WEBVTT - The truth about Trump's “border chaos” claims

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<v Speaker 1>From sports Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven am

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<v Speaker 1>in a ralli at Madison Square gard in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Just over a week from the election, Donald Trump took

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<v Speaker 1>to the stage with a vision for the first day

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<v Speaker 1>of his presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>On day one, I will launch the largest deportation program

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<v Speaker 2>in American history.

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<v Speaker 3>But he got the criminals out.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is promising to deport more than eleven million people

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<v Speaker 1>if he wins the election.

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<v Speaker 2>But the day I take the oath of office, the

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<v Speaker 2>migrant invasion of our country ends and the restoration of

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<v Speaker 2>our country begins.

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration has been one of the most pressing and divisive

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<v Speaker 1>issues of the race, with fears of bordered chaos and

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation about immigrants eating pets dominating. But the facts about

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<v Speaker 1>immigration tell a different story. Today, investigative reporter for Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Republica Marca Rosenberg on the Real Waves immigrations affecting America.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, October thirty. Your investigation starts in a town

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<v Speaker 1>called Whitewater, Wisconsin. Can you tell me about the town

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<v Speaker 1>and what happened there?

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<v Speaker 4>So this is a story that actually my colleagues at

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<v Speaker 4>Pro Publica poured out for months. They went to Whitewater, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 4>and found that there had been a big increase in

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<v Speaker 4>the number of Nicaraguan migrants arriving in the town in

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<v Speaker 4>the past couple of years. And this is a relatively

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<v Speaker 4>small town, sort of a college town, but a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the Nicaraguans were coming to work in factories there.

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<v Speaker 5>Since twenty twenty two, around eight hundred to one thousand

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<v Speaker 5>migrants from Central and South America have come to Whitewater, Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 4>The local police chief was really getting bogged down because

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of the new immigrants were driving without licenses,

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<v Speaker 4>and the small police department was overwhelmed with more traffic

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<v Speaker 4>stops and lack of Spanish speaking staff. And so in

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<v Speaker 4>late twenty twenty three, he actually wrote to President Biden

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<v Speaker 4>asking for some federal funds to help hire more people.

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<v Speaker 4>But the letter came to the attention of former President

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Not far from where we are today, in a small,

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<v Speaker 2>very beautiful town of fifteen thousand, Whitewater, do you know, Whitewater.

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<v Speaker 6>Kamala has flooded the town with an estimated two thousand

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<v Speaker 6>migrants from Venezuela and Niko. Robert diseases are spreading like wildfire.

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<v Speaker 6>The police say they cannot handle the surgeon crime. The

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<v Speaker 6>town's in big trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>And he promised voters that he would conduct the largest

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<v Speaker 4>deportation operation in American history. We have not.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no choice, but I have no choice.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not the intention of the chief to sort

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<v Speaker 4>of become the center of this national talking point, and

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<v Speaker 4>he really had just wanted to get a little more

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<v Speaker 4>more help to deal with the problems that he was

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<v Speaker 4>seeing on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the stories lot that every way across small town America?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that just an outlaw?

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<v Speaker 4>There have been cases, other cases like Whitewater. Another one

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<v Speaker 4>that spilled into the news was in Springfield, Ohio, was

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<v Speaker 4>a place where many Haitian migrants were arriving, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know they were working in factories there. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump also seized on that place in Springfield.

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<v Speaker 2>They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're

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<v Speaker 2>eating the cats.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, that's what we were hoping to do with

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<v Speaker 4>this reporting, is to look into many of these different places,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, not just Whitewater, but we have stories from Denver, Colorado,

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<v Speaker 4>which is another place that has been a flashpoint about migrants.

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<v Speaker 5>Less than twenty four hours, sixteen buses packed with migrants

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<v Speaker 5>arrived in Denver.

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<v Speaker 7>The city of Denver confirms nine bus loads arrived last night.

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<v Speaker 4>And from Del Rio, Texas, which is on the.

