WEBVTT - The Trial: Nana and Papa

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<v Speaker 1>It's Mother's Day twenty twenty two and Gail Patterson messages

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter in law. They were the sort of messages

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<v Speaker 1>we all send on holidays, greetings and emojis and hugs

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<v Speaker 1>and kisses. Happy Mother's Day, erin make God bless you,

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<v Speaker 1>love Don and Gail.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Gail, Happy Mother's Day to the best mum in

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<v Speaker 2>law anyone could ask for. Kiss, kiss, hug, huck. Very

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<v Speaker 2>kind of you XO.

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<v Speaker 3>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>Though these messages were read to the jury in the

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<v Speaker 1>murder trial of Aaron Patterson, it gave the court another

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<v Speaker 1>insight into the relationship between her and the Patterson family.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brooke Greebert Craig and this is the Mushroom Court.

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<v Speaker 1>We've just reached the end of week five of Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson's trial, and as always I'm joined by a court reporter, Laura.

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<v Speaker 3>Plassella Day five of week five.

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<v Speaker 1>Today was a shorter than usual Friday in court, but

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<v Speaker 1>the jury really only heard evidence for thirty minutes today.

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<v Speaker 3>This is probably the shortest day of the trial so

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<v Speaker 3>far in terms of how much evidence the jury has heard.

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<v Speaker 3>They came in today at eleven thirty, Keeping in mind

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<v Speaker 3>that the court usually starts sitting at ten thirty. So

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<v Speaker 3>Justice Beeale apologized when they all took their seats in

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<v Speaker 3>the jury box, and he said there were still some

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<v Speaker 3>matters that needed to be sorted out in the background,

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<v Speaker 3>but he really empathized with them and said, you're probably

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<v Speaker 3>getting frustrated sitting in the jury room wondering when you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be brought into court. So you really thanked

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<v Speaker 3>them for their patients.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, Detective Leading Senior Constable Steping eppens Stall returned to

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<v Speaker 1>the stand. This was his fourth day of giving evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, and it was his second day of cross examination.

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<v Speaker 3>Defense Barrister Colin Mandy today brought Constable epping Stall to

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<v Speaker 3>signal messages which he obtained as part of his investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>And like you said at the top of the episode, Brook,

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<v Speaker 3>the messages were really speaking to the relationship in early

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two between Erin and her estranged husband's parents,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as the relationship that they had with Erin's children.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was for the first time today that

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<v Speaker 3>we actually found out that Erin's children referred to Gaale

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<v Speaker 3>and Don as Nanna and Papa. It has been a while, though,

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<v Speaker 3>since we've spoken about the Patterson family tree. So, just

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<v Speaker 3>as a reminder, Aaron and Simon permanently separated in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>but we've heard evidence in this case that they remained

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<v Speaker 3>friends until late twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's speak about the messages. You heard one at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the episode about Mother's Day in May

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. Here's another exchange from February that year.

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<v Speaker 1>These are their words, but not their voices.

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<v Speaker 4>We can pick more books if he wants. Also, if

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<v Speaker 4>he needs help in any subject I might have some

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<v Speaker 4>competence in, I'm happy to provide it, probably using jitsy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he would letely love a jitsy session for matts.

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<v Speaker 2>They're working through algebra, and he says it's one topic

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<v Speaker 2>that he finds a little tricky. So he actually mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>last night that he thought a Papa lesson on algebra

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<v Speaker 2>would really help him about now.

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<v Speaker 1>After the tutoring session, there was another exchange between Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>and Don.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the jitsy with him. He said it

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<v Speaker 2>was great and that you're really good at explaining Matt's Papa.

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<v Speaker 4>No worries he is a good student. A class full

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<v Speaker 4>of students by Kim would be fun and rewarding.

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<v Speaker 3>I will just add that Don was a retired school

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<v Speaker 3>teacher and if anyone's wondering, I did have to google

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<v Speaker 3>it myself today. But Jitsy is a video conferencing app

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<v Speaker 3>just like Zoom.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, let's move on. Mister Mandy also asked Constable epping

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<v Speaker 1>Stool about Aaron's phone records. The jury has previously heard

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<v Speaker 1>a SIM card ending an eight three five was taken

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<v Speaker 1>out of a tablet and placed into a phone dubbed

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<v Speaker 1>Phone B. And this all happened on August three, so

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<v Speaker 1>this was five days after the lunch on July twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the phone that Erin handed to police

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<v Speaker 3>on August five when they were executing a search warrant

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<v Speaker 3>at her home. Today, Constable epping Stall was asked some

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<v Speaker 3>questions about the records relating to Phone B. So these

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<v Speaker 3>records showed that the text messages were received on August four,

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<v Speaker 3>so a day after the scene was placed in from

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<v Speaker 3>apps including Australia Post Center, Link, MyGov, Telstra and even

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<v Speaker 3>News Corp Australia, the publisher of this podcast. Constable epping

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<v Speaker 3>Stall agreed with mister Mandy that these text messages were

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<v Speaker 3>consistent with a person changing their phone number and updating

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<v Speaker 3>the apps on their phone. Mister Mandy explained to the

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<v Speaker 3>court that when a person downloads an app, they may

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<v Speaker 3>be texted a security code from that app so they

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<v Speaker 3>can set up their account. Constable epping Stall told the

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<v Speaker 3>court if you he was setting up a new phone,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the type of thing I'd expect. And that was

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<v Speaker 3>all the evidence that Constable epping Stall gave today, but

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<v Speaker 3>he is expected to return to the stand next week

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<v Speaker 3>for further cross examination. I don't think we've used the

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<v Speaker 3>word informant in a few episodes, but that is the

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<v Speaker 3>title that Constable epping Stall has in this case, and

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<v Speaker 3>it pretty much means he's the lead investigator. He was

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<v Speaker 3>tasked with compiling the brief of evidence against erin, a

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<v Speaker 3>process that would have taken a number of months after

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<v Speaker 3>they first executed that search warrant on August five. He's

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<v Speaker 3>been sitting in court behind the prosecution team every single

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<v Speaker 3>day of this trial. So our listeners will remember that

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<v Speaker 3>in this case, Constable epping Stall has been asked about

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<v Speaker 3>everything from Erin's book toopia receipts to footage from a

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<v Speaker 3>Subway store to Erin's Woolworth's transaction history, so there's been

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<v Speaker 3>a whole range of topics.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much, Laura. That's all for today. We know

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<v Speaker 1>it was a shorter episode, but as we said, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a shorter day. Stay tuned for our subscriber only

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<v Speaker 1>episode with veteran crime reporter Anthony Dowsley that will be

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<v Speaker 1>dropping on Sunday. This is a Herald Sun production for

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<v Speaker 1>True Crime Australia. It's presented and reported by Brooke Greebert

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<v Speaker 1>Craig and Laura Plussella reporting and presenting for our weekend

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<v Speaker 1>subscriber only shows by Anthony Dowsley. Our executive producer is

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<v Speaker 1>Jordie Atkinson. The Mushroom Cook is produced, written and edited

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