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Speaker 1: The big Footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We've hit the cold depths of winter and this is

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Speaker 2: when the pretenders and contenders are truly separated. It's why

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Speaker 2: the all important power rankings are so crucial at this

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Speaker 2: time of the year as we attempt to get a

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Speaker 2: firm grasp of those premiership contention trends. Will go through

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Speaker 2: the eighteen team rankings, dissect all the big issues in

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Speaker 2: fair or fast, and there's a lot of them. This

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Speaker 2: week the Mailbag, the wisdom of Kevin Sheedy, the expert tips,

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Speaker 2: and a lot more. On the Fox Footy Podcast, Ben

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Speaker 2: Waterworth with you as is Crow's Comma belivea Max Law.

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Speaker 2: Hello MAXI.

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Speaker 3: They won a close game and used up all of

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Speaker 3: their terrible, terrible losses in the space of about twelve

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Speaker 3: minutess what an incredible Friday night.

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Speaker 2: That was close losses over how many forever about.

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Speaker 3: Seven dec I think somehow it's quite impressive.

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Speaker 2: It was a very good effort from the Crows. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about that very shortly. Also joining us is our

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Speaker 2: hard working night our a bit flat after the Tigers

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Speaker 2: disappointment from Saturday. Jack Jovanovski Hello, JJ.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Well, it's good to be back. It wasn't It

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Speaker 4: wasn't pleasant viewing on.

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Speaker 3: On Saturday, though first quarter was okay.

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Speaker 4: It was promising, too promising. It builds up the expectation.

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Speaker 2: It's quite some thing to be in the office when

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Speaker 2: you get when Jack's doing Richmond team tips and he

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Speaker 2: particularly and he confidently.

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Speaker 3: Nail it every week. Who's coming in and out of

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Speaker 3: the side.

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Speaker 2: It's not Richmond enough because of course he's a very

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Speaker 2: good objective reporter. Well, but no, his knowledge of some

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Speaker 2: very fringe Richmond plays he is quite astounding.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean i'd like to think that I get

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Speaker 4: close sometimes. I mean there are a few.

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Speaker 3: Did you not get the exact four ins and outs

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Speaker 4: I did, and I let everyone know about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't sound like you're being because I brought

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Speaker 3: it up this time. So it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Just apologies for no record last week and this delayed drop.

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Speaker 2: I was sick last week and then we initially we

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Speaker 2: had a sort of replacement team ready to go. Sea

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Speaker 2: was also ready to host.

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Speaker 3: Apparently Zita has quit on us like three times in

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Speaker 3: a row. Let's be honest here. Look, I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: that he needs to be dropped for team morale reasons,

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Speaker 3: just permanently to the reserves, but I think it's a consideration.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. We're here and we're recording, and that's the most

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Speaker 2: important thing. Just a quick word on the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame last night, I can't remember in probably since working here,

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Speaker 2: just a such an emotional is not the right word,

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Speaker 2: but there was just so much content, I suppose in

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Speaker 2: last night in terms of the wonderful storylines of Aaron

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Speaker 2: Phillips and Daisy Pierced getting in in the same class,

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Speaker 2: and of course that beautiful moment where Aaron paid tribute

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Speaker 2: of Fame as well, So that was that was fantastic,

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Speaker 2: The absolute sportsman's like speech from Peter Daly, who was

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Speaker 2: clearly the most in demand person post event, and Gary

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Speaker 2: was just Gary, like he just totally own the room,

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Speaker 2: like it was his own sportsman night. But we sort

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Speaker 2: of got the rollercoaster of emotions there.

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Speaker 3: It was a fantastic knight, and so the Peter Daly

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Speaker 3: really heard of him. To be honest, I'm not a

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Speaker 3: a lot of it. But that's why ideally you induct

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Speaker 3: these older players when they have the chance to be

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Speaker 3: these incredible lines. Jerry did a fantastic job interviewing them.

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Speaker 3: He always does and gets the best out of them.

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Speaker 3: It's a fantastic night and you can understand why so

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Speaker 3: many of the people who are involved always say it's

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Speaker 2: Nick Revolt and Luke Coodge also inducted as well. Revolt well,

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Speaker 2: it was of eligible a couple of years ago, but

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Speaker 2: was in person, yes this time. And of course Luke

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Speaker 2: Codge the fresh guy into the Hall of Fame. But

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Speaker 2: who's Adelaide over Brisbane, Brisbane over at Brisbane over Adelaide

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Speaker 2: despite the result on the weekend, but so did we

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Speaker 2: learn do we learn much about either team in from

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Speaker 2: that result?

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Speaker 3: So I thought what Matthew Nick said after that game

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Speaker 3: birth perfectly, but I think it was also an incredibly

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Speaker 3: honest admission that we were lucky because we deserve some luck,

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Speaker 3: we will do some luck, and therefore we can't go

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Speaker 3: out of this night saying oh yeah, we're totally fine.

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Speaker 3: We're a contender now. Like the simplified narrative is okay,

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Speaker 3: they beat the Braining Premiere is great, win Adelaide's finally

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Speaker 3: for real, But you know there was some fortune in it. Yes,

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Speaker 3: a goal on the fourth quarter, But clearly Brisbane had

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Speaker 2: And I think Chris Fagan, as respectfully as he possibly

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you said we should have won. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 3: which I think is totally fair. So if anything, I

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Speaker 3: who I was worried about because they hadn't had that

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Speaker 3: week before was less than impressive. But no, they showed

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Speaker 2: Yea, if the Crows win, are sorry. If the Lions win.

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Speaker 2: The disposal camp by seventy two, jack clearances by nearly twenty,

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Speaker 2: contestable by nearly thirteen by thirteen, inside fifties by thirteen,

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Speaker 4: I think there's there's a lot of good in that.

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Speaker 4: But then also Max, I would ask you, are you

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Speaker 4: Kingy's and these kinds of people will question the Danaher

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's actual thing I think looking I think

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Speaker 3: it was on first crack they showed that last year

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Speaker 3: that's a genuine drop off, and logically Danaher's absence as

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Speaker 3: They have got a hard run home, so some tough

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Speaker 3: is fixable because you can just have sometimes a very

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Speaker 3: So it's not the most devastating one, but it's a

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Speaker 3: concern in the same way that I've been concerned about

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Speaker 3: the lines for a little while. The percentage is still

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Speaker 3: few teams have had some troubles, but it's certainly the

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Speaker 2: So two teams who are not in there are Hawthorne

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Speaker 2: and the Bulldogs who played as we record six six

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Speaker 2: days ago, long time ago. Was this a flinch reaction though,

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Speaker 2: Maxie Hawthorne went from seventh to fifth and the Dog

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Speaker 3: No, So, as I've talked about the big Bulldogs believe,

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Speaker 3: I'm the world's biggest Bulldogs believer the BBB.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's be cute.

