaker 2: Down that path as well. Oh good to know that
Speaker 2: Kevin back in nineteen ninety six was had a time
Speaker 2: for DNM and his own thoughts with some history books.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you could look up what happened to Persia.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure there are.
Speaker 2: Some books, maybe ninety six.
Speaker 3: It would they had books in nineteen ninety six, as
Speaker 3: shown by the book.
Speaker 4: Like you said, he only reads one person's opinions, got
Speaker 4: a different points, but the tangency goes off on like
Speaker 4: from to thing.
Speaker 3: At the best part of it, that was all. That
Speaker 3: was all just in a row. No, I didn't edit
Speaker 3: that at all. Just consistent, just like a continuous, just
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame legend. That's what he is.
Speaker 2: Were you were you born in ninety ninety six, Jack, No, No,
Speaker 2: No good afternoon or evening or morning to Why would
Speaker 2: you want it to just making me feel old? What
Speaker 2: do you do, Max, I'm in the same ballpark as.
Speaker 3: You want to. You want to feel old because he
Speaker 3: picket when that contract ends, if he signs it, I'll
Speaker 3: be forty two.
Speaker 2: Didn't she didn't you point out that it was after that.
Speaker 2: It's going to be two years after the Brisbanel I know.
Speaker 3: That stadium will have been used actually built for a start.
Speaker 4: God too soon, Sint kild On.
Speaker 2: The Bulldogs kick off this round for the Shane Burst Cup.
Speaker 3: So as I said, I think there are five pretty
Speaker 3: comfortable tips this round and two tricky ones. This is
Speaker 3: one of the comfortable ones. I'll be tipping the.
Speaker 2: Bulldogs all the Bulldogs.
Speaker 3: I mean, they did beat them by a million points
Speaker 3: eight weeks ago.
Speaker 2: They did.
Speaker 3: And Sam Darcy is back in time to face to
Speaker 3: them in the modest st kiled a thing possile. You
Speaker 3: think he's got a season ending injury. No, he's back
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 2: You again the Saints quote retweeted Zeta today, Who's Zeta
Speaker 2: confirming that Sam Darcy's back, and Celta said, of course
Speaker 2: he is. They know Jack who wins Dogs? Hawthorne and
Speaker 2: adelaide u test stadium Friday night games. Ricky Henderson Cup
Speaker 2: up for great.
Speaker 3: See this is proof the Devils don't need a new stadium.
Speaker 3: You can have Friday night games at you task in Lonceston,
Speaker 3: and I think this is one of the two tough ones.
Speaker 3: I'm leaning Hawks because of the home ground advantage, but
Speaker 3: that's the only reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the same. I just can't imagine them losing there.
Speaker 3: They bet the Giants there earlier this season in a
Speaker 3: pretty good game they and they were genuinely impressive against
Speaker 3: the Dogs. Like he said that that game was about more.
Speaker 3: The Dogs played poorly, but the Hawks really lifted their level,
Speaker 3: brought that pressure. If they do that again they should win.
Speaker 4: And think it's a bit of a turning point.
Speaker 2: Last week just going to look at your park here,
Speaker 2: how many Friday night games to see to be the
Speaker 2: very first Friday night game at York Park.
Speaker 3: But I bet it's also had like a probably a
Speaker 3: Tuesday afternoon game in COVID.
Speaker 2: I'd had a well, it's obviously back in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two we had that random Anzac Day game between Hawthorne
Speaker 2: and Sydney that started at twelve thirty during the day.
Speaker 3: Of course, why wouldn't you It also hosted Did that
Speaker 3: hosts the final between the Dogs and the Bombers or
Speaker 3: was that in Hobart that was there was? Yeah, Giant
Speaker 3: Giants Swans also played a final there the Giants pipping.
Speaker 3: This one's from memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to have a look. I was just
Speaker 2: looking at the Hawthorne games. Certainly Hawthorne's first of a
Speaker 2: Friday night game at York Bark. I highly doubt there
Speaker 2: would have been a Friday night game at York Park.
Speaker 3: Besides that, to be fair, incredible fixturing. It is the
Speaker 3: best game of this weekend.
Speaker 4: And they've had their they've had their lighting issues in
Speaker 4: the past, so let's just get it.
Speaker 3: Didn't we have to move a game because it was
Speaker 3: going to be one of the lights wasn't working and
Speaker 3: we were worried about the power going out.
Speaker 2: And do vaguely remember that the lines and the Giants
Speaker 2: Jake Barrett Cup up for grabs here.
Speaker 3: Yes, Brisbane again. They just haven't been great at home
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: Giants beat did the Giants beat them the corresponding game
Speaker 2: last year?
Speaker 3: But that that was like they kicked like twelve goals
Speaker 3: two to seven goals sixty eight.
Speaker 2: Slick performance, stupid lines.
Speaker 4: But this is one of the games Jennibebis could pull out,
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, and also one of the very rare
Speaker 4: early afternoon starts at the cover.