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<v Speaker 5>Border, and the number of migrants waiting under the bridge

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<v Speaker 5>there continues to rise. Del Real Mayor Bruto Lozato says

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<v Speaker 5>the tally stands at ten thy five hundred and three migrants,

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<v Speaker 5>many of them Haitian.

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<v Speaker 1>You think from Trump's rhetoric that America is in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of an unprecedented immigration crossis so how does the

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric match up to the data.

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<v Speaker 4>What we found is that there's definitely been, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>clearly a big spike in the number of people that

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<v Speaker 4>are coming to the US border in recent years, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's not exactly unprecedented, in part because in the past

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<v Speaker 4>there was a much larger number of people who were

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<v Speaker 4>sort of uncounted, unapprehended, and the majority of them were

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<v Speaker 4>coming from Mexico. But something that is distinct about what

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<v Speaker 4>is happening now is that with more Central Americans coming

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<v Speaker 4>and more recently people from South America and from either

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<v Speaker 4>even further afield, you know, sometimes as far away as China, India,

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<v Speaker 4>West Africa coming to the border, many of them don't

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<v Speaker 4>try to escape. People now are turning themselves in and

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<v Speaker 4>asking for asylum. And you know that, in combination with

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<v Speaker 4>a change in the demographics of people that are coming

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<v Speaker 4>from new countries that hadn't come before, has created a

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<v Speaker 4>really different dynamic around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break, Why more people than ever

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<v Speaker 1>are turning themselves in at the US border and the

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<v Speaker 1>political maelstream that's followed Marcott, you said that America is

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<v Speaker 1>not in the midst of an unprecedented immigration crisis. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just that more people are turning themselves into authorities rather

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<v Speaker 1>than trying to escape from them. Why is that so?

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<v Speaker 4>Starting as far back as in the Obama administration, there

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<v Speaker 4>was a trend of more children who were coming by

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<v Speaker 4>themselves or families. And under US law and international law,

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<v Speaker 4>there are certain protections that asylum seekers and children and

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<v Speaker 4>families can seek protection, and there's legal restrictions on how

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<v Speaker 4>long they can be detained, and you know how they

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<v Speaker 4>can't be returned to some place where they could face

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<v Speaker 4>persecution or danger. And so, you know, many of those people,

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<v Speaker 4>because there wasn't kind of space or appetite to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>detain children and families, ended up being released into the

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<v Speaker 4>United States, and so over time word got out that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you turn yourself you might be able

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<v Speaker 4>to be released into the United States.

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<v Speaker 8>The girls, like everyone here, are now just waiting to

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<v Speaker 8>turn themselves into border patrol. Virtually all will seek asylum

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<v Speaker 8>in the US, a legal protection that takes years to

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<v Speaker 8>formally determine.

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<v Speaker 4>And that process can get you into, you know, a

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<v Speaker 4>very backlogged court system where you can live in the

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<v Speaker 4>country while you're waiting for your case to be decided,

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<v Speaker 4>and in some cases you can you know, apply for

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<v Speaker 4>work permits, apply you know, for some benefits, and so

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, that's a phenomenon that has sort of

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<v Speaker 4>grown over the years. But you know that is something

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<v Speaker 4>that Trump has latched onto.

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<v Speaker 3>The United States will not be a migrants camp and

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<v Speaker 3>it will not be a refugee holding facility. Won't be

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<v Speaker 3>you look at what's happening in Europe, you look at

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening in other places. We can't allow that to

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<v Speaker 3>happen to the United States. Not on my watch.

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<v Speaker 4>When he took office after Obama, he said that this

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<v Speaker 4>asylum process, you know, they viewed it as a loophole,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, as migrants sort of taking advantage of the

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<v Speaker 4>system and did a lot to kind of crack down

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<v Speaker 4>on the process, which was you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>immigration advocates said that there were people who were facing

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<v Speaker 4>legitimate harm, you know, who suffered because of them.