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Speaker 3: They have done quite a lot right this season, but

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Speaker 3: not beating good teams is a problem. Being one and

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Speaker 3: six against the top nine it means something. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: It's gonna hurt them on the ladder, like there are

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Speaker 2: On history the Sorry Jack they play and kild Her

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night the Bulldogs. You're at the game for

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Speaker 2: Hawthorne Dogs as well. Did you come away from that

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think it said more about

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Speaker 4: I think it's interesting because we hear about Bevo and

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Speaker 4: and I think it's interesting with Sam Darcy to come

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Speaker 4: consider moving Aaron Norton back to defense, because if there

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Speaker 4: are issues in key defense and someone like Norton, who

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Speaker 2: Out key defender is a junior come right.

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Speaker 4: Through Sam Darcy's back He's going to be the focal

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Speaker 4: and again King's being honest. This is like the big

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Speaker 4: we never see it.

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Speaker 3: We talked about it for years. Basically, I feel like

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Speaker 3: when they've had their issues last year, they fixed it

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Speaker 3: by moving Rory Lob back, and Lob has had an

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Speaker 3: okay year, but not the year that he had in

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Speaker 4: And he's had to move Lob foward during games in

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Speaker 4: the second half to just to get some scoring impact

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Speaker 4: because we're still not getting it from Norton, and I

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Speaker 4: think Norton being a non factor last Days and Night

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Speaker 4: was a big part of why they lost. So it's

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Speaker 4: just something I wonder about.

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Speaker 3: I think it's their scoring has not been a problem

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Speaker 3: the main thing they need to fix. If you want

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he's being stubborn about it, but

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Speaker 4: Again, that was their lowest score of the year as well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I was one of them to tip the Giants

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Speaker 4: The interesting thing about them, I think is Adam Kingsley

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Speaker 4: But they haven't looked dangerous in the last six weeks,

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Speaker 2: Half from a just under the job. To the power rankings,

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Speaker 3: I don't think Melbourn's going to make the eight. I

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Speaker 3: They've won five of their last eight and they should

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Speaker 3: thesecents happened point game, and then the Saint Kilda game

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Speaker 3: They are in it completely at three quarter time.

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Speaker 2: It's the fourth quarter blowout.

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Speaker 3: So they've had a really good eight weeks, are really

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Speaker 2: I've got to here Port Adelaide. They play in Adelaide

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Speaker 3: Two really tough games to tip this week too one.

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Speaker 2: Then a couple of tough ones Gold Coast in Gold

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Speaker 3: Yes, no, so that's the problem. They've got a lot

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Speaker 2: With you say they were playing Melbourne, Yeah, no, No, they're

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Speaker 3: And they've also got the drawer to do it. I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So their next five weeks, so they've got

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Speaker 3: And then they've got some more winnable ones after.

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Speaker 2: That Melbourn, Hawthorne, Fremantle, Gold Coast, Port Adelaide, Essendon.

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Speaker 2: And two brave performances from Essen in the last couple

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Speaker 3: Well, Port Adelaid did win, so I did to move

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Speaker 3: Their midfield has had some really good periods in both

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Speaker 3: it's a year of not contending. We know that's sort

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Speaker 3: nothing the Bombers in the trade period and the off season,

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Speaker 2: So you do love the Bulldogs? That is very true.

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Speaker 2: Hey Jack, did you enjoy helping cover the West Coast v.

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Speaker 2: North Melbourne Sunday?

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Speaker 4: It was a great watch, really good watch. I actually

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Speaker 4: felt because I really like Andrew mcqualter, and I felt

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Speaker 2: Classic bottom three game, wasn't it?

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Speaker 3: It was like they realized they weren't playing at an AFL ground,

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Speaker 2: Will hold your fire on the south West, will save

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Speaker 1: Now on the Fox Foody podcast, another strong edition of

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Speaker 1: Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

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Speaker 2: Big edition of Fair or Fast Strong Melbourne theme off

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Speaker 2: the top, oh bias Max Max Gorn biting back at

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Speaker 2: Stephen May was a tipping point for him after publicly

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Speaker 2: carrying his club for many years.

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Speaker 3: Fair or Fast tipping point for Max Horn. Yes, No,

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Speaker 3: I think that's a fast. I think this was just

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Speaker 3: sort of relatively healthy player behavior between two veterans of

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Speaker 2: Don't often see a captain push a teammate though.

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Speaker 3: No, I can understand being frustrated in that moment, and

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Speaker 3: I think I could also understand getting frustrated with Stephen May.

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Speaker 3: End of sentence. He could be a difficult teammate at times,

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Speaker 3: I imagine based on what we've seen of him. So

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Speaker 3: it's look, these things happen. It played in a very

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Speaker 2: And also the fact that cameras captured the incident and

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Speaker 3: But the best thing about it, honestly was how he

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Speaker 3: has responded ever since. One of the classiest in the game,

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Speaker 3: like the doing multiple interviews afterwards with multiple different media outlets,

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Speaker 3: going on radio on Monday morning is usual spot talking

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Speaker 3: about it pretty openly Tuesday morning. Brother, He's just fantastic

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Speaker 2: Jack Simon Goodwin's winging over how Ed Langdon was adjudicated

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Speaker 2: after hard time alfter halftime was sour grapes fair or

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Speaker 4: I think it was sour grapes because I think it

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Speaker 4: you spoke to Billy Frampton who said, yes, one of

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Speaker 4: the hardest tags he's seen in person. Yes, he did

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Speaker 4: Langdon made sure to let him to let Nick know

437
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 4: about it when he would have the odd stuff up.

438
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 4: But it's obviously hard to You can never actually fully

439
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,679
Speaker 4: quell his influence, but you can contain it, and I

440
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 4: think Langdon did it as good as he could have

441
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 4: possibly done.