Speaker 2: Yes, I suppose you can't afford to do that in
Speaker 2: the middle of June, though, correct in March in Geelong?
Speaker 2: Is he still the country? Is he still the Country Game?
Speaker 3: I hope so, because that is my favorite fake game
Speaker 3: that no one believes in.
Speaker 2: Glen kill Patrick Cup up for grabs Also it's the
Speaker 2: country game. But also with Sandy Roberts used to call
Speaker 2: it farm Day.
Speaker 3: Actually Kevin Sheedy invented the country game. We should be
Speaker 3: more positive about it, we should. I went, that's one
Speaker 3: of the few games I've ever covered at the ground
Speaker 3: because I don't usually do that. It was a it
Speaker 3: was a farm day, Farm Day, I remember walking through
Speaker 3: Yarra Park hay Bales and like a tractor for kids
Speaker 3: to stand. Toby would have loved that.
Speaker 2: Would Yeah, he actually would have the excavators there will
Speaker 2: be there.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Geelong Essendon have a thirty three percent winning
Speaker 4: percentage at the MCG since twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: It's not great, no thanks Jack, will Thork and German.
Speaker 2: I think they have a lower percentage against Gelong.
Speaker 3: To be fair, I walked to.
Speaker 2: Walk run North Melbourne and Fremantle North Melbourne home game
Speaker 2: at Opta Stadium, just Sinclear Cup up for grabs.
Speaker 3: This is already completely acceptable that they sold the two
Speaker 3: home games w A because they won one of them. Yes,
Speaker 3: they got over the line against West Coast. Just it
Speaker 3: means it's not a complete failure. They got their money,
Speaker 3: they got some points. They're gonna get pumped either way, surely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good result. He for Freo to get the
Speaker 2: ruse in w A, but they get an opt the
Speaker 2: stadium rather than in Bunbury.
Speaker 3: This is the month where they need to make their
Speaker 3: movie Dons and Saints and then Sydney Away, which is
Speaker 3: winnable as well. They probably should have won it last year.
Speaker 3: I did win last year because of Logan McDonald missing
Speaker 3: after the siren.
Speaker 4: They did so a winn ten and five at the bye.
Speaker 3: Yep, not bad.
Speaker 2: Port Adelaide and Melbourne dom Barry Cup.
Speaker 3: This is the other tough one. Jimmy Thompas surely.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Thomp's Jack Watts, Jack Tringove, Ben Newton. Rather fantastic
Speaker 2: contenders there.
Speaker 3: Just off the top of the dome, all of that.
Speaker 2: It's incredible research.
Speaker 3: In pleasant again, very tough tip. I'm going to go
Speaker 3: with the home team and Port Adelaide just because of
Speaker 3: the homegrown advantage.
Speaker 4: I say Melbourne very reasonable.
Speaker 3: They play pretty well in Adelaide, don't They had some
Speaker 3: good wins there.
Speaker 2: In Adelaide earlier this year gather Around they lost to Sorry,
Speaker 2: take that back year before they take that year before
Speaker 2: they went to gather Aroun, didn't they.
Speaker 4: They did the beat in this fixture last year or
Speaker 4: the year before.
Speaker 3: It sounds all right.
Speaker 2: The Eagles and the Blues finished the round. Callum Chambers
Speaker 2: Cup up for grab, Sam Petreski seating very stiff.
Speaker 4: Matt Owis can't play for your own cup.
Speaker 2: Don't be ridiculous, of course, you fool.
Speaker 3: Uh West Coast have shown some real signs over the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, like took it to Geelong for
Speaker 3: three quarters, should have thumped North for three quarters. They
Speaker 3: can figure out their fourths, they might be a good team.
Speaker 2: I think, what, Yeah, you're a big Andrew mcquarter fan.
Speaker 2: I think where pundits are starting to see the mcquarter
Speaker 2: system yep coming through went out during Adam Simpson's last year.
Speaker 2: I think punets we strugging the c A system. But
Speaker 2: it feels like in the past month it's starting to
Speaker 2: click for this young Eagle side.
Speaker 3: They'll get reads on the tip Carlton because they just
Speaker 3: have to win. Oh, I have to win, but it
Speaker 3: would be the most Carleton thing ever. Sunday Night game too,
Speaker 3: another Sunday Night, but no Bounce in between games this
Speaker 3: week it's a six to ten star no yes, disappointing
Speaker 3: for Bounce fans. All the kiddies left to stay up
Speaker 3: to nine. Enjoy that you enjoy that? I do. I
Speaker 3: love the Fox Footy program Bounce. And Andrew gays he
Speaker 3: reads the latter and then he says, ah, no no
Speaker 3: check chief, no check chief, nah Chief.
Speaker 2: It's good jack who wins between West Coast and calors
Speaker 2: on Carlton Carlton Baggers need to win otherwise be top
Speaker 2: of the agenda on the Fox Footy podcast next week potentially.
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