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<v Speaker 9>A new directive by the Trump administration, zero tolerance, is

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<v Speaker 9>to prosecute all such migrants criminally, which means by law,

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<v Speaker 9>parents and children must be separated.

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<v Speaker 7>Tearing children from the arms of their mother and their

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<v Speaker 7>father is not the right decision.

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<v Speaker 9>It has got to stop.

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<v Speaker 7>La Some call the place Ursula after its street address.

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<v Speaker 7>Others label it in Spanish la pereira the dog kennel.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's now just ratcheting up some of that rhetoric

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<v Speaker 4>but calling out some of these you know, different communities.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has excited in making this an election a vandim

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<v Speaker 1>mcgration above almost anything else. So how has Harris responded

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<v Speaker 1>to that?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think one really surprising thing about this election

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<v Speaker 4>is how, you know, the Harris campaign has taken a

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<v Speaker 4>much harder stance on border security. Earlier this year they

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<v Speaker 4>put a more restrictive ban on seeking asylum at the

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<v Speaker 4>border and made it more difficult, and they said as

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<v Speaker 4>a result of that you know, illegal crossings have dropped,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, more people are being processed and quicker

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<v Speaker 4>through the system, and more people are being deported. The

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<v Speaker 4>Trump campaign has really tried to paint her, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with this label of borders are, which she and the

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<v Speaker 4>Biden administration says is a role she never actually had.

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<v Speaker 4>She was given a mandate to address the root causes

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<v Speaker 4>of migration from you know, a very specific reason in

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<v Speaker 4>Central America, and obviously that's a very difficult and long

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<v Speaker 4>term task and it's hard to see results from something

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<v Speaker 4>like that in a short term. And so it was

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<v Speaker 4>something that her allies say that she made progress on,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, it was kind of a difficult political

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<v Speaker 4>situation for her to be and so I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>from those early days she somewhat distanced herself from the issue,

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<v Speaker 4>and now on the campaign trail as she's running for president,

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<v Speaker 4>she's really focused on the border enforcement side of things,

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<v Speaker 4>as well as really trying to pin the blame on

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<v Speaker 4>Trump for not backing a bipartisan border deal that would

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<v Speaker 4>have addressed some of these issues. There's a lot more

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<v Speaker 4>nuanced and complexity in historical context around these issues that

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<v Speaker 4>don't really lend themselves to sound bites or campaign ads,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's kind of lest people who are in the

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<v Speaker 4>middle of these debates out of the conversation. And there's

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<v Speaker 4>a gap now between the rhetoric on the campaign trail

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<v Speaker 4>and how people are feeling about the issue, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you know the sort of real facts are on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for bringing data and new ones to

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<v Speaker 1>this discussion, micro and thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the US, Australia is calling on Israel to

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<v Speaker 1>abandon two bills that restrict operations of the UN Relief

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<v Speaker 1>Workers Agency for Palestine Refugees. Foreign Minister Penny Wong stated

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<v Speaker 1>the UNRWA does life safe and work and called on

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<v Speaker 1>Israel to comply with the ICJ order to provide humanitarian

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<v Speaker 1>assistance to Gaza. The new laws take effect in ninety days,

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<v Speaker 1>with the body's Commission General saying these bills were only

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<v Speaker 1>deep in the ciphering of Palestinians and the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>has dismissed questions about his relationship with former Quantus boss

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Joyce. A new book about the exclusive Quantus Chairman's

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<v Speaker 1>Lounge claims that while he was Transport Minister, Albaneze had

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<v Speaker 1>a direct line to Joyce which he used to score

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<v Speaker 1>flight upgrades. It alleges he received more than twenty upgrades

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<v Speaker 1>declared on his Register of interests, and upgrades for his

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<v Speaker 1>former wife that were not declared. In response, the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister said he has been completely transparent and the claim

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<v Speaker 1>was attempt to quote sell a book. I'm Daniel James.

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<v Speaker 1>This is seven am. We'll be back tomorrow