442
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen Ed Langdon tag before, but

443
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm actually quite enjoying this approach from Simon Goodwin where

444
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 2: he's picking players from his team to play run with

445
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 2: slash tagging roles based on their strengths against specific opposition

446
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 2: players at the moment. So he saw there a different

447
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 2: guy Oliver go to Newcombe at Hawthorne a few weeks ago.

448
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: We saw Langdon go to Deskos because he's a bit

449
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: more of that running player as well. And Jack Viney

450
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 2: and Trent Rivers have also done run with jobs. Sparrow

451
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 2: has done a job in the past. I'm not sure

452
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 2: in this sort of specific four or five week block

453
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 2: when Melbourne have gone on a bit of a run.

454
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 2: But it's different from Simon Goodwin that he's just turning

455
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: to a tager but only for maybe one game this season.

456
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: He is arguably since round six, the coach of the year.

457
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: It's fair statement.

458
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,479
Speaker 3: Like the way that the Melbourne has turned around at

459
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 3: season and those sorts of moves, the unique options that

460
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 3: they've found, it's really impressive. I just like that we've

461
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: finally come to a point where we're saying Collinwood deserves

462
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: more free kicks, because no one's complained about that all year,

463
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 3: have they?

464
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: That they get a few max if Geelong can fit

465
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 2: another two star players in their salary cap. Fans have

466
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: every right to be skeptical, fair or fast.

467
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Speaker 3: This is this was it. I mean, it was spoken

468
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: on TV, so it's not clickbait, but it was the

469
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 3: most baity comment humanly possible to make. Even though I

470
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 3: do not doubt the veracity of the report.

471
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Speaker 2: Mitch Cleary quoted Steve Hawking from a coterie pregame function.

472
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Speaker 3: Well, and we know that club figures have no reason

473
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 3: to exaggerate to the coterie, do they?

474
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 2: And Chris Scott. Chris Scott was on soon after the

475
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 2: report aired and certainly did not deny it.

476
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Speaker 3: There's a realistic scenario where he is talking about over

477
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 3: the next few years Delong's will have some cap space

478
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: opening up because of Dangerfield and duncan gu through the

479
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 3: likes camera in the club. Yes, hopefully Cameron's got more

480
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 3: than two or three years left, but you know at

481
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Speaker 3: some point so maybe in that context that would open

482
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 3: up some space. But also you can always do funny

483
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: things to the salary cap, and you can always move

484
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: salaries around and stuff.

485
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Speaker 2: But Chris Scott said, in this competition where they try

486
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: to equalize a much as possible, it can be a

487
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: real competitive advantage if you can use your salary cap wisely.

488
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Speaker 3: And Geelong has clearly done so in numerous ways. There

489
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 3: are questions over said things that I don't think they've

490
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 3: been sanctioned other than what appear to be some looming

491
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 3: fines over things not being disclosed. Yep. So like AfOR

492
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 3: W player getting a car, so you know, normal stuff.

493
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: Every club has this sort of stuff. Gelong just gets

494
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 3: a lot more attention because of the appearance of abnormalities,

495
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 3: let's say, because you know, it's like the sleepy hollow

496
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 3: perception of people not actually investigating the club. I think

497
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: people look into the minnow.

498
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Cats and big name players, Jack Bailey

499
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: Smith really didn't need to host Andrew Dillon at his abode.

500
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Speaker 2: Fair or fast.

501
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Speaker 4: I think that's fair. I don't know. I don't have

502
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 4: a massive opinion on this, but did he offer?

503
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: Is that what I texted him a deal? Come over?

504
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: What a chat?

505
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was, he would have directly texting,

506
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: But it does sound like Bailey's played a bit of

507
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: a role in initiating.

508
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 4: Being willing to be transparent. It can't be a bad thing.

509
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 4: And I mean he could have met it the club

510
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: or maybe AFL HQ. But he's He's got a nice

511
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 4: property out there wed Hope, so it's a nice acreage.

512
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: From what I recall, Max Southwest Western Australia just put

513
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: in a compelling case for the twentieth AFL license, fair

514
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: or fast.

515
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 3: I think if anything, West Coast North would have made

516
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 3: them withdraw from contention.

517
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm talking more about hands Over Ah.

518
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: What a odd name. I'm sure it's named after a person.

519
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it is.

520
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's a great option for the twentieth team,

521
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: and I've long thought that w A should host the

522
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: twentieth team. The problem is WA doesn't want the twentieth team.

523
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: The WAFC doesn't want the twentieth team because they run

524
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: West Coast and Fremantle and love the sort of duopola

525
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: that they have over the state and the strong financial

526
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: situation they're in. So I think that would be a

527
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: major problem to overcome. But in terms of actual realistic options,

528
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: Camera's off the table because the AFOL doesn't want to

529
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: cannibalize the Giants zone. It wants to give them Western

530
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: Sydney and Canbra, So you can't put a team in Cambra,

531
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: which would be the best option otherwise.

532
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: So I immediately think then of Nord.

533
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: I think the problem is that putting a third team

534
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: in Essay is like putting a third team in WA,

535
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: but every element is worse other than the history of normal.

536
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: I was about to say, though, it's because it sounds

537
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: like in if you're putting a team in southwest Western Australia,

538
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: it feels like it might have to be a new

539
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: ish team. I don't know if you're a team coming,

540
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: but nor would would be an established covers a bit

541
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 2: like to the Dolphins, though they're not the Redcliffe Dolphins.

542
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of Redcliffe vibe.

543
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only benefit it would have is the fact

544
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: that it has the established brand and established fan base

545
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But otherwise Adelaide does not have

546
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: as much money as much population like they have Adelaide Over.

547
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: You're going to play some great games, but it's still

548
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: a smaller area. Whether you're putting the third team in

549
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: Perth itself or you're giving it that actual location of

550
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: the Southwest, which I think Bunbury is what two hours say,

551
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: it's a fair drive yet so it's not right nearby,

552
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: so it is actually a different location which differentiates the

553
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: team itself. That gives it a location. You still play

554
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: the Derby's or the Derby's in Adoptus and they play

555
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: their other games at hands Over if you read it

556
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: a lot of that or something else, whatever's realistic. I

557
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: don't know. I think that's still the best option because

558
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: there's just so much money there. There's clearly an inbuilt

559
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: massive audience for footy that you can continue to build on.

560
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: I mean, given the waiting lists and things like that

561
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 3: they have for tickets there, it just makes all the

562
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: sense in the world.

563
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Nice part of the world, Bumbrey, good place to watch

564
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: the sunset because it's right on the yes right western

565
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: coast of so I have been there before, and it

566
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: is a longer drive from Perth to Bumbrey than it

567
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: needs to drive from Melbourne CBD to Geelong.

568
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: But that's okay, and it's a growing also part of

569
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: the state.

570
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: I believe Jack scrap Opening Round and bring in Northern Round,

571
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 2: fair or fast.

572
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 4: I go fair. I'm tended to say fast, but I

573
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: think it's fair. I think that the concept that Brownie

574
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: raised makes heaps of sense.

575
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: On the couch from Monday night, I believe.

576
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So scrap Opening Around and instead at maybe

577
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: like around fifteen or sixteen round a band.

578
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: Almost now is time for holiday school holidays, term two

579
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: school holidays.

580
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: Basically, and you can still have those those games hosted

581
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: by those four Northern clubs at this point of the

582
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 4: year without I guess, compromising the way the latter looks

583
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: in the opening portion of the season and upsetting whoever.

584
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 4: Because the good point he raised was in comparison to

585
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 4: Las Vegas and the NRL is that was he called

586
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: it unifying, whereas whereas Opening Around has sort of device horizes. Yeah,

587
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 4: it's been a divisive sort of like I personally liked it,

588
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 4: like I don't really have an issue with it. I mean,

589
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: it's makes that latter a bit hard to read.

590
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: But you know, surely it's annoying for fantasy as well,

591
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: or you just not play it. I don't know how

592
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: it works.

593
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 4: Fantasy is annoying enough on sign they're worrying about we're

594
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 4: worrying about round. But yeah, like I could also, but

595
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: like doing it at this point in the year I

596
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: think makes plenty of sense too, because over two weeks

597
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: makes it. I mean, like five weeks is a drag.

598
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: I think that was the other point was that the

599
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: buys I just stretched out way too long at this

600
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: point over five weeks this season.

601
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: You can see why because I want to have a

602
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: minimum seven games one of the five weeks, so you're

603
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: not missing much footy, which I also can appreciate, and

604
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: like I'm not complaining either, but yeah, if you can

605
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: get it over and done with within a fortnight and

606
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: you can still have that like Northern States Celebration sort

607
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: of time period and you can get fans up and

608
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 4: about in that part of the country at that at

609
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: this time of the year, then it's a positive.

610
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: Whether I think is normally better if you channel you're

611
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: in a rob Jail.

612
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: There well because comparative to Melbourne, the weather would better,

613
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: which is the important thing for the people who they

614
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: want to get flying up to Queensland. Like Collegood wants

615
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: to sell all its home games to the Gold Coast

616
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: anyway around that time of year, so they always seem

617
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: to play them up there. I think they do on

618
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: a Friday night this year it's Friday. The other point

619
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: on that, the idea that the buys make the season

620
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: drag and we lose the momentum in the season. I

621
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: feel like that would happen anyway. No one's going to

622
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: pay full incredible attention to footy for twenty five weeks.

623
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: It's just unrealistic. So there's always going to be a

624
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: middle dip and then it peaks back up once we

625
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: get closer to the finals.

626
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: So just because we're so accustomed to like a nine

627
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: game round and then once you take a couple of

628
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: games out, that's the sense of losing momentum.

629
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: Does a second Saturday night game really make things that

630
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: more exciting? Is it doing that? Much? Like I understand

631
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: you'll have a few fan bases who dip out for

632
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: a week or two when the teams have a buy,

633
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: but I really don't think. I think that's just a

634
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: natural thing in the dead of winter anyway, that we're

635
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: going to lose a little bit more interest.

636
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: Max Fixing the MRO matrix must be Greg Swan's top priority,

637
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: fair or fast.

638
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't looked at every priority, but it's certainly

639
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: up there. Wouldn't it be definitely fair? There's there's so

640
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: much you can do to make changes that I think

641
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: a lot of people agree with. There's this perception now

642
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: as well that they're making purely outcome based decisions. I

643
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: think a lot of it is about communication, explaining what

644
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: they're doing, explaining why they're doing it. I know Michael

645
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: Christian does do some radio interviews, usually with Jared Yes,

646
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: but getting out there and explaining what the process is

647
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: would help a little bit in terms of people internalizing

648
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: what the MRO is doing, the narratives that get pushed

649
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: out there. But also just changing it so that there

650
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: are more buttons and switches to pull, hull and push

651
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: and whatever would be really nice because we know that

652
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: Paulka is getting three weeks is going to keep getting

653
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: brought up. It had to be zero or three, and

654
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: we want to have somewhere in the middle that would

655
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Speaker 3: be nice, and changing the rules in some way would

656
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: allow them to do that, although, as I've said before,

657
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: you're just making more gray area so people will complain

658
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: it no matter.

659
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: This has also come about because of the Tom Stewart

660
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: bump on Noah Anderson. If it's a centimeters either side,

661
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: that we're looking at a completely different case here.

662
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: So Jack and I were talking about this on the weekend.

663
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: I believe it was in talking points on the Philosophy website. Yes,

664
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: the problem with this incident is that he didn't do

665
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: anything wrong, and that you felt like he should have

666
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: done something wrong with what he did. It felt because

667
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: it was so close to being such a devastating injury

668
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: slash suspension for a player who has formed in this

669
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: area too. Let's not forget that against Richmond. So was

670
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: that Pristia he hit? Yeah, never Figet of course.

671
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: So fair to say Jack Reebell when we were discussing

672
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: this on Saturday, well, it was quick to remind us

673
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: of the plant. I'd the same question, who did he hit?

674
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: And Jack very quickly deal Presty good Man oil man.

675
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: So it felt like you should have done something wrong.

676
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: The problem is that you can't write the.

677
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: Rules to make that exact thing that he did illegal,

678
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: but you just you need to disincentivize it as much

679
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: as possible. Theoretically, having already copped a massive suspension for

680
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: doing a very similar thing, would disincentivize him from trying

681
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: to bump someone near the ball, but a little bit

682
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: off it. I don't know. It's a very want to

683
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: actually monitor.

684
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: Isn't it that incident itself? I can't remember an incident

685
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: where something so different could have happened despite the fact

686
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: that it was a fair hit. The initial hit is fair.

687
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: If the whiplash effective Anderson's head hitting the ground results

688
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: in a concussion, is Stuart then liable for a three

689
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 4: week ban?

690
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: I think it all comes back to is the act

691
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: itself a reportable incident?

692
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: So that's what That was my point that we were

693
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: discussing this.

694
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: We competed it to Meek.

695
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: Yes, load Meet got off because he was still contesting

696
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: the ball, and even though he caused a concussion with

697
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: his action, he was still doing a non reportable.

698
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: And Stewart did look like he went past the ball.

699
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: Like the ball is in a proximity, but they are

700
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: not directly contesting the ball like Meek was, which I

701
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: think is different because obviously, like you said, Max, people

702
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: are talking about al chemo reaction. But we make that

703
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: incident is the precedent that you can have a concussion

704
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: happen as a result of a football accident, if you

705
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: want to call it that.

706
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: Which is good, which is what people have been asking

707
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: for several years now. So we've come to that point

708
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: where we have got that president Now, I feel like.

709
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: Because Stewart is not directing contesting the ball, if that hit,

710
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: despite it being fair, causes a concussion because of the

711
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: whiplash effect, then I tend to think he might have

712
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: copped a ban, which I just think is And the

713
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: thing that Key makes clear last Saturday is the fact

714
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: that we can't as observers of the game distinguished between

715
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: whether something black and white is going to be reported

716
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: or not. I think that is the biggest.

717
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: Issue because to see a clean bump, and it ultimately

718
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: was a clean bump, and then so to see a

719
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: clean bump like that is actually almost jarring these days.

720
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Can you think of the last clean hip and shoulder

721
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: between that one and maybe Sydney Stack on Jack Viney

722
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: in that Anzac Eve game a few years ago. I

723
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: can't think of a like a clean hip and shoulder

724
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: that was not that celebrated.

725
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: No, it's it did feel out of place, and I

726
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: think that's what made it more of a reaction, a

727
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: gutraw reaction.

728
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: Because what because normally these days the bumps go wrong. Yes,

729
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: more bumps that go there's way more bumps that go

730
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: wrong than than a perfectly done or.

731
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: We certainly paid more attention to them because they went wrong.

732
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: That's right, and Jack coss I pick it's likely call

733
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: to sign a twelve point five million dollar Demon's contract

734
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: extension is a wild trade script flip fair.

735
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: Or fast oh fair, one hundred percent fair if he

736
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: signs this, because I mean it really did. I mean

737
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 4: it was definitely trending in the direction of him leaving

738
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: at the end of this year.

739
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: Everyone in the no seemed to think he was going

740
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: to Freo.

741
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 4: And I just wonder whether Melbourne have just come to

742
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: the table with the money, because one point four a

743
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: year is an incredible amount, and I think it's really

744
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: interesting when you consider the fact that Nosiah could maybe

745
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: get one point two tops sort of thing. And it's

746
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 4: a different discussion around because there's such.

747
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: Different players I'd pay more for than Nasi Wang.

748
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: And I think that's an interesting discussion, like because you

749
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 4: like these center forward players that he talks about, but

750
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: then they also talk about these damaging halfbacks who sort

751
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 4: of do whatever they want underposed, but other reasons why

752
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: you get, you know, attacking chains from the back half.

753
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I just think it's really interesting. I think

754
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: one point for is a lot.

755
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: It is, but that is like changing money and convincing

756
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 3: money the Freemantle surely can't pay because.

757
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: I was going to say, do we think he was

758
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 4: going to get anywhere near that at Fremantle?

759
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: I think you'd be giving up what at least two

760
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: or three hundred thousand a year, which over a decade

761
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: is what two or three milion.

762
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: The Dogs have got a lot of guys on long

763
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: term contract extensions in the past couple of years as well.

764
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would that would have to play a role

765
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: in that. So that if it's if it's a money thing,

766
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: I mean we can accept that. It's funny how if

767
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: it was a money thing and he left everyone up

768
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: in arms, But if it's the money thing in these days,

769
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: it's like, oh good, loyalty.

770
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, just one. I hadn't put in Faro fast, but

771
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 2: I think probably worth discussing is we're talking about Nasaia

772
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: Wang and a Miller. Just then and now, there was

773
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 2: a report from Caroline Wilson on Monday night that the

774
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Taylor Walker incident that saw him cop a six game

775
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: ban in twenty twenty one for racially abusing a sample player,

776
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: Robbi Young, Robbie Young, is partially why Nasaiah won't entertain

777
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: going to the Adelaide Crows very very quickly. His manager

778
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: came out and denied it. Taylor Walker clear called his

779
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: manager to gain further understanding, which Walker then revealed on

780
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: radio on Tuesday morning, and then on Tuesday night it's

781
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: a Walker called Wang Oh, call call, and either way

782
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: that the two have had a conversation of direct conversation

783
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: to try and clear the air here. Caro still one

784
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: hundred percent stands by her story as well, accused the manager,

785
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: Ben Williams, of not knowing his client or not knowing,

786
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: not knowing his klin, not knowing truly what wangone Miller

787
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: thinks of that of this situation, it's a bizarre situation

788
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: where that a report that polarizes fans, turns fans against

789
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: the media, no doubt.

790
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: So.

791
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: I think Caroline Wilson has such a strong, long track

792
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: record that I am sure that there is some kernel

793
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: of truth to the broadness of her report, which was,

794
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: to be fair, the tweet that everyone saw simplified it.

795
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: The story that she gave was that one of the

796
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: reasons he doesn't want to go to the Crows, and

797
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone expected Wangana Miller to be picking

798
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: the Crows anyway. It seems like it's between Port Adelaide

799
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: and Kilda. He's got much stronger ties to Port. One

800
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: of the reasons was that during the gather Around special

801
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: that was on nine, Eddie Maguire talked to Text about

802
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: the racism incident and the framing of it came out

803
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: with him looking like the victim of Text being oh,

804
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: you went through this, even though it's something that he

805
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: actively did. And it is entirely realistic to me that

806
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: Wangane Miller I was talking to fellow indigenous men about

807
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: this and thought, geez, that's a bit rough, isn't it.

808
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: That's a bit that's not great. Don't agree with that.

809
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: That's a very realistic opinion. To have, because that's the

810
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: opinion I would have had while looking at that as well.

811
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would have had that. So,

812
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: if that conversation was had between Wangane Miller and other people,

813
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: and Caroline Wilson got wind of that, which it sounds

814
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 3: like the way that she would get that type of story,

815
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: that's realistic to me. Does it mean that it's the

816
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: reason he's not going to the Crows? No, does it

817
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: mean it's some reason that he has less interest in

818
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: going to the Crows? Entirely possible. But managers and players

819
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: coming out and denying a story also does not mean

820
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: it's not true that this is always The default position

821
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: is that someone said journalists report the story, it's denied

822
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: by a club, a player, a manager, whoever, and everyone says, oh,

823
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: the journalists must have been lying. Journalists, in not to

824
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: nine point n nine percent of chances circumstances, they're not lying.

825
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 3: They may have been given wrong information or been talking

826
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: to one person who had the wrong information and such

827
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 3: and such, but they don't lie. So there could also

828
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: be different circumstances, different views of incidents that make things

829
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: more complicated than this. It's just because of the glaring

830
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: nature of this report. It sounds so big and crazy

831
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: that everyone goes, well, it must be false.

832
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: And it prompted Ben Williams to get on the front foot,

833
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: and it prompted Taylor Walker to reach out to the

834
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: manager as well.

835
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: And to be fair with Ben Williams's statement that he

836
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: put out on Monday, I think sam had been reported

837
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: at first was that my client has not chosen the

838
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: Adelaide Crows. He has not rejected playing for the Adelaide

839
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: Crows because of the text Walker thing, which I read

840
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: as he's keeping Adelaide in the mix because it makes

841
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: his options broader. So it wasn't a I understand that

842
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: part of the story is also being denied, but that

843
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that there is not a kernel of truth

844
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: in there somewhere. Even if it was reported and made

845
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 3: into a bigger thing than it needed to be.

846
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: He's going to be and he's still very much in demanded.

847
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: The Crows have had a long term offer on the

848
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 2: table for a while, but our colleague Will Faulkner has

849
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: been pretty big on the relate on as you mentioned, MAXI,

850
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: the closeness that Wangone Miller has to put Adelaide in

851
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: terms of the ties there a couple of good mates.

852
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: His uncle is Gavin Wanganaan, who's a premiership player put

853
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: Adelaide but a legend of that club. As well the

854
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: fact that he still hasn't re signed it Sin Kilda

855
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: at this stage. I know that there has been some

856
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: players in recent years Jack that have have decided late

857
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: to resign with their club, but usually certainly more than

858
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the time you leave a decision this lake,

859
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: you're normally not staying at your initial club.

860
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think someone obviously Nasaiah's got connections and he

861
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: met with jas Bergoyn and Jason on Francis already in

862
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: his by week. I think it would be a you know,

863
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 4: obviously two straight years where the Saints have copped pre

864
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 4: devastating blows in terms of key players choosing to.

865
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: Go elsewhere battle going to the Hawks.

866
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 4: But I think it's also really telling that it's either

867
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: going to be you know, back home, or he's going

868
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 4: to stay at San Kilda. It won't be like he's

869
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: going to leave to go to another Victorian club. So

870
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: I think it's clearly clearly pull to stay at Saint Kilda.

871
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, if if I do. Guess right now, it

872
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 4: would seem like port Adelaide, But Adelaide in terms of

873
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: their direction is bloody tempting as well. I would think.

874
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: Is there a situation here where wagon a Miller leaves

875
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: Saint Kilda and sin Kilda doesn't get Tom to coning?

876
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: Certainly? Is certainly?

877
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: Is there a bit of a leaning towards Tom to

878
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: Coney staying at Carlton Now?

879
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: I think it's very hard to tell. Carlton's playing a

880
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: bit better. I guess maybe that helps, but he'd have

881
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: to give it quite a lot of money, like four

882
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: or five million to do it, which is a lot

883
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: of money to play for Carlton.

884
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Speaker 2: Yes, the Baggers. That is a long edition of Fair

885
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Speaker 2: or Fast And it's now time for this on the.

886
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Speaker 1: Fox Woody podcast. It's time to open up the mail bag.

887
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel tweet us every Monday

888
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: morning at Fox Footy mail Bag.

889
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: I think the problem is, so we did the mail

890
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: bag tweet last week, didn't do a show, and then

891
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: everyone's like, oh, well, maybe they won't be a show

892
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: this week. So only a few entries into the mail

893
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: bag this week.

894
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: And he left overs from last week that we can

895
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: you know.

896
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Speaker 3: I should have done that, but I didn't. That's right,

897
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: because I'm very responsible. So let's just read one question

898
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: from Ben not you, Ben right, who asks why do

899
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: the coaches never see an incident in which their player

900
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: is likely in trouble? I Eate Sam Durham, but have

901
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: seen every angle and analyzed it when they are not

902
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: I E. Stewart.

903
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair question, to be honest.

904
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Speaker 3: You're not suggesting a level of citicism there are you Ben,

905
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: that coaches are saying how much they've seen to suit

906
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: their circumstance.

907
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: So coaches would be my hunt. I don't have a

908
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: lot of intimate detail and knowledge about this, but my

909
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: absolute hunchies and Jack can probably talk to it as well,

910
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: because he tens press conferences, like normally every club has

911
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: two to three men managers at every game, and that

912
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: those media managers would be monitoring what some of the

913
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 2: big talking points are at the time and what could

914
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: lead to questions at a press conference. And there's no

915
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: doubt but even if a coach does miss an incident,

916
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: that that would be at least briefed two coaches beforehand, surely,

917
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: So I just think they're trying to avoid giving maybe

918
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: avoid giving an opinion on it, but I think more

919
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: importantly giving an opinion that might get them into some

920
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: kind of trouble.

921
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because in the past, I think coaches, you know,

922
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: you might defend your player, but you might also be

923
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: attacking the matter review or the umpires for the decision

924
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: in the first place, and that can get you into trouble.

925
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: So that's something that's best avoided. That's why most of

926
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: the time they do say I haven't seen it, because

927
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: that's basically them saying no comment. Isn't it?

928
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah it is. And one of the funny things that

929
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: happened out of the Hawthorne Bulldogs game was the Jack

930
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: Genevan sort of want thing. It's the ball, And I

931
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 4: think part of his whole thing is that I asked

932
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: Mitchell after after the game and he said he didn't

933
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Speaker 4: see it, like jokingly, right, as if to joke on

934
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Speaker 4: the fact that coaches always say, oh, I haven't seen

935
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Speaker 4: it sort of thing like, and then he laughs because

936
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Speaker 4: then everyone lasts because obviously has seen it. And then

937
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: someone running as Hill fall up later and he didn't

938
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Speaker 4: want to answer, was just like nah, Like he's like,

939
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Speaker 4: do you want to answer?

940
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Speaker 2: It no.

941
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 4: So obviously these coaches, when their players and the wrong

942
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: don't really want to give much of a much of

943
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: an answer and opinion, which I can completely understand, and

944
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 4: they did. They one hundred percent get briefed.

945
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: They're playing the game, they're playing the media. They know

946
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: what they're doing.

947
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 4: I mean you see the media managers in the in

948
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 4: the actual press box, and then you know they're listening

949
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: to the radio, they're watching you know, the KO feed

950
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 4: or whatever, and they hear all the commentary.

951
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: So I've seen them making notes what quarter one, quarter, two, quarter,

952
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: three quarters four, potential talking points.

953
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 3: Doing their job. Thanks Ben, Thanks for everyone who wrote

954
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: in this week. My dad also sent in a photo

955
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 3: of me as a child wearing a Fox Footy channel hat,

956
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 3: but it got automatically hidden by the Fox Footy account,

957
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: which automatically hides tweets brutal, so that a cute photo

958
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: of me. I was ten, I was in Fiji. It

959
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: was a nice holiday from memory if you were wondering.

960
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: By the way, if you do tweet it and get

961
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: hidden as a reply by the Fox Footy account, it

962
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: was a bot. It's not us. We know it's over

963
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: active and does probably more than it should. But it's

964
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: one of the necessary evils of social media, because that

965
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: itself is unfortunately a necessary evil.

966
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: Now Kevin's back.

967
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: Cheety. He has a lot of things to say. Does

968
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: Kevin and I think, in honor of a big break

969
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: between our last stint of sheety wisdom, we deserve a

970
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: big dose dose Kevin Sheedy, who of course wrote the

971
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: book Pockets of Greatness with Tom Pryor in the year

972
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, and then I read it out on

973
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: this podcast for comedic value. Kevin says, last Christmas, I

974
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: sat down and read about the Persians. The Christmas before that,

975
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: it was about the Greeks. I like to read a

976
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: book of history when I have the time. It clears

977
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: the mind and it gives you a feel. I realized

978
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: that often I'm only showing one person's opinions, but it

979
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: still gives you a fear. Look at the map of

980
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: the world today and there's no Persia. It's not there.

981
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: It's not a country anymore. What happened? Sure, it's an

982
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: approximately the same place on the map as Iran, But

983
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: what happened? I don't know where? Can I find out?

984
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: What's the bedding? Where called Australasia one day. Some people

985
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 3: may say you're daydreaming, but it gives you a system

986
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: basis for thought. That's how they brought in the House

987
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: of Lords and the aristocracy in England. It's probably the

988
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: reason that we have mayors another local government officials today.

989
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 3: Somebody powerful dream them originally, and we'll have them until

990
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: someone dreams up something better. I wonder how Princess die

991
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: and Prince Charles would have gone in Henry the eighth time.

992
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: Didn't he jump off.

993
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: A few heads. It's brilliant when you when you said,

994
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: when you look at the world today or the map

995
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: of the world today. I thought he was going to

996
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: say something very controversial.

997
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: I make sure to avoid anything particularly controversial go.

998
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: Down that path as well. Oh good to know that

999
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: Kevin back in nineteen ninety six was had a time

1000
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: for DNM and his own thoughts with some history books.

1001
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you could look up what happened to Persia.

1002
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure there are.

1003
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: Some books, maybe ninety six.

1004
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: It would they had books in nineteen ninety six, as

1005
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 3: shown by the book.

1006
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 4: Like you said, he only reads one person's opinions, got

1007
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: a different points, but the tangency goes off on like

1008
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: from to thing.

1009
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: At the best part of it, that was all. That

1010
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: was all just in a row. No, I didn't edit

1011
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: that at all. Just consistent, just like a continuous, just

1012
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame legend. That's what he is.

1013
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: Were you were you born in ninety ninety six, Jack, No, No,

1014
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: No good afternoon or evening or morning to Why would

1015
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: you want it to just making me feel old? What

1016
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: do you do, Max, I'm in the same ballpark as.

1017
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: You want to. You want to feel old because he

1018
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: picket when that contract ends, if he signs it, I'll

1019
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: be forty two.

1020
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: Didn't she didn't you point out that it was after that.

1021
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: It's going to be two years after the Brisbanel I know.

1022
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: That stadium will have been used actually built for a start.

1023
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 4: God too soon, Sint kild On.

1024
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: The Bulldogs kick off this round for the Shane Burst Cup.

1025
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: So as I said, I think there are five pretty

1026
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: comfortable tips this round and two tricky ones. This is

1027
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: one of the comfortable ones. I'll be tipping the.

1028
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: Bulldogs all the Bulldogs.

1029
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: I mean, they did beat them by a million points

1030
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: eight weeks ago.

1031
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: They did.

1032
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: And Sam Darcy is back in time to face to

1033
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: them in the modest st kiled a thing possile. You

1034
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: think he's got a season ending injury. No, he's back

1035
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: to play.

1036
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: You again the Saints quote retweeted Zeta today, Who's Zeta

1037
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: confirming that Sam Darcy's back, and Celta said, of course

1038
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: he is. They know Jack who wins Dogs? Hawthorne and

1039
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: adelaide u test stadium Friday night games. Ricky Henderson Cup

1040
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: up for great.

1041
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: See this is proof the Devils don't need a new stadium.

1042
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: You can have Friday night games at you task in Lonceston,

1043
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: and I think this is one of the two tough ones.

1044
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: I'm leaning Hawks because of the home ground advantage, but

1045
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: that's the only reason.

1046
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the same. I just can't imagine them losing there.

1047
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: They bet the Giants there earlier this season in a

1048
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: pretty good game they and they were genuinely impressive against

1049
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: the Dogs. Like he said that that game was about more.

1050
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: The Dogs played poorly, but the Hawks really lifted their level,

1051
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: brought that pressure. If they do that again they should win.

1052
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 4: And think it's a bit of a turning point.

1053
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: Last week just going to look at your park here,

1054
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: how many Friday night games to see to be the

1055
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: very first Friday night game at York Park.

1056
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: But I bet it's also had like a probably a

1057
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: Tuesday afternoon game in COVID.

1058
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: I'd had a well, it's obviously back in twenty twenty

1059
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: two we had that random Anzac Day game between Hawthorne

1060
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: and Sydney that started at twelve thirty during the day.

1061
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: Of course, why wouldn't you It also hosted Did that

1062
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: hosts the final between the Dogs and the Bombers or

1063
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 3: was that in Hobart that was there was? Yeah, Giant

1064
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 3: Giants Swans also played a final there the Giants pipping.

1065
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: This one's from memory.

1066
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to have a look. I was just

1067
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: looking at the Hawthorne games. Certainly Hawthorne's first of a

1068
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: Friday night game at York Bark. I highly doubt there

1069
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 2: would have been a Friday night game at York Park.

1070
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: Besides that, to be fair, incredible fixturing. It is the

1071
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: best game of this weekend.

1072
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 4: And they've had their they've had their lighting issues in

1073
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: the past, so let's just get it.

1074
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: Didn't we have to move a game because it was

1075
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: going to be one of the lights wasn't working and

1076
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: we were worried about the power going out.

1077
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 2: And do vaguely remember that the lines and the Giants

1078
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: Jake Barrett Cup up for grabs here.

1079
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: Yes, Brisbane again. They just haven't been great at home

1080
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: this year.

1081
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: Giants beat did the Giants beat them the corresponding game

1082
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: last year?

1083
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 3: But that that was like they kicked like twelve goals

1084
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 3: two to seven goals sixty eight.

1085
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: Slick performance, stupid lines.

1086
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 4: But this is one of the games Jennibebis could pull out,

1087
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, and also one of the very rare

1088
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 4: early afternoon starts at the cover.

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00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I suppose you can't afford to do that in

1090
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: the middle of June, though, correct in March in Geelong?

1091
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: Is he still the country? Is he still the Country Game?

1092
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: I hope so, because that is my favorite fake game

1093
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: that no one believes in.

1094
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: Glen kill Patrick Cup up for grabs Also it's the

1095
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: country game. But also with Sandy Roberts used to call

1096
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: it farm Day.

1097
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: Actually Kevin Sheedy invented the country game. We should be

1098
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: more positive about it, we should. I went, that's one

1099
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 3: of the few games I've ever covered at the ground

1100
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: because I don't usually do that. It was a it

1101
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: was a farm day, Farm Day, I remember walking through

1102
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: Yarra Park hay Bales and like a tractor for kids

1103
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 3: to stand. Toby would have loved that.

1104
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: Would Yeah, he actually would have the excavators there will

1105
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: be there.

1106
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Geelong Essendon have a thirty three percent winning

1107
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: percentage at the MCG since twenty twenty.

1108
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: It's not great, no thanks Jack, will Thork and German.

1109
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: I think they have a lower percentage against Gelong.

1110
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: To be fair, I walked to.

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00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: Walk run North Melbourne and Fremantle North Melbourne home game

1112
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: at Opta Stadium, just Sinclear Cup up for grabs.

1113
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: This is already completely acceptable that they sold the two

1114
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: home games w A because they won one of them. Yes,

1115
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: they got over the line against West Coast. Just it

1116
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 3: means it's not a complete failure. They got their money,

1117
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 3: they got some points. They're gonna get pumped either way, surely.

1118
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good result. He for Freo to get the

1119
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: ruse in w A, but they get an opt the

1120
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: stadium rather than in Bunbury.

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00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: This is the month where they need to make their

1122
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: movie Dons and Saints and then Sydney Away, which is

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00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: winnable as well. They probably should have won it last year.

1124
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 3: I did win last year because of Logan McDonald missing

1125
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 3: after the siren.

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00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 4: They did so a winn ten and five at the bye.

1127
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 3: Yep, not bad.

1128
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: Port Adelaide and Melbourne dom Barry Cup.

1129
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: This is the other tough one. Jimmy Thompas surely.

1130
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: Jimmy Thomp's Jack Watts, Jack Tringove, Ben Newton. Rather fantastic

1131
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: contenders there.

1132
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: Just off the top of the dome, all of that.

1133
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: It's incredible research.

1134
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: In pleasant again, very tough tip. I'm going to go

1135
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: with the home team and Port Adelaide just because of

1136
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: the homegrown advantage.

1137
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 4: I say Melbourne very reasonable.

1138
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: They play pretty well in Adelaide, don't They had some

1139
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: good wins there.

1140
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: In Adelaide earlier this year gather Around they lost to Sorry,

1141
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: take that back year before they take that year before

1142
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: they went to gather Aroun, didn't they.

1143
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 4: They did the beat in this fixture last year or

1144
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 4: the year before.

1145
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: It sounds all right.

1146
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: The Eagles and the Blues finished the round. Callum Chambers

1147
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: Cup up for grab, Sam Petreski seating very stiff.

1148
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: Matt Owis can't play for your own cup.

1149
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: Don't be ridiculous, of course, you fool.

1150
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: Uh West Coast have shown some real signs over the

1151
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, like took it to Geelong for

1152
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: three quarters, should have thumped North for three quarters. They

1153
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: can figure out their fourths, they might be a good team.

1154
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: I think, what, Yeah, you're a big Andrew mcquarter fan.

1155
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: I think where pundits are starting to see the mcquarter

1156
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: system yep coming through went out during Adam Simpson's last year.

1157
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: I think punets we strugging the c A system. But

1158
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: it feels like in the past month it's starting to

1159
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: click for this young Eagle side.

1160
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 3: They'll get reads on the tip Carlton because they just

1161
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 3: have to win. Oh, I have to win, but it

1162
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: would be the most Carleton thing ever. Sunday Night game too,

1163
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: another Sunday Night, but no Bounce in between games this

1164
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: week it's a six to ten star no yes, disappointing

1165
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: for Bounce fans. All the kiddies left to stay up

1166
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: to nine. Enjoy that you enjoy that? I do. I

1167
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: love the Fox Footy program Bounce. And Andrew gays he

1168
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: reads the latter and then he says, ah, no no

1169
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: check chief, no check chief, nah Chief.

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00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: It's good jack who wins between West Coast and calors

1171
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: on Carlton Carlton Baggers need to win otherwise be top

1172
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 2: of the agenda on the Fox Footy podcast next week potentially.

1173
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,760